Said Senator Ron Johnson on the radio yesterday, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.
February 16, 2021
"This didn’t seem like an armed insurrection to me. I mean 'armed,' when you hear 'armed,' don’t you think of firearms?"
"Here’s the questions I would have liked to ask. How many firearms were confiscated? How many shots were fired? I’m only aware of one and I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot. It was a tragedy, OK? But I think there was only one."
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Or not. Depends on whether the censors find the truth useful to their goals.
Sen. Johnson is right and then wrong. Very wrong.
By any objective measure, that unnamed person NEVER should have shot and killed Ashli Babbit.
Democrats have been getting high on their own supply.
Thank you, Senator Johnson. I to have been wondering about the "Armed Insurrection" coinage. I heard one house manager say, "They were armed....some even with baseball bats". so it made me believe the baseball bat was the worst weapon in the fray.
It's not armed, it's not an insurrection, it's not anything.
The US military vs a viking horn hat and ten zip-ties.
Ron Johnson says what I've been wondering.
What I saw happen on January 6 was a riot, though small scale and quite mild compared to many of those from last summer. There are two ideas I can think of off the top of my head that explain all the hyperventilating and calling it an insurrection:
1. Doing so gives Trump's opponents ammunition to go after him politically, i.e.; impeach him.
2. It is viewed as an insurrection by people that consider the Capitol and our Federal Government holy ground that must never be defiled by protest or attacked in any way.
He says the shooting and killing of Ashli Babbitt was justified, I'd like to follow up and ask him to explain, in detail, why.
If it was cricket bats, it might be 1812 all over again.
Never an insurrection. More like the Winter of Love.
I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot
Would he defend the officer if the officer were White and the victim were Black?
The only "arms" used there was the one who killed the UNARMED Ashli Babbitt. There wasn't any report of anybody who was invited in to the Capitol by the police with any weapons...
I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot
Who can he defend something nobody knows anything about? They won't even release the person's name. Rumor is that it wasn't a LEO, but rather "security" for a Senator.
why did anyone kill un-armed Ashlee? No answers from the non-curious hack press.
A novel... liberal apology for self-defense, but it follows progressive principles at the Twilight Fringe.
That this was an insurrection, a coup attempt is The Narrative. Don't go against the produced Narrative, despite what your eyes tell you, what your brain understands. Again, compare the results of the Narrative for both the summer riots and the Capitol riot. Compare damage, compare number of businesses destroyed, blocks of cities decimated, numbers of people murdered or injured, bombs tossed, fires started, etc.
The Capitol assault was a mob led by a handful of most likely hired provocateurs, a 'hey....let's bust into this place' plan. Then once they got in, no one had any plan. They wandered around in circles, some took souvenirs to show they were there. The summer riots were carefully laid out, planned, armed, financed, and encouraged by those who just got done attacking President Trump for over four years.
Nancy wants a 9/11 style commission for the Capitol attack? Have at it. I hope they get to actually ask questions about who funded the Antifa people at the front of the pack. I hope they get to publicly announce how officer Sicknick died, or who killed Ashli Babbitt.
The Democratic Party had already burned the Capitol down in all but physical reality, by defrauding America of an honest election. The enormous amount of fraud cheated our republic of its biggest moment, a presidential election. I was surprised by how mild the crowd's reaction was.
okay, if it WASN'T an Armed Insurrection; WHY is it, that the Insurrectionist's ARMY is STILL in the Streets of Washington
Armed Insurrectionists Stole our Election
Armed Insurrectionists occupied the capitol, with an ARMY; and wrapped our capitol in barbed wire
Sounds like an Armed Insurrection to me!
By any objective measure, that unnamed person NEVER should have shot and killed Ashli Babbit.
She was deemed nonviable, a "burden", and so she was Planned, her elective abortion was socially justified. An act of capital punishment prosecuted with an exotic judgment, emotionally appealing labels, and spread with em-pathetic braying by JournoLists, social contagion sites, and reinforced with steering engines.
OK, Mr. Johnson, let's hear that defense of that law enforcement officer.
WHY is it, that the Insurrectionist's ARMY is STILL in the Streets of Washington
Post Weimar progress to a leftist utopia.
"I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot"
What does he know that we don't know? If anything.
Johnson playing both sides. One foot on the boat, one foot on the dock, you're going to get wet.
"Armed insurrection" was the legal standard that had to met to oust Trump. Now that that phase is over, we can get to what really happened. But I'm not willing to sweep Ashlii Babbit's death under the rug because it too is an important legal standard. Allowing a faceless automaton to shoot and kill an unarmed citizen cannot stand. That truth must come out.
"He (Johnson) says the shooting and killing of Ashli Babbitt was justified, I'd like to follow up and ask him to explain, in detail, why."
I strongly agree.
I've read the Daily Mail piece, and one other that may be essentially the same, that purport to be the shooter's account of the incident. To me, it suggests manslaughter, panic at best.
They're coming for the guns and need a moral-sounding excuse...
"This didn’t seem like an armed insurrection to me.”
Because it wasn’t.
I’m only aware of one and I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot. It was a tragedy, OK? But I think there was only one."
It's similar to the perfunctory "I don't like some of Trump's Tweets."
It's intended to create defensive repose from one's own cancellation.
Why didn't the panicked LEO shoot Ashlii in the leg like Joe Biden has suggested? Why take a reckless shot with people standing behind her? If this guy panicked, why is he still running around with a gun? So many legal, ethical, and moral standards in play.
Wow -- From the former head of the Senate Homeland Security Committee. Come on Wisconsin, you can do much better.
I'm ok with Johnson supporting the Capitol Police even in the shooting of Babbit. I've seen the video and it is really chilling, too see the hand of the person just off camera, with gun raised and pointing at the crowd, then shooting while they are still on the other side.
But, when you depend on the Capitol Police to protect you, you are going to support them.
But let's compare Babbit to Michael Brown or Jacob Blake. Or the guy who was shot in the Wendy's drive through after fighting with police.
These men have become folk heroes and Democratic causes. Their deaths resulted in riots and burned down cities, and politicians rushed to meet their families. The NFL put their names on helmets, and criticizing them and their actions was unacceptable. The officers were hounded and defamed.
So tell me why Ashlii Babbit is just some by product of her own bad choice, and the men are Democrat heroes. And then don't say another thing about it, because Democrats are people who enjoy watching cities burn and lives threatened when it isn't their own body in the path of the mob.
"This didn’t seem like an armed insurrection to me. I mean 'armed,' when you hear 'armed,' don’t you think of firearms?"
Eventually armed will be taken literally.
The second amendment, we'll be told, doesn't mean the government can't amputate your actual arms.
it's a 'mostly peaceful protest', david bailey seems to be the shooter,
Johnson is right. The Water Buffalo Shaman is proof enough. Scott Adams correctly points out that the US should be EMBARRASSED to call Jan 6th, and armed insurrection. You really gonna take a super power down with a squirt gun??
This is all manufactured outrage. The 6th was manufactured. Johnson knows it and is being stonewalled asking good questions. I'm sure the reason the Dems folded on witnesses so quickly was the damage that could be done calling Pelosi and DC Mayor Bowser.
Of course Madison and Milwaukee will lie, cheat, and steal to get rid of Johnson in 2022. They will rig the state again.
And Althouse will pretend not to see it happening.
So tell me why Ashlii Babbit is just some by product of her own bad choice, and the men are Democrat heroes.
That's a great question that's getting ignored by people who should care.
Don't just say you'll defend it.
Defend it.
This is why republicans lose, and I'm here for it.
Swallow the commie narrative whole, then put up a half-hearted skirmish on the battlefield they prepared.
They do not need convincing through reasoned debate to "win them over". That ship has sailed.
The need to be scorned, ridiculed, and despised, giving no quarter.
the real story,
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/02/president-trump-was-acquitted-impeachment-was-daniel-greenfield/
And Althouse will pretend not to see it happening
I don't think she sees it happening.
I missed the quotation marks, and wrongly attributed the quote to our host. My bad.
I’m only aware of one and I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot
Why? Shooting and killing an unarmed person that was not threatening a persons life? I thought the law required proportional response. Firearm training teaches you that you should not shoot at a person coming through your door or window? Best to warn them to retreat. Also if shoot to kill is good policy, every other law enforcement person in the Capital is derelict in their duty to protect. What about the riots across the nation? Shoot to kill is recommended now? DC rules of engagement FORBID tear gas and pepper spray, but shoot to kill the unarmed is acceptable?
Then we have the St Louis couple that was criminally charged with standing on their private property holding firearms. Not shooting anybody.
We need consistency.
If it was meant to be an insurrection, when the shooter shot Babbitt, people would have shot back. That they didn't is the biggest indication to me that they just got carried away. It's not surprise that people who watched buildings getting broken into all last year were easily moved into breaking into this one. Especially if they view it as our building, not some holy edifice that can't be defiled by their presence.
I did a Google image search to look for (Capitol) protesters with bats. There was one guy breaking a window with one, another who had a flag attached to a bat (making it very awkward to use as a weapon) and at least one other person with what looked like a broomstick. Maybe there are more. I stopped looking when there wasn't the catalog of image after image that I was expecting.
On a side note, the weirdest thing for me was seeing the DeMarini bat. I'm from Louisville and don't care about sports. In my mind, all bats are Louisville Sluggers.
The Milwaukee Journal is trash. Even on a liberal trash scale it's trash.
Kevin said...The second amendment, we'll be told, doesn't mean the government can't amputate your actual arms.
It was justified
The Capitol riot was the inevitable response to dishonesty, incompetence and corruption of our leadership and their media enablers.
"But, when you depend on the Capitol Police to protect you, you are going to support them."
Granted MayBee. Pragmatic to a fault on Johnson's part. So this also behooves him to fight for the highest standards in recruiting and training the force. The only other shooting I know of involving the Cap police was killing, in a hail of gunfire, the confused woman who got lost and somehow found herself on the wrong side of some barrier at the base of Capitol hill. Neither shooting looks good.
Blogger rehajm said...
I don't think she sees it happening.
No. She sees it. You can accuse me of "mind-reading", but Althouse isn't stupid. The realpolitik of blog preservation and survival in Madison require denial of the election fraud reality perpetuated in her beloved #1 place to retire.
She knows the ballot harvesting in the Madison parks was illegal, along with the City Clerk erasing the ballot chain of custody. So was not purging the voter rolls, or letting poll watchers actually watch the count.
Survival and relevance are strong motivators.
The shooting of Ashli Babbit may have been unnecessary, it may have been a tragedy, the officer may need to be sitting at a desk without his weapon while this is sorted out. But there is no legitimate purpose in ignoring the circumstances under which it happened. Ashli herself couldn't have been too surprised considering what she was doing at the moment she was shot.
Blogger Mary Beth said...
If it was meant to be an insurrection, when the shooter shot Babbitt, people would have shot back.
Exactly. But unfortunately frothing liberals don't want to see that. Now we will get a "9/11" type commission to keep it alive.
And then comes the Truth and Reconciliation Commissions and our new Reality Czar. That's when the real fun begins.
tim maguire said...
The shooting of Ashli Babbit may have been unnecessary, it may have been a tragedy, the officer may need to be sitting at a desk without his weapon while this is sorted out. But there is no legitimate purpose in ignoring the circumstances under which it happened. Ashli herself couldn't have been too surprised considering what she was doing at the moment she was shot.
BULLSHIT.
She was ambushed.
some speculation here, along with first person account,
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-5-the-chaos-january-6-20/
narciso said...
the real story,
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/02/president-trump-was-acquitted-impeachment-was-daniel-greenfield/
2/16/21, 7:49 AM
I had just finished reading it, and then I come here and see your comment.
THIS!!!
"There was no insurrection. Nor was there a coup. Once inside, there was nothing more than vandalism. A group of protesters had made a strategic move to breach the Capitol, but once inside no efforts were made to secure the premises, to set up a defensive perimeter, let alone any of the fantastic claims that hostages would be taken or executions would be carried out."
Blogger Bobb said...
I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot
Who can he defend something nobody knows anything about? They won't even release the person's name. Rumor is that it wasn't a LEO, but rather "security" for a Senator.
Good point. An officer might not have taken that shot. But a smarmy Senator's security trying to "save the day". That seems more plausible. Also good reason for the cover.
Massive disparity of force allowed betweeneen the Summer of Love\BLM\Antifa riots and the Insurrection weren't there Professor?.Just who was waging I sure took accompanied by sedition on whom.Ashli Babbitt was a sacrifice and a martyr.
Reports citing prosecution documents reveal that "Zip-tie Guy", and his mom, left their weapons outside the Capitol in their backpacks. Neo neocon had a post about it. Also, that "Zip-tie Guy" picked up the infamous zip ties from a table in the Capitol. They know all this because he recorded it on his iPhone.
Ashli Babbitt was intentional killed by police without justifiable self defense just like BLM tells us police do all the time, but she had the wrong skin color. The officer stepped forward to close the distance for a head shot (intentional kill), but ended up hitting her in the neck. He didn't even shoot for center of mass. There was no imminence to any "threat" and other officers in tactical gear were on her body within seconds forcing those rendering first aid away.
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the fortified corrupt 1% left made this jackass crook our leader.
Is entering the capitol building a crime?
Is opening the doors to let "protestors" in, a crime?
If the capitol building is so sacred - why were people waltzing in with such care-free ease?
Maybe someone can clear this up for me. Yesterday one of you said that 99% of the troublemakers on Jan 6 were really antifa in disguise. So the odds that Babbitt was a Trump supporter is one in a hundred. So why do you all care about her so much?
I didn't even see any halberds, pikes or crossbows. No trebuchets. Pretty disappointing for an 'armed insurrection'.
Browndog said...BULLSHIT.
She was ambushed.
Bullshit. She was with a crowd trying to smash their way through a door. (There's video disproving your claim, so...you know...). Only a truly stupid person wouldn't realize that the vastly outnumbered people on the other side of that door were afraid of what was happening and what might be about to happen.
If you have to lie to defend her, perhaps you should rethink the defense?
(There's video disproving your claim, so...you know...)
More bullshit.
There is video absolutely proving my claim. I could go find it, then dispute everything single thing you just wrote, but since you called me a liar, you don't deserve my time, so fuck you.
Please. Watch the video. Two armed uniformed police are standing in front of the doors, the crowd asks them to step aside because they don't want them to get hurt. The armed uniform officers comply - after they step aside the crowd breaks a window and the plainclothes cop shoots them. How is that justified.
The police officer was black and the victim was white. I would like to believe the officer shot because he feared for his life. However, there are internet rumors that his social media was filled with virulent anti-trump stuff.I am disgusted that his name has not been released. All us other police officers are always subjected to having our names publicized.If Trump was President and a white DC cop shot a black blm protester in the same circumstances - media would have front paged his named that day.
Ditto gilbar @ 7:17 AM.
Browndog -
There is only one video to my knowledge, which shows it exactly as Tim Maguire described. Of course you won't link to "your video" because it doesn't exist.
let's do thought experiment!
We're all fired up about something,
and we all decide to go to some rich lady's house and knock on his door!
When we get to his house, we fill up his yard... YEA!!!
Then, his servants open up the door we were going to knock on
THEN! his servants walk back into the house, leaving the door OPEN
SOME of us follow them into the house, being careful to stay within the rope lines
The servants don't Do ANYTHING to us, as we walk through the house...
SOME of us decide to sit in chairs, a few of us start playing with pc's , etc
STILL the servants don't Do ANYTHING to us (besides telling us that "it's not our chair")
FINALLY! we come to the end of the hall, where the servants have piled up some furniture
The (ARMED!!!) servants that are standing RIGHT NEXT TO US, don't do ANYTHING,
as a few of us start trying to get past the pile of furniture
At LAST! ONE of us climbs up onto the pile, and starts to go through
AND ANOTHER SERVANT SHOOTS HER DEAD
Later, the rich lady says that it's GOOD that they KILLED one of us, because we were
Armed Insurrectionists
independent said...
Browndog -
There is only one video to my knowledge, which shows it exactly as Tim Maguire described. Of course you won't link to "your video" because it doesn't exist.
Why have you only seen one video? Oh, because that's all that exists! Because anything I don't know doesn't exist!
amiright, you solipsistic prick?
Ashli Babbitt was intentional killed by police without justifiable self defense just like BLM tells us police do all the time, but she had the wrong skin color.
You guys would have absolutely no problem (in fact you would praise) a private citizen who shot an unarmed person breaking into their house. In fact, you seem to have no problem with cops choking unarmed people to death.
So why the outrage now?
they said 5 people died.
We know Ashlee was unarmed when she was shot dead.
a police officer was NOT smashed in the head - but died later.
Who else died and why?
From the article by Daniel Greenfield that narcisco links to:
The Democrat impeachment case falsely claimed that President Trump “imperiled” Congress.
So Congress critters got a very small taste of what restauranteurs and small business owners and ordinary citizens in the wrong place at the worst time have had to deal with at the hands of BLM and Antifa over the summer of 2020. And even though said Congress critters were never physically in danger, certainly not anywhere near the level of physical danger that ordinary citizens have faced in Minneapolis or Madison or Austin or Kenosha, clearly the Congress critters didn’t much like it. But instead of developing some empathy for their constituents, the Congress critters decide that they’re “special” and go batshit crazy.
you seem to have no problem with cops choking unarmed people to death.
when did this happen?
Was the Officer under the protection of a "Stand your Ground Law?"
Freder - you asshole left don't care about black businesses burned to the ground because George Floyd was jacked up on too much fentynol.
Freder Frederson said...
Ashli Babbitt was intentional killed by police without justifiable self defense just like BLM tells us police do all the time, but she had the wrong skin color.
You guys would have absolutely no problem (in fact you would praise) a private citizen who shot an unarmed person breaking into their house. In fact, you seem to have no problem with cops choking unarmed people to death.
So why the outrage now?
When did anything like this happen?
Specifics please.
Or is this the same as the Brian Sicknick thing. Because democrats like you sure have a habit of attacking people with blood libels.
At some level I think Freder knows he is just a completely soulless human being.
Freder - no one was happy about officers pinning George to the ground like that. Seemed like too much. However, there is video showing George saying "he could not breathe" long before he was on the ground under those police officers.
serious question
if i'm eating dinner, and a mob surround me, with one of them getting in my face;
and Demanding 'raise your hand and say "BLACK LIVES MATTER!"
can i shoot them? I didn't think so, but maybe i'm behind the times?
tim maguire said...
Browndog said...BULLSHIT.
She was ambushed.
Bullshit. She was with a crowd trying to smash their way through a door. (There's video disproving your claim, so...you know...). Only a truly stupid person wouldn't realize that the vastly outnumbered people on the other side of that door were afraid of what was happening and what might be about to happen.
If you have to lie to defend her, perhaps you should rethink the defense?
This is untrue. There are all sorts of people farther down the hallway just walking around.
They just walk into a different hallway during the video.
@ Cacimbo said...
Please. Watch the video. Two armed uniformed police are standing in front of the doors, the crowd asks them to step aside because they don't want them to get hurt. The armed uniform officers comply - after they step aside the crowd breaks a window and the plainclothes cop shoots them. How is that justified.
The police officer was black and the victim was white. I would like to believe the officer shot because he feared for his life. However, there are internet rumors that his social media was filled with virulent anti-trump stuff.I am disgusted that his name has not been released. All us other police officers are always subjected to having our names publicized.If Trump was President and a white DC cop shot a black blm protester in the same circumstances - media would have front paged his named that day.
It is really bizarre that the left and the media (but I repeat myself) won't let us know about this supposed Anti-Trump officer who shot and killed an un-armed protestor.
Why? Shooting and killing an unarmed person that was not threatening a persons life? I thought the law required proportional response.
This is why we need a modern uniform Riot Act. here is a fine model, only we would obviously need to update references to his majesty, and death is an excessive penalty for riotous assembly.
That said, in relevant portion the act provides:
and that if the persons so unlawfully, riotously and tumultuously assembled, or any of them, shall happen to be killed, maimed or hurt, in the dispersing, seizing or apprehending, or endeavouring to disperse, seize or apprehend them, that then every such justice of the peace, sheriff, under-sheriff, mayor, bailiff, head-officer, high or petty constable, or other peace-officer, and all and singular persons, being aiding and assisting to them, or any of them, shall be free, discharged and indemnified, as well against the King's Majesty, his heirs and successors, as against all and every other person and persons, of, for, or concerning the killing, maiming, or hurting of any such person or persons so unlawfully, riotously and tumultuously assembled, that shall happen to be so killed, maimed or hurt, as aforesaid.
Which does not seem to me unreasonable, although I think the necessary precedent for such indemnification ought to be first a correct determination by law enforcement that protesters are engaged in riotous assembly, not a peaceable if noisy assembly (as protected by the first amendment), and second a clear warning and order to disperse to all present, in the well known formula:
Our sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God save the King.
Where is the evidence that the arm that held the gun that shot the unarmed Ashli Babbitt belonged to a “law enforcement officer”? He had cuff links, something neither DC cops or Capitol Police wear. Who is this shooter and how exactly can Johnson “defend” his actions? The shooting looks dangerous, stupid and indefensible on video. So go ahead and hold public hearings, Ron.
Browndog - I said that I have seen a video and to my knowledge no other video documenting the event exists. You apparently have seen some other video, but you won't share it. Why not? Don't to want to persuade others that you are correct and they are not?
When did anything like this happen?
This from someone who has repeatedly stated he wants to kill Democrats.
Give me a freaking break!
And many of you advocated shoot to kill orders for BLM protesters
Here is video of Ashli Babitt getting shot.
There is no world in which this shot is justified.
And there are antifa in this video.
Freder Frederson said...
When did anything like this happen?
This from someone who has repeatedly stated he wants to kill Democrats.
Give me a freaking break!
Citations please.
You are a soulless enemy of freedom repeating lies.
You can accuse me of "mind-reading", but Althouse isn't stupid.
@Gusty Winds, no she isn’t. That’s the tragedy. She has a first rate brain, when she wants to use it. But her years of life in the Madison lbubble has left her biased, and it makes her gullible.
Freder Frederson said...
And many of you advocated shoot to kill orders for BLM protesters
Citations please you lying sack of shit.
Cacimbo said...
Please. Watch the video. Two armed uniformed police are standing in front of the doors, the crowd asks them to step aside because they don't want them to get hurt. The armed uniform officers comply - after they step aside the crowd breaks a window and the plainclothes cop shoots them. How is that justified.
There was no world in which this shooting was justified.
Achilles said...
Here is video of Ashli Babitt getting shot.
There is no world in which this shot is justified.
And there are antifa in this video
***************
That shot is entirely justified. She's just down the hall from the members of Congress who have been ushered to safety behind a makeshift barricade...which she and her fellow rioters are smashing their way through, along with the locked glass door in front of it. That officer is sworn to protect the lives of the members of Congress and that is what he did. He has every conceivable reason to believe that a mob violently smashing its way through a barricade, heading right towards the congressional delegation, means to do violence to those members. It's so obvious it's insane to have to even debate this. If it was a BLM protestor doing the same in that video I'd say the same exact thing.
Re: Freder Frederson:
And many of you advocated shoot to kill orders for BLM protesters
I don't think I did, but if I did, hey, at least I am consistent. If there's a reasonable and effective way for law enforcement to suppress the mob without killing them, I am in favour of that option, but if not. Usually, if a riot is anticipated, there's nonlethal measures (e.g. gas, beanbags, etc.) that can be readied. If it is a surprise, then that may not be an option.
But I continue to think the best thing Biden could do to defuse the situation is to crack down hard on both the Capitol rioters and the Antifa/BLM rioters in Minneapolis, Kenosha, etc. Federal jurisdiction may be limited, but even if it's just the scumbags in Portland who were going Fort Sumter on the federal courthouse, that would be good. Some of them were indicted by the US Attorney there, but it's important that those charges not get dropped or watered down with the change in administration. Seek all enhancements, and don't let the news get buried. Pour encourager les autres.
Arturo Ui said...
You can't get through a single post without lying.
That shot is entirely justified. She's just down the hall from the members of Congress who have been ushered to safety behind a makeshift barricade...
There are exactly 0 people in imminent or even perceived danger. They were all cleared out well before the shot.
which she and her fellow rioters are smashing their way through, along with the locked glass door in front of it.
They just asked armed officers to move so nobody got hurt and after the congresspeople were gone they moved.
That officer is sworn to protect the lives of the members of Congress and that is what he did. He has every conceivable reason to believe that a mob violently smashing its way through a barricade, heading right towards the congressional delegation, means to do violence to those members.
The mob that just asked some officers to leave so nobody got hurt. The mob with no guns that was surrounded by heavily armed riot officers with automatic weapons.
It's so obvious it's insane to have to even debate this. If it was a BLM protestor doing the same in that video I'd say the same exact thing.
You are insane to debate it because I am going to take every word you say and show the world how stupid and wrong you are.
She was unarmed and in an awkward vulnerable position.
Why not shoot her in the leg (like Biden recommended during his campaign)?
Or why not wait until she finishes climbing out of the broken window and place her in handcuffs?
Watch the video. The security officer appears to have panicked and thus prematurely drew his weapon. I guess that is understandable to some extent. But having armed security officers who under pressure will panic is maybe something that can be evaluated at the time of hiring.
So then... Jacob Blake was unarmed after all?
(P.S. This is stupid, Senator.)
Re: Wzimmerman:
Why not shoot her in the leg (like Biden recommended during his campaign)?
I'm not familiar with all the ins and outa of the Babbitt shooting so I won't comment on that specifically. But Biden's oft-repeated suggestion that police officers should aim for the legs was not realistic. It works on TV, I guess, but aiming for center of mass is apparently much, much more certain than trying to hit a smaller, more mobile target like a leg.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/02/tucker-carlson-video-everything-media-told-you-frontpagemagcom/
Why can’t certain ppl ever see the truth?
While we're on the subject of the riot, was there ever any credible confirmation of the charge that protesters smeared feces in the Capitol? I see it repeated over and over, but (a) that seems totally at odds with the attitude of the protesters I've seen from inside the Capitol, and (b) smearing feces on stuff seems pretty unique to a particular sort of far left protester (usually on police stations or police cars). So it strikes me as facially implausible, but still possible. Have specifics of this allegation ever come out? E.g. location, etc?
“There are uncanny parallels between what has happened post-Jan. 6 in America and the CCP political campaigns of yesteryears. . . . The CCP elite uses political campaigns to consolidate power and “normalize” communist rule over China. In most political campaigns, the Party designates a segment of the population as the enemy (“counter-revolutionaries,” “capitalist roader,” etc.), then relies on propaganda organs to set the new political reality and acceptable discourse."
I’d call it a riot, not really an insurrection.
Balfegor said...
While we're on the subject of the riot, was there ever any credible confirmation of the charge that protesters smeared feces in the Capitol?
Balfegor, I wondered about that too. I can only assume that since we saw no photos of it during the impeachment that it didn't really happen.
D.D. Driver said...
So then... Jacob Blake was unarmed after all?
(P.S. This is stupid, Senator.)
Where in the video is Ashli reaching into her car?
Do you just try to make stupid non-sequitur arguments?
Do you think this is an intelligent rebuttal?
@tim maguire. You know how you can tell it's an unjustified shooting? Because there is stone silence regarding the investigation. They are hiding something. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.
"Fourteen people tied to the Jan. 6 attack are facing federal charges related to bringing or using dangerous weapons inside the building and two are facing firearms-related charges, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia."
Thanks for the clip Achilles.
The shooter was wearing a sportcoat and white shirt - some sort of uniform. He appeared to be an elderly Black man. He also appeared to be fiddling with his gun as if he were nervous or had never fired it before.
His actions were very clearly premeditated. He shot into the crowd and killed Ashli Babbitt who was not a threat to him. There were far more threatening people breaking down the door, but he did not aim at them. He seemed to shoot blindly.
If it were a White man shooting a Black woman in that way, that do you think would have happened?
Now that I am reading the Wiki on Jacob Blake I missed the part in the video where Ashlii put the officer in a headlock.
But other than that lets talk about how this is exactly like Jacob Blake situation!
There is a reason why you leftists wash out here after time D.D. Driver.
Some of you wake up and realize you have been lied to or you are stupid. Most of you cannot deal with your cognitive dissonance and flee back to the New York Times.
"Cleveland Grover Meredith, drove to Washington from Colorado with an assault-style Tavor X95 rifle with a telescopic sight, a Glock 9 mm with high-capacity magazines and more than 2,500 rounds of ammunition, including at least 320 rounds of armor-piercing bullets"
"In the trunk of Lonnie Coffman’s vehicle, police found an AR-15-style rifle, a shotgun, a crossbow, several machetes, smoke grenades and 11 Molotov cocktails"
"Christopher Alberts of Maryland, was stopped as he left the Capitol grounds after a police officer spotted a loaded handgun on his hip"
Ted Cruz almost killed AOC - even though they were not in the same building and he didn't even have a fire extinguisher. I heard it on AOC's twitter. She's allowed to bullshit at free will. Twitter won't ban AOC.
chickelit said...
It was justified
Great show.
Francisco D said...
He shot into the crowd and killed Ashli Babbitt who was not a threat to him.
From my experience in an armed unit fighting in armed confrontations this is the one that really alerts me.
His field of fire had people on "his side" in it.
He was firing in the direction of capitol police.
Based on this I personally don't think he was connected at all with the capitol police or any actual unit that was tasked with defending that building.
He may well have been someone's personal security operation outside of police authority.
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/02/16/why-did-the-lincoln-project-pay-a-jon-ossoff-staffer-20000-one-day-before-ga-runoff-n327031
"police recovered a dozen guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition from seven people who were arrested over their involvement in the Jan. 6 riot that left five people dead"
Ajnal said...
"Cleveland Grover Meredith, drove to Washington from Colorado with an assault-style Tavor X95 rifle with a telescopic sight...
Did they really call it a "Tavor X95?"
Those are two different things that denote the same thing.
Must sound scary to people.
The telescopic sight too.
"Rioters also used a stun gun to incapacitate at least one police officer, causing him to suffer a heart attack"
Ajnal said...
"police recovered a dozen guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition from seven people who were arrested over their involvement in the Jan. 6 riot that left five people dead"
I see they are still clinging to that 5 people thing.
How did Brian Sicknick die?
Nobody believes your propaganda anymore.
Now that I am reading the Wiki on Jacob Blake I missed the part in the video where Ashlii put the officer in a headlock.
But other than that lets talk about how this is exactly like Jacob Blake situation!
Derpy derpy. When did I mention Ashli Babbit.
I was referring to whether being "armed" means that you must have a "firearm."
independent said...
Maybe someone can clear this up for me. Yesterday one of you said that 99% of the troublemakers on Jan 6 were really antifa in disguise. So the odds that Babbitt was a Trump supporter is one in a hundred. So why do you all care about her so much?
2/16/21, 8:08 AM
So, now we are supposed to not care and ignore when Police kill an unarmed woman?? Where have you BEEN for the last 12 years???
My take.
1. If they broke through the doors they had unfettered access to congresspersons who were down the hall.
2. They had already broken the windows and but for some action from the police, they would have soon broken through and then you would have a large mob of very angry people moving down to hall. You could wait to shoot until then, but it would likely be too late because the breach would have already occurred. Further, if the cop waited till then the crowd likely would have attacked him.
3. By shooting when he did, the mob basically stopped in its tracks, eliminating the danger to everyone on the other side of the door including the police and the congress persons.
4. In other words, the shooting was inevitable; the only question was when. The officer made the right call. Further, he was pointing his gun for a long time before he fired. The mob saw this and did not stop. Further, this indicates that the cop did not act rashly. He waited until he thought the breach was imminent.
5. The protestors trying to break down the door could and should be charged with felony murder since a foreseeable death occurred during the commission of a felony.
Ajnal said...
"Rioters also used a stun gun to incapacitate at least one police officer, causing him to suffer a heart attack"
Ooh nice one.
Does the CCP have anything else they would like to pass on?
My take.
1. If they broke through the doors they had unfettered access to congresspersons who were down the hall.
2. They had already broken the windows and but for some action from the police, they would have soon broken through and then you would have a large mob of very angry people moving down to hall. You could wait to shoot until then, but it would likely be too late because the breach would have already occurred. Further, if the cop waited till then the crowd likely would have attacked him.
3. By shooting when he did, the mob basically stopped in its tracks, eliminating the danger to everyone on the other side of the door including the police and the congress persons.
4. In other words, the shooting was inevitable; the only question was when. The officer made the right call. Further, he was pointing his gun for a long time before he fired. The mob saw this and did not stop. Further, this indicates that the cop did not act rashly. He waited until he thought the breach was imminent.
5. The protestors trying to break down the door could and should be charged with felony murder since a foreseeable death occurred during the commission of a felony.
But I continue to think the best thing Biden could do to defuse the situation is to crack down hard on both the Capitol rioters and the Antifa/BLM rioters in Minneapolis, Kenosha, etc.
Funniest comment of the day. As if Biden has any interest in defusing the situation. On the contrary, he and his puppetmasters are doing their best to be inflammatory and divisive. That's the Democrat way, going back to Obama.
Freder Frederson said...
And many of you advocated shoot to kill orders for BLM protesters
2/16/21, 8:37 AM
Maybe when they were burning down cities and killing Police officers. We were advocating for law and order which CEASED to exist in those Progressive cities. Close your eyes. The media doesn't report it, so it didn't happen, right???
Achilles said... D.D. Driver said...
So then... Jacob Blake was unarmed after all?...
Where in the video is Ashli reaching into her car? Do you just try to make stupid non-sequitur arguments? Do you think this is an intelligent rebuttal?
Yeah. D.D. Driver and any college student at the University of Wisconsin would consider this an intelligent “rebuttal”.
Stupidity creates a lack of self-awareness, and the absence of self-awareness amplifies the stupidity. It’s vicious circle.
Re: The shooter of Ashli Babbit
Per internet reports, the shooter may have been one of the same Capitol Policeman involved in the shooting of the Republican baseball team.
Is it possible he is suffering from PTSD?
Given the overall budget reported for the Capitol police, I have been surprised at reports of lack of (or well outdated) equipment and complaints from their union about lack of training and support.
independent said...
My take.
By all means we are interested in your justifications.
1. If they broke through the doors they had unfettered access to congresspersons who were down the hall.
Lie. Armed officers left after the congresspeople got out.
2. They had already broken the windows and but for some action from the police, they would have soon broken through and then you would have a large mob of very angry people moving down to hall. You could wait to shoot until then, but it would likely be too late because the breach would have already occurred. Further, if the cop waited till then the crowd likely would have attacked him.
They didn't have to shoot before they asked armed officers to move. There was absolutely no reason to think they would have afterward.
3. By shooting when he did, the mob basically stopped in its tracks, eliminating the danger to everyone on the other side of the door including the police and the congress persons.
He killed an unarmed person. That is a good way to stop people if that is your goal.
4. In other words, the shooting was inevitable; the only question was when. The officer made the right call. Further, he was pointing his gun for a long time before he fired. The mob saw this and did not stop. Further, this indicates that the cop did not act rashly. He waited until he thought the breach was imminent.
This is a bald faced lie with pure evil intent. You are a piece of shit for even posting this. There was an entire platoon of heavily armed officers surrounding Ashli Babbit. There was no inevitable shooting. This is just justification for persecuting people you disagree with.
5. The protestors trying to break down the door could and should be charged with felony murder since a foreseeable death occurred during the commission of a felony.
More pure evil intent. You are just working yourself up to the point where you can justify charging and imprisoning all Trump supporters.
It is clear this was the goal all along.
Blogger Ajnal said...
"I'm gonna just gonna say some shit someone else is paying me minimum wage to post"
“You guys would have absolutely no problem (in fact you would praise) a private citizen who shot an unarmed person breaking into their house. In fact, you seem to have no problem with cops choking unarmed people to death.
So why the outrage now”?
That was HER house asshole. That was OUR house cunt lip. Not to
Mention she was INVITED in. Fuck you.
Independent said….He waited until he thought the breach was imminent.
Breach of what? An emptied room? How come the Water Buffalo Shaman was basically escorted to the front of the Senate floor for a photo op, and this poor woman was shot point blank. Give us a break.
But…when the Wash Post and the NYT basically some up her life as someone who embraced Q-Anon, people like Independent think she deserved to die for that reason alone.
They’re just disappointed it was only one.
ndependent said...
My take.
1. If they broke through the doors they had unfettered access to congresspersons who were down the hall.
2. They had already broken the windows and but for some action from the police, they would have soon broken through and then you would have a large mob of very angry people moving down to hall. You could wait to shoot until then, but it would likely be too late because the breach would have already occurred. Further, if the cop waited till then the crowd likely would have attacked him.
3. By shooting when he did, the mob basically stopped in its tracks, eliminating the danger to everyone on the other side of the door including the police and the congress persons.
4. In other words, the shooting was inevitable; the only question was when. The officer made the right call. Further, he was pointing his gun for a long time before he fired. The mob saw this and did not stop. Further, this indicates that the cop did not act rashly. He waited until he thought the breach was imminent.
5. The protestors trying to break down the door could and should be charged with felony murder since a foreseeable death occurred during the commission of a felony.
*************
Correct on all points.
Yeah. D.D. Driver and any college student at the University of Wisconsin would consider this an intelligent “rebuttal”.
LOL. Because I wasn't "rebutting" anything about Ashli Babbit, Gusto. I was discussing Ron Johnson's quote about what the definition of "armed" is. Ya' follow, or do I need to use smaller words?
The only ones armed were Pelosi's SS guards. Thus they push for so much gun control of the peasants. But only peasants that are not LOYAL to the Democrats...
Just what the Nazi party did in 1930s. Dems need to rush out and get their Nazi rings and pins now.
Donald said...That was HER house asshole. That was OUR house cunt lip. Not to mention she was INVITED in. Fuck you.
That was perfect Don. Especially the cunt lip part. If it's ok with you, I'm going to add it to my rotation.
“ The shooting of Ashli Babbit may have been unnecessary, it may have been a tragedy, the officer may need to be sitting at a desk without his weapon while this is sorted out. But there is no legitimate purpose in ignoring the circumstances under which it happened. Ashli herself couldn't have been too surprised considering what she was doing at the moment she was shot”.
Crazed leftists have been burning, destroying federal and private property for the last several years. They have been murdering innocent civilians. All with no repercussions. So, um, no.
Achilles said...
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LOL, "the mob smashing through the glass window and barricade was being totally friendly about it."
Honestly, the only way a person could write all of the insane defenses you've made of the Capital mob is if they didn't believe that the lives of Congressmembers were worth protecting. Which is clearly clearly the case with you.
Arturo Ui said...
Independent said…
Correct on all points.
Nobody is buying your propaganda.
Neither of you can deal with my responses.
We all know why.
"has every conceivable reason to believe that a mob violently smashing its way through a barricade, heading right towards the congressional delegation, means to do violence to those members"
Two armed UNIFORMED officers had just stepped out of the way - they made NO physical effort to stop the group. Why did this one officer feel such incredible fear that he shot.Normally you ask for backup first.He should have been able to see the uniformed officers - who were in no danger, merely standing there calmly. None of his fellow officers were even making strong attempts to block the protesters.Why did this one cop behave in such an extreme manner.
Again - I hope that he just shouldn't be a police officer and was overwhelmed with terror despite the fact none of his fellow officers even appear nervous.But the internet rumors that he was a Trump hater who had posted on social media that he wanted to hurt Trump supporters need to be addressed. Why has he not been named.
Arturo Ui said...
< Achilles said...
***************
LOL, "the mob smashing through the glass window and barricade was being totally friendly about it."
Honestly, the only way a person could write all of the insane defenses you've made of the Capital mob is if they didn't believe that the lives of Congressmembers were worth protecting. Which is clearly clearly the case with you.
There are several reasons why you used a paraphrase instead of my actual words. First three that come to mind...
1. You are dishonest.
2. You are stupid.
3. I destroyed every one of your arguments line by line.
Johnson’s comments are a sign the Overton window is moving on the “insurrection”.
D.D. Driver said….LOL. Because I wasn't "rebutting" anything about Ashli Babbit, Gusto. I was discussing Ron Johnson's quote about what the definition of "armed" is. Ya' follow, or do I need to use smaller words?
I know you thought you were addressing Ron Johnson. And I know you still believe it's intelligent.
Armed is not the crux. Armed INSURRECTION is the crux.
An inebriated guy wielding a knife against his baby mamma, trying to steal her car, and kidnap her kids is armed.
The Water Buffalo Shaman escorted into the Senate Chamber for a photo op is not an “armed insurrection”.
I’d ask if you get it, but you don’t. Next!!!
Achilles, please stop feeding the trolls.
D.D. Driver said...
Yeah. D.D. Driver and any college student at the University of Wisconsin would consider this an intelligent “rebuttal”.
LOL. Because I wasn't "rebutting" anything about Ashli Babbit, Gusto. I was discussing Ron Johnson's quote about what the definition of "armed" is. Ya' follow, or do I need to use smaller words?
Good context switch.
Because bringing up the rapist that physically assaulted an officer while being tazed then jumping into his car 8 months before the Senator made his remarks makes total sense in rebutting the senators remarks.
I am positive you weren't referring to all of the posts about Ashli.
I am also positive that even when referring to the Senators remarks your post was stupid.
mockturtle said...
Achilles, please stop feeding the trolls.
No.
They are spreading lies and propaganda.
You can go kneel if confronting them makes you uncomfortable.
But how does Ron Johnson explain away the fact that rioters where Hutuing the Tutsi congresscritters? How does he explain the bloodstained hallways of Congress and the stacks of corpses and assorted limbs? How does he explain the mass PTSD being suffered by all the survivors? It is almost like Ron Johnson wasn't there that day, unlike all the brave media people who were huddled together in small, hidden rooms and cubby holes like WWII Dutch teenagers fearing to see the horns of a child of Valhalla.
Armed has levels. I have armed myself with a nice pen. Better than nothing. The best for sketchy jobsites was a carpet straightedge like a cartoon Viking broadsword. Any tool is a weapon. Some of the guys armed themselves, no question. Not having firearms goes to the insurrectionists credit.
Achilles said...
There are several reasons why you used a paraphrase instead of my actual words. First three that come to mind...
1. You are dishonest.
2. You are stupid.
3. I destroyed every one of your arguments line by line.
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Sir, this is a Wendy's
mockturtle said...Achilles, please stop feeding the trolls.
I second Mock's statement. The trolls are just reading from their scripts.
Arturo Ui said...
Sir, this is a Wendy's
Coward.
You cannot defend your lies with argument or example.
Yancey Ward said...
But how does Ron Johnson explain away the fact that rioters where Hutuing the Tutsi congresscritters? How does he explain the bloodstained hallways of Congress and the stacks of corpses and assorted limbs? How does he explain the mass PTSD being suffered by all the survivors? It is almost like Ron Johnson wasn't there that day, unlike all the brave media people who were huddled together in small, hidden rooms and cubby holes like WWII Dutch teenagers fearing to see the horns of a child of Valhalla.
Why do you think they lied about how Brian Sicknick died?
Achilles said...
Coward.
You cannot defend your lies with argument or example.
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This is how you wrap up morning debates with your cat Mister Scritches, isn't it?
Feeding trolls is his Achilles heel.
Achilles next post:
"You lie! I demand you retract your slander of Mister Scritches at once!"
What makes the narrative so hilariously ridiculous is that we literally got to see one or more riots per night across the country that were worse than the D.C. riot all of last Summer, and the exact same people described all of those riots as mostly peaceful. If Ashli Babbitt had been shot by a pizzaria owner in Kenosha, doing the exact same thing she was doing in D.C., the shopowner would out on a 2 million dollar bail awaiting trial for 2nd degree murder at the very least, and possibly still in jail under protective custody six months later.
It really is like all those past riots, looting, arson, and murders went down the memory hole on January 6th.
And if it had been a black Ashli Babbitt shot in Kenosha during the riot, well, the shopowner would be dead right now.
Achilles next post:
"You aren't fit to trim Mister Scritches' toenails, much less sully his fine, furry name in this here forum. You Antifa scum!"
+The key to understanding whether the label is appropriate is comparing it to other circumstances as or more deserving but with different political impacts. The best comparison is to Seattle's CHOP Zone from last year. In that case the group was armed, actually declared their secession, and threatened local citizens using their usurped authority. Revealingly exactly zero of the people calling the Jan 6 riots an insurrection referred to the CHOP Zone similarly.
So we know the label is entirely driven by the left's political interests. Specifically they are overstating the threat to justify continuing the Obama policy of using the surveillance state against their political enemies. This is also why AOC continually asserts she was almost "murdered". Not only is this characterization absurd it is a stark contrast to her lack of concern over Hodgkinson's actual attempt to murder many Republicans.
Similarly note their emphasis of 5 deaths. The BLM/antifa protests resulted in 20-30 deaths but none of the people emphasizing deaths from Jan 6 ever mentions them. Left wingers only care about deaths which advance their political interests.
“To protect our security, our security, our security, our next step will be to establish an outside, independent 9/11-type Commission to ‘investigate and report on the facts and causes relating to the January 6, 2021 domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex… and relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power, including facts and causes relating to the preparedness and response of the United States Capitol Police and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement in the National Capitol Region,'”
Nancy Pelosi
Fascists got their reasons for lying about the "Armed Insurrection."
Gun Control and Truth and Reconciliation.
Nazi playbook circa 1933.
Also if shoot to kill is good policy, every other law enforcement person in the Capital is derelict in their duty to protect.
Correct. When someone is breaking in, gets confronted by an armed protector, and continues to force in, they can expect to get stopped.
The capitol police who allowed the intrusion were in fact derelict.
independent said...
Maybe someone can clear this up for me. Yesterday one of you said that 99% of the troublemakers on Jan 6 were really antifa in disguise. So the odds that Babbitt was a Trump supporter is one in a hundred. So why do you all care about her so much?
Because conservatives are not like you. We are not murderous thugs that desire to visit violence on those we have political differences.
We are NOT Obama, who hired thugs to use violence in attempts disrupt Trump campaign rallies.
Its always the leftist that turn to violence.
Jacob Blake has admitted he had a knife in his hand at the time he was fighting the police, he dropped the knife on the ground, and picked it back up.
It was not in his car. He had a knife on his person, it was open.
I certainly want the right to shoot someone breaking into my home or where I work, especially if they are part of a large angry group. Given that Babbitt's shooting was found justified that means we all have the right to use deadly force to protect our homes or workplaces, right?
You can go kneel if confronting them makes you uncomfortable.
You're not confronting them, Achilles. You're merely playing into their hands. The only reason they are here is to provoke a response.
And, for the record, I've never knelt to anyone except my husband on certain, ahem, occasions.
Seriously, has anyone here ever read about a REAL insurrection? No one, not even Congress, can honestly believe that what happened in DC on January 6 was an insurrection unless they are so colossally uninformed that they don't know the meaning of the word.
serious question
IF police MEANT to (have someone) shoot (the first person through the window,) Ashli Babbit
WHY didn't they Announce "ATTENTION WE WILL SHOOT ANYONE THAT GOES FURTHER!"
????
There were police Standing RIGHT NEXT to Ashli, that had "assault rifles"; If one of them had
a) Shouted "Next person through the door gets Shot", or
b) fired a round into the ceiling, or
c) just f*cking STOOD in front of the doors
does Anyone think that the 'armed insurrectionists' wouldn't have stopped?
they SURE stopped once a single shot was fired.
Seems Clear to me, that the people MOST surprised by the shooting, were the police
Ajnal said...
"In the trunk of Lonnie Coffman’s vehicle, police found an AR-15-style rifle, a shotgun, a crossbow, several machetes, smoke grenades and 11 Molotov cocktails"
People leaving their weapons in their cars doesn't sound much like an insurrection. But then left wingers aren't trying to understand what happened - only to justify their previous mischaracterization.
When the victim was shot, she is said to have been trying to climb through a window to enter the very same room the shooter was in and was protecting.
However, the footage shows something different. It shows the shooter in that room holding a gun with his arm extended straight out through an open widow and pointed in a straight line, parallel to the floor, with his target across from him. Thus the victim must have been across from the shooter when she was shot and was not trying to climb through a window to enter the same room where the shooter was located.
Shame on you Senator Johnson. You seem to have this desire to take an objective view of things. No way that you qualify to join the Pelosi-Schiff-Schumer team. You just don't understand their reality!
OTOH you just may be one of the few sensible critters in the Swamp.
MattJ said...
I certainly want the right to shoot someone breaking into my home or where I work, especially if they are part of a large angry group.
Interestingly these same people who support shooting Babbitt want to prosecute the St Louis couple who armed themselves but did not shoot anyone even after a large group broke into their property. It's amusing watching these people who criticize any use of force suddenly about face to support it simply because it was used against their enemies. This is the nature of the left or really anyone with no principles other than Defending the Shield.
Rick said...Interestingly these same people who support shooting Babbitt want to prosecute the St Louis couple who armed themselves but did not shoot anyone even after a large group broke into their property.
Interestingly, these same people who use phrases like "these same people who" never provide any evidence that it is, in fact, the same people.
Francisco D said...
mockturtle said...Achilles, please stop feeding the trolls.
I second Mock's statement. The trolls are just reading from their scripts.
Wrong. It is the other way around, Achilles is trolling them.
“Unfettered access”.
Just like that evil pure capitalism bitches like you whine about. You have no idea what those words mean. You’re just listing your talking points.
Wrong. It is the other way around, Achilles is trolling them.
With live bait, hook, line, and sinker, they can't help but impeach themselves.
Was the shooting of Ashli Babbitt justified? I do not know. If it has been found to be justified, where is the report? Why do I have to speculate? What was the cause of Officer Sicknick's death? I do not know. Why do I have to speculate and read media accounts which as far as I know are speculative? Where is the report? According to the Washington Post, democracy dies in darkness. Democracy did not die because of the events of Jan 6, it died in the darkness that has followed.
Go get ‘em @Achilles. I obeyed the “please ignore @Chuck” request from Althouse, because he openly said he turned in statements from this free speech comments section to try and get her cancelled. That’s dude is just sick.
I got off FB a little over a month ago. Screw them. But, I never censored a liberal that flew in to troll a post. I would try to keep them going and bat them around like a baby seal. The more I could keep them typing, the dumber they became. I figured let the world, or my little world, see their idiocy and dishonesty. I was amazing. The Affluent White Female Liberals (AWFLs) were the worst.
Then these old “friends and relatives” would then comment publicly, “are you ok, I’m worried about you”. Such bullshit. Like the liberals here, they don’t care about anyone.
Ajnal:
When quoting people as authorities, you need to do three things:
1. Put their words in quotation marks.
2. Identify exactly who said the words.
3. Give a specific reference (e.g. name, date, and page number of printed periodical) or a web-link, or both, so we can check for ourselves.
If you can't be bothered to do #2 or #3, we will rightly suspect that you just grabbed some words off the web that may or may not be totally made up, and passed them on without checking them. Or that you made them up yourself. A guy named "Cleveland Grover Meredith" may in fact exist, or someone may have taken a forgotten president's name and reversed it, to make a vaguely plausible pseudo-name.
I’m only aware of one and I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot
Because there is nothing more life threatening than an unarmed woman. Just how much shit can a person eat at one sitting?
What is interesting is other than Althouse, Meade, and MadisonMan, I don’t know if any other commenters are liberals from Madison, WI. You’d think some enthusiastic woke UW student would give it a go, or some member of the UW Faculty. I’d imagine there are a few reasons:
1) They are stupid and can’t quickly state or defend a position.
2) They have zero information outside of their liberal bubble to add and no opinion of
their own.
3) The NYTs, Wash Post, and CNN already said it for them.
4) They FEAR publicly stating an opinion even with a pseudonym and moniker.
5) The Althouse Blog is looked down upon in Madison.
6) They know they would get their ass handed to them by commenters like @Achilles.
7) They resent the free speech zone Althouse offers here.
I could go on, but the liberal trolls here like Chuck, Inga, Readering, Howard, and the other short term flavors of the day are as dumb as the The Black Knight in Monty Python’s Holy Grail.
"However, the footage shows something different. It shows the shooter in that room holding a gun with his arm extended straight out through an open widow and pointed in a straight line, parallel to the floor, with his target across from him. Thus the victim must have been across from the shooter when she was shot and was not trying to climb through a window to enter the same room where the shooter was located."
I've seen multiple videos your evaluation is wrong.
I still think there is a strong possibility that the shooter was under illegal shoot-to-kill order.
All but one, with arms, legs, and a head intact. With exception for several dozen who may and were not "Trump supporters", this wasn't a planned protest (PP). Not even a semblance of adventurism.
Thankfully, few lives were lost on Jan 06, because the artillery and air forces of the insurrectionists never received the "go" order. This was because they were as imaginary as all the rest of this BS.
I have to stand up for Howard- he ain't dumb, but, yes, Inga, readering, and Chuck are.
“I have to stand up for Howard- he ain't dumb, but, yes, Inga, readering, and Chuck are.”
Yancey Ward was the guy who said there would be 7,500 tops Covid deaths.
“What is interesting is other than Althouse, Meade, and MadisonMan, I don’t know if any other commenters are liberals from Madison, WI. You’d think some enthusiastic woke UW student would give it a go, or some member of the UW Faculty. I’d imagine there are a few reasons:”
Most liberals are not willing to waste a great deal of time arguing with cultists, it takes a great deal of stubborn stupidity to continue to believe the election was stolen. Madison Man is not a liberal. Meade doesn’t seem like a liberal at all, and Althouse seems to be a moderate.
“Then these old “friends and relatives” would then comment publicly, “are you ok, I’m worried about you”. Such bullshit. Like the liberals here, they don’t care about anyone.”
Maybe they’re planning an intervention for you with a cult deprogramming expert officiating.
When Althouse commenters start looking to Achilles to be a leader figure for them, the blog’s comments sections have gone down the rabbit hole very deeply.
independent said...
4. In other words, the shooting was inevitable; the only question was when. The officer made the right call. Further, he was pointing his gun for a long time before he fired. The mob saw this and did not stop. Further, this indicates that the cop did not act rashly. He waited until he thought the breach was imminent.
5. The protestors trying to break down the door could and should be charged with felony murder since a foreseeable death occurred during the commission of a felony.
2/16/21, 9:35 AM
Now do antifa when they repeatedly tried to burn down the police station with police officers in it.
As if this thread wasn't already chock full of leftist bullshit ....
"Most liberals are not willing to waste a great deal of time arguing with cultists..."
And yet here you are. You must waste a great deal of time monitoring the comments section of this blog to appear whenever your name is mentioned.
Althouse seems to be a moderate.
Althouse is a moderate only in the sense she doesn't hate everyone who disagrees with her. By her own assertion the only non-liberal position she holds is being unwilling to bankrupt the country. Ironically this was a non-ideological position until roughly the day before yesterday. What sets her apart from others who claim to be liberal is dealing with reality rather than inventing a fantasy world to justify her policy preferences as left wingers do.
Althouse is a liberal. Left wingers cannot accept this reality because they understand (1) she is different from them and (2) they want to present themselves as liberals to claim unearned credit for liberal accomplishments.
Yancey Ward was the guy who said there would be 7,500 tops Covid deaths.
Who exactly got the number right?
Who thinks the number being used is right? We can see how Dems like Cummo manipulate the numbers.
Yancey Ward was the guy who said there would be 7,500 tops Covid deaths.
Biden predicted 550,000 deaths by Jan 1, 2021. The EXPERTS he keeps yammering on about gave him the number to repeat.
What we have learned. Lockdowns are meaningless, but still happening. Schools can fully open, but Democrats refuse.
Follow the scie.....donors.
@Inga pulls out the #1 piece of Critical Race / Woke bullshit. "Arguing with you, or addressing your questions and concerns is beneath me."
Nobody takes the ball and goes home faster than a woke liberal. "Debating you isn't worth my time" is translated as "I don't have a thought in my head to back up anything beyond what Chuck Todd told me to believe" or, "Your points are making a crazy amount of sense to me, so I'm just gonna stay out of this before I embarrass myself further."
Just wait until the warm weather hits, and the conditions are worse than the summer of 2020. ANTIFA seems to be in full control of Portland. The youth have been locked out of school in our cities for almost a year. I'd imagine the drug use has increased greatly.
The burning and vandalism of Summer 2020 will be back.
Oh...and screw Joe Scarborough. Everyone's pizza stand has value. As much as the Capitol. That's the idea of equal protection under the law.
Scarborough is such a weak ass. He's a Donny Douchebag wanna be; even down to the no socks with stiff leather dress shoes. Trump put his show on the map in 2016, and Mika was more than happy to bat her eyes and The Donald to keep the ratings up.
Todd @ 3:08: Now do antifa when they repeatedly tried to burn down the police station with police officers in it.
You may have heard what antifa did in Seattle this weekend. At the police station they shoveled snow in front of the police car so it couldn't move. No mention of any arrests, even though it was all caught on camera. But, oh boy! It's those Trump supporters who need to be kept under control.
it takes a great deal of stubborn stupidity to continue to believe the *election was stolen*.
Insert *Russian Hoax* here. And besides, the election wasn't stolen. It was fortified. The irony. It burns.
Schmoe and Mika? The Power Couple of the 2ist Century? Dumb and Bitchier?
They used to have Mika's moo-moo clad hairstylist--an enormous black guy--in to discuss the issues of the day . . .
Narr
Simpler times, I suppose, or do they still?
Inga said...
Most liberals are not willing to waste a great deal of time arguing with cultists, it takes a great deal of stubborn stupidity to continue to believe the election was stolen. Madison Man is not a liberal. Meade doesn’t seem like a liberal at all, and Althouse seems to be a moderate.
There is inga showing off her 3ish standard deviation off the mean intelligence.
That was solid work Inga.
For extra credit would you mind giving us all your definition of a liberal? We would love to bask in your wise words.
When Althouse commenters start looking to Achilles to be a leader figure for them, the blog’s comments sections have gone down the rabbit hole very deeply.
The Resident Idiot sticks her head up her fat ass and thinks that she has read others' minds. Hilarious!
I will give her credit. She is not reading a troll script like many of our new commenters. She reads the spin from her favorite lefty sites and sincerely believes it. Mind you, she doesn't understand, but she sincerely believes.
Carry on.
I see folks are going at one another like McConnell and Trump.
Although Trump has better editors than here. He was persuaded to remove the bit about McConnell having too many chins but not enough smarts.
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