Althouse: At the Big Snow Café...

December 12, 2020

At the Big Snow Café...

... you can't read the signs...

... so make some footprints.

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narciso said...: https://pjmedia.com/election/jeff-reynolds/2020/12/12/how-nbc-news-helped-the-biden-campaign-ruin-an-innocent-man-and-bury-the-hunter-laptop-story-n1206496; 12/12/20, 8:06 PM
Mark said...: Watching Jacques Pepin and Julia Child. They are making a potato dish. Jacques says that some vegetarians don’t like even milk in their potatoes. Julia says, “We didn’t invite them.”; 12/12/20, 8:06 PM
Stephen said...: As Qwinn pointed out on another thread, there are radical differences in the way folks on this list see the question of fraud in the Presidential election. Before we leave it, here’s an effort at a reframe.

Nonw of ua can be 100 percent sure of anything. for starters. But some views are more reaonable than others.

So I’m now going, for one last time, to make the case that it is reasonable to believe, as I do, that there was nothing even resembling outcome changing fraud in this Presidential election, starting with three sources of information:

1. The first is that the historical probability of outcome determining fraud in even one state, let alone in multiple states is very low. Best evidence for Trump supporters: President Trump’s hand selected fraud commission, which was highly motivated to establish the existence and frequency of such fraud, collapsed because it couldn’t actually do so.

2. The second is that federal and state officials who have access to a lot of relevant information and strong pro-Trump biases that essentially negate any allegation of partiality: all say no fraud. I include in that Trump’s own attorney general, his own Department of Homeland Security, and his strong supporters in state governments and among local election officials.

3. The third is the loss of 50 plus lawsuits—essentially an unbroken string, which was continued today by a Trump appointed federal district judge in Wisconsin. These losses are very compelling evidence of lack of fraud or even illegality, for two reasons. First, because they are presumptively based on the best supported claims of fraud, since those are the ones that the challengers’ lawyers had the motivation and ethical obligation to put forward. Second, because, taken together, the fifty losses represent a highly reliable collective decision. We are talking many judges, in many states, in both federal and state courts, sitting as trial judges and as multi-judge appellate panels, of both parties, and including Trump appointees, all sworn to follow the law and to be neutral. If they all reject the best claims of fraud or illegality as unsupported, that is pretty compelling evidence that there are no claims of fraud out there that should persuade a neutral actor.

But in addition to the failure of proof, consider this: the Democrats put forward their strongest candidate against Trump, the one most feared by Trump, a relative centrist, in a deliberate effort to win votes from the center; we invested a ton of money and effort in voter registration and turnout in the swing states and elsewhere; we outraised Trump down the stretch and our campaign didn’t waste a lot of money unproductively as his did. We also had a lot going for us, including his low approval ratings, and the fact that he had infuriated or alienated many voters, including key suburban voters who were for him in 2016. All the work paid off: we turned out 81 million voters, seven million more voters than Trump did; and in the swing states, we shifted the suburbs of the big cities decisively in our direction, which was fundamentally the difference maker in those states. All that too is evidence that the election was won fair and square.

I think it’s fair to ask conservatives on this list what you would make of charge of fraud by an incumbent Democrat who lost the EC 306-232 and the popular vote by 7 million when that charge had been rejected by a Democratic Justice and Homeland Security Department, a host of Democratic officials in charge of the count, and over 50 court decisions, including two decisions by a Democratic controlled Supreme Court. You’d say it was both nuts and wrong, wouldn’t you? So why isn’t my rejection of Trump’s claim reasonable?

Does that mean that there was no fraud or illegality anywhere, in any of the swing states? Obviously not. But perfection is not the test of any human institution. And a showing of some imperfections that did not affect the outcome is not enough, in any American jurisdiction, to upset the voters’ choice.; 12/12/20, 8:08 PM
David Begley said...: I watched UW law grad Jill Karofsky ask the first questions of Trump lawyer in the hearing today. What a complete and total embarrassment. She alleged that the lawsuit was racist. She then quoted Corey Booker (Clown N,J.) who said, “This is not normal.” WTF?

It wasn’t a legal argument at all.

The next Justice was no better.

Electing judges is a BAD idea.; 12/12/20, 8:14 PM
stevew said...: A lovely couple of photos. It has been warm here the last few days, expected to continue into tomorrow. I look forward to some snow. I love this time of year.; 12/12/20, 8:15 PM
stevew said...: To the Trump voters and the GOP in general: you were out maneuvered and out played; you lost in large measure due to your ineptitude at playing the game. If you will do something about that then do it. Otherwise, quit your frickin' whining.; 12/12/20, 8:18 PM
Narr said...: In 2016 the presidential election was rife with fraud and abuse--everybody said so--and in 2020 they are clean as a hound's tooth, a veritable stupor mundi of civic and political excellence.

Narr
I give the credit to Trump.; 12/12/20, 8:19 PM
Ann Althouse said...: Is the new Sunday crossword absurdly easy? I got my all time fastest time and I wasn’t even trying to go fast ,; 12/12/20, 8:20 PM
Michael K said...: Does that mean that there was no fraud or illegality anywhere, in any of the swing states? Obviously not. But perfection is not the test of any human institution. And a showing of some imperfections that did not affect the outcome is not enough, in any American jurisdiction, to upset the voters’ choice.

Typical Democrat defense. "I was out of town the night of the stabbing and, besides, the sonofabitch came at me with a knife."

The Democrats did a great job rigging this election right from HR-1, Nancy's first order of business in 2018. The Republicans, as usual, and even Trump I think, missed the significance of all this. I will read Kim Strassel's new book the next two weeks. I'll get the audio version and listen driving and sneaking into CA. She makes the point, I think,. that this stuff was not even illegal as the GOP let the Dims change all the election rules.

What happens next depends a bit on what the people running Biden want to do next.; 12/12/20, 8:22 PM
I'm Not Sure said...: "To the Trump voters and the GOP in general: you were out maneuvered and out played; you lost in large measure due to your ineptitude at playing the game."

The game is played by cheating? Interesting.; 12/12/20, 8:23 PM
narciso said...: I think they accomplished through lawfare consent decrees in georgias case, the lesuo compromised kemp duncan and raffenberger.; 12/12/20, 8:27 PM
narciso said...: Mandarin for blackmail, there was an earlier link about brennans tie to the imdb scandal through the obaid brothers; 12/12/20, 8:29 PM
stevew said...: @I'm Not Sure: see Michael K's comment. The law, and rules of the game, were changed to enable the way the vote played out. The GOP either allowed that to happen or participated in making the changes (mail in voting, etc.). There is so far no proof of widespread voting fraud. Lots of allegations, some anecdotal evidence, no proof of illegality.

You can assert and pretend otherwise, but if you don't do something about it then you're just huffing, and puffing, and expressing sour grapes.; 12/12/20, 8:31 PM
narciso said...: That scandal is mentioned here:

https://www.amazon.com/Palace-Simon-Riske-3/dp/0316456012; 12/12/20, 8:32 PM
steve uhr said...: The second biggest lie of the new century - I won
The biggest lie of the new century - its just like the flu.; 12/12/20, 8:33 PM
Narr said...: What, it's Sunday already? I thought we were in the same time zone.

Did I ever mention that I loathe crossword?

Loove the snow pix though. In my boyhood we could count on one good snow every year, and sometimes more. We had one of the best sledding streets around-- we just had to be sure to post somebody at the bottom where it intersected with a bigger and busier cross-street, to signal when it was safe. Even a few short but steep driveways offered excitement, being at right angles to the steep street . . .

Narr
The girls generally went in about then.; 12/12/20, 8:34 PM
Marcus Bressler said...: Another lie today: Charlie Pride, 86, dies of COVID. Sorry, he died WITH COVID, not of it. Another fake COVID death statistic; 12/12/20, 8:35 PM
I'm Not Sure said...: "The law, and rules of the game, were changed to enable the way the vote played out."

The laws were changed to allow observers to be removed form where vote counting was being done? You have a link to confirm that, then?; 12/12/20, 8:36 PM
Marcus Bressler said...: Mark said...
Watching Jacques Pepin and Julia Child. They are making a potato dish. Jacques says that some vegetarians don’t like even milk in their potatoes. Julia says, “We didn’t invite them.”

Saw them together. Pepin made a comment of Child using too much butter (for reasons attributed to health, not taste or recipe). Child's response: "Do you want to die healthy?"

BTW, Pepin just lost his lovely wife. R.I.P.; 12/12/20, 8:37 PM
narciso said...: Theres this thriller devils which has bem airing on the cw, the protagonist is obviously on the author

https://www.kairospartners.com/management/guido-brera-en/?lang=en

They shifted the main setting to goldman like londom back, where his boss seems to involved in practically every major financial scam in the 00s, sadly the book doesnt have an english translation.; 12/12/20, 8:38 PM
Marcus Bressler said...: "Electing judges is a BAD idea."

Electing FEMALE LIBERAL judges is a bad idea.; 12/12/20, 8:38 PM
stevew said...: That proves nothing as regards the vote. It does prove my point that Republicans were out played.

I'm not happy about it. On the contrary, I'm severely disappointed at their incompetence and lack of determination to ensure the vote was fair.; 12/12/20, 8:41 PM
narciso said...: London bank, he is opposed and sometimes collaborates with an organization called subterranea somewhat like wikileaks.
L; 12/12/20, 8:46 PM
stevew said...: If you're interested, made a very nice poached white fish for supper today.

Made an Italian inspired mirepoix, added garlic, shallots, and diced tomatoes. Slow cooked to soften all the vegetables; no browning. Seared the fish (Chilean sea bass) for a couple of minutes on each side in some olive oil with a dash of black pepper, salt, and oregano. Put the fish in the vegetable mixture and cooked, covered, over low-medium heat for about 20 minutes until the fish was flaking. Easy and delicious.; 12/12/20, 8:49 PM
YoungHegelian said...: @Stephen,
President Trump’s hand selected fraud commission, which was highly motivated to establish the existence and frequency of such fraud, collapsed because it couldn’t actually do so.

Uhhh, Stephen, look at the date of this article: 8/3/2018. In other words, we're talking about the 2016 or 2018 election, not the 2020. Whole different ballgame, buddy.

This is why when you go off on a long discourse, it's always good to put links to your sources so we can all check your work. I've got to get prepped for a day tomorrow so i don't know if I can check the rest, but starting off your list with a two year old article isn't a confidence builder.; 12/12/20, 8:49 PM
Rusty said...: Stephen said," So I’m now going, for one last time, to make the case that it is reasonable to believe, as I do, that there was nothing even resembling outcome changing fraud in this Presidential election, starting with three sources of information:"
The statistics say otherwise.
Thank you for your time.; 12/12/20, 8:53 PM
narciso said...: Odd how passive voice works

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/12/12/watch-violence-breaks-out-as-antifa-proud-boys-clash-in-d-c-protest/; 12/12/20, 8:54 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: "I'm not happy about it. On the contrary, I'm severely disappointed at their incompetence and lack of determination to ensure the vote was fair."

Yeah, it's disappointing to lose because the new rule is that we're expected to be able to stop you from massive fraud. But maybe we'll play a new game soon called 350 Million Guns. We'll see if that happens and how well you play that game.; 12/12/20, 8:54 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: boughs bow
flocked arched trellis
printed promenade; 12/12/20, 8:56 PM
narciso said...: Is that why they demanded they destroy all the data very convenient for a party to come along and cherrypick the data.; 12/12/20, 8:56 PM
MartyH said...: FWIW, the Sunday crossword was really easy this week...; 12/12/20, 8:58 PM
John henry said...: Mark,

I am not a fan of cooking shows. Nothing against them, just don't find them or TV interesting in general.

However, I am currently reading a very interesting book on French cooking. Not a big fan. It always seems so pretentious and the portions are so small.

The book is "Dirt" by Bill Burford. He is a NYC writer (currently the new Yorker I think) and foodie. He gets it into his head one day to uproot his wife and 2 small children and move to Lyon. No job, no prospects, no French, not a lot of cooking skills.

Burford comes across as a chuckish sort of person but he is a really good writer. I would not have thought I would enjoy a book about French cooking but I am.

And speaking of cooking books, George orwell wrote a pretty good one, Down and Out in Paris and London. It's a novel but the first half is based on his experiences working in the kitchen of a hoity-toity French restaurant in Paris. In the 20s,I think.

I recommend anything by Orwell, fiction or non. Personal favorite is "coming up for air"

John Henry; 12/12/20, 9:02 PM
Qwinn said...: I'll save you all time reading Stephen's latest:

1) Appeals to authority

2) Appeals to authority

3) An actual argument that explains why the evidence we can see with our own eyes is wr... oh, no, sorry, just more appeals to authority.; 12/12/20, 9:03 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: Nice pictures Ann, but being from MD, even I wouldn't call that a big snow. In the last 10 years I can remember 3 or 4 storms of 2-3 feet. I'll probably never see snow again, and don't really want to, but pictures of it are nice to see just before Christmas.; 12/12/20, 9:05 PM
narciso said...: I read homage to catalonia (his sequel) in part on a friends recommendation and one of stephen hunters pre swagger bookstouches on the same subject matter; 12/12/20, 9:06 PM
DavidUW said...: Took a day trip to Seattle to see friends.
Going to Miami to hang out with the female friend’s family and their Inlaw’s after she gets her ‘Rona shot late next week.

Don’t care about Gavin diktats.; 12/12/20, 9:07 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Anybody wanna help me prevent more genocides? We are going to start by changing grammar rules, over hostile resistance from the entrenched enforcers, that dehumanize individuals by lumping them into theoretical groups that don't actually exist, such as "the LBGT community" or by saying something like "Kenyans think milk is for babies only."

I am planning to start my preparation by finally reading The Kingdom of Language by T. Wolfe.

I am especially hoping RH can help out with the effort, but anyone not overly agitated is welcome to join this quest, and the only authority we will appeal to is Divine.; 12/12/20, 9:07 PM
Qwinn said...: (I particularly like it when Stephen tells us that the authorities he's appealing to have a "strong Pro-Trump bias"... no need for actual historical evidence of support for Trump that extends beyond a politically calculated endorsement during a campaign season... or they have an R after their name... and therefore we absolutely MUST acknowledge their authority.

Those really are my favorite.; 12/12/20, 9:10 PM
narciso said...: A friend who has since passed on, read kingdom he saw it as one of wolfe's weaker works; 12/12/20, 9:13 PM
walter said...: Considering 2,000+ folks stepped forward with affidavits. despite potential blowback, imagine how many saw shit go down but want no attention from the deranged, doxxing and dangerous Left.
Game well played, indeed.; 12/12/20, 9:14 PM
narciso said...: Orwell was a supporter of the republic as was dos passos at one point. But he did not hesitate to state his views of its shortcomings; 12/12/20, 9:20 PM
John henry said...: I don't know that I've seen it here but in the past week I've been seeing the word sedition bandied about. As in people who go to court to contest the election are seditious. One rep even asks pelosi not to seat any republicans who support President Trump in his, completely legal, efforts to contest the election.

This is just bonkers. First of all sedition is not even a crime under federal law.

"Seditious conspiracy" is illegal (18 U.S. Code § 2384) but not sedition. And seditious conspiracy requires the use of force (full text):

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

Some of these folks just don't know any better and needed correction. Others do, or should, know better and they should be mocked and scorned without mercy.

Kind of like the Dicks here and elsewhere who keep saying that PDJT et fails should be arrested and JAILED! without ever stating any potential crime or allowing for any kind of trial.

Shame on all of them

John Henry; 12/12/20, 9:21 PM
narciso said...: The same sort that excuse the lowe-fang spy ring operating in the Democratic Congress on behalf of china, for up to 20 years.; 12/12/20, 9:23 PM
Qwinn said...: Oh, and Steve counts pro-Trump court decisions where the judge said that Trump was likely to win on the merits as a complete rejection of Trump's case because a higher (partisan, conflicted) court overrode them for failing to file in a timely manner. Does that sound honest?

He also counts as Trump losses dozens of cases filed before the election by private citizens that were rejected due to no standing because the election hadn't happened yet.

If you detect from those facts that the partisan judges arbitrarily narrowed the time in which fraud could be litigated to a 3 week window, you win a kewpie doll.; 12/12/20, 9:24 PM
The Gipper Lives said...: Although an idiot, Joe Biden was nonetheless a partner in the unpunished Spy-Gate Coup Attempt. To install him as POTUS, then, would be to ratify the CIA-FBI-DOJ Police State Apparatus as a Permanent Institution of American public life. That simply cannot be allowed. And also because, you know, someone else won. You know the thing.

This was not really an election. It was merely the continuation of that same Coup Attempt under the guise of an election.

Elections are what we do instead of fighting out our policy differences in the streets. If we win, great. If we lose, too bad, try again. But when one side decides to steal an election on this industrial scale, blatantly and in your face, we are no longer morally-obligated to honor that social compact. In fact, we are morally-obligated to resist such an evil Potemkin Election fraud. Even more so when we know Joe Biden is a criminal, a paid employee of China, Inc..

We should keep trying by all available means to stop these political gangsters from overturning the landslide victory the American People gave to President-Elect Trump. But should he see the need to invoke the Insurrection Act or something like it in order to preserve government of, by and for the People and thwart this Constitutional Crime Wave, he will have our full, complete enthusiastic and muscular support. And the gratitude of every patriot who ever lived.

Elections belong to us. Not the Swamp. Not the Big City Machines. Not to Venezuela, China or any other country. Not the Globalists, Soros or Zuckerberg. Not to anyone, anywhere, at any time for any amount of money.

We’re not for sale. You are–but we’re not. Not now and not ever.; 12/12/20, 9:33 PM
Narr said...: The Kingdom of Speech IIRC-- not one of his best, really. Fascinating story, and it's always good to see Prof. Chomsky skewered, but the parallels between Darwin/Wallace and Chomsky/Everett seem a bit forced.

Narr
Rarely overly agitated; 12/12/20, 9:33 PM
mockturtle said...: I like Allen West's idea of a 'union of law-abiding states' to combat the unconstitutional laws passed by the Left. He's not suggesting secession [in spite of what the media are saying], just a coalition.; 12/12/20, 9:40 PM
narciso said...: Both chomsky and darwin advanced their theories less on evidence than viral marketing as one might call it today
See mcalmans darwins armada.; 12/12/20, 9:41 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: @ John Henry

You're being far too polite and accommodating. These people have no shame. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." I take that to mean it's OK to burn their houses down and kill them and their families as they flee. At least that's what their book of rules seems to say lately.; 12/12/20, 9:43 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: from EO 13848
Section 1. (a) Not later than 45 days after the conclusion of a United States election, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies), shall conduct an assessment of any information indicating that a foreign government, or any person acting as an agent of or on behalf of a foreign government, has acted with the intent or purpose of interfering in that election.

if, by the 18th, indications of foreign election interference are discovered,
does this shift to the military?
Fang Fang bang-banged at least 2 midwestern mayors, Fartswell & Feinstein
in FISA crosshairs?
What if Trump declassifies the Humper/Burisma/"Biden Family" shitshow?; 12/12/20, 9:48 PM
I'm Not Sure said...: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

Whatever it takes.; 12/12/20, 9:49 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: "Whatever it takes."

My first little New Year's resolution is to vandalize any car I pass in a parking lot that has a Biden, Hillary, or Obama sticker on it. I don't have to be blatant, just kinda accidentally slam the shopping cart into the door. It's the simple things in life that make it so much fun.; 12/12/20, 9:56 PM
narciso said...: If you throw out the rulebook

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottPresler/status/1337901248851415047; 12/12/20, 9:57 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: Grenell weighs in; 12/12/20, 9:59 PM
Wandering Badger said...: Boycott United Airlines - see the video below where they kicked a family off the plane because a 2 yr old wouldn't wear a mask. And wouldn't give them back their car seat so they couldn't safely leave the airport.

https://thepostmillennial.com/family-kicked-off-flight-after-toddler-refuses-to-wear-mask

Per the State of Colorado COVID website "Children ages 2 and under should NOT wear masks or cloth face coverings." (https://covid19.colorado.gov/mask-guidance).

This is all getting insane. United Airlines should be sued and boycotted.

The banning of indoor dining needs to be revolted against - again per the Colorado State COVID website, only 2.2 % of cases and 0 % of deaths are due to restaurant outbreaks, including fast food joints (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ELmTGWgtj-xPhcTXy-k-526G7l9fC1vs). It's Winter now, so outdoor dining is pretty impractical - why do the politicians want to drive the restaurants out of business ???; 12/12/20, 10:03 PM
John henry said...: Rt1 rebel,

I don't think you would do such a thing on purpose, would you?

Or at least in any manner that they could charge as being on purpose.

I'd hate to see you wind up in some uigher "model city" on some sort of cross cultural exchange.

John Henry; 12/12/20, 10:03 PM
Big Mike said...: @Rt1Rebel, you need to heed Tuco's advice. But be aware that taking a life is a huge step, and once you take it you'll never be the same.

@stevew, I take it you are of the opinion that elections should be contests to see which party can cheat better than the other one. What a novel idea! Here I had been stuck with the notion that the point of an election is for the public to choose the candidate that the majority want to represent them.; 12/12/20, 10:05 PM
Birkel said...: 1. All the key Leftist Collectivist cities say they are going to stop counting ballots at roughly 11pm.
2. None of them quit "counting" putting the lie to #1.
3. All of them experience Biden spikes while nobody is watching.

This, Stephen calls "playing a game" better.
Tell me Stephen, are you paid for this?; 12/12/20, 10:09 PM
Mark said...: Julia Child and Jacques Pepin are/were the opposite of pretentious.; 12/12/20, 10:10 PM
walter said...: Imagine if we can surgically affix masks in utero, pre-abortion.; 12/12/20, 10:12 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: Relax guys, I'm being hyperbolic. But not really.

I don't have any Trump stickers on my car because I know damn well my car would be vandalized. Why should I allow anyone to have a Biden sticker on their car and get away with it?

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."; 12/12/20, 10:13 PM
Achilles said...: Rt1Rebel said...

Relax guys, I'm being hyperbolic. But not really.

I don't have any Trump stickers on my car because I know damn well my car would be vandalized. Why should I allow anyone to have a Biden sticker on their car and get away with it?

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

I think everyone needs to read up on the properties and usefulness of Aluminum Oxide Ceramic.

See also "Ninja Rocks."

Bricks are big and heavy and totally unnecessary.; 12/12/20, 10:19 PM
John henry said...: I don't know who Jaques pepin is I would agree that, based on not a lot of knowledge Julia Child is not pretentious.

I don't know much about French Chefs. I suspect that z lot of them are pretentious.

I was speaking of French food served in high end French restaurants when I said I found the food pretentious.

The kitchens of Lyon as described in Buford's book don't change my mind.

John Henry; 12/12/20, 10:21 PM
John henry said...: French food in particular and French Restaurant experience in general is what I find pretentious

John Henry; 12/12/20, 10:24 PM
Mark said...: Before being a cookbook and cooking technique author, and a big time TV chef, Jacques Pepin was a chef for the hoity-toity Howard Johnson restaurant chain.; 12/12/20, 10:39 PM
Mark Leavy said...: professor Althouse:

“Is the new Sunday crossword absurdly easy? I got my all time fastest time and I wasn’t even trying to go fast ,“

Damn. I thought I was getting smarter.; 12/12/20, 10:42 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: @ Big Mike, that's one of my favorite movies, and apparently one of Quentin Tarantino's. I've read that it influenced much of his direction technique, right down to the music.

@ Achilles, thanks for the tip. So handy and cheap, everyone can have a few ninja rocks in their pocket.; 12/12/20, 10:46 PM
Readering said...: Statistics!!!; 12/12/20, 10:50 PM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: Democrats did everything they could to undermine election integrity:

- Expelled Republican observers from polling places and counting centers.
- Kept them too far away from election workers to actually see what was going on.
- Papered over observing windows.
- Said they quitting for the night at 10:30 p.m., sent everyone home and kept on counting. Posted ~150,000 vote tallies in the early morning hours after they'd "shot down for the night"
Said tallies were 95%+ for China Joe
- In Nevada, sent 60,000 ballots to former state residents.
- Arbitrarily changed election law without the required legislative approvals.
- Signature verification either non existent or used AI systems set for the lowest match level; 12/12/20, 10:56 PM
walter said...: Really should have an Altparse re Standing.
Could buttress with that Elton John video...unless Dylan did a cover..; 12/12/20, 10:56 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: @walter said...
Imagine if we can surgically affix masks in utero, pre-abortion.

How about orange jumpsuits?

Unborn Babies Disguise Selves as Death Row Inmates so Liberals Will Defend Their Right to Live; 12/12/20, 10:57 PM
I'm Not Sure said...: "Democrats did everything they could to undermine election integrity"

And they're proud of it.; 12/12/20, 10:58 PM
PJ said...: Is the new Sunday crossword absurdly easy?

In glorious new era of equality, everyone succeeds at crossword.; 12/12/20, 10:59 PM
stephen cooper said...: The evidence of enough fraud to have changed the results is overwhelming, but our Orwellian media, and several of the low-IQ commenters here, get angry when you say that.

It will be fun to see the lying dementia bully Biden quickly removed from office, if he is inaugurated by theft.

Kamala, who is not a nice person, will not do well with challenges she cannot understand. If, God forbid, she is ever president by theft, her ineptitude will make Gerald Ford look like George Washington in comparison.; 12/12/20, 10:59 PM
Big Mike said...: @Rt1Rebel, so did you ever notice the HUGE anachronism? All the main characters are using cap and ball revolvers (fair enough — it’s set in the US Civil War and that’s what people used) but the one-armed man, Angel Eyes, and Eastwood’s “Man With No Name” are wearing cartridge belts.; 12/12/20, 11:03 PM
walter said...: methinks the constellation of resistance to scrutiny re election integrity (despite thousands of affidavits etc) stems from the protected
"expert class" as Brooksie outlines.; 12/12/20, 11:04 PM
Qwinn said...: The Gipper Lives: Bravo, well said.

Mike of Snoqualmie, thank you for laying it out. And after doing all that brazen crap that could have no purpose but to enable fraud, their attitude is "you can't prove nuthin!"

Which might matter, if they hadn't already weaponized the law into nothing but a partisan hammer that applies only to us and never to them. They maybe should've thought that they'd need the law's protection after committing this fraud, before they went about systematically undermining it. No one ever said they were smart.; 12/12/20, 11:05 PM
I'm Not Sure said...: "If, God forbid, she is ever president by theft, her ineptitude will make Gerald Ford look like George Washington in comparison."

On the plus side, it'll show that women can make it all the way to the top if they're willing to put in the... you know- thing. Just don't think too hard about where her mouth has been.; 12/12/20, 11:06 PM
walter said...: I do encourage Brooks re his implied Flyover Rube re-education tour.
Give me front row.; 12/12/20, 11:07 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: "Democrats did everything they could to undermine election integrity"

So what? The current talking point is that if we wanted to win we should have been better about stopping it or proving it, and that we are bad at playing the game for not being prepared to do that.

I agree with something someone posted here recently. If Reps ever want to win another election, they need to sign on to eliminate the EC in favor of the popular vote. And then have Alaska report results last with 170 Billion votes in favor of the Rep.; 12/12/20, 11:07 PM
Qwinn said...: Well, no one smart ever said they were smart, anyway.; 12/12/20, 11:09 PM
John henry said...: Biden did, Qwinn. Numerous times.

Why in his first year of law school, he was in the top third of his class!

Then he pulled himself together ang graduated in the top half of the class.

Ponder the math on that for a moment.

Did he do better or worse after his first year?

Actually, never mind. He lied about that too. He was 73 out of 85.

Hey,look at the bright side. He wasn't at the very bottom.

But we're the stupid ones?

John Henry; 12/12/20, 11:21 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: @ Big Mike. No I never noticed that, but your post lead me to this from Wiki, so it may not have been that huge of an anachronism.

"The development by Smith & Wesson (among many others) of revolver handguns that used metal cartridges helped establish cartridge firearms as the standard in the US by the late 1860s and early 1870s"; 12/12/20, 11:21 PM
walter said...: It's just sad how Althouse crops to things Biden positive...Joementia might somehow be less boring...big tech erasing commentary a side-show.
It's like there are multiple principled, legal and constitutional concerns just not worth addressing.
But hey..that tik tok!
(Is Meade alive?); 12/12/20, 11:28 PM
sterlingblue said...: It's too bad the Left disappeared Christmas, because a lot of people could use some Christmas cheer in 2020.

At least the Left can't disappear Mother Nature's December snow... yet.; 12/12/20, 11:37 PM
Mutaman said...: "But maybe we'll play a new game soon called 350 Million Guns. We'll see if that happens and how well you play that game."

Hope that works out for you better than the litigation game did Sparky.; 12/12/20, 11:43 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/12/20, 11:49 PM
narciso said...: No we cant have nice things, like christmas we have to settle for festivus pass the pole; 12/12/20, 11:49 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: "Hope that works out for you better than the litigation game did Sparky."

How are you at it? I wouldn't offer to play a game I wasn't good at and not well prepared to play.; 12/12/20, 11:52 PM
Inga said...: I always knew that Trumpists would lose their shit when Trump lost, I just didn’t anticipate how weirdly they’d lose their shit. Loser’s mentally stroking their more violent fantasies in public view, like without an audience it wouldn’t be nearly as titillating. You folks are strange.

And today’s sad rally in DC almost made me cry.; 12/12/20, 11:55 PM
gpm said...: >>Is the new Sunday crossword absurdly easy? I got my all time fastest time and I wasn’t even trying to go fast ,

It was give or take my usual time for a Sunday puzzle. Given the theme, which was up my alley, maybe I should have been faster. I didn't focus on the theme answers too much, but once I got some letters, they fell In place pretty quickly. Not sure why I didn't finish the whole thing faster than usual.

Saturday's puzzle was the worst for me in a while. And Thursday's (on my birthday!) was pretty bad too in relative terms. Maybe the extra year means I'm slipping.

My mother did crosswords into her 90s. I was only there for Christmas, but she would look to me to follow up on her efforts.

--gpm; 12/12/20, 11:57 PM
narciso said...: Is that how they ran elections in titos regime, is that why your parents fled to germany and ultimately to this country?; 12/12/20, 11:58 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: It's too bad the Left disappeared Christmas

they're trying!...but

Donald Trump Declares Christmas Eve Federal Holiday; 12/12/20, 11:59 PM
narciso said...: Perspective

https://mobile.twitter.com/wesbury/status/1337939555018792962; 12/13/20, 12:00 AM
narciso said...: More from berenson

Meantime, Dr. Eric Caumes fears the
@pfizer
vaccine has such serious side effects that only people at extreme risk from #Covid should take it.

Who is this nutty conspiracy theorist ? He’s -

The head of the infectious disease department at the biggest hospital in France.

Oh.; 12/13/20, 12:07 AM
n.n said...: Unborn Babies Disguise Selves as Death Row Inmates so Liberals Will Defend Their Right to Live

Fetal-Americans, but, yeah. Murderers, rapists... rape-rapists, the boys, the girls, all of them. Capital punishment for unwanted babies is too good for them. Abort them and redistribute their colorful, profitable parts, and sequester their carbon ashes.... record it as a carbon offset.; 12/13/20, 12:12 AM
n.n said...: Dr. Eric Caumes fears the
@pfizer
vaccine has such serious side effects that only people at extreme risk from #Covid should take it.

Who is this nutty conspiracy theorist ? He’s -

The head of the infectious disease department at the biggest hospital in France.

An anti-vaxer. Burn him on the barbie, add a baby, and sequester their carbon ashes. Think of the climate cooling... warming... change! Undeniable. Unfalsifiable.; 12/13/20, 12:14 AM
n.n said...: re: climate cooling... warming... change etc.

The polar bear populations are surging and threatening the viability of seals and walruses. Donate to World Walrus Foundation. Oh, and save a bird, a bat, whack a wind turbine. Do it for the kids! Not children. Goats.; 12/13/20, 12:18 AM
narciso said...: More of that civility

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/12/12/watch-antifa-allegedly-stabs-2-trump-supporters-in-washington-d-c/; 12/13/20, 12:18 AM
narciso said...: That makes perfect sense

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1337966276585664513; 12/13/20, 12:28 AM
Mutaman said...: "How are you at it? I wouldn't offer to play a game I wasn't good at and not well prepared to play."

Free advice: learn how to play the game of reading a book.; 12/13/20, 12:31 AM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: ...but then again, there is that

H.R. Giger/"Prometheus"-ish 'nativity' scene at the Vatican

So, what-- if the Grinch cant steal Christmas, he'll just crap it up?; 12/13/20, 12:32 AM
narciso said...: Dalek/cybermen christmas, i think the vatican might need an exorcist father karras maybe.; 12/13/20, 12:37 AM
narciso said...: Justice is sometimes not swift but it does arrive

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/12/12/michael-flynn-delivers-remarks-during-jericho-march-in-washington-dc/; 12/13/20, 12:40 AM
Sara D said...: John Henry said

"However, I am currently reading a very interesting book on French cooking"

Speaking of french cooking,The Alice B. Toklas Cook Book is fun reading

https://www.amazon.com/Alice-B-Toklas-Cook-Book/dp/0061995363; 12/13/20, 1:06 AM
Lawrence Person said...: Colin Furze builds a trebuchet.; 12/13/20, 1:32 AM
Gospace said...: Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...
It's too bad the Left disappeared Christmas

they're trying!...but

Donald Trump Declares Christmas Eve Federal Holiday

Good for me. I work 5 days a week, evening shift, Thursday to Monday. I'll get an extra day of holiday pay. Help pay off the Christmas bills.

Bad for the taxpayers. Which I'm also one of...

For the Federal workers that can take a day off- they probably weren't going to do much work on December 24th anyway.

For the military a good deal. They (those that can) can take a 4 day weekend as liberty, not leave.; 12/13/20, 1:34 AM
gadfly said...: Blogger narciso said...
Justice is sometimes not swift but it does arrive

“President Trump’s decision to pardon Mr. Flynn is a political decision, not a legal one. Because the law recognizes the President’s political power to pardon, the appropriate course is to dismiss this case as moot,” [Judge] Sullivan wrote, adding: “However, the pardon ‘does not, standing alone, render [Mr. Flynn] innocent of the alleged violation.’ ”

"Pardon may rescue him from the penitentiary or a halter, but it
cannot redeem him from the infamy of conviction." ~Ball v. Commonwealth, 8 Leigh 726, 728 (Va. 1837); 12/13/20, 2:38 AM
Clyde said...: Snow job.; 12/13/20, 3:11 AM
Big Mike said...: "The development by Smith & Wesson (among many others) of revolver handguns that used metal cartridges helped establish cartridge firearms as the standard in the US by the late 1860s and early 1870s"

During the Civil War Smith & Wesson sold their Model 1 revolver, a tiny pocket pistol chambered in what today we’d call .22 short. They didn’t produce a revolver chambered in .38 or .44 until the Model 2 pocket pistol (.38) and Model 3 belt pistol (.44) in the 1870s. The culprit was a guy named Rollin White, who had patented the concept of a cylinder bored all the way through and therefore capable of firing metallic cartridges. S &W licensed his patent, and I believe it was an exclusive license. Consequently Colt and Remington made and sold larger caliber revolvers in .36 (Navy Colt) and .44 (Remington and Colt Army models) as technologically backward cap and ball revolvers. In 1873 White’s patent expired and President Grant personally directed the US Patent Office not to renew it. In 1873 Colt came out with the gun chambered in .45 long Colt that was eventually called the Peacemaker but back then was the Army model.

Fun fact: There is reason to believe Wyatt Earp was carrying a nickel-plated Smith & Wesson Model 3 st the O.K. corral and not a Colt Peacemaker as depicted my Kurt Russell and Kevin Costner.

Another fun fact: Mark Twain famously wrote of the Model 1 in his book, Roughing It: “I was armed to the teeth with a pitiful little Smith & Wesson's seven-shooter, which carried a ball like a homeopathic pill, and it took the whole seven to make a dose for an adult; 12/13/20, 3:12 AM
rhhardin said...: "Patriarchal authoritarianism provides the firm slap of authority when it is needed. The point is to maintain order. Once it is applied, that’s it. The feminine version has no point other than to inflict endless torment in an effort to gain attention. Of course, it never ends. The ruling class is now a needy girlfriend with a personality disorder, demanding we drop everything to hear about her day."

article on fascism that's badly written but had a nice paragraph.; 12/13/20, 3:19 AM
rcommal said...: As for me, having buried so many over my lifetime, I both miss all of them and have learned from them all.

As for rhhardin, the best thing to do is to recognize him for that which he is, which I did 15 years ago. So be it. So it goes. Ignore him.; 12/13/20, 3:28 AM
Narayanan said...: - Expelled Republican observers from polling places and counting centers.
------------==============
How was this even possible without any bodily harm to R observers? was there not a single knowledgeable person among them?; 12/13/20, 4:09 AM
gadfly said...: Blogger narciso said...
https://pjmedia.com/election/jeff-reynolds/2020/12/12/how-nbc-news-helped-the-biden-campaign-ruin-an-innocent-man-and-bury-the-hunter-laptop-story-n1206496

But is Hunter Biden the presidential offspring we really need to worry about? How about those two grifters-in-chief, Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner? Hunter Biden is no Boy Scout; that's been well-documented. But he had no official role in his father's campaign, He will not join his father's administration in any capacity. Ivanka and Jared, on the other hand, work in the White House - in violation of the 1967 anti-nepotism act!

Last week, Ivanka sat for a five-hour deposition with the Washington, D.C., Attorney General's Office as part of an ongoing investigation into spending by the Trump 2017 Inaugural Committee. One issue is whether the Trump family, including Ivanka, gouged the Inaugural Committee by substantially overcharging them for use of the Trump Hotel in Washington.

One specific point of inquiry: The rental of a ballroom for an inaugural party. According to legal filings, the committee was charged $175,000 (“a fair market rate . . ."??) even though . . . a non-inaugural group was charged just $5,000 to use for an event earlier that day.

Lets talk about Jared's poorly run real estate business which invested big bucks in 666 Fifth Avenue. The property that would have been worth more if it were bare land, was facing a $1.4 billion payment - when out of the blue a Kushner 666 bailout was announced in May 2018. Around the same time, reports emerged of a series of suspicious meetings with Qatari officials in Trump Tower in Dec. 2016. Connecting the "Number of the Beast" 99 year rental paid upfront by Brookfield Properties, using Qatari government funds, was easy-peasy.

If you’re in a rage about Hunter Biden but willing to give Ivanka and Jared a pass, your partisanship is preventing you from seeing the forest for the trees. Nothing more to see here except perhaps the goings-on surrounding Don Jr and Eric.; 12/13/20, 4:09 AM
rcommal said...: Btw, in our household, we have lots of guns and ammo and guitars and strings and basses and strings. Just for starters.

Also, enough food for bunches of months.

Just sayin'.; 12/13/20, 4:14 AM
rcommal said...: Disgusting, what the majority of you have been doing, for years and years and years and years.; 12/13/20, 4:34 AM
Mr. Forward said...: “ He will not join his father's administration in any capacity”

So who’s the new bag man?; 12/13/20, 5:12 AM
Breezy said...: Best evidence for Trump supporters: President Trump’s hand selected fraud commission, which was highly motivated to establish the existence and frequency of such fraud, collapsed because it couldn’t actually do so.

I recall this work failed due to many States being unwilling to hand over the data. It’s not clear they even have accurate records. Many States don’t purge voter rolls regularly, for instance.

Our elections are rife with fraud in general. This is the first time we know where, at the presidential election level, several hundred people in a handful of states decided they get hundreds or thousands of votes each, while the rest of us get one. This ballot stuffing altered the outcome.

So no, not “Best evidence for Trump supporters”.; 12/13/20, 5:24 AM
stevew said...: "I take it you are of the opinion that elections should be contests to see which party can cheat better than the other one. "

Not at all, I didn't say that. What I said is that the Democrats set this up by changing the rules by, among other things, hugely increasing the ability to vote by mail. I believe they then stuffed the ballot box in four important places and hid this from election officials (many of whom were participating) and observers. The Republicans knew, or should have known, what the Democrats were planning and ultimately did. They did nothing to stop it and then when it came time to call the Democrats out they bumbled that too. Statistics aren't proof in a legal proceeding. The Republicans offered no proof because they were asleep at the switch and so don't have any.

For all those here boasting about guns and uprising and rebellion: let us know when you actually do something other than bluster about on your keyboard.; 12/13/20, 5:33 AM
rehajm said...: I'm stepping away- thanks y'all. I'm done tuning in for parsing the words of a corrupt media.

For those trying good luck to lending an air of legitimacy to the new government. You've got your work cut out...; 12/13/20, 5:45 AM
rehajm said...: Govern like you stole it Susan...; 12/13/20, 5:46 AM
Gahrie said...: He will not join his father's administration in any capacity”

He wasn't part of the Obama administration either. That didn't stop Hunter from accepting bribes on his father's behalf.; 12/13/20, 6:01 AM
J. Farmer said...: One of my naïve fantasies is that the "far" left and "far" right will cooperate on areas of mutual interest and concern (e.g. disdain for the elites, critiques of liberal capitalism, skepticism towards mass immigration, opposition to global militarism, and cynicism regarding corporate wokeness). As I've mentioned many times, my second choice after Trump has always been Bernie Sanders. Trump himself identified Sanders as the Democrat he least wanted to run against.

Elitism is sometimes defined as the rule of an organized minority over a disorganized majority. Trumpism has the potential to overcome old partisan divides. Two recent examples:

Sens. Bernie Sanders and Josh Hawley team up in push for second $1,200 stimulus checks

Tulsi Gabbard introduces bill that ties Title IX protections for female athletes to 'biological sex'

This is exactly the kind of culturally right and economically left direction the GOP must move in.; 12/13/20, 6:01 AM
steve uhr said...: I hear you Rehajm. Don’t want to listen to persuasive opposing views. When the going gets tough, the tough pull the covers over their head.; 12/13/20, 6:08 AM
tim maguire said...: One of my naïve fantasies is that the "far" left and "far" right will cooperate on areas of mutual interest and concern (e.g. disdain for the elites, critiques of liberal capitalism, skepticism towards mass immigration, opposition to global militarism, and cynicism regarding corporate wokeness).

That doesn’t sound like far right and left, it sounds like the middle—the large majority of people whose interests were ignored pre-Trump.

I agree about Trump/Sanders. In 2016, I argued online and off that Sanders was the Dem’s best bet to beat Trump because there was so much overlap in their bases. Sanders could have split the protest vote. Instead, by nominating Hillary!, they ceded the protest vote to the Republicans.; 12/13/20, 6:16 AM
Humperdink said...: In NASCAR the phrase has always been: "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin". However, once you are caught, NASCAR brings the hammer down.

In election circles, even if caught, you get the trophy.; 12/13/20, 6:19 AM
Rajat Tyagi said...: Thats really cool, I mean really awesome and cool.cettest; 12/13/20, 6:49 AM
Humperdink said...: Phoned a take out order into Bob Evans restaurant last night. Gov Wolf (D-Lockdown) shut down indoor dining effective Saturday morning. When I arrived at 6PM, I was the only customer in the entire place. There was only one employee visible, the guy handing the order over to me. Presumably there was a cook out back. That was it, the three of us. I mumbled something about Wolf. The guy growled.

Bob Evans still has to pay for heat, electric, real estate taxes, maintenance. How long can this last?; 12/13/20, 6:50 AM
BUMBLE BEE said...: So the expectation of a fair election result was not met. Moral high ground retained by RNC. A lesson once more. When infanticide is the core value of an organization, expect that Mengele is calling the plays.; 12/13/20, 6:55 AM
iowan2 said...: gadfly, I went to your link for some granular legal analysis...in Vogue...
Yep, Vogue.
Anyway, this is a very old story, RUSSIA!!!!! LOOK OVER HERE!!! please?

A short story devoid of facts. An investigation into something that happened 47 month ago?

Innuendo about business deals? Concerning business the Jared and Ivanka have been involved in for decades. Business people doing business, is EXACTLY like the Biden grifters involved in deals they have Zero training, experience, education, or interest in before in their lives.

Exactly the same

LOOK! OVER! HERE!

(forty seven months ago? really?); 12/13/20, 6:59 AM
Political Junkie said...: Very nice.; 12/13/20, 7:04 AM
Jersey Fled said...: Estimated US hospital utilization per HHS.

You can drill down to see state data.

https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-capacity

Keep in mind that hospitals typically run at 70 to 80 percent capacity for economic reasons.; 12/13/20, 7:06 AM
Doug said...: Blogger narciso said...
A friend who has since passed on, read kingdom he saw it as one of wolfe's weaker works

Opinions are like arseholes ... everybody's got one. Wolfe is a genius and Kingdom of Speech is magnificent.; 12/13/20, 7:16 AM
alan markus said...: Where is the Crack Emcee when I need him most? Would be interesting to see his take on this.

I can see the humor of Biden's dogs treating a Trump doll as a chew toy. Lord knows, I have had scary moments with my dogs and my daughter's stuffed toys. She is long past stuffed toys, but recently her favorite childhood stuffed bunny fell off of a shelf and into the jaws of our recently acquired Australian Shepherd. I did not know my old body could still move so fast as I rescued the toy from instant mutilation.

And not to diss German Shepherds - I grew up with several of them that relatives and neighbors had.

One comment I read was "Oh great, a Nazi dog in the White House". That got me to wondering what that will symbolize to Blacks, as German Shepherds are the breed of choice for law enforcement. Again, no knock on German Shepherds as a breed.

The Role 'Vicious Dogs' Play in Police Brutality Against Black People; 12/13/20, 7:47 AM
MalaiseLongue said...: @stevew: "There is so far no proof of widespread voting fraud."

Straw man. Fraud need not be widespread. All that's required is targeted fraud in a few places in a few swing states.

@gadfly: You're a fucking moron.; 12/13/20, 7:49 AM
wildswan said...: Two movies I really enjoyed recently: The Magnificent Seven and Key Largo. It was interesting to re-hear the peasants in The Magnificent Seven arguing about whether they should put up with the bandits - "They always leave us some." I loved that. And what a great scene where the Seven really shoot down the bandits and the peasants join in. God, how I hated the bandit chief as he swaggered about boasting about his cleverness in being a thief, and stealing what others worked for. Good to see him shot, too. And his accomplices, beaten to death with sickles and shovels and stools when the peasants finally got up the nerve to act with the Seven. So great. Well, Hollywood is the dream factory, isn't it?
But Key Largo was good too, which was a surprise. Its theme - a takeover of hotel by a gangster making a comeback bid - seemed irrelevant last time. Now it was strangely interesting. That's because I always like Bogart and Bacall, that's why, and here they were, young and strong, young and beautiful. Though time's gone by.; 12/13/20, 7:58 AM
Paco Wové said...: Stephen wrote:

(a lot of words)

I don't remember Stephen working so hard to convince the lefties and Dems denouncing the 2016 election as "illegitimate" of their error, but it could just be faulty memory.

Slightly off the topic, but I'll just note that Stephen seems to have no idea of the vast reservoir of animosity that has been built up by the past four years of lefty/Dem antics. I don't think you can dissipate it with a little sweet talk.; 12/13/20, 8:07 AM
gilbar said...: @stevew: "There is so far no proof of widespread voting fraud."

stevew's RIGHT in the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of US counties, there was NO fraud...
of course, President Trump WON the overwhelming majority of US counties
There Also didn't seem to be Much fraud in states that Biden won overwhelmingly, either!

It's ALMOST AS IF, there was Only fraud; in a few key counties, in a few key states
Thanx stevew, for admitting that there WAS fraud, and that it DID sway the election; 12/13/20, 8:16 AM
Fernandinande said...: npr had some public health ladies, perhaps from England, who claimed that schools need to be teach people to think for themselves so the people will obey public health ladies without arguing.; 12/13/20, 8:22 AM
J. Farmer said...: I am planning to start my preparation by finally reading The Kingdom of Language by T. Wolfe.

I'm a fan of Wolfe's work, but The Kingdom of Speech was a very peculiar endeavor. His personal animosity towards Darwin and Chomsky are evident, and Wolfe is clearly aiming to take them down a peg or two. Unfortunately, he attempts to demolish ideas that he himself only has a very superficial understanding of. In my opinion, Wolfe failed to make any substantial critique of Darwin or Chomsky. But in a way, Darwin and Chomsky aren't even his real targets. Rather, it's their rather often snooty acolytes in academia that really inspires Wolfe's vitriol.; 12/13/20, 8:27 AM
Qwinn said...: Anybody see the insane level of cheering and support Trump got at the Army Navy game?

I think the military just gave Trump a massive signal. Do what you have to, Mr. President, we're with you.

After all, their votes, being necessarily mail in, were stolen more than anyone.; 12/13/20, 8:28 AM
steve uhr said...: Quinn:

Members of the military cheer for Trump = The are willing and able to violate their oath and participate in an armed insurrection to keep Trump in the White House at all costs now that all legal efforts to overturn the official election results have failed.

In your dreams ...; 12/13/20, 8:39 AM
Rusty said...: steve uhr said...
"I hear you Rehajm. Don’t want to listen to persuasive opposing views."
You have yet to make any. Persuasive or otherwise. What is most revealing is your lack of knowledge of your country's history.; 12/13/20, 8:44 AM
Qwinn said...: Steve uhr:

They would be fulfilling their oaths, to defend against enemies foreign and domestic. To NOT back Trump on this would be neglecting their oaths.

Plus, for 38 more days, he is their Commander in Chief. They would be absolutely correct to flow his orders. To not do so would be violation of their oaths.

As usual, you are pushing the 100% polar opposite of reality.

Maybe you shouldn't have stolen their votes.; 12/13/20, 8:44 AM
Qwinn said...: It's also cute how Steve uhr seems to think that if Trump were to invoke the Insurrection. Act, that that would itself be an insurrection.; 12/13/20, 8:48 AM
Qwinn said...: "now that all legal efforts to overturn"

By this, Steve doesn't really mean "lawful". What he means is "by lawyers".

The Democrat Party is a lawyers guild. I've pointed out before that virtually every candidate they run for national office is a lawyer, for decades. One profession in control of all 3 branches of government.

The American people never agreed to yield their sovereignty to lawyers. In this conflict, they've proven tbemselves to be completely unconcerned with truth or justice, only power.

Get ready for the correction.; 12/13/20, 8:53 AM
steve uhr said...: They swore an oath to the constitution, not to Trump.

Just curious - what is the specific executive order you expect Trump to be issuing in the next 38 days that will accomplish what you want?

I doubt you will answer that question since it will show your ignorance, instability, and stupidity.; 12/13/20, 9:01 AM
steve uhr said...: Now Quinn doesn't want the people of this country to be able to vote for whoever they want. Only those who are approved by Quinn can run for office. Iran might be your kind of place.; 12/13/20, 9:06 AM
mockturtle said...: Rhhardin, the excerpt you posted @3:19AM contains so much fundamental truth and daunting impending impact it should be viral-ized. I know I'll be sharing it. Thank you.; 12/13/20, 9:06 AM
Qwinn said...: "They swore an oath to the constitution, not to Trump."

And whose orders does the Constitution say they must follow for the next 38 days?

1) Their Commander in Chief, which would be Trump?

2) A bunch of corrupt partisan hack judges who overturn every positive court decision for Trump and whitewash the fact that the military's votes were brazenly stolen?

I know you want it to be #2.

You're wrong.; 12/13/20, 9:15 AM
J. Farmer said...: I think the military just gave Trump a massive signal. Do what you have to, Mr. President, we're with you.

Oh brother. We're moving from hysterical and overwrought to frenzied and deranged.

If the Trump loyalists cannot move on from Trump, they're going to drag the whole GOP down with them. The white working class is already a smaller share of the population than it has ever been, and this group has seen an erosion of their economic position and a decline in their life expectancy.; 12/13/20, 9:21 AM
Qwinn said...: "If the Trump loyalists cannot move on from Trump, they're going to drag the whole GOP down with them"

What makes you think we're not perfectly okay with that?

The vast majority of the GOP was an active participant in the steal. They've been completely infiltrated. Why would you doubt it? What mechanism exists to prevent such infiltration? Why would you expect the Left to be unable to infiltrate the GOP any less thoroughly than they infiltrated Hollywood, or the education establishment, or the DOJ, or the FBI?

Bring down the whole GOP? Feature, not bug.; 12/13/20, 9:25 AM
Francisco D said...: John henry said...The book is "Dirt" by Bill Burford. He is a NYC writer (currently the new Yorker I think) and foodie. He gets it into his head one day to uproot his wife and 2 small children and move to Lyon. And speaking of cooking books, George orwell wrote a pretty good one, Down and Out in Paris and London.

Burford's book sounds like Peter Mayle's books which are a lot of fun.

I used to drive 3-4 hours to consult with business clients and get audio books from the library to pass the time. Down and Out in Paris and London was the absolute best and funniest audiobook ever. I never realized that Orwell has a great sense of humor. Anyone who has ever waited tables should love the book.; 12/13/20, 9:26 AM
steve uhr said...: "A bunch of corrupt partisan hack judges who overturn every positive court decision for Trump and whitewash the fact that the military's votes were brazenly stolen?"

Sure, Like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Barrett and Thomas and Alito and the many Trump appointed district court and circuit court judges?

Still waiting for the Quinn drafted executive order for our troops.

Still waiting for a link to admissible evidence of the 900 military absentee ballots in Fulton County all going for Biden.; 12/13/20, 9:29 AM
Qwinn said...: The number of national GOP elected officials that would be worth reelecting number less than a dozen, I'd say. Cruz, Johnson, Cotton, a handful of others.

The rest are globalist uniparty tools, in on the grift.

Oh no! We might drag the GOP down with us! That would be a crying shame.

Or a good start.; 12/13/20, 9:29 AM
Qwinn said...: "Still waiting for the Quinn drafted executive order for our troops. "

Trump's authority as Commander in Chief does not require nor reside in executive orders.; 12/13/20, 9:31 AM
Qwinn said...: And his authority as Commander in Chief is not subject to judicial review (which, we know, is exactly why you want to pretend it would require an executive order).; 12/13/20, 9:32 AM
steve uhr said...: "Trump's authority as Commander in Chief does not require nor reside in executive orders."

I see, the order to the military will be given through osmosis.

Don't play linguistic games. The order from the President, whatever you want to call it. What do you want it to say Quinn?; 12/13/20, 9:36 AM
steve uhr said...: "And his authority as Commander in Chief is not subject to judicial review (which, we know, is exactly why you want to pretend it would require an executive order)."

Of course his authority as Commander in Chief is subject to judicial review. What planet do you live on again?; 12/13/20, 9:38 AM
Qwinn said...: "Linguistic games", heh.

You're trying to frame his authority as subject to judicial review. It is not. Nothing "linguistic" about that... you're trying to twist the Constitution to give the judiciary power over the military.

Tell me, if Trump goes to a roomful of troops and says "I've invoked the Insurrection Act. Arrest this list of people. Start military tribunals", are the troops required to check with a judge to make sure he has authority to give those orders?; 12/13/20, 9:41 AM
Qwinn said...: "Of course his authority as Commander in Chief is subject to judicial review. What planet do you live on again?"

The planet where the Founding Fathers did not empower judges as absolute tyrants.; 12/13/20, 9:42 AM
Readering said...: Why do the loons congregate around AA's blog?; 12/13/20, 9:44 AM
Qwinn said...: Commander in Chief
Article II, Section 2, Clause 1

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States....

The Commander in Chief Clause assures that there can be no military force beyond the president’s control. The military cannot be made an independent force (thus guaranteeing civilian authority over it), and it cannot be made to report to an entity other than the president (such as Congress, as under the Articles of Confederation).; 12/13/20, 9:46 AM
steve uhr said...: I have to go to my anti-Christian services but one final thought.

If God forbid you are successful in your civil war, you will be so incredibly incompetent at running this country that you will ensure democratic presidents for decades if not centuries to come. Assuming in your wisdom you permit fair elections where people can vote for the candidate of their choice. A big IF I admit.; 12/13/20, 9:48 AM
Qwinn said...: "Assuming in your wisdom you permit fair elections"

Fair elections aren't permitted now. The point of any civil war would be to restore them.; 12/13/20, 9:50 AM
Qwinn said...: On the question of Trump's authority over the military, utterly and completely unencumbered by judicial review, I accept your complete surrender.; 12/13/20, 9:52 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Qwinn:

Bring down the whole GOP? Feature, not bug.

Bring it down is one thing. Replacing it with something viable is quite another. If you wish to mount any kind of political pushback to the globalist agenda, you're going to need to operate within a political party. The GOP needs to be realigned, but that can't happen if it remains factionalized over Trump.; 12/13/20, 9:52 AM
mockturtle said...: J Farmer, do you live in a cocoon? Do you ever get outside of it?; 12/13/20, 10:00 AM
Qwinn said...: Farmer:

First things first. A restoration of voter integrity measures and the validity of the vote is the first order of business. If the current GOP is willing to participate in that, then maybe they can survive as a party. If not, then we deal with it after we restore secure voting without them, by any means necessary.

We can worry about which parties to run once fair elections are secured. Before that, the issue isn't just moot, it's nothing but a con.; 12/13/20, 10:00 AM
mockturtle said...: Farmer warns: If the Trump loyalists cannot move on from Trump, they're going to drag the whole GOP down with them.

Fuck the GOP! It's America we're trying to save.; 12/13/20, 10:01 AM
mockturtle said...: Readering asks: Why do the loons congregate around AA's blog?

I don't know. Why do you?; 12/13/20, 10:03 AM
Michael K said...: Blogger mockturtle said...
I like Allen West's idea of a 'union of law-abiding states' to combat the unconstitutional laws passed by the Left. He's not suggesting secession [in spite of what the media are saying], just a coalition.

That would be my preferred course if the left rule becomes intolerable.

Here is a nice analysis of the legal part of the election.

There were two elections, you know. One was in the inner city in five states.

The other, legal one ?

Eighty-five percent of counties with a Whole Foods store voted for Joe Biden. That factoid, relayed by The Cook Political Report’s David Wasserman, tells you something important about the election — and about today’s Democratic Party.

Whole Foods is also the indicator of the anti-Vaxx movement. Clusters of kids who have never been immunized against childhood diseases, as we used to call them, are found by looking for Whole Foods store locations.; 12/13/20, 10:06 AM
Qwinn said...: "That would be my preferred course if the left rule becomes intolerable."

If?

Ask every restaurant owner, chef, waiter, sports stadium owner, movie theater operator, small business owner, etc. etc. ad nauseaum if left rule is currently tolerable.; 12/13/20, 10:10 AM
Qwinn said...: Oh, and the nursing home residents who had COVID patients planted next to them by Democrat governors in order to drive the death numbers up to justify more than "two weeks to flatten the curve" could not be reached for comment about whether left rule was still tolerable.; 12/13/20, 10:11 AM
Michael K said...: The GOP needs to be realigned, but that can't happen if it remains factionalized over Trump.

So, the 3% who are anti-Trump will kick out the 97%? Good analysis.

What needs to happen, if the country we know is to survive, is something like the Tea Party but better organized. The Trump campaign was recording the info on the thousands attending the rallies. Even those who could not get in were interviewed.

The issue is professional politicians. Democrats live for politics, or at least the power it gives them. I saw this in local and state politics in CA. I spent ten years on the medical association's legislative commission. I probably know the CMA reps who were at Newsom's French Laundry shakedown. I found that Democrats (who we usually found more competent) were better informed on issues. We usually worked with Democrats although much has changed in the 30 years since I was involved.

The Tea Party found every man's hand was against them in DC. Just like Trump. He needs to create an organization to support the Tea Party types. Will he do it ? I hope so.; 12/13/20, 10:16 AM
Michael K said...: Ask every restaurant owner, chef, waiter, sports stadium owner, movie theater operator, small business owner, etc. etc. ad nauseaum if left rule is currently tolerable.

That was to win the election. Now they have to govern. I expect Obama III in policy but they Deep State might lose control to the crazies.; 12/13/20, 10:18 AM
Freder Frederson said...: On the question of Trump's authority over the military, utterly and completely unencumbered by judicial review, I accept your complete surrender.

You are so full of shit. The military oath is to the Constitution, not the president. Military personnel are prohibited from carrying out illegal orders (which arresting a bunch of civilians on the orders of the president would certainly be).

The interesting question is whether or not Trump is subject to the jurisdiction of the UCMJ when he is acting as commander in chief.; 12/13/20, 10:20 AM
hstad said...: Blogger J. Farmer said...
@Qwinn: "...The GOP needs to be realigned, but that can't happen if it remains factionalized over Trump..."? 12/13/20, 9:52 AM

Interesting comment and opinion? But no facts. How many in the GOP are factionalized? I think one blogger stated 97% for Trump and 3% for Never-Trumpers. If that is true you need to provide opposing evidence or STFU with your silly views.; 12/13/20, 10:30 AM
John henry said...: Steve,

Would the executive order issued in September 2018 meet your request?

Or perhaps the eo of may 2017?

John Henry; 12/13/20, 10:34 AM
n.n said...: A snow den. No relation to Snowden. 'tis the season!; 12/13/20, 10:40 AM
Gahrie said...: You are so full of shit. The military oath is to the Constitution, not the president

The oath is:I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

This says that if the military thinks that enemies of our Constitution have stolen this election, they have the duty to oppose them. The best definition I have ever heard of the progressives is "enemy to the Constitution".; 12/13/20, 10:53 AM
John henry said...: Freder Frederson said...

Military personnel are prohibited from carrying out illegal orders (which arresting a bunch of civilians on the orders of the president would certainly be)

Agree with you up to that last line.

Why would arresting civilians "certainly be" illegal?

I can certainly think of instances where it would be. But I can also think of instances where it would unquestionably be not only legal but proper.

As for carrying out an illegal order, there are some that are clearly legal and others that are clearly illegal.

But there are a lot of potential orders on which the country in general and congress and the courts might be divided. This puts the troop on the ground in a very difficult position.

Killing civilians on the ground woul clearly be an illegal order. What about the b-17 pilots of ww2. Would they have been right to refuse to bomb berlin? Were those orders, approved by the entire govt of the US "illegal"?

Weren't you a Marine, Freder? You probably sat through lectures on legal and illegal orders. I did and often came out more confused than when I went in.

Not about my duty not to obey an illegal order. My confusion was about what made an order illegal.

Thanks for pointing out that the oath is to defend the constitution, not the people, not any politician, not a king/queen but the constitution.

Too many people lose sight of that.

John Henry; 12/13/20, 10:55 AM
John henry said...: And a bit more on Freder point:

The president and the military swear an party to defend the constitution against "all enemies foreign AND domestic"

If (play along for a moment) the election was stolen, by the Chinese (foreign) or Americans (domestic) doesn't that make them "enemies"?

Doesn't that trigger the oath to defend?

So would an order for the military tou round up the offenders be an illegal order?

Assuming that martial law or whatever is needed to get around posse comitatus and the like was invoked. And all other legal bases tagged.

John Henry; 12/13/20, 11:05 AM
Narr said...: Prez subject to UCMJ?

No.

Narr
You're welcome; 12/13/20, 11:14 AM
Qwinn said...: "Thanks for pointing out that the oath is to defend the constitution, not the people, not any politician, not a king/queen but the constitution."

The respect and following Trump gets is not because he's a king or queen or a subject of a "cult" or adoration or anything else (and I find that smear to be utterly silly). It's precisely because he's practically the only person in sight actually obeying their oath and defending the Constitution.

Clearly, many (not all) judges who have *no interest* in honestly and thoroughly evaluating whether or not this country's election system has been undermined by foreign and/or domestic enemies at the demand of half the country's population have completely and totally abdicated their oaths, and deserve the proper consequences.; 12/13/20, 11:18 AM
Achilles said...: Gahrie said...

You are so full of shit. The military oath is to the Constitution, not the president

The oath is:I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

This says that if the military thinks that enemies of our Constitution have stolen this election, they have the duty to oppose them. The best definition I have ever heard of the progressives is "enemy to the Constitution".

They are sometimes friends of the Constitution when it is useful to them though.

They are more Enemies of Freedom. They are consistent about their opposition to freedom.; 12/13/20, 11:19 AM
J. Farmer said...: @mockturtle:

J Farmer, do you live in a cocoon? Do you ever get outside of it?

Ugh. Does every god damned discussion around here always have to devolve into this personal shit? How about if we just talk about the idea instead of what character flaw you think the idea reveals about me? These threads are infested with unhinged tribal partisanship, and I am the one you accuse of being in a cocoon?

For what it's worth, I'm pretty much the opposite of cocooned. I'm mainly interested in engaging with people who disagree with me, and I find being around a bunch of people who agree with me boring.; 12/13/20, 11:32 AM
mockturtle said...: Farmer: But do you engage with society in real life or just in debates online? Do you really know what's going on out here?; 12/13/20, 11:34 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Michael:

So, the 3% who are anti-Trump will kick out the 97%? Good analysis.

It isn't about being pro-Trump or anti-Trump. It's about what the post-Trump Republican Party looks like and how it can best challenge the neoliberal consensus.; 12/13/20, 11:39 AM
Michael K said...: It isn't about being pro-Trump or anti-Trump. It's about what the post-Trump Republican Party looks like and how it can best challenge the neoliberal consensus.

Your Trump hostility blinds you to the fact that the GOP is now the party of Trump if he wants it. There will be no "post Trump" party unless he wants it that way. The Trump haters who claimed to be GOP, like Chuck, mostly voted for Joe and the Ho.

This is the Tea Party reborn. There is no alternative unless you speak Mandarin or are a senior Democrat open to bribes (as all are).; 12/13/20, 11:43 AM
Qwinn said...: The most heartening thing I saw in DC yesterday was that the crowds (of tens of thousands, easily, filling the streets all the way from Freedom Plaza to the capitol and quite a few more between the capitol and the supreme court) were by no means older, which I was afraid I'd see. A *lot* of younger people were there, including plenty of children.

And you know what other crowd was young, and clearly siding with the President?

Everyone at the Army Navy game.

Which is what started this whole conversation - me pointing out the massive support Trump was shown at the Army Navy game.

All *our* conversations about whether or not the military is ready to support whatever Constitutional means their Commander in Chief does to stop this coup is besides the point. They made *their* position quite clear at the game, that his authority over *them* to engage their aid in stopping the coup is something they (correctly) consider Constitutional. And that's all that matters.; 12/13/20, 11:44 AM
Michael K said...: Weren't you a Marine, Freder? You probably sat through lectures on legal and illegal orders. I did and often came out more confused than when I went in.

No, Freder is a Field Marshal, not a rank in the Marines. Howard has claimed to have been a Marine and he is a bit more sane than Freder so it might be true.; 12/13/20, 11:46 AM
Stephen said...: Qwinn,

Your suggestion that I've engaged in the logical fallacy of appeal to authority is wrong.

Let's start with the fact that neither you nor I have personal knowledge of facts sufficient to decide the question of whether there was result changing fraud in any state, let alone in multiple states. For example, the Georgia counting videa we've all viewed proves nothing without other testimony to put it in context and allow us to interpret it.

So we have to rely on the reports of others, about what they saw or what it means.

What I am pointing to is facts: (a) the fact that result changing fraud is so rare that Trump's vote fraud commission failed for lack of an actual subject matter; (b) the fact that people like Bill Barr, Chris Krebs and a bunch of other Trumpists with actual legal responsiblity for the count or for policing fraud have said there was no fraud, and (c) the fact that challenges to the elections have failed in over 50 lawsuits, while not one law suit has succeeded in establishing any fraud, let alone outcome determinng fraud.

It is true that to assess the import of those facts I have to make assumptions: (a) that these facts reflect the actions of people who have more expertise and or information than I do, (b) that they are competent and and not biased against Trump, etc. So what? That's how we all go about assessing this kind of public situation.

If you really want to persuade me, or anyone with even marginally different views, you'll tell me why I am wrong to put weight on these facts.

And you'll explain to me why the facts that you are relying upon, almost all of which undoubtedly involve reports or interpretations by people you've never met, are more worthy of credit that the ones on which I rely.

I repeat my suggested thought experiment: how would you respond if a Democratic President, the loser in the EC by the same margin that Trump won by in 2016, the loser in the popular vote by 7 million, kept claiming fraud even though a Democratic AG and Department of Homeland Security said no, even though the Democratic officials in charge of the relevant state processes said no, and after 50 lawsuits had failed, including two before a Democratic controlled Supreme Court.; 12/13/20, 11:51 AM
J. Farmer said...: @mockturtle:

Farmer: But do you engage with society in real life or just in debates online? Do you really know what's going on out here.

Between my personal and professional life, I have regular contact with the underclass, the working class, the professional class, academics, law enforcement, corrections, healthcare professionals, and social work. I've been a small business owner for almost 20 years and work regularly with local and state government, the court system, and a variety of private clients. We're also involved in about half a dozen community outreach programs. I spent three years in my 20s working with an anti-human trafficking NGO in the so called Golden Triangle region, the confluence of Thailand, Burma, and Laos.

That said, I don't have the first fucking idea where "out here" is.; 12/13/20, 11:52 AM
Big Mike said...: For all those here boasting about guns and uprising and rebellion: let us know when you actually do something other than bluster about on your keyboard.

Between people like you and Stephen and Inga and Howard and Chuck taunting better people than any of you ever will be, I’m starting to think it really will happen. Scares crap out of me. But if it does happen, the only way you won’t know it is if you’re one of the first targets.; 12/13/20, 11:52 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Michael K:

Your Trump hostility blinds you to the fact that the GOP is now the party of Trump if he wants it. There will be no "post Trump" party unless he wants it that way.

I'm well aware. That's precisely the outcome I'm warning about. If the GOP takes its cues from Trump, it's finished.; 12/13/20, 11:57 AM
Qwinn said...: "Let's start with the fact that neither you nor I have personal knowledge of facts sufficient to decide the question of whether there was result changing fraud in any state, let alone in multiple states."

Any significant fraud at all, anywhere, engaged in by election officials (such as captured on film in Georgia) under illegally modified election rules preventing an honest audit of the vote is disqualifying.

If you cheat on a test, you don't get to keep the score from that portion of the answers you didn't cheat on.

You get expelled.

It is you and your side, whom engaged in the fraud, that are creating this fictitious requirement that the *discoverable* fraud must be enough to change the results.

That every single last fraudulent vote must be independently found and provable in a court of law, or else it stands.

That's a very convenient position for those engaging in the fraud, and who eliminated the practical possibility of auditing the vote, and whose clear primary purpose in all of this is to run out the clock to prevent such evidence from being acquired.

We reject your self-serving burden of proof. Doctrine of spoilation, bitch. You can't prove the vote was legitimate, and you want to make yourself arbiters of what counts as "good enough".

Denied.

"neither you nor I have personal knowledge of facts sufficient to decide the question of whether there was result changing fraud in any state"

I have personal knowledge that fraudulent activity (illegally excluding me from observing the count) took place in the district in which I was a poll watcher.

YOU are the one who has no personal knowledge of anything, yet you are clearly completely certain of what happened, including insisting that what happened to me didn't happen at all.

No amount of gaslighting is going to make you win this conflict. We're all on to you.

Your suggestion that I've engaged in the logical fallacy of appeal to authority is wrong.

And then 8 paragraphs devoted to why accepting the claimed authority is the proper thing to do.

and after 50 lawsuits had failed, including two before a Democratic controlled Supreme Court.

Aha... now from "50 courts rejected Trump's claims" to "50 lawsuits had failed". Again, no recognition of the courts that said Trump was likely to win on the merits, who were overruled by the PA Supreme Court that actively illegally modified election law to enable fraud.

You are dishonest to the core. I only bother to responding to you in case your bullshit sounds reasonable to other people who have been unable to hear the truth due to wholesale censorship by Big Tech, the media, and the allies of the fraud.; 12/13/20, 12:06 PM
Qwinn said...: And yet again, despite repeatedly being called on it, counting among that 50 dozens of lawsuits brought by private citizens before the election who were trying to prevent an unauditable vote from happening who were denied standing.

You are liars.

You're not going to get away with it.; 12/13/20, 12:15 PM
Qwinn said...: And you'll explain to me why the facts that you are relying upon, almost all of which undoubtedly involve reports or interpretations by people you've never met, are more worthy of credit that the ones on which I rely.

Over a thousand affidavits from people filing them under penalty of perjury in an openly hostile court system. Every last one of those people knows it's likely that if the fraud goes through, that they will be imprisoned for opposing it.

None of the people you're trying to lend authority to have filed an affidavit or otherwise put anything personal on the line in order to back up their cause. In fact, we know for absolute fact that some of them (like the PA Supreme Court) have active personal interest and conflicts in judging in Trump's favor - to do so would be to incriminate themselves.

Hell, the entire Russian Collusion hoax didn't produce a single notarized affidavit in four years, and yet look at all the weight given to those spurious claims.

We're on to you.

This will not stand. By any means necessary.

No justice, no peace.; 12/13/20, 12:22 PM
Readering said...: Imprisoned!!!; 12/13/20, 12:26 PM