August 10, 2022

"Trump Takes the Fifth Amendment in New York Deposition."

The NYT reports.
The former president invoked his right against self-incrimination during a deposition that the New York attorney general’s office had hoped would be a turning point in a civil investigation into his business practices.... 
Trump is no stranger to facing questions under oath, having once boasted that he has sat for “over 100″ depositions.” And until now, he rarely passes up an opportunity to answer questions — or spar with his questioners. He once told a lawyer that her questions were “very stupid.” And one of the lawyers who questioned him said Trump is, “completely fearless in a deposition.”...

Trump said:  “I have absolutely no choice because the current Administration and many prosecutors in this Country have lost all moral and ethical bounds of decency.... Under the advice of my counsel and for all of the above reasons, I declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.”

This old clip of Trump in 2016 is getting a lot of play on Twitter right now:

103 comments:

Joe Smith said...

I can't see NYT articles, but did they print Trump's statement?

Even the president of El Salvador is dissing the DOJ...

wendybar said...


Good for him. Just another show trial by the progressives who are afraid of him, because he was trying to root out their corruption. Al Sharpton is walking free. After all of HIS problems paying rents and tax bills, should they go after him?? Or is he on the right team, so he can do and say whatever he wants?? This is why America doesn't trust ANY of them. They are running political witchhunts against anybody who isn't progressive enough for them, and doesn't think and say exactly what they are supposed to. When will Nasty Nancy, the Insider Trader get this treatment??

jim5301 said...

And unlike a criminal prosecution, in a civil case you can use an invocation of the Fifth against the defendant. The jury will know and be free to conclude that he broke the law. Not a great week for Trump, but I'm sure his donations are up.

Kevin said...

This old clip of Trump in 2016 is getting a lot of play on Twitter right now:

What do you think changed since then?

-- Trump is now a guilty criminal, or
-- The DOJ has shown itself to be corrupt.

Kevin said...

Under the advice of my counsel and for all of the above reasons, I declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.

It would be nice to have a President who understands the value of the Constitution again.

Old and slow said...

He was right to keep his mouth shut. I'm surprised and pleased that he had the self control. The last few years have been a depressing revelation for me. I used to be a cynic, now there are no words to describe my attitude regarding politics.

Jupiter said...

I'm surprised they didn't get out the thumbscrews and make him talk.

Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...

Leteeta has more than likely been promised Chuck Schumer's senate seat.

This is the game.

rcocean said...

Trump is right. Joe Biden is an authoritarian creep who is a danger to American Democracy. It would be stupid of Trump to say anything under oath, to any lawless Leftwing trump hating DA or lawyer.

Every Trump person involved in any of these witchhunts should take the 5th. You can't cooperate with the American Gestapo.

Butkus51 said...

i also remember when Pedos were frowned upon. Not anymore.

Joe Smith said...

'Not a great week for Trump, but I'm sure his donations are up.'

Is that you Howard? Inga?

Gospace said...

So will the DemoncRATic prosecutors now tell the jury that’s absolute proof of his guilt?

Let’s face it, it’s not past them to totally destroy the Constitution to get Trump. They’ve already lied to the courts without consequence, committed perjury before Congress without consequence, convinced or coerced media into censorship to get him and support his political opponents. Seems there’s no downside for them.

Yet.

Mark said...

This clip is much like the Daily Show clip this week of many Fox/etc pundits from a few years back decrying Hillary's document issues and demanding the FBI to come down hard on her for removing documents when she was not supposed to.

Lots of hoisting by one's own petard this week.

Mike Sylwester said...

And unlike a criminal prosecution, in a civil case you can use an invocation of the Fifth against the defendant.

It's not obvious to me that this is a civil case.

John henry said...

He is absolutely right.

Look what happened to general Flynn.

John LGBTQBNY Henry

Readering said...

In California, there is statutory protection for party that invokes fifth amendment in civil discovery. Although still the problem that you would be precluded from trying to turn around and testify for yourself at civil trial. But I think NY hews to older common law rule on allowing factfinder to know and adverse inferences to be argued for.

LilyBart said...

It does seem this man's powerful political opponents are using the Govt to disqualify this man by whatever means necessary. We know the FBI lied to the courts to get a FISA warrant and spied on his campaign. We know the justice department and congress spent 3 1/2 years 'investigating' a lie against him. Why should we believe they're being honest and above board on this? We just can't.

Readering said...

Reading that Trump invoked the fifth during Ivana divorce proceedings to avoid answering questions about adultery. Weird if true. Criminal adultery?

Quayle said...

"Let’s face it, it’s not past them to totally destroy the Constitution to get Trump."

No, no, no! You destroy the Constitution in order to save the Constitution. Getting rid of one's political enemies is the way you save it - the means. Once the political enemy is gone, you put the Constitution back where it was before you broke it, and all is well again.

LilyBart said...

What do you think changed since then? he addressed this:

“I once asked ‘if you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?’ Now I know the answer to that question,” Trump said in the statement. “When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”

Ceciliahere said...

We have the 5th Amendment for a very good reason. And, now is the time to invoke your constitutional right. Tell the Ny AG to stuff her questions up her very large derrière.

Beasts of England said...

’…decrying Hillary's document issues…’

Hillary had a non-secure server with TS/SCI information (including PDBs) open to hacking by all the world’s intelligence agencies. That’s an unprecedented violation of the espionage act, not a document issue.

Achilles said...

Mark said...

This clip is much like the Daily Show clip this week of many Fox/etc pundits from a few years back decrying Hillary's document issues and demanding the FBI to come down hard on her for removing documents when she was not supposed to.

Lots of hoisting by one's own petard this week.


Trump took documents that were declassified and released to the public. Then he returned them to the archives and allowed investigators to go through them for retrieval.

Hillary took NOFORN and TS/SCI materials off of SIPR and other classified networks, put them on her personal computer, emailed them to various non-secured receivers, then deleted them during the investigation.

You are just a piece of shit leftist that thinks these are the same thing.

And you are really stupid too.

Humperdink said...

He shouldn't have taken the fifth. He should responded to every question with "Go screw yourself". (Probably can't do that.)

Readering said...

We know Trump has lied at every turn for his entire marital, business and political life. Cult of Trump.

Rusty said...

Kevin said...
"Under the advice of my counsel and for all of the above reasons, I declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.

It would be nice to have a President who understands the value of the Constitution again."
And that idea scares the crap out of Jim and his friends.

Jim at said...

Why would a person not plead the 5th these days? Have you seen the people running the country? Have you witnessed their out-and-out thuggery? Why tell them anything?

'They never hung a mute' are words to live by.

Jim at said...

Lots of hoisting by one's own petard this week.

Good gawd, you're dumb.

The fact Hillary wasn't prosecuted - and Trump currently is - is the entire fucking point we've been making.

One set of rules for Leftists. Another, completely different set of rules for non-leftists.

What part of that don't you get?

TheOne Who Is Not Obeyed said...

"... for removing documents when she was not supposed to."

Well. I guess that's one way of describing setting up an unsecured server in one's private home while serving as Secretary of State and then using that server and a non-official email address to conduct business on behalf of the US and of her private foundation at the same time.

Oh, and to also transact said business with the sitting President of the United States who also used a non-official email address in those correspondences.

But yeah, Granny Grifting Clinton just removed some "documents when she was not supposed to."

Leland said...

Question asked and answered.

Jim Gust said...

Trump was 100% correct to not cooperate. Look what happened to Martha Stewart.

Michael K said...

Blogger jim5301 said...

And unlike a criminal prosecution, in a civil case you can use an invocation of the Fifth against the defendant. The jury will know and be free to conclude that he broke the law. Not a great week for Trump, but I'm sure his donations are up.


Another clueless comment by jim1234. DC juries would convict a ten year old Republican. They don't even need ham in the sandwich. They also specialize in acquitting guilty Democrats. Sussman and Greg Craig, for example.

Michael K said...

My comment on DC juries also applies to NY juries.

Joe Smith said...

'Lots of hoisting by one's own petard this week.'

That's exactly the fucking point.

If it's for 'document issues,' then it points to selective investigation/prosecution.

Hillary should have been indicted for clearly mishandling (and purposefully) classified materials.

Even stupid liberals should be able to understand this.

Freder Frederson said...

It's not obvious to me that this is a civil case.

Well, that makes you a dumbass.

Hillary should have been indicted for clearly mishandling (and purposefully) classified materials.

Well, if that is true, what excuses Trump from storing classified materials in some store room at Mar a Lago?

Drago said...

Joe Smith: "'Lots of hoisting by one's own petard this week.'

That's exactly the fucking point.

If it's for 'document issues,' then it points to selective investigation/prosecution.

Hillary should have been indicted for clearly mishandling (and purposefully) classified materials.

Even stupid liberals should be able to understand this."

Every single leftist here knows they are lying thru their teeth and.....that's the very point.

They know they are lying.
We know they are lying.
They know we know they are lying.
And they know that right now they hold all the levers of power and can enforce their lies as truth and paint truth as lies...and they've got "judges" and "juries" lined up to make it all happen.

That's precisely what they love most about this.

87,000 new IRS agents are going to be kept quite busy as the lefties in govt have databases across different federal agencies cross-referenced to identify Trump donors, gun owners, school board reform candidates, etc for Tea Party treatment. The FBI is demanding local sheriff's offices provide detailed lists of gun owners in their areas. CA "accidentally" leaked detailed info on all gun owners in the state....except for the criminals. Those guys are fully protected in CA.

And the lefties will lie about it happening right up to the point where they not only admit that its happening but that its always been happening and that its always been justified.

Which is precisely the same talking point evolution followed with the spying on Trump, creation of the hoax dossier, weaponization of the fed agencies for Russia Russia Russia collusion, etc.

wendybar said...

Now do Lois Lerner who retired with a hefty pension paid for by the people she went after for political reasons.

wendybar said...

Now that they are hiring hit men for the IRS, I don't blame Trump at all.... https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/08/10/job-alert-the-irs-is-looking-for-criminal-investigation-special-agents-who-will-carry-a-firearm-and-be-willing-to-use-deadly-force-if-necessary/

Enigma said...

Trump was very naïve in 2016. He sincerely thought he could "drain the swamp" when 90% of the swamp creatures love the swamp and created the swamp for their own advancement. He now clams up for learning the scope of the problem, and long after he made many enemies. Someone (perhaps not him) needs to find allies to better manage the swamp. Draining it won't happen any time soon, or ever.

Iman said...

“This clip is much like the Daily Show clip this week of many Fox/etc pundits from a few years back decrying Hillary's document issues and demanding the FBI to come down hard on her for removing documents when she was not supposed to.

Lots of hoisting by one's own petard this week.”

POTUS vs. PANTSUITED PANTLOAD COMMON CITIZEN, numbnutz.

Iman said...

“This clip is much like the Daily Show clip this week of many Fox/etc pundits from a few years back decrying Hillary's document issues and demanding the FBI to come down hard on her for removing documents when she was not supposed to.

Lots of hoisting by one's own petard this week.”

POTUS vs. PANTSUITED PANTLOAD COMMON CITIZEN, numbnutz.

Joe Smith said...

'Well, if that is true, what excuses Trump from storing classified materials in some store room at Mar a Lago?'

Because Trump had the power to declassify absolutely anything when in office, and for all we know, he did. Yet to be determined, of course.

As Secretary of State, Hillary did not have that power. She could declassify nothing.

And it wasn't just the classification of the Hillary documents, but where they were shoddily and amateurishly stored, and how they got there over the supposed 'air gap.'

wendybar said...

There’s a word for this, when law enforcement becomes an arm of one political party. What is it again? Oh, right, a police state.

https://issuesinsights.com/2022/08/10/welcome-to-bidens-police-state-part-iii/

Mike Sylwester said...

Freder Frederson at 12:23 PM
It's not obvious to me that this is a civil case.

Well, that makes you a dumbass.


It's not obvious to me that Freder Frederson is a civil person.

It's still not obvious to me that this is a civil case.

Howard said...

Twit klik bait

Yancey Ward said...

Words to remember any time you are questioned by the police or prosecutors on any matter, whether you believe you are guilty or not:

"Fuck you- lawyer."

Inga said...

Trump playing the victim gets a huge response from his cult members. Trump, your cult leader, knows how to pluck you little cultists until you don’t have a feather left.

rcocean said...

Obama moved several truckloads of documents to chicago for his library. None have been cateloged by the national archive.

Neither the FBI nor anyone else at DoJ cares.

why do we have to keep having these stupid ass conversations, with brain dead libtards who tommorrow would argue the opposite if the "party line" changed? You can boil all their arguements down to two things:

1) I hate those Godddman republicans
2) And I really hate Trump.

rcocean said...

BTW, Mitch McConnell has refused to comment on Biden's disgraceful Juanta like raid on Trump's residency.

Chicom Mitch is on it. And approves. that's the Republican establishment for you.

Kevin said...

Well, if that is true, what excuses Trump from storing classified materials in some store room at Mar a Lago?

Because Trump, as President, got to decide what materials were and we’re not classified.

Hillary, as NOT President, didn’t have such authority.

Michael K said...

Blogger Inga said...

Trump playing the victim gets a huge response from his cult members. Trump, your cult leader, knows how to pluck you little cultists until you don’t have a feather left.


The resident dullard thinks the raid was great. What civil rights? I think Garfinkle just elected Trump.

Michael K said...

Letitia James is about to learn that her stupid "Get Trump" campaign is coming back to bite her.

Also, I am willing to bet that the FBI raid on Trump was to look for communications between him and the FBI whistle blowers that Grassley and Johnson have been talking to.

Gunner said...

Democrats should have just made the offer to stop the second fake impeachment vote and other January 6 histrionics in return for Trump not talking about the last election.

Gusty Winds said...

Trump taking of the 5th reminds me of a scene from Steven Spielberg's "1941" comedy movie with John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd. Written by Robert Zemeckis.

The Japanese are lost in their submarine off the coast of California. Their ship's compass is broke. They go ashore and take a lumberjack prisoner. Aboard the ship they discover he is in possession of a small Cracker Jack compass. The lumberjack grabs the compass and swallows it. So, the Japanese force him drink prune juice.

Cut to the next scene and they have the guy tied up sitting on the toilet, and the first line he says to the Japanese is "You ain't gettin' shit out of me!"

That's Trump in NYC today. It's why we love the guy.

CWJ said...

"We know Trump has lied at every turn for his entire marital, business and political life. Cult of Trump."

Tell us some. Some non-marital ones would be nice.

Narayanan said...

Al Capone was brought down by IRS !!!!! >>> explains D fixation with Trump tax returns....
now anybody audited by IRS is MOB

Narayanan said...

Humperdink said...
He shouldn't have taken the fifth. He should responded to every question with "Go screw yourself". (Probably can't do that.)
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even with flash-cards?

Butkus51 said...

Didnt Trump give Hillary and Bill campaign donations numerous times? Shouldnt they be looking into that?

I crack myself up.

Narayanan said...

wendybar said...
Now that they are hiring hit men for the IRS, I don't blame Trump at all.... https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/08/10/job-alert-the-irs-is-looking-for-criminal-investigation-special-agents-who-will-carry-a-firearm-and-be-willing-to-use-deadly-force-if-necessary/
==========
can they enter [any and all] premises without declaring arms possession? [not just audit-selectees' environs]

Lem Ozuna from the Braves said...

It may be that giving testimony in one case can be be used against him in another case.

Static Ping said...

Taking the Fifth is often because the person taking it is guilty. Perhaps not guilty of the particular charge before the court, but guilty of something. I would say this happens the majority of the time.

Taking the Fifth is sometimes taken because the target gains nothing by cooperating. It is not unheard of for a person to be innocent but the truth to make it seem like the person is guilty because the full context is missing.

Taking the Fifth is completely justified when you have reason to believe that the investigation is politically motivated. These is rarely ever a good reason to cooperate with someone out to get you and does not give a damn about the truth.

Achilles said...

Michael K said...

Also, I am willing to bet that the FBI raid on Trump was to look for communications between him and the FBI whistle blowers that Grassley and Johnson have been talking to.

I don't think Trump would be a part of that play. That stuff involves the Hunter Biden Laptop.

Those records did include a bunch of stuff on the Russian Collusion Hoax investigation though.

They could go after Grassley easier than they could go after Trump too.

They were fishing for something, anything, to get Trump off the ballot.

They just made sure the next Republican president is Trump though.

Drago said...

Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary Hoax Dosssier Dead Ender Inga: "Trump playing the victim gets a huge response from his cult members. Trump, your cult leader, knows how to pluck you little cultists until you don’t have a feather left."

Note: Inga still believes there is a pee tape.

The dems are full of Inga level lunatics.

Chris Lopes said...

"We know Trump has lied at every turn for his entire marital, business and political life."

We do? Again, not a Trumpist here, I considered him an ass clown from day one. In the other hand, it does look like a lot of people are willing to overlook liberal democratic norms to get him. Taking the 5th sounds pretty reasonable in this situation.

n.n said...

He's a witch, perhaps a warlock, and once a baby... fetus, a clear and progressive burden on the climate. His social transgressions have been established through twenty trimesters of braying, insurrections, incursions, and two impeachments through projection. Send him to planned presidenthood where he can be humanely aborted, sequestered, per chance cannibalized and redistributed, NOW!

Achilles said...

rcocean said...

BTW, Mitch McConnell has refused to comment on Biden's disgraceful Juanta like raid on Trump's residency.

Chicom Mitch is on it. And approves. that's the Republican establishment for you.


Scott also outed himself on CBS.

The masks are all coming off.

Achilles said...

More details about the raid.

1. The FBI would not give a copy of the warrant to the Lawyer on premises and they made Trump's lawyer leave the property during the search.

2. The FBI demanded that security turn off all cameras during the search.

3. That demand was refused.

I look forward to the campaign adds with FBI agents rummaging through Melania's underwear drawer.

The odds that Biden is President in any part of 2023 are 1 to 1.

I think it is highly likely Pelosi resigns after losing the house and they force Kamala out. They can just have Biden quietly have a health emergency and install whoever they elect speaker.

They might also decide to roll the dice with Kamala because she is too dumb to know she is being set up to take the fall.

This is the sound of inevitability.

The Regime is going to fall because it is disgusting and gross.

Christopher B said...

Slightly OT but pertinent .. via Ace of Spades HQ, John Sexton at HotAir is now reporting that a spokesman for Merrick Garland is claiming *he* did not know about the Mar-a-Largo raid, blaming it on an attorney in the South Florida office and hinting that Christopher Wray may have been the ultimate authority.

Paul said...

When they twist every word you utter... you stop talking.

Trump won't dignify this witch hunt.

Freder Frederson said...

And yet we are supposed to believe he was cooperating with the Feds on whatever they were looking for at Mar A Lago.

How stupid does he think we are?

Also, I am willing to bet that the FBI raid on Trump was to look for communications between him and the FBI whistle blowers that Grassley and Johnson have been talking to.

I'll take that bet.

gadfly said...

If you go down to the court today, you'd better not go alone
It's lovely down in the court today, but safer to stay at home
For everywhere that ever he trods
Will end up here for certain because
TFG pleads guilty by making "Fifth" yips

gadfly said...

Lem said...
It may be that giving testimony in one case can be used against him in another case.

Admitting that Trump is guilty of more than one thing is a good start.

wendybar said...

Maybe because of THIS??

https://twitter.com/i/status/1557393401586356225

Gretchen said...

Trump has a private business. He doesn't have investors. Companies like Twitter, Facebook, etc all do have investors and certainly do seem to have inflated ad and stock prices by pretending bots are real users. Ad revenue is based on how many people are likely to see your ads, not how many bots see your ads.

Oddly, James has no interest in Facebook or Twitter.

Pfizer is making exhorbitant profits off vaccines that seem to not work to stop transmission or illness, it seems Pfizer hid data and as a result fraudulently foisted the vax on unsuspecting Americans who assumed, like my 90 YO father, that the vax would confer immunity, not some nebulous claim it may lessen symptoms. Pfizer continues to push the vax, which at this point is like pushing a 1996 flu vax.

Oddly James has no interest in Pfizer.

Thes people just look insane as they are consumed by Trump derangement.

tim in vermont said...

"Admitting that Trump is guilty of more than one thing is a good start."

That's exactly how the prosecutors think. First they start with the assumption of guilt, then they comb through the testimony to try to create a process crime on theories every bit as outlandish as gadfly's.

Here is a ZeroHedge story about how the FBI planted a spy in Trump's organization over the Presidential Records Act. Also, all of these demands that Trump "show us the warrant if he's innocent!" Well the factual basis for the warrant is under seal and he is not allowed to see it. The story is a pretty good summary of what happened.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trumps-reveal-how-fbi-raid-went-down-former-prez-suggests-planted-evidence

There is also an old story in the Miami Herald about the Epstein case, and it turns out that the magistrate who signed off on the warrant had rented office space and created a company *In Epstein's building,* He did this *prior to quitting* as a US attorney on the case, and started representing targets of the investigation *the day after* he quit as US Attorney. He managed some pretty sweet immunity deals for some pretty awful human traffickers.

Sorry if I am repeating stuff that's been said, but I don't think that I can stomach the dishonesty from the usual suspects who know that this was a setup and an abuse of power, but like it because, right now, they have control of the secret police.

jim5301 said...

Achilles - I'm sort of surprised you have time to post here given your critical role in the civil war that should be starting any day now I believe. Minister of propaganda I presume? I recommend the The Goebbels Diary, but I'm sure you have a well worn copy. To quote from everyone's favorite Reich Minister:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Michael K said...

Freder is sure that the FBI raid was not to look for whistle blower evidence.

Is this like Hunter's laptop is "Russian Disinformation?"

It's funny how conspiracy theories come true if you wait long enough.

Admitting that Trump is guilty of more than one thing is a good start.

You and Letitia James, asshole.

tim in vermont said...

Here is a thread about a guy at the National Archives who had a huge bug up his ass about Trump, put the independent watchdog over his agency on administrative leave (at a cost of $400K), apparently to prevent oversight, and then proceeded to work day and night to create a crime by Trump, complete with the memos he wrote about Hilary's missing records, which didn't bother him very much at all whatsoever, and certainly did not work him up to the point of planting a spy at the Clinton Foundation.

Twitter thread

The rot in this govt goes so deep.

tim in vermont said...

This is a turnout generator for Republicans. I wasn't going to vote, now I will vote and send money.

tim in vermont said...

Did you know that acts of violence by white prison gangs are listed as right wing domestic terrorism, but black and Latino gang violence is not counted? That's your politicized FBI right there.

My money is on Joe Biden declaring a health 'emergency' prior to the election and suspending fraud protections that the states have put in place as a last desperate attempt to avoid oversight.

Maynard said...

I guess we now know what would have happened if Ross Perot or Ron Paul became President.

The duopoly cannot tolerate people messing up their grift.

Chris Lopes said...

"Blogger Inga said...

Trump playing the victim gets a huge response from his cult members. Trump, your cult leader, knows how to pluck you little cultists until you don’t have a feather left."

He's not my cult leader (that would be William Shatner), but it's really looking like TPTB are willing to destroy civil society to get at the bad orange man. This does not end with Orange the Clown. The next would be authoritarian who gets the big chair won't hesitate to use the tools and tactics that have been legitimized in the war against Trump. And he or she is likely to be better at it.

Inga said...

“And yet we are supposed to believe he was cooperating with the Feds on whatever they were looking for at Mar A Lago.

How stupid does he think we are?”

As stupid as his cultists?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

gadfly said...
Admitting that Trump is guilty of more than one thing is a good start.

Agreeing the NYC / DC juries are corrupt and can't be trusted is a good start.

I'm glad Trump has learned that

ronetc said...

I would like to request that every comment section begin with the notice "Temujin has or has not commented." It would save me a lot of scrolling time if Temujin has not posted.

Rollo said...

Yet Hillary wasn't prosecuted. The Bidens aren't being prosecuted. The Pelosis won't be prosecuted.

The opinions of talking heads change with who's in office. That's to be expected. What matters more is what governments do. The apparatus comes down hard on Trump. Others get a pass.

Mason G said...

"The rot in this govt goes so deep."

Unable to measure with existing technology.

Chris Lopes said...

"As stupid as his cultists?"

They aren't as stupid as the folks who think burning down a democracy is a small price to pay to get a philandering real estate tycoon, so they have that going for them.

Michael K said...

The FBI and DOJ are hiring, Freder and Inga. They badly need your brilliant supervision since the present administration is now running for cover.

The story concludes with another big revelation. It claims that AG Merrick Garland was being updated on the National Archives investigation and knew about the grand jury but did not approve the search Monday. Newsweek’s source claims Garland had “no prior knowledge” of the time of the raid. Instead it was FBI Director Christopher Wray who approved the search. Finally, the source adds, “It really is a case of the Bureau misreading the impact.”

Yeah, you two could fix this whole problem since you know exactly where the double secret documents are.

Michael K said...

How stupid does he think we are?”

Wow! That is a tough question ! I doubt he does unless he's been reading the comments here the last few years.

The Godfather said...

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Who said that? (Pres. Bill Clinton, in case you're too young to remember).
Speaking for myself, a Republican voter, I didn't think Bill Clinton was a bad President, but when I learned that the President of the US had committed outright perjury, I became a supporter of impeachment, and to this day I think the failure to remove him from office is a blot on our government.
But it gets worse. Ms. Clinton didn't just violate some technical rules about using the internet as Sec.State. She used her status as Sec.State to advance her personal interests and those of her suppoters, and then had her own lawyers wipe out the evidence. Everyone who pays attention knows that, right?
So is Trump a victim of unfair attacks by the Democrats, the Deep State, the Establishment? OF COURSE HE IS! The question for us is: What do we do about that?
In my opinion, Trump started the country on a lot of productive directions, and those projections need to be resumed by the next Republican President: Lower taxes, reformed regulations, less militaristic foreign policy.
But Trump isn't the one to do this, because he would be too involved in defending his own conduct and record. And frankly, he's not really very good at it.
Right now, I think DeSantis is the one to do this, but my mind is open to alternatve canditates.

Critter said...

Show me a liberal or progressive who would not do the same under advice of their lawyer. I’m waiting to see the pledges of liberals/progressives that they would never use the 5th Amendment when investigated by Republicans.

BTW, Michael Flynn’s great mistake was not invoking the 5th Amendment and refusing to speak to the FBI rats who were looking to entrap him in a process crime.

Mike said...

Trump had a point when he said "They are really after you. I'm just in the way."

Merick Garland and Christopher Wray (not to mention red faced John Brennan and Clapper) have created a deep state security force with all the worst features of the Gestapo and the Stasi combined. Fortunately so far (or at least I think so far) the have not added features from Papa Doc Duvaliers Ton Ton Macoutes--otherwise there'd be a lot of bodies in the street.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

tim in vermont said...
My money is on Joe Biden declaring a health 'emergency' prior to the election and suspending fraud protections that the states have put in place as a last desperate attempt to avoid oversight.

My money is on a nationwide injunction, that gets appealed up to SCOTUS, which says "no, you can't change the election rules right before an election"

As Option 2 is a whole bunch of dead people as righties decide to block the vote fraud by an means necessary, I consider it highly likely SCOTUS will go with Option 1.

Esp given the way they've ruled this year on every single gerrymandering lawsuit

wendybar said...

Inga said...


As stupid as his cultists?

8/10/22, 6:11 PM

The stupidest person on this blog is YOU, who still believe the propaganda the progressives and the media spewed to you. Look in the mirror to see the biggest fool of them all.

wendybar said...

Inga is so gullible, she would be the first to volunteer to step on the train....

Rusty said...

wendybar said...
"Inga is so gullible, she would be the first to volunteer to step on the train...."
Unhunh. She'd be the one loading the train. "Prisoner! Face forward! A step to the left or a step to the right and you will be shot!" She's orgasm over power like that.

Jamie said...

To quote from everyone's favorite Reich Minister:

[Sympathetic hand on arm] Congratulations, jim5301, the first step is admitting that you have a problem.

Gravel said...

I would absolutely treat any 'civil' complaint brought against me by a government official as a criminal complaint, and respond accordingly. And so would every lefty jackwagon commenting here. No, I don't care at all that Trump said stupid things in the past. I'm glad he's finally saying something not stupid.

Freder Frederson said...

Well the factual basis for the warrant is under seal and he is not allowed to see it. The story is a pretty good summary of what happened.

I see what you did there! Go ahead and pretend the factual basis for the warrant and the actual warrant is the same thing.

Like I said to Michael K. How stupid do you think I am?

Freder Frederson said...

Freder is sure that the FBI raid was not to look for whistle blower evidence.

No, you offered a bet that the FBI was looking for whistle blower evidence. I said I was willing to take the bet.

And now you are backing off the bet.

Freder Frederson said...

But it gets worse. Ms. Clinton didn't just violate some technical rules about using the internet as Sec.State. She used her status as Sec.State to advance her personal interests and those of her suppoters, and then had her own lawyers wipe out the evidence. Everyone who pays attention knows that, right?

And the exact same thing could be said about Trump (assuming he was too stupid or arrogant to bother to declassify the documents he took). And why the fuck did Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have jobs in the White House?

TeaBagHag said...

Cult 45 in here are grasping at straws trying to quell their cognitive dissonance.
Maybe the latest Q drip, breitbart or OAN broadcast has the answer; something, something…….nothing to see here; the left rapes babies.