What is the significance of this historical record? That there's a tradition of accepting what you believe is abuse, of not speaking about it and rallying supporters? But after Trump won in 2016, there was vigorous speech about the illegitimacy of the election. Is it just that these other candidates "acquiesced to the peaceful transfer of power"? But Trump acquiesced. He left on schedule. He just talked belligerently and had lots of adherents who believed him.
What is the House Managers' point in recounting this history? This section of the memo (at page 44) just concludes that his belief that he won is "no defense at all for abuse of office." Fine, but even if his belief is not a defense against a charge of abuse, is his belief itself an abuse of office? Is his speech about his belief an abuse of office?
The question is whether he intended to incite the crowd to commit acts of violence. We care about his state of mind. What does his belief that he won have to do with any of that? The memo just moves on to the next issue. I suppose one might say that Trump's assertion that he's the rightful winner was an essential part of the motivation to attack the Capitol, but that doesn't mean that the assertion alone is a call to attack the Capitol.
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Maybe what’s wrong is and always has been acceptance of something you know to be wrong. But let’s keep peace in the family.
And how did Hillary handle her loss in 2016?
Just for laughs they should list *all* the Republican presidents who were elected and had no challenges lodged in the House, along with all the Democrat presidents who were elected and had no challenges lodged in the House so we can compare and contrast the history!
"Selected not Elected" was a familiar saying throughout the first 9 months of 2001. "Not my President" was pretty common over the last 4 years.
"What does his belief that he won have to do with any of that?"
It has to do with ensuring the two are intrinsically linked together for every Republican candidate forevermore. Believing you had the election stolen from you must be associated with criminal/censurable acts, but only for Republicans.
Oh, for fuck's sake, what did Trump do that Gore, Jackson, and Nixon didn't? The latter three certainly didn't stop claiming the election was stolen, and Jackson and Nixon continued to run for president afterwards. None of the three ever conceded they lost a fair election. Hell, even Kerry thinks he won Ohio in 2004. Trump pressed his claims until the last possible moment, doing nothing different from what Gore did.
So when is the House going to expel Schiff and others for lying about Trump colluding with Russia to steal the 2016 election?
What Dem politician is taking responsibility for the shooting of Steve Scalise?
It’s hard to take any of this seriously.
The Dems don’t like it that Trump plays their game well.
For the record -
There was a widespread and violent riot in the streets of the nation's capitol on Inauguration Day 2017, with many buildings smashed and vehicles set on fire, in protest of people who claimed that Trump was not legitimately president.
IMPEACH HILLARY!
It may be irrelevant to the impeachment, but it’s one reason why I can’t take the current election fraud charges seriously.
Several days after the election I sent out the following email to friends, some of whom still remain friends though it took work, asking if the current mess wasn't the fault of Richard Nixon for failing to contest the 1960 election.
"Those of you who are as old as I am may remember the 1960 presidential election. Highly credible allegations of voter fraud were made about Chicago, where democratic mayor Richard Daley ran a tight political machine, and in Texas where Kennedy’s running mate Senator Lyndon Johnson had extensive clout. Johnson had previously been credibly suspected of voter fraud in his initial election as Senator. Together Illinois and Texas gave Kennedy a solid majority in the Electoral College. He would have lost without those two states.
Nixon did not concede the night of the election when it became obvious he did not have the required votes, although he did announce 3 days later that he would not contest the election. My memory is that he said that he did not think the country should suffer from a contested election. I recall thinking at the time that this was both a generous and patriotic act.
Now I am not so certain.
What does seem clear is that, at the moment is that elections in the United States are not transparent, and millions of people – regardless of the outcome – will think that this election was stolen. Which is a shame, regardless of your party affiliation. And there is no reason a better system could not be devised, if the country had the will to do so. For those of you on the left who don’t think that the suspicions on the right are justified, then perhaps you are getting your news from too narrow a range of opinion. Should current results be overturned by the courts, well, it is obvious what the complaints of the left will be, and they will be somewhat understandable. Regardless of what the true legitimate vote was (and I don’t claim to know), this didn’t have to happen and the country needs a better way. Perhaps it is Richard Nixon’s fault. Perhaps if he had contested that election, we would have long ago moved to a system where trust in election outcomes would be higher.
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Nixon WAS cheated. IL and TX. Daley machine and Laredo ballot stuffing. And that's a fact.
He took it a lot better than he's given credit for.
What is the House Managers' point in recounting this history?
Gaslighting. They're trying to retcon a cherished American tradition that never existed and posit that Trump violated it.
Wild Chicken,
There is a word for someone who accepts being cheated without complaint- we call them chumps.
Funny, isn't it, that they didn't mention Hillary in their "history" lesson.
Surely this was just "an honest bureaucratic snafu".
During the years following the 2016 election, a cabal tried to remove President Trump from his elected office. The cabal included top officials of Department of Justice and FBI and included the Democratic Party's leadership.
Trump was accused falsely of colluding with Russian Intelligence to win the 2016 election. Based on that false accusation, a Special Counsel was appointed.
That Special Counsel, Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller, staffed his team with Trump-hating lawyers and Trump-hating FBI officials.
Mueller and his team then tried for years to entrap Trump relatives, associates and supporters in process crimes that could be used to pressure them to snitch or to compose accusations against President Trump.
Furthermore, Mueller and his team tried for years to lure President Trump into an obstruction-of-justice situation that would enable the Democratic Party's leadership to impeach and remove Trump from his elected position.
So it is just Kabuki then. I figured.
What we really care about is why spy-fucker Swalwell is on the House team, and still on the Intelligence Committee (yes, an oxymoron)...
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on
Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United
States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no
Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two
thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend
further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to
hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under
the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless
be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and
Punishment, according to Law.
Herein lies three problems. First, Trump is not the president. Second he cannot be removed from office and therefore not prevented from holding subsequent office since these two are joined by the comma and word "and" meaning they are each part of the same penalty. Three: The chief justice is not presiding; an absolute requirement for an impeachment trial as denoted by the word "shall".
The language clearly means that many members of congress are themselves in violation of their oaths of office. Not one of the 70 or so individuals who stormed into the Kavanaugh hearing are in jail, despite disrupting official government business. How can anyone take this as anything other than abuse of power?
"What is the significance of this historical record?"
None. But then, nothing in the memo has any significance, other than that they felt they had to say more than "He's bad. We want him impeached."
"What is the House Managers' point in recounting this history?"
It's just another way of saying "He's bad. Very bad. We want him impeached." History, like anything else, is just a prog tool.
"The question is whether he intended to incite the crowd to commit acts of violence."
The question is why would the nice women of America want to debate the merits of this pernicious stunt? Their good faith, taking the prog bait, just encourages more prog bad faith.
"We care about his state of mind."
Who dat we?
Woke up this morning and Hillary will still never be President. For that I am thankful. But she was the epitome of the "gracious" loser. She was all in on the last 4 years of BS.
pacwest at 11.40am states my take on it perfectly.
Nixon was almost certainly right, that Texas was stolen by Landslide Lyndon and Illinois by Mayor Daley. Plus CBS is said to have fiddled the framing and focus of the camera-work at the Debate to the great advantage of JFK. What the current impeachment proceeding shows is that there is no limit to the sense of entitlement and the sheer vindictiveness of Nancy Pelosi and her merry men.
That last paragraph by Ann nails it.
Why should cheaters be rewarded? Is it the case if the crime is that big, one just has to lay down and accept the defeat?
I would think all the calls for protests over the summer to protest the federal government, including the efforts to provide space to destroy, was a more obvious attempt at insurrection than Trump's claim that he won if not for a rigged election.
I read the Brief by the House Managers as mostly, these are things different when Trump does them, because nearly all of it I can find an example of a Democrat doing far worse in the past year.
hungarian phrasebook time, see that python episode,
He just talked belligerently and had lots of adherents who believed him.
People who think that the election was stolen (or at least rigged) do not do so because they "believe" Trump.
They think so no matter what Trump does or does not say about it. Their opinions do not depend on Trump.
People know that Republican poll-watchers were prevented from doing their jobs effectively. Why were they prevented? Explain that. This particular issue has nothing to do with what Trump did or did not say.
Some mail-in ballots were supposed to be segregated in Pennsylvania. Why were thy not segregated? Explain that. This particular issue has nothing to do with what Trump did or did not say.
In Atlanta, poll-watchers were told to go home, but then ballots were counted for two hours in the middle of the night, supposedly because an imaginary water-leak caused a tw0-hour delay in ballot-counting. Explain that. This particular issue has nothing to do with what Trump did or did not say.
People think that the election was stolen (or at least rigged) because they watch events and they think for themselves.
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My most recent article about the water-leak incident in Atlanta:
Will Brad Raffensperger ever explain the water incident?
Another Leftist lie.
After the 2000 election, the Miami Herald did exactly what the Leftists claimed they wanted: they counted ALL of the ballots.
Bush still came out ahead.
But let's be clear. That's not what the Left wanted. They wanted to recount until Gore was ahead and then ... STOP the counting. Puhleeze.
Fun scenario: Trump walks onto the chamber, picks up the articles, tears them in half ala Pelosi, and leaves.
In the future if a Democrat says the sun rises in the east I will know the magnetic poles have shifted.
the dems in that instance, allowed many who were inelligible, to vote, and disqualified many like military ballots that were, but the press weren't as totally in the tank then, and the digital tail, had not been implemented,
Funny how they leave Hillary’s Russian collusion and “our democracy was hacked” out of the faux Impeachment.
One of the big differences was the political distance between Nixon and Kennedy wasn’t that wide. Both were anti-communist.
But in 2020 we witnessed a coordinated effort between modern day communists and totalitarians to get the outsider [Trump] out of office no matter the cost. They started by shutting down the economy via COVID in Blues States. They uses COVID to increase fraud-ripe mail in voting. Our courts (Wisconsin) even refused to clean up voter rolls do dead people could vote.
State Legislature voting laws were ignored our outright broken in places like Madison, WI where ballot harvesting and the destruction of ballot chain of custody was done right out in the open.
This was a 4 to 5 million vote flip. It involved the Democrats, the GOP establishment, our Courts, Media lies and propaganda, Big Tech censorship, and foreign influence on our voting machines and software. It was MASSIVE, and everyone knows it.
But any were too afraid at the time to speak up for fear of vilification and cancellation. Like Althouse, they wished it would just magically go away.
But it didn’t and now we are pretty much fucked.
Of course we know the election was stolen. The antics by the Democrats are examples of the consciousness of guilt. "The guilty flee when no man pursuith." The faked riot in the Capitol was another operation to discredit Trump's supporters. Now some woman who owns a beauty salon in Beverly Hills is being threatened with 20 years in prison for being part of the crowd in the Capitol There is no evidence she hurt anyone. The Capitol policeman that the lefty trolls are saying was killed in the riot died from some other cause, possibly a medical condition.
All this, including the impeachment farce, is theater. Read "Games People Play" some time.
People who think that the election was stolen (or at least rigged) do not do so because they "believe" Trump.
They think so no matter what Trump does or does not say about it. Their opinions do not depend on Trump.
People know that Republican poll-watchers were prevented from doing their jobs effectively. Why were they prevented? Explain that. This particular issue has nothing to do with what Trump did or did not say.
Some mail-in ballots were supposed to be segregated in Pennsylvania. Why were thy not segregated? Explain that. This particular issue has nothing to do with what Trump did or did not say.
In Atlanta, poll-watchers were told to go home, but then ballots were counted for two hours in the middle of the night, supposedly because an imaginary water-leak caused a tw0-hour delay in ballot-counting. Explain that. This particular issue has nothing to do with what Trump did or did not say.
People think that the election was stolen (or at least rigged) because they watch events and they think for themselves.
Of course the only problem with these "facts", are they are not facts at all, but somewhere on the spectrum between bullshit and outright lies, promulgated by the president and his allies.
you know what mary mccarthy said about lillian hellman, 'every word is a lie, including the & and' the same goes for the impeachment managers brief,
"But it didn’t and now we are pretty much fucked."
I knew we were fucked for certain the moment Comey uttered the words, 'No reasonable prosecutor...'
That was the final nail in the coffin of equal justice under the law.
That concept is now right up there with Snow White and Rapunzel...a fairy tale.
Of course we know the election was stolen. The antics by the Democrats are examples of the consciousness of guilt.
In your world, hundreds or thousands of people conspired to alter the count in numerous states (the case that Biden only outperformed Hillary in a handful of jurisdictions was disproven long ago), yet no one has come forward and claimed to have been involved in this massive conspiracy. Dominion is suing Rudy for defaming them. If they had something to hide, why would they risk discovery.
Your belief (and Trump's, if he does actually believe his own bullshit) is based on bullshit and lies.
pursuant to alito's order two weeks before the election, it was ignored by the secretary of state in pennsylvania, who has resigned for other reasons,
“His belief he won”. What a bunch of bullshit. Trump KNOWS he won. His voters and supporters do. So do Democrats who like and support the outcome of the fraud. So do people who just want to pretend it didn’t happen so they can collect pensions in peace.
If all these crooks in Washington really believed Biden won, do you think they would militarize the United States Capitol after watching it be vandalized all summer 2020?
It’s not that people living in Dane County, WI can’t recognize totalitarianism and the destruction of a constitutional republic. They are a part of it. It also took decades of 60s radicals taking over our universities and public school systems to dumb down the country enough to buy this crap.
And then there’s the Devil…. He’s in on it too. We’re fucked.
But at least we have a Marjorie Taylor Green out there that isn’t going to shut up about it. She's a female John the Baptist.
Prove to me Biden won and Trump lost. You can't.
That's the problem.
Let's not forget that if Trump had been declared the winner, the Dems would have insisted Putin hacked the system and installed Trump and they'd have burned every major city. The riots would still be going on.
Of course the only problem with these "facts", are they are not facts at all
Did the the aliens abuse you sexually when you were abducted?
We care about his state of mind.
In my opinion a person's true state of mind is something other people can never truly know for certain (unless and until we develop mind reading technology or something anyway). We can only really judge a person by what they said and did.
Is it possible that Trump wanted a violent insurection? Sure. But lots of things are possible. Is it likely that Trump wanted violent insurrection? Well, what did he do and say in the months and weeks and days leading up to January 6th? Did he ever openly and clearly ask or encourage his supporters to commit actual violence? Did he personally take specific actions to bring about what happened? I'm not talking about actions that could perhaps be interpreted subjectively to lead to the violence, but actual clear and unequivocal actions that can't really be interpreted any other way.
It seems to me at worst that there's much more of a case for negligence than anything deliberate or planned. And if so... if you could persuasively make such the argument that Trump was negligent, that he should have known that this sort of thing could happen, that might disqualify Trump in the minds of many of his supporters for any future attempts at the Presidency.
But the problem for pretty much everyone whose been trying to make the argument that Trump shouldn't ever be allowed to become president again is that they've shown themselves to be dishonest, hypocritical, and corrupt for at least the past 4 years. They're proven that they're bad faith actors over and over again. And as such, few actual Trump supporters will ever listen to their arguments no matter what they say.
So ultimately it doesn't matter if some point could be made that Trump was negligent if the people making the argument appear to be far worse than negligent in the eyes of Trump's supporters. So this whole show trial seems unlikely to separate Trump from his supporters and far more likely to anneal his supporters to him even further. There's no trust here. There's no honest attempt at finding any good and fair solution. We're only left with anger and revenge.
Democratic Party leadership participated in a coup attempt (Russian collusion hoax) followed by a pointless impeachment where the President was impeached for asserting executive privilege (Article 2). I’d rather have a populist insurrection than a government coup.
that is who hbo ran 'kill chain' in the spring, even frontline had a segment on dominions many flaws, just two weeks before the election, the fact that judge totenberg demanded a paper backup, yet the two staunch republicans, brashler and lagoa, said 'it would be fine' shows the fix was in
Freder Frederson at 12:11 PM
Of course the only problem with these "facts", are they are not facts at all, but somewhere on the spectrum between bullshit and outright lies, promulgated by the president and his allies.
Also, Trump's vote counts went up but then went far down many times. Explain that.
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In the battleground state of Florida, the election was conducted normally, and Trump won comfortably.
In the battleground states where lots of shenanigans were allowed, Trump lost.
glenn said... Maybe what’s wrong is and always has been acceptance of something you know to be wrong. But let’s keep peace in the family.
Right on the money Glenn. I don’t think that was so much the motivation of the swamp creatures in on the fraud, but I’ve believed this is basically Althouse’s motivation post-election. Especially the Texas lawsuit with received the tag “lawsuits I hope will fail”.
In places like Madison, Wisconsin (America’s #1 place to retire, but not to be a ballerina) this would be an earth shattering reality, and the destruction of a community’s world view. They only perceive themselves from within. Any REAL concern for anyone or any culture other than their own is destructive to their superiority complex. It’s why they are so skilled at using Milwaukee’s inner city minorities for their own political comfort.
Sadly, we all know the “peace” doesn’t last. It festers as Uncle Fester is allowed to abuse more of the cousins until it explodes.
a colleague of miss rosenberg,
https://babalublog.com/2021/02/03/black-lives-matter-at-school-website-features-a-quote-from-fbi-most-wanted-terrorist-hiding-in-cuba/
DanTheMan said...Funny, isn't it, that they didn't mention Hillary in their "history" lesson.
Surely this was just "an honest bureaucratic snafu".
Indeed. The only reason must be their own complicity in that glaring conspiracy theory of theirs. Fuck the House Managers I say and I hope they fail miserably.
In the battleground state of Florida, the election was conducted normally, and Trump won comfortably.
In the battleground states where lots of shenanigans were allowed, Trump lost.
So your only evidence of "shenanigans", is the fact that Trump lost those states? And may I remind you that Florida has no-excuse mail in balloting, which is supposed to be the root of all evil.
Did the the aliens abuse you sexually when you were abducted?
The fact that you believe in alien abductions convinces me you are not connected to reality.
Trump KNOWS he won.
If this is true, then he is just as disconnected from reality as you. Which should, in and of itself, disqualify him from future office. Unfortunately, there is no requirement that presidents be sane.
well miss fang fang only works perhaps two at a time,
Freder Frederson at 12:40 PM
So your only evidence of "shenanigans", is the fact that Trump lost those states?
I listed some of the shenanigans -- the interference of the poll-watching, the refusal to segregate the ballots, the imaginary water-leak, the vote-counts going down. Those were just some shenanigans.
Florida did not allow such shenanigans.
The shenanigans happened most importantly in Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee and Philadelphia. Those four cities were able to steal the entire election.
I listed some of the shenanigans -- the interference of the poll-watching, the refusal to segregate the ballots, the imaginary water-leak, the vote-counts going down. Those were just some shenanigans.
And none of those things actually happened. They were just lies spread by Rudy, Trump and all the other liars. Even Newsmax had to stop the MyPillow guy from continuing to lie.
And none of those things actually happened. They were just lies spread by Rudy, Trump and all the other liars. Even Newsmax had to stop the MyPillow guy from continuing to lie.
Thank you for your opinion, Freder.
Let us see the some of the rioters thought Trump was among them, others said they were in the capital at his orders, but never mind the true mind of Trump reveals itself in so many way: He watched on TV and said nothing, he never offered a single word of sympathy to Brian Sicnnick's family or any other of the fifty officers insured by his followers. And he continues to collect money on his false claims. A true TV personality.
Just ignore the laws they changed (IMPROPERLY)and the other Regressive shenanigans Freder. You and your little brown shirts would STILL be out Rioting right now if Trump had won...no matter what. Just admit it.
And none of those things actually happened.
Don't believe your lying eyes isn't the best argument. At best it will only attract the weak minded.
Facts are not facts. And that's a fact.
Thank you for your opinion, Freder.
It is not my opinion, it is what actually happened. Your opinions are delusions. Just like when in 2016 when Michael K. asserted that Hillary's win in California was the result of every foreign born man, woman and child in L.A. (and I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and allowed that he meant the L.A. metropolitan area, not L.A. proper), besides being undocumented or not a U.S. citizen, voted for Hillary.
Even CNN cannot prove R/V's bullshit.
he never offered a single word of sympathy to Brian Sicnnick's family or any other of the fifty officers insured by his followers.
What a liar you are !
In Sicknick's case, it's still not known publicly what caused him to collapse the night of the insurrection. Findings from a medical examiner's review have not yet been released and authorities have not made any announcements about that ongoing process.
According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.
What a liar you are.
One thing I have admired about Trump is the hundreds of phone calls and visits to veterans, police officers, and others who have been wounded in battle, as well as families of the killed or wounded.
90% without media coverage or publicizing. Unlike Biden, Clinton, Obama etc., who always notify the media ahead of time in order to glorify themselves.
Well established fact that Trump never publicizes unless the family requests it.
What is the role of the Black Rod in Parliament?
Black Rod's role at the State Opening of Parliament is one of the most well-known images of Parliament. Black Rod is sent from the Lords Chamber to the Commons Chamber to summon MPs to hear the Queen's Speech.
In British tradition Blackrod is /obliged to attack the doors/ of The Commons.
I would recommend that USA develop tradition of /crowd attacking doors/ of The Capitol before next election is certified.
Just like when in 2016 when Michael K. asserted that Hillary's win in California was the result of every foreign born man, woman and child in L.A. (and I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and allowed that he meant the L.A. metropolitan area, not L.A. proper), besides being undocumented or not a U.S. citizen, voted for Hillary.
Good grief ! More liars out today. I have no doubt that illegals voting added to Hillary's totals. Do you know anything about California or are you using your Field Marshal skills to opine?
"Just ignore the laws they changed (IMPROPERLY)..."
This was the biggest giveaway.
They felt they had to rig the game before it even started.
The delusions of the lefties are startling after all the facts that have been disclosed the past 4 years. I know they close their ears but this level of delusion is just astounding. All Good Germans, of course.
Donald Trump told CNNMSNBCCBSNBCABCFOXWAPONYTLATVOX to report that vote counting had stopped because of a water leak. And they went along. He deepfaked the video of a woman screaming all Republicans out of this room where vote counting was taking place. He deepfaked the videos of Republican poll watchers not being allowed into polling places. All fake.
That's... whatever it is, Fredo.
If this election had happened the same way except switch parties, the investigations would still be ongoing and not a single case would have been dismissed on standing or laches or any other reason. Everyone knows that.
It was Hillary who encouraged rioters with her never-concede message broadcast on every cable and MSM print, 'net, and TV source.
Contrary to public opinion, Clintons and Trump are great friends. Hillary must pretend otherwise or lose her friends and influence.
Her don't concede message was mostly meant for Trump because she knew the fix was in.
You can look it up if you don't believe me.
Freder is out and on fire. At least he is using his real handle instead of the troll IDs.
Freder Frederson at 1:25 PM
It is not my opinion, it is what actually happened. Your opinions are delusions. Just like when in 2016 when Michael K. asserted that ...
I suggest that you address my arguments and Michael K's arguments in separate comments.
"his belief that he won...”
It he believes it, it’s not a lie, to quote George Castanza, but George was right, the articles claim he was lying, so this kind of contradicts that charge.
"Clintons and Trump are great friends."
I'm guessing not so much these days : )
Freder Frederson said...
Thank you for your opinion, Freder.
It is not my opinion, it is what actually happened. Your opinions are delusions. Just like when in 2016 when Michael K. asserted that Hillary's win in California was the result of every foreign born man, woman and child in L.A. (and I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and allowed that he meant the L.A. metropolitan area, not L.A. proper), besides being undocumented or not a U.S. citizen, voted for Hillary.
Hold on a dang second!
Inga said...
Known Unknown, I may have zero proof that ... happened, but you also have zero proof that it didn't happen. As I said it's classified info and we are not privy to it. Be patient. Not every thing gets leaked.
5/12/17, 3:29 PM
" suggest that you address my arguments and Michael K's arguments in separate comments.”
You have been around here long enough to know that that’s not how they play the game. If they start making declaritive statement that can be examined for fidelity to the facts as we know them, they get the crap beat out of them (figuratively) so they stick to vague talking points that are so removed from a faithful recounting of the facts that they could mean almost anything.
I have no doubt that illegals voting added to Hillary's totals.
You claimed that 3 million plus non-citizens voted in L.A. alone (I am too lazy to find the exact quote but remember it clearly because when I called you out on it, there were crickets). So assuming you meant the L.A. metro area (because if your stated assertion were true, almost everyone who lives L.A. is not a U.S. citizen), I checked the census data, and the entire foreign born population of the L.A. metro area is just over 3 million (and of course many, if not most, of them are naturalized citizens or legal residents).
So your assertion was just bullshit.
I suggest that you address my arguments and Michael K's arguments in separate comments.
I am sorry if stating two things at the same time confuses you.
They are desperately trying to make arguments that puts looking into what happened in the actual vote counting out of bounds, but I think that they screwed up when they accused Trump of lying. Now they are trying to say “even if he believed it” but they called him a liar in the articles and he has every right to make his case that he is not lying.
This puts the vote count into play in the trial. We can finally examine what happened with witnesses and evidence and cross examination. Bring it on!
Democrats don’t want us looking into an election that they assured us, along with Google, Facebook, and Twitter was totally above board with “robust” protections for mail in voting, such as oversight of ballot canvassing by both parties and signature matching (both of which never happened in the hotly contested precincts)
BTW, just because logic and fairness dictate that Trump should be allowed to refute the charge that he lied, that doesn’t mean I think that the Democrats have any intention of allowing either fair play or reason to have a part in this kangaroo court.
Peace in the Middle East, standing up for school accountability, standing up to diversity (e.g. racism) and exclusion rackets run in re-education camps/offices/classrooms, confronting progressive prices (e.g. Obamacares), confronting labor and environmental arbitrage (e.g. Green industrial complex, environmentalism, shared/shifted/obfuscated responsibility), ending the policy of wars without borders, pursuing emigration reform to mitigate progress and colletaral damage from [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] immigration reform (e.g. "refugee crises"), standing up for women and girls as Progressives and Liberals bitterly cling to conflation of sex and gender, addressing the prophecy of [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate cooling... warming... change. More than 17 trimesters of witch hunts, warlock trials, JournoListic braying, and protests and Occupations by groups ranging from neo-Fascists to the neo-KKK. Planned Parent/hood in Democrat districts. Weathering the excess hospitalizations and deaths forced through a denial and stigmatization of early, inexpensive, low-risk treatment of the Sars-CoV-2 virus and Covid-19 disease progression. Standing up to diverse irregularities, perhaps fraud in several Democrat districts (e.g. Atlanta of "every child left behind" fame) in a bid to audit the vote after the Electoral Press through early publication forced demos-cracy to be aborted at the Twilight Fringe ("darkness"). All-American: Pro-Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness: human and civil rights. #HateLovesAbortion
the third part of the story,
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-3-crashing-the-white-house-december-18/
"I checked the census data, and the entire foreign born population of the L.A. metro area is just over 3 million (and of course many, if not most, of them are naturalized citizens or legal residents)."
Census data isn't going to show you who they haven't counted.
Why would you 'assume' that 'many, if not most, of them are naturalized citizens or legal residents'?
Either they are or they aren't.
Personally, I believe that thousands of illegals voted for Hillary, but that's just my gut feeling from living in CA for many decades.
Illegals here have zero fear of any repercussions because of their status. They live here with impunity...there are no consequences for breaking the law.
So why shouldn't they vote?
Did I mention that Blogger is absolute shit today?
Trump called for an "audit the vote" due to sworn and recorded observations of irregularities, perhaps fraud, in several Democrat districts, and an Electoral Press, that over 17 trimesters carried out cover-ups and incited people... persons to violence, and has a legacy of premature declarations (i.e. extra-constitutional, anti-democratic) of outcomes. Simple. Around half a million Americans assembled to support the cause. Several hundred at the Capitol. Several dozen who were and were not "Trump supporters" protested or were escorted inside. One unarmed woman killed in a novel case of self-defense (Pro-Choice?). Demos-cracy is aborted at the Twilight Fringe ("darkness").
tim in vermont at 1:44 PM
They are desperately trying to make arguments that puts looking into what happened in the actual vote counting out of bounds, but I think that they screwed up when they accused Trump of lying. Now they are trying to say “even if he believed it” but they called him a liar in the articles and he has every right to make his case that he is not lying.
Well stated.
Anyone who asserts illegal aliens don’t vote in our elections is gaslighting you. We make it super easy in California by automatically registering voters when renewing drivers licenses. Just check the “yup I’m a citizen” box and voila, instant Democrat. Then to ensure lotsa fraud we do not remove people from a county when they relocate, we simply add another ballot to their mailer. For our final act we allow activists to “harvest” votes from people who would otherwise sit or sleep (coma patients welcome here) through elections. So we get a lot of ballots amassing at certain addresses just waiting for bundlers to come “harvest” them. You actually have to appear in most county registrar offices to get your old address OFF voter rolls if you change counties in between elections. Death is also not enough to trigger the registrar, unless you show them the cert in person in San Bernardino County (largest county in lower 48).
What's interesting in these discussions for me is that people who are certain there was no cheating or voter fraud are people who never watched any of the state legislature hearings, listened to first hand testimony on the fraud, and base their opinions solely from main stream media reports which were repeating non stop there was NO EVIDENCE of fraud. Then the story got changed to there was no evidence of widespread fraud.
People who actually took the time to listen to the hearings and testimonies of poll watchers and a brave truck driver (who witnessed a shipment of fake ballots taken from NY to PA), and a brave poll watcher in Detroit who reported that in her experience the number of votes never matches the number of voters in certain precincts, know what happened is fraud. And those are people like me, for example, who are very hurt and disappointed by the attitude of our political class who know better than the citizens what is right.
If nothing is done about cleaning up voter registration rolls then there will always room for ballot stuffing. etc. because there is no way of accurately comparing the amount of votes compared to registered voters. As far as big cities such as Philadelphia and Detroit are concerned their corruption is well known.
Of course Dominion is going to sue, they have to at least make an effort to defend their reputation. Anyone who thinks that the Dominion machines haven't been completely cleaned and given the "Hillary Clinton email server and phone treatment" are foolish indeed. She actually destroyed evidence and got away with that too.
What bothers me now is that Democrats who never followed the hearings, etc., insist that people who did should forget what they heard. That's not going to happen. I'm willing to accept what happened but not to pretend it didn't happen.
The difference between now and the previous events is that there are many more witnesses because of the internet and social media.
I checked the census data, and the entire foreign born population of the L.A. metro area is just over 3 million (and of course many, if not most, of them are naturalized citizens or legal residents).
Freder, you are such a fool. California's population probably contains up to 8 million illegals. Do you really think you can find out how many using census data? Do you remember the big flap about counting illegals in the census ? San Diego and the central valley, which you know nothing about, have millions of illegals.
When I was reviewing worker's comp claims in CA, about half were by illegals, about a third of those did not speak Spanish and most claimed a second grade education if they did. That doesn't mean half of all workers are illegal but it does mean that about half in dangerous occupations are.
Even Orange County, where I lived for 50 years, has Mexican ghettos with largely illegal populations. When my wife's drivers' license expired in January 2016, that coincided with the new law allowing illegals to get DLs. She tried for an appointment calling in December, well ahead of time. She could not renew her license until April. So, to accommodate illegals, she did without legal ID for 4 months. We moved to AZ a year later.
You are as ignorant on this as you are about most things.
Anyone who asserts illegal aliens don’t vote in our elections is gaslighting you.
This is just illogical. If you were an undocumented immigrant, why on earth would you draw attention to yourself by illegally registering to vote, and then actually voting? If you are in this country illegally, the last thing you would want to do is draw attention to yourself by registering and voting. How stupid do you think these people are?
Freder is as hysterical as when he gets into military strategy. I wonder if he really believes this stuff or is reading a script? I know the trolls are doing so but to put this nonsense under your own name is something else.
Do you think when Eric Swalwell is speaking at the Impeachment Podium Pelosi will arrange to have his Chinese Spy fellate him under the lectern, like Pam Morrison did for Jim Morrison when The Doors were recording The Soft Parade?
“We care about his state of mind."
“Who dat we?”
We 81+ million Americans.
Freder Frederson said...How stupid do you think these people are?
Funny enough, we think they're a hell of a lot smarter than you.
AlGore attempted to steal the presidential election in 2020 via recount, after clearly losing it, and was prevented only by the "Republican Riot" in which khacki-clad "rioters" prevented vote counting from taking place without outside observers present.
AlGore attempted to steal the election. The NYTimes review of all methods of vote recounting show that ONLY the selective partial recount desired by AlGore would have led to his victory. Every single other way of partially or fully counting and recounting votes in Florida resulted in a Bush win.
AlGore failed to steal the election. But the Democrats learned from his failure, and used purposefully-unauditable votes from urban centers to win in several states. Were the votes from those close states valid? There was, and is, no way to tell. That alone makes for a compelling case of perfidy in the vote counts.
"This is just illogical. If you were an undocumented immigrant, why on earth would you draw attention to yourself by illegally registering to vote, and then actually voting? If you are in this country illegally, the last thing you would want to do is draw attention to yourself by registering and voting. How stupid do you think these people are?"
You still don't get it...they DO NOT LIVE IN THE SHADOWS.
They don't hide because they don't have to. They are welcomed in CA with open arms.
They aren't the stupid ones, we are for allowing rampant lawlessness in our state for the sake of 'inclusion' and 'diversity.'
What planet do you live on?
Do you remember the big flap about counting illegals in the census ? San Diego and the central valley, which you know nothing about, have millions of illegals.
So are you denying that you claimed in 2016 that 3 million illegals voted in L.A. alone? If you really want to be embarrassed, I could go back and search for the claim. But it would consume my precious time and you would just be exposed as the liar you are.
And btw, the figure most frequently cited for the entire undocumented population of the country is around 11 million. Even if that under-counts by a few million, that still means, that according to you, about 3/4 of undocumented immigrants live in California. That of course, is a ridiculous assertion.
“Freder is as hysterical as when he gets into military strategy. I wonder if he really believes this stuff or is reading a script? I know the trolls are doing so but to put this nonsense under your own name is something else.”
Michael K is a troll who cannot accept that other people have an opinion that is more rational and intelligent than his. It makes him grumpy.
Narayanan said...
In British tradition Blackrod is /obliged to attack the doors/ of The Commons.
I would recommend that USA develop tradition of /crowd attacking doors/ of The Capitol before next election is certified.
The Government and Opposition benches in the House of Commons are reportedly separated by a distance that equals the length of two extended sword blades.
How stupid do you think these people are?
Well they might be as stupid as Democrat Congress members ,like Hank Johnson or Sheila Jackson Lee. The later asked the NASA staff if they could drive the Mars rover over to the American flag left on the Moon by the Astronauts in the Apollo mission.
Hank, of course, is the Guam capsize authority.
The illegals in CA know they are protected by the Dims so have no hesitancy in voting. One precinct in Santa Ana in 2018 had 114% turnout. Just like Philadelphia.
The non-Spanish speaking illegals, about 1/3 of them, are harder to question. You need to know the Indian village language.
They might be as stupid as you are, Freder.
Trump's far right militant extremists were rallied everyday by our past president's dangerous words such as these: “We will never give in. We will never give up, and we will never back down. We will never ever surrender.”
We need not pick apart the written words of the House prosecutors which are more carefully rendered than Trump's nonsensical emotion driven by Donald's crazy conspiracy theories.
“The people of Georgia are angry. The people of the country are angry, and there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you've recalculated,” Trump said on the call. "All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break."
Unlike Billy Joel, Donald is not "An Innocent Man."
"Do you think when Eric Swalwell is speaking at the Impeachment Podium Pelosi will arrange to have his Chinese Spy fellate him under the lectern, like Pam Morrison did for Jim Morrison when The Doors were recording The Soft Parade?"
Insert Kamala joke here...
Michael K is a troll who cannot accept that other people have an opinion that is more rational and intelligent than his. It makes him grumpy.
No, I am not one of your lefty trolls who have blank profiles. You know who I am and I know who you are, bedpan commando. I even recognized your nonsense several years ago when you were posting as "unknown." I don't argue with trolls as they are reading scripts. I gave up arguing with you because you are an idiot.
gadfly is also not a troll. Just a crazy lefty, like Freder.
And the Maddow Assassination Cult Commando checks in to talk about who has a rational opinion. The one who believed everything the Hillary campaign and the FBI and CIA tells her about Trump and Russia and has no idea that the stuff that has been declassified, (Although Biden has now frozen any furthing declassifications, I wonder why.... not) shows that she was lied to.
that's why they picked the erotic poetry reader as dni, to bury the rest of the cabal's doings, of course you have kevin carroll, who's all in on a purge of 'deplorables,' he is part of project mclellan, 'those words they are using,
I would love to hear one of our liberal commenters here address the fact that one of the impeachment managers was having an affair with a Chinese spy. I am sure you guys have a rationalization, but I would like to hear it.
according to you, about 3/4 of undocumented immigrants live in California. That of course, is a ridiculous assertion.
The estimate that I see most often is 20 million illegals living in the US. Even left leaning studies suggest that 25% are in CA.
but of course,
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-pick-to-run-unemployment-program-oversaw-hundreds-of-millions
Browndog:” We're a clown country without virtue.”
"The estimate that I see most often is 20 million illegals living in the US. Even left leaning studies suggest that 25% are in CA."
I've heard 30 million, but what's 10 million illegals between friends?
“Trump's far right militant extremists were rallied everyday by our past president's dangerous words such as these: “We will never give in. We will never give up, and we will never back down. We will never ever surrender.””
And Trump repeated those words in varying ways since the day after the election, enough time to keep his loyal followers in high dudgeon for months until the culmination at the Capitol of the months long incitement based on a fantasy. And a majority of his followers to this day are still swayed by Trump’s lie that the election was stolen from him. If he had a decent bone in his corrupt body, he would admit to his loyal followers that he was mistaken and the election was NOT stolen. History might even look upon him more kindly one day if he did this
Michael K called me a troll, and my profile isn’t even blank. He means troll as a synonym for “commenter who annoys me”. He's kind of a troll.
"We will never give in. We will never give up, and we will never back down. We will never ever surrender."
"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..."
Sounds OK to me...
The real beef against Trump here is that he was selfish and irresponsible. He cared more about overturning the election than building the wall or draining the swamp, and put more hours into it. In the process he got irresponsible. Most of us here can see that he did not incite violence. Most of us can also see there are a lot of dipshits who would NOT see his words that way. A president should be aware of the Dustin, and be prudent. Trump was not.
My recommendation: acquittal but the responsible GOP senators, of which there are a few, call him unfit.
Until someone can explain why at least five states simply stopped updating their vote totals for three hours - in the dead of night - and then miraculously had Biden in the lead when the updating resumed, this election will always stink.
And you know it.
Somehow the name Hillary Clinton wasn’t mentioned. It may have something to do with the fact that she’s still squawking the Russians stole the 2016 election from her.
"enough time to keep his loyal followers in high dudgeon for months “
Said the person who maintained her high dudgeon for four years based on the lies and incitements of cable news broadcasters like Maddow who incited the attempted assassination of several Republicans at a softball practice.
All of a sudden though it’s a problem for her. Four years ago 200 people were arrested for violent protest at Trump’s inauguration were let go without charges. Democrats changed the rules on violence. And this all assumes that we know who led the violent attack on the Capitol in the first place.
Blogger Delphin Strungk said...
Michael K called me a troll, and my profile isn’t even blank. He means troll as a synonym for “commenter who annoys me”. He's kind of a troll.
No, I mean trolls who recite from scripts written for them by others. I have yet to see an original thought from you. I do see that you have a useless profile.
Inga
“ If he had a decent bone in his corrupt body, he would admit to his loyal followers that he was mistaken and the election was NOT stolen. History might even look upon him more kindly one day if he did this”
Yup.
Does Michael K call you a troll too?
"He cared more about overturning the election than building the wall or draining the swamp, and put more hours into it."
You may not have noticed, but the election was toward the very end of his term.
Not much a lame duck president can do in 2 months.
The Mueller prersecution, which declassified documents show was based on lies and Mueller knew it on day one, did far more damage to our democracy than the events of Jan 6, which just played into Democrat hands by handing them a pretext to collectively punish based on guilt by association their political opponents. Just like any authoritarian ruler worth his salt, they eviscerated the first amendment rights to speech and assembly, well, by their opponents anyway, and are working on unleashing the secret police. That’s Adam Schiff’s brief, to write a law to enable surveillance of the right and overlook their allies like Ante-Fa on the left.
“ I mean trolls who recite from scripts written for them by others. ”
You mean like Trump reciting Churchill? Or like Joe smith reciting Trump reciting Churchill?
Your every second post is a variant on “the trolls, the trolls”. Talk about reciting standardized attacks!
I'm signing off now as this was how you got those 400 comment threads when Ritmo and Chuck were still dropping turds here.
So Joe, you agree Trump put in more hours on the recounts in his last 2 months than he did in all 24 months on building the wall?
I’m impressed.
"If he had a decent bone in his corrupt body”
Let’s talk about corruption, since you brought it up:
After the firing, the two large men escorted the fund’s president out of the firm’s midtown Manhattan office, and James Biden laid out his vision for the fund’s future. “Don’t worry about investors,” he said, according to the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of retaliation. “We’ve got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden.”
James Biden made it clear he viewed the fund as a way to take money from rich foreigners who could not legally give money to his older brother or his campaign account. “We’ve got investors lined up in a line of 747s filled with cash ready to invest in this company,” the executive remembers James Biden saying.
At this, the executive recalled, Beau Biden, who was then running for attorney general of Delaware, turned bright red. He told his uncle, “This can never leave this room...”
https://www.politico.eu/article/joe-biden-presidential-bid-family-business-history-democrats/
“Does Michael K call you a troll too?”
Michael K has called everyone he thinks is a liberal a troll. He trawls the comments sections for imaginary trolls. He thinks he sees trolls, he smells trolls, he dreams of trolls and he has given himself the role of troll fighter of the Althouse comments sections, but I think he’s just a “Karen”.
If Inga didn’t have projection, she would have nothing to talk about.
“I'm signing off now as this was how you got those 400 comment threads when Ritmo and Chuck were still dropping turds here.”
Bye Karen, sweet dreams.
"So Joe, you agree Trump put in more hours on the recounts in his last 2 months than he did in all 24 months on building the wall?"
This statement makes no sense. Just as your statement at 2:35 makes no sense.
It is completely out of context.
I will give Delphin a pass because English is not his (xir's?) first language, although I admire every person who is multi-lingual.
"acquiesced to the peaceful transfer of power"
Doesn't this describe the current office holder leaving and the new office holder taking over? It has nothing to do with candidates accepting they lost.
The estimate that I see most often is 20 million illegals living in the US. Even left leaning studies suggest that 25% are in CA.
Is that the estimate the monkeys flying out of your butt show you? Because if you checked the internet and actual studies, you would find the estimate is most often between 10 and 13 million.
if you could persuasively make such the argument that Trump was negligent, that he should have known that this sort of thing could happen
Well... if this were indeed the standard the Democrats in the Senate would be using, then clearly they could not convict Trump, since in all the rioting we've seen since Trump was elected - oh, heck, let's go back a few decades. In all the rioting we've seen in living memory, almost literally none of it was perpetrated by Republicans.
Michael K said...No, I mean trolls who recite from scripts written for them by others. I have yet to see an original thought from you. I do see that you have a useless profile.
Nailed it dude.
Dr. Althouse: The question is whether he intended to incite the crowd to commit acts of violence.
As with the first impeachment trial, the Democrats want to have it at least three ways:
1. Impeachment is a political, not criminal, matter (so no criminal charges need to be brought).
2. The opposing party has a constitutional obligation to make the same political judgments the party in control of the House of Representatives does.
3. The Senate voting process is a criminal trial, with the article(s) of impeachment now becoming, not just the accusation(s) of crime(s), but their existence being ipso facto proof of the commission of the crime(s).
IANAL, but it didn't pass the laugh test the first time, and it's no less risible the second.
Jackson, Nixon and Gore were not incumbent presidents during those elections. Why is it even relevant to ask if they acceded to a peaceful transfer of power? The transfer entails the incumbent administration cooperating with the incoming administration. To some extent, Nixon and Gore were "incumbents" as vice presidents, I suppose. But not really. The transition was directed by their superiors, Eisenhower and Clinton.
Thanks to Christ Doc Mike left. Now I can troll all the required Soros talking points without fear of his devastating bodyslam putdowns and shame inducing disappointment.
Thanks to all the other trolls. Even though we compete for Clinton Foundation money, it's nice to see the collegiate and supportive environment reminding us we are all on the same team.
The demands that Trump "admit" either that he lost the election or that he was lying all along about believing that he won the election (or both) have the ring of "Say Uncle!" and nothing more. And everyone knows it's only nominally about Trump; he's the stand-in for everyone who is indignant about the opacity and, at minimum, shenanigans of this year's elections.
I've said many times, and will keep saying until the situation changes, that if you wanted to be able to commit vote fraud where you needed it, the actions taken this year by Democrats, especially in the cities that would move the needle in battleground states, would be your template.
It is certainly possibly that there's no way, now, to "prove" that significant, targeted fraud happened in those places, much less that the election turned on that fraud - because that's the way the Democrats in those places set up the process. But that means you also can't "prove" that Biden won fairly - you can only assert it, over and over.
Of course, all this may be moot if HR1 passes, extending the "fraud if, when, and where we need it" template nationwide. That's one of the situational changes that might shut me up about it, since it could be the precursor to criminalizing certain political stances and I have kids whose lives I don't want to see ruined through my criminality. But I'm not quite ready to say uncle yet.
Wow, the leftists are out in force today, justifying rioting, looting, burning, and murder. Justifying election fraud. Insisting that facts are lies and lies are facts.
Hey Inga: still claim that you would rather be waterboarded than admit that shooting Republicans is wrong?
Apparently leftists and the FBI are now arresting people for "illegal memeing" i.e. making cartoons that criticize a leftist.
I wonder how our "we are more moral and better than you Republicans" here justify arresting people for criticizing Joe Biden? Did we fight the British so we could have oppressive Democrat party jackboots arresting "dissenters" now?
I would like to point out that when Al Gore disputed the vote tallies in FL, we all watched on live TV the review of each vote being contested. Complete transparency of the how votes were being tabulated. When Democrats tried to prevent Republicans and the public from being able to witness the recount, Republicans boisterously, but peacefully protested and forced Demorcrats to allow public scrutiny.
Notice that neither Republican legislatures or the public were allowed even minimal scrutiny of the contested counting.
FYI: “As rioters overpowered Capitol police, Sicknick was pepper-sprayed and hit in the head, his father said. Ambulance crews resuscitated him twice as he was rushed to a nearby Washington hospital. Sicknick died the next day,” Reuters reported.
Mk just repeats right wing BS as usual.
Surprising complete lack of transparency is why this election will remain contested. And I might point out, if the same set of circumstances enabled DJT to win, we all know the MSM would be going bananas.
Inga
Well put. Did you notice that immediately after I said half his posts were just “the trolls the trolls” he announced he was leaving due to ... trolls!
I’m not even a liberal. I’m a never Trumper.
“I’m not even a liberal. I’m a never Trumper.”
Oh whoa, he hates you even worse! I’m sure Karen is still monitoring the comments sections for “trolls”. He’ll be back later with a report of troll activity while he was gone.
“FYI: “As rioters overpowered Capitol police, Sicknick was pepper-sprayed and hit in the head, his father said. Ambulance crews resuscitated him twice as he was rushed to a nearby Washington hospital. Sicknick died the next day,” Reuters reported.
Mk just repeats right wing BS as usual.”
After all these weeks of repeating the question “Who killed Ashli Babbitt?” Not one of the Trumpists here have asked, who killed Officer Brian Sicknick? They are still trying to say he died of natural causes.
roesch/voltaire,
FYI: “As rioters overpowered Capitol police, Sicknick was pepper-sprayed and hit in the head, his father said. Ambulance crews resuscitated him twice as he was rushed to a nearby Washington hospital. Sicknick died the next day,” Reuters reported.
As several people (including me, on a different thread) have already posted, this info is out of date. Sicknick had, according to the ME, no blunt-force trauma, so he was not hit on the head. They are apparently still investigating possible bear/pepper spray, but have seen no video evidence of same. The two resuscitations on the way to hospital are news to me, but what isn't news is that he was out of hospital and back in his Capitol office when he collapsed and died, not "the next day" but later the same day.
The info above comes from a CNN(!) report dated today. What's the date of your Reuters citation?
Inga, we are not (yet) asking who killed Officer Sicknick b/c at the moment we do not even have a cause of death. We have one for Ashli Babbitt; she was shot, and the Capitol police know by whom, but aren't saying. (NB I hold no particular belief for Babbitt, who was at minimum behaving very aggressively in a nasty situation.)
For "belief" in the above, please read "brief." Sorry.
Ann weighs in on this subject but does not endanger her general position of not weighing in on Constitutional matters.
...but she's all in on discussion parsing political farce. Have at it...
...an observation, not criticism.
We didn't need to go back to Jackson for this one.
The biggest difference between past contested elections and this one in 2020 is that Trump was not the only one who was calling for investigations and hearings. In fact most of the hearings were not filed by Trump's legal team.
Again, this mass interest is because of the internet and social media, not because of anything Trump did or said. You might as well blame and impeach millions of citizens for watching Youtube videos and sharing their outrage online for what happened at the Capitol, because it wasn't just Trump who was upset by the apparent fraud. There were poll watchers, truck drivers, IT personnel, advanced mathematicians etc., who testified about the anomalies the witnessed first hand and outright fraud they witnessed first hand.
In fact there are already calls for mass control of US citizens:
“Former CIA Officer (Robert Grenier): Treat Domestic Extremism As An Insurgency,” by Mary Louise Kelly, NPR, February 2, 2021
Q: As someone who has watched many violent insurgencies unfold in various countries around the world, what felt the same to you? What felt different?
A: I don’t want to be one to suggest that somehow the United States is going to in any way resemble Iraq or Afghanistan at the height of violence. But what I think is useful is to have some way of thinking about the problem and thinking through the elements of the solution. So I think as in any insurgency situation, you have committed insurgents who are typically a relatively small proportion of the affected population. But what enables them to carry forward their program is a large number of people from whom they can draw tacit support. And that’s what I’m primarily concerned with here. I think what is most important is that we drive a wedge between those violent individuals and the people who may otherwise see them as reflecting their interests and fighting on their behalf….
good grief, the stringer for al jazeera, who couldn't decide which areas of focus about islamists, who employed kirikaou, who leaked the names of his colleagues to the detainees attorneys and the new york times, the baltimore sun etc
Seems kangaroo court stuff to me. Too bad you guys don’t have a constitution to decide these things. What do Facebook's term of service say?
Inga said...
“Freder is as hysterical as when he gets into military strategy. I wonder if he really believes this stuff or is reading a script? I know the trolls are doing so but to put this nonsense under your own name is something else.”
Michael K is a troll who cannot accept that other people have an opinion that is more rational and intelligent than his. It makes him grumpy.
2/3/21, 2:15 PM
Insinuating Fred more rational and intelligent than he?
Have you no sense of decency, ....? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?
Then this dusky dog beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore,
“Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,” I said, “art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient Canine wandering from the Nightly shore—
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night’s Plutonian shore!”
Quoth the Browndog:” We're a clown country without virtue.”
We Michael K bashing? Fair game: he's supposed to be educated. But somewhere along the line he got to lazy to think or get his facts straight. He might not be a troll, but he's troll adjacent.
citing the afghan war, as a benchmark for success, which has gone on longer then vietnam, where the governments holds less territory now then in 2002, what handbook is grenier and carroll reading,
mary louise kelly, based a character on john brennan, for her roman a clef, he wasn't the main villain but he was an antagonist allied with them,
Anyone who's still repeating the Sicknick head trauma story after yesterday's CNN report is at least as disconnected from reality as the Trump-really-won crowd.
this one,
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A25FCRO/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1
Historical consensus is that Nixon was right.
Pretty weak argument by Althouse.
Russia Collusion Dead Ender Truther Inga: "Michael K is a troll who cannot accept that other people have an opinion that is more rational and intelligent than his. It makes him grumpy."
To this very day Inga believes Trump collided with Putin to change vote totals in 2016 by exchanging info via "pings" between Alpha Bank and Trump Tower servers, Kavanaugh was a rape gang leader and Carter Page is a Russian spy.
To this very day she believes each of those things.
Passionately.
MDT: "The info above comes from a CNN(!) report dated today. What's the date of your Reuters citation?"
You have to be careful with our resident lefties.
It wasn't that long ago that our very own Inga attempted to use an early 2017 article to "prove" collusion in 2020!
Hilarious.
In Inga's defense, she neither reads nor understands any of the articles she links...but the headlines sometimes look like they support whatever lunatic conspiracy she is pushing at the time.
“It wasn't that long ago that our very own Inga attempted to use an early 2017 article to "prove" collusion in 2020!”
There really is no end to your lies. I know you’re hurting after your monumental loss, sorry...not sorry.
Blogger Ken B said...
We Michael K bashing? Fair game: he's supposed to be educated. But somewhere along the line he got to lazy to think or get his facts straight. He might not be a troll, but he's troll adjacent.
The Canadian Karen is back and spreading more BS. I avoid loonies like Inga and Freder. I guess you have joined their band.
Biden's own press secretary - who is an anti gay bigot - said that anyone who mentions "vote fraud" is dabbling in "hate speech".
Russia Russia Inag cannot think past her blind faith loyalty to her corrupt party.
I find it hilarious that she voted for Jill Stein - who Hillary sez is a Russian Asset!
Perfect.
“The Canadian Karen is back and spreading more BS.”
Ah, I knew Dr.Karen would be back with a report on new troll sightings. Dr.Karen is on the job!
3 pretty common criteria for the posters on the ole professer's blog as epitomized by Michael K.
1. Always go with the old ad hominem.
2. Never ever support your argument or speculation with any kind of a link to actual facts.
3. When all else fails, complain about black people and Puerto Ricans.
Russia Collusion Dead Ender Truther Inga: "There really is no end to your lies. I know you’re hurting after your monumental loss, sorry...not sorry."
When her lunacy is exposed, Inga invariably ceases lying for a moment to falsely accuse others of lying about her.
She is hoping that because history resets every 15 minutes for her that others are afflicted by the same psychotic response.
One of the more fun Inga moments on Althouse was watching Inga move seamlessly and effortlessly from praising for months the antifa lefty riots/city burning to then claiming it was all boogalooers causing all the problems to then claiming the riots never happened at all and it was all a conspiracy theory!
This was similar to Inga claiming for over a year that Hillary funding the hoax dossier (interesting aside: Inga believes the hoax dossier was verified and proven true) was a wild conspiracy theory right up until the moment the under oath testimony (Inga despises under oath testimony) proved Hillary had and voila! Down the memory hole!
Inga has many, many, many "light switch" memory hole moments.
The best part?
After each "turn on a dime"/reversal Inga usually attempts to establish herself as the epitome of the anti-previous-Inga-behavior which makes for even more fun!
You know what’s really fun Drago? Watching you scrambling to regain your footing after your humiliating loss. So many months of Drago claiming victory, claiming Trump would win in some monumentally massive landslide win. Now all I see is a defeated sad man crying big tears while trying to deflect from his cultish nuttery.
Your tears are delicious Drago.
The trolls seem to be taking over the comments.
See you.
“The trolls seem to be taking over the comments.”
🚨Attention! TROLL REPORT! Dr.Karen has elevated the risk to high probability of troll exposure. Proceed at your own risk.🚨
Here are some results from the fake riot: More than 100 officers are still nursing significant physical wounds and countless others are dealing with the psychological trauma of the day -- all while working long hours to keep the Capitol secure. But MK could care less it seems.
Inga: "You know what’s really fun Drago? Watching you scrambling to regain your footing after your humiliating loss. So many months of Drago claiming victory, claiming Trump would win in some monumentally massive landslide win. Now all I see is a defeated sad man crying big tears while trying to deflect from his cultish nuttery."
So much projection.
I'll just file this latest screed next to your "Kavanaugh led a rape gang for 2 decades" delusion.
Frankly, I am surprised you deviated from your usual pattern of claiming you can read minds.
Not that we don't enjoy that at some level, because we do.
I also have enjoyed your many posts where you have pretended to possess deep geo-political/military strategist insight.
You will never fully compare to Freder on that count of course. But still, you were a contender.
And that's something!
r/v: "Here are some results from the fake riot:"
Here are some results from the antifa riots that lasted months across the entire nation that were televised and raised daily by r/v and Inga and then declared completely fictional by those same 2rocket scientists r/v and Inga: 60 dead and $2Billion in damages.
Quick question for r/v: if those riots never happened, why were there 60 funerals and insurance companies paying out billions?
Let me guess: insurance companies are now fictional as well.
Maybe Macedonian troll farms were responsible.
Inga probably thinks Carter Page did it at Putins behest.
Ashli is not “acting aggressively on the video of her death. She is standing still looking through a broken door into an empty hallway with three uniformed police and her husband flanking her. The navy blue suit coat covering the arm that enters the hall opposite through another broken door reveals a cuff-link on the shirt cuff. That anonymous hand holds the gun that kills Ashli. Looks like Congressional personal protection not a uniformed cop. Will we ever know for sure who did the only proven assault that day? The only “rioter” killed by authorities in five years or more? Really?
How strange there is no cause of death known for more than one Capital cop. Hmmm. Helluva press corps we got in DC! Not one that’s curious about this strange death?
"why were there 60 funerals"
Link please
A speech that includes phrases like "go home peacefully," and "don't forget we are on the side of law enforcement" cannot possibly be consistent with a call to insurrection.
There is also a lot of evidence of fraud, starting with the fact that a 78 year old man, who didn't campaign, who came in FIFTH in the NH primary, and who clearly has dementia prevailed, with the highest vote count in the the history of US elections, against the incumbent who had the second highest vote count in the history of US elections.
That alone justifies an investigation.
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