March 8, 2021

The NYT had multiple reporters doing minute-by-minute commentary on Oprah's 2-hour interview with Meghan and Harry.

Weird that they gave that such prominence. 

Here's how all that stuff is processed into something to read this morning: "A Raw Look Behind Palace Doors as Meghan and Harry Meet With Oprah: Highlights/In a two-hour interview with Oprah Winfrey, Meghan Markle made dramatic disclosures, including that there were 'concerns and conversations about how dark' her son’s skin might be." 

Excerpt: 

Despite his life of privilege, Harry said, he felt trapped and “didn’t see a way out.” 

“Without question she saved me,” he said. 

Harry alluded to strained relations with his father, Prince Charles, and his older brother, Prince William, both of whom he also described as “trapped” in their roles.

Did Oprah ask them if they watch "The Crown"? I bet they do.

113 comments:

wendybar said...

He seems more trapped by being with her, than he has ever been before that....

Sydney said...

What kind of ratings did this interview get? I can’t imagine they are all that interesting to most Americans. Maybe it got good international ratings, if there is such a thing. And two hours seems excessive.

Rob said...

When the newspapers published naked pictures of Prince Harry in 2012, there was a big star over his asshole. Was that added by the newspapers or is that the way Royals are born?

Jersey Fled said...

We are truly living in the end times.

JAORE said...

Oprah interviews back bench members of a family with no discernible ties to modern life.

Now that is must (not) see TV.

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Despite his life of privilege, Harry said, he felt trapped and “didn’t see a way out.”

Step one, grow a pair.
Step two, pack bag.
Step three, say goodbye.
Step four, leave.

Unless, of course, the pampered life of a royal (in 2021!) is the real "trap".

Whew. That's more thought than I've ever given to the Royals, Diana included.

tim maguire said...

I can understand Harry's feeling of being trapped. For all the opulence, I think it must be an oppressive nightmare to be a member of the royal family. And if you have no realistic prospect of actually being king, then there's not even a point. So while I have no opinion on Meghan and their relationship, I can easily see why he would grasp at the opportunity she offered to escape all that.

Bob Boyd said...

Weird that they gave that such prominence.

Not so weird. Progs have always been obsessed with status and the relation of race to status.

iowan2 said...

My mother considered herself a British subject. Even though her grandmother was born in the States. She know more about linage and Royal blood than any person I had encountered.(that's a very low bar). She read everything she could get her hands on about the Royal family, and Queen Elizabeth.

With all of that, the obsession with English Royalty still leaves me, meh.

I just fail to understand what is going on with these two, effect a single person other than themselves. I know of 100's people that are genuinely interesting and impactful. These two? Nothing.

rehajm said...

I probably have more of an affinity for the royals than perhaps I should but that affinity is only for the royals, however. Edward and Wallis 2.0 are not royals now, but just two more pikers with an instagram page and a Netflix deal.

Bob Boyd said...

there was a big star over his asshole. Was that added by the newspapers or is that the way Royals are born?

What did Dr. Suess know and when did he know it?

Fernandinande said...

Progs have always been obsessed with status and the relation of race to status.

So the nyt's interest stems from the fact that the female isn't entirely white? Makes sense.

Despite his life of privilege, Harry said, he felt trapped and “didn’t see a way out.”

These people are amusing, in a "15 minutes of fame" kinda way, but not two hours worth of amusing.

stevew said...

Thinking about this some I end up focused on the contradiction of his privilege (which he seems not to understand or accept) and his feeling trapped by being a member of the royal family. Meghan strikes me as a grifter or gold digger.

Then I realize I just don't care enough to develop a complete understanding of them. I am curious to see the ratings for the broadcast. Will be surprised unless they are middling.

Jake said...

“I pray, Mr Adams, that the United States does not suffer unduly from its want of a monarchy.”

rehajm said...

...and I'm not gonna click but that concern over skin color could have been a legitimate concern for the child's acceptance from the from the black people, from woke leftie whites, from the twitterverse bullies. I bet they don't mention that...

Leland said...

It is funny that during a time when “White Privilege” is a concept; the NYT and Oprah think the most important thing is to report on how downtrodden the most privileged amongst us are.

iowan2 said...

My streaming service has the interview up to stream.

I have important things to do that pushes this interview off my priority list.

I was traveling yesterday, so I must watch the recording of the Iowa, Wisconsin, basketball game. Don't anybody post the score!. Although, the teaser on the local news hinted at an exceptional box score for Garza.

Lawrence Person said...

It's only "weird" if you somehow still believe that The New York Times exists to provide actual news rather than underpin the desired narrative of the Democratic Media Complex.

Why do you persist in pretending otherwise?

320Busdriver said...

Just watched Piers Morgan absolutely destroy Merkle and Harry on FOX. Check his Twitter if you are interested. He claims much of what was said, especially the more explosive racist accusations, is complete hogwash. It is pretty funny to hear a “ royal” complain about being a prisoner in a castle. I rate their relevance as a .2 on a scale of 1 to 10.

stevew said...

This Harry and Meghan business reminded me of this:

I Want the Girl that I marry to have that special something

Sebastian said...

"Weird that they gave that such prominence."

Why? It's perfect for the prime audience of soap opera women, and it helps to tear own another traditional institution. Right in the NYT sweet spot. A twofer.

Breezy said...

I read that Meghan complained that Archie would not have the title of Prince, nor the required security of that, which she said was the norm. In fact, it is not the norm. She was and is mistaken and it’s a travesty that she gets away with this victimhood ploy. Oprah should have challenged that.

I agree she comes across as a gold digger. If Harry needed her to spring free, if he really needed to be free of the family, he should have done that on his own. Too bad, as he will forever look weak and submissive to Meghan.

David Begley said...

Fuck the royals; all of them. The biggest freeloaders and con men in the world.

The UK should expropriate their wealth.

We fought - and won - a war to get away from those leaches.

Humperdink said...

I am guessing this interview was not ratings hit with the Neanderthal/deplorable demographic. I know I missed it.

d-day said...

It's news because it's part of an effort that may be successful to remake or abolish the British monarchy, which is thought to be in peril when the current queen dies and the country will have to contend with her idiot son.

chickelit said...

there was a big star over his asshole. Was that added by the newspapers or is that the way Royals are born?

You obviously never played with a Play Doh Fun Factory as a kid. They made it easy to make star-shaped bars and logs.

Birches said...

Trapped by what? Duty? Responsibility? Because it must not be celebrity. Otherwise, they wouldn't be sitting down to chat with Oprah. Markle and Harry want all the perks, none of the obligations.

alfromchgo said...

New room conferences: "We took down Trump, now let us try for Liz"

Kate said...

It's the same story every time. This is why the news/entertainment business has become so tedious.

The Queen (the white conservative) was mean with good reason but who cares. She was mean! The Upstart (the POC prog) was offended. Offended! Guess which side gets to explain in extensive detail and which side is the cardboard villain.

I find the story repetitive and unwatchable, but apparently the ratings are good enough.

RoseAnne said...

The Netflix deals irritate me. If they (Obamas, etc) negotiate a multi-million dollar deal for a program or series of programs about themselves or their area of interest, more power to them. When they get a 100 million dollar deal to "develop" unspecified projects, then you know the only result you will see is your Netflix bill going up to cover it.

RoseAnne said...

Just looked back at previous comments and was reminded of my other thought ...

A British comedian was doing a rant on what the difference between todays concerns and those of previous generations and mentioned "my grandmother watched the Battle of Britain being fought over her house". The Queen - along with every mother who every lived - has made some mistakes in her life, but she has also ruled through some of the most major events in the history of Great Britain and sometimes did so with the battle literally going on around her.

Cut your grandmother some slack, Harry.

Sally327 said...

I think gratitude and humility are both in terribly short supply these days.

But then those aren't the qualities that lead to primetime TV interviews with Oprah so maybe that's why.

"Never complain, never explain", a quote from a former PM, Benjamin Disraeli. Which I've always liked, it's so pithy, so British. But not embroidered on a pillow anywhere in that mansion Harry and Meghan are living in I'm guessing. "Whinge and Wail" more like it.

Francisco D said...

Speaking of the Royal Family, I came to the conclusion that we are currently repeating the reign of Henry VI and his grasping wife Margaret.

When the Tudors took over they villainized Richard III just like the Democrats and GOPe are villainizing Donald Trump. Richard was "hunchback man bad".

Considering the meaninglessness and depravity of English royal offspring, pussy whipped Harry is completely insignificant in the scheme of things.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

stevew said... [hush]​[hide comment]

I Want the Girl that I marry to have that special something

Huuuuuge tracts of land?

JMS said...

Yes, Oprah asked if they watched The Crown and they said they watched "some of it."

Dave Begley said...

I don't think people fully appreciate what the Founding Fathers did and what they risked. We very easily could have lost the war; especially at the beginning. All of the Founders would have been executed and their property taken from their families. George Washington's head would have been put on a pike and paraded around NYC.

The UK is our ally, but we left their corrupt - and stupid - system of governance. They don't even have a written constitution!

Rick.T. said...

I know I missed it.
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Well I wouldn’t exactly say we missed it.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Despite his life of privilege, Harry said, he felt trapped and “didn’t see a way out.”

Then why are they bitching about their son not being styled HRH Price Archie?

rcocean said...

The Royal Family is well rid of those two. Supposedly Megan underwent psychological assistance while 5 months pregnant. Oh and Kate committed some sort of Micro=aggression that she later apologized for. And..so what?

The only point of the Royal Family is to provide a good example and be figure-heads for the Country. If they're just trashy Kardashians with Royal titles, they are worthless. Its obvious that Prince Harry is a loser, and that Marckle will probably divorce him within 10 years. And then he can go back to obscurity.


rcocean said...

Queen Liz will probably die soon and Charles will be King. Or he'll let this elder son do it. I think the Royal Family will then disappear from the headlines, because women are much less interested in Kings than in Queens.

BTW, I was shocked at how young so many of queen elizabeth's aunts and uncles, along with her father/mother, died. Partly it was the inferior medical care, but it seems to have mostly due to cigarettes and a fatty diet.

Ralph L said...

Her mother lived to 101 and her aunt Alice to 103. Philip's mother smoked like a chimney and lived into her 80's, as did Queen Mary. The Duke of Windsor also smoked and lived to 78.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Oprah did ask Harry and Meghan if they watched The Crown, and their answer was, “Some of it.” As one suspects the answer really is, “All of it,” that marks them as being somewhat disingenuous. I finished season 4 on Saturday, so it was natural to watch the interview on Sunday. I thought that season 4 was somewhat disappointing, in that I remember the time period covered, and the reality of it was so much more interesting. Is it wrong to say that the Royal Family has made for some great reality TV? It’s entertaining, if one doesn’t take it too seriously.

I thought Meghan was also a little disingenuous in saying that not giving her son the title of Prince Archie was a breach of precedent. It turns out the great-grandchildren of the sovereign are not ordinarily given the title of prince. An exception was made for the children of Prince William, who is in the direct line of succession, but none of the other great-grandchildren of Queen Elizabeth are styled as Prince or Princess. Eventually, Archie is in line to get his father’s Dukedom, and now is entitled to be called an Earl, so it’s hard to get excited about the Prince - Duke - Earl condescension. One can see a legitimate interest in not having too many Royal princes running around. In 50 to 60 years, when Prince George might become King, does he really need a first cousin running around calling himself His Royal Highness?

The one big area where I think Oprah failed to adequately follow up was on Meghan’s attempts to get treatment for her mental health crisis. Did Meghan ultimately get professional help? Her story about going to the HR department and being told they couldn’t help her because she did not have a paid job was priceless. I thought at first “HR department” was a euphemism for one of the royals, but it seems she meant the actual HR department for employees of the Royal Family. To be a fly on the wall for that meeting, ...

On the whole, though, I thought Harry came off reasonably well. He didn’t quite give up the name of the Royal who engaged him in the racially-charged inquiry about the complexion of his not-yet-born son, but he’s now told Oprah it wasn’t Queen Elizabeth or Prince Phillip, which does point to Prince Charles or Duchess Camilla, or perhaps Prince William or Duchess Kate. If it was one of them, would it be a smart move to own up to it and make a public apology? That would make for good TV.

Krumhorn said...

I didn’t believe a word out of that scheming shrew’s mouth. This was all a very carefully calculated circus act. The Ginger is a pussy.

- Krumhorn

Joe Smith said...

I was very surprised the first time I read/heard that Markle was 'black.'

I was also surprised that Harris is 'black' and Markle is much lighter/less black-looking than Kamala.

So the question is, how can you be discriminated against for being black if nobody knows you're black?

It reminds me of the Eddie Murphy character when he transforms himself into a white man and everything is amazing in his life.

The part where she slanders the royal family for worrying about the color of the baby's skin...(would it be too dark?), was especially egregious and fucking hilarious.

She's whiter than me (Italian) and Harry is a ginger.

Unless she was impregnated by Dikembe Mutumbo, that kid is going to look like an Aryan poster child.

Roy Lofquist said...

The NYT is still pissed that we won the Revolutionary War.

Brian said...

I thought at first “HR department” was a euphemism for one of the royals, but it seems she meant the actual HR department for employees of the Royal Family. To be a fly on the wall for that meeting, ...

She's a millenial. "What resources can you give me..."

Balfegor said...

Weird that they gave that such prominence.

I bet this wasn't so much an editorial choice as a bunch of reporters were really interested in the interview so the editors told them fine, go ahead.

Rick said...

If you're put off by the NYT don't go to the Daily Mail. They seem to have a separate article on every controversy or disclosure. They always cover the royals obsessively but this is insane.

This will end Meghan and Harry's popularity in England. They made her career and she's so self-centered in return she offers backbiting. The whole episode is so low class.

Mr Wibble said...

They don't even have a written constitution!

In fairness, it's not like ours does us a whole lot of good these days.

Mr Wibble said...

I can understand Harry's feeling of being trapped. For all the opulence, I think it must be an oppressive nightmare to be a member of the royal family. And if you have no realistic prospect of actually being king, then there's not even a point. So while I have no opinion on Meghan and their relationship, I can easily see why he would grasp at the opportunity she offered to escape all that.

This. Harry is always going to play second fiddle, and would have no opportunity to make a name for himself or live a life free of the spotlight. Honestly, if it wasn't for his name I suspect he'd end up career military, or have some survivalist/extreme challenge YouTube channel.

MayBee said...

The only thing that made them interesting is their Royalness. They are wealthy, attractive, and privileged. That can be fun to watch. But turning around and trashing the Royal Family is a disaster for them. What makes them interesting if they disavow the one thing that makes them interesting?

What a PR nightmare they are.

LYNNDH said...

Poor Harry. Condemned to a life of pain and suffering with what's her name.
Some day he might really regret getting married to her.

Unknown said...

There should be something in the Declaration that allows us to deport these two twits.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Apparently there is a huge stink in the UK over them claiming they were married in a private ceremony three days before the public wedding. Per Anglican doctrine marriage is a sacrament and can only be performed once, you must stick to the wedding vows in the Book of Common Prayer, there must be witnesses, and there must be an opportunity for objections to be raised.

Meghan's claim that there was a private marriage ceremony at their house involving just them and the Archbishop of Canterbury, where they read their own vows is not flying as it would not be considered a marriage by the C of E. If there were witnesses and the ceremony was handled in proper form, then the public wedding comes off as having tricked the high officials of the C of E and the American Episcopal Church into performing a sham sacrament for PR purposes and public spectacle.

Howard said...

Blogger David Begley said...
Blah...blah...blah...

We fought - and won - a war to get away from those leaches.


We? Typical Trump Cuck taking credit for the bravery of others long dead. By your logic, we are responsible for native American genocide and a huge chunk of the African slave trade.

I suppose you support reparations because we slaughtered, poisoned, displaced, captured, tortured, and murdered a hundred million innocent people to become the richest and most powerful nation in History.

How do you sleep at night taking credit for that?

Howard said...

Houses in Montecito don't float on water.

Krumhorn said...

I loved her statement that she naively was not prepared for how smothering royal life would be. As our hostess would say, that was some very ripe bullshit right there. She was no 17 yr old ingenue. She had been on the cover of Vogue before she was even engaged to the Ginger. She had a cadre of very well-paid lawyers, managers, and PR types who knew perfectly well what life in one of the many palaces would be like.

It’s my guess that she took Katie Cambridge for an easy mark who she could maul and neck snap and intimidate into doing a co-queen sort of deal when the day comes. Katie, however, is no chump and told her to fuck off. Katie knows perfectly well that she has much hotter legs than Markle’s “So don’t stand in front of me at the photo shoots, you C-word!”

- Krumhorn

Kassaar said...

"By the time I'd finished the whole two-hour orgy of pious, self-indulgent, score-settling twaddle, the steam was erupting out of my ears like an exploding geyser, and my lexicon of rageful epithets extended to the full range of the alphabet."

Are you alright, Mr. Morgan?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9338343/PIERS-MORGAN-Meghan-Harrys-nauseating-two-hour-Oprah-whine-athon-disgraceful-diatribe.html

William said...

I don't pay that much attention to the Royal Family, but The Crown was a good show. The Royal Family should watch it and pick up pointers on how to act in public. The actors/royals on The Crown were so much more appealing and interesting than the real thing......The drama of life for most of us is to find something significant or worthwhile to do and to achieve a modicum of wealth or status by our efforts. These efforts often involve unpleasant activities and end in failure or frustration....Not so much with the Royals. By birth, their lives are significant and status laden. Even if like, say, George III, they're obstinate, stupid, and occasionally crazy, their lives retain status and significance. All in all, it's a pretty good gig with more things to alleviate than to aggravate the burden of existence. One drawback, though, is you're not allowed to publicly complain....Colin Kaepernick also has had a sweet deal. What makes it even sweeter is that when he bitches about the inequity of his life's burdens, people not only sympathize but consider his bitching some kind of brave, selfless act.

stlcdr said...



Howard portrays his idiocy, nastiness and all round hatred quite well.

rcocean said...

I find this whole kerfuffle shocking. After all, who was a better fit for the Royal Family, than a 30-something, divorced, half-irish, half-black American actress who's the daughter of a bankrupt TV lighting director who married her mother at the temple of Paramahansa Yogananda?

Her whole life and background says "hard work" "stability" and "Christian values".

Sam L. said...

Ahhhhhh, Megan: The Creature from the La Brea Tar Pits. Why yes, I DO think she's not a nice person.

Big Mike said...

Has anyone else seen Megan Markle’s acting? Wife and were curious enough to watch her in a Hallmark movie. The writing was terrible, the plot was preposterous, and her acting would have to improve to be called wooden. Not my best use of a couple mid-afternoon hours.

rcocean said...

Lets be honest. can we talk? As joan rivers would say. Megan has gotten one pass after another and be treated with kid gloves because she's half-black. She's a hilarious example of the upper-class British Love of Black Folks. It could be that some of the Royal Family had uh..reservations, but in public they - along with the UK Press - were hysterically happy over a black woman being a member of the Royal Family. I suppose it was even better than adopting an Ethiopian baby like many Rich Americans do.

Even now, people are tip-toeing around her flaws, and giving her the benefit of the doubt. They've been hoisted on their own idiotic petard.

rcocean said...

In the old days, Princes and English Kings had strings of mistresses and it was kept more or less quiet. And people would be quietly pleased that the King was such a "randy fellow". now, the poor fellows can't even go to Epstein's island without someone making a fuss.

No wonder they all want to leave the Royal family.

Michael K said...

We? Typical Trump Cuck taking credit for the bravery of others long dead. By your logic, we are responsible for native American genocide and a huge chunk of the African slave trade.

3.5 % of the slave trade is the number I have seen. 40% went to Brazil.

Howard is great keyboard commando.

I think smallpox was the cause of most of the Amerindian "genocide," just as measles was the cause in Polynesia.

Yancey Ward said...

I bet the kid turns out to be whiter than I am.

Yancey Ward said...

Or was that actually the "concern"?

Yancey Ward said...

If the kid turns out darker than the mother, then Harry might want to do a surreptitious DNA test.

Scott M said...

Doesn't that start off with misinformation? How is at look behind palace doors when you're talking about a couple that voluntarily gave up calling the palace home? Wouldn't it be "behind the condo doors" or something like that?

rwnutjob said...

Psaki was asked about the interview at the press conference & answered it. Because that's easier than answering about COVID positive illegals being released

Howard said...

Has anyone seen Megan in a pencil skirt and silk blouse? Acting schmacting.

Breezy said...

I’m disgusted by the fact that these 3 people did this victimhood interview for millions of dollars each, while thousands of people around them are not able to work and make any kind of living. They are the real victims. These three should donate their earnings from this to the others who truly need it.

TheDopeFromHope said...

Howard said: "I suppose you support reparations because we slaughtered, poisoned, displaced, captured, tortured, and murdered a hundred million innocent people to become the richest and most powerful nation in History."

He must be thinking of the Soviet and Chinese Communists, as well as the National Socialist Workers Partei, then you get to 100 million, probably more.

Birches said...

I'm sure the question about skin color was probably genuine curiosity.

My kids are mixed Latino. I have friends who have one forth Latino grandchildren. We've speculated endlessly about how dark they'd be. Is that something only the darker skinned people are allowed to do?

Static Ping said...

This sort of royalty dysfunction is not particularly unusual. There were almost always these sorts of malcontents in royal families throughout history. Harry is, if anything, a mild example. It's just that today we get to learn about it in real time. In the past, the malcontents typically had the good sense to be discreet. Being too public about their complaints could get them cut off from the posh lifestyle they had become accustomed, if not exiled somewhere or make them a victim of a "tragedy." Alas, in these days when tech lords could buy and sell the English royal family if they so chose and talentless "celebrities" can get rich, not to mention that executioners are so 16th century, the threat of getting cut off is not what it used to be.

On the plus side, he didn't drag the country into civil war to usurp the crown, as was the typical historical pastime of such malcontents. Marrying a C-list actress and voluntarily fleeing to America to complain to Oprah seems quaint in comparison.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Aaaaah, TheDopeFromHope beat me to it. Howard, did you pull that 100 million out of your fanny, or were you deliberately trying to equal The Black Book of Communism's figure for the victims of Communism worldwide? See, We're exactly as bad as They were!

Michael K is right, btw. The reason we had so many slaves and yet so small a percentage of the transatlantic slave trade is, to put it bluntly, that slaves in the rest of the Americas were mostly male and deliberately worked to death at an early age, then replaced. Whereas slaves in the US were in much more equal sex balance, and lived to reproduce and grow old. This is not a particularly lovely vision of US slavery -- there were all sorts of perfectly selfish reasons for American slavers to act as they did -- but it does bear keeping in mind when arguing that we were uniquely evil. (I should add that there was slavery all through Africa -- still is, in some places -- as well as Europe and Asia and, well, pretty well everywhere. The slaves weren't all Black, and the slaveowners weren't all white.)

TheDopeFromHope said...

Hey Howard, now do the Muslim slave traders

Chennaul said...

I thought Meghan was also a little disingenuous in saying that not giving her son the title of Prince Archie was a breach of precedent. It turns out the great-grandchildren of the sovereign are not ordinarily given the title of prince. An exception was made for the children of Prince William, who is in the direct line of succession, but none of the other great-grandchildren of Queen Elizabeth are styled as Prince or Princess.


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I thought that was their strongest point but you have kind of decimated it.

Someone upthread said that Meghan passes as white and that she might never have experienced racism. Look at younger pictures of her, she straightens her hair for reasons, Also as someone upthread has said, I have heard hours of discussion about skin tone from Black Americans.

In defense of Meghan and Harry I think we have no idea how relentless the British media are, and how much vile content there might have been.

Diana giving Harry an inheritance gave him the freedom to say this is too much shit to put up with for a back row spare royal.

The problem that might happen for Harry however is that he has been completely isolated. Also I think Meghan’s suicide threats dovetail neatly with his mother’s situation and that is now how he finds himself as isolated from his family as Meghan was from hers. She also is an only child...

Anyways, the timing do this during his grandfather’s stay in the hospital with some giving the excuse that he is 99 actually makes it more gross and that timing is inexcusable.

But in the end Oprah got her six million dollars and the media got yet another feeding frenzy.

JAORE said...

Princess Graceless.

The Crack Emcee said...

"Weird that they gave that such prominence."

As long as you insist on marginalizing the influence of the NewAge Movement - which is, most definitely, the "hidden hand" guiding our lives now - you'll keep on unconvincingly insisting things are "weird" and "strange" and unstoppable, like someone saying "God" when they don't understand Science.

It's extremely depressing to me to know white people can be this stubbornly stupid for this many years. I was told they were SMART when I was a kid.

Leland said...

So I read elsewhere that one of Megan's claim of racism was that their son wouldn't receive a title of nobility. Apparently, she didn't pay attention in her various classes provided about being a royal before she got married. She was provided them precisely to help her understand what she was getting in to in terms of how the family worked. Her husband was in line for the throne when he was born to Charles Prince of Wales. Harry retained a title even as his chance of succession to the throne diminished with the birth of his nephew.

Because Archie is so far removed from the highest line of succession, he wasn't to be granted the title of "his royal highness". His parents were still offered that their son be titled Earl of Dumbarton, but Harry and Megan opted for Master and to raise their child as a private citizen. To be a private citizen, you can't have a title of nobility. So it was the parent's choice. Just as it was their choice to leave the royal family.

And lets not forget they are hardly the first to leave. Harry's Great Uncle left the family as he preferred Nazism over other western cultures. Harry's Uncle was recently forced out of the family for his ties to Epstein. Leaving the royal family is nothing new and is often for less than noble reasons.

JaimeRoberto said...

I don't care if they watch The Crown. I wonder if they watch The Windsors.

Scott M said...

It's extremely depressing to me to know white people can be this stubbornly stupid for this many years. I was told they were SMART when I was a kid.

Then whoever told you that is incredibly stupid, you were naively stupid to believe it, and stubbornly stupid to find it incredulous now. Intelligence falls on a curve for all humans, no matter their backgrounds, as you probably know from hanging out on the left side of the bell. How many years have black voters been overwhelmingly voting for the same party with, apparently, no improvement in their overall lot in life? Is that also extremely depressing?

Scott M said...

Per Anglican doctrine marriage is a sacrament and can only be performed once, you must stick to the wedding vows in the Book of Common Prayer, there must be witnesses, and there must be an opportunity for objections to be raised.

The religion set up by Henry VIII is ever so much more entertaining than the one L Ron Hubbard came up with :)

The Crack Emcee said...

Scott M said...

"How many years have black voters been overwhelmingly voting for the same party with, apparently, no improvement in their overall lot in life?"

Labron James' salary says that's not true.

Jerry said...

Edward and Wallis 2.0.

A man can definitely be led by his... um... yeah. Don't see the appeal myself. (Wallis was not much to look at either...) But... he's getting some fame, undoubtedly had a family stipend, and in a decade or two he may just decide that getting the chrome sucked off a trailer hitch doesn't make for a good long-term relationship.

But at this point he's made his choice. Hope he's happy with what he discarded to pursue it.

Jim at said...

I woke up this morning and this was the 'news' blasted all over everything.

I didn't even know it was on.

Ignorance on some subjects truly is bliss.

The Crack Emcee said...

Susan Rice burns sage in her West Wing office to 'purge negative energy' in space last occupied by Stephen Miller

Nope - nothing NewAge going on here - this is normal behavior for a politician in "the party of Science" [rolls eyes].

It's truly hard to believe people are this dumb sometimes. Y'all have basically allowed (because I've been consistent in warning you) the issues surrounding my divorce to encompass the entire nation - and they WILL take us down as surely as they did my marriage - if y'all don't grow a couple and decide assholes who excel in lying and hypocrisy are "bad people" and stop them.

Scott M said...

Labron James' salary says that's not true.

Ah, so we can judge an entire group of people based on a single man. And here I was thinking that was wrong all this time. Gotcha.

Tomcc said...

My daughter told me about this interview two days ago. She called it the "Superbowl for women". I have no interest in the royal family, but I do suspect that it's not a very good life. It seems like endless duties and obligations and very little personal privacy.
And, Howard, I understand that Noam Chomsky wants to be you when he grows up.

CJ said...

Susan Rice burns sage in her West Wing office to 'purge negative energy' in space last occupied by Stephen Miller

Thanks for the post Crack. I would not have known about that otherwise. I'm coming to believe that the Democrats/Permanent State is crazies all the way down.

Michael K said...


Blogger Birches said...

I'm sure the question about skin color was probably genuine curiosity.

My kids are mixed Latino. I have friends who have one forth Latino grandchildren. We've speculated endlessly about how dark they'd be. Is that something only the darker skinned people are allowed to do?


When I was an intern we did a routine hysterectomy on a Latino woman. About 3 hours postop, her blood pressure collapsed and she became unconscious. The GYN resident did something brilliant. He ordered an injection of Solucortef, a steroid. In 5 minutes or less she woke up and her blood pressure recovered.

She was an example of an Addisonian crisis caused adrenal gland insufficiency. Addison's disease is also characterized by darkening of the skin due to the role of ACTH. This woman was rather dark but no one thought anything about it. Later, she brought in photos of her taken by family over the previous five years and we could see how her skin darkened over that time and no one had noticed.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Leland said...

Because Archie is so far removed from the highest line of succession, he wasn't to be granted the title of "his royal highness"

The protocol was changed by George V in 1917 so that the HRH title was only open to the children and grandchildren of the sitting monarch. Since Archie is HM's great-grandson he does not qualify until his grandfather ascends to the throne.

Andrew's daughters Beatrice and Eugenie are both HRH's, but their children will not qualify for the HRH title. Also, Harry's uncle Edward, Earl of Wessex and Countess Sophie chose not to give their children the HRH title. So any thing Meghan says about it being racism is bullshit because Archie was not due an HRH title by law.

Paul A. Mapes said...

When your a regular reader of the Times, you're at least an honorary member of the ruling class, if not an actual member. As such, you're naturally interested in the affairs of other members of your class and there are no higher members of that class that members of a royal family, especially the British royal family.

Earnest Prole said...

One of the reasons I read the Daily Mail online is to have at least passing familiarity with the thoughts of my fellow citizens no matter how dopey. Last night as I scrolled through I realized something like half their pieces were devoted to some couple Oprah just interviewed -- the husband is an English guy whose family is evidently the historic prototype for today’s social-media influencers, famous for being famous rather than for real-world accomplishment, and the wife is some American chick who emulated the famous-for-being-famous strategy and somehow ended up hooking up with him. Apparently they’re now complaining about something blah blah blah but I can’t muster the energy to sort it out and I sure as hell am not going to rely on the New York Times to explain things any better.

Leland said...

To sum up the interview; here I thought my first world problems were overwrought and came from a place of privilege. Thank you, Harry, Megan, and Oprah for showing us real unearned entitlement.

Iman said...

The Duke of Puerile.

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Josephbleau said...

"Markle and Harry want all the perks, none of the obligations."

They only want to be commoners if they think everyone wants them to be royals.

Achilles said...

Weird that they gave that such prominence.

It isn't weird. It is stupid content for stupid people.

They are trying to make as may people stupid and infantile as possible.

There is nothing more destructive to society than holding useless people like Harry and Megan up as examples.

They are actively shirking any possible responsibility and are completely bereft of meaning in their life.

And anyone that is led to take a similar stance to accountability and responsibility by holding these people up as role models is a loss to society and a tragedy.

Clyde said...

Poor Yoko. She could only have dreamed of such a fawning interview.

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Clyde said...

As for little Archie's skin tone, dark skin is a dominant trait. He wasn't going to be any darker than his darkest parent, and she's very light-skinned.

Michael K said...

And anyone that is led to take a similar stance to accountability and responsibility by holding these people up as role models is a loss to society and a tragedy.

It began with Diana. Her highest achievement before Charles was as a preschool nanny. She was pretty and an airhead. Her sons have followed the pattern

Two-eyed Jack said...

Next year I fully expect the NYT will assign several reporters to a minute-by-minute commentary on Season 5 of The Crown.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

heh

Openidname said...

"NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

"Meghan's claim that there was a private marriage ceremony at their house involving just them and the Archbishop of Canterbury, where they read their own vows is not flying . . . ."

And such a stupid thing to lie about. MM probably thought it showed how down-to -earth she is, how disdainful of ceremony, how independent!

But it's pretty much taking a dump on all of those who looked forward to and enjoyed the royal wedding. "Ha, ha, you thought it was meaningful and emotional and significant! You dopes." And previously, that crowd was pretty well-disposed toward her.

The Godfather said...

Personally, my interest in the British Royal Family is comparable to my interest in British "football" -- nil. But my wife is quite interested in the Royals (but not the soccer), so we watched the whole 2 hours of the Oprah interview of Meghan and Harry. A few observations:

It's pretty clear in reading the comments here who actually saw the interview, and who is commenting based on snippets from the internet or other such sources.

Regarding "Archie's skin tone": Although Oprah (who knows how to grab a headline) treated this as a shocking!!! scandal, if you paid attention you learned that Meghan was repeating something that Harry told her that someone had said to him, and Harry said that the remark was not about "Archie", but about "the children". So, someone said to a friend or relative who had, or was about to, enter into a marriage with a mixed-race mate, Are you prepared for the reaction if your children look, or are perceived as, Black? Nowadays, in this enlightened country, of course none of us would even THINK of such a question.

What I liked in the interview is that Harry repeatedly referred to Meghan as "my wife". That's kind of old fashioned, and to me that's good, particularly if you're a royal.

Michael said...

And so to escape the racist Monarchy they hie themselves to the most racist country on the planet, a country filled to bursting with white supremicists lording it over black people night and day. They took their little boy to such a place. On. Purpose. Jeez.

readering said...

Apparently a lot of Brits who could not wait a day for the UK broadcast illegally streamed the U.S. broadcast complete with ads. What horrified them? All the prescription drug ads (illegal in most countries).

The Crack Emcee said...

Scott M said...

"Ah, so we can judge an entire group of people based on a single man. And here I was thinking that was wrong all this time. Gotcha."

Putting you own parameters around what I say doesn't change what I say.

The Crack Emcee said...

CJ said...
Susan Rice burns sage in her West Wing office to 'purge negative energy' in space last occupied by Stephen Miller

Thanks for the post Crack. I would not have known about that otherwise. I'm coming to believe that the Democrats/Permanent State is crazies all the way down.

Lady Gaga does the same thing with her dressing rooms and - again - no one's doing in-depth documentaries on the NewAge Movement, or anything significantly related to it, as it snakes around our corridors of power, like Death in the old "10 Commandments" movie with Charlton Heston.

The Crack Emcee said...

readering said...
Apparently a lot of Brits who could not wait a day for the UK broadcast illegally streamed the U.S. broadcast complete with ads. What horrified them? All the prescription drug ads (illegal in most countries).

Last night, I watched a documentary on the Library of Alexandria. It was interrupted by commercials for shaving my balls, concern about excessive belly fat, and getting rid of the bags under my eyes.

Boy, those Google algorithms really have me nailed.