September 1, 2020

In Kenosha, Trump says he doesn't believe that police violence is "systemic."

"No, I don’t believe that. I think the police do an incredible job. And I think you do have some bad apples... And you do have the other situation too, where they’re under this tremendous pressure and they don’t handle it well, they call it choking, and it happens.... It’s a tough job, it’s a dangerous job. But I have to say this to the police, the people of our country love you. You don’t hear that, you don’t hear it from them, but the people of our country love you and they respect you, and they… And you know it, you feel it in your heart or you wouldn’t be doing it, but there’s a great love."

Here's the transcript.

The follow-up question is: "Do you believe systemic racism is a problem in this country?" He deflects the question: "Well, you just keep getting back to the opposite subject. We should talk about the kind of violence that we’ve seen in Portland and here and other places, it’s tremendous violence...."

A bit later, the question recurs in the form of "Do you believe that there is a need for structural change?" He says the change the people of Kenosha want is a return to law and order. And: "They want the police to be police, they want the police to do what they do better than anybody else in the world... they want great police force, they want people that are going to keep them safe...."

71 comments:

Lyle Smith said...

Good for Trump. F the structural change to totalitarianism the Democrats want. Literally Democrats won't be happy until America is a one party state.

rehajm said...

That's no way for Trump to win over the liberal asshat vote...

Gerrard787 said...

In my opinion, he is speaking very sensibly.

donald said...

He’s right. The statistics prove it.

rehajm said...

BLM protester arrested in DC was also at Kenosha and Portland riots

It's like they're professionals or something...

rcocean said...

The contrast between Trump and Biden is getting more stark every day. why did Biden fly to Pittsburgh and give a speech to 12 people in an empty warehouse? Why isn't he in Wisconsin like Trump? wouldn't the Blake family and their lawyers be happy to see him? wouldn't evers want to shake his hand?

As for trump, he's been playing the MSM like a fiddle. They don't seem to understand that all their hostile stupid GOTCHA questions, and overt disrespect of the Office of the President, makes Trump more supporters. Every intelligent person understands they are not objective in any way, and are operating as unpaid Biden campaign staff. Keep it up CNN/NYT/WaPo/etc.

cubanbob said...

Trump and the Republicans should be more forceful in rebutting the premise of these questions.

h said...

I posted this earlier, but it may be relevant here:


Glenn Loury: https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/31/in-racialising-everything-we-are-playing-with-fire/

"These days, I am given to saying the term ‘structural racism’ is both a bluff and a bludgeon. It is a bluff in the sense that it offers an explanation that is not really an explanation at all, and in effect dares the listener to come back with a response. For example, if someone says there are too many blacks in prison in the United States and that that is because of structural racism, they are daring you to say there are too many black criminals and that is why there are so many blacks in prison. They want you to say it is not the system’s fault, but the individual’s.

It is a bludgeon because it is a rhetorical move. It does not even pretend to be a scientific, policy-based argument. It asserts causes that never have to be demonstrated. We are all supposed to know that things are the fault of something called ‘structural racism’, which is abetted by an ideology of ‘white supremacy’. It is meant to explain everything. Confronted with any racial disparity, the answer is always that it is caused by structural racism,"

above from Loury, next from commenter H:

What's more, the "structural" (institutional, systemic) racism charge is a cop-out in that it de-personalizes any racism. "I'm not racist, and you're not racist, and no one we know is racist, but the system is racist." People need to be challenged on this. for example, in discussing racial disparities in criminal sentencing: name the prosecutors who charged whites more leniently than blacks for the same behavior; name the judges who set higher sentences for whites than blacks for the same offence; name the legislators who voted for the bill that makes crack cocaine a more serious offence than powdered cocaine; etc. Institutions are the result of human actions and behaviors -- name the humans who have put these institutions into effect. People who cling to the "institutional racism" cop-out do so because they don't want to blame their friends and fellow party members.

Michael P said...

Trump's response to the systemic racism question is a little disappointing. It isn't his style to answer the way I think is proper, but he should at least have one of his proxies point out that systemic racism does not exist in our country. It is a biased charge, that only admits one solution: revolution and whole-scale replacement of the existing laws and culture. There are a lot of improvements we should make, and some -- like sharply limiting qualified immunity -- will be very significant. However, "systemic racism" is a very anti-American concept, and we should reject it.

Michael K said...

The press is much more interested in the Narrative than learning anything.

mandrewa said...

I agree with him. Trump said the truth. He said the right thing.

Our police == nothings is perfect pp and we are dealing with people here, the cops are human beings, that are definitely not perfect, but all things considered most police departments in the United States are pretty good.

And it could be so much worse. For an example take the UK's police force. They are pathetic. They protect the criminals and not the public. They spend more time investigating people for what they post online than investigating and prosecuting burglars. They do the easy things and not the hard. And they are politically correct.

Sebastian said...

"Do you believe that there is a need for structural change?"

Yes. People should stop voting for Democrats.

Lem said...

Not bad for a guy having a stroke.

David in Cal said...

So many people today focus on victims. It's refreshing to hear a President focus on people who are actually achieving things -- in this case, the Police.

Correction - the focus is only on certain victims. There's not a lot of sympathy for Aaron Danielson, nor for all the unfortunate black people who were murdered by other blacks.

Rory said...

"Do you believe systemic racism is a problem in this country?"

Black Americans almost certainly are safer because they associate with other Americans. Of the 50 countries with the highest murder rates, 46 are in subsaharan Africa, the Caribbeab, or Latin America.

Roy Lofquist said...

Most all of the law enforcement officers in the US are members of local forces which are selected, trained, and directed by city or county governments. If there is a problem it is a problem that can only be solved at the ballot box. It appears to me that the Democrats, who complain the most about police, might just be hypocrites.

MayBee said...

The thing is, if you talk about things like "systemic racism" then you can come up with all kinds of "fixes".

Name exactly what the problems are that you think exist. Don't be lazy and say "systemic". That's like the racism version of how we're always going to have "common sense" gun laws. It's meaningless.
Reporters should be better at this.
"Do you think black men are shot more frequently than white men" you could ask. But of course, what one thinks with regard to that is meaningless, because they are or they aren't. So if they are....why? Who is doing the shooting and under what circumstances? If they aren't....why do we have the impression they are?
"Do you think black children are sent to worse schools" you could ask. Then you could talk about the problems with schools in black neighborhoods.

But "systemic" is a big nothing. People want to hear it because they want to say that we are a white nationalist country, although the people who say "systemic racism" are absolved from that white nationalism. Just by saying it.

Big Mike said...

He’s right, you know.

Unknown said...

Sadly, institutional racism does exist in America. We call it the Democratic Party and the public school system.

mccullough said...

Love and Safety.

Trump’s themes.

Michael K said...

Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit) has been one who was complaining about the "militarization" of the police. He has now posted that, in light of recent developments such as Chicago gangs advocating police murders, he is rethinking the idea. I am, too.

Mark said...

Sadly, institutional racism does exist in America. We call it the Democratic Party and the public school system.

Thank you ??? for getting it.

Gahrie said...

Black Americans almost certainly are safer because they associate with other Americans. Of the 50 countries with the highest murder rates, 46 are in subsaharan Africa, the Caribbeab, or Latin America.

Actually, they probably aren't. One of the reasons that nobody gives a shit about the fact that young Black men are 5% of the population, (with 500,000 of them locked up already) and they still commit over 50% of all violent crime, is the fact that the vast majority of their victims are Black too.

Gahrie said...

The Democratic Party is the longest lasting, and most successful, racist organization in American history.

James Pawlak said...

POLICE VIOLENCE IS GOOD. That is, that violence which puts HALT to those thugs whose behaviors "present a clear and present danger of death or great bodily harm to others".

Arson and attempted arson do present such a level of danger!

In today's USA the most "systematic" racism is inflicted by those Black criminals who, on the basis of race, select-out Whites as targets for their bestial attacks at a rate many times the reverse.

Jersey Fled said...

Sometimes it just takes someone saying the obvious to give people the license to say what they know to be true. Systemic racism is fiction. You can't say that the demonstrations are "mostly peaceful" when many or most are not, especially in certain liberal cities, then turn around and say all cops are racists. Or say that the fact that a our prison population is disproportionately Black proves that our criminal justice system is racist when there is a simpler and more accurate explanation: Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crimes. Pretending it isn't so doesn't change the facts.

Go down the list of Black men who were killed in confrontations with police recently and tell me which one did not have a long history of serious crimes. Do you think that might be why they resisted arrest? Which one would not be alive today if they simply cooperated with the police? Name him.


Rory said...
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OldManRick said...

Seen on Instapundit:

"If the riots were really Trump's fault, do you think the Democrats and media would have spent the last three months calling them peaceful protests?"

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Screen-Shot-2020-09-01-at-9.45.38-PM.png

There is absolutely no legitimate counter argument to that statement!

n.n said...

Systemic diversity (e.g. racism) is a progressive condition.

MountainMan said...

A Tyranny Perpetual and Universal? by Michael Anton

Not sure if many of you have read the above article, I don't think I have seen it mentioned. With all the posts and comments today on the riots and the election I think it is highly relevant. This article is long but worth every minute of your time.

This article by Angelo Codevilla, The Finger in the Dike Election", is a review of the new book from Anton upon which he based the article he wrote above. It is also worth your time.

Both of these articles confirmed much of what I have been discussing with friends and family over the past few weeks. They are very disturbing.

Fritz said...

It's quite a coincidence that all the systemic racism is found in cities run by Democrats.

Big Mike said...

As for trump, he's been playing the MSM like a fiddle. They don’t seem to understand that all their hostile stupid GOTCHA questions, and overt disrespect of the Office of the President, makes Trump more supporters.

This! Those of us who despised Barack Obama (I rate him in the bottom five of all Presidents) still respect the Office of the President. Trump might be pretty rough-hewn, but look at who he is forced to deal with.

MayBee said...

commenter H- yes! Exactly!

MayBee said...

Which one would not be alive today if they simply cooperated with the police? Name him.

That's the thing! There are men who have been killed who were cooperating with the police. But not *these* guys. I'm not saying any of them should be dead. I wish they were not. I wish the cops would have done something other than kill them.
But...not cooperating with the police is an extra layer of danger for anyone. We'd be having a totally different summer if George Floyd would just have gotten in the car. If Jacob Blake would have stopped walking away toward police and not open his car door. If the guy in Georgia hadn't run.

We should be able to say it, because the consequences for all of us have been extreme.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Yes, there ie systemic violence. There is supposed to be systemic violence. That is part of their jobs.

In some cases there is more violence than is appropriate. I would certainly support efforts to find ways to reduce the violence, as long as it doesn't reduce officer safety, or reduce their ability to get bad guys off the streets.

In other cases there is not enough police violence. I'm looking at you, Portland

Jupiter said...

Gahrie said

"One of the reasons that nobody gives a shit about the fact that young Black men are 5% of the population, (with 500,000 of them locked up already) and they still commit over 50% of all violent crime, is the fact that the vast majority of their victims are Black too."

There is some truth to this, but I think a better way to put it would be, that most Americans would support an effort to greatly reduce the murder rate among young Black men, except that the only way we know of to do that is to arrest and imprison a lot of young Black men, and we realize that is not politically feasible. Therefore, we are resigned to the fact that Black people are going to use their political power to maintain their own victimization. That is their primary political objective.

narciso said...



Here we go again:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1301016918678147072

Rosalyn C. said...

Trump's immediate answer is basically that there's no point in talking about academic theories when we must be taking steps to stop the riots which are burning down the cities and destroying people's lives.

I expect he will speak about systemic racism from the point of view of the history of racism in this country and the progress he wants to achieve to overcome racism. That's quite different from claiming that the entire structure of the country is aimed at keeping black people down. He certainly doesn't believe that and neither do I.

Trump has been working on criminal justice reform, second chances, opportunity zones, black unemployment, school choice. Don't people get that those are policies to overcome the effects of racism?

Upgrades said...

1 of 2) The violence Trump refers to is happening because the country - both black and white - have come to a point where it's tired of seeing people being killed by police when they did not have to do so. Police get training, with titled to the training session like 'Killing without hesitation' - there's a problem with how our police react to every potential threat with an empty clip. Remember the black kid shot in his grandmother's back yard because he had a cell phone the cop thought was a gun? You want to see one of the most disgusting murders by police ever - and it was a white man in this case - go to YouTube and type in 'Daniel Shaver body cam' and get ready to be angry as he's shot by a guy who's supposed to only be covering a doorway as he's crying out and begging for his life as the cops taunt him telling him they're going to kill him if he makes the slightest mistake as multiple people yell different directions at him. The cop that shot and killed Daniel Shaver is a free man still, and I believe he just went and joined a department in another city. People want accountability for police when they make egregious mistakes. People are fed up. With legislation to fix these things so people don't feel like the cops that make such horrendous mistakes or are repeatedly causing unnecessary problems are just getting away free and can continue on abusing their position of power surrounded by other cops who, although maybe not bad cops themselves, are working in a culture where it's impossible for them to do anything about the bad ones if they want to keep their career and not fear what could happen to them for turning in one of their own, all the while knowing there's a good chance nothing even happens. Police unions are too strong and have rigged the game even further by giving them so many advantages when they ARE looked at that normal people NEVER EVER get. There's a reason Christopher Dorner went off like he did after he got fucked for trying to turn in a bad cop he was partnered with. All of this isn't a coincidence. Most Americans still agree there needs to be changes in this area, and if Trump wants to just ignore what is so glaringly obvious this is what he is going to continue to get. I don't condone violence or anything like that, but what you see going on is the language of those who are silenced and ignored. For fucks sake, Kaepernick knelt silently on a sideline, drawing no attention to himself, and doing so after he spoke with an active duty soldier or marine (I forget which one it was) who suggested kneeling would be better than just sitting on the bench after Kap asked him about it....he was literally going out of his way to try and NOT make anyone be offended by seeking that soldier's / marine's input. But all that happened was Trump turned it into another battle in the social war. He purposefully ignored what the kneeling was for in the first place, just as he is doing now. Again, all of this is a symptom, not the original problem, and it can be ended when people feel like police are held accountable. I'm white myself and have been screwed w/ by the police on a couple of occasions including having a cop tell me he found some bag w/ powder residue all over it in my truck THE DAY I BOUGHT IT on my way back home from the dealership (was an '06 I bought used in '09, tail light went out on my way home) after I had no problem letting him search it....all for a tail light. After denying it for 5-10 mins the bag disappeared and wasn't brought up again. I've also been arrested for DUI on a .06 because why not it doesn't matter to them and maybe the charges will stick (they didn't, but It took going to court for nearly 9 months first). I could not imagine being black in my white city. This isn't a democrat or republican thing, this is an America thing.

Upgrades said...

#2 of 2) Focus on what the problem is - everyone saw Floyd. It doesn't matter what else was in his system or what else he's been brought up on...a cop was on his neck for 9 minutes when he told him multiple times he couldn't breathe, all over what began as a call on a counterfeit $20 bill. Brianna Taylor....cops had the wrong house doing a no-knock raid after midnight for a guy who ended up already being in custody and they killed her and we've heard nothing but the reports today that cops were trying to get her ex-bf who got caught up in some drug charges to confess to a plea deal and to say Brianna was involved in his little drug operation, which he refused to do, because they want to smear her name. She was an EMT doing the right thing with her life. Nobody has been held accountable. The female cop in Texas that went up to the 4th floor and walked into the apartment she thought was hers, which was on the 3rd floor, finding a black man living in his own apartment - with his own shit and family pics all over - which she thought was her apartment so she killed him. She walked free. There is a problem in this country.

wendybar said...

IF there is structural racism, it belongs to the people who run the media, and academia. The same people who started the KKK, who wanted slavery ect. The Democrats own it. https://canadafreepress.com/article/systemic-racism-inherent-in-democrats-dna

West Texas Intermediate Crude said...

Affirmative Action.
The definition of Systemic Racism.

J Lee said...

Those are May-June questions being asked by reporters in September, under the belief that a 'wrong' answer by Trump can then be used to set a narrative for both black voters and swing voters.

Voters were far more sympathetic to Black Lives Matter and the claims of systemic racism in the weeks immediate after the George Floyd death, but as rioting, arson and looting have continued, the polling has shown support for BLM has fallen back to its pre-Floyd levels. However, the questions about systemic racism are being asked of Trump knowing he will not agree to the premise, and also assuming they can then use his answers to paint a picture of Trump being racist because he doesn't think the problem is systemic.

It would have been a far easier narrative to push 90 days ago, and it's designed to try and stem any possible loss of black support for Joe Biden and to try and woo swing voters into the Biden camp. But people aren't looking at Kenosha or at Minneapolis last week and immediately condemning police or accepting the idea that systemic racism led to the incident they way they would have three months ago, so coming back to the question over and over and the spin that follows is likely to end up simply preaching to the choir of people who weren't going to vote for Trump, no matter what the circumstances.

IamDevo said...

Dear Upgrades,
Please take your meds. Then get your facts straight. Exhibit A:

"A white former Dallas police officer who said she fatally shot her unarmed, black neighbor after mistaking his apartment for her own was found guilty Tuesday of murder. A jury reached the verdict in Amber Guyger’s high-profile trial for the killing of Botham Jean after six days of witness testimony but just a handful of hours of deliberation." LA Times, 10/01/2019.

You obviously have a problem with authority, ("I'm white myself and have been screwed w/ by the police on a couple of occasions.") let alone reality.

MayBee said...

Upgrades- Amber Guyger was given 10 years. She didn't walk free.

MayBee said...

I'm not here to say cops don't often overreact- they do.

Breonna Taylor was caught in a no-knock raid. She is not the first innocent person to be killed because they went to the wrong house, nor will she be the last until they change that procedure. Perhaps cops are more likely to do no-knock raids in black neighborhoods. But it seems to be an overzealous practice that has indeed killed too many people.

Overall, cops are always scared they are going to die and people don't live our lives expecting cops to roll up on us, having been told we are dangerous when we know we are just going about our business. That's dangerous, and a lot of people die that way.

The story you tell about the powder in your truck is indeed frightening. I know they have a field "test" for powdered drug residue people can get arrested for, then sit in the system, even though there's a high level of false positives. People will plead out because they want to get out of the system, even though they aren't guilty.
I'm not sure there's a race thing involved in that one, though.

FWIW, the tail light thing happened to my son too, and he's white. I don't like it. They are fishing of infractions.
I don't even like how much they speed trap on the highway. I don't think citizens should be seen as sources of revenue for the state.

But there's a difference between overzealous cops, bad procedures, some racist cops, some hateful cops (Derek Chauvin) and systemic racism.

The Crack Emcee said...

Real Owner of Burned-Out Kenosha Shop Refused Trump’s Photo-Op Invitation

MayBee said...

Upgrades said: " Focus on what the problem is - everyone saw Floyd. It doesn't matter what else was in his system or what else he's been brought up on."

Chauvin deserves whatever he's going to get.
The other two young cops are being charged for political purposes. If you've seen the body cam, you know that.

About Kaepernink- it doesn't really matter if he spoke to "someone" about how best to protest. That person spoke only for himself, and not the nation. But I fear the NFL is about to ruin itself by now going overboard with "Black Lives Matter" in the end zones. I loved sports and love the unity they create in our nation. I don't need another venue of political harangues. Who does?

Larry J said...

If there is such a thing as institutional racism, which institutions are they talking about? Leftists control education from pre-kindergarden through post doctoral. They control administrative government and not just at the federal level. They control almost all of the mainstream media including the news divisions as well as entertainment. So, if there is institutional racism, who controls the institutions?

Jeff Brokaw said...

Trump’s remarks seem like common sense and what all Americans used to believe because they were taught to believe it, and because it was part of the whole rule of law concept, “truth justice and the american way”, etc. The belief especially in older Americans that cops are good guys who protect us from bad guys, and that we need that protection because bad guys do exist and only fools pretend otherwise, is deeply psychological and will never be eradicated culturally until everyone over 35-40 dies.

And so within that group, this boils down to “there’s basically two sides here, either you support cops or you support anarchy, thugs, chaos, and crime in the streets”.

Progressives can yap all day long about how awful cops are, but they’re not moving the needle one nanometer for anyone in this group.

My two cents anyway. Could be wrong but I don’t think so.

Jeff Brokaw said...

As for the younger group, the under 35-40 group, they not only did not grow up with the cultural reinforcement of police as good guys protecting us from bad guys, they did grow up with the corrosive and toxic effects of social media and viral videos which are slowly destroying our country one post and one video at a time.

The list of problems with social media is well-documented and I don’t need to go into that here.

But the problems with viral videos are not examined and discussed as much as they need to be. Obviously the media loves them for the clicks and traffic, and both the media and politicians love them for the narrative-driving emotional power behind them. Sometimes they expose wrongdoing and can be trusted, but not often, becausewatching 15 seconds of video — or even 9 minutes of video — taken from one angle with zero supporting context is a *terrible* way to ascertain what really happened in a situation, who is at fault when things went bad, mitigting factors that should cause a viewer to reserve judgment, etc.

The viewer makes a mistake in assuming they have all relevant info — probably because it’s emotionally powerful and visual (which is more persuasive than words) — and so people jump to conclusions that are often spectacularly wrong.

I preach to my family all the time about the dangers of watching a video and making up your mind about anything from it. Just don’t. Keep reasonable doubt as an option, always.

But I fear we are fighting an emotion-driven “madness of crowds” monster here, a genie that cannot be put back in the bottle. As this younger demographic group ages and becomes a bigger chunk of society, eventually it will be dominant, and so witll these attitudes, unless we do something, and fast.

Rory said...

"There is a problem in this country."

Of course there's a problem in this country. There are 330,000,000 million people here, so there are millions of problems. No matter how angry something makes you, you have to exercise control of yourself. You have to keep in mind that others have the right to disagree with you, and that you could be the one who's wrong. Otherwise, you give people power over you: they give you half a story or an edited video, knowing that you're already committed to taking to the streets when you hear that story, and that violent people will piggyback on you, and that that will force honest people to defend themselves from the mob.

AllenS said...

Upgrades said...
There is a problem in this country.

Yes, there is, we, as a nation are not perfect.

Jersey Fled said...

Maybe Upgrade can explain why all of this police violence against Blacks is happening in cities run by Democrat administrations for decades.

Maybe in fewer words this time.

Larvell said...

Should ask the reporter “what do you mean by structural change? That’s kind of vague. What structure are you suggesting might be changed?” I guarantee the reporter would have no non-gibberish response.

Gahrie said...

So, if there is institutional racism, who controls the institutions?

There's a reason they're claiming that reason and truth are White.

bagoh20 said...

"Of the 50 countries with the highest murder rates, 46 are in subsaharan Africa, the Caribbeab, or Latin America."

That sounds like Black lives don't matter much... to Blacks. I'd say that if we have a systemic problem, it's that Blacks lives don't matter much to Blacks, and Democrats. Both would have much harder time wielding politic power if less Blacks were dying. Do they really want less Black men killed? I don't think so. What would they use for leverage? Republicans and Whites are the ones who really want it to stop.

Bruce Hayden said...

“ Focus on what the problem is - everyone saw Floyd. It doesn't matter what else was in his system or what else he's been brought up on...a cop was on his neck for 9 minutes when he told him multiple times he couldn't breathe, all over what began as a call on a counterfeit $20 bill.”

There are some fundamental assumptions that you are making to get around the problem that so many of the blacks who have died interacting with the police were criminals, and the police were trying to take them into custody. Almost no one wants to be taken into police custody. But the left seems to want to privilege black, and esp black males, that if they want to resist being taken into police custody, that is just fine. It assumes that we should have a double standard of justice, one for whites and other non-blacks, that is relatively high, and a lower one for blacks, presumably because they can’t help themselves from committing crimes. Talk about the bigotry of low expectations.

George Floyd was probably a walking dead man when the police took him into custody. He was already showing the symptoms of a fentanyl OD at that time. It is probably more likely than not that he would have died anyway, if they had just turned around and walked off when they saw him foaming at the mouth and having problems breathing. Probably the only thing that could have saved him would have been the prompt administration of Naloxone to counteract the fentanyl, and possibly rehydration to counteract the sickling of his red blood cells - Except that may have been fatal itself, due to his pulmonary edema (his lungs had filled up with fluids - and hence the foaming at the mouth, and ultimately, at his autopsy, lungs weighing 2-3 times normal due to the fluids in them). The officers guessed that he was ODing, called for paramedics, and positioned him so that he wouldn’t die from aspirating his vomit. And they called for paramedics, who presumably would have recognized what Floyd had ODed on, and countered it properly. Their first mistake was in guessing wrong as to what Floyd had OD’d on. And their second, related, mistake was in calling for the paramedics code 2, and by the time they upped their call to code 3, it was too late for him. The paramedics were still a block or two away when Floyd’s heart stopped, and when they arrived, found one of the officers doing CPR on him. Their problem was that they were somewhat trained lay people facing a medical emergency as first responders without the skill and knowledge that a medical professional, such as a paramedic, would typically have had.

Also keep this in mind. At least as early as when the officers allowed Floyd to leave the police car, and instead get on the ground, they were no longer viewing it as an arrest and transportation to jail, but as an OD waiting for an ambulance and paramedics. He was positioned the way that he was, and maintained in that position the best way that they knew how, with that knee on the neck hold, in order to prevent him from aspirating the vomit that often accompanies ODs. At that point, he probably couldn’t have gotten up and walked off, even if they had allowed him to. And he likely would have rolled onto his back, making him susceptible to aspirating his own vomit, if he had not been restrained, as he had been.

MacMacConnell said...

Read George Floyd's autopsy, he over dosed on Fentanyl. The Doctor who did the autopsy said if Floyd had just been sitting on his couch at home he would have died. It will come out at trial. For this the we had riots.

Michael K said...


Blogger Upgrades said...
1 of 2) The violence Trump refers to is happening because the country - both black and white - have come to a point where it's tired of seeing people being killed by police when they did not have to do so.


Another blank profile troll.

MacMacConnell said...

The Democrats' problem criticizing BLM and ANTIFA violence is the same they had with the KKK. For almost 100 years the KKK were their enforcers and terrorist. First to assassinate Republicans and end Reconstruction, they succeeded at both. Then to assure Democrat control at the polls.

Unknown said...


"Breonna Taylor was caught in a no-knock raid. She is not the first innocent person to be killed because they went to the wrong house, nor will she be the last until they change that procedure."

The death of Breonna by itself makes a strong argument that the raid was botched, but the address was correct and Breonna was a named target. I'm not sure how this misinformation got started or keeps going. Link to warrant for anyone that cares to read it -
https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor-search-warrants.pdf










RichAndSceptical said...

The only systemic racism I have been able to find is Coach K and Coach Calipari recruiting one and done black basketball players to elite universities.

MayBee said...

'm not sure how this misinformation got started or keeps going. Link to warrant for anyone that cares to read it -
https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Breonna-Taylor-search-warrants.pdf


Thank you very much for the information. I would say it is still the wrong house in that she wasn't running a drug operation. There was only the word of another person that she was. There is no reason she would ever expect the police to come bursting into her house in the middle of the night.

Narayanan said...

Abraham Lincoln > Quotes > Quotable Quote

“Hypocrite: The man who murdered his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan.”

― Abraham Lincoln
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and above from Loury, next from commenter H:
People who cling to the "institutional racism" cop-out do so because they don't want to blame their friends and fellow party members.
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it is unprincipled and illogical to deny Affirmative Action is institutionalizing racism ? since you have to trace something to root cause racism before acting? not mere simple injustice!

check your own IQ if you proposed and accepted this as any sort of solution to racism.

stlcdr said...

To add to what MayBee said at 7:57, once you acknowledge 'Systemic Racism' you now have to argue for or against it on the terms of those who define what it is. Never do that, it's a trap.

PhilD said...

"systematic racism" seems to exist in heaps in the USA and (almost) all of it is by the Democratic Party.

Rosalyn C. said...

I was also surprised to learn that the raid on B. Taylor was not a mistaken address after hearing that continuously in the media. From what I've read there was surveillance of drugs being taken into and out of her residence by her ex-boyfriend as recently as two weeks before the raid. Still, it was a botched raid as the officers were not uniformed police and Taylor's then current boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, shot back at them thinking it was some criminal gang attack. Breonna got shot and killed in the cross fire. Tragic.

Narayanan said...

why cant the SWAT-police be Jackie Chan?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

PhilD said...
"systematic racism" seems to exist in heaps in the USA and (almost) all of it is by the Democratic Party.

Yes. this +1000

You don't like systematic racism? Vote against Democrats

bagoh20 said...

If we could admit that racism really isn't the issue or the cause we might get somewhere, but the racial angle is too useful to too many.