November 16, 2020

"Why did the Democrats win the Presidential vote but do so poorly in everything further down on the ballot -- Senate, House, and state-level races?"

"There are a lot of theories: a) Republicans liked Republicanism, and conservatism, even Trumpism, but they didn't like Trump! b) Swing voters liked Biden but were turned off by left wing Democratic themes — "defund the police,” Medicare for All, cutting edge progressivism on gender dysphoria in 8-year olds, etc. c) Voters in general wanted Congress to be a check on a Democratic executive. All plausible. But what if the explanation is something simpler and less profound -- mechanical even? The essential idea was proposed by veteran campaign reporter Walter Shapiro. It’s based on the idea of 'roll off,' the tendency of some voters to vote for candidates at the top of the ticket while leaving the nether regions of the ballot blank.... If this is true, what more explanation do you need? Dems simply made a strategic mistake: They pushed early, mail-in and absentee voting, which may have won them the presidential election but which also brought them a bunch of voters who, in their rush to rid America of Trump, left the other parts of the ballot untouched...."

154 comments:

gilbar said...

d) the vote frauders were SO LAZY, that they only marked
X JOE BIDEN
on the fraudulent ballots, and left the rest blank
do NOT worry! They won't make this mistake again

gilbar said...

serious question
how MANY ballots were there in Wisconsin, with JUST Jo Biden marked?
how many times does this 'usually' happen?

MeatPopscicle1234 said...

FRAUD!!!

DanTheMan said...

Its all about throughput.... making up 100K fake ballots takes time. Longer if you have to make it look like a real ballot.

DanTheMan said...

>>how MANY ballots were there in Wisconsin, with JUST Jo Biden marked?

And how many were there with just Trump marked and no other candidate?

Joe Smith said...

I would like to see an analysis of the number (percentage) of votes left blank down-ballot this year vs four years ago.

It seems odd that so many newly-registered voters (if the numbers are correct and the voters aren't dead) would vote for Biden for president but forget to vote for a D senator.

So how many Biden ballots left otherwise blank vs Trump ballots?

I also don't buy the 'Americans like divided government' nonsense.

When we are voting, WE DON"T KNOW that one party will control the executive and another the legislative (or in this case, the senate).

Gusty Winds said...

Because they cheated in the Presidential race. That's why. Biden received a huge amount of "Biden" only votes with nothing else down ticket.

Trump is the 3rd Party candidate the establishment wants to get rid of.

Does anyone really think somebody is going to vote for the GOP Senators that won, and the House seats that flipped and then check Joe Biden? Come on

n.n said...

making up 100K fake ballots takes time. Longer if you have to make it look like a real ballot.

At least 30 minutes to fill in every circle, including reviewing judges, and constitutional amendments.

n.n said...

And how many were there with just Trump marked and no other candidate?

That's an important metric, not subject to perception, interpretation, misinterpretation, easily assessed, in at least this aspect of the irregularity claim.

Bob Boyd said...

They stole the coat, but not the tails.

My conspiracy theory is Republicans made a deal with Dems before the election that they wouldn't push investigating the fraud that rid them of Trump and would help cover it up if Dems promised not to cheat on down ballot races.

doctrev said...

Allow me to forestall the inevitable "if they had time to prepare, why not forge the ballots for downticket races?"

If a ballot doesn't have a straight-ticket option, the easiest way to forge it is simply record the vote for Biden and leave the rest blank. Sure, they could forge for downticket races, and I have no doubt they did so with the electronic machines, but for manual systems this isn't tenable. They only had so much time to forge ballots, and the number of people trusted with the actual forging would be very small. If any one person is kidnapped extra-judicially, that's the entire scheme blown.

Plus, of course, the fraud is being focused on in six cities. Doubtless after Trump wins re-election via the SC he'll pay attention to the other cities as well, assuming BLM doesn't set them on fire. But that will have advantages too.

mandrewa said...

It doesn't make any sense.

People who fill out mail-in ballots have more time, not less. If you come to a question or a person you know nothing about -- and I think that's a common experience when voting in person -- you can stop and look it up on the internet.

You can take days to fill out a mail-in ballot.

I think vote fraud is what explains this pattern. Trump won way more votes than they expected. Democrats in the swing states were desperately filling out blank ballots after the close of the polls, using names taken from the voting roles of people who had not voted. Many of them would have been fearful that at any moment that they might be caught in the act.

Gusty Winds said...

Mickey Kaus has TDS schizophrenia. He wants border, border, border....and when it wasn't done fast via executive order an military, he goes turncoat. Same with Ann Coulter. Mike Chernovich too. They need to stay relevant with someone.

All his A) B) C) theories are garbage. He is just looking for cover and clicks in case Biden actually takes office. What is amazing is the amount of well known Bloggers looking for post Trump survival already capitulating to massive fraud they either a) know exists but are afraid to publish or link for fear of being blacklisted b) refuse to investigate non-propaganda sources so they can shelter in place. and c) they are waiting for others to uncover an undeniable bombshell that they can link in the "mainstream".

Todd said...

"Why did the Democrats win the Presidential vote but do so poorly in everything further down on the ballot -- Senate, House, and state-level races?"

Occam's razor: Hasty fraud. They needed to get the Biden bubbles filled in and not enough time to do the rest.

I know, I know. My profile is now on a list and when the "adult fun camps" are setup, I will be "allowed" to go for a few years, until I have learned my lesson.

MikeR said...

Seems like they're combining two very different scenarios:
1) roll-off, where voters skip some down-ticket items that they don't care about. They say more than 10% of voters do that. Well, I do that, in every election. Bond measures I don't recognize, judges.
2) voters who voted for Joe Biden and nothing else. How common is that? No idea. I don't believe for a minute that a lot of voters do that, in any election. I never have come anywhere close to doing it. If it's true that it happens a lot, I'd like to see evidence.

Dave Begley said...

NE#2, where I live, Biden won and the the GOP House Member won. One EC vote.

Pretty obvious here. Suburban women don't like Trump's personality and manner. The House Member is all smiles and bipartisan. And his opponent was a Bernie fan.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Or...Democrats stole the president cots but were too pressed for gums to mark any race below the top ticket.

Mr. O. Possum said...

Fraud.

As Todd said above, it's Occam's Razor in action.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

WTF happened there?

Mark said...

WI Republicans just dropped their lawsuit.

When people drop their lawsuits days before it gets heard, you know they are doing so in order to avoid having their ass handed to them.

Sorry to disappoint, gilbar.

Dude1394 said...

FRAUD

Chuck said...

Where is the evidence that Democrats got killed in down-ballot races?

Yes, Democrats seem to have lost about seven House seats. Going back to Occam's Razor, the simple explanation is that in 2018, Democrats won more than their share of swing districts, and 2020 was something of a reversion to the mean. Along with that big turnout of Trump fanatics that did not appear in the 2018 midterms. In the 2022 midterms, with several states newly drawing House district lines by commissions, I fully expect a tilt toward moderate Democrats.

In Senate races, the Dems held every seat that may have been in doubt for them. Including a big win for Gary Peters in Michigan over Trump's anointed black Republican, John James. Dems lost Alabama (naturally, no surpise), and they also lost Maine, which was a disappointment but only because of the high profile that The Lincoln Project put on it. Susan Collins was a determined incumbent who is a well-liked candidate in her state. The fact that she was weak on Trump was a national kerfuffle, not a Maine thing. Republicans lost Senate races in Colorado and Arizona. This was a big win election for them?!? They got stuck with runoffs in Georgia. GEORGIA! And THAT is a win?!?

Every metric that I am seeing, every exit polling crosstab that I know of, points to an urban black turnout that was more or less equal for Biden as was the case for Hillary, but the big shift was educated suburban white voters turning hard against Trump.

As commenter n.n writes, one of the easiest things to do in reviewing votes -- much easier than exit polling -- is to look at undervotes. Were undervotes really more prevalent in 2020? I don't know; but I haven't heard that count anywhere yet.

Ken B said...

Easier surely to mark the whole ballot at home than standing in a booth?

Achilles said...

You can think and think and think.

But only one theory matches the provided facts. Let’s list everything out:

1. Trump got more votes in a normal distribution matching past results than any person in history.

2. Trump was leading by wide margins at 3am.

3. Biden underperformed hillary’s totals in every major city except for 6.

4. Judges in key states relaxed requirements for and all normal fraud control measures.

5. Poll observers were driven out and kept from observing ballot counting in all of the places where Joe Biden received insanely high turnout and vote margins.

6. The software controlling voting machines was designed specifically to give control of counting to governments that used it and was used in other countries to manipulate elections.

You can spin like a top all you want Ann. We won’t accept it and the coming lawless is going to fall on everyone.

When it comes you can blame the people fighting for everyone’s freedom or you can blame the people who set up a clearly flawed system.

Either way buckle up.

Achilles said...

mandrewa said...
It doesn't make any sense.

People who fill out mail-in ballots have more time, not less. If you come to a question or a person you know nothing about -- and I think that's a common experience when voting in person -- you can stop and look it up on the internet.


Those ballots were not filled out before November 3rd is the obvious point here for retards like mark and Chuck.

Michael K said...

.n said...
And how many were there with just Trump marked and no other candidate?

That's an important metric, not subject to perception, interpretation, misinterpretation, easily assessed, in at least this aspect of the irregularity claim.


I have read that Biden only, maybe in Michigan, was thousands of votes. Trump only was 900.

Renee said...

Family is culturally Democrat that live off MSM media. They're happy Biden won, but just as happy there are more Republicans in Congress. I live in a blue state, so no GOP opposition in most races. So it's not like they can vote split ticket, either. Where are the voting districts that went to Biden, but voted Republican for congress? It seems many of the 'bellweather' districts all went for Trump, and Biden's bumps were very focused on a few geographical locations.

rehajm said...

WI Republicans just dropped their lawsuit.

Why did GOP drop their lawsuit in WI? There are a lot of theories: a) they don't have a case b) they have other, stronger cases pending c) they did the electoral math and believe flipping WI isn't necessary for victory

MadTownGuy said...

gilbar said...
"serious question
how MANY ballots were there in Wisconsin, with JUST Jo Biden marked?
how many times does this 'usually' happen?
"

Flashback to Wisconsin in 2018 -

how MANY ballots were there in Wisconsin, with JUST Evers and Kaul marked?

More to the point: was 2018 a test run for 2020?

Leland said...

Where is the evidence that Democrats got killed in down-ballot races?

Shorter chuck: I'm ignorant and let me tell you what that means.

I do find it interesting that mail in ballots that arrived on time have a normal statistical distribution of Dem/Rep and single issue/multi issue votes, while those that arrived on election day or later are 90% Biden only ballots. But real science and math is hard, which is why Journalist with a Bachelor of Arts prefer to just censor those who bring it up.

Renee said...

Is there a difference between the GOP filing a lawsuit compared to Trump himself filing the lawsuit? It seems only the President himself has standing, because he is the one directly affected by the lost.

rehajm said...

d) Republicans feel no urgency to keep Biden out of office since Biden's own advisors are doing the work for them...

Biden COVID Advisor: Those Older Than 75 Should Get Vaccines Last

Reminder: Joe Biden will be 78 in a few days...

Gusty Winds said...

Kaus is a moron:

1)The most plausible occurrence would be Trump voters that don’t like ANY member of the establishment Democrat or Republican Parties, and voted Donald Trump only; and that would seem constant with the limited number of Trump only votes. Biden got a massive amount.

2)The most plausible and probable explanation, besides Kaus’ empty mind reading would be the obvious coordinated fraud.

brylun said...

As a long-time student of elections, there are a couple of things that should be considered:
1. "The top of the ticket brings out the vote"; and
2. It is very common for the offices lower down on the ballot to have fewer votes than the candidate at the top of the ticket: this is called "fall-off."



pacwest said...

Republicans liked Republicanism, and conservatism, even Trumpism, but they didn't like Trump!

My immediate reaction was that moderate Republicans and Democrats intense dislike for Trump could explain the results, but the evidence of election fraud is just too strong to stay with that conclusion. And yes Virginia, there is a difference between evidence and proof. Evidence first, proof second. I think that all Trump needs is time, which is in short supply.

Gusty Winds said...

Blogger MadTownGuy said...

"Flashback to Wisconsin in 2018 - how MANY ballots were there in Wisconsin, with JUST Evers and Kaul marked? More to the point: was 2018 a test run for 2020?"

Absolutely it was a test run, or in its own right just another way for Dane and Milwaukee Counties to screw the rest of Wisconsin. The John Doe investigation proved they would go to ANY fraudulent lengths to protect their pensions.

wendybar said...

Because they cheated...and only had the President picked out in the fake ballots they snuck in.....MOST people vote the WHOLE ballot. CHeaters Don't.

Howard said...

Althouse's playing with you people today. Please continue to get your freak on. It's rather amusing.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The ballot infusion at the end was all desperate Bdien cheat voting.

Empty ballots without actual ownership. No linkage. The cheat machine is up and running.

readering said...

Trump rejects premise of observation:

“One thing has become clear these last few days, I am the American People’s ALL-TIME favorite President.”

AA might say this is part of Trump's stand-up routine. Psychiatrists have different explanation.

Howard said...

Keep it up Bleached Bit Cracker from Myrtle Beach. Comedy Gold. Who said women can't be funny?

CWJ said...

Please! Citing "roll off" is pretty pathetic if not desperate. Theses aren't page two dogcatchers or shall Judge Jones be retained. These are the races listed immediately after the POTUS race. Dems sure tucker out easily. How did they manage to complete the rest of the process?

narciso said...

it's the hanging or dimpled chad effect, as we observed in florida in 2000

effinayright said...

Chuck said...

I'm not aware of a single court action in which pro-Trump lawyers or interest groups are contending that the undervotes of 2020 represent any sort of fraud.
****************

and I'm not aware of any butt-hurt Dem House and Senate members contending that the lack of down-ballot votes for them represents any sort of GOP fraud.

What's yer point?

Inga said...

Martians, it was the Martians.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Ballots submitted without ownership.

We need a one-ballot/ one-vote per person system. The democrats are wholly against it.

MadisonMan said...

Flashback to Wisconsin in 2018 - how MANY ballots were there in Wisconsin, with JUST Evers and Kaul marked? More to the point: was 2018 a test run for 2020?"
I never vote in uncontested elections. Not worth my time. I think I voted in 3 races this past election (plus the school referenda that passed, unfortunately).

Chennaul said...

Eh, I can see this roll off theory working in Shapiro’s time—but for a mail in ballot that is lying around for weeks?

I do know of someone that went to Early Voting and voted for Biden at the top but all females down ballot. So there is some talk that Republicans ran a lot of female candidates down ballot....white female is the largest voting demographic out there.

MacMacConnell said...

Let's get this straight, Trump was at 50% approval on election day. On election day 56% of Americans thought they were better off than four years ago. On election day Biden under performed the 2016 Hillary Clinton except in four notoriously corrupt cities controlled by Dem machines.

Chennaul said...

making up 100K fake ballots takes time. Longer if you have to make it look like a real ballot.

At least 30 minutes to fill in every circle, including reviewing judges, and constitutional amendments.


................

Well you could add to this hypothesis that it isolates Trump and therefore no other candidate down ballot asking for a recount or investigation would be motivated to find a problem with the vote that hurt Trump.

I'm Full of Soup said...

This is how Viktoria Hallikaar who works for liberal media at CBS21 in Harrisburg, PA reports today re PA election:

"Trump is currently behind Biden by tens of thousands of votes in Pennsylvania."

I think the actual difference is 69,000 votes which is 1% of total votes counted so it's pretty misleading to say "tens of thousands".

OSU '92 said...

Chuck - Biden is on track to win 14 Million votes more than Hillary Clinton and 10 Million more votes than peak Obama in 2008. I would buy your suburban white vote theory if Biden took those votes from Trump, but he did not. Exit polling shows less than 5% of voters changed from Trump to Biden plus Trump won several million more votes than 2016.

These are not vote switchers (white suburban Moms per the MSM), they are 14 Million NEW Biden voters who also voted Republican down ballot (or left it blank).

Dude1394 said...

I can understand people voting Biden and then the rest of their ballot republican/democrat or mixed. What I can not agree with is that enough thousands of ballots showed up at closed down counting centers with ONLY Biden on it. That is complete a cutter bullshit and fraud.

That can not stand..

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Russians... it was the Russians..
Or is Chi Com Maddow off that now?

Clyde said...

This has probably already been said (haven't read the comments yet), but it's pretty obvious: The Democrats were shocked on election night to learn that they hadn't cheated ENOUGH, and had to manufacture a lot of ballots on the fly at the last minute. No time for them to do anything but mark Biden and move on to the next fraudulent ballot. If you compare the ratio of "Biden only" ballots to "Trump only" ballots (there were a few), you would no doubt find that the difference is several orders of magnitude. If there was no fraud, you'd expect to see roughly the same number of that type of ballot for both candidates. That's not the case. That right there is prima facie evidence of likely fraud.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

How about:

d) They could cheat at the national level or at the state level, but not at both. They opted for the national level.

and

e) They didn't have enough of a state-wide party machine to pull off cheating in the senate or congressional district races, but could pull off cheating in major urban areas.

Stoutcat said...

When in doubt, ask the experts.

From Larry Correia's blog:
"One quick question, only answer if you have worked in auditing/stats/fraud/investigations/or other data analysis type fields. In your entire career, have you ever seen a case that threw up this many flags that DID NOT turn out to be fraud?"

Overwhelming answer: NO.

Paul said...

Hey Ann, how about the Democrats stuffed the ballot boxes in just a few states to flip the presidential election??

Nah, Dims would never do that, right Ann?

Nonapod said...

Besides the obvious answers... there must have been some fairly large hypothetical group of voters who voted for (R) candidates down ballot but voted for Biden at the top. If these people exist, which if the results of this election are to be believed, I'd be curious to know their reasoning... assuming they have any. These are people who must have mistrusted or disliked the (D) candidates and trusted/liked their (R) counterparts. They must have generally liked (R) policies. The same policies that almost assuredly align with Trump? Yet they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump... because he's so bad or something? I just don't understand.

Did they vote the way they voted because of Covid? I'd like to know.

Chennaul said...

It has only been eight business days since Election Day, the media and others after decades of casting doubt on elections and the Impeachment of Trump do not deserve power if they are going to spaz out like this and declare the sky is falling after only eight days of being able to remedy and validate the vote via—the law.

Here is Ron Klain, Biden’s new chief of staff that called people racist for wanting to shutdown travel from China and advised people to go to Chinatown because business was hurting here he is calling elections rigged:



Vox
@voxdotcom
·
Jul 14, 2014
68% of Americans think elections are rigged.

68% of Americans think elections are rigged
They're kind of right.
vox.com


Ronald Klain

@RonaldKlain
·
Jul 14, 2014
.
@voxdotcom
That's because they are.

https://twitter.com/ronaldklain/status/488885766001410048?lang=en

(Good hire there Joe.)

Paul said...

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

"d) They could cheat at the national level or at the state level, but not at both. They opted for the national level.

and

e) They didn't have enough of a state-wide party machine to pull off cheating in the senate or congressional district races, but could pull off cheating in major urban areas."

Not yet anyway... but they are working on it. They go for low hanging fruit first.

Chris of Rights said...

There are significant problems with all three theories.
a) Trump received 93% of the Republican vote, up from 90% in 2016. So, it's not a.
b) Trump did much better than Biden in the swing states, with the exception of a few very heavily Democrat areas. So, seems unlikely that these people would have voted for Republicans in significant numbers at any ballot level. So, it's not b.
c) Again, where Biden overperformed was in a few very heavily Democrat areas. These people would not be looking for a check on the Democrat executive either. So, it's not c.

More and more, the answer appears to be "fraud".

Rabel said...

The theory Mickey is pushing says that an enormous number of people voted only for Biden because they voted only for Biden.

There's a name for that.

ALP said...

Interesting theory. I, for one, skip any vote related to children/minors. In WA I had the chance to vote on some sex ed thing. Meh - I am too out of the loop with regards to anything having to do with kids - I'll let the parents of the state weigh in.

DavidUW said...

D) Fraud.

OSU '92 said...

Chuck - Also, the white suburban vote switch does not comport with the fact Biden lost 18/19 bell weather counties who have predicted the winner of the Election since 1980. See Wall Street Journal analysis.

These bell weather counties are precisely that because voters switch back and forth between the winning candidates (suburban white voters).

The thing it none of these theories seem to jibe with the actual results.

Jupiter said...

"Swing voters liked Biden"

Oh, right. The irresistible charisma. Hunter has it too.

Mike Sylwester said...

Chennaul at 1:59 PM
Well you could add to this hypothesis that it isolates Trump and therefore no other candidate down ballot asking for a recount or investigation would be motivated to find a problem with the vote that hurt Trump.

That's an interesting explanation.

doctrev said...

Chris of Rights said...

b) Trump did much better than Biden in the swing states, with the exception of a few very heavily Democrat areas. So, seems unlikely that these people would have voted for Republicans in significant numbers at any ballot level. So, it's not b.

11/16/20, 2:11 PM

It's not like Texas lacks heavily Democratic areas. Or Florida, for that matter. Both states have Republican governors: and mysteriously both states were much redder than the polls anticipated.

In fact, the only contested state with a Republican governor is Georgia: and Sidney Powell is implying a lot about that. If the Dems had been satisfied with regular fraud and lost, they would have risked a lot less. Biden (and Obama) are desperately trying to tie the entire security apparatus to their party, so that if one collapses the whole ball of wax will follow.

Actually, I'm surprised Obama is backing this play at all. When President Trump exposes all of this, his victories will suddenly be in doubt even when no one had cause to doubt them before. I honestly don't think the President would have had him arrested, just out of respect for the office. Of course, now President Trump pretty much has to destroy all of his opponents. He's crossed the Rubicon.

OldManRick said...

A simple proposition.

Compare the lack of down ballot voting to other states and precincts not controlled by Democrats (with many other issues like expelling republican poll watches, high mail in from dead voters, registration higher than population and the other things republicans complain about). If it was a nation-wide and state-wide phenomena, I'll let this massive discrepancy pass. If it only occurred in Democratically controlled urban areas in swing states, it's pretty obvious that something was amiss and those saying there's no problem need to fess up to likely massive fraud.

sterlingblue said...

Lots of excellent questions raised in this thread. It's a damn shame that "journalists" are too biased to even attempt to provide this information to the public.

I don't want to believe there was fraud. I want to believe that America has free and fair elections. But the way this is being handled by our media leaves me no choice but to believe that our democracy is over.

Yancey Ward said...

People are both overthinking, and underthinking this.

(1) The fraud occurred in the big cities and the collar counties, most of which already have safe Democrat seats in the House. The Republicans only picked up such swing state seats in Florida- no other seats of this kind were picked up anywhere else in a swing state.

(2) There were no Senate races in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. In Georgia, Perdue didn't even reach 50%, and will lose in January.

I think the claim that the Democrats didn't fill out the entire fraud ballot is largely false- they would have only done this sort of thing in haste on election night if they thought they were going to fail othewise. It would interesting to tally exactly how many ballots in different jurisdictions only voted for Biden vs how many only voted for Trump. Any discrepancy outside of two or three to one would be strong evidence of open fraud. I suspect that in the close swing states in this election, the numbers are probably 100 to 1 or more, but this is the sort of investigation that requires a court order. There is plenty of evidence that we can see that Democrats did a lot more of this Biden only voting, and I don't think it is because they don't care about the rest of the races.

The Republicans look sure to pick up 11 seats, while they could pick up another two on top of that. Democrats aren't going to have more than 7 to 8 seat margin in the House. The real danger for Republicans is losing the Georgia seats which I think is all but certain at this point given the supine nature of the Georgia GOP.

Bill said...

There use to be a time when teacher, professor and reporter were respected jobs.

Marcus Bressler said...

Kaus writes about "the nether regions of the ballot" .... tries to be cute and hip but fails miserably at it.

THEOLDMAN

mccullough said...

Haven’t seen the data on it yet, but it’s useful to look at the cumulative House vote across all 435 districts and compare the total Dem House votes and total GOP House votes and vote totals for all third parties.

One of the interesting data points in this election is that the percentage of total third-parties’ votes dropped from 6% in 2016 to under 2% this year. So about 8 million people voted third party in 2016 and 3 million voted third party in 2020.





I'm Full of Soup said...

I've lived in southeastern PA all my life and did not expect Trump to come close due to crazed pussy hat wearing people who have never gotten over him beating Hildebeast in 2016. That Trump almost won even after the Dems kept the Green Party off the ballot and pushed universal mail-in voting to maximize Dem fraud opportunities is amazing to me.

The fraudulently ballots, IMHO, gave Biden the victory. I wonder if the perps will ever tell the true story of their election heist or will they they take it to their graves like the Kennedy Assassins did.

I'm Full of Soup said...

McCullough - re my comment above, PA shoved the Green Party off the ballot and WISC did too. That would reduce the 3rd party choices of course. In 2016, Green Party votes in PA and, I believe, in Wisc, exceeded the votes Trump is short in those states in 2020. Some coincidence huh!

Readering said...

So Trumpist organization True the vote has moved to voluntarily dismiss federal cases it filed in 4 close states. Clearing the decks for the Kraken, i guess.

rcocean said...

why did the R's do better than trump? Fraud. There were almost 450,000 fake ballots that just had Biden's name on them. And no other votes.

Further, Trump did extremely well in states he won. And the R's didn't do badly in the Swing states that were stolen from him. Note: that the 2 Georgia R Senators did NOT win a majority and were forced into a run off. And the R Senate candidate in arz lost, and that the R senate candidate in michagan ALMSOT won.

In any case, its absurd to talk about the 2020 POTUS election without talking about Fraud. Trump won the legal votes. Whether he can overcome the Democrat's corruption is to be determined.

Yancey Ward said...

Wayne County 2020 Biden 587K, Trump 264.
Wayne County 2016 Clinton 519K, Trump 229K.

I can do this all day, Chuck- if you are going to use data, Chuck, don't do it selectively. I can do it for Oakland County, Macomb County, Wastenaw County, etc. The same pattern holds in all the swing states, but nowhere else.

mccullough said...

Perdue got about 1,000 more votes than Trump in Georgia.

Trump ran ahead of McSally in Georgia, James in Michigan, Ernst in Iowa, and Tillis in North Carolina.

Gardner ran ahead of Trump in Colorado and Collins ran ahead of Trump in Maine.



mccullough said...

Cornyn ran ahead of Trump in Texas.

elkh1 said...

Simple, there was not enough time to fill in more than one bubble when you were in a hurry to make up hundreds of thousands of votes post election day.

mccullough said...

The suburbs have about 55% of the population of the US. Cities have about 31%, and rural about 14%.

BUMBLE BEE said...

2016 - ELECTIONS HACKED!!! Russian's hacked it for their enemy... TRUMP. 2020 NO WAY - elections are NOT hackable! Schizoid... See why dem's kids need Fentanyl? Trolls here are big on it!

Yancey Ward said...

You can get sort of a picture by looking at the states with Senate races- compare swing states to non-swing states. The total votes for President vs Senate race in Iowa, for example, was only 18K+, but in Michigan it was 68K+, however, Michigan also had about 3 times as many votes total, so not a large discrepancy at all in my opinion; and I wouldn't expect it either- the Democrats wanted to win the Senate races. In other words, I stand by my comment- the fraud was the saturating the field with a mass excess of mailed ballots, collecting them up, filling them out, and sending them back, combined with a complete ignoring of the security features of the mail in vote. That is the fraud that Trump has to uncover, but it can't be done without a court order recanvassing the mail in votes. We know it is fraud because in the swing states and in particular jurisdictions, the rejection rate fell to practically zero for all intents and purposes.

Kate said...

It was Gen Z voting for the first time. They hate Trump. They aren't involved or informed enough about any down ticket campaigns, so they left those blank. Voting against Trump, though, was a life-or-death moment for them. They're also the ones wanting covid lockdowns even though their risk is minimal. Everything is catastrophic in their world.

Or it was fraud.

Chuck said...

Blogger Yancey Ward said...
Wayne County 2020 Biden 587K, Trump 264.
Wayne County 2016 Clinton 519K, Trump 229K.

I can do this all day, Chuck- if you are going to use data, Chuck, don't do it selectively. I can do it for Oakland County, Macomb County, Wastenaw County, etc. The same pattern


You’re proving my point.

Biden won Michigan by winning big in the suburbs. Not with thousands of unexplainable votes in Detroit.

mccullough said...

Obama won big over McCain and Romney in the suburbs.

mccullough said...

Winning big in the suburbs for a Dem presidential candidate means losing 52-48

mccullough said...

Trump performed slightly better in Michigan than W did in 2004.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Why did Republicans do so well down ticket while Trump (allegedly) lost?

Apply Occam's razor. The simplest, most comprehensive and evident cause is that there was massive, widespread and barely concealed ballot falsification on the part of Democrat election officials.

Renee said...

" Kate said...
It was Gen Z voting for the first time. They hate Trump. "

The most vocal hate Trump, but do we really know how they feel? They really don't care for Obama. They were told as children, that Obama was to being all of these amazing things and he didn't. Obama is best known to them as the President that ruined school lunch.

Gunner said...

We all know Trump did a piss poor job defending himself in the debates, especially the first one. He should have been righteously indignant when Biden brought up the "very fine people" smear. Instead he just ignored it.

mccullough said...

Trump ignored the “fine people” remark because the only people who believe it weren’t going to vote for him.

rsbsail said...

In Texas, senator John Cornyn received 5,945,936 votes, or about 74,000 more votes than Trump, 5,874,547. I think, at least in Texas, there were about 1.2% of Republicans who were turned off by Trump.

Renee said...

In Massachusetts there were 25,000 votes for Biden (2,316,338 / 65.6%) than Sen Markey (2,290,511 / 66.5%) . And about 6,000 more votes for Repubican Senate Candidate Kevin O'Connor (1,155,627 / 33.5%) , than for President Trump (1,149,777 32.6). The percentages of off, but in the presidential election about 2% of the votes went to third parties.


Biden about 400k more than Clinton, and Trump had about 400k than in 2016

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

mandrewa: That's the first thing I thought of. When you are in a voting booth, you are aware of time and anxious to "do your business" as quickly as possible. When you are voting by mail, you are not; you can scrutinize everything on the ballot. You still might not vote every race (lots of us would still leave out unopposed judges, minor referenda we knew nothing about, whatever), but all else being equal, I'd expect the down-ballot votes to increase, not decrease, in a vote-by-mail election. Why didn't they?

Michelle (in OR, where we've been doing this for a couple of decades, so don't look at us)

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

d) Hand filled extra ballots were marked for Biden with down-ballot races left empty; voting machines were hacked to change Trump votes to Biden with down-ballot races left unchanged.

Leaving down-ballot races alone simplified production of Biden votes, with instructions that could be uniformly applied across all states. Including down-ballot votes would require knowledge of races at every County level.

For hand marked ballots, including down-ballot races would have vastly increased the time required for the fraud.

Lurker21 said...

Look where there are contested races. I voted for president and senator, but everyone else was unopposed, so I skipped them. I voted against one ballot measure I thought was a bad idea but blanked the other one because the advertising had so muddied and muddled things that it was impossible to tell if it was good or bad. Michigan and Georgia both had competitive senate races, so I would expect more down-ballot voting there than in states where there weren't high-profile competitive races.

These bell weather counties are precisely that because voters switch back and forth between the winning candidates (suburban white voters).

Suburban Macomb County Michigan is the most famous swing county and it went for Trump this year, but most of the true bellwethers are rural counties and went for Trump this time because he did so well in rural areas. Forecasters may have to come up with a new list for next time.

Skeptical Voter said...

Mickey is being polite--as is the fellow he quotes. If you are stuffing ballot boxes with fraudulent votes or jiggering the software, those down ballot races won't be marked.

One other anomaly for what it's worth; I saw someone declare that there are 18 counties in the United States that have voted for the winner of each Presidential election for the last 80 years or so--call them bellwether counties. Of those 18 counties just one of them voted for Biden this time---the other 17 voted for Trump. Something wrong here. Or maybe not. Biden's margin in the popular vote in California was about equal to his overall national popular vote margin. Take out California and Trump and Biden ran essentially neck and neck in the rest of the country.

Michael K said...

It would interesting to tally exactly how many ballots in different jurisdictions only voted for Biden vs how many only voted for Trump.

I pointed out above that I had seen an example of thousands for Biden and 900 for Trump.

Chuck said...


Blogger Skeptical Voter said...
Mickey is being polite--as is the fellow he quotes. If you are stuffing ballot boxes with fraudulent votes or jiggering the software, those down ballot races won't be marked.
...


Where in Michigan were “ballot boxes... stuffed?” In which Michigan counties did “jigger[ed] ... software” produce phony votes for Trump? How did they do it? How many votes were produced by ‘jiggered software’?

MadTownGuy said...

Mark said...
"WI Republicans just dropped their lawsuit."

WI GOP did bupkis after the 2018 election; its failure to act then made it harder to follow through now.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Chuck said...
Where in Michigan were “ballot boxes... stuffed?”

Detroit

In which Michigan counties did “jigger[ed] ... software” produce phony votes for Trump?

For Trump? Nowhere. For Biden? Antrim County. Look it it

Lurker21 said...

The Shapiro-Kaus theory is very clever, but the upscale White suburban voters who voted by mail and abandoned Trump for Biden were just the kind of people who would research the other races and vote in them. Wouldn't the undervotes more likely have come from other kinds of districts, and possibly not have been on mail-in ballots?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Chuck said...
Where is the evidence that Democrats got killed in down-ballot races?

https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/04/republicans-win-toss-up-new-york-times-congressional-house-districts-election-battleground/

>> Republicans are winning or have won 24 of 27 U.S. House races listed as “toss-ups” by @nytimes… and 13 of 36 ones listed under “Democrats expected to win narrowly.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-2020-house-map-looks-good-for-democrats-but-republicans-still-have-a-shot/
>> Median race ratings from the three major election handicappers — The Cook Political Report, Inside Elections and Sabato’s Crystal Ball1 — rate 222 seats as safely, likely or lean Democratic, and 193 seats as safely, likely or lean Republican. The other 20 seats are toss-ups that could go either way.

The Democrats are HOPING to end up with 222 seats, which would mean that essentially EVERT "toss up" went GOP

That's pretty much the epitome of the "Democrats got killed in down-ballot races".

Achilles said...

Chuck said...


Where in Michigan were “ballot boxes... stuffed?”

Detroit. This is a fairly long and detailed article in a news source that actually interviewed eye witnesses who filed affidavits and witness statements to the court.

The court filing is linked here. 234 page PDF that will be too difficult for a fake lawyer who is really just a douchebag liar to read.

In which Michigan counties did “jigger[ed] ... software” produce phony votes for Trump? How did they do it? How many votes were produced by ‘jiggered software’?

6000 votes were found to be wrongly given to Biden in Antrim County.

In a separate incident same article:

"National GOP Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel also spoke at the press conference shedding light on election issues in the key state, saying that 2,000 Republican ballots were marked as Democrat in Oakland County due to a “clerical error” which wrongly gave the race to the Democrat candidate."

So there are two instances that have already been corrected. There is already massive fraud in two completely and absolutely confirmed cases.

"McDaniel also said that Republican poll watchers in various locations were denied their ability to monitor the counting of ballots, that Wayne County alone has over “100 incident reports of irregularities,” and that a whistleblower came forward to confirm that some election workers were asked to illegally date certain ballots as received on or before election day."

There is no getting around it Chuck. Two things are clear.

There is massive evidence of fraud.

You are a piece of shit.

Achilles said...

Chuck said...

You’re proving my point.

Biden won Michigan by winning big in the suburbs. Not with thousands of unexplainable votes in Detroit.


The votes from the suburbs were counted in the cities they surround in buildings where GOP poll observers were removed from in the middle of the night.

That is why turnout in those places was so "high."

But you already know the election was fraudulent.

You just don't care.

readering said...

People here will get real upset when the Kennedy library makes profile in courage awards to Republican election officials resisting pressure to tank the election for Trump.

wild chicken said...

"It was Gen Z voting for the first time. They hate Trump"

Lots of vert old Republicans hate him too. And they would certainly vote R downticket but skip the top.

They think he is rude and a braggart.

wild chicken said...

"It was Gen Z voting for the first time. They hate Trump"

Lots of vert old Republicans hate him too. And they would certainly vote R downticket but skip the top.

They think he is rude and a braggart.

wild chicken said...

"It was Gen Z voting for the first time. They hate Trump"

Lots of vert old Republicans hate him too. And they would certainly vote R downticket but skip the top.

They think he is rude and a braggart.

Achilles said...

Inga said...

Martians, it was the Martians.


Have you apologized to Carter Page or General Flynn yet you piece of shit?

Bruce Hayden said...

Putting a couple things together. There were reports of a vehicle or two from out of state dropping off boxes of ballots that were accepted by the De poll workers (after the Republicans had been sent home or weren’t being allowed back in after a break) if the boxes of ballots had been prepared out of state, they probably wouldn’t have known anything about the down ballot races.

Still, my theory is that the Dems believed their own (including the MSM’s) polling so were unprepared for the magnitude of Trump votes (they should have known, because the pollsters were increasing the Dem bias at the end, despite the Republican edge in new registrations). These big cities used one pretext or another to delay reporting their ballot totals until they could see how many ballots were needed to pull Biden across the finish line. And discovered that they needed way more ballots than they had thought possible. They panicked, and started generating Biden ballots as quickly as they could which could mean that for a lot of them they just had time to mark Biden/Harris and then go on to the next ballot. And, panicking they also quit pretending to obey election laws. They needed hundreds of thousands of Biden votes, had only maybe 3-4 hours to get them and they didn’t have time for the niceties. Better to try cheating and maybe get caught, than not cheat and let OrangeManBad be reeected without a fight.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-house.html
"Democrats expected to win easily"
Dems have won all but 2. These are still to be called:
N.Y. 3: D+2
N.Y. 18: D+4

"Democrats expected to win narrowly"
They've lost 7 of those, and have two not called:
N.J. 7: D+1.1
N.Y. 19: D+5

"Tossup districts"

"Republicans expected to win"
GOP is winning all of those, both the "narrowly" and the "easily"
GOP has won, or is leading, in every one


Dems are going from a 37 seat advantage in May to a 9 seat advantage in January

This is not what happened when your side's challenger unseats teh incumbent President. At least, it's not what happens when teh voting is honest

Achilles said...

mccullough said...

Perdue got about 1,000 more votes than Trump in Georgia.

Trump ran ahead of McSally in Georgia, James in Michigan, Ernst in Iowa, and Tillis in North Carolina.

Gardner ran ahead of Trump in Colorado and Collins ran ahead of Trump in Maine.


And Biden had similar minor variances with all the democrats across the country, and democrats lost almost every "toss-up" race.

That is all normal statistical stuff.

Biden just massively smashed everyone in 6 urban areas where they happened to kick GOP poll observers out of the buildings where they counted votes.

And he won over 90% of votes that were counted after 12AM November 4th.

It is magic.

Achilles said...

Bruce Hayden said...

<..>

Exactly the hypothesis that most readily fits observations.

After listening to Howard and Inga and Chuck blabber about how Russians stole the election for Trump in 2016 their hypothesis that there was no fraud in 2020 just shows how little self awareness they have.

Michael K said...

These big cities used one pretext or another to delay reporting their ballot totals until they could see how many ballots were needed to pull Biden across the finish line. And discovered that they needed way more ballots than they had thought possible.

Yup. Best explanation I've seen. Lyndon Johnson and Abe Fortas invented this method.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Oops:
NYT: "Tossup districts"
GOP won or is leading in every single one. The closest in IA 2, where GOP candidate is ahead by 42 votes with all ballots counted. They're going to do a hand recount on that one

Second closest is CA 25, Katie Hill's old district, where the GOP guy who won the special election (Mike Garcia) is up by 104 votes with "> 99% counted", and no change in several days

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OSU '92 said...

Wild Chicken that is not what happened. If it is to be believed, Joe added 14 Million new voters who love Joe but voted for Republicans down ballot or left it blank. Trump is going to end up with several million more votes than 2016. So Joe did not generate a huge number of new votes (14 Million) from Republicans who don’t like Trump or Trump voters switching to Biden. The math just doesn’t work.

I know the media keeps pumping this story of white suburban voters fleeing Trump but the votes in those places would indicate otherwise. If that were the case Trump would not have won 18/19 bell weather counties countrywide. Using your theory of Trump hating Republicans voting for Biden he should have crushed Trump in those bell weathers. It’s quite the opposite.

Unknown said...

d) Fraud

DavidD said...

Why would early voters have to be in such a rush that they would leave everything but the top of the ballot blank?

Isn’t it more likely that legitimate votes for President went the same way as everything else?

mccullough said...

With mail-in voting you can round up a lot more of the Wino Vote a party got registered. Get the ballots into the Wino hands, have them sign the envelope, and then collect them all and deliver them to a drop box.

boatbuilder said...

I haven’t read all the comments, but it seems like it might be worthwhile to compare the suspected fraud 50/50 states with the sort of close but fraud doesn’t get you there states-the 52/48 states-to see if they follow the same pattern.

boatbuilder said...

The idea that voters might prefer a division of power-I.e. a Democrat Pres. and a Republican senate—or vice versa—seems highly dubious as an explanation. Wouldn’t these people just balance one another out?

Achilles said...

Chuck said...

I want you on this, Achilles. You're putting out garbage, and I want this fight with you.

I have read all of the news stories from the same people that spent the last 4 years telling me Trump was a Russian agent. Then they told me Kavanaugh was a rapist. They said that Trump should be impeached for Asking Ukraine to investigate Biden's corruption.

I have also watched videos and interviews with many many people and read hundreds of affidavits and signed witness statements.

What it comes down to is that Detroit, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Atlanta and some other Democrat controlled jurisdictions used COVID as an excuse to limit the number of poll observers to absurdly low numbers and kick out anyone who would actually represent Trump or his voter's interests.

I am sure a few traitorous cucks like you were allowed to stay and be the official "GOP Observer." I am sure the Democrats could find a few people that are as big a shithead as you are who would claim to be republicans and let them count every mail in ballot they could carry into the building.

I wouldn't trust you to be honest in anything.

I guarantee if they counted the number of envelopes with signatures that matched actual legal voters and compared that to ballots counted that there are millions of extra mail in ballots that cannot be attached to an actual voter.

You know all of this. But you are a piece of shit.

You are going to get a fight you don't want.

MountainMan said...

Science fiction author and blogger Larry Correia (who is a retired accountant) asked this question on his Facebook page a couple of days ago:

"One quick question, only answer if you have worked in auditing/stats/fraud/investigations/or other data analysis type fields. In your entire career, have you ever seen a case that threw up this many flags that DID NOT turn out to be fraud?"

He got almost 400 responses. He published most of the responses on his blog, which you can read here.

chickelit said...

Fraud is still the most likely explanation.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Chuck, why do you tell such obvious lies?

https://greatlakesjc.org/wp-content/uploads/Complaint-Costantino-FINAL-With-Exhibits.pdf

28: After Mr. Larsen observed and uncovered the fraud that was taking place and had the confrontation with the supervisor, he left the counting room to consult with another attorney about the matter around 1:30 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. (Exhibit A).
29. It was at this point that election officials stopped permitting any further poll challengers to enter the counting room, including Mr. Larsen (Exhibit A).
30. Election officials never allowed Mr. Larsen to re-enter the counting room to fulfill his duties as a poll challenger after he had discovered the fraud which was taking place.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Chuck said...
You moron. The Antrim County vote mixup has been explained so many times and in so much detail that I don't think it is even the subject of any current litigation in Michigan. It was fixed, immediately and to everyone's satisfaction.

No, it was NOT fixed "immediately". it took over a week before the votes were correctly reported, or, at least, before we got a vote total with more votes for Trump than Biden.

You asked for a MI County where the voting software incorrectly reported votes for Biden. You didn't say "STILL reporting".

You are the moron, for asking a question with such an obvious answer

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Right Man said...

Or fraud?

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Jamie said...

“One thing has become clear these last few days, I am the American People’s ALL-TIME favorite President.”

Though the commenter above who quoted this used it as an opportunity to advance some old-fashioned armchair psychology diagnosin', it's objectively true: Trump has garnered more votes than any prior president in history.

Biden hasn't been a president yet...

Unknown said...

This - "Well you could add to this hypothesis that it isolates Trump and therefore no other candidate down ballot asking for a recount or investigation would be motivated to find a problem with the vote that hurt Trump."

Birkel said...

Or what if Biden only over-performed in four cities with consistent mechanical flaws?
Thousands of Biden-only votes entered consecutively at 3:30am without observers present, in contravention of state statutes: fraud.

Fraud in Milwaukee, Detroit, Philly, and Atlanta.

Kay's doesn't want to contemplate the obvious.

Achilles said...

Chuck said...


There is zero -- zero -- evidence that that happened in Detroit. There is zero evidence that vote totals in Detroit were suspicious, or even much different from 2016, when Trump won Michigan by a slender 10,704 votes, and said that any recount of that margin of victory was ridiculous.

Bald faced lie. Read through the court filings I linked and they demonstrate that you are a lying piece of shit.

There are hundreds of people and instances described in detail and Greg just posted one.

You are a liar Chuck. You have been outed repeatedly and at this point you are just embarrassing yourself.

Your calls to jail Trump and persecute his supporters, us, just shows who you really are. There are millions more of us than there are of you and almost every veteran in the country is on our side.

Have fun lining up with your BLM friends. They like you about as much as we do.

Nobody is more alone than you are Chuck.

Inga said...

The Kraken have been released!

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Monday that he has come under increasing pressure in recent days from fellow Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), who he said questioned the validity of legally cast absentee ballots, in an effort to reverse President Trump’s narrow loss in the state.
In a wide-ranging interview about the election, Raffensperger expressed exasperation over a string of baseless allegations coming from Trump and his allies about the integrity of the Georgia results, including claims that Dominion Voting Systems, the Colorado-based manufacturer of Georgia’s voting machines, is a “leftist” company with ties to Venezuela that engineered thousands of Trump votes to be left out of the count.
The atmosphere has grown so contentious, Raffensperger said, that he and his wife, Tricia, have received death threats in recent days, including a text to him that read: “You better not botch this recount. Your life depends on it.”

“The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president’s efforts in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a “liar” and a “charlatan.”
Collins has questioned Raffensperger’s handling of the vote and accused him of capitulating to Democrats by not backing allegations of voter fraud more strongly.
Raffensperger has said that every accusation of fraud will be thoroughly investigated, but that there is currently no credible evidence that fraud occurred on a broad enough scale to affect the outcome of the election.”

Birkel said...

Known lying racist fopdoodles pretend to have credibility.
Always amusing.

Birkel said...

Raffensperger got those sweet Dominion contracts.
He is going to fail upward.
I expect his future in electoral politics is exhausted.

OSU '92 said...

Inga then he should not have any problems reviewing signature verification. Otherwise they continue to recount absentee ballots signed by Mickey Mouse. This is the part I don’t get. If the signatures are not an issue why wouldn’t you want to verify them if only to prove that these “baseless” allegations are indeed baseless. I am having trouble seeing the downside here of confirming Fulton Co is clean as a whistle. You verify legitimacy of votes and make Trump look like a fool right?

Achilles said...

Inga said...

“The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president’s efforts in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a “liar” and a “charlatan.”
Collins has questioned Raffensperger’s handling of the vote and accused him of capitulating to Democrats by not backing allegations of voter fraud more strongly.
Raffensperger has said that every accusation of fraud will be thoroughly investigated, but that there is currently no credible evidence that fraud occurred on a broad enough scale to affect the outcome of the election.”


I love the "Water Main Break" excuse they had to use in Georgia to stop the counting and send all of the observers home.

And they never stopped counting. Biden got 95% of votes counted after they sent everyone home due to the "Water Main Break."

They are not going to be able to keep up the charade much longer.

All votes that were counted with no observers present are by default assumed fraud. Only Democrat judges will allow blatant violations of election law like this to stand.

Achilles said...

Inga is done complaining that Russians stole the 2016 election.

Is now on to explaining that there was absolutely no fraud in the 2020 election.

With absolutely no self awareness at all.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

What Raffensperger is apparently too stupid to understand is that every single invalid ballot accepted "tosses" a legal ballot.

Voting is a zero-sum game. Adding an illegitimate vote for the D candidate is the exact same thing as refusing to allow a legal voter to vote for the R candidate

Every single "failed match" ballot that was counted is the theft of a legal vote

So, if he's not willing to do whatever is necessary to get rid of those illegal votes, HE is the one disenfranchising legal voters.

He is the kind of sad sack of shit "Republican" who is the reason why Trump took over the Republican Party.

Big Mike said...

The problem with Mickey’s analysis is that he starts with the assumption that there was little or no fraud, certainly not enough to change the results, and then he applies circular logic to conclude that it was plausible that there was no fraud. But a true application of Occam’s razor says he’s wrong.

For what it’s worth I independently came to the same conclusion as Bruce Hayden (5:22). Except I’m sure that the Democrats allowed for their polling to be off — as it was in 2016 — and they had extra ballots prepared ahead of time, just in case. However the magnitude of Trump’s votes caught them flat-footed. They had a limited number of people and a limited number of hours to work without Republican poll watchers underfoot, and it takes twice as long to fill in two circles instead of one, you see. So they marked for Biden as fast and as furiously as possible.

Achilles said...

As Chuck would say, There is zero, zero, evidence of fraud:

"On Monday it was revealed in Floyd County, Georgia over 2,600 votes were not counted due to a server error, allegedly by a Dominion tabulating machine.

The found votes reportedly favor President Trump almost two-to-one, cutting Joe Biden’s approximate 14,000 vote lead by about 800 votes.

Brad Raffensperger on Monday evening immediately called for the elections director to step down.

David Shafer, Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party said GOP observers are limited to one credentialed monitor for each ten counting tables.

“Congressman Doug Collins and I asked for a one to one ratio yesterday but our request was refused,” David Shafer said."

I can't imagine why they would refuse to allow more poll observers.

Achilles said...

"The lawsuit also claims violations of the Equal Protection Clause because some voters who mailed in ballots in Philadelphia were alerted by election workers that their ballots may have contained mistakes or defects that would cause them to be rejected. Those voters were given the opportunity to cast provisional ballots in the event that their mailed ballots were thrown out. Voters in other counties of Pennsylvania were not afforded that same opportunity. In addition, since the Philadelphia voters were forewarned that their ballots could be defective, it is an indication that poll workers were pre-canvassing those ballots prior to Election Day, which would be a clear violation of Pennsylvania law."

The underlying facts of the case are not in dispute.

There were clear and widespread violations of election law in Philadelphia.

The only question is whether or not the judges care about the law.

stan said...

Professor Althouse,

Why join the gaslighting?

The fraud is blatant and massive. All the lies, slanders and censorship of the news media and social media platforms can't put Humpty together again. It's time for people with some shred of morality remaining to examine their consciences.

America isn't going to accept the theft of this election.

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Lurker21 said...

The meme going around is that Trump did better than last time everywhere but in four large cities in swing states. I don't know whether that's true, and what "everywhere" means here. Big cities? States? The whole country? It does look like the nationwide trend as compared to 2016 was away from Trump and to Biden. Utah bucked the trend (no phony Mormon alternative candidate this time). So did Arkansas and Mississippi (no Clinton this time), Nevada (concern about shutdowns) and California (they couldn't be any more Democrat than they were). But the state where Trump improved the most was New York (probably because people hate the governor and the mayor). Strong swings to Biden in Colorado, his home state of Delaware, and Vermont (fewer disaffected Sanders fans this time), and of course, there were the pick-ups in Georgia and Arizona, but the national trend, even in states where fraud doesn't appear to be an issue, was to Biden.

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