This is fake – I did *not* tweet out a link to The New York Times! pic.twitter.com/d6V6m5ATW2
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 31, 2022
He doesn't favor the NYT with a link, just a screen grab.
To read the actual NYT article, here: "Elon Musk, in a Tweet, Shares Link From Site Known to Publish False News/The tweet on Sunday, which was later deleted, posted an article that made baseless allegations about the attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband.".
First, I have a problem with the phrase "baseless allegations." You shouldn't add the word "baseless" to "allegations" unless you have determined that the allegations are based on nothing. Has the NYT done that? Or is it simply showing its bias?
On Saturday, Hillary Clinton, the former first lady and 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, posted a tweet assailing Republicans for spreading “hate and deranged conspiracy theories” that she said had emboldened the man who attacked Ms. Pelosi’s husband, Paul, inside the couple’s home in San Francisco early Friday.
Why not call that a "baseless allegation"? Hillary was only speculating about what motivated DePape. Musk was reacting to what she started:
In a reply to Mrs. Clinton’s tweet, Mr. Musk wrote, “There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye” and then shared a link to an article in the Santa Monica Observer.
The main thing Musk did there was ding Clinton for throwing out baseless speculation. He was emboldened — just kidding, he seems to have felt emboldened — to swing wildly because he was swinging back at her wild swing. She wielded the hammer of self-serving accusation and he grabbed it and demonstrated how badly you can hurt someone with it.
The article alleges that Mr. Pelosi was drunk and in a fight with a male prostitute.
Oh, my lord, now the vivid allegation is right there in the NYT. It was fit to print. Why?! Because Musk merely pointed at it in a tweet that was — as I read it — designed to tell Hillary Clinton to back off with the political propaganda.
Mr. Musk’s tweet was later deleted, and it was not immediately clear who had deleted it.
But this is a news story. Musk linked to something, then deleted it. I'm inclined to speculate that the reason the NYT is elevating this story is that the drunk-fight-with-a-male-prostitute story is not beyond the pale. It needs to be rendered toxic so no one will pass it around. Don't dare say it!
And that's not going to work. The NYT cannot control the narrative and its effort to control the narrative will embolden — just kidding, may embolden — the purveyors of the the drunk-fight-with-a-male-prostitute story.
A 2021 editorial in The Los Angeles Times about websites that “masquerade as legitimate local newspapers” noted that the Santa Monica Observer, “owned by onetime City Council candidate David Ganezer, is notorious for publishing false news.”
Notice that the Times does not directly impugn the Santa Monica Observer. It craftily relies on a quote from the L.A. Times. Is the quote itself fake news? Well, the Times is only technically on the hook if the L.A. Times didn't print those exact words.
Is the Santa Monica Observer "notorious for publishing false news"? It defends itself here. The L.A. Times accusation isn't "baseless" — it's based a report by an entity known as NewsGuard, which purports to rate newspapers according to how well they separate news from politics.
If NewsGuard rated the Santa Monica Observer poorly, that's supposed to be a reason why there's something wrong with Musk gesturing at it? But Musk's pointing at it was for the purpose of pushing back Hillary Clinton for jamming the Pelosi story into a Democratic Party political narrative!
By the way, in the NYT story itself, I see some evidence that would support the Santa Monica Observer narrative and not the Hillary Clinton narrative:
The police have said that Mr. Pelosi, 82, was attacked with a hammer inside his home by a man, David DePape, who had entered through the back door.
That does not say DePape broke in. Why would you write "had entered through the back door" rather than broke in through the back door? It suggests the man was allowed in. And "attacked with a hammer inside his home" places the man inside the home without addressing why he is there. We begin in medias res. What was going on? I suspect the NYT knows more than it's putting in writing. It's being cagey!
The police have said that when they arrived at the home, they found the two men wrestling for control of a hammer. The authorities have said that Mr. DePape, 42, would probably face several charges, including attempted homicide and assault with a deadly weapon.
So he hasn't been charged yet? Why not? And the charges you're picturing are attempted homicide and assault with a deadly weapon. Why not breaking and entering?
How did DePape get into the house? At least say it's unknown how he got into the house... unless it's not unknown. Something seems to be missing here.
The NYT story stirs up doubts, even as it demands that we see the drunk-fight-with-a-male-prostitute story as baseless. There's at least the report that both men were in their underpants! And that DePape allowed Mr. Pelosi to go into the bathroom by himself.
At one point, Mr. DePape is said to have shouted, “Where is Nancy? Where is Nancy?”
Why the passive voice there?! Who said DePape shouted, “Where is Nancy? Where is Nancy?” It's a convenient detail in support of the Hillary Clinton narrative, making the attack seem of-a-piece with the January 6th riot, so we need to know who said it was said, not simply that it was said to have been seen.
Great tweet by Elon Musk, deftly knocking Hillary Clinton's message askew.
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Baseless: We've heard the 911 call about men in their underwear at 2:30AM & saw the glass broken from the inside. There was a third unidentified person, but baseless, yes.
"Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving."
~David Burge, Iowahawkblog
The Russian collusion hoax crap was all lies paid for by Hillary Clinton, and the NYT got Pulitzers for spreading those lies.
I pointed out yesterday that it’d be almost impossible to crawl through the hole in the broken window, or reach through it to open the door. This is based on the picture originally taken by ABC 7.
Ann, you rock!!!
Don't forget someone else was at the house who opened the door for police.
NYT is only bias, there's no "showing it" as it is ever present.
It was a great swing at Hillary. Elon was rather feisty with a few big shots yesterday, and I hope he continues to fight the narrative.
Why would you write "had entered through the back door"
Double entendre [heh, heh]
At the moment, there is far more evidence supporting Musk's baseless conspiracy theories than there is The Times' mainstream reporting.
I will point out that it was 47 degrees in San Francisco that early morning. A question none of these "journalists" seems to have asked is "How did DePape get to the Pelosi house that night in his underwear?" Did he drive there? Did he take the bus? Did he take a taxi or an Uber?
As Althouse notes, the description of the entry is lacking in actual detail. When that is done in today's newspapers, it is almost always done because the details undercut the desired narrative being pushed.
I would watch to see what happens to the case. I strongly suspect one of two things happens- (1) DePape commits "suicide" while in custody or, (2) the charges are dropped in return for custody mental health treatment.
The police have said that Mr. Pelosi, 82, was attacked with a hammer inside his home by a man, David DePape, who had entered through the back door.
Fact check says this statement earns four Beavis and Butt-Head Heh heh. Huh huhs!
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Also: Just get on Twitter. It’s glorious…
It's funny how quickly Musk went from darling of the left to Nazi. It started when he wouldn't say he hated Trump. He didn't say he liked Trump or supported Trump, he just wouldn't say he hated him.
Then Musk came out against censorship and that was it.
It's on!
What was going on? I suspect the NYT knows more than it's putting in writing. It's being cagey!
I bet they have security camera footage too.
This is the power (or danger depending on your pov) of not having all of the major media companies in lock step support of the same agenda. If twitter talks about Hunter’s laptop or this story, it forces the other media companies to cover it too.
Whether it’s a top down conspiracy or a just a side effect of having nearly all journalists on the same side of the political isle, we have gotten to the point that all journalism is crafted through the lens of “how will this impact Democrats?”. I think that may start to change now.
If the NYT was serious, it would put Maggie Haberman and 4 other reporters on the Paul Pelosi story. Fly them all out to SF.
Give this story the attention it deserves. Give it the full Russia, Russia, Russia treatment.
Now they are claiming there WASN'T a third person who opened the door. Isn't it great to have the Intel agencies lie for you?? I don't believe anything they are spewing until I see the video tape, and we all know she has security tapes throughout her house. Until then, it was a gay orgy gone bad. PERIOD.
I can't get enough of the Paul Pelosi story. There is no way with the information (or lack thereof) provided to the public that any sort of real determination of what really happened can be made.
So the Pelosis and the authorities have a choice. Release ALL of the information (police reports, video, etc) to prove the current narrative, or keep the secrets and let everyone speculate that PP is gay, there were drugs involved, it wasn't really a "break-in", etc. etc.
Come clean or the rumor mill will be in full force.
Elon's sly sense of humor is refreshing as is the logical minded Althouse's take on this NYTimes article. Some news stories refer to a 3rd person opening the front door for the police when they knocked. Who the heck was that additional person?
Dave: Or the Augusta men-only coverage.
Who was in the car with Paul Pelosi when he crashed? Rumor is that is was a male prostitute.
Who was in the house with Paul Pelosi when he was assaulted? Rumor is that it was a male prostitute.
TRUMP'S CLIMATE OF FEAR is driving everyone to male prostitutes?
I predict that within 48 hours, anyone mentioning the prostitution angle will be labeled a homophobe.
Whe I read "...websites that “masquerade as legitimate local newspapers” noted that the Santa Monica Observer, “owned by onetime City Council candidate David Ganezer, is notorious for publishing false news...", I immediately recall who it was that broke the story about John Edwards' pregnant mistress...
(Spoiler alert, if you've forgotten --
The National Enquirer )
If someone broke INTO the house through the back door, why was the broken glass on the outside of the home, instead of inside where physics shows it would have fallen if the glass was struck from outside the home?
Here's my speculation . . . others get to assess the extent to which it is "baseless."
So Pelosi identifies "David" as his "friend" which, maybe, means that he's been there before.
David knows Pelosi. That he is married. That his wife's name is Nancy.
Not wanting Nancy to interrupt their activities, David wonders if Nancy is in the house, in Washington, or some other location . . . "Where's your wife? Where's Nancy?"
He's not "hunting" Nancy. Not looking to harm her. Rather, looking to avoid he and Paul being caught, as our host might say, in flagrante delicto.
On this Halloween I can only imagine the intensity of horror Twitter employees are experiencing knowing Elon’s tweets are coming from inside the house…
Releasing more information only feeds the story. The Pelosis will let it die, which it will soon enough.
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Big News: Ken Olin says he's leaving Twitter when Musk takes over.
Bigger News: Ken Olin is still alive.
The great thing about your career going bust is you will always be Thirtysomething in people's minds.
If you are remembered at all.
YEs!
I want to know *who* gave the press or the police details that Paul Pelosi went into the bathroom to get his phone. Was Paul Pelosi able to communicate when they brought him to the hospital? Was that what he said?
Why didn't he stay in the bathroom?
Yesterday, there was a report there were only 2 people in the house, according to someone familiar with the situation. Well, who would be familiar with the situation besides the cops and the only two people in the house?
Interesting that the accusation stated- of a 'drunk fight with a male prostitute'- was my first gut reaction on your original post of this 'event' a few days ago. It may not be what took place. And it may indicate that I've gone far over to some dark side to even think like this, but I've been trained to do so by the 'facts' that haven't been facts for years now. And why is there so much gathering around an 'official' narrative to this story, with very little of it answering the growing list of questions? The narrative seemed to take place almost immediately, and did not make any sense. None.
>Did the police actually break in?
>If not, who stopped to open the door for them?
>Why no security videos available to clear this all up- external or internal?
>Who gets to take a 'bathroom break' in the middle of an break-in and assault?
>Why was the perpetrator referred to as 'friend'?
>Why did the police go there on a wellness call and not an emergency- house broken into, man being assaulted- call?
>Why did the police just...kinda watch things and not jump in until Paul Pelosi's head got bashed in?
>Did Paul Pelosi's head actually get bashed in? Or is this a fluffing up of the actual story to take the eye off the ball?
I wouldn't ask these things in a normal break-in with assault. But these are the Pelosi's, this is San Francisco, and it's a week before the election. It just all smells.
Eli is not going to give anyone, particularly the Hillary Mouth, any more free space to just continue to nurture one narrative.
Paul,, Paul, Paul. You are drinking and enjoying San Francisco strangers in the night too much. The NYT has had to go into defcon 1 war mode to cover up for your fun. Name every Dem leader we know and none have half as much power in the rest of world as dirty Nancy. You gotta behave Paul.
Yes! As Wendybar says, now they are saying there wasn't a third person in the house who let them in the door.
So how did they get in? Was the front door unlocked? How did they get to the place in the house where the dispute was happening?
The security videos are being edited at a furious pace. Vodka Nancy hired the best editors on the planet. The editors had been kept busy on the Jan 6 committee which is now winding down.
"Until then, it was a gay orgy gone bad. PERIOD."
Why don't you just hit him in the head with a hammer?
If the “facts” presented don’t make sense keep digging. Back in the day crusty old editors would say things like “if you hear your momma says she loves you then you better confirm it with sources.” Now they just say “find a social media post that tells the story.”
Feeling Thankful for Elon today…! And for this Althouse blog for illuminating all the slime in the current storyline…
The Streisand Effect is in play, just I had foreseen. By the NYT no less OMG.
Yesterday I said: The funny thing is the deletion of an Elon tweet will/might propel the story further than if it had been left untouched, because it might get picked up by people who assume a deletion by Musk is some sort of an admission/malfeasance. When all it does is allow for the possibility of more people, who might not be tuned to this stuff the way we are, to learn that there's more to the Paul Pelosi story that the media is keeping from the public.
Sound familiar? It's the Hunter Biden laptop dejabu all over again.
And if it is the case that Paul Pelosi sues Elon Musk... I look forward to that pesky thing called discovery."
10/30/22, 1:23 PM
Now I see the Washington Post chimed in last night, just over an hour after the NYT first sept in it.
WaPo: "Elon Musk deleted a tweet about Paul Pelosi. Here’s why that matters."
Elizabeth Dwoskin, Faiz Siddiqui - Yesterday 9:47 PM
Elite American publications making novice internet mistakes.
Wikipedia: The Streisand effect is a phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of increasing awareness of that information, often via the Internet. It is named after American singer and actress Barbra Streisand, whose attempt to suppress the California Coastal Records Project’s photograph of her cliff-top residence in Malibu, California, taken to document California coastal erosion, inadvertently drew greater attention to the photograph in 2003.
"The police have said that Mr. Pelosi, 82, was attacked with a hammer inside his home by a man, David DePape, who had entered through the back door."
How many times?
How does NewsGuard rate the NYT?
We now have a Domino effect of the Streisand Effect.
Rolling Stone Magazine: "Jimmy Kimmel Calls Elon Musk ‘Fully-Formed Piece of S–t’ After Spreading Paul Pelosi Conspiracy."
ROTFL
Doing deep dives into baseless speculation rumors innuendo conspiracy ideation etc is madness disguised as keeping up with current events.
You used to ask the question, Althouse: Are you helping?
I ask because your clientele are in a permanent state of pavlovian hyperdrool. Their toxic pathology is palpable. They are not the same people from 5-years ago. I think the experiment has developed sufficient data.
Why does The New York Times consider Elon Musk's tweet to be headline news?
Besides Musk, how many hundreds of thousands of people have tweeted about this incident?
These are people and organizations who are used to controlling narratives and who do it, literally, for a living. Facts don't matter, only narrative.
They do not react well when that control is taken from them. Anyone who controls your narrative becomes the enemy.
he’s a back door man
packs more truffa any man
ever seen oh yes
The 911 dispatch tape is already being sanitized for our protection. On MSNBC right now, they played a portion of the tape, but deliberately cut off this part:
"he does not know who the man is but said that his name is David and that he is a friend.”
The media has been given their marching orders regarding that call. Echoes of the Trayvon Martin debacle.
Gee the story was getting pretty interesting and then Nancy got back to SF and suddenly things changed. The cops “revise” their statements with no explanation how they changed from the mysterious third person opening the door when they knocked to “only two people were present,” but offered no bodycam footage to support the new detail. Then the local Fox station “was forced” to retract the detail about both men being in their underwear when cops arrived. Again, no proof of either assertion is provided. All we know for certain is lately when Nancy Pelosi is out of town Paul keeps finding trouble that involve mystery people whose presence is never explained, whose identity the cops (CHP, SFPD etc.) exhibit zero curiosity about even though Paul is ostensibly married to the most powerful woman on earth.
And we are supposed to accept these shitty poorly constructed cover stories? Why’s Paul keep ending up needing cops to rescue him and obscure what he’s up to?
onetime City Council candidate David Ganezer
Why is it significant that Ganezer is a "onetime City Council candidate"?
Why did The New York Times avoid mentioning that Paul Pelosi once invested in the Oakland Invaders of the United States Football League?
Isn't it also curious that the Depepe fella was also smeared by Rolling Stone - will every "he's a Trump Russia White Nationalist Tulsi supporting Jan 6th loser!"
Nice takedown by Ann.
Also awaiting the lawsuit by the Santa Monica Times with great anticipation.
Every house on that street has surveillance cameras. Seems like some enterprising NYT or Post journalist would knock on a few doors and see what they show. I wonder if the police are talking hard drives or just making copies of the surveillance video. You can bet that someone is working on collecting all of it.
"baseless allegations."
musk has now entered, The Trump Zone.
Soon musks' defense of 4th hand hearsay will be referred to as: "without evidence"
Correction: Santa Monica Observer
Ms. Althouse uses a (I believe) baseball metaphor, "swinging wildly," to describe the recent events in chez Pelosi.
Another apt metaphor is the "free play" in football, when the QB notes a defensive player offside and audibles a long pass play. The QB knows that if the pass is caught, he gets a long gain, but if it's dropped or even intercepted, he gets a do-over.
The completed pass here is that Mr. D actually is Paul P's gay lover, or drug supplier.
The dropped pass is that Mr D is a rando with mental health issues (this requires the "Where's Nancy" to be fiction).
The interception is that Mr D is the local Republican Party chairman. Just kidding, there is no local R party, and Elon does not throw interceptions. Even if he did, the more people talk and blog about Nancy and Paul, the better it is for America, and Elon gets the do-over.
Excellent post. We could all use some hard-nosed reporting here, and for the most part we are not getting it.
LATimes and NY Post all going with the "baseless allegations" line, too.
When I was a journalism student, passive voice was considered evil. Now it seems to be the default method of framing a quote.
Can we spend a minute to compare and contrast the news media's treatment of the Pelosi assault and the Steve Scalise shooting by a Bernie Bro and the Kavanaugh armed home invasion?
Funny how those both passed out of our collective consciousness almost immediately while Pelosi is some sort of political petard. We are just waiting to see who is hoist.
Can we spend a minute to compare and contrast the news media's treatment of the Pelosi assault and the Steve Scalise shooting by a Bernie Bro and the Kavanaugh armed home invasion?
Funny how those both passed out of our collective consciousness almost immediately while Pelosi is some sort of political petard. We are just waiting to see who is hoist.
If "false news" is the standard, then that would eliminate the New York Times as being quotable. Actually, it would eliminate ALL media sources that did not start yesterday, as they all get bamboozled from time to time, some more than others and some more enthusiastic about being fooled.
As for the "baseless" part, this is part and parcel of the mainstream media. One source will claim that such and such story is false without actually proving it false, then all the other media sources will quote that story to prove the story is discredited/debunked. It is like the xkcd cartoon when Wikipedia puts forth some nonsense, the false information gets used in a published article, and then the published article becomes the source to justify the Wikipedia article. It is the circle of BS.
And, as expected, the "facts" of the event keep changing. Whether the original reports were incorrect or whether the "facts" are being massaged for the desired narrative are unclear, but as usual the media jumped to conclusions that matched their narrative, the facts be damned. Just another reason to distrust the mainstream media.
I can't care about who did what to who but the Musk tweet was mocking hair trigger accusations by doing one from the other side. I doubt Musk cares either.
People can't read Musk like people can't read Trump. Think Don Rickles. Musk likes a joke which steps out of the soap opera governing both sides on everything. He's mocking soap opera.
BTW remember when the NYT called the Hunter Biden laptop story “fake news”?
Pot, meet kettle.
“I ask because your clientele are in a permanent state of pavlovian hyperdrool. Their toxic pathology is palpable. They are not the same people from 5-years ago. I think the experiment has developed sufficient data.”
Everybody is stirring the pot and and to people who are already deep in the stew.
he came in through pelosi’s back door
projected by some ibogaine
but now he sits in county lockup
and some claim he might be insane
didn't anybody tell him?
didn't anybody see?
Friday he’s the mad attacker
rawdoggin’ mister pelosi
They said he'd always been a MAGA
supporting donald trump they say
but lyin’ eyes all know the answer
bitten pillow paul pelosi’s *gay
*nttawwt
An actual African-American speaks! Take a knee, beg, good boy... Too soon?
NYT is known to publish false news at worst, and handmade tales generally.
It feels like the wheels are falling off the original story. For reals? Or does it just seem that way in my bubble? Or the story is really dissolving, but it won't reach those in the Times/Post bubble?
"rehajm said...
On this Halloween I can only imagine the intensity of horror Twitter employees are experiencing knowing Elon’s tweets are coming from inside the house…"
So good. And the Althouse amalysis.
[There ought to be a name for the reactions to Twitter v. Elon Musk. "Schadenfreude" covers a lot of the reaction but Elon Musk is clever and the cause of clever remarks in those we like and stupid remarks which we joyfully observe in those we don't. So it's a bit more than schadenfreude. The return of humor is in there. The death of DIE.]
Elon has zero fucks to give...
I skimmed the NYT recently when I was in NY and copies were laying around the hotel.
Everything was 'women' this, 'minorities' that...
Why do white people even read the paper?
They are only viewed as evil oppressors.
But I guess if you're a good liberal you can pretend they're not talking about you...
Posting a tweet, reconsidering, and then deleting it used to be a sign of decorum.
According to Kurt Schlichter Paul Pelosi has been bagged 3 times for DUI. The last time with a tyranny stripper named Juggsy McColl.
John stop fascism vote republican Henry
'I will point out that it was 47 degrees in San Francisco that early morning. A question none of these "journalists" seems to have asked is "How did DePape get to the Pelosi house that night in his underwear?" Did he drive there? Did he take the bus? Did he take a taxi or an Uber?'
Nancy's house is nowhere near the center of the city where the unwashed usually hang out.
And crazy people are kept away from her neighborhood filled with rich, mostly white people...
OK, OK, Schlichter did say it in his latest Kelly Turnbull novel.
So what if it's a novel. It could happen.
John stop fascism vote republican Henry
"As Old Joe Biden put it in his infamous September 1 red-and-black speech, “MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.” And now here, supposedly, is new confirmation of the fact, in the form of a nudist who, according to his longtime “life partner,” was a “progressive” and a strong supporter of Nancy Pelosi."
this is a Oct surprise.
"But the facts don’t ultimately even matter in this case. Thousands more people will read that Reuters report about “an internet user with the same name as the man arrested at the scene,” expressing “support for former President Donald Trump,” than will read this article or others that contain Gypsy Taub’s statements. The same media that gave us serious stories about a couple of hoaxers standing outside the Twitter headquarters with boxes, and that has hoaxed us for decades about all manner of other issues, now insists that a MAGA Republican attacked Paul Pelosi for political reasons. Millions of people will accept the myth and be confirmed in their conviction that Trump supporters are violent redneck yahoos who constitute a genuine threat to “our democracy.” "
Taub speaks.
Taub, a “nudist activist,” called San Francisco’s KGO and said: “Hello this is Gypsy Taub. I am the ex-life partner of David DePape and the mother of his children.” She was calling from the Californian Institution For Women in Corona, California; KGO explains that she was found guilty last year “on 20 counts, including the attempted abduction of a 14-year-old boy near his Berkeley high school.”
Taub of David DePape: “He is mentally ill. He has been mentally ill for a long time. He came back in very bad shape. He thought he was Jesus. He was constantly paranoid, thinking people were after him. And it took a good year or two to get back to, you know, being halfway normal.” If he ever did.
Tellingly, Taub added: “Well when I met him, he was only 20 years old, and he didn’t have any experience in politics, and he was very much in alignment with my views and I’ve always been very progressive. I absolutely admire Nancy Pelosi.” She didn’t say that he had changed his views over the years as they had children and kept house. Taub added: “I would like to express my deepest apology to Nancy Pelosi and her husband for the terrible tragic thing that happened.”
The report that DePape was in his underwear was incorrect.
Fox KTVU - CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story misstated what clothing the suspect was wearing when officers found him.
Why not call that a "baseless allegation"? Hillary was only speculating about what motivated DePape.
The basis for that allegation is what DePape posted on his blog. What is the basis for saying DePape is a male prostitute?
EXCLUSIVE: Former partner of accused Paul Pelosi attacker DePape reveals new details about suspect
The media is walking back much of their original reporting. Where did they get their original information from? And, are they getting their current information from the same people who gave them false information to begin with? It appears all the corporate media outlets are working to coalesce around a Pelosi-approved narrative and any original reporting is to be swept away and forgotten.
This is one of the most strangest stories of the year (and it has been a strange year). First, both men were in their underwear and a third-party let the police in. Now, neither were in their underwear (what were they wearing?) and there was no third party present (where was the usual security?).
Really enjoying the 'new' twitter. Elon Musk is having fun, and his tweets are gold.He not only owns it, he gets how to use twitter. And the left is going crazy, realizing that they no longer control twitter.
Twitter rumor that trump comes back today.
Haven't followed the Pelosi story-It is clear we won't ever know what happened, and the left wants to bury it as soon as possible.
As always, I enjoy the Althouse take on the story itself, and the way it is being presented.
Would you have posted my comment if I referred to him as a "Gentleman Caller"?
MAGA republicans are everywhere. Roaming the streets of San Francisco and Chicago.
Old Joe's 'beware of the Jews ... er he means MAGA!' Beware! of Oct surprises.
Obey hivemind... obey.
Old Joe recently said in front of the Red and Black Naziesque creep-out stage:
“MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.”
If they hadn't been in such a rush to try and use this story to attack Republicans it might have died quickly, like the drunk driving incident. They couldn't find a way to blame that story on Trump's supporters so they ignored it as much as possible and it faded away.
But instead, that story is now reanimated, and it leads one to think that Mr. Pelosi is battling some demons.
By injecting this story into the political narrative they now watch in horror as it transforms into something hideous that they can't control. They're trapped in their own web of deceit.
Happy Halloween.
Very nicely done. Thanks, Althouse. Great documentation - keeping a distributed record of all this is important.
Will we find out what this is all about before or after the facts are discovered regarding the leak of the Dobbs decision? The future Times and Post can rail at those who exhibit toxic partisanship in looking at these relatively unimportant topics in a world on the brink of nuclear annihilation. Things fall apart.
"She wielded the hammer of self-serving accusation and he grabbed it and demonstrated how badly you can hurt someone with it."
I see what you did there.
I ask because your clientele are in a permanent state of pavlovian hyperdrool. Their toxic pathology is palpable. They are not the same people from 5-years ago. I think the experiment has developed sufficient data.
Howard stamps his tiny little foot. "Stop this right now!"
A month ago Pelosi had a DUI, at 1130 PM (?), with an unidentified woman in the car. And now this. Why no attempts to research his apparently habitual late-night antics?
Amy Cain: But there isn't a B-3 bomber.
Conrad Brean: Where'd you go to school, kid? Wellesly?
Cain: Dartmouth.
Brean: Then show a little spunk. There Is no B-3 Bomber. General Scott, the best of your knowledge, is not in Seattle to talk with Boeing...
Winifred Ames: It won't hold, Connie, it won't prove out.
Brean: We don't need it to prove out. We've got less than two weeks till the election, so we just need to distract them.
Wag the dog
Pelosi didn't fuck a firefly girl but close
I'm very critical of any news story (sic) I read, but the Althouse cross-examination of this article takes it to another level.
This is great how the article can easily 'state' things that you actually assume (that is the objective), but can fall back and say that they never lied or miswrote anything.
Hey wood, out there in the cold
Getting lonely, getting old
Can you feel me?
Hey wood, standing all alone
Like a pooch without a bone
Can you feel me?
Hey wood, don'tcha help them to bury the light
Their lyin’ eyes will tell them what’s right
Exactly what Night Owl said. THEY did this to themselves. Stew in it Nancy.
The contents of the NYT story have emboldened -- sorry, appear to have emboldened -- Althouse to level baseless allegations of "fake news" against the venerable NYT.
I would agree with Howard if it were not for the way Democrats are using the media to try to make the story about politics and to gain some advantage by attempting to reenforce their baseless narrative about righ-wing violence.
Althouse writes:
"That does not say DePape broke in. Why would you write "had entered through the back door" rather than broke in through the back door? It suggests the man was allowed in."
But we know from an actual video that the glass door at an entry was broken, so why bring up a possibility that a break-in didn't happen?
If I had a hammer, a hammer in the morning . . .
@Althouse, I decided to look up the “Hillary is dead” article based on your skepticism of the LA Times.
You be the judge. To me, it’s quite obvious the author of the piece is mocking conspiracies about Clinton’s death with sarcasm. If that’s what the LA Times is basing their critique of the Santa Monica Observer on, then I’d have to say the LA Times is intentionally pushing fake news itself!
Howard should talk to his maximum leader, Joe Biden, about politicizing whatever happened here without the facts, otherwise his post amounts to “don’t defend yourself, it makes it harder for us to smear you with false accusations!”
Howard and Inga, both of whom STILL push the russia collusion and hoax dossier and hoax pee tape and hoax everything else conspiracies are very, very upset that everyone with a functioning brain can see perfectly clearly what their beloved New Soviet Democraticals are up to.
Remember, in order to defend Joey 10% Dementia, Inga literally argued it was "normal" for a grown man to shower with his adolescent daughter and Howard still claims the 14,000 Americans abandoned by Dementia Joe in Afghanistan never existed.
Needless to say both Howard and Inga are fully on-board the unrestricted abortion/baby-parts-harvesting and groomer defense teams.
Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker: "MAGA republicans are everywhere. Roaming the streets of San Francisco and Chicago."
Subway sandwich afficionados are officially warned!
And Peter, Paul and Mary's rendition of "If I Had A Hammer" is now deemed Hate Speech.
Why did the police fail to bring in the semen-sniffing dogs?
“If I had a hammer, a hammer in the morning . . .”
We pay the orderlies time and one half to keep those away from you, gadfly.
The Hopeless gadfly: "But we know from an actual video that the glass door at an entry was broken, so why bring up a possibility that a break-in didn't happen?"
LOL
Have you seen a pic of the hole in the glass? You'd have to be an amazingly small, fantastic body contortionist to make it into the home via that incredibly jagged mid-door height opening!!! That's Ocean's 11 kind of stuff that our gay, BLM supporting, nudist commune Berkeley-hippie dude that already knew Paul Pelosi, intimately shall we say(?), most certainly lacked the necessary skill to perform.....but then this dude wasn't there to perform that kind of contortionism, was he?
Good old gadfly! Conserving Conservatism via passionate defense of gay, BLM supporting, nudist commune Berkeley-hippie dudes who "just wanna have fun" with the husband of the New Soviet Democratical Speaker of the House.
This is almost as funny as gadfly's full throated defense of the far left groomer crowd over at Team radical trans agenda and gadfly's hilarious support of Inga and victoria from Pasadena's defending Joe Biden showering with his adolescent daughter!
Gee, you'd have to be completely blind to not see this bizarro pattern of support by gadfly for certain........things.
Howard said...
Doing deep dives into baseless speculation rumors innuendo conspiracy ideation etc is madness disguised as keeping up with current events.
You used to ask the question, Althouse: Are you helping?
I ask because your clientele are in a permanent state of pavlovian hyperdrool. Their toxic pathology is palpable. They are not the same people from 5-years ago. I think the experiment has developed sufficient data.
Russian Collusion.
Kavanaugh Rape.
Scalise shooting.
Trump Rape.
Raffensburger Phone Call.
Trump Ukraine Phone Call.
Brian Sicknick.
George Floyd.
Just a short list of the lies you have been clinging to the last 5 years.
Every time you claim we are the crazy ones.
And every time we are right in the end.
We do have enough data.
You are a lying piece of shit. Your media hacks are lying pieces of shit.
You and your leftist friends are just shitheads that lie constantly Howard. And your lies are being used to justify violence, censorship, and repression.
And it is about to end.
It seems like only yesterday when the New Soviet Democraticals were giving standing ovations on live global television broadcasts to convicted sodomizers (Roman Polanski) and calling Harvey Weinstein "sort of a god".
Good times, good times.....
DePape is crazy as are the stories about him.....The MSM is highlighting details about the entry that are similar to details about the 1/6 rioters. DePape had zip ties and shouted "Where's Nancy" after his entry. The msm claims that this makes him a 1/6 rioter and a person who had been influenced by Trump's rhetoric to act out his anger....There's no doubt that DePape's crazy brain was influenced by the zeitgeist and that Trump and 1/6 were part of the zeitgeist. However,the MSM tactfully doesn't mention all of the other crazy parts of his behavior that are far more typical of the loony left than of 1/6 rioters......Paul Pelosi is extremely wealthy and an octogenarian. I don't think he had a sudden impulse at 2:30AM to call on the services of a gay prostitute. If he had such a need, I don't think he would call on the services of DePape. DePape looks kind of low rent. DePape himself doesn't look like the kind of guy who could negotiate the ins and outs of being a gay prostitute.... I don't think we know the full story, but the story about this being some kind of gay tryst gone awry is not it.
1: Very nice deconstruction of this article
2: First, I have a problem with the phrase "baseless allegations." You shouldn't add the word "baseless" to "allegations" unless you have determined that the allegations are based on nothing. Has the NYT done that? Or is it simply showing its bias?
Simply showing their bias. It is a standard trope among the dishonest Left. They add the word "baseless" or the phrase "without evidence" any time the situation is that they're afraid to confront the basis or evidence of the charge
3: Why not call that a "baseless allegation"? Hillary was only speculating about what motivated DePape
Because in the world of the NYT, only things that hurt the Left are ever "baseless" or "without evidence"
4: The article alleges that Mr. Pelosi was drunk and in a fight with a male prostitute.
Thank you, NYT, (and an actual think you to Althouse) for letting me know what the claim is. I've been working hard to avoid getting into the parts of the story that require brain bleach, so I had not before seen that explicitly stated.
5: I'm inclined to speculate that the reason the NYT is elevating this story is that the drunk-fight-with-a-male-prostitute story is not beyond the pale. It needs to be rendered toxic so no one will pass it around. Don't dare say it!
Welcome to the Streisand effect.
Personally, actions like the NYT's pretty much always act to encourage me to spread the info
6: And that's not going to work. The NYT cannot control the narrative and its effort to control the narrative will embolden — just kidding, may embolden — the purveyors of the the drunk-fight-with-a-male-prostitute story.
And that is why the Left so has its panties in a twist about Musk buying Twitter
Because they could do that with the entirely truthful "Hunter Biden Laptop" story. But only because Twitter was willing to act as an enforcer for the Left.
The fact that Twitter won't be embargoing the story means the Left's censorship powers are dying
Drago said...
And Peter, Paul and Mary's rendition of "If I Had A Hammer" is now deemed Hate Speech.
LOL
I think it’s sweet that the violent intruder allowed Big Pauli a bathroom break. Seems normal.
tim maguire said...
Why would you write "had entered through the back door"
Double entendre [heh, heh]
I'm deeply shamed that I hadn't caught that
The LA Times is the worst big town newspaper in the nation. Others are more nefarious, but LAT is just an industry joke. It makes USA Today look like the OED.
If there is a back story that is harmful to the Democratic Party or to Pelosi family interests, then no one in an official connection with the San Francisco city government will tell it. No one in the MSM will be interested in digging it out. The wilder theories will be mentioned only in order to discredit any people who have reservations about the official story or the way in which the MSM is telling it.
I regret not taking a screenshot of the Musk tweet. I’ve been out of the Twitter-sphere for about two years. It doesn’t take long to lose those instincts.
The NYT, WaPo and most of the MSM are the American Pravda. They are weaving an imaginary world for leftist nitwits.
If you can get the nitwits to talk to you, it's obvious. For example: Our neighbor asked the FBI to prosecute Tucker Carlson for inciting the Uvalde shooting to further the Republican "replacement theory"; My son, the Portlandian, said the ongoing Antifa/BLM riots of 2020 was just "assholes from both sides screwing up the city"; My cleaning lady says, "Kari Lake is batshit crazy!" Why? Because Trevor Noah says so.
What a world the Democrats and their pet mediaswine are creating.
Howard said...
Doing deep dives into baseless speculation rumors innuendo conspiracy ideation etc is madness disguised as keeping up with current events.
You used to ask the question, Althouse: Are you helping?
"Helping" who?
She's not helping the Left advance their dishonest "all political violence comes from the Right" campaign. but that's because that campaign is fraudulent and dishonest.
Helping society? Yes. She is doing that.
Because disassembling propaganda masquerading as news is, outside certain data in the midst of a war against a foreign enemy who will learn too much of value if the propaganda is disproved, always a good thing, and very "helpful."
"Baseless"? Her speculation is quite logically based on what the NYT is "reporting".
I find it funny, but sad, that you Howard are trying to pull the exact same BS that she's deconstructing here
BTW, the photos of the door through which entry was supposedly gained show the broken glass on the OUTSIDE.
Are police calling it a "break out" or a "break in." Not that it matters when they are making shit up.
Inga said...
Everybody is stirring the pot and and to people who are already deep in the stew.
Why yes, Inga, the Democrats pushing the "this is an example of right wing political violence" are most certainly "stirring the pot and and to people who are already deep in the stew".
It's good for you to recognize this
And how, I ask you, does any of this reflect poorly on Paul Pelosi? The man is 84, and managed (allegedly) to hold his own in a late-night drunken hammer fight with a male prostitute. I am much younger, and am not at all confident that I could hold my own in such a scenario.
I want to know what sort of diet, what sort of exercise program, puts an octagenarian in such a shape. Most of the 84 year old men I know would not even consider maintaining a gay lover, let alone trading hammer blows with them at 2 am (allegedly).
What stamina! What libido! What a man -- truly a worthy spouse for the second in line to the Presidency of the United States.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris MUST RESIGN NOW to elevate Paul Pelosi to the position of First Gentlemen.
WHY aren't people jumping on the lies being spewed by Hillary as much as they are jumping on Elon for asking a question that many of us have because of the lies and cover ups the Progressives have put us all through so many times it is making me sick.
Just like the Drunk Driving incident, the only information available on this story is the early information that got out before they could clamp down on the flow - 'they' being the people that manage the information flow for things like this: police, family empire lawyers, executives in the Legacy Corporate media, and so on. Centi-millionaires that are also national political figures have stroke, and you're seeing it, at not being seen.
There is much more to the story - but the likelihood is that we won't be getting much more.
Too bad there aren't many grubby, tenacious, badger journalists around any more that ain't skeered of being cancelled.
Great Post by Althouse.
Its lucky he didn't break into Hillary's house. There would've been another "suicide".
Remember, the NYT printed as a fact that on Jan 6th a Captial Hill policeman was "Killed with a fire extinguisher" and another policeman was "Died during a struggle with the protesters". For weeks the NYT's continued to print this as fact, based on "Sources in the Police". It also printed, without any pushback, various Pols repeating the same thing. For MONTHS!
Of course, it later came out that ZERO policeman were killed by the Jan 6th protesters. One policeman had a heart attack in the police station, 6 hours after the protest ended. The NYT's simply made it up.
Given that, I don't believe ANYTHING the NYT's writes based on "Sources" or "People familiar with the situation". GIve us the police department report, given us 911 tape, give us the reason why the suspect has not been charged.
BTW you can buy security film (on Amazon through the Althouse Portal) that you can apply to the inside of your windows that will make them un-get-through-able. The glass will shatter but stay in place and make it extremely difficult (nearly impossible) to remove. It’s a bit tricky to install - if you’re not careful, you’ll have tiny bubbles. Kind of like a window cling. Well worth the cost.
“Remember, in order to defend Joey 10% Dementia, Inga literally argued it was "normal" for a grown man to shower with his adolescent daughter”
Drago is as deranged as the guy who attacked Pelosi’s husband. A normal person would not lie to the degree Drago lies every single time he posts any response to those he considers leftists and that includes conservatives who are not Trump supporters. Drago is too prissy to drop a curse word, but he somehow thinks lying is acceptable. So Drago have you gotten your daughter pregnant yet?
"Baseless allegations" are allegations based on nothing. You can make baseless allegations, be lucky, and end up right! They're still baseless.
“BTW, the photos of the door through which entry was supposedly gained show the broken glass on the OUTSIDE.
Are police calling it a "break out" or a "break in." Not that it matters when they are making shit up.”
It’s apparent that the glass in the door was hit from the outside, the glass surrounding the hole is leaning inwards, not outwards. Maybe you need to put on your glasses and take a better look. There is also glass inside the door on the floor.
Althouse at her best. Giving the NYT a good fisking, now without much tsk, tsking, just reading them as and for what they are.
I’m waiting to find out if Hunter Biden was also there in his tighty-whitey underwear.
Paul is having a bad year.
We are told DePape was in his underwear. But we are not told he had shoes on. If glass was broken to force entry, he would have walked on broken glass.
And interesting this grouping of stories, the campaign break in in AZ, the conveniently timed Fetterman sign burn in PA and now in CA a Nancy Pelosi "guest" situation. The latter likely unplanned but seized. Just have to keep the narrative going until Tuesday week. So the bureaucrats are doing their best delaying of information release.
Daniel12yearsold,
Here is a baseless allegation- "David DePape was a right-winger incited by Republicans to assault Paul Pelosi." Even if my suspicion that Pelosi brought DePape back to his house for sex is disproven by video footage of DePape breaking in, all the other evidence available shows DePape is very, very mentally ill and the only officials responsible in any way for this attack are the ones who allow him to roam the streets free to attack the citizens they are sworn to protect. In California, that is no Republican that I know of.
such sad-case lefties
bitterly clinging to lies
let’s go to the tape
NYT/LAT/WAPO:
“Unfit to line a birdcage…”
The key question is how David DeDape got into the house. This reminds me of the Alfred Hitchcock movie, "Dial M for Murder". Ray Milland hires a man to kill his wife, Grace Kelly. He leaves the key under the carpet stairs outside the apartment. At the time of the planned murder, he's at a party with his wife's lover, which gives him an alibi. The attempted murder goes awry when Grace Kelly kills the would-be assassin in self-defense. Ray Milland then rearranges the evidence to make it appear that the dead man had been blackmailing Grace Kelly and she let him into the apartment. Grace Kelly claims that he must have broken into the apartment. The inspector says that there's no sign of a break-in and believes that she let him in herself. At the end, everything is figured out.
Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary/FBI Hoax Dossier Dead Ender Inga: "Drago is too prissy to drop a curse word, but he somehow thinks lying is acceptable."
LOL
You have years of on the record commentary that you will never escape from. And its no surprise you would speak of fathers getting their daughters pregnant when you passionately defend as "normal" fathers showering with their adolescent daughters.
On top of the democraticals pro-groomer policies and the apparently rather sicko perversions of Nancy Pelosi's husband, now also defended by the Althouse lefties, I can see why Inga is so very, very angry that its all been.......well, how should I say this.......exposed.
There isn't really anywhere to rhetorically hide now is there russia collusion psycho girl?
And no wonder that pee tape thing seemed so very believable to you....that's probably a "normal" New Soviet Democratical thing now as well. Well, at least for Chelsea Handler it is....and she is quite representative of Team Groomer.
More of Inga's hollywood heroes distinguishing themselves:
"A “Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights” actress claimed Harvey Weinstein masturbated on her face while his assistant waited outside a hotel room.
The woman, referred to in court as “Ashley M.,” trembled and sobbed as she testified how the disgraced Hollywood movie mogul picked her out of the cast of dancers filming in Puerto Rico in 2003 and demanded that she give him a “naked massage.”
No wonder the obama's wanted so much for their daughter Malia to work directly with Harvey Weinstein, who was a long time/big time pal of the Clinton's.
Interesting note: Inga, to this day, doesn't really have anything to say about Weinstein, so this Pelosi story falls right into the precise category of stories Inga doesn't want anyone else speaking about either.
rcocean: "Remember, the NYT printed as a fact that on Jan 6th a Captial Hill policeman was "Killed with a fire extinguisher" and another policeman was "Died during a struggle with the protesters". For weeks the NYT's continued to print this as fact, based on "Sources in the Police". It also printed, without any pushback, various Pols repeating the same thing. For MONTHS!"
The Althouse lefty morons Inga, Howard, gadfly, et al STILL claim police officers were killed at the Capital on Jan 6.
Now, given Inga's track record, the way this works is she will keep claiming things like that every single day, for months/years, right up until the very moment she flips some switch and begins to assert she never made a big deal about it and can't understand why anyone else would want to talk about it.
But then every now and again the old Inga "memory" glitch will reappear and she'll advance the same lunatic debunked lie as "truth" before she crawls back into her narrative hovel.
Don't know if it's been covered here before, but interesting origin of Beyond the pale
Blogger Inga said...
Drago is as deranged as the guy who attacked Pelosi’s husband. A normal person would not lie to the degree Drago lies
So what are you saying, Inga? Are you saying that Joey 10% is just as sane as you?
Or perhaps it would be better to ask if you think he has displayed no signs of dementia?
If he does display signs of dementia, as I have observed him to, how is pointing this out a lie?
You helped elect him, he is your fault. But, to paraphrase Senator Roman Hruska "Even crazy people have a right to be represented by their peers."
John LGBTQBNY Henry
(Since Inga complained about my signature)
Drago, stop abusing your 12 year old daughter, even though it may be tenet of you religion, it’s wrong. Lying is a sacrament in your special religion it seems. Drago is a freak who lies daily in a strange obsessive manner and who knows what else he does to his children every day of his miserable life.
Drago is the sort of groomer that grooms crazy people into committing crimes because they may have read and believed his many many lies.
This morning I heard someone suggest on a radio talk-show that the person asking "Where' Nancy?" was Paul Pelosi.
Dublin was "The Pale"
Lets face it, the New Soviet Democraticals are not only fresh out of October Surprises, though I'm certain Christopher Wray's boys are working overtime to gin something up for their democratical masters, but now the New Soviet Democraticals have another Paul Pelosi hunter-biden-like "event" they need to cover up.
So they come up with this super duper idea which they know will fool the Inga's of the world because what doesn't fool those fools? So they come up with calling this lunatic drug-addled loser a MAGA type!!
Now I know you are saying to yourselves: Wait a minute! A berkeley lefty lunatic nudist BLM dude can't be painted as a MAGA type, now can he? Gee, not even the moronic lefties like Inga or gadfly or Howard can believe something so extraordinarily stupid......
.....WRONG!!
They are precisely that extraordinarily stupid! Repeatedly!
Better yet these New Soviet Democraticals think, we'll tie this into Jan 6 and try and revive that Reichstag Fire dead horse!
And here we are.
And its hilarious.
Here's the Chelsea Handler bit on when Jason Biggs peed on her face:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R3TIL_45Uw
Jason Biggs is a big time anti-Trumper of course, and Biggs likes peeing on women.
So, you know, he's a "perfectly normal" democratical, isn't he Inga?
I wonder if Paul Pelosi goes in for that sort of thing....when his house is "broken into" (wink wink)......
He's driving them mad. It's a short trip.
Now that federal charging documents have been filed, ok with modifier baseless?
Biden “cops a feel” off his granddaughter…
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/touchysniffykissy.jpg
Where have you gone Pual Harvey? We need the rest of the story1
Where have you gone Paul Harvey? We need the rest of the story1
Maybe I'm an outlier, but as a heterosexual 64-year-old male, if I'm making a booty call, it aint at 2:30 a.m. (Paul Pelosi is 82.)
Readering: "Now that federal charging documents have been filed, ok with modifier baseless?"
Are these documents similar to the charging documents Mueller and his handler Weissman filed against the non-existent russians during the Russia Collusion Farce/cover-up?
Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary/FBI Hoax Dossier Dead Ender Inga @1:53PM
LOL
Inga, I don't have a 12 year old daughter. If I did I am sure old Dementia Joe would be pulling his usual shenanigans and wanting to shower with her, which, as loyal Althouse readers will recall, is something you (Inga) believe is "perfectly normal". And victoria and gadfly were right there with you fighting the "good" fight for father/daughter showers!
At first I thought it was only because you 3 lefties were conservation minded! But no, you were actually arguing based on your fundamental beliefs, such as they are!
But I understand why you want to project what your New Soviet Democraticals are doing in terms of grooming across the nation on to conservatives: things aren't looking too great for Team Groomer right now and its clearly eating you up. Pssst!: if you cant take the heat, stay out of the groomer's kitchen.
Food for thought.
You might however take comfort, in fact I am sure you will, in the knowledge that in many heavy democratical locales, right this very minute, they are still carving up full term babies so they can sell off the baby body parts for thier democratical "fun" and profits.
So you've got that going for you.
Daniel12 said...
"Baseless allegations" are allegations based on nothing. You can make baseless allegations, be lucky, and end up right! They're still baseless.
The allegation that this was "Right wing violence" was a baseless allegation
The allegation that something stinks about this is based on the initial reports, and the "repudiations" of the initial reports that lack any explanations for what supposedly actually happened.
So, Danny, are you enjoying all the baseless bullshit coming from the Left?
This potato is so hot the SFPD couldn't wait to pass it on to the FBI. I would guess that Stephanie Minor drew the short straw in that field office.
Readering said...
Now that federal charging documents have been filed, ok with modifier baseless?
Is the situation that you are a moron, or that you think we are morons?
From the affidavit:
For the reasons set forth below, I submit that there is probable cause to believe that DEPAPE violated the following: Title 18 U.S.C. §§ 115(a)(1)(A) by assaulting Paul Pelosi, an immediate family member of a United States official, to wit, Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, with intent to retaliate against such official on account of the performance of official duties; and Title 18 U.S.C. § 1201(d) by attempting to seize or kidnap a United States official, to wit, Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives.
...
10. At 2:31 a.m., San Francisco Police Department (“SFPD”) Officer Colby Wilmes
responded to the Pelosi residence, California and knocked on the front door. When the door was
opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand and DEPAPE had his
other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. Pelosi greeted the officers. The officers asked them
what was going on. DEPAPE responded that everything was good. Officers then asked Pelosi
and DEPAPE to drop the hammer.
DEPAPE pulled the hammer from Pelosi’s hand and swung the hammer, striking
Pelosi in the head. Officers immediately went inside and were able to restrain DEPAPE. While
...
e. DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the interview, DEPAPE repeated that DEPAPE did not plan to surrender and that he would go “through” Pelosi.
So, the story is that DePape knew that Pelosi had called the police, and let him go open the door when the police knocked, but then somehow magically got over there and attacked Pelosi, while the cops did nothing (this is all happening right at the door that Pelosi opened), and Pelosi never bothered to go through the door he'd opened so as to have police protection from the hammer wielding maniac?
This is your idea of a good story?
So he hasn't been charged yet? Why not? And the charges you're picturing are attempted homicide and assault with a deadly weapon. Why not breaking and entering?
They said there were several charges and the two mentioned were "included". Presumably these two were considered by the author/editor to be most important.
From the SF Police blog:
"DePape will be booked for attempted homicide (664/187 PC), first-degree burglary (459 PC), violent felony enhancement (667.5(c)(21) PC), assault with a deadly weapon (245(a)(1)PC), aggravated battery with serious bodily injury (243(d) PC), elder abuse (368(b)(1) PC), inflict great bodily injury on elderly (12022.7(c) PC), dissuading a victim (136.1(b)(1) PC), threatening public official, or family member (76(a) PC), and damaging or preventing a communication for an emergency call (591.5 PC)." [Emphasis mine]
I don't know the technicalities here, but I assume 1st degree burglary includes breaking an entering. Also, it is possible the police blog did not have a complete list either, but that seems less likely.
>>We begin in medias res.
Just like the Iliad, the Odyssey, and the Aeneid(!). Althouse gets the Latin grammar right. I think there was a discussion of that phrase not too long ago.
--gpm
Harrowing.
>>From the affidavit:
Just wow (I assume the quotes from the affidavit are accurate). The quoted portions of the affidavit make no sense.
"When the door was opened." By whom, a pre-Halloween goblin, if, as is now asserted, nobody else was there? Or by Pelosi, when he and DePape were supposedly both holding the hammer?
"When the door was opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand"/"The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it." While he and DePape were "both holding a hammer"?
--gpm
So, Lefties:
1: Where are the pictures showing the inside of where he supposedly broke in?
2: Where's the badycam video?
3: Where's the unreacted 911 call tape?
Do I take the word of an FBI agent?
No, not on any subject. They've gleefully burned their credibility to the ground
Do I accept the unsubstantiated claims of SF cops, after the fact, on an issue of political importance?
Well, I have a simple rule: If someone has access to information (voting documents, body cam, security videos, pictures, etc) and does not release that to back up their claims, it's because their claims are lies.
Or to put it another way: Anyone who says "trust me" is lying
Until the raw data is let out, with nothing other than bluring out parts of the bodies of the people involved, I dont' believe anything they have to say
The biggest lie of all is on the front page of every copy of The New York Times, where it promises "All the News That's Fit to Print." All? Well, of course not. It wouldn't fit. But surely "all the news" means at least all the biggest stories. I'll say just three words: "Hunter's Laptop."
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