An hour ago is about exactly when I walked through the Wisconsin Capitol Square, past the "Forward!" statue, loomed over by the spire of the Episcopal church:
I thought I'd find at least a few people with signs, getting the protests rolling, but there was no one (other than a state employee watering the nearby flowers).
But you'll find some links at that Reddit link post. One goes to Facebook, where there's an announcement of a march to begin at the spot you see in my photo, beginning at 5 p.m. You're told to "[b]ring your loved ones, your rage, and your grief."
UPDATE: We drove up to the Capitol around 5 and there were lots of people with signs converging on the place. Traffic was blocked off.
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The Left better not tear down that statue again.
Grief is for loss.
Honestly, what have we lost?
Is Wisconsin likely to institute a ban?
Ignorant Ghouls. Surely Wisconsin will "preserve" their right to kill their babies.
Yes, yes, rage, that's the thing.
Not logic, not sorrow, not an attempt to bridge the divide that the Left has built in the country over the last 60 years.
Rage, and rage only. Feelings.
I never thought I'd live to see this great day in the morning. And if this had been the law of the land in the Seventies my child would be alive today. And many others will live going forward, especially minorities. What's wrong with that?
From what the Jan. 6 hearings taught me, this sounds like the beginning of an insurrection.
Doesn't Winsconsin state law protect abortion rights?
thinking of heading to the Capitol with a sign + my rage and hoping others join in.
umm, HELLO? isn't That; THE DEFINITION of INSURRECTION?
Wouldn't that, LITERALLY be THE WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO DEMOCRACY?
or, is that Yesterday's Thinking?
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The tore down the statue and put it up backwards. Forward is now going in the opposite direction.
Maybe the incongruity of once having been compelled to significantly modify our lives over the last 2 years, in order to preserve to lives of others, versus, having to carefully consider a pregnancy beforehand, in order to protect the lifeline of future generations, is not so patently obvious after all.
I predict mostly performative outrage online and offline.
The leak was a John the Baptist blessing in disguise.
Deny women and men's dignity and agency all that you want, but reproductive rites should not be performed for social, redistributive, clinical, and fair weather causes.
I just read that Wisconsin clinics have cancelled all procedures since there is still a law on the books from the 1800's.
Marc Levy
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MADISON, Wisc. (
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Wisconsin has an 1849 law that bans abortion, except to save the life of the mother, but whether that law is enforceable was expected to be the center of yet-to-be-filed lawsuits.
Yes Reddit is all atwitter with calls for direct action!! and general strike!! Lol same language as a hundred years ago.
Some people just prefer being vehemently ineffectual.
Are these protests supposed to accomplish anything? Wisconsin allows abortion to the 22nd week - which is basically viability.
What specific changes in Wisconsin do the protesters desire from their legislature and governor? If it's getting rid of the admitting privileges it seems a lobbying campaign rather than a protest is in order.
And your bags of your own pee and poop. And laser pointers to blind the pigs. And make sure your sign is attached to a hard wood axe handle for.... you know, reasons
Rage is about all these loonies know.
There really aren't that many radical Roe Supporters out there.
I hope they burn some stuff down though. Their own stuff preferably.
They need to remind everyone how terrible and violent they are.
Question: How can someone be genuinely enraged about something that will still be available?
Answer: Whoever said rage was rational?
"You're told to "[b]ring your loved ones, your rage, and your grief."
We've seen this all over the country. If these douchenozzles burn, destroy, even kill, they will be pardoned by Democrats while their countrymen rot in DC jails over misdemeanors.
This is an opportunity for the Left to emote again.
How many fewer abortions will there be because of the Dobbs ruling?
They're all standing on top of bridges now.
I’d say bring your babies, but much too likely they’d be subjected to violence by this Madison rabble.
Yes. Bring your rage. Outrage is the only thing manufactured in the US anymore. Our output of outrage far outpaces any other country and exceeds actual demand, yet we keep producing it. Daily. By the truckloads. It's making the value of outrage go down and so when we finally get something large to debate, such as abortion, many of us are unmoved. We just want to get moving on already. Our outrage has been cheapened. It no longer has the kick it once did when there was more demand for outrage than the actual outrage being produced.
Networks and newspapers have lost their way when it comes to journalism. And politicians have lost their way when it comes to leadership, statesmanship. But they far exceeded anyone's expectations when it comes to producing outrage. They do that extremely well. And it's had an impact on many of us react now to things that probably should manifest some outrage- one way or the other. I'm just tired of all of it. Sorry. No outrage from me today. I'm all out.
I'm with that thar Ruth Bader Ginsberg. She said "they's too many of some populations that we don't wanna have too many of, dontcha know."
I thought that comment came straight out the Grand Wizard's mouth, but no, it was Ginsberg. The celebrated, notorious RGB.
Dbp,
I had heard the same thing weeks ago that there is still a law from 1854. I went and looked and find it has been updated several time. Most recently in the 1970s iirc. Still banning abortion.
I had not heard that it might be unenforceable. Do you or anyone else know why it would not be enforceable?
'You're told to "[b]ring your loved ones, your rage, and your grief."'
Your loved ones? Your children? The ones who might be old enough to understand Mommy could have aborted them under yesterday's rules?
The ones who might know why they're missing a sibling they once heard talk about?
Women once again proving they aren't the irrational, emotional dears we think they are.
The wide support for abortion on demand is mostly in defenders' heads. You convince yourself of something and you say things like "we'll be greeted as liberators in the streets of Bagdad". Ridiculous.
Religious cults greatly depend on these true believers.
Read carefully how this reddit dissenter phrases it: I'm thinking and hoping.
The support for abortions at any time for any reason is a mile wide and a decimal place deep.
Let them rage all they want.
If it wasn't this, it would be something else.
Ignore them.
AOC was inciting violence today in front of the Supreme Court. Insurrection day in DC!!!
DOJ is reputedly warning Catholic organizations and other pro-life entities of a "night of rage."
In the old days the government sanctioned equivalent was called "Kristallnacht."
What the heck...they performed an insurrection the other day in the Wisconsin Capitol...No outcrys of doomed Democracy from the left for that. Only when it is Trump supporters doing the protesting. All it does it prove that Nasty Nancy and her Progressive goons in the FBI are biased and don't care when Progressives "parade" uninvited in Capitols. https://www.dailywire.com/news/planned-parenthood-insurrectionists-abortion-supporters-take-over-wisconsin-capitol-building
I suspect there won't be a whole lot of violence. That's a tool that the Left gins up to sway the electorate when the blame can be pinned on a conservative. Riotous behavior seldom redounds to the benefit of the ruling party, so the Dems have a vested interest in keeping that weapon in storage this time around.
Vox hot take coming soon.
The white men of SCOTUS disregard the opinions of 3 Women, Black and Latino minorities.
And another...
5 Ways Anti-Choice SCOTUS is Transphobic.
"I'm with that thar Ruth Bader Ginsberg. She said "they's too many of some populations that we don't wanna have too many of, dontcha know."
I believe that comment is attributed to Margaret Sanger. I didn't care for her RvW opinions, but I don't think even RBG was that unthoughtful.
Great! Drive to DC and rage your tits loose. Good strategy.
It's time for Democrats to stop blocking making birth control pills OTC.
You can chalk this up to hubris. The hubris of Harry Reid thinking the Dems were never going to lose the Presidency and the Senate majority so they could do away with the filibuster for judicial appointments.
63,000,000 completed abortions since Roe might indicate the pro-abortion side should be able to win in every state legislature. Then again, that huge number might be the very reason the pro-life side has been able to win in about half the state legislatures.
A million women per year getting abortions is a failure of massive proportions in raising women to understand the reality of their bodies, educating women to care for themselves, and having women use birth control to avoid pregnancy. This is a woman's issue, all right, but not the one that the news media is bloviating over. Women should not still need one million abortions annually in this day and age, and that they do is on them. I'll offer my toxic masculine help if it can be useful, but damn, girls, get your shit together.
There may be a reason why the protesters are waiting until dark.
Well, I guess it's time to load up the 12 gauge & stand watch at Our Lady of Perpetual Peace tonight.
Professor Althouse, I’m honestly curious. Do you read the comments on your posts? And, if so, how do you decide whether to respond (if you do)? I’m outraged by today’s decision for a litany of reasons—most not having to do with substantive due process. And while I live in Madison, and blocks from the capitol at that, I’m not at the square “protesting.” Like many, I feel paralyzed by our state’s gerrymandered legislature but buoyed by Evers’s veto. I’ve been spending a lot of time contemplating 940.04, and its changes over the years, to try to craft counter arguments to what WILL says it means.
Professor, I miss your actual substantive take on cases, your probative questions about them, and your lectures from 20 years ago.
Great, now we get to see a bunch of half naked fat-asses with red paint on their cooches.
This too shall pass.
They would have more loved ones if they hadn’t aborted them.
Abortionists, your semitic-phoenceian 'burning-babies-alive' official sacrifices to Tanit are coming to an end. Your legislative tophet is an abomination, and it was a travesty it was allowed by evil women and complicit men to exist for 50 years.
Roman men and Roman justice are coming for the rest of Carthage, and we will salt the f*cking earth too and scatter the ones who we don't drive into the ocean and force-feed salt water to the 4 winds.
Apparently the 1st time didn't stick. Wear body armor.
Lem. To follow the non sequitur, I have/had some relations involved in that op. They said the Iraquis generally approved. Got some unsolicited intel from the indiges which turned out to be useful.
Protests are a great place to pick up chicks and get laid.
Subject doesn't matter, just pretend to angrily agree with them against "the man".
Women once again proving they aren't the irrational, emotional dears we think they are.
6/24/22, 1:08 PM
Just as many raging men IMO. Purely altruistic, of course. Not like they have anything to lose if she can't get rid of it.
Feminazis are on therage again.
"[b]ring your loved ones, your rage, and your grief."
And maybe a bottle of water.
Just the same old shit - "Days of Rage" "Levitate the Pentagon".
We were what - teenagers or not much more when that first hit - and now, over a half-century later, that's still the best they can come up with?
Sad.
"I had not heard that it might be unenforceable. Do you or anyone else know why it would not be enforceable?"
There have been problems in some jurisdictions, lately, with enforcing laws. Soros correctly calculated that the most cost-efficient way to render America impotent and moribund was to purchase -- for a song -- the offices of DA in a number of large cities. Not sure who they've got in Madison, but I seem to recall that during the recent unpleasantness, the laws against destruction of private property were found to be unenforceable.
Jeebus... in 1969 we got color TV from the moon. For the last several decades we've had avalanches of instruction about anal and oral sex. This is the 21st century, George Jetson land. People still got "Unwanted Pregnancy"? C'mon man, (and menstruating persons).
I used to find left wing rage humorous. But now I am malicious about it. I hope they cry. I hope they suffer. At least unto the point of being torn limb from limb by forceps and having their skulls crushed. Many of us have fought a lifetime for this day and this victory, and despaired every day this vile precedent stood as law. No more. Now it is the left's turn to be tormented. May it be unrelenting.
Can we borrow your Supreme Court for a minute? Asking for Canada.
It was a tactical error on the part of the Supreme Court to release this decision on a Friday morning. This means that protestors with regular jobs have their whole weekend off to cause mischief. Doing it on a Monday where they might get in trouble with their job if they don't show up for work the next day might have held down the number of troublemakers. And yes, I know that most of them are loafers and ne'er-do-wells who probably don't have jobs.
Interesting that an 1849 law is claimed to be controlling in WI. I think it is a perfect example of how Roe stifled debate and "progress" at the state level. I admit I am confused by the coverage that also says that Scott Walker signed legislation that banned abortions after 16 weeks. Further research only convinces me that both laws are in effect and which is currently effective will have to be decided either in court or at the legislature. Since the 16 week ban is most current one would think that it most probably represents the view of the majority of the electorate and that closing down abortion clinics is just intended to stir the pot.
"Wisconsin allows abortion to the 22nd week - which is basically viability."
Needs evidence, given every other source I see says it is now illegal.
I am going to speculate the most emotional, most enraged, couldn't say what Wisconsin law says on the subject.
"You're told to '[b]ring your loved ones, your rage, and your grief.'"
LOL.
Can I bring my joy, my gratitude, and my genuine amazement that this event occurred?
Finally, after running around like a crazy man all day, I have read the Alito reasoning in its entirety. Can we finally come to a middle-ground that RoeVWade was a sloppy - eminently lazy - decision?
Come on!?! Lazy lazy lazy constitutional jurisprudence but we've covered this ground before...yes?
Taney was wrong (and an asshat) and so was Blackmun (ironic). People are homo sapiens and make mistakes...
...it's sad it took 50 PHUCKING YEARS to get here. Good enough for government work I guess.
Will Dobbs change SCOTUS nominee confirmation hearings? No more “Super duper precedent” questions, more “litmus tests”, no more thinly veiled questions about Griswold?
I have no idea of whether or not the law, if it is on the books, would be unenforceable, that was from a quote by Marc Levy.
It is somewhat of a moot-point if the state's abortion providers have put a hiatus on procedures.
Had a friend who had an abortion in the '80s, on the behest of her husband. (Who was a somewhat abusive asshole in the first place.) They got a divorce a few years later - but the psychological cost to her was very high. She wasn't the healthiest of women, and struggled ever after with depression and eating disorders.
TBH, I don't know how good a mother she would have been, and I know her husband didn't want to grow the hell up - so maybe it was for the best Still, until she passed away she regretted being forced into it.
Back in the day, I thought it was a good thing. I didn't want kids, was never going to be a dad, but used birth control or my partners did. But then I married and had a son - and I think about what could have possibly been for my friend.
I'm thinking they got this right. Leave it to the states to decide and ignore the rage-filled assholes who are looking for something to riot over.
Reddit: Wise Thomas released concealed carry decision before Row v Wade riots.
Alex, I'll take People With Profound Mental Illness for a $1000.
These people seem to have no understanding that now they need to get out and win some elections. Actually persuading is too often the last thing on their minds.
Very little practical effect. Anyone that wants an abortion can get one. A bit further travel may be required in some cases.
Protest aborted?
The insurrectionists will do what they do, like their predecessors did when slavery was abolished.
This whole meme that bans on gay marriage and contraceptives will likewise follow goes beyond stupid. These are not serious people.
Carol... Raging men at a pro abortion rally? Half of them are there to get laid, I'd wager. Worked at the peace rallies in the 60s and 70s.
It will be interesting to see whether the People For Killing Their Own Babies are anywhere near as violent and destructive as the People For Letting Blacks Do Whatever They Want.
It's a SHOCKINGLY SAD SIGN! That we'll Have to rely on the LEGISLATURE to make LAW :(
EVERYONE KNOWS that Laws are Supposed to be made by unelected elites (Judges)
Elected Officials have no more place in the LAW, than the People do!!!!!
ALL POWER TO THE UNELECTED STATE!!!
ALL POWER FROM THE UNELECTED STATE!
ALL POWER FOR THE UNELECTED STATE!!
Hello Althouse. I just want to comment on the comments. And hold you responsible for them. Of course, don't get me wrong! I'm not trying to threaten you, or insinuate you agree with them. Heavens, No. Its just FUNNY how you attract, umm. certain types y'know.
Of course, we're all in favor of free speech. RESPONSIBLE free speech. that upholds the RIGHT values. That all RIGHT sort of people agree with. Anyway, I'm just CURIOUS as what your response is.
Anyway, I'm off to local townhall to protest the outrageous undemocratic descision by the fascist supreme court to let people and the state legislatures vote on abortion. Wow, its just like Nazi Germany all over again!
What will be the first TV or movie plot around difficulties getting an abortion. Look at the plus side, the entertainment.
Grief is a strange thing to feel over this. Even if you think a woman’s bodily autonomy is more important than her baby’s why would you use the word grief? Grief is for the deaths of loved ones or innocent strangers. The deaths of millions of babies. Not the end of a law giving you a “right” that has been illegal in most human societies through most of history.
Anyway maybe they should understand now how people felt having their lives destroyed while gays and their “allies” tried to force them to “bak the cake and make the wedding flowers”.
Angry, masked, bloody-thighed, shackled to infants--got to admit that will be the hot outfit for suburban Halloweens this year.
My source was Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Wisconsin.
I see some folks are saying they are going to revert to an 1849 law that bans it, but I cynically expect that some of those people are more interested in getting people excited than in telling the truth.
What exactly are people in Madison protesting? I doubt that there will be any changes in abortion laws in Wisconsin? Has the state tilted farther right that I realized? As far as other states are concerned, how is it their business? If they do not believe in the United States of America, and think they get to push their values on people of other states, then maybe we do need to dissolve this great experiment.
I think Ms Althouse is probably right that there may be privacy rights to terminate pregnancies in early stages as there are privacy rights to birth control. That was not at issue in this case. Let's see what happens when some of the heartbeat laws get litigated. Personally I'm happy with the Mississippi law at issue and the Florida law that mirrors it with a 15 week limit. Once, the baby is kicking, it seems like a person to me and I think to most people.
The abortion clinic that sued Mississippi's chief health officer Thomas Dobbs to kick off the case at hand has announced that they will be closing down.
I guess there's not enough profit in abortions before 15 weeks.
I have mixed emotions about the SCOTUS decision, but I would be thrilled if it triggers a dismantling of the Abortion-Industrial Complex and the incestuous relationship between Planned Parenthood and Democratic politicians.
"What will be the first TV or movie plot around difficulties getting an abortion. Look at the plus side, the entertainment."
Well, Law and Order SVU will probably have an episode next Fall where some young black girl is gang-raped by the local New York White Supremicist College Boys club, and won't be able to get an abortion in New York City without a big legal battle in the New York courts.
>>Professor Althouse, I’m honestly curious. Do you read the comments on your posts?
She clearly reads (and responds to) some. Moderation suggests they (she and Meade) read more, but I suspect a lot of people get at least an initial pass. As witness a number of double/multiple posts that get passed through. And an occasional comment (of the few comments) of mine that go up immediately.
She responds when she is tickled by a response.
She can also have a bit of a thin skin and respond when she thinks someone has misread/failed to read her post or is insulting her.
I think she rarely responds on a substantive basis. Not what she is going for.
--gpm
I don't know why progressives are so worked up over this. Sure, it's not the result they would have preferred but they've proven to be adept at getting people's ballots to where they need to be in order to be counted. I can't see any reason that skill can't be repurposed towards getting women who need an abortion to where they need to be, either.
Can you?
Everyone's down at the Walgreens buying contraceptives OTC and condoms....
Stupid Lefty Mark,
The Guttmacher Institute, hardly an anti-abortion outfit, wrote just 8 days ago that abortion was legal in Wisconsin prior to 20 weeks post-fertilization. Wisconsin, like a lot of states has passed laws in the last 30 years based on the Casey's viability standard. Those various laws have superceded the 1849 law itself. So, today's decision doesn't change anything in Wisconsin- abortion is still legal prior to 20 weeks post-fertilization because that law is still on the books, you dumb fuck.
It is hilarious how some dumb fuck (you Lefty Mark) who went over to Wikipedia and put in that abortion is illegal now in Wisconsin. Can we find a lefty anywhere who will make an argument in good faith, or just not tell lies with every single word?
Biden asked for peaceful protest.
That was good. Esp since he never denounced the attempted murder of a sitting SC Justice.
Raging men at a pro abortion rally?
Just going by what I'm seeing on the various Reddit city sites. The boys haven't been this emo since BLM Summer!
To the barricades! Lmao
realestateacct said...
My source was Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Wisconsin.
I see some folks are saying they are going to revert to an 1849 law that bans it, but I cynically expect that some of those people are more interested in getting people excited than in telling the truth.
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Did the state rely on that 1849 statute before Roe? Had it been amended and updated over the years?
Has anyone been prosecuted under that law?
I've been following this blog since almost Day 1, and I've almost never called out another commenter, but good grief, rcocean, get a grip.
Personally, I don't want to see all access to abortion denied, but that's not what this decision does. What it does do is A) revert a horrible legal decision with broader scope than abortion, and B) send the legal decisions back to the legislature level, where it belongs. But go ahead and freak. Just don't do it in my front yard.
“It was a tactical error on the part of the Supreme Court to release this decision on a Friday morning.”
It’s the Feast of the Sacred Heart!
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/seasons-and-feast-days/sacred-heart-of-jesus-14357
I went to Mass this morning- @Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
His Heart must be full of joy!
“And that is not all: even if man really were nothing but a piano-key, even if this were proved to him by natural science and mathematics, even then he would not become reasonable, but would purposely do something perverse out of simple ingratitude, simply to gain his point.“
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
What are they protesting? Do they expect the SCOTUS to reconvene and reverse the decision?
I've been following this blog since almost Day 1, and I've almost never called out another commenter, but good grief, rcocean, get a grip.
Personally, I don't want to see all access to abortion denied, but that's not what this decision does. What it does do is A) revert a horrible legal decision with broader scope than abortion, and B) send the legal decisions back to the legislature level, where it belongs. But go ahead and freak. Just don't do it in my front yard.
“Rick Esenberg, president and chief counsel of the conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty, said he believes the state's abortion ban is in effect, "but this is America so there will be litigation.
Some legal experts believe subsequent abortion statutes repealed the original 1849 law, but Esenberg said he didn't believe the argument would be successful in court.
Under the state law, doctors could be charged with felonies for performing abortions and face up to six years in prison and $10,000 in fines.
While reverting to a 173-year-old state law on abortion will create some legal uncertainties, we recognize that this court decision has effectively banned abortions in Wisconsin except to save the life of the mother, and UW Health will continue to comply with the laws related to reproductive health care,” a spokesperson for the system said in a statement.”
Roe decision means an immediate halt to abortion in Wisconsin, setting the stage for the state's 1849 ban to take effect
Carol said...
Raging men at a pro abortion rally?
Just going by what I'm seeing on the various Reddit city sites. The boys haven't been this emo since BLM Summer!
Well, due to the shortage of feminine hygiene products, apparently the men's restroom at the colleges is the only place to find them. Betcha didn't think you'd be asking "Who lit the fuse on their tampons?" about a bunch of guys, huh? Peak 2022.
I read a longish NPR article on what will happen in Wisconsin post Dobbs.
There are about 6,000 abortions performed annually in Wisconsin. Only four clinics in the state perform abortions, and they are in urban counties controlled by Democrats. The Democrat prosecutors in these counties have said that they will not prosecute abortionists, despite abortion being illegal. The state AG, a Democrat, has also said he will not prosecute abortionists.
However, a future, pro-life DA may choose to prosecute these cases.
This should provide the impetus to rehabilitate the After School Specials on the TV.
"I've been following this blog since almost Day 1, and I've almost never called out another commenter, but good grief, rcocean, get a grip."
Yawn. Troll tactic No.1 - assert someone is angry, crazy, or OUT OF CONTROL. Did anyone mention your name? If not, why are you mentioning mine?
Do not go gentle into that good night,
SJW's and Antifa should burn and rave at the close of abortion;
Rage, rage against the dying of the right.
Personally, I think every leftist should have an abortion.
That's how "Pro-choice" I am.
In the Orthodox Church, today is the feast of the Nativity of John the Baptist. Which is fantastic, because the Bible records him recognizing the Christ as a fetus within his mother.
The decision being announced as early in the morning (Pacific Time) as it was, I was able to get to the noon Mass here afterward. A full house today, for some reason. Father managed (it can be a challenge, ahem) a quite decent homily, weaving the pro-life ministries of the past fifty years in with the texts of the proper and lessons of the feast's Mass. Cogitatiónes Cordis eius in generatióne et generatiónem: ut éruat a morte ánimas eórum et alat eos in fame and so on; the thoughts of His Heart are to all generations: to deliver them from death and preserve them in spite of famine (Psalm 32). A beautiful day, a splendid one, before the weekend's heat wave commences.
Does Prof read all the comments?
I think she diagrams them all for relaxation before bedtime.
babaganoush said...
Professor Althouse, I’m honestly curious. Do you read the comments on your posts? And, if so, how do you decide whether to respond (if you do)? I’m outraged by today’s decision for a litany of reasons—most not having to do with substantive due process
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This is the PERFECT place for you to open the kimono and reveal your "Litany" of reasons.
Free clue: offering one-sentence bullet points ain't gonna cut it.
"The Democrat prosecutors in these counties have said that they will not prosecute abortionists, despite abortion being illegal. The state AG, a Democrat, has also said he will not prosecute abortionists."
Assuming your party will forever be in power is, of course, an option. Forever is a long time, though.
Of course, we're all in favor of free speech. RESPONSIBLE free speech. that upholds the RIGHT values. That all RIGHT sort of people agree with. Anyway, I'm just CURIOUS as what your response is.
Anyway, I'm off to local townhall to protest the outrageous undemocratic descision by the fascist supreme court to let people and the state legislatures vote on abortion. Wow, its just like Nazi Germany all over again!
Serious or satire? I can't tell anymore.
I think it is more than likely an unnecessary precaution but the pastor at the parish I belong to (the only one downtown) has asked the male parishioners to sign up to a rota and then walk around the block where the church is situated 'being vigilant', telephones and flashlights in hand, during the weekend. Although it is certainly true that Eugene has its share of (not to put too fine a point on it) crazy people, in the past (e.g. back when 'the leak' happened) the federal buildings have been the focus of such nonsense. I'm not going to stand outside in the 90 degrees of heat for two hours in the day, sorry, and reliance on the city bus means I can't do my duty in the night or early morning; since I'd need to have my cane with me I'd be apprehensive anyway that it might be perceived as a weapon by some deranged vandal (or that I might be tempted to use it as one).
"I guess there's not enough profit in abortions before 15 weeks."
Well, the real money has always been in the parts market. But there's just not that much meat on a 14-week-old baby.
"Dems Pause January 6 Hearings To Call For Insurrection"
heh
Maybe this will inspire a generation of people who will be more careful not to use abortion as birth control. and use actual birth control or get a vasectomy.
David Harsanyi
@davidharsanyi
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In 1982 Joe Biden proposes a constitutional amendment that would overturn Roe v. Wade and allow states to choose their own policies on abortion.
Oops
What are they protesting?
@Skipper, they aren’t. They’re throwing a temper tantrum.
Can we borrow your Supreme Court for a minute? Asking for Canada
Would you take some clones of Justice Thomas?
At least the protesters in Madison are protesting at the correct venue. It is going to be interesting what laws end up being the actual relevant statute. If for example the Mississippi law that the SCOTUS has now blessed supersedes all previous legislation then Mississippi now has one the most liberal abortion laws in the developed world.
The reason the abortion clinics are shutting down is not that they really fear they will be prosecuted for performing them, it’s to further incite the mostly peaceful protestors. This is not some bolt out of the blue, they knew it was coming. Now, the Wisconsin legislature could surely call an emergency session and rescind the previous law and replace it, but I expect they’d rather demagogue it instead.
Reverting…is there any reason why abortion law could not devolve-down below state control? I’m think of when Probibition was repealed; booze control devolved to county control.
Men are not interested in these rulings because men were excluded from the “ladies only” rulings of 1973. Suck it up and play on a level field.
And why is there no opinion from Althouse, a law professor, on the most significant Supreme Court decision in a century? Interesting. Perhaps she doesn't want to offend her psychotic MAGA fans.
Fortunately abortions will remain readily available in the ghettos, where they are most needed.
I imagine a majority of the Amlaw 200 law firms, like mine, issued statements today in support of women. At least one gave everyone the day off to process.
It was said that Roe was harmful because it cut short the political work that had been going on to enact abortion rights. Like in California under Gov. Reagan. It will be interesting to see that engine rev up now. Especially in light of the Thomas concurrence.
The BEE nailed it... Dems Pause January 6 Hearings To Call For Insurrection!
Can Of Cheese for Hunter beat me to it. I couldn't watch the festivities because that was exactly the sentiment I observed. Two things to like about the leftist... Their Faces!
The penumbra nonsense was a mumbo-jumbo incantation conjured up by leftist judges who knew that the invented "right" would never pass by means of the democratic process inherent in a legislature, whether in the states or in Congress.
So refreshing to hear Thomas call it out for what it has always been.
It’s going to be interesting in places like WI, and esp Madison. The feminist movement nationally has lost a lot of cohesion this last year due to the left’s demand that people born with, and even still having, penises be included as “women”, if they want to be. Women born with penises personally just don’t care that much about abortion. Why would they? They will never get pregnant. They are, of course, told that one of the requirements of assuming womanhood is supporting abortion rights. So, they ostensibly do. But it often isn’t that heartfelt.
There just aren’t going to be that many women deprived of abortions in WI, even if the law isn’t changed there. Most of the population, and esp Blacks, in the state just don’t live that far from IL, and esp Chicago, where abortion is going to stay mostly, if not completely, legal. Sure, there are going to be some people with uteruses inconvenienced by this, but likely very few, if any, of them actually deprived of an abortion, esp with Blue states are waking to the possibility of abortion tourism. Worse comes to worse, and Planned Parenthood can just start running abortion buses down to Chicago every week from the bigger cities in WI (where most of the uterus people who might want an abortion, and can’t just jump in their car for the trip, live).
My point is that while a couple years ago, the feminists in WI were probably united enough to eke an abortion bill through the WI Legislature, and get it signed into law, that lack of cohesion, of focus, now combined with the likely ease of getting an abortion in nearby IL, may call that into question today in WI. It’s really more symbolic, than anything. But then it always has been - the types of women running the feminist movement have always been the type who would rarely need an abortion in their own lives, since for the most part, they aren’t the type of women engaging in a lot of unprotected sex outside marriage.
We shall see.
Rick Essenberg of WILL says he believes it is now illegal in Wisconsin, but instead tbe yahoos at Althouse post and have moderators approve personal attacks against me while citing Wikipedia as their source.
Like they would accept that source themselves if the situation were opposite.
"Now, the Wisconsin legislature could surely call an emergency session and rescind the previous law and replace it, but I expect they’d rather demagogue it instead."
You are aware that the Governor did exactly that, and when they convened earlier this week the Legislature immediately closed the session an went home, as it is Republican controlled.
Not that any of you are paying any attention before spouting your brilliance.
Rick Essenberg of WILL says he believes it is now illegal in Wisconsin, but instead tbe yahoos at Althouse post and have moderators approve personal attacks against me while citing Wikipedia as their source.
Like they would accept that source themselves if the situation were opposite.
"Now, the Wisconsin legislature could surely call an emergency session and rescind the previous law and replace it, but I expect they’d rather demagogue it instead."
You are aware that the Governor did exactly that, and when they convened earlier this week the Legislature immediately closed the session an went home, as it is Republican controlled.
Not that any of you are paying any attention before spouting your brilliance.
All these "hands of my body", "My body, choice" signs just make me laugh out loud after 2021 and mandated vaccinations. Same people! Can't make this up!
"And why is there no opinion from Althouse, a law professor, on the most significant Supreme Court decision in a century? Interesting."
My impression is that our host's desire is to stimulate conversation among the throng. She interjects occasionally, of course. But if she were to give an in depth opinion here, the following comments would be on her position, not the topic as presented.
The "leak" was quite some time ago. How is it possible that the actual (various) state laws have not been definitively determined?
"Now, the Wisconsin legislature could surely call an emergency session and rescind the previous law and replace it, but I expect they’d rather demagogue it instead."
Dumb Lefty Mark: "You are aware that the Governor did exactly that, and when they convened earlier this week the Legislature immediately closed the session an went home, as it is Republican controlled."
OMG eleventy!1!!1!111!1!11!!!
Its almost like you and your lefty allies, like gadfly, are going to have to run your political campaigns on this issue, persuade voters to vote for you, elect your candidates to state office, craft legislation that has broad appeal and then pass that legislation and have the elected governor sign the bill into WI law!!
My gosh. That is so very, very unfair and cruel.
Given lefty/nevertrump (but I repeat myself) history, I guess you guys will just go straight to another mass pandemic/cheat by mail "vote" scheme again.
"Now, the Wisconsin legislature could surely call an emergency session and rescind the previous law and replace it, but I expect they’d rather demagogue it instead."
Dumb Lefty Mark: "You are aware that the Governor did exactly that, and when they convened earlier this week the Legislature immediately closed the session an went home, as it is Republican controlled."
OMG eleventy!1!!1!111!1!11!!!
Its almost like you and your lefty allies, like gadfly, are going to have to run your political campaigns on this issue, persuade voters to vote for you, elect your candidates to state office, craft legislation that has broad appeal and then pass that legislation and have the elected governor sign the bill into WI law!!
My gosh. That is so very, very unfair and cruel.
Given lefty/nevertrump (but I repeat myself) history, I guess you guys will just go straight to another mass pandemic/cheat by mail "vote" scheme again.
Yeah time to take those “My body my choice” signs out of the dark closet they’ve been in since 2020, dust ‘Em off, and hit the streets.
An interesting point, tome, will be what will be proposed in states that consider new laws. Will they pick a "middle ground" (if there is such a thing)? Hard to see the hard left agreeingwith that. Any restrictions were murdering women just last week.
Or will the rage machine demand any reason, any time?
If the later, I can failure see long term frustration.
Episcopal church. (Episcopalians are the people who go to the church.)
"Episcopal church. (Episcopalians are the people who go to the church.)"
When I see "Episcopal church," I think of the organization, not the building, but you are probably correct, even for the building.
I'll fix it in the post.
Let's tear down that Hans Christian Heg statue again!
Perhaps she doesn't want to offend her psychotic MAGA fans.
Why would we be offended? We won.
They had a protest in Nashville this morning too. The local "news" tried very hard to make it look like a huge crowd, but the best I could tell, it was between 100 and 200 people.
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