October 12, 2021

The Washington Post ought to have the nerve to open a comments section on this article.

"Netflix CEO argues that Chappelle’s new special, criticized as transphobic, is too popular to cancel" by Julian Mark. 
The memo followed condemnation from Jaclyn Moore, a transgender writer who worked on the Netflix original “Dear White People”.... 
Last week, Moore... wrote on Twitter that Chappelle used to be one of her “heroes.” “But he said he’s a TERF,” Moore wrote. “He compared my existence to someone doing blackface.” Moore said she was “done” with Netflix.

I recommend more speech. Why is what transgender women are doing different from blackface? Moore's answer is implied and worth discussing: Because it's "my existence." 

By the way, I was just reading the 1995 book "Last Train to Memphis: The Rise of Elvis Presley" and I encountered this:

[Dewey Phillips had a radio show of a type that] had started in Memphis and that was springing up in one form or another all across the South: black music on a white radio station with a strong Negro audience and a growing, if for the most part unacknowledged, core of young white listeners with a growing, if for the most part unexamined, buying power. ... 

Perhaps [Sam Phillips and Dewey Phillips] wandered over to Beale Street, where Dewey, who has been described as “transracial” by more than one admirer, could go wherever he liked, where Dewey, Sam came to see with some ambivalence, was “a hero, everyone loved him.”

Of course, Dewey wasn't attempting to look like a black person, so that's not like blackface at all, but there is the idea of a white person finding his "existence" (or identity) with things associated with black people and viewing it in a very positive way.

If you look up the word "transracial," you'll be swamped with material about the "transracial" adoption of children, so I failed to find other examples of "transracial" that paralleled "transgender." 

ADDED: Let's be clear about what Chappelle said: "[TERFS] look at transgender women the way we blacks look at blackface. They go 'Oh, this bitch is doing an impression of me!’"

72 comments:

CarolynnS said...

How about Rachel Dolezal, who “found her identity “ as a black person?

mikee said...

Miscegnation is one path to elimination of racism in this country. Make it impossible to tell one's race based on skin tone, due to having parents of different races or ethnicities, and in a generation or so the Asians and Hispanics and Italians living peacefully with their Swahili/Nordic neighbors.

madAsHell said...

TERF - Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminist.

Critical Sex Theory.

LordSomber said...

Sounds like fragility to me.

holdfast said...

So it doesn’t matter that in The Closer, Dave also insulted rural White people, overweight Black people, gay men, lesbians, Asians, and also told what I have to admit is a really funny joke that essentially questions the right of Israel to exist. Of course I don’t agree with that sentiment, but it was a clever joke. And it might provide supporters of Israel with some insight into the thinking of their opponents. Not saying that Dave is among them, but he is providing a unique way to look at their perspective.

He also told a rather heartwarming, and now actually verified as true, story about his friendship with a transwoman comedian.

It seems that most people are missing the message that ran through the entire show, his meta-commentary if you will. And that is, at least as I understood it: value, respect and care about people, and don’t focus on labels and groups, because everybody can find a grievance and put themselves in an aggrieved group if they want to, even white men. But that doesn’t really help anybody at the end of the day.

NMObjectivist said...

"I recommend more speech. Why is what transgender women are doing different from blackface?"

Good point Ann. I missed that. They are doing blackface! (Arguably)

Maynard said...

Last week, Moore... wrote on Twitter that Chappelle used to be one of her “heroes.”

Her heroes are comedians?

What a deep thinker. We really need to listen to this man-turned-woman because we need to make sure that her existence isn't threatened by people who have different opinions.

tcrosse said...

Is what the Righteous Brothers did blackface?

Sebastian said...

"Moore's answer is implied and worth discussing: Because it's "my existence.""

There you go again, with your reasonable liberal sentiments. The point is that these things are not "worth discussing." They are only worth imposing, or else. "My existence," as defined by moi, me, myself, trumps all. The meaning of which, of the entire universe in fact, is mine, and mine alone, as robed Tony K told us. Forget discussion: fall in line.

But Chapelle shows trans-progressives haven't won this phase of the culture war just yet.

Balfegor said...

Of course, Dewey wasn't attempting to look like a black person, so that's not like blackface at all, but there is the idea of a white person finding his "existence" (or identity) with things associated with black people and viewing it in a very positive way.

That's the positive spin on it, but you've commented before on "blackfishing", which is the much more negative response to that sort of racial ambiguity today.

Other than people like Rachel Dolezal or that maniac Oli London who had plastic surgery to turn himself into a "Korean," you don't see many people openly claiming to have changed races. Though you do see people attempting to "pass," e.g. those perennial academic scandals where it turns out some stridently non-White academic/activist turns out to have rein arischen Abstammung (or at least be 100% White). Even Dolezal originally just wanted to pass in secret I guess. I don't think "transracial" has ever caught on in this context, other than as a critical/pejorative analogue of "transgender."

Transracialism is hard because it crashes into racist stereotypes even harder than trangender crashes into sexist stereotyping. Even the process of changing names -- e.g. Western transgender fixation on "deadnames" -- could turn pretty racist pretty quickly. Is Peter going to demand you call him Pedro? Is Sean going to demand you call him DeShawn? There's a sensitivity around stereotypical ethnic names that doesn't exist with gendered names. It may be weird, but it's not particularly sexist when Alistair becomes Alison, or Tristan becomes Iseult. And so on. The equivalent of the problem of female erasure that transgenderism creates/exacerbates is just so much worse when it becomes about race. And someone pleading "my existence" isn't going to be enough to get people to ignore the implicit racism in the proposition. At least not yet.

rhhardin said...

There's nothing wrong with blackface. It's pretending to pretend to be black, strictly speaking.

wendybar said...

I wonder if anybody will comment about the trans student who raped a girl in the Loudonville school district. Her father was the one arrested at the school board meeting when he tried to talk about their cover up of it. We were told we were crazy if we thought men would pretend to be girls so they would be allowed into bathrooms and locker rooms and we were called transphobic. WE are owed an apology, and this father should sue the HELL out of the school system that tried to cover it up.

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wendybar said...

Loudoun County...not Loudonville.

khematite said...

Johnny Otis, who played an important role in the development of early R&B, but who is probably best remembered today for "Willie and the Hand Jive," was the son of Greek immigrants but chose to live his life as a member of the black community.

"Johnny grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood in Berkeley, California, where his father owned a grocery store. He became known for his choice to live his professional and personal life as a member of the African-American community. He wrote, 'As a kid I decided that if our society dictated that one had to be black or white, I would be black.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Otis

Earnest Prole said...

The most important example of a transracial musician would be Johnny Otis, the Godfather of Rhythm and Blues. Otis not only performed as a black man but also lived his personal life as one. Born Ioannis Alexandres Veliotes in Vallejo, California, the son of Greek immigrants Alexander J. Veliotes and Irene Kiskakes, “He became known for his choice to live his professional and personal life as a member of the African-American community. . . . ‘As a kid I decided that if our society dictated that one had to be black or white, I would be black.’”

Mr. T. said...

Left-wing media groups (WP, Inside Higher Ed, Facebook of course) love to turn off comments to topics and stories that they know will receive push back either due to false material or narrative disruption.

Case in point: the Capitol Times and Milwaukee Sentinel are refusing to allow comments on news stories regarding far-left pedophile democrat Brett Blomme's guilty pleas, and his connection to Evers, the WI state democrat party, and his sordid attempt to extort the taxpayers of Wisconsin for his criminal actions.

DLNE said...

To be clear, "He compared my existence to someone doing blackface" is an incorrect statement from the complainer. More precisely, Chappelle said that certain Feminists make that comparison.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

In Soviet America - there are two groups.

Group A - Those who CAN be offended.

Group B - It is illegal to offend these people.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Jaclyn Moore, a transgender writer who worked on the Netflix original “Dear White People”....

Dear racist pig: FOAD

Jeff Weimer said...

*Drag Queens* are doing an impression. Not sure, and I'm certain it varies depending on the individual, what Trans are doing.

cassandra lite said...

"Why is what transgender women are doing different from blackface?"

Just so.

tim maguire said...

"[TERFS] look at transgender women the way we blacks look at blackface. They go 'Oh, this bitch is doing an impression of me!"

Where are you left if you accept the comparison at face value because you don't care enough to reason out whether it makes sense and you are fine with women doing it even if it is blackface because you know that blackface is just fine and there is nothing particularly racist about it?

Mikey NTH said...

The special pleading is becoming more frantic as the heretics to "woke" multiply.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Oh, they haven't got the nerve, guts or balls to do that!

Michael K said...

Gender dysphoria is metastasizing.

Zev said...

It's a clever comparison.

Kevin said...

Future scholars will examine Elvis' lyrics, costumes, and dance moves to determine he was actually transgender.

Or they use whatever term of art will have replaced transgender at that time.

Because in the future anyone who used the term transgender in the past will be cancelled.

ThatsGoingToLeaveA said...

I really don't understand... What is the significant difference between (a penis person that identifies as a woman and dresses as a woman) and (a melanin deficient person who identifies as a person of color and wears blackface)?

DimWhit said...

Decades ago I knew a woman--white-in LA who dated exclusively black men, meaning her social life was centered in the black community. Her comment was 'Once you go black, you never go back.'

Iman said...

Can’t allow another protected class. EVERYONE must be subject to ridicule. All who take offense shouldbe encouraged to grow up and get over it.

Dave Begley said...

Yes, let's talk about transgenderism.

There is an organization called the Women’s Fund of Omaha. It has at least a $20m budget; surely most of the money from liberal Susie Buffett.

It was the moving force behind a recent attempt to change the sex ed standards in NE. One thing they wanted was to inform 5th graders about transgender hormones. Thankfully, they were stopped by my friend and GOP candidate for Governor Jim Pillen.

Think about that. Kids don’t have the legal, intellectual or moral authority to make life-changing decisions like that but the Left is pushing for it. You have to be 21 to buy alcohol or tobacco, but Libs are perfectly fine letting children change their genders.

This is should be made illegal. Just like kids under 16 can't consent to having sexual intercourse, then should NOT be allowed to consent to changing genders. Kids must be protected. Protected from liberals. Protected from rotten and crazy doctors. Protected from their crazy parents.

I used to think I couldn't be surprised about modern depravity, but this is totally shocking to me.

The Left is pure evil. The Left won’t protect children.

Mark said...

Jaclyn Moore, a transgender writer who worked on the Netflix original “Dear White People”....wrote, “He compared my existence to someone doing blackface.”

At least Moore is allowed to exist. If Moore has his way, women will be (and are being) erased. It is misogynistic male privilege all over again.

Temujin said...

I'm sorry our society has turned into a place where we have to do surgery on comedy to make sure it's OK to use. OK to say. OK to laugh at it. Or simply, OK to think it.

It's a comedy special. Don't like Chappelle's comedy? Don't watch it. Move on. Dot Org.

Michael P said...

Dressing in drag is the closer analogy to blackface -- a costume donned during a performance, and not a professed identity. That's why being transgender is not like blackface.

However, very few people are terribly supportive of The Artist Formerly Known As... Rachel Dolezal.

Joe Smith said...

Until you cut off your junk, it's all just dress-up.

If you don't like being a 'woman' you can always go back to being a male oppressor.

Not so easy for real women and real black people...

cubanbob said...

Being Black is not a body dysphoria. Transsexualism isn't equivalent to race. If adults want to engage in transexualism thats fine. Their body, their choice. However their choice should not be imposed on others. Their rights are not superior to the rights of others.

Xmas said...

I get the feeling that the people that are complaining the most about Chapelle's special didn't actually listen to what he was saying. Nor did they pick up on his anger that one of his friends was hounded by her own community (possibly to suicide) simply because she stood up for Dave.

hawkeyedjb said...

If a man pretends to be a woman, that's something sacred and it's "phobic" to fail to get in line. But if a white woman (Rachel Dolezal, Jessica Krug) pretends to be black, she is ruined socially and her career ended. Why the enormous, stinking double standard?

Narr said...

I garnered more acknowledgment from scores of writers and scholars, for doing less, than I got from Guralnick for working my ass off. I'm not even in the smallest print, by name.

But such is the lot of the humble librarian-archivist.

Enjoy the books. Memphis is the only place all that could have happened.

Tina Trent said...

For the past several months, every single form I've had to fill out in medical settings include questions such as: "what gender do you identify with?" or "what gender were you at birth?"

How is this not a violation of my existence, let alone my identity? And if we're going to change the forms this way, let's be sure to do the same with race and ethnicity. "What race do you consider yourself?" "What ethnicity were you when you were born?"

No takers?

How about this: "Do you view yourself as a Jew?"

My husband has not seen a single form that asks similar questions of males. So let's not pretend this isn't just the Left's powerful gender cabal's latest effort to eliminate heterosexual women, whom they collectively despise.

If you are a heterosexual female and vote Democrat, you're going to get what you voted for, and you're going to get it good and hard.

Mark said...

TERF - Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminist.

Critical Sex Theory.


No. Quite the opposite.

A "TERF" says that a woman is a woman, and a man is not a woman. And so-called "transgender women," says the TERF, is NOT a woman AT ALL.

Critical sex theory says that sex and gender are merely power constructs and whoever is in power says what sex and gender are. Thus, it is appropriate to impose upon everyone the obvious lie that a man can be a woman. Transgender ideology is the critical theory, not the "TERF" who recognizes basic concepts of reason and rational thought.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

In regards to transsexuals, I don't care what identity you care to consider yourself, but, like Chappelle, I don't see why I should be mandated to participate in your acting out of your identity. I don't know you, chances are I won't ever know you, I don't give a crap about what your personal pronouns are. The fact that you feel the need to have them and are trying to impose them on me tells me that you are a narcist who I don't want to associate with. Go away now. And, also, everyone gets jokes made about them. Well adjusted, mentally balanced people take it with good humor.

Lucien said...

Blackface was the salient feature of minstrel shows, which mocked and denigrated black people, so that now true blackface as viewed as a token of racism. Putting on darker makeup to dress up as Dianna Ross, or Michael Jordan does not mock or denigrate them, but is a token of admiration, and shouldn't be called blackface (though that ship may have sailed). Similarly, becoming a transgender woman does not bespeak an antipathy toward women, though, perhaps no admiration either if one believes that one truly is a woman.
Still adult human males are men and adult human females are women. And if you have neither XY nor XX chromosomes, your gender status is beyond my expertise. Nevertheless, I think any pair of humans that can naturally procreate includes a male and a female.

rhhardin said...

Blackface would be like Milton Berle dressing as a woman - he's pretending to pretend to be a woman. You're pretending to pretend to be black.


Trans is pretending to be a woman. No extra pretending in front.

tim in vermont said...

Being clear about what he said takes all of the fun out of it.

tim in vermont said...

So some white guy posing as a black person writing to "white people" get's upset because Chappell admittedly speculated on what so called "TERFs" were feeling?

Real American said...

Not sure why "Trans" people think they're above mockery or criticism. Oh, wait. I do know. It interferes with the politics they're pushing on everyone.

cr said...

He is BIPOC, so he probably has immunity. Not so much that football coach. JK Rowling has a mountain of money to protect her. But it looks like only select people now can speak their minds on a whole array of things.

gspencer said...

Why doesn't the WP open everything to open comment?

Really, you need to ask that question?

Censorship is SOP for the left.

richlb said...

Navin R. Johnson was born a poor black child.

William said...

The dog that didn't bark. I saw the special. He made a joke about VP Pence. He claimed that Pence was one of those sad gays that don't even know that they're gay. I don't think there's a lot of collaborative evidence to support that claim, but that's what Chappelle said. It's a nasty crack, but accept his premise for the moment. Are gay men who wish to appear straight entitled to that pretense, or is that some kind of heteronormative face. Should all gay man be coached to appear delicate and sensitive or are they entitled to go bear hunting if they so desire.....The special was okay. He seemed more sympathetic to the quandaries of transgendered people than to those of a Republican politician who wished to remain faithful to his wife, but congrats for his putting one toe over the line..... Prelates, poets, and philosophers have a sketchy record when it comes to moral guidance, but, nonetheless, I would advise against seeking answers to life's thorny problems in the sets of comedians and rock musicians. The Charley Brown cartoon used to be a pretty good source of wisdom, but Charles Schulz has passed on. We're all alone on this expiring wreck of a planet.

Big Mike said...

I recommend more speech. Why is what transgender women are doing different from blackface?

Yes, but Deplorable people might convey ideas that have not been properly vetted by whoever reviews and censors bad ideas for the Tech Companies.

Yancey Ward said...

Carolyn S makes the point in the first comment about how ridiculous this all is. If a man can identify as a woman, than Rachel Doleazal did nothing wrong in identifying herself as black. The fact that she got cancelled for doing so proves Fen's Law once more.

MadisonMan said...

As I was reading the paper tonight (hard copy! Newsprint!) I noticed the Petitions for Name Changes. There were 6, as I recall, and they were from sex to the other -- more F to M than M to F. It was interesting to compare the old and new names. For the most part, initials were retained. One person changed a last name too. I wonder what the cost is. You could probably create a comedy shtick with this.

h said...

" I recommend more speech." This only works if both sides believe that their points of view can be expressed logically and justified by speech. When a side realizes that they cannot articulate a reasonable defense of their point of view, that side reverts to "people who disagree with me are evil." And anyone who takes seriously people who disagree with me are also evil. So: do you want to (a) be amused by Dave Chapelle, and be evil? or (b) condemn Dave Chapelle and be a good and admirable person. It's up to you.

Fernandinande said...

you'll be swamped with material about the "transracial" adoption of children,

Search on "transracial" -adoption.

DanTheMan said...

Children should be allowed to chose their gender, and get hormone and puberty blocking therapy if they wish.
Adults are not allowed to chose to be unvaccinated.

If this makes sense to you, ask yourself why.

Bender said...

Until you cut off your junk, it's all just dress-up.

AFTER you cut off your junk, it's all just dress-up.

Darkisland said...

Kevin said...

Future scholars will examine Elvis' lyrics, costumes, and dance moves to determine he was actually transgender.

You probably think you are joking. I don't think you are. I think it will happen.

I'm listening to the History of Rock and Roll in 500 songs in fits and starts. I'm up to about episode 40. It is really great, the guy knows his stuff and has interesting clips and connections that I'd never realized. (Bob Will's Ida Red and Chuck Berry's Maybelline, for example. Or Bo Diddley's fascination with Gene Autrey and cowboy music, for another)

But he is so woke that it is close to a parody of wokeness. Constantly apologizing for talking about black culture and black music even though he is not black, for example. Never apologizing for talking ab out American culture even though he is a Brit, of course.

Anyway, he has talked about Elvis in several episodes so far and will talk ab out him again in future eps. I will not be the least bit surprised if he tries to make the case that Elvis was a closeted gay.

He has already made the case that Little Richard is a closeted transgender (m to f) and would "be" a woman if he had his druthers.

and that Big Mama May Thornton was actually a man living as a trans woman. (I think it was her but it may have been one of the other woman blues singers he was talking about1)

Kind of the way people want to claim that Thoreau (and Lincoln and a hundred others in history) were gay even though there is nothing to suggest it.

Great podcast if you can put up with his smarmy wokeness. I keep saying "No Mas!" but then I keep coming back after a few days.

Darkisland said...

Kevin said...

Future scholars will examine Elvis' lyrics, costumes, and dance moves to determine he was actually transgender.

You probably think you are joking. I don't think you are. I think it will happen.

I'm listening to the History of Rock and Roll in 500 songs in fits and starts. I'm up to about episode 40. It is really great, the guy knows his stuff and has interesting clips and connections that I'd never realized. (Bob Will's Ida Red and Chuck Berry's Maybelline, for example. Or Bo Diddley's fascination with Gene Autrey and cowboy music, for another)

But he is so woke that it is close to a parody of wokeness. Constantly apologizing for talking about black culture and black music even though he is not black, for example. Never apologizing for talking ab out American culture even though he is a Brit, of course.

Anyway, he has talked about Elvis in several episodes so far and will talk ab out him again in future eps. I will not be the least bit surprised if he tries to make the case that Elvis was a closeted gay.

He has already made the case that Little Richard is a closeted transgender (m to f) and would "be" a woman if he had his druthers.

and that Big Mama May Thornton was actually a man living as a trans woman. (I think it was her but it may have been one of the other woman blues singers he was talking about1)

Kind of the way people want to claim that Thoreau (and Lincoln and a hundred others in history) were gay even though there is nothing to suggest it.

Great podcast if you can put up with his smarmy wokeness. I keep saying "No Mas!" but then I keep coming back after a few days.

PM said...

Thought I'd bone up on TERFs. From a Trans website:

"Womanhood is supposedly defined exclusively by “sex-based” oppression, aka oppression as a result of being what terf ideology terms “biologically female”.

As in "Congratulations! It's a girl!"



Joe T. said...

My wife and I went to see the Gospel of Eureka, a movie that contrasted a drag show club with a passion play, both of which took place in Arkansas. Some of our friends, who were progressives, were there with us. Afterwards, I asked, "How is the drag show different from black face? It's parody, it reduces women to stereotypes, it's very broad and simplistic...." The reaction reminded me of that scene in The Christmas Story where Ralph says, "She looked at me as if I had lobsters crawling out of my ears."

Saint Croix said...

The Washington Post ought to have the nerve to open a comments section on this article.

It's profoundly weird to have a "journalist" class that feels superior to ordinary people and has no interest in hearing what they have to say. Instead of loving free speech they are actively hostile to it. They want to censor and control and indoctrinate people.

91% of paid reviewers think Fauci is a great documentary. Only 2% of the audience agrees with them.

That's an insane disconnect.

Chappelle's show is funny, yes, but it's also dramatic and thought-provoking. One of the things that really bugs him -- and a lot of people -- is how narrative is surpassing truth in our media culture.

During The Closer, Chappelle maintains that “gender is a fact.”

It's insane to deny biological reality. What do you say to people who deny that "woman" or "man" is a factual reality? You can see why a comedian would be drawn to this topic.

He goes on to say that “every human being in this room, every human being on Earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on Earth...

This is biological reality. How do liberals even teach sex education at this point? Chappelle starts off by defining reality. And that sets up his joke.

before likening trans women’s genitalia to two brands of plant-based meat substitutes.

That's funny. The people who can't laugh at that are the people who cannot recognize biological realities like "man" or "woman" or "baby" or "human reproduction." A sex-change operation is very much like plant-based meat substitution. It's similar, or as Chappelle might say, "tastes the same." But it's not the same thing.

To insist that it's exactly the same thing is to be a fascist opposed to reality and truth. And it's not surprising that fascists who want to impose a narrative lie on a population are big fans of censorship and implicit use of force to do so.

Lindsey said...

There are idiots online who claim Kurt Cobain was trans. It’s already started.

I’d recommend looking up some TERF media sources on Instagram… Chapelle ignored a big chunk of what they want to make the blackface analogy. Many of them are more concerned about maintaining safe single sex spaces, trans homophobia, etc. Many lesbians report being harassed and called transphobic by M to F who expect the lesbians to date them. They call it the ‘cotton ceiling’ which is a reference to women’s panties. It’s so much more than what Chapelle mentioned.

daskol said...

FWIW Darkisland, Hickey thinks Elvis was on the spectrum, an argument made in one of his blogs if not this podcast (I’m also around episode 40).

MadTownGuy said...

J.K. Rowling objects to the "toxicity" of cancel culture directed toward anyone who dares to challenge the current narrative. How long until people hold book-burning parties for her novels and movies?

J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues

"All the time I’ve been researching and learning, accusations and threats from trans activists have been bubbling in my Twitter timeline. This was initially triggered by a ‘like’. When I started taking an interest in gender identity and transgender matters, I began screenshotting comments that interested me, as a way of reminding myself what I might want to research later. On one occasion, I absent-mindedly ‘liked’ instead of screenshotting. That single ‘like’ was deemed evidence of wrongthink, and a persistent low level of harassment began.

Months later, I compounded my accidental ‘like’ crime by following Magdalen Berns on Twitter. Magdalen was an immensely brave young feminist and lesbian who was dying of an aggressive brain tumour. I followed her because I wanted to contact her directly, which I succeeded in doing. However, as Magdalen was a great believer in the importance of biological sex, and didn’t believe lesbians should be called bigots for not dating trans women with penises, dots were joined in the heads of twitter trans activists, and the level of social media abuse increased.

I mention all this only to explain that I knew perfectly well what was going to happen when I supported Maya. I must have been on my fourth or fifth cancellation by then. I expected the threats of violence, to be told I was literally killing trans people with my hate, to be called cunt and bitch and, of course, for my books to be burned, although one particularly abusive man told me he’d composted them.
"

Marcus said...

At a recent doctor appointment, the form asked me "what gender do you identify as?". I wrote, "Are you serious?" I did not get any feedback from staff.

mikee said...

Jaclyn Moore's complaint and attempt at censorship used to be called a "heckler's veto" and used to be recognized as an absolutely invalid argument against speech. To hell with this person's complaints, and to hell with this person for attempted censorship on the basis of being personally offended. Her reaction to Chapelle can be spelled out in additional speech, which we all can note or ignore at our leisure. Meanwhile, the rest of us can continue to enjoy laughing at humor along with Chapelle. Not just "No!" to heckler's veto, but "HELL NO!"

Critter said...

The debate points pro on this topic (although it’s not clear the posters agree what the topic is) only show the fundamental contradiction between Post Modernism and society. The gender and race woke start from the meta perspective, I.e. it’s my reality, and try to impose that on society as a shared reality. This is the essential reason why the discussion is never satisfying to anyone and frankly, makes my head hurt. You can’t have it both ways. Either you buy into Post Modernism or you don’t. If you do, you cannot sustain a position based on your meta experience and perception of reality and expect everyone else to accept it in the face of their own meta experience and reality. This is also why Post Modernism is the source systemic evil in our world.

Society is and always will be the result of all participants hearing all voices and settling on a current view that corresponds with the majority view and also provides sufficiently for social cohesion. This is a complicated process that takes time and is never settled once and forever. The U.S. used to have a broad consensus centered on Judeo-Christian values, but is currently in a place where pagan views are on the rise. This societal movement, if it continues, will lead us back to far earlier times when anything is acceptable and society breaks down as a force of cohesion. If and when that occurs, the only order in society comes from “the great men” who rule. That is, we will be back at some form of imperial rule with no God given rights. I wonder if the woke ever think about this?

Lurker21 said...

Has Don Rickles been cancelled already? Lenny Bruce? Andrew Dice Clay? Chappelle is better off doing what he's doing and not trying to apologize for it.

Little Richard trans? Isn't that denying that flamboyance may also be a male/masculine characteristic? In the animal world it certainly is. Is there something "masculine" and aggressively attention-grabbing about the most over the top drag performances? Or is that bending and twisting gender too many times? Will it break if we do that?

Elvis on the spectrum? Some gender spectrum or the autism spectrum? The latter is more unexpected and may be more interesting, but a lot of creative people are a little autistic. Clearly, the solitary and reclusive geniuses may be, but is performing for large audiences compatible with a degree of autism, or is it very much the opposite of autistic?

Fernandinande said...

"what gender do you identify with?"...

My husband has not seen a single form that asks similar questions of males


I recently had a hospital form with my "gender identity" already filled out as male, which isn't how it's supposed to work since nobody asked me.

So I went to the hospital's website to change my "gender identity" to "Canadian", but you had to select an "identity" value from a dropdown list, which is almost the same thing as "binary". They had about 4 different ways to enter your "sex", including "assigned at birth", and "on driver's license".