That's a headline at WaPo for a piece by Matt Viser.
Subheadline: "Biden’s associates say he will feel compelled to run if Trump does. If that rematch materializes, Biden said recently, ‘I would not be disappointed.'"
That was published at 5 this morning. I read it just after seeing this new poll by the Trafalgar Group:
If the 2024 presidential election were held today and Joe Biden and Donald Trump were your choices, for whom would you vote?
- Donald Trump — 47.9%
- Joe Biden — 42.6%
- Undecided — 9.6%
From the WaPo piece: "Biden was motivated to run for office in large part because he saw himself as best positioned to defeat Donald Trump. He still considers knocking Trump out of the White House one of his major contributions to America’s welfare. And with Trump looming as the potential Republican nominee... Biden maintains that he is still best positioned to beat him."
What if he's right? What if the Democrats actually do not have anyone stronger than Biden to put up against Trump?
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"I would not be disappointed" - ===== "the cheat machine still holds"
Gerard Baker in the WSJ today: Biden hasn't lost it. He never had it.
Mutual Assured Destruction
What if the Democrats actually do not have anyone stronger than Biden to put up against Trump?
They don't need someone "stronger than Biden". They just need to be the ones counting the votes.
He's right. You go Brandon.
"What if he's right? What if the Democrats actually do not have anyone stronger than Biden to put up against Trump? "
Well...Hillary is considering another run at it, especially if it's against Trump.
JB Pritzker who, aside from his Hyatt family wealth more closely resembles Pizza the Hut than the Gov of Illinois, has his eyes on the prize.
And Petey B. An absolutely strong progressive manboy choice for Prez.
Or Kamala. For those who love salads. Word salads.
And of course Gavin, because Haircut.
This is as weak as the Detroit Tigers lineup card tonight. It's a pathetic group. Their best hope is that Canada invades the US.
The Democrats do, but the leadership is so corrupt they wont let anyone outside the status quo have an opportunity, that's why Newsom has been groomed for the last decades for keeping the System going i to new generations, but he is very flawed as a candidate. California has a bad national reputation, Newsom couldn't get more white and privileged, but he has already been anointed now that Harris couldn't live up to the role.
Pelosi keeps control and so she has to be out of the picture before there's real capable up and comers again.
Now imagine that poll taken in 2024 when Biden is 82.
Biden will never face Donald Trump in another election.
Desperate for clicks, the WaPo keeps invoking Trump's name, to the detriment of all.
It's impossible to believe that an aging, unpopular president during a bleak economy would be the best chance Democrats have to beat Trump. I think the party and its media arm will elevate an fresh alternative not currently on the radar.
After 30 years of fruitless efforts, Biden walked through the one door to the presidency available to him: The desire for a safe, career politician who looked competent and stable in comparison to Trump. That door has closed.
Neither...just as in 2020.
>Ann Althouse said...
What if he's right? What if the Democrats actually do not have anyone stronger than Biden to put up against Trump? <
Unless some new Democrat champion, of whom I am unaware, approaches soon from the horizon, he is right. The 2020 Democratic primaries established that, didn't it? (He was dumb and demented then, too.)
Trump reduced his own approval rating by 5% to 10% merely through never ending rudeness and crass comments. That's all fully known, as is the Jan 6 stuff. So, this is profoundly bad news for the Democrats, as "Teflon Don" is still more popular than "Least Offensive Piece of White Bread Joe"!
The last 6 years taught us all about the differences between personalities and policies. Trump's personality is bad but his policies were often popular. Biden's policies are unpopular and his personality is disappearing along with his memory. It's decision time for the Never Trump and the Resistance cohorts: Policies or personalities?
What if the Democrats actually do not have anyone stronger than Biden to put up against Trump?
They do not. Which is why they are begging to clear the field now so candidates can emerge and have time to strengthen their candidacy.
But to do so they will have to take shots at Biden and his Administration, which will lead to greater infighting and less public confidence.
To quote Hyman Roth: This is the business the Democratic Party has chosen!
"He still considers knocking Trump out of the White House one of his major contributions to protecting the corrupt Swamp."
FIFY
Biden's popularity in 2020 was based on being a "normal" Democrat versus the progressives like Bernie and Warren. After taking office his handlers have sent him on the super progressive path, convincing him that that is what most Democrats want. Add to it all the botched stuff like Afghanistan withdrawal, bad monetary policy, baby formula debacle, etc. and he has lost a small but significant portion his previous voters. He won't beat Trump, but he has the best chance against Trump versus another strong candidate. That is why he wants to run against Trump. That is why the party and the press are now trying to ease him out. It's subtle now only because they don't want Harris either. The withdrawal of Biden must be timed in order to get other viable candidates involved rather than paving the way for the VP.
He kept harping on how 94% of those who voted for him would do so again. If it were 90%, he would lose. So 94% isn't as great as it sounds.
"What if the Democrats actually do not have anyone stronger than Biden to put up against Trump?"
Then they have an unsolvable problem.
Bill de Blasio and Anthony Weiner?
Hillary and Kamala?
The real problem for Republicans is going to be the little mice nibbling around the edges: the Nevertrumpers, Chamber Cheats, and dissembling leftitarians.
"If the 2024 presidential election were held today and Joe Biden and Donald Trump were your choices, for whom would you vote? "
I know you didn't intend that to be funny, but I thought of our usual suspects and laughed. Knowing full well they would again vote for our national embarrassment, Joe Biden. Again.
Which would I vote for? Trump. Of course. A real asshole. Like my cardiologist. Trump was good for the country though. My cardiologist is good for me. Biden is good for nothing.
You'll notice none of the usual suspects will come here and defend Biden without a heavy helping of gaslighting.
Will Biden live that long? If he didn't, would that disqualify him? I don't believe there's anything in the Constitution about having a pulse.
Democrats are famous for dead voters, but a dead candidate? Why not? It could really drive voter turnout. After all, the dead are Democrats' largest constituency group, outnumbering the living 5 to 1.
Joe Biden 2024
New Hope For The Dead
We need Trump because nobody else will clean out the corruption that is building in Congress. When they let criminals who firebomb police cars...because they don't want to effect his immigration status, or Left wing activists from Steven Colberts show who were told to leave the Capitol, but returned and snuck in...and were filming near Republicans offices, and they get let go FREE, whilst there are Trump supporters still rotting in the DC gulag for over a year, (after getting ushered in by the Capitol police) WHY have laws, when Progressives don't follow them?? We need somebody who will CLEAN THIS SHIT UP. McCarthy, McConnell and most of the rest of the Republicans WON'T do it. They will back down and cave as they always do, so they look like they can go along to get along. Nothing is ever going to change so get used to two tiers of justice in this country. Keep your powder dry as they say.
Robert Cook said...
Neither...just as in 2020.
Keep up the good work.
Robert Cook said...Neither...just as in 2020.
Serious question. Who would you like to see running?
Enigma: "It's decision time for the Never Trump and the Resistance cohorts: Policies or personalities?"
NeverTrump is firmly established amongst the democraticals. All of them.
Which is where they have always belonged but were able to carry on their DC grift act as "true conservatives" for far too long.
Those lefty billionaires and lefty tech firms long ago bought the services of these idiots.
So, Trump needs Joe to run against and Joe needs Trump to be the one guy Dems will trust him to run against. Like 2 over-the-hill heavyweights propping each other up. (Think Patterson v. Liston.)
But how is Joe's bunker rope-a-dope strategy supposed to work now he's in the full glare of the Presidency? He's gonna need Fauci to institute a 2 year lockdown this November, covering Joe's retreat to the bat-cave. Mail-in ballots only safe way to conduct the 2024 election. Yeah, that could work.
"President Biden for most of his life has engaged in a near-quadrennial regimen of deciding whether he can, should or will run for president — giving perhaps more thought, over a longer period of time, to that question than anyone in American history."
This paragraph unwittingly encapsulates everything that is wrong with Joe Biden.
Joe Biden spends a lot of time thinking about Joe Biden - not you. He spends a lot of time thinking about what's good for Joe Biden. Not you.
There are zero articles or columns coming out of the Washington Post/New York Times corridor about Joe Biden thinking for 40 years about how to tame inflation, or reduce food prices for the hungry, or eliminate Russia's influence, or reduce the housing crisis by constraining interest rates.
Joe Biden doesn't spend time thinking about those things. If he was doing that ... then the Washington Post hagiographies would be about him thinking about those things.
No, Joe Biden thinks, perhaps more thought over a longer period of time, to how can Joe Biden can benefit Joe Biden.
The only thing the primaries of 2020 demonstrated was that the Democratic leadership, when they want to, can push anyone to the nomination by simply telling everyone else to stop running. Biden would have been done after the Super Tuesday primaries if everyone else still in the race had continued running their campaigns through the end of that night. The leadership took the choice away from their primary voters and ordered all the other candidates not named Bernie Sanders to endorse Biden. They can do this again with any candidate they choose to run in 2024, and I suspect they will. Newsom looks to me to be the one they are grooming for the job.
On Trump- I think he can win in 2024 against whoever the Democrats put up as long as the mail-in-voting subsides back to the level it was in 2016, but I don't expect that to happen, and we will learn a great deal this coming November as I know the Democrats and DoJ are going to try to force universal mail-in-voting through the court systems starting in September. They intend to stuff the ballot boxes again to get control of the Senate and to hold the House by stealing all the remaining Republican seats in California.
The battle of the really old and the aging coot. Be still my beating heart!
I'm betting that DeSantis could take The Donald in the primaries in 2024---and that Brandon will need assistance in dressing and eating his oatmeal by then. So DeSantis versus the Brylcreem Boy from the Bay.
He still considers knocking Trump out of the White House one of his major contributions to America’s welfare.
That suggest that Trump isn't the only one for whom the rivalry is personal. Biden's assumption during the last campaign that it was ridiculous and insulting to his dignity that a 50-year political veteran had to compete against a rank amateur was one of his less attractive qualities, an indication that Mr. Empathy And Relatability was actually an arrogant S.O.B.
Dems will not be able to cheat in Wisconsin rolling the SC ruling that drop boxes are illegal, in Arizona and Georgia with itheir election reforms, etc. no cheating and Dems lose the swing states and the election. Besides, by then Biden’s corruption will ne exposed by Congress under Republican control and Americans’ economic situation will only be worse. No chance for Biden to beat Trump for the first time.
okay it's 2024 and The Donald asks; "Are you better off, that you were 4 years ago? Or Worse?"
The Voters go to the polls.. At 11pm on Poll night; it's The Donald by 23 percent.
Of course, THEN the poll watchers are sent home..
And by 4am, it's BIDEN! with 190 million out of 170 million votes cast..
This assumes that there will not be a spoiler independent/third party candidate. If Trump is the nominee, expect a strong push for a third candidate. Also, expect all the Trumpers to be giant crybabies when it happens.
What did Marx and Engles have to say about Europe? Something about a spectre... well, Joe Biden ought to worry about that gaunt agricultural fellow I've noticed following him around. I don't believe he works for the Secret Service.
This Matt Viser piece is just the tip of the iceberg. If Biden were something other than a demented political hack he'd realize his real enemies are Democrats. The Republicans just want to impeach Biden. He'd get a fair shake in an impeachment trial - more than fair. The Democrats want him dead.
Spiritually, physically
Positively, absolutely
Undeniably and reliably dead!
A thoroughly dead Biden is the best of all likely outcomes for the Democratic Party. Biden the corpse clears the way for several ambitious poltroons, most notably Pete the Electrician and Beto the Texas Twerp, who otherwise might draw the attention of Garland's Gestapo if they challenge a warm Biden with a detectable pulse. A dead Biden removes the embarrassments of a living Biden and creates opportunities for heroic fantasies like the Horst-Wessel-Leid and various George Floyd gangstas to motivate the stormtroopers and confuse the unwary.
Coming in October, on or about the 24th: the FBI will announce the arrest of a conservative "gun nut" on a charge of plotting the assassination of the President.
Tulsi Gabbard
If past history is an indication, Democrats will say they can't do that because the sexist Republicans will never vote for her and will run another old white guy.
Trump is barely a Republican. I remember reading in 2016 some of his kids couldn't vote for him because they were registered Democrats. Had the Democrats run a better candidate in 2016, he probably would not have won. Does he have a huge MAGA following? Absolutely. Do any of them cringe as some of the things he says? Many of them do - as do people who supported him 2016 only because he was not Hillary Clinton.
Both Trump and Biden have made comments about "THE REMATCH" between them being important. If two old men want a grudge match, let them play golf.
Tulsi Gabbard has some baggage in relation to LGBT+ but it was largely from her 20's and she has addressed them already. She still opposes men playing women's sports but so do a lot of Americans. She is a veteran and deployed to Iraq and Kuwait. She has called out people in her own party on issues so she has some guts.
Some people will have problems with her ethnicity and her religion but there will always be people who respond that way. Based on the WIKI page I just read she is a Vegan so we won't have to watch the tired old campaign spots we see each year of candidates at the county fairs.
If she were male and Lutheran, she would probably be considered a contender in both parties with her experience.
I am a registered Republican and don't agree with her on much but certainly on more than any other Democrat being discussed. I don't expect to agree with politicians on every thing, but I do want to have the sense they are ready for the 3 AM phone calls. (BTW I am also over 65 so I am concerned about candidate's age and cognitive abilities.)
Let's shake this presidential campaign 2024 up. Force people to address some of these stereotypes and actually have them look at issues.
Gabbard against Trump - I actually think he wouldn't do it. He would come up with some statement to justify bailing and not try it. Gabbard against DeSantis - politics might be fun again.
Unless some new Democrat champion, of whom I am unaware, approaches soon from the horizon, he is right. The 2020 Democratic primaries established that, didn't it? (He was dumb and demented then, too.)
Yes, but that was before he actually had to govern. If the economy turns around (don't everyone act like you know it can't...you don't) then he has a chance in a rematch.
Skewed pol: they over-sampled democrats by 30% (at least)
Can Joe run in 2024 if he's removed in 2023 under the 25th Amendment? If they hurry up and remove him this year, he can run 2 more times!
Trump is the most popular and successful president in the last 100 years by all objective measures.
He got more legitimate votes than any other person to run.
He brought middle east peace.
He raised the wages of the bottom 50% of the income curve against inflation for the first time in decades.
He is far more popular with the average working person than he is with a bunch of political junkies on web logs.
I will be interested to see what the Regime tries to do to stop him.
"weighs heavily"
Haha. See what they did there.
Anyway, incumbency. You don't take on your party's incumbent. At least, not this early.
Pundits are always in such a hurry.
DJT - Eight Days a Week
’He still considers knocking Trump out of the White House one of his major contributions to America’s welfare.’
As if I needed any more proof that Brandon’s an imbecile.
(The Dems are) as weak as the Detroit Tigers lineup card
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I haven't even read the article. I can't get past the weird mixed metaphors of "eyes" and "weighs." That just seems so odd and kind of, I don't know, gross? Am I the only one who thinks that is just the strangest sentence? Seems like the WaPo is badly in need of new editors.
I think Trump is also too old and obsessed with 2020. The problem is that he may be the only one in either party who is trusted by most voters. DeSantis looks good, so far. We don't know if something is revealed in his past. The FL election should smoke out anything serious. I'm not sure anyone can right the ship at this stage. The loony wing of the Democrats, which seems to be in charge, has wrecked the country too thoroughly.
According to the J6 Committee the 47% of these respondents supporting Trump are people who also support violent insurrection and want to overthrow our government and democracy. They are NOT interested in verifiable, open and auditable election results. They are just conspiracy theorists who have fallen victim to the Big Lie. Even Prince Harry agrees.
The voter fraud allegations are just their excuse to threaten our democracy. Let’s hope the J6 committee can indict Trump and get rid of him, so we don’t have to leave it up to these idiots again by allowing them to vote for the person of their choice.
We’ve got a democracy to protect here.
Trump is rude and crass? Ok- even granting that, who cares? You're not inviting him over for your backyard bbq, you know. Do you care about the personality of the guy who works on your car more than his ability to properly fix it?
LMAFO
Carter came out of nowhere in '75, so the Dems we see now may not be the ones we'll get. Don't think it'll be Pete, tho it'd be fun to say First Husband before there's a female President. On that point, why not unhinge the Dems with a 3-fer: female, black, smart: Condoleeza. She's 67, Hoover can do w/o her and we haven't had a First Nobody since Buchanan.
Biden won the Presidency by the most popular votes in US history, while Trump is characterized by the press as a menace to democracy. Are there many people saying they voted for Biden but now think they made a mistake and should have voted for Trump? I don't think so, or at least I haven't heard that said outloud.
The thing is, Biden got the country to this current level of misery by doing...exactly what the progs wanted him to do. And they are mad at him for not doing more of it.
The rest of the country just wants them to stop it and go away.
Or as the wags say about "Build Back Better!"--please just leave it the way you found it.
It's decision time for the Never Trump and the Resistance cohorts: Policies or personalities?
It's policy. No more:
-Taking family farms and giving it to Taiwanese conmen.
-Unconstitutional national eviction moratoria using "his pen and his phone"
- No more massive welfare ("stimulus") checks that led to runaway inflation.
How long can the chemists work Joes limited efficacy juicing? If no pandemic to justify basement dwelling with prompter, he'd be expected to actually campaign.
While we're talking efficacy, how long can Trump bloviate on the amazing success of the recklessly unleashed jabs? He's likely too big a blockhead to pivot on that.
RoseAnne: "Trump is barely a Republican"
Donald Trump delivered the most conservative governance/policies in our lifetimes and fought for traditional conservatives in ways no other modern republican has.
Perhaps that's what is bugging you.
D.D. Driver: "This assumes that there will not be a spoiler independent/third party candidate. If Trump is the nominee, expect a strong push for a third candidate. Also, expect all the Trumpers to be giant crybabies when it happens."
Naturally, back in the real world, the best example of being giant crybabies over 3rd party candidates occurred on the democratical/nevertrump/lefty (but I repeat myself) side with Jill Stein.
I'm not surprised in the least Driver would project onto republicans that which the dems have already done in spades.
Just another reason why all those tacos are walking away from the democraticals.
"Do you care about the personality of the guy who works on your car more than his ability to properly fix it?"
A good general argument, but the trouble is that the President doesn't actually fix anything. A President leads a team of people, so he has to choose the right people, and he also has to bring along people to work out fixing things who might not agree with him on a number of issues.
Being likeable isn't about inviting someone to a party. It's about being able to understand people and find ways to maneuver them into going the direction you think is right. It also means avoiding giving people ample ammunition to excuse not doing things that they don't want to do, but don't have good reasons. Trump had a lot of good policy directions, that in hindsight show he knows how to read situations. He was arrogant enough to not give into the standard media/Left positions. But he didn't know how to take all his goals to a conclusion. He picked wrong people, left opposition in his administration make major errors or complications, didn't know how to pick battles for the sake of the major goals so would make his own destructive complications.
Reagan, in contrast, made bold steps but also could read people and made more than just his fervent followers open to defending him, even when he also made mistakes.
We're not hiring a CEO or king, whose whims and policies are all that counts. We elect someone for politics, and politics involves knowing people and being likeable so that people are convinced to go along even if they have reservations.
Trump ultimately wasn't good at his job because he had record low unemployment, a strong economy, a potent foreign policy, all the metrics were good but he lost (or at least was within the margin of cheating) because of his personality and lack of likeability. It's the thing that again and again foiled all his plans and goals, so should definitely be taken into account going forward.
Polls favoring Trump are dangerous for the GOP.
Of course, I prefer DJT over any Dem. But he is a clown and a losing loser. He failed to stop the deep state, anticipate election trouble, or seal the border. He fumbled on the virus big time. He lost to FJB.
We need a winner. Maybe someone even Althouse and the Althouses can support.
Quaestor: "Coming in October, on or about the 24th: the FBI will announce the arrest of a conservative "gun nut" on a charge of plotting the assassination of the President."
No way!
It will be a gang of conservative "gun nuts" that the FBI will "discover" (lol) and arrest. It will have all the earmarks of the Hoax Hutaree Militia & Whitmer Kidnapping Hoax "cases", not to mention the Sayoc "case" and the Jan 5/6 "pipe bomber" and Jan 6 "insurrection".
Can you imagine the internal competition within the FBI right now to be the FBI agent who does the best job in setting up the next FBI hoax to serve the democraticals right before the election?
The FBI agent/agents who win that contest will be able to write their own tickets within our completely and utterly corrupted FBI bureaucracy.
Biden has really dellivered on being a uniter.
Rosalyn, conversely, have you heard Biden voters praising Joementia?
In my circles, those folks have suddenly avoided discussion.
Tell us what he has done correctly to warrant some sort of silent happiness with foisting this train wreck upon us.
osalyn C. said...
Biden won the Presidency by the most popular votes in US history, while Trump is characterized by the press as a menace to democracy. Are there many people saying they voted for Biden but now think they made a mistake and should have voted for Trump? I don't think so, or at least I haven't heard that said outloud.
I have. So far I hear 20%.
...Left wing activists from Steven Colberts show who were told to leave the Capitol, but returned and snuck in...and were filming near Republicans offices, and they get let go FREE...
YES, THIS OUTRAGE IS BEING COVERED UP BY THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA! COLBERT MUST BE STOPPED! BLAH BLAH BLAH! BLAH BLAH BLAH!
Cheryl, I'm with you; that sentence brought up imagery that couldn't have been intended. My first thought, actually, was Chesterton's "A monster made of eyes." Something with eyes; something else ponderous, weighty . . .
"Coming in October, on or about the 24th: the FBI will announce the arrest of a conservative "gun nut" on a charge of plotting the assassination of the President."
We await.
Wait, wait. They forgot to poll the millions of suddenly to be voted ballots stored up for 3:AM the day after voting by real voters.
If there was a Trump v Biden rematch and Biden won the EC, there would be riots that would make the George Floyd riots look mild. States would try to secede. The Dems know this. That’s why Sheryl Sandberg will be the nominee.
I really think that the Democrats could have beaten Donald Trump with anyone at all. In fact, they did. Their problem was always that they just couldn't settle on a candidate. They finally picked an empty candidate and that was what they wanted.
They could do that again. There is no earthly reason why they need Joe Biden.
You watch, Biden’s gonna pull a Ruth Bader Ginsburg and stay too long. Dems know it because bThen know Biden nature so they are now pulling out all the stops to get him to announce he’s a one-termer … which he’ll be either way.
You watch, Biden’s gonna pull a Ruth Bader Ginsburg and stay too long. Dems know it because bThen know Biden nature so they are now pulling out all the stops to get him to announce he’s a one-termer … which he’ll be either way.
Rosalyn C. said...Are there many people saying they voted for Biden but now think they made a mistake and should have voted for Trump? I don't think so
Enough to change the outcome if polling around Hunter's laptop is accurate.
'Robert Cook said...Neither...just as in 2020.'
"Serious question. Who would you like to see running?"
And remember, Lenin is dead.
"Undecided" wins because Trump and Biden will not be among the 2024 candidates. Why would anyone think a poll for an election more than 2 years away could possibly have any accuracy?
Are there many people saying they voted for Biden but now think they made a mistake and should have voted for Trump? I don't think so, or at least I haven't heard that said outloud.
All my in-laws have Biden regrets.
Can Joe run in 2024 if he's removed in 2023 under the 25th Amendment? If they hurry up and remove him this year, he can run 2 more times!
Show us where the twenty-fifth amendment removes Biden from office.
Can Joe run in 2024 if he's removed in 2023 under the 25th Amendment? If they hurry up and remove him this year, he can run 2 more times!
Show us where the twenty-fifth amendment removes Biden from office.
I hope Biden wins fairly.
so Americans in hell-basket will be well deserved.
I think Trump is also too old and obsessed with 2020.
No surprise, I agree with a Michael K. Trump in two years will be a vastly more energetic and “with it” person than Joe Biden in 2020, but I want to know how he’s going to fix the mess Joe Biden has made of the economy. I want to know how he thinks he can stalemate Putin in Ukraine. I want to know how he plans to do a better job selecting subordinates than he did in 2017. I want him to run against the entire Democrat Party, especially Nancy Pelosi. And that’s for starters. But I don’t see how he can do all that if he’s mostly focused on how he let himself get screwed in 2020.
And I think that by 2028 he’ll be way past exhausted.
Drago writes, "No way!"
I agree and disagree.
The first arrest will involve one man -- white, (of course) a Protestant evangelical, (goes w/o saying), and a prominent Trump supporter whose collection of MAGA-themed apparel will rival his collection of firearms.
More arrests will follow every second day to keep the story fast-moving, titillating, and logic-free. Clear-thinking observers will suspect Merrick Garland has been covertly replaced by Michael Bay.
BINGO
"Undecided" wins because Trump and Biden will not be among the 2024 candidates. Why would anyone think a poll for an election more than 2 years away could possibly have any accuracy?
EXACTLY even if the two seniors are available a poll now is ludicrous, just a conversation piece c'mon man Ya got to have something else to do? how bout them Yankees.
It's silly for Biden to assert that he matches up PARTICULARLY well against Trump as compared to other potential dem candidates. Biden is several years older than Trump, less energetic, and is a complete failure as a senator and a president. I don't like Buttigieg, for example, but he would obviously represent a stronger alternative to Trump than Biden would. Frankly, almost any dem who hasn't already been president would be a stronger candidate than Biden because at least there would be the hope of greater success than Biden has achieved.
They intend to stuff the ballot boxes again to get control of the Senate and to hold the House by stealing all the remaining Republican seats in California.
The Democrats will have some difficulty doing that since the Republican occupied Congressional districts in California — few as they are — are in areas where Republicans (in places heavily) dominate. I now reside in such an area in such a district (Congressional District 1) in the far north of Calif. (Siskiyou County) — plus I've applied to be a poll worker in the upcoming election — so it'll be interesting seeing it from within.
[Biden] still considers knocking Trump out of the White House one of his major contributions to America’s welfare.
It is only the US taxpayers that contribute to welfare... Biden and Congress distribute the welfare.
Naturally, back in the real world, the best example of being giant crybabies over 3rd party candidates occurred on the democratical/nevertrump/lefty (but I repeat myself) side with Jill Stein.
I'm thinking something more like Ross Perot. Hell, the major networks might even decide to invite third party challengers to the debates if it helps defeat Trump.
"Serious question. Who would you like to see running?"
I can't say. Believe it or not, I don't really follow politics much, such that I don't know who in Congress might actually be a good candidate for President. I have just voted Green Party the past 24 years because the nominees for each major party have all been dismal. (I think our elections should require "None of the above" be made a voting choice, and if that choice obtains a certain percentage of votes, the election should be called for no one, and the whole thing should be done over with completely new candidates.)
One major party politician I like (from what I've seen so far of videos of her questioning people in Congressional hearings) is Katie Porter, a state Representative from California. I also like what I read about her on her website. If I had to pick a major party candidate I would like to see run, based on what I know know, it is Congressperson Porter.
Fourteenth Amendment says the insurrection aid and comfort provided by Trump banishing him from the office.
RoseAnne said...
Tulsi Gabbard
I have often daydreamed about world where she was president.
As a Republican, she's about the only Democrat in 30 years I've considered voting for.
What are the top 3 Republican arguments against her; and the top 3 Democratic arguments as well?
Big Mike: "@Drago, point of information. Referring to Hispanics as “tacos” is a serious insult. Jill Biden might get away with it (or has she?), but you ain’t Jill Biden."
Contradicting DOCTOR(!!!) Jill Biden is a misogynistic patriarchal attack....H8tr....
47-42 is not beyond the Democrats margin of cheating. They are keeping Covid around for the mid-terms, and if that works they think they can keep it around through 2024. They have not yet realized that if they pull off a massive cheat in 2022, there will be a shooting civil war by January. We should not have let them get away with it in 2020, it only encouraged them to believe they could cheat any amount and get away with it. Think about it. Mail in ballots went from 24 percent to 45 percent. Of the total vote. Total bullshit. Me, I think we need to go back to voting on election day...and dip your right forefinger into purple ink. THAT will give you a fair election. Early voting with an excuse such as travel, and mail in ballots for military and diplomatic personnel. That is it. Then we can have free, fair elections.
By threatening to put Trump in jail, the democrats are assuring Trump runs again...
Washington is over-reach town.
---Serious question. Who would you like to see running?
Stalin, comrade! But he will only admit to Trotsky.
Arguments against Gabbard:
1. Favors closing down current Nuke power plants and certainly no new ones.
2. Fabors "assault weapon" bans.
3. Few limits, if any, on abortion AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. This is a matter for individual
states.
4. Proposes "breaking patents" on drugs. Another word for this is theft. And without
patents, WHO EXACTLY as Peterson would say, is going to finance new drug treatment
research?
5. Proposes Medicare for ALL, in other words, the Canadian system, and we all know how well
that works.
6. Citizenship path for DACA illegals.
7. Slash the defense budget.
I would have a hard time choosing which of the 7 are the top 3, but all of them are deal breakers. She is at least sane, I will give her that much. But like all Democrats, there is that "I want something to be true, so it must be true" mentality.
@Achilles: You correctly listed Donald Trump's accomplishments. Then you said this: "I will be interested to see what the Regime tries to do to stop him." But haven't we been seeing precisely this for the last six yaars?
@Robert Cook: "I think our elections should require 'None of the above' be made a voting choice, and if that choice obtains a certain percentage of votes, the election should be called for no one, and the whole thing should be done over with completely new candidates." For once I agree with you.
Blogger Drago said...
RoseAnne: "Trump is barely a Republican"
My answer was incomplete. I also think Trump was barely a Democratic when he was registered as one. He was/is a businessman in a heavily Democratic city and state. He played both parties to improve the bottom line. He was neither the first nor he will be the last to do so.
Donald Trump delivered the most conservative governance/policies in our lifetimes and fought for traditional conservatives in ways no other modern republican has.
I agree with you actually. That's why I chose to vote for him the second time. I don't think he would try to enact climate change through executive orders. It's going to kill the bottom line. I have no doubt there will be too many lawsuits to count to try and stop it.
Thanks for taking a minute to answer my question, Cook. I've just been wondering what Dem leaning voters, who don't want to vote Biden, are thinking these days.
Can't comment on your choice because I've never heard of Porter and know nothing about her. Probably not my cup of tea though, being a Cali Dem.
What happened to Liz Warren? Don't hear anybody calling for her to come back. Probably it's that Subaru with Wisconsin plates vibe she gives off. Nobody willingly gets behind a Subaru with Wisconsin plates.
’One major party politician I like is Katie Porter.’
Preparatory: Phillips (Andover)
Undergraduate: Yale
JD: Harvard
Just a humble member of the proletariat, right, Cookie?
Blogger Howard said...
Fourteenth Amendment says the insurrection aid and comfort provided by Trump banishing him from the office.
You lefties are trying hard with your J6 infomercial but it won't work. You are making it MORE likely that he will run and win.
If the election is called for no one, then nobody would be President and the functions of the executive would be carried out by a committee.I submit that this is the situation we have now.
1:36 - Big Mike
Indeed.
Talk of a third party candidate like Ross Perot to fracture the Republican is silly. Trump is the Ross Perot candidate. The problem for the Democrats is they have no one in the bench that is better than Biden. The Democrats are the progressive party, not the democrat party. If only Trump would shut up and only discuss the country's problems and what he would o if reelected. Also he is blowing his strategy of endorsing candidates for Congress who would support his agenda by being so thin skinned and so subject to flattery. Had he used his businessman brain instead of his ego he would be a tidal wave president if elected.
“ Will Biden live that long? If he didn't, would that disqualify him? I don't believe there's anything in the Constitution about having a pulse”
Saw something the other day by a physician who deals a lot with dementia and the like. Biden should be in a rest home with a stress free environment. He isn’t. Instead, no matter how hard they try to buffer him from it, the Presidency is a high stress environment. He sees FJB sliding, maybe more quickly than if we’re facing less stress. Statistically, he likely wouldn’t be alive in 2028. And quoting his teleprompter to repeat his last lines shows a serious degradation in mental facilities. It’s probably unlikely right now that he could even pretend mental competence by election 2024. As I noted, his slide in the last year and a half has been very noticeable.
It would be funny if Trump baits Biden into announcing he will run, keeping any Democrat that has a chance from entering the race, and then steps back and endorses DeSantis. (It would be even funnier if he stayed in and beat Biden, but I don't know if I can handle four years of riots and bullshit.)
Howard: "Fourteenth Amendment says the insurrection aid and comfort provided by Trump banishing him from the office."
Hey dummy! You forgot to include the part where Trump commandeered the Beast, pushed the Secret Service Agents out while speeding away and then driving to the capital and running over and killing AOC (its the 17th time she's been murdered by republicans!) while yelling "This is MAGA Country", grabbing an innocent and trustworthy and objective journalist's subway sandwich and putting a lasso around his/her's neck!!
If you're going to continue pushing these stupid transparent lies, why not go all the way and at least make it interesting?
AOC will be of age in 2024. God help us.
Hate trumps love and certainly trumps gratitude, and an intellectual hatred is the worst. People who liked Trump and appreciated his achievements were squishier and less committed than people who hated him. I suspect the Democrats may get rid of Biden, and then say that things have gotten better and you don't want big bad vulgar Trump coming back. That and some "election fortifying" may drag their candidate across the finish line.
"(It would be even funnier if he stayed in and beat Biden, but I don't know if I can handle four years of riots and bullshit.)"
'Round these parts, there wouldn't be any riots. And if the bullshit kept the federal government busy dealing with that instead of thinking up more ways to fuck with people, I'd call that a plus.
William50: "AOC will be of age in 2024. God help us."
At her current rate of "claimed deaths by murder", AOC will have been killed 17,582 times by 2024.
"(It would be even funnier if he stayed in and beat Biden, but I don't know if I can handle four years of riots and bullshit.)"
Yes, the Democrats have become the "Vietnam War Vet" on the street who wants a sawbuck to leave you alone.
Trump was a deal maker and had surprising proto-success on the world stage, but the entrenched State and DOD would sabotage all because they were offended that their own aged out ideas were replaced by something successful. Innovation is not a feature of the State Dept.
What Trump lacked was a cadre of political professionals raised in the fire that had signed on with him. You get those kind of people as a state rep and as a Governor.
Sad when you read in new books about the DOD and NHS quietly defying Trumps orders about many things (Afghanistan) and lying to him, while the media says Trump is the liar.
Kind of like old Andy Jackson, who stole the country from the Philadelphia, Manhattan, and VA elites. And gave it to the People.
Mason G said
Trump is rude and crass? Ok- even granting that, who cares? You're not inviting him over for your backyard bbq, you know. Do you care about the personality of the guy who works on your car more than his ability to properly fix it?
I don't. Unfortunately, some do, and make decisions based upon it.
If Biden & the Dems continue the screw-up streak they're on, there's a chance it won't matter.
Blogger William50 said...
AOC will be of age in 2024. God help us.
While it's best to be cautious, I don't see her being a genuine threat.
Everything she does is "performance theater," it's all about her brand & her ego. She has ZERO legislative accomplishments; there's nothing about her which indicates she has any depth whatsoever.
She'd be a formidable candidate for President of the Faculty Lounge . . . that's about where it ends, IMO.
Drag Oh: It's not a lie if Merrick Garland railroads Blubba Trump. Love those DC juries.
as RoseAnne points out, the democrats HAVE a can't lose candidate.. Tulsi Gabbard
If she ran as a democrat, she get (probably) over 60% of the vote
(ALL the demos, most of the indies, and a LOT of the republicans)
As Tim (or somebody?) pointed out; she's a dyed in the wool democrat, and supports basically EVERYTHING AOC does.. But; i'd STILL vote for her ('cause she's pretty), and most everyone else would too.. Because: She Seems SANE
But; of course, the democrats would NEVER allow her because she is a vet or whatever it is that they have against her ('cause she's pretty?)
Brad said...
Everything she does is "performance theater,"
HOW can you say that, after watching her being placed in handcuffs, and DRAGGED AWAY BY HER HAIR?
Don't you Realize? She was KILLED TODAY?? (for the 102,342,145th time)
Tim said...
Arguments against Gabbard....
Thanks for answering. Your list lines up with things I don't like (from her presidential platform), but there's nothing much outside the norm for any Democrat, which is why I don't support them.
Nevertheless, she just doesn't seem like a total wacko to me.
Man, the different between Trump and Biden just for my business is stark. Trump was soooooo much better for me and my clients - and for manufacturing in general. Biden had been a disaster. It’s not simply neglect. He’s actively destroyed a vibrant economy. I don’t want to vote for Trump. I’m compelled to.
Blogger Howard said...
Drag Oh: It's not a lie if Merrick Garland railroads Blubba Trump. Love those DC juries.
I'll bet you do. DC juries are evidence that justice for some is unobtainable. I expect the USSC will get involved eventually.
Yancey Ward said...
On Trump- I think he can win in 2024 against whoever the Democrats put up as long as the mail-in-voting subsides back to the level it was in 2016, but I don't expect that to happen, and we will learn a great deal this coming November as I know the Democrats and DoJ are going to try to force universal mail-in-voting through the court systems starting in September. They intend to stuff the ballot boxes again to get control of the Senate and to hold the House by stealing all the remaining Republican seats in California.
1: This time GOP candidates will fight back. And given how SCOTUS has behaved during all the redistricting fights (basically screwing over every single Democrat push to litigate maps before this year's election), I expect SCOTUS will say "nope, you can't make any changes to voting laws this close to the election" for anything a GOP candidate decides to fight.
The Democrats got completely wrecked in the Courts on redistricting this year. The illegal NY gerrymander was tossed by Democrat dominated NY courts, and SCOTUS said "go for it!"
Every single Democrat lawsuit about GOP redistricting that I know of, OTOH, has lost. In Ohio, where the Dems hav "won", the GOP said "that's nice", and repeated essentially the same map. To quote 538:
A three-judge federal trial court adopted congressional and state legislative maps in Ohio that the state's supreme court had previously held were partisan gerrymanders in violation of the state constitution.
So no, I don't think the courts are going to let the Dems steal this election.
2: The Dems could take every single House seat in CA, and that still wouldn't give them control of the House in 2022.
Re: Gabbard: You are all forgetting that she dissed Hillary. Hillary will have her kneecapped.
Blogger Brad said...
Everything she does is "performance theater,"
--
You're just saying that because she's so hot!
I don't see Rosalyn's spirited defense of Joementia.
I know..hard to pick just a few of his successes.
Howard: "Drag Oh: It's not a lie if Merrick Garland railroads Blubba Trump. Love those DC juries."
Its still a lie. Obviously. Especially if Garland pulls the expected railroad job with a jury of your New Soviet pals.
Of course, you probably still think all those Jewish refusniks in the Soviet Union were actually insane because they wanted to be free, just because your Soviet allies told you to believe that.
Lifelong patterns are just that, aren't they?
CJinPA said...
Yes, but that was before he actually had to govern. If the economy turns around (don't everyone act like you know it can't...you don't) then he has a chance in a rematch.
The Democrat policies are designed for the purpose of driving up energy prices, inflating the money supply, and screwing over American companies other than the really big ones.
There is no possibility of the US economy significantly improving unless the Democrats decide to stop being Democrats.
And that's not going to happen before 2025
D.D. Driver said...
I'm thinking something more like Ross Perot. Hell, the major networks might even decide to invite third party challengers to the debates if it helps defeat Trump.
1: The Trump vote is going to stay with Trump, not go to a 3rd Party
2: A serious 3rd Party candidate would take votes away from the Dem: People who refuse to vote for Trump, but don't want to vote for high gas prices
3: Who's going to run 3rd Party?
Musk? Soros? Not born in America
Bloomberg? He utterly flamed out in the 2020 Dem primaries because he's a thin-skinned baby who appeals to pretty much nobody
Bill Gates? Warren Buffet? Don't make me laugh
Perot had the ability to appeal to working class voters. No potential 3rd Party candidate out there now has that ability. So none of them are a threat to the GOP
The Trump vs. Biden polls keep being only separated by a few percentage points. Biden was up on Trump in another poll by the margin of error a few days ago. The story people refuse to focus on is that neither gets 50% and probably the only reason they above 40% is people assume they wont have other choices. Biden is arguably the most unpopular president since they started tracking such things. If Trump was as popular as he will tell you he is, he should be blowing Biden out of the water, no? Biden is either barely beating or barely losing to Trump. That tells me the people would jump at the chance for a viable different option than these two.
Michael K said...
...You lefties are trying hard with your J6 infomercial but it won't work. You are making it MORE likely that he will run and win
But they remember, as we all saw in 2020, it doesn't matter if he runs and wins.
AOC will be of age in 2024. God help us.
I don't think AOC could win a statewide election in New York. She has shown herself to be an unserious "influencer."
We're more or less on an eight-year presidential cycle. Presidents usually get reelected. Parties usually have the White House for two terms, but not for three. Politicians like Kerry or Romney, who thought they had a chance of being elected weren't, because voters weren't yet in the mood for a change.
There's a better than even chance that Biden won't run again in 2024, so that alters things. I'm put in mind of the 1980 election. Carter had messed up as badly as Biden has, but he still had hopes that voters would be so scared of Reagan that they would reelect him. It didn't work out that way. Reagan was able to convince the electorate that he was stable, more or less responsible, and not a threat.
But Trump isn't Reagan. Today's Democrats aren't what they were in the Carter years. Neither are today's Republicans. America isn't what it was then either. I get a very skewed view of things, living in a heavily Democrat state and community, but "Middle America" doesn't seem to be the force that it was forty years ago.
1: The Trump vote is going to stay with Trump, not go to a 3rd Party
And there weren't enough of them. He lost the election. (He did lose the election you know.)
2: A serious 3rd Party candidate would take votes away from the Dem: People who refuse to vote for Trump, but don't want to vote for high gas prices
Says you. Trump's negatives are incredibly high. He's not going to "win" any new voters. Trump barely beat HRC (one of the most disliked politicians in my lifetime) and lost to a vegetable. Trump is Trent Dilfer of politics but the Trumpies think he is Tom Brady.
3: Who's going to run 3rd Party?
Musk? Soros? Not born in America
Bloomberg? He utterly flamed out in the 2020 Dem primaries because he's a thin-skinned baby who appeals to pretty much nobody
Bill Gates? Warren Buffet? Don't make me laugh
Jamie Dimon would be formidable. But, you could have a Trump-like reality show clown like Mark Cuban.
"And there weren't enough of them. He lost the election. (He did lose the election you know.)"
That was before the last 18 months of the shit show currently known as the Biden administration. That changes reality quite a bit. I don't want The Donald back either (didn't want him the first time really), but pretending the needle hasn't moved since 2020 is foolish.
"On Trump- I think he can win in 2024 against whoever the Democrats put up"
Trump runs, it becomes about Trump. Every stupid thing he says/tweets will become the national story of the day. Not inflation, not high gas prices, not supply chain issues. Just the stupid idiotic tweets of a raging narcissist. The country would be better off if he stuck to looking for the next ex-Mrs. Trump.
"The Republicans just want to impeach Biden."
Yep, and we have the ass clowns who didn't want to wait for the American people to vote Trump out of office for that piece of stupidity. The cherry on top of that particular shit sandwich was the vindictive "on his way out the door" impeachment these super geniuses hatched after the first one. Thanks guys for turning a Constitutional protection against malfeasance into a tool of partisan political hackery. Is there any other part of the Constitution you would like to render meaningless while you are at it?
D.D. Driver said...
1: The Trump vote is going to stay with Trump, not go to a 3rd Party
And there weren't enough of them. He lost the election. (He did lose the election you know.)
1: The Dems didn't engage in all those violations of standard election law because the had more votes than Trump
2: Once you've offered up the fantasy of a 3rd Party candidate, the question becomes "who loses votes to that candidate?"
3: To the extent that the Dem votes are "I'm not voting for Trump", that 3rd candidate is a benefit to Trump, by siphoning off those votes from the Dem
2: A serious 3rd Party candidate would take votes away from the Dem: People who refuse to vote for Trump, but don't want to vote for high gas prices
Says you. Trump's negatives are incredibly high. He's not going to "win" any new voters.
4: Trump won slightly under 63 million votes in 2016. He won over 74 million votes in 2020. So, yeah, other than picking up more than 11 million news votes in 2020, I'm sure" he's not going to win any new votes."
Do you ever get tired of saying really stupid, easily disproved things?
5: Trump left office with a growing economy, low inflation, low gas prices. Before Covid he presided over the best economy in living memory (certainly, so for the 2/3 of voters who don't have a college degree), where a lot of the good was actually due to his policies.
6: If you're seriously trying to claim that there won't be a large number of "working class" voters who didn't vote for him in 2020, but will be eager to bring back the "Trump times" in 2024, you're even more mentally screwed up than I think you are
3: Who's going to run 3rd Party?
Jamie Dimon would be formidable. But, you could have a Trump-like reality show clown like Mark Cuban.
Jamie Dimon? The head of JP Morgan Chase Bank? So you get the hard progressives voting for the Dem, 90% of the working class voting for Trump (which pushes him over 50% of the votes right there), and the remaining 20% voting for Dimon?
Thank you for that guaranteed Trump victory
Mark Cuban? You just don't understand politics, do you?
People voted for Trump in the GOP primary because Trump and Cruz were the only two candidates who acted like they gave a damn about what the average GOP voter wanted
People voted for Trump in the general election because Hillary is repulsive, and because Trump offered hope to the truly desperate.
In 2024 Trump will still offer that hope, but now it's a realistic offer, because he actually came through last time. (For the totally / deliberately ignorant: in the final years of the 1st Trump Admin, Mexico "built a wall" on their southern border, not letting illegals in to go to the US. Because they knew that they were going to get most of them dumped back on Mexico. So while Trump didn't build the wall on the American border, he did get Mexico to "build a wall" to block illegal aliens, and Mexico did pay for it.). So a Mark Cuban has nothing to offer the voters that Trump doesn't offer better. He'd offer a place for people who "refuse to vote for Trump" to waste their votes, and other than that get nothing
Personally, I prefer DeSantis, because Trump utterly sucks at personnel (see the new Brix book), and DeSantis doesn't seem to.
But if you think a 3rd Party candidate in 2024 would hurt Trump, your'e delusional
"What happened to Liz Warren? Don't hear anybody calling for her to come back."
I saw Warren once or twice on Bill Moyers' show years ago, when she was only a college professor. I was impressed by her and I liked what she had to say. Now that she is a politician, I am turned off by her sometimes grandstanding public pronouncements and strident manner. I haven't studied her votes in Congress or any legislation she has authored or sponsored, so she might still be someone I could get behind if she ran for the White House, but I would need to dig into her actual actions and votes in office (if she ever runs) before I would vote for her. One thing that I really hate about so many of the Dems who put on a progressive show is that they often vote with the troglodyte majority, such that they support awful policies being approved, such as increasing the War Department's budget each year. That disqualifies them for me right there. (To her credit, Warren did oppose the recent budget increase, the only member of the Senate Armed Services Committee to do so. That's a big plus, in my view.)
Russell said...
The Trump vs. Biden polls keep being only separated by a few percentage points
If you wish to make honest points (I assume you do) you need to start by comparing the 2016 and 2020 vote outcomes, compared to the polls.
All the polls are heavily weighted to the Democrats. So when they say "Biden's job approval really sucks", you can believe it's at least that bad.
When they say "Biden v Trump is within a few points", that means "Trump is beating Biden like a drum"
The story people refuse to focus on is that neither gets 50%
1: Trump doesn't need 50% to win the election. It doesn't matter how badly he loses in NY, CA, and IL, what matters is how he does in NV, NH, AZ, GA, MI, WI, PA, and MN. All those States have statewide races this yea, and all by MN have US Senate races this year. So in 4 months we'll have real data
Biden is arguably the most unpopular president since they started tracking such things. If Trump was as popular as he will tell you he is, he should be blowing Biden out of the water, no?
The problem with this argument is that
1: The polls suck when trying to determine GOP vs Dem
2: Biden's unpopularity is from how many Dems hate him, as much as from "all the rest of the voters know he sucks." Most of those Dems aren't going to vote GOP in 2022 or 2024. But they will stay at home, or vote 3rd Party. And either of those actions is more than enough to give the GOP the win.
Biden is either barely beating or barely losing to Trump. That tells me the people would jump at the chance for a viable different option than these two.
No, that tells you there are a bunch of morons who will jump at a "viable option". But 30% of the voters going for 1 3rd Party gives Trump an easy win, and the other two fighting for 2nd vs 3rd place
Via Ace: Quinnipiac National poll of "adults" (which is to say, it's never going to get better for the Dems than this)
Roughly 7 in 10 Americans ( 71 percent) say they would not like to see Joe Biden run for president in 2024, while 24 percent say they would like to see him seek a second term. Among Democrats, 54 percent say they would not like to see Biden run in 2024, while 40 percent say they would.
More than 6 in 10 Americans ( 64 percent) say they would not like to see Donald Trump run for president in 2024, while 32 percent say they would like to see him run. Among Republicans, 69 percent say they would like to see Trump run in 2024, while 27 percent say they would not.
So, chance of Biden running in 2024? Less than the chances of ME running in 2024
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