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January 14, 2021

In the Sunrise Café...

... you can talk all night.

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Levi Starks said...: Cultist?
Someone that has an irrational belief that’s different than my irrational belief?; 1/15/21, 8:09 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Spirituality and Communism, Yuri Bezmenov

- 1984; 1/15/21, 8:13 AM
Fernandinande said...: "Prager says Progressivism is the fastest growing cult in the world."
Fixed that for Prager.

You are correct that a worldview or collection of ideas, in this case mostly bad ideas, do not constitute a religion. And Prager called "leftism" the most dynamic religion, not the fastest growing. The fastest growing religion is islam, and "no religion is better than islam".; 1/15/21, 8:17 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Levi Starks said...
Cultist?
Someone that has an irrational belief that’s different than my irrational belief?

If it were that simple, I wouldn't give a damn. It wasn't a mere different belief than mine that killed my mother-in-law - with water - and then fucked my wife to "comfort her" after writing a book saying never do anything extreme during the grieving period.

I swear, people like you should be paid by them for the support.; 1/15/21, 8:17 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Speaking of "generations have been indoctrinated since the '70s" - see Levi's reply for a classic example of the cult apologist. Cults are - literally - destroying lives, but there's always a good ol' Levi around to say it's crazy to see and treat them for what they are.; 1/15/21, 8:21 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Facing my Moonies childhood in San Francisco

SF's "One Taste" cult is being investigated by the FBI. It's named after a book by Ken Wilber, who's the cult leader for the Clintons, Brad Pitt, Jennifer Anniston, and a whole slew of other fools "playing us" as Rusty said.

I think of San Francisco like Mordor in the Lord of the Rings now.; 1/15/21, 8:25 AM
narciso said...: They have long since passed their opportunity at carousel.; 1/15/21, 8:31 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: If Twitter can do what they "want" then every single business in America can open right now.

- Seen on Reddit; 1/15/21, 8:32 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: The Biden recovery will show up as fast as they let it. Even if it doesn't show up -- the media will pimp it. Small business restaurants were crushed and many are not coming back.
Hallelujah - get on your hands and knees for Chi Com Joe.; 1/15/21, 8:33 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Rose McGowan Slams Impeachment as ‘Cult Propaganda'

The people with cult experience know what we're seeing.; 1/15/21, 8:34 AM
Fernandinande said...: re twitter, Titania says:

"I am FURIOUS.

I’ve only lost 16,400 followers so far in this latest Twitter purge.

I won’t be satisfied until the only ones left on Twitter are me and Kamala Harris."; 1/15/21, 8:35 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: SMART: "New York Post banning CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, and New York Times as primary sources: Report"; 1/15/21, 8:36 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: BUY A GUN: "Roger Stone’s wife was attacked by a leftist goon while walking her dog in her neighborhood on Thursday."; 1/15/21, 8:41 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: FUCK THE DEMOCRATS: "Majority Of Republicans Support Donald Trump’s Recent Behavior & Think He Should Run Again In 2024, Poll Shows"; 1/15/21, 8:43 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: I REPEAT - CULTS PLAY A ZERO SUM GAME: "‘Kill All Republicans’: Amazon Sells 204 Items Promoting Violence, Hate"; 1/15/21, 8:45 AM
J. Farmer said...: @gadfly:

The Austrian School, which relies on free markets and capitalism to raise the drawbridge was beat down by socialist's at the beginning of the 20th Century and did not get revived until Friedrich Hayek's writings in 1974.

I am not sure what you are referring to as the Austrian school having been "beat down by socialist's at the beginning of the 20th Century." It was still in the process of developing in the early 20th century, and Hayek did not complete his studies at the University of Vienna until the early 1920s. The decline of Austrian economics more occurred in the mid-20th century for a variety of reasons.

Several of the ideas it produced became accepted and were assimilated into contemporary mainstream economic thinking. But more importantly, the economics profession was quickly becoming mathematicalized. It embraced mathematical modeling, econometrics, and philosophical positivism. Because Austrian school economics is largely opposed to these methodologies, it became increasingly marginalized from the profession.

It is ironic that Hayek's 1974 Nobel win helped renew interested in Austrian school economics. You can make a pretty strong case that Hayek is not, in fact, an Austrian school economist. At the least he represents a tradition distinct from Mises and Rothbard.; 1/15/21, 8:46 AM
Jaq said...: I have always supported doing our best to keep as many people alive as possible until the vaccine came along, but I have always been open to the possibility that I was wrong. I have had the Moderna vaccine already due to my heart condition and the fact that I am in Florida which prioritizes vaccines according to risk and not politics (my only side effect was a sore arm and feeling under the weather for a day), and I am not going to lay awake at night worrying about this, but if Lubos Motl is right and at least among the elderly, the vaccine kills somewhere around 1 in 1500...

https://motls.blogspot.com/2021/01/in-norway-vaccines-might-kill-more.html#more

On the other hand, the risk of death to these elderly people of the disease itself is closer to 1 in 150 due to their age, which is much higher than the risk to the general public that Lubos is using as a comparison.; 1/15/21, 8:48 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: LOST MY ENDORSEMENT: "Trump Advisor: Republicans Who Support Trump Impeachment Don't Have A Future"; 1/15/21, 8:48 AM
Francisco D said...: I wonder what gas prices will be a year from now. Biden will save the planet, end systemic racism and bring us all together, but at what cost?

I bought a gas guzzling Toyota 4Runner last year and pay a little over $2 a gallon now. I suspect that price will double in two years.; 1/15/21, 8:50 AM
Sam L. said...: I got nuthin' to say.; 1/15/21, 8:55 AM
Jaq said...: It’s zero surprise that our corrupt FBI is looking the other way on Antifa’s involvement. But Farmer assures us that we are unhinged to suspect that we are slipping into a fascist form of government that has the potential to become totalitarian.; 1/15/21, 8:56 AM
mockturtle said...: Re Judgment Day:
The first Passover: The Lamb without blemish was slain and its blood was smeared across the door frames of the Jews in Egypt so that the angel of death would pass over that house and not kill its firstborn.

Jesus is our Passover Lamb. Those without the blood of His sacrifice for atonement will be judged for their sins and will all be found guilty and cast into the lake of fire.; 1/15/21, 8:56 AM
Jaq said...: This Apple commercial is almost as ironic as the Twitter announcement that it was unacceptable to deprive a country of information during an election.

https://twitter.com/punditclass/status/1348724138622418944; 1/15/21, 8:59 AM
J. Farmer said...: I'll give @Crack Emcee one thing. He as at least brought a fresh new strand of bizarre paranoia to the threads.; 1/15/21, 8:59 AM
Leland said...: I'm waiting to see how much BLM is mentioned on MLK day Monday. Nothing like promoting an organization that starts by identifying people by the color of their skin to then make assumptions on the content of their character.; 1/15/21, 9:02 AM
Jaq said...: I think that prosecutions should focus on people who assaulted police attempting to hold the line, rather than people who wandered in after police had abandoned their stations. But police seem to be focusing on the latter. - Stephen McIntyre

That was the plan all along. Don’t worry Farmer, your gut feelings are probably more accurate than rational analysis of what is actually going on.; 1/15/21, 9:04 AM
Jaq said...: The way to understand what is going on is to read history and erase from your mind the though that we are somehow and exception to that history, erase the idea that “it can’t happen here” because we all know that Obama ran on the slogan “Yes it can!”

This pattern of creating a “crisis” and using it to consolidate unopposed power is as old as civilization.; 1/15/21, 9:07 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"I'll give @Crack Emcee one thing. He as at least brought a fresh new strand of bizarre paranoia to the threads."

Like Joe Biden wrongly throwing millions of niggas in prison for 26 years with his 1994 crime bill - and then these fools voting Trump out for doing the OPPOSITE - I can defend what I do and say, can y'all?

I've been called a conspiracy theorist - though I back up what I say with links - and now "paranoid" though none of you prove shit. You just yakkety-yak and speculate - ignoring all proof I give you. The Democrats have used cults to steal elections. You can't refute it.

It's no wonder the Democrats can get away with shit.; 1/15/21, 9:08 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: You guys are arguing along the talking points they want you to argue over.

I want to talk about THEM.; 1/15/21, 9:10 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: True: Trump's speech did not incite violence.
Also True: Democrat PARTY ELITE'S own words inspired Antifa.
If you get your news from CNN, NYT, and MSNBC and the other alphabets - you do not know the truth.; 1/15/21, 9:19 AM
wendybar said...: Isn't it funny, how CNN always happens to be at the scene?? First with the SWAT team at Roger Stones house for the secret raid, and now with BLM/ANTIFA boy John Sullivan that HE recorded.....“If we don’t get in, we’re going to burn this sh*t down,” he gloats. “Let’s go! This sh*t’s ours. F*ck yeah. I can’t believe this is reality. We accomplished this sh*t. We did this sh*t together.

“I didn’t know I hit [the window] that hard. No one got that on camera… F*ck the blue! F*ck the blue!”

Can we impeach Pelosi for false impeachment now??; 1/15/21, 9:22 AM
Humperdink said...: @mockturtle Amen.; 1/15/21, 9:23 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...

If you get your news from CNN, NYT, and MSNBC and the other alphabets - you do not know the truth.

After I had said "New York Post banning CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, and New York Times as primary sources: Report"; 1/15/21, 9:24 AM
Jaq said...: " I can defend what I do and say, can y’all?”

As much as he is in denial about it, Farmer argues from feelings he has, not logic.; 1/15/21, 9:31 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Crack - I saw that.
The New York Post is real because it includes all voices from all sides.

The rest of it is leftwing echo chamber.; 1/15/21, 9:38 AM
Francisco D said...: tim in vermont said... As much as he is in denial about it, Farmer argues from feelings he has, not logic.

I disagree. His logic is just fine. I am not sure if he recognizes that his conclusions are sometimes off or if he just likes to argue.

Bet on the latter.; 1/15/21, 9:38 AM
J. Farmer said...: Jesus is our Passover Lamb. Those without the blood of His sacrifice for atonement will be judged for their sins and will all be found guilty and cast into the lake of fire.

I think one of the interesting differences between Judaism and Christianity is that Judaism is more a religion of practice than belief, while Christianity is more a religion of belief than practice.

Judaism provides the foundational mythology that helps to define the Hebrews as a unique people and continues to do so to this day. It's remarkable that Paul was able to take that, Jewish apocalypticism, and Hellenism and create a mythology that defined a new community not based on geography, nationalism, language, or adherence to a prescribed law but rather faith in the Passion of Jesus.; 1/15/21, 9:38 AM
rhhardin said...: Add a crossing line with a white dot where they meet, and it's Nike Zeus intercepts incoming ICBM warhead (1960).; 1/15/21, 9:42 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: wendybar

Can we impeach Pelosi for false impeachment now??

In a fair and just world - Pelosi would be removed.; 1/15/21, 9:46 AM
J. Farmer said...: @The Crack Emcee:

Like Joe Biden wrongly throwing millions of niggas in prison for 26 years with his 1994 crime bill - and then these fools voting Trump out for doing the OPPOSITE - I can defend what I do and say, can y'all?

I am more than happy to defend what I do and say. So, first, what does this have to do with "New Age cults"? It doesn't make much sense to attribute the effects of the '94 crime bill to "Joe Biden," when it had wide bipartisan support. Some of its strongest supporters were the Congressional Black Caucus and Jim Clyburn. A coalition of black mayors also strongly supported its passing, and black Americans were more supportive of its passage than white Americans. Most of the increases in incarceration occurred in the 15 years or so before the bill was even passed. In fact, the '94 crime bill had at most a modest effect on mass incarceration rates in the US. To say it was responsible for "wrongly throwing millions...in prison" is not true.

You just yakkety-yak and speculate - ignoring all proof I give you.

I would quarrel with your word "proof" there. It doesn't even really differentiate if "New Age cults" are a cause or an effect. Anti-porn activists used to point out that serial killers often had habits of viewing pornography and that this was evidence that pornography influenced serial murder and violence against women.; 1/15/21, 9:59 AM
J. Farmer said...: @tim in vermont:

As much as he is in denial about it, Farmer argues from feelings he has, not logic.

Anytime you believe I am guilty of that, please let me know, and I will be more than happy to explain my thought process behind it.

That was the plan all along. Don’t worry Farmer, your gut feelings are probably more accurate than rational analysis of what is actually going on.

I've said nothing about that.

The way to understand what is going on is to read history and erase from your mind the though that we are somehow and exception to that history, erase the idea that “it can’t happen here”

Thanks for the lecture. As it happens, I have no such thoughts in my mind that need erasing and have never made any such claims. Erase from your mind the strawman you insist that I be.

This pattern of creating a “crisis” and using it to consolidate unopposed power is as old as civilization.

Does that fact make 9/11 truthers correct? Does that mean the Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax? Does it validate the LaRouche movement?; 1/15/21, 10:15 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Francisco D:

I disagree. His logic is just fine. I am not sure if he recognizes that his conclusions are sometimes off or if he just likes to argue.

Bet on the latter.

I'm pretty sure I've copped to the liking to argue part, but that's not to say that I argue for the sake of it or play devil's advocate or act contrarian. I believe what I think. I enjoy a conflict of ideas because it exposes my own thought process to criticism and comment from others and it exposed me to other points of view I may not yet have considered. I find that much more stimulating than being the 50th person to say the exact same thing.

What I am not particularly fond of is a conflict of personalities, especially between strangers. If you want to attack my arguments, by all means give it to me with both barrels. If you want to attack me, fuck off.

p.s. I mean the editorial you not the you you.; 1/15/21, 10:31 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...
@The Crack Emcee:

Like Joe Biden wrongly throwing millions of niggas in prison for 26 years with his 1994 crime bill - and then these fools voting Trump out for doing the OPPOSITE - I can defend what I do and say, can y'all?

"So, first, what does this have to do with "New Age cults"?"

I'm pointing out their means-to-an-end political "logic" - which is Oprah by way of the Charles Manson school. It's OK to screw blacks - and reward Biden - just to fight the (non) "racist" Trump.; 1/15/21, 10:40 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"I would quarrel with your word "proof" there."

You guys will quarrel over anything - that's why you're politically useless. The Democrats have been running the same game on you, getting better every year, and you see nothing. I've been saying it for over a decade now.

Juanita Broderick has said she was raped, and MSNBC and Ronin Farrow back her up - she gets nothing from y'all - and has done so for 30 years.

I have no faith you guys can do a god damned thing.; 1/15/21, 10:46 AM
Butkus51 said...: I wonder who will win Monty Pythons Upper-class Twit of the year?

Nominations?

https://youtu.be/zGxSM5y7Pfs; 1/15/21, 10:50 AM
Qwinn said...: Crack, Farmer speaks for no one other than Farmer. You won't see any other conservative here dismissing what happened to Broderick or a lot of other things you've brought up. I think your 'y'all' is being applied too widely.; 1/15/21, 10:52 AM
mockturtle said...: Farmer asserts: I think one of the interesting differences between Judaism and Christianity is that Judaism is more a religion of practice than belief, while Christianity is more a religion of belief than practice.

Judaism and Christianity are not two separate 'religions' but one is an extension of the other. But, as with so many other subjects, your preponderance of 'knowledge' obscures your understanding of abstract truths.; 1/15/21, 11:00 AM
Iman said...: Cuomo spokesperson Richard Azzopardi told the Daily Mail

Cuomo consigliere?; 1/15/21, 11:55 AM
J. Farmer said...: @The Crack Emcee:

You guys will quarrel over anything - that's why you're politically useless. The Democrats have been running the same game on you, getting better every year, and you see nothing. I've been saying it for over a decade now.

Congratulations, you were only a decade later than me. The biggest difference I can tell is that I believe it's a bipartisan problem.

Juanita Broderick has said she was raped, and MSNBC and Ronin Farrow back her up - she gets nothing from y'all - and has done so for 30 years.

You're all over the fucking map. What exactly is Juanita Broderick supposed to get from us? What is she getting from you? Other than tirades on a blog comment thread.

I have no faith you guys can do a god damned thing.

Not even shouting at strangers on the Internet? That's sure to have the elite shaking in their boots. What's Plan B? A strongly-worded letter?; 1/15/21, 12:14 PM
J. Farmer said...: @mockturtle:

Judaism and Christianity are not two separate 'religions' but one is an extension of the other. But, as with so many other subjects, your preponderance of 'knowledge' obscures your understanding of abstract truths.

And of course it isn't possible that two people could just have different ideas and points of view about a huge subject like theology. Oh no, it must be an opportunity for you to criticize me in some way. Just like Jesus would've done!

Judaism is a separate religion from Christianity. It does not accept the notion that Jesus is Messiah or was resurrected never to die again or changed the original covenant. Perhaps you can explain the abstract truths of the Torah and the Talmud to them. Let them know the last 1500 years of rabbinic Judaism has been a waste of time.; 1/15/21, 12:26 PM
mockturtle said...: ...it must be an opportunity for you to criticize me in some way like Jesus would've done!

Jesus roundly criticized the Pharisees on many occasions. He called them fools, blind guides and vipers. He said, "Ye are of your father the devil". Even so, when Jesus returns, the believing Jews will recognize him as Messiah.; 1/15/21, 1:32 PM
J. Farmer said...: @mockturtle:

Even so, when Jesus returns, the believing Jews will recognize him as Messiah.

I understand that's what you believe, but I am not talking about theology. I was only describing what I considered an interesting distinction between the nature of the two religions. I think in a certain way you can read Christianity as a kind of critique of 1st century Judaism. I think you can see a somewhat similar dynamic between Hinduism and Buddhism, which also share common origins and a lot of vocabulary and practices but in which Buddhism nonetheless develops as a form of critique of Brahmanical practices.; 1/15/21, 3:05 PM
mockturtle said...: Christianity: You either get it or you don't. As I've said before, the consequences of not getting it are dire.; 1/15/21, 4:30 PM
Rusty said...: J. Farmer said...
"I'll give @Crack Emcee one thing. He as at least brought a fresh new strand of bizarre paranoia to the threads."
Sometimes they really are after you.
"I think one of the interesting differences between Judaism and Christianity is that Judaism is more a religion of practice than belief, while Christianity is more a religion of belief than practice."
Which says you really don't know much about either of them.
God is god. Who are you? Or words to that effect. If you're to believe the documentation it was said to some Egyptian geezer or some such.; 1/16/21, 8:16 AM