Althouse: At the Thursday Night Café…

March 9, 2023

At the Thursday Night Café…

… you can talk about whatever you want.

35 comments:

Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Matt Taibbi’s opening statement to a congressional committee looking into internet censorship; 3/9/23, 8:19 PM
Chuck said...: Whatever I want? Well okay then!

Here's the order of discipline from the Colorado Supreme Court, issuing a public censure to Trump attorney Jenna Ellis (Jenna Ellis Esq.!), for her misrepresentations in the course of representing Trump. STIPULATION TO DISCIPLINE PURSUANT TO C.R.C.P. 242.19.

Now this might not be any big deal normally; she's a lightweight (I had not realized until reading the Stipulation that she never actually appeared in court, anywhere, from Trump) and this is penny-ante stuff in the world of Trump legal depravity. But you gotta love the 10 bullet-pointed specifications of Ellis Esq's misrepresentations:

~ November 13, 2020: Respondent claimed that "Hillary Clinton still has not conceded the 2016 election."

~ November 20, 2020: Respondent appeared on Mornings with Maria on Fox Business and stated: "We have affidavits from witnesses, we have voter intimidation, we have the ballots that were manipulated, we have all kinds of statistics that show that this was a coordinated effort in all of these states to transfer votes either from Trump to Biden, to manipulate the ballots, to count them in secret ... "

~ November 20, 2020: Respondent appeared on Spicer & Co. and stated: "with all those states [Nevada, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia] combined we know that the election was stolen from President Trump and we can prove that."

~ November 21, 2020: Respondent stated on Twitter under her handle @JennaEllisEsq.: "... SECOND, we will present testimonial and other evidence IN COURT to show how this election was STOLEN!"

~ November 23, 2020: Respondent appeared on The Ari Melber Show on MSNBC and stated: "The election was stolen and Trump won by a landslide."

~ November 30, 2020: Respondent appeared on Mornings with Maria on Fox Business and stated: "President Trump is right that there was widespread fraud in this election, we have at least six states that were corrupted, if not more, through their voting systems .... We know that President Trump won in a landslide." She also stated that "The outcome of this election is actually fraudulent it's wrong, and we understand than when we subtract all the illegal ballots, you can see that President Trump actually won in a landslide."

~ December 3, 2020: Respondent appeared on Mornings with Maria on Fox Business and stated: "The outcome of this election is actually fraudulent it's wrong, and we understand than when we subtract all the illegal ballots, you can see that President Trump actually won in a landslide."

~December 5, 2020: Respondent appeared on Justice with Judge Jeanine on Fox News and stated "We have over 500,000 votes [in Arizona] that were cast illegally ... "

~ December 15, 2020: Respondent appeared on Greg Kelly Reports on Newsmax and stated "The proper and true victor, which is Donald Trump ... "

~ December 22, 2020, Respondent stated on Twitter, through her handle @JennaEllisEsq, "I spent an hour with @DanCaplis for an in-depth discussion about President @realDonaldTrump's fight for election integrity, the overwhelming evidence proving this was stolen, and why fact-finding and truth-not politics-matters!"

I want to single out just one of these misrepresentations. November 23, 2020. Ellis Esq's appearance on Ari Melber's MSNBC program. Her appearance was such classic Trumpdom; she argued with Ari, talked over him, wouldn't stop talking, serving up such a blizzard of lies that no one could actually keep up. Here is that video. I warn you; you won't be able to take much more than about 90 seconds of it. I just wanted you to have the full MAGA flavor. You won't miss much if you tune out quickly.; 3/9/23, 8:31 PM
tdocer said...: Robert Blake has passed. I don't know if he was a murderer or not. Part of my youth, though.; 3/9/23, 8:43 PM
Old and slow said...: Chuck, you are being boring again...; 3/9/23, 8:57 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Chuck does not believe in freedom of speech.

Hillary said the election was stolen from her by Trump and Russia.; 3/9/23, 9:16 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Thanks Lem. Another reminder that free speech is under assault by the corrupt Chuck-Approved leftist Soviet Democrat corruption machine.; 3/9/23, 9:27 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Anyone watch Netflix - "Cunk on Earth" ?; 3/9/23, 9:28 PM
effinayright said...: Chuck, did you crow when Clinton was fined and disbarred?

A censure is small potatoes.; 3/9/23, 9:48 PM
madAsHell said...: Can anyone understand Egyptian 1000 thread count bed sheets??

My wife recently started complaining that her bedsheets were threadbare. She purchased Egyptian 1000 thread count bed sheets for herself, and the loofah bedsheets for me. That 1000 thread count bedsheet is marketing bullshit. The sheets felt thread-bare when they arrived. Women love to pay extra for less.

Loofah bedsheets??.......you know, they remove the dead skin while you sleep.; 3/9/23, 11:18 PM
Wince said...: Chuck, let us know when any state nationwide brings disciplinary action against another attorney on similar facts related to TV talk show comments on contested public policy issues that are not related to a judge or a case before the court. Her choice: litigate the issues against the state in a hostile jurisdiction or pay $224 in “costs”? Ellis should feel lucky, Chansley got 41 months in DC.

The parties [actually the state of Colorado as Complainant] could not locate published attorney discipline cases based on similar facts. Many cases involving attorneys sanctioned for public statements involve criticism of judges, like In re Green, 11 P.3d 1078, 1084-85 (Colo. 2000). See, e.g., In re Disciplinary Action Against MacDonald, No. A20-0473, 2021 WL 2672614 (Minn. June 30, 2021) (radio statement about a judge, along with other misconduct, warranted suspension); State ex rel. Couns. for Discipline ofNebraska Supreme Ct. v. Gast, 296 Neb. 687, 707-09, 896 N.W.2d 583, 597-98 (2017) (suspension for dishonest public statements and attempts to influence a judge); In re Disciplinary Proc. Against Riordan., 2012 WI 125, ,i 38, 345 Wis. 2d 42, 57-58, 824 N.W.2d 441, 449 (public censure for false statements against a judge in guardianship proceedings). Overall, Respondent's statements were not made to a tribunal, and a public censure counters the public nature ofthe statements themselves.; 3/10/23, 1:32 AM
Big Mike said...: Robert Blake has passed. I don't know if he was a murderer or not.

Not much chance that he didn’t.; 3/10/23, 2:57 AM
Humperdink said...: Just saw President Bidet state the R's want to defund the police. Why would he utter what Commie-Pinko libs have been screaming since Saint George Floyde died? Why would the media MSM give him a complete pass on this absolute unequivocal lie? Rhetorical question.; 3/10/23, 4:34 AM
wendybar said...: Whatever you do, DON'T adopt little black babies, because they grow up to call you RACISTS and insist they had a problematic upbringing...This asshole is so disrespectful, I feel so bad for his white parents who gave him the chance to have the hate platform he has today.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/colin-kaepernick-accuses-white-adoptive-parents-problematic-upbringing-perpetuating-racism; 3/10/23, 4:46 AM
wendybar said...: "Because in 2016, the shoe was on the other foot. Coordinated groups of violent rioters injured numerous police officers in an attempt to disrupt President Donald Trump's inauguration. They smashed store windows, tore down bus stops, lit cars on fire, disrupted Trump supporters trying to get to the inauguration and threw rocks at police. Eventually, over 200 rioters were arrested. When prosecutors dropped the charges on all of them, many conservatives were rightly incensed. What happened to law and order?"

https://townhall.com/columnists/neilpatel/2023/03/10/the-truth-about-jan-6-n2620442; 3/10/23, 4:54 AM
mezzrow said...: 1) please put yesteday's Taibbi/Shellenberger/Weiss "threesome" excerpt on the tee. This is on the level of watching Guam slowly roll over and invert in the sea.
2) Philomena Cunk is my spirit animal. What a woman. What a worldview. She clearly has been instructing Rep. Garcia. They share a similar level of intellect, so there's that.; 3/10/23, 4:55 AM
Humperdink said...: Headline: "Colin Kaepernick Rips Into His White Adoptive Parents"

Commandment #4: "Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be prolonged on the land which the Lord your God gives you."

Kap made a rather large mistake here. For all the world to see. He needs to apologize and quickly.; 3/10/23, 5:11 AM
wendybar said...: " “Just straight, uncontrollable sobbing” from “holding it together for eight years” under the enormous, horrible, crushing burden of being the First Lady of the United States. Her story was one of struggle where living in the White House with staff to cater to her every need, traveling on her own ginormous government airplane to Japan and South Africa with her mother and her entourage, and enjoying eight years of wildly obvious throne sniffing media flattery as the Most Stylish First Lady Ever was just too much to bear."

https://amgreatness.com/2023/03/09/michelle-obama-is-not-coming-to-save-the-democrats/; 3/10/23, 5:29 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Speaking of free speech ... and the right to a free press. (chuck you wouldn't understand); 3/10/23, 5:46 AM
Humperdink said...: My Amish friends repeatedly travel to Mexico for health care. They travel from NW PA to New Mexico via train/ bus and then are met at the border by clinic representatives who drive them directly to the clinic. They have stayed up in Mexico for up to two weeks.; 3/10/23, 5:57 AM
lonejustice said...: Former Trump official Ken Cuccinelli has launched a super PAC backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

Cuccinelli was once a close aide to former President Donald Trump. He is now calling DeSantis the "strongest Republican" candidate the GOP has for 2024.

Ken Cuccinelli, was acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security from 2019 to 2021. He pushed hardline immigration policies under the Trump administration, and now has praised DeSantis for rolling out more restrictions on undocumented immigrants from Mexico.

Maybe "Trump's wall" will finally be built. But not by Trump.; 3/10/23, 7:06 AM
Jersey Fled said...: Chuck is having a bad week.; 3/10/23, 7:14 AM
Andrew said...: If there was ever any doubt that the Democrats are an anti-free speech party, those doubts are resolved. The way they treated Taibbi was reprehensible, but at least the masks are off. And they accuse Republicans of fascism?; 3/10/23, 7:23 AM
Iman said...: “Loofah bedsheets??.......you know, they remove the dead skin while you sleep.”

Try the Bill O’Reilly Collection…; 3/10/23, 7:40 AM
Wince said...: Think about the precedent set by the Colorado Supreme Court. The effect on free speech is way worse than the alleged underlying conduct by Ellis. State bar overseers are now some kind of supreme talk show moderators?

It's as if the state of Colorado is implicitly saying "don't worry, this case is only a one-off, because it's targeted against Trump."; 3/10/23, 7:52 AM
wendybar said...: "The gatekeepers who lie to the public about the most consequential events of our time — and who thus damage our nation, distort our history, and deprive half of our citizenry of their right to speak, champion and choose, without being tarred as would-be violent traitors - deserve our disgust.

I am sorry the nation was damaged by so much untruth issued by those with whom I identified at the time.

I am sorry my former “tribe” is angry at a journalist for engaging in —- journalism.

I am sorry I believed so much nonsense.

Though it is no doubt too little, too late —

Conservatives, Republicans, MAGA:

I am so sorry."

https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry; 3/10/23, 8:07 AM
rhhardin said...: Aksel Rykkvin you'll never see a more fondly enthralled woman.; 3/10/23, 8:38 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: The State of Colorado - run by the most radical extreme leftist Democrats - loves to spend its time harassing a cake baker.; 3/10/23, 8:43 AM
Chuck said...: Wince said...
Think about the precedent set by the Colorado Supreme Court. The effect on free speech is way worse than the alleged underlying conduct by Ellis. State bar overseers are now some kind of supreme talk show moderators?

It's as if the state of Colorado is implicitly saying "don't worry, this case is only a one-off, because it's targeted against Trump."

Emphasis added. You say that, like it's a bad thing.

Slightly more seriously; this was not simply public speech by the Respondent. It was speech in the course of representation, even though she had not appeared as litigation counsel.

And, it was speech that harmed a legal public interest; the public confidence in elections. So you inadvertently touched on the other half of what I found so interesting and newsworthy. Ellis Esq's speech was (1) false and misleading, BY HER OWN STIPULATION. And it was (2) also harmful to the public interest. AGAIN, per Ellis Esq's OWN STIPULATION.

If in the future another Colorado attorney (a) makes major, repeated public misrepresentations (b) in the course of professional representation of a client (c) which seriously injures the public interest or some other legal proceeding... then, hell yes that Colorado attorney can expect to get a bar grievance. That attorney will be afforded what Ellis Esq was afforded, but chose to decline. A full hearing, with her own counsel to represent her and the ability to cross-examine opposing witnesses and to present witnesses of her own ; a presumption of innocence with the burden of proof on the Complainant; and a standard of proof on the Complainant of "clear and convincing" evidence.

So, no; I'm not concerned at all about any chilling of free speech by Colorado lawyers.; 3/10/23, 10:07 AM
n.n said...: The State of Colorado - run by the most radical extreme leftist Democrats - loves to spend its time harassing a cake baker.

Tolerance is intolerable. You will be assimilated, take a knee, beg, "donate".; 3/10/23, 10:37 AM
DINKY DAU 45 said...: WHAT a trump lawyer lied? Rudy Kracken lady,Jenna, Barr,etc (MarA lOGO CREW) its a FOX thing and certainly not a revelation but FOX people wont hear it or about Dominion or other real news it's all conspiracy everyday.You have to live in a cave if you arent or refuse to be aware of this mess.; 3/10/23, 12:30 PM
Michael K said...: I wonder how much John Denver had to do with the migration of California leftists to Colorado and the ruining of it ?; 3/10/23, 12:54 PM
Wince said...: Wince said...supra
Chuck, let us know when any state nationwide brings disciplinary action against another attorney on similar facts related to TV talk show comments on contested public policy issues that are not related to a judge or a case before the court.

Beware those Colorado prosecutors and defense attorneys who lose a trial after proclaiming a defendant’s guilt or innocence in front of the press?

As a procedural matter, would that criminal trial verdict stand as res judicata in the disciplinary process?; 3/10/23, 2:57 PM
jameswhy said...: Chuck:
Burn that witch! Light that fire and listen to her scream!
Never mind due process … to hell with the dunking stool, or tossing her in yonder pond to see if it floats.
Nope. Pile up the faggots (real word, not a homophobic slur) and drop the torch.
Burn, baby, burn.

Go read The Crucible and see if anything sounds familiar.; 3/10/23, 4:36 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Chuckle-Cheez

Democrats' "Stolen" Election Claims | FLASHBACK; 3/10/23, 5:01 PM
Saint Croix said...: Wendybar at 8:07

wow

Naomi Wolf impresses me.

See also Our Bodies, Our Souls; 3/10/23, 5:20 PM