September 22, 2020

"As Joe Rogan’s Platform Grows, So Does the Media and Liberal Backlash. Why? The popular podcast host is a political liberal by all metrics. So what explains the contempt he provokes in liberal circles?"

Glenn Greenwald asks (at The Intercept).
The objections typically raised to Rogan concern his questioning of some of the very recent changes brought about by trans visibility and equality.... If the standard is that anyone who even entertains debates over the maxmialist [sic] and most controversial questions in this very new and evolving social movement is to be cast out as radioactive, liberalism and the Democratic Party will be a very small group.... The other critique centers on Rogan’s willingness to invite on his show various pundits with far-right views.... 
While Rogan is politically liberal, he is — argues former Obama 2008 campaign strategist and Rogan listener Shant Mesrobian — culturally conservative, by which he does not mean that Rogan holds conservative views on social issues (again, he is pro-choice and pro-LGBT rights). He means that Rogan exudes culturally conservative signals: he likes MMA fighting, makes crude jokes, hunts, and just generally fails to speak in the lingo of the professional managerial class and coastal elites. And it is those cultural standards, rather than political ones, that make Rogan anathema to elite liberal culture because, Mesrobian argued in a viral Twitter thread, liberals care far more about proper culture signalling than they do about the much harder and more consequential work of actual politics....
Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!

122 comments:

John Lynch said...

He lets people talk on his show. And he talks to conservatives. That's the real reason.

Free speech is the defining value now.

tim maguire said...

Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!

But, of course, Democrats didn't "let" conservatives take possession, Democrats thrust it upon them.

Jupiter said...

More ammo. Need more ammo!

Have you seen what they're asking for ammo these days? $1.20 a round for 9mm. Crazy!

Bay Area Guy said...

Liberals live in a fantasy world - a fog of delusion.

Rogan is a UFC sportscaster. He observes real men fighting. There's no affirmative action, there's no biased refs, there's no #metooism, there's no politics - just two badasses in the ring. (A few badass women too). Toughest guy wins. No consolation prize.

If you take this approach to politics, well, you're not gonna succumb to the fog of delusion. No woman is gonna "self-identify" as a man to fight, Jon Jones. Not.gonna.happen.

You see what happens, you report it. Not that hard.

Liberals get upset when their fog of delusion gets punctured, so they're not gonna like Rogan too much.

Pianoman said...

Greenwald forgot to add that Rogan Just Doesn't Give A F*ck.

RK said...

The other critique centers on Rogan’s willingness to invite on his show various pundits with far-right views

And if there's one thing that can't be tolerated, it's opposing views.

Aggie said...

It's all about Control.

Che Dolf said...

Rogan is a political liberal by all metrics. So what explains the contempt he provokes in liberal circles?

The Overton window has been moving left in fits and starts for over a century. A liberal like Rogan who refuses to shift ever-leftward (or moves left too slowly) will get categorized over time as a conservative, a reactionary, and then a nazi.

John henry said...

One of the big deals with Rogan's Spotify deal was supposed to be that he would be uncensored.

But yesterday I read something about some Spotify employees wanted to have approval of guests and interview questions beforehand.

I hope Rogan tells them to go piss up a rope. I suspect he will.

Rogan has been accused of letting Spotify pull some of his shows from the archive. The podfather worked with Joe in moving the show to Austin and was the first guest in the new studio.

He discussed, in his own podcast, the issue. Joe apparently has some other deals working and withheld those particular podcasts from Spotify for the other deals.

One of the things the podfather and his sidekick JCD emphasize continually is that IF they took any advertising or IF they took any money from anyone for sponsorship, they would quickly find certain things they could not discuss.

That is why they rely on voluntary donations from producers (as they call their listeners). They apparently each take about $100 large out of the show annually.

Joe used to be able to do that. It will be interesting to see how much censorship/control spotify exerts over him.

John Henry

daskol said...

I know some people here in Brooklyn who keep their weight-lifting regimen secret, but are public about their cycling/running/cardio workouts, because lifting weights makes progressives really uncomfortable. Trying to be strong is wrong. No shit, for real, not exaggerating--they don't want people to know they lift (it's ok for women to lift, though). It's a class thing, an aesthetic and behavioral standard where you're meant to avoid displays of masculinity, inherently toxic, and be unassuming physically. This phenomenon probably relates to why Howard Stern's show has gotten so terrible, although I think he just wants out, and alienating his audience is one way to make that happen.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

"Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!"

You could have stopped after the first 3 words.

This goes back to the Obama "Stimulus" law, that didn't have any "shovel ready jobs" in it because the feminists didn't want to see "their" government helping men.

In 2016, men started finally getting the hint. It will be interesting to see how many more men get the hint in 2020

rehajm said...

He lets people talk on his show. And he talks to conservatives. That's the real reason.

That's it. He's giving people a platform instead of propagating the propaganda.

daskol said...

I'm so used to this masculinity avoidance, that I'm genuinely surprised when I meet enthusiastic sports fans who profess progressive politics. Maybe all the kneeling and BLM affinity has changed things, but progressive hostility to competitive sports is rampant.

Freeman Hunt said...

"Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!"

They did that a long time ago!

Matt Harris said...

Joe Rogan realizes that there is more to life than politics and that politics isn't the most important thing. For those whose primary goal in life is about power over others, that is an incredibly dangerous idea that must be suppressed.

Big Mike said...

Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!

@Althouse, you could have ended your sentence after the third word, and for many additional reasons besides the one you gave.

Footnote: The Democrats think they are only giving up the manly men sector, but they are also giving up the “women who like their men to be manly sector,” possibly including a law Professor Emerita married to a manly man.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

The problem the "men-hating feminists" face is that they can't get to a majority.

If you're a woman who wants to get married, and have a husband that financially supports the family while you run it, you're opposed to the men-hating feminists.

If you're a man? Well, maybe if you think you can find a sugar momma who will take care of you.

But there's a lot more of the first group, than the second. So even though there's more women voters than men voters, "hating men" is still a losing proposition

Carol said...

I knew some of those old blue collar dems..so Democrat they voted for Wallace! LOL

They're all dead now.

n.n said...

he does not mean that Rogan holds conservative views on social issues: pro-choice, pro-transgender spectrum

Conservatism is moderating. American Conservatism is defined by well-established principles in The Declaration and The Constitution.

The Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic quasi-religion ("ethics"), is constructed on a foundation of diversity (i.e. denial of individual dignity, denial of individual conscience, normalization of color blocs, color quotas, and affirmative discrimination), conflation of logical domains, and exclusion (e.g. Planned Parenthood/cannibalized-child, selective-child/wicked solution).

The pro-transgender spectrum sects are known for their adoption of political congruence ("="), a sociopolitical construct of selective exclusion, and a Rainbow symbology that takes gay pride in exclusion of black, brown, and the shredded remains of white.

Liberalism is divergent. Progressivism is monotonic. #PrinciplesMatter

Just some rando on the interwebz said...

I like Glenn. He's is highly partisan but will call out his own side. Much like Rogan he is a not a total hack and that is something that today's "liberal" cannot tolerate.

wendybar said...

Because he tells the truth?? He doesn't tell one side of the story only??? He isn't a cheerleader for the Democrats, even if he agrees with some of their positions??? He didn't bow down, and drool over the name Obama???

Kevin said...

“OBEDIENCE IS NOT ENOUGH. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”. — Orwell

YoungHegelian said...

There's another & uglier explanation -- much of the modern Left is knee-jerk Stalinist. They have absolutely no use for free speech, and consider anyone who "platforms" right wing views (and they don't have to be "far-right") as enemies of the Revolution.

The same is the case for the members of the so-called "Intellectual Dark Web". To hear the Left talk about it, you'd think it was a cabal of the KKK & Aryan Nation & the American Nazi Party, when in truth, NONE of them voted for Trump in 2016, including the one Republican of the bunch. In fact, the largest fraction of the IDW members are BernieBros. Then why do they give the Left such heartburn? Because they actually believe in free speech.

D.D. Driver said...

He is more dangerous because he is on the left. When Rogan states the obvious---like arson is not a solution to complex problems or that Biden is flickering off and on---he can't simply be dismissed as a Trumper.

I expect the left to start attacking Taibbi for the same reason, if they haven't already started. He is also dabbling in the black art of Wrongthink.






daskol said...

Greenwald is not completely accurate re LGBT: Rogan is not comfortable with the trans dogma, and unapologetically questions it. I don't think you're allowed to question this dogma. I think that alone--see JK Rowling, for example--is enough to get him on the shit list as a dangerous free-thinker.

CJinPA said...

If the standard is that anyone who even entertains debates over the maxmialist [sic] and most controversial questions in this very new and evolving social movement is to be cast out as radioactive, liberalism and the Democratic Party will be a very small group.

Or, just as likely, it will be a very LARGE group of terrorized citizens.

I said before that Rogan's podcast will not last on Spotify or YouTube.

Bob Boyd said...

Rogan also famously said, Voting for Joe Biden was like taking a flashlight with low batteries on a long hike in the woods.

Howard said...

Who's the conservative Republican"Joe Rogan"? No such thing.

Rocketeer said...

Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!

Democrats own vast swaths of crude, but the ship has sailed on manly and it ain't coming back.

Birkel said...

BAG,
I would self-identify as a woman in order to avoid fighting Jon Jones.

JAORE said...

Liberal isn't good enough, progressive isn't good enough. Nothing is ever good enough except for very short periods of time to move the goalposts.

Joe isn't even Ivory Snow soap 99.44% pure.

He said OUT LOUD that Biden has dementia.

Sacrilege! Philistine! Nazi!

Don't you see it, Professor. If you had a voice as powerful as Joe R the long knives would point at you. But they'll be there soon enough.

bagoh20 said...

"Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!"

Crude isn't included. The left is far more crude.

The Conservatives didn't take masculinity - it was once universal. Democrats abandoned it, just as they have legality, fairness, history, bipartisanship, traditional liberalism, and truth. That left all of us who are not nuts on the outside in the audience watching the circus and animal acts. Millions of people who call themselves Democrats or liberal only share one thing with the new left: Trump hatred. That forces them to vote for circus animal power, even if they see the circus for what it is. TDS is a powerful and dangerous affliction - harder to quit than heroin.

I wonder what percentage of Trump voters are traditional liberals on most things. I bet a majority are. I've met lots of Trump voters lately, and very few have a problem with gays, minorities, or civil rights as they were understood just a few years ago. Those who do are mostly Trumpers too, but they have nowhere else to go either.

Sebastian said...

"As Joe Rogan’s Platform Grows, So Does the Media and Liberal Backlash. Why?"

Doesn't toe the line, occasionally challenges The Narrative, therefore doesn't serve the cause of prog power.

"The popular podcast host is a political liberal by all metrics."

Doesn't matter.

"So what explains the contempt he provokes in liberal circles?"

Contempt is a tool, especially useful to keep "liberals" in line.

"If the standard is that anyone who even entertains debates over the maxmialist [sic] and most controversial questions in this very new and evolving social movement is to be cast out as radioactive, liberalism and the Democratic Party will be a very small group"

Size is beside the point. Power is the point: progs are trying to leverage their institutional hegemony, e.g. in the media, to expand it.

"liberals care far more about proper culture signalling than they do about the much harder and more consequential work of actual politics...."

We're not talking about "liberals" here. Progs care about proper culture signaling because it affirms and solidifies dominance. Deviance must squashed. They are right to think of enforced cultural conformity as politically consequential.

AA: "Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!"

No. The manly sector is part of the patriarchy and must be destroyed. It stands in the way of pure prog power and must be destroyed. Manly men are on the decline anyway, and Dems calculate that they can attract enough unmanly men along with the nice women of America a to prevail. They may calculate wrong, but they are not crazy.

Mikey NTH said...

Masculinity is toxic. To Democrats.

bagoh20 said...

Rogan is too normal for the left to accept his success and the reach of his show.

bagoh20 said...

The problem with the question is "liberal circles". There may be circles, but they are not liberal, and they resemble circular firing squads.

Amexpat said...

liberals care far more about proper culture signalling than they do about the much harder and more consequential work of actual politics

Agree. And it's going to get worse. Because the core divide is culturally/educational rather than by wealth or historic political affiliations. A good chunk of those now graduating from US universities have been indoctrinated with a naïve SJW worldview.

This hit home for me when a cousin recently asked for some job tips for her son who had just graduated from college. I had only meet him once, when he was in HS. Found him then to be a good natured, sensible kid on his way to becoming an Eagle Scout. I checked his FB feed and saw, near the top, one post asking his black friends to help him better understand his white privilege. Another post instructed any of his FB friends who were Trump supporters to defriend him to save him the effort of defriended them. I dislike Trump, but I find this even more distasteful.

I just don't understand why US parents shell out big bucks for a college education today.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Bay Area Guy said...

Liberals get upset when their fog of delusion gets punctured, so they're not gonna like Rogan too much.

Can you blame them? They spent a lot of time, effort and money getting degrees from "good" schools that say they're smarter that everyone else. You think they're going to stand for a dope like Rogan proving them wrong? Even if they really are wrong?


Also, Greenwald doesn't mention it, but there's this from yesterday: Spotify Employees Demanding Direct Editorial Oversight Over Joe Rogan Podcasts — Before They’re Published

Yancey Ward said...

When Rogan's Spotify deal was announced, I predicted in the comments section that Spotify would eventually force him to comply with progressive demands, or just take him off the service. The clock is ticking.

Fernandinande said...

Why does Greenwald hate female athletes? Gynoathlematophobia?

"Moreover, though polling data is sparse, the data that is available show[s] that there is still much work to do in this area — only a small minority of Americans believe it is fair to allow trans women to participate in female professional sports."

clint said...

It's not politics. It's class.

His mannerisms are all blue-collar, working-class white guy.

Deplorable.

Kevin said...

Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!

This is their entire strategy. They are going for 51% of the women’s vote with the additional votes of beta and henpecked males.

Why else are most of the BLM protesters women? Why else are they constantly telling their voters to “get in their faces” and ensure those they know are voting the “correct way”?

Why else have they been bashing Trump every day for his “lack of civility” and inability to bow to the demands of the shrillest harpies?

He’ll, it’s got them up 8 points nationally!

Watch the difference between Schumer and Trump around Pelosi. It tells you everything.

Clayton Hennesey said...

Spotify Employees Reportedly Want Editorial Control Over Joe Rogan Podcasts

https://screenrant.com/spotify-joe-rogan-podcast-editorial-control-complaints/

Dust Bunny Queen said...

So Joe doesn't fit perfectly into the Liberals defined box. He isn't 100% in lockstep like a good little robot.

We can't have THAT!!! He must obey, conform, and cease any independent thought or else he will be destroyed.

This is what Liberals are now. Rigid, uncompromising, violent, vindictive, punishing of any perceived heresy.

traditionalguy said...

Trump has once again exposed the audiences to the reality of one on one battle that has one trophy winner. As crude as that sounds it is the only honor that can actually be won in American life. Play acting cowards hate that. And this applies to intellectual life as well as brute male life. There will be only one winner in a battle and the rest are the losers. Ergo: a competent and loyal battle leader is the sine qua non.

Rogan’s sin is expressing these rules of life. Victims do not win anything except sympathy.

Yancey Ward said...

Completely off topic (mostly), but hilarious nonetheless.

Rusty said...

Everything I've watched has been pretty even handed. And besides. The guy hunts.

Temujin said...

Too late. We've already got a monopoly on the crude manly sector.

The reality is that Joe Rogan is probably more like the bulk of Americans than anybody presently decrying him. I know that doesn't make him palatable for the Left who, if nothing else, has actual mandates to enforce a singular way of speech and thought, but it does make him immensely popular across the country.

Which is why his move to Texas is a natural progression.

Rick said...

He's missing a big part of the answer. Because left wingers control traditional media they oppose all alternatives including Rogan to maintain their monopoly. We saw this at the opening of the blog era with first libertarians and the conservatives embracing blogs. Liberals spent most of the first decade of blogs deriding them as unemployed, in their mothers' basement, and in their pajamas. Their goal was to ensure blogging remained insular and without influence thus preserving their monopoly.

When liberals realized this wasn't working they joined, but their ethos was different. Rather than dialogue their effort was to shout others down and increase the noise to information ratio pushing people to abandon the format and return to the left-controlled formats. They're doing the same to Rogan, cherry-picking his worst positions, misrepresenting what they mean and implying anyone listening to him is probably a racist.

There's only one page in the left's playbook.

Leland said...

I don't know if Democrats are crazy to let that happen, but Republicans are smart to distance themselves from that stigma. The Republican preference for the traditional family is important, but it shouldn't be managed by government beyond getting government out of the way.

I agree with this: "Democrats didn't "let" conservatives take possession, Democrats thrust it upon them." They thought it would be a wedge to Republicans to characterize Trump as crude and manly. Instead, it made Trump more relatable to the masses. It is one strength that Biden used to have and was sufficient to gain Biden the candidacy. But Democrats can't help themselves right now when it comes to wanting to frame things in black/white distinctions. They were popular when they were the party of the grey zone.

TheOne Who Is Not Obeyed said...

So crude manliness is now "culturally conservative"? As opposed to the behaviors of those who are "socially conservative" or"politically conservative"? Seems the media is now making up yet more new, fallacious categories to fit their preferred, elitist worldview. Sorta like "white Hispanic".

Kate said...

Same energy with Trump's golden room from the other day.

My mind keeps returning to a substack post I read from Gray Mirror. Harsh but ringing more and more true: we have a clerical oligarchy. Opinion matters more than law or democracy.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Rogan is a UFC sportscaster. He observes real men fighting. There's no affirmative action, there's no biased refs, there's no #metooism, there's no politics - just two badasses in the ring. (A few badass women too). Toughest guy wins. No consolation prize.”

One of my few claims to fame as a patent attorney was that I was the UFC patent attorney. It was actually a bit funny. We had them as clients for their casino business, which moved to including the UFC as they grew. There was significant overlap between our IP and Entertainment practice groups. But then our UFC attorneys apparently realized that they could do better on their own, and left. But they didn’t have a patent attorney so I kept representing the UFC. Never got to see a live match (according to one of our female attys who did, it is a lot more intense, esp close up), but did meet the owners and top management a couple times. Zuffa HQ was located just a little west of their Palace Station casino/hotel on Sahara at the time (for those who know Las Vegas). Apparently cost the Fertittas a couple million, and they rode it up to several billion when they sold out.

gahrie said...

Rogan is attacked from the Left precisely because he engages in the battle of ideas. The Left has invested an awful lot of time and energy in attempting to destroy the battlefield of ideas with identity politics and cancel culture. The reason why is because they are unable to engage in any such battles and win. This is not necessarily because of the worth of their ideas, but rather because they are unable or unwilling to examine their ideas critically, and thus unable to defend them.

tim in vermont said...

If a man offers to help a woman with her heavy suitcase or to parallel park her car, what should she make of the offer?

Is it an innocuous act of courtesy? Or is it a sexist insult to her strength and competence?

Social psychologists who describe this behavior as “benevolent sexism” firmly favor the latter view.

But researchers have also revealed a paradox: Women prefer men who behave in ways that could be described as benevolently sexist over those who don’t.

How could this be?


LOL.

https://theconversation.com/why-women-including-feminists-are-still-attracted-to-benevolently-sexist-men-101067

Maybe Rogan likes pussy?

Nonapod said...

Weirdly the Joe Rogan podcast may be the most important outlet for real discussion and debate in our modern times. I don't always agree with Rogan himself, but I recognize the significance and importance of his platform. He has a vast audience, and he invites a wide array of guests with differing views. He's clearly a strong advocate for the free expression of ideas. And the fact that he has rustled the jimmies of the "elite liberal culture" just indicates that he must be doing something right.

tim in vermont said...

We found that strong feminists rated men [who were benevolently sexist] as more patronizing and undermining than traditional women did. But like the other women, they still found these men more attractive

Yep. The surest way to lose an election is to drink the Kool-Aide that the fringe is handing out.

Unknown said...

Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!

Democrats are bullies, but typically they are bullies in girlie ways. They bully you by going behind your back and talking shit about you, while they are friendly to your face. They are passive-aggressive bullies. Democrats accuse you of sex harassment if you look at them funny, and they call you rapist if you try to give them a hug. Democrats say Biden is a rapist, but they're going to vote for him anyway. And you have to vote for him also, or else.

If you are eating dinner, Democrats will scream at you until you give them a black power salute. And you say, "But I'm a white guy." And they scream at you louder. And then you say, "And you're white, too." Then they pull out their cell phone and take a selfie of all their screaming. And they post it on-line because they think people will like them for their commitment.

2020 is so messed up because Democrats are starting fires and riots, which is not a girly thing to do. This is because the girls of the Democrat party no longer think a penis or vagina is relevant at all. And they end up arrested or crying or very unhappy about their lack of manliness. And they think people in uniform with guns should disarm everybody else with guns. Also the MMA should be illegal and nobody should eat meat. And if you're a baby, they'll stab you. But they won't eat you, because that would be icky. Also it would not be vegetarianism.

Rick said...

Bay Area Guy said...No woman is gonna "self-identify" as a man to fight, Jon Jones. Not.gonna.happen.

The reverse has in fact occurred though, a birth male with the trans surgery fought women.
Here's what Joe Rogan said about it:

"UFC color commentator and stand-up comedian Joe Rogan opposed Fallon Fox receiving licensing, saying, "First of all, she's not really a she. She's a transgender, post-op person. The operation doesn't shave down your bone density. It doesn't change. You look at a man's hands and you look at a woman's hands and they're built different. They're just thicker, they're stronger, your wrists are thicker, your elbows are thicker, your joints are thicker. Just the mechanical function of punching, a man can do it much harder than a woman can, period."

Here's what one of his opponents said:

"During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. After her loss, Brents took to social media to convey her thoughts on the experience of fighting Fox: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch..."

Interesting to note: the Fox-Brents fight was in 2014 when Fox was 38 years old - long into the timeline of physical decline. And yet the physical difference was still this great between a top rank woman and Fox who (if competing against men) could not have won a match against any professional.

mezzrow said...

Too late. The party hasn't wanted any of that in so long.

If you're a Democrat and say you like that stuff out loud, you have to leave the room.

Then you have to leave the party. Them's the new rules.

Gk1 said...

Liberals just can't abide an opposing view, it's that simple. Living in the bay area I see it all the time. They really have become the political movement for women. Its not enough you say "Fine, o.k" and let them win the argument, they also want and demand you be happy about it too.

Rogan is a hero to me just because he refuses to fold (at least yet)to orthodox liberal views. He did go wobbly last week apologizing for saying fires in California & North West were set by arsonists. Some were, so I am disappointed he folded on that.

Its fitting that a liberal like Greenwald would need write this as he has also been excommunicated from the church of liberalism for debunking and ridiculing the Russian Collusion hoax. Liberals still can't accept this simple truth and its sad, even after all of the evidence has been exposed it was manufactured horse shit.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

if the Trump interview happens will that be the nail in his 'liberal' coffin?

Lincolntf said...

"Far right views", meaning they don't want to destroy Capitalism and replace it with Radical Socialism. Anything less than the deconstruction of the U.S.A. is "far right" in the minds of the modern Left.

Rory said...

To be square with progressive ideology, you have to swallow all the crazy stuff. That's how they know they can count on you.

cacimbo said...

You covered this yesterday.The award shows are all about showcasing what the left approves of. Which is -

"A man who [inaudible] a little bit like a woman but is still officially a man."

They find Rogan type manliness unacceptable. Which is odd considering all the support for the violent rioters.

n.n said...

No woman is gonna "self-identify" as a man to fight,

There are, however, males who self-identify as females. The trans/neo band of the transgender spectrum. Trans/homos are not aided by their identification in this context. The trans/neo-females are formidable, brutal adversaries of females. Perhaps they can match them in strength, bone density, lung capacity classes to control collateral damage forced by disparate circumstances.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Rogan Just Doesn't Give A F*ck.

The guy is a phoney. He just apologized for say left-wing radicals have been setting fire out west. Let's see an BLM organizer was caught lighting a fire. A person associated with Antifa was caught lighting fires. 4-5 other derelicts and ne'er-do-wells have also been arrested for the fires but Mr. Gives no fucks was just groveling for forgiveness.

What happened to his old shows he promised never to delete and then deleted them.

Oh and the proud liberal moved to Texas to save money on taxes after signing his big contract.

tcrosse said...

It seems strange that our Leftists are contemptuous of the Workers and Peasants, which Lenin would call the true revolutionary class

Gilligan said...

>""As Joe Rogan’s Platform Grows, So Does the Media and Liberal Backlash. Why?

Rogan holds a (prestigious, highly compensated) position they feel is rightfully theirs. Millennials and GenZ are living in the "Evil Spock" world, where you can only advance by knocking off someone else.... which, in turn, explains why so many (most) of the cancelled were working in left-of-center strongholds.

Paul said...

Maybe this guy gives people a fair shake on the show... liberal, but not a zealot.

tim in vermont said...

Ladies, you know this is a turn on:

Actress Ali Wentworth said she and her husband, Good Morning America anchor George Stephanopoulos, both ended up crying in the family car for 45 minutes after he told her that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died.

tim in vermont said...

On the other hand this is the kind of man that feminists purport to hate due to his retrograde views:

A good Samaritan is outraged because he risked his life to save a mom and her kids from a violent pervert at Hudson River Park—only to learn the suspect was quickly released without bail. “It’s basically a lawless free-for-all,” hero Denis Goncharov lamented of New York City, after learning that the suspect will remain free until a December court date. “Like in the movie ‘Joker,'” he told The Post. As a dad of two grade-school-age girls himself, Goncharov, 33, says he didn’t think twice about leaping between a terrified family and a deranged man who had walked up... - New York Post

Virgil Hilts said...

I discovered Rogan much later than most, and do not listen to all of his shows. My wife does not appreciate him. You have to watch/listen to him for awhile before you grasp why he's so good. I don't think he does a great of a job interviewing Elon Musk, but where else could you get the experience of a weird intimate 3 hour chat with probably the most interesting human on the planet. Also his recent interview with Ben Shapiro was really awkward but great. Rogan forced Shapiro to come clean on some stuff and I thought it was one of the more interesting welfare debates I had ever seen.

chuck said...

Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!

What about the tough broad sector?

Her own personal heroes were the "cowgirls" from Colorado State who lived in her dorm. They were "tough broads!", she said, "I had never been around women who were tough before, and it had a huge impact on me. Huge."

-- Mary Cleave, former astronaut.

Bob said...

I don't really watch Rogan's show beyond the clips Althouse posts. So, I don't know if he invites any of his censor-happy critics on, but if not, he should. Show them some clips of rioters brutalizing people with businesses to protect and ask them how such conduct furthers the cause of "social justice".

Scott said...

I did the Ctrl+F for "tribal" and got nothing. That's the issue that Greenwald is missing. Democrats don't give a flying fuck about public policy. They're about identifying and discussing and conforming to the cultural affects of their tribe. Rogan is a Democrat in public policy, but that means very little to other Democrats. No modern Democrat is non-tribal.

Trump is doing a lot to expose this Democrat tribalist garbage-culture. Biggest recent example is the Abraham accords. This is a breakthrough that answered the prayers of two generations of peace-loving people. Trump is nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Democrat and media reaction? It's no big deal, it's all window dressing. And that's the dominant narrative now.

American politics will never completely move away from tribalism; but right now we're choking on it. I wish Tulsi Gabbard wasn't knifed so early in the nominating process. She was a Democrat that distanced herself somewhat from the tribal bullshit. If she ran against Trump I might have voted for her. But this election my only real choice is Trump.

rhhardin said...

Klavan says the media are the guardian of the public's ignorance.

walter said...

The guy moved from California to Texas!
String him up!

Narayanan said...

Should we bring back THE SCARLET LETTER =>>> 1A

Michael said...

Liberalism is far too fey for modern Progressives. They want blood and guts, and slavish adherence to the narrative. A whole lot of this is cosplay, but it looks the same on Twitter.

Ryan said...

What John Lynch said in the first comment.

Ryan said...

It's ABC, which is owned by Disney, which also owns ESPN, the sports-themed social justice network.

Mike Petrik said...

"Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!"

Dems have decided masculinity is toxic, whether or not it is crude.

veni vidi vici said...

More and more, the Democrats' picture of "manliness" is Tim Cook, that effete fella who wears Mr. Rogers shoes and has the affect of a post-menopausal grandmother.

Sad but true.

hstad said...

AA - I'm trying to understand why I should care about "Joe Rogan's" political beliefs? I hate this effort by both sides to 'shoehorn' my political beliefs into some 'Tribes' beliefs. My political beliefs have changed over the years, like most people's, only the 'rabid narrative believers' stick to such long time beliefs and refuse to understand life's changes - both on the Left and Right.

tim in vermont said...

They had kind of kicked Greenwald off The Intercept for questioning the premise of the impeachment, maybe, or the FBI and CIA’s right to control politics, but I guess they have let him back on. Maybe because time bore his opinions out.

Krumhorn said...

There is psychosis loose in leftieland. The disconnect from reality is palpable. One of the key indicators is the blind bug-eyed fury at little things. Rogan does not toe the Critical Social Justice theory line where the epistemology of what you know has nothing to do with evidence and close analysis; it has everything to do with what you want to be true. If you say it loudly and angrily enough, it becomes truth that brooks no rebuttal. Rogan doesn't work like that.

Another key indicator is the overheated rhetoric at the extreme. Rogan doesn't indulge in it and he challenges extreme rhetoric.

Lefties, being nasty little shits, cannot abide any departure from their psychosis bubble. Plus, leftie males are cucks and betas.

- Krumhorn


wildswan said...

JK Rowling is somewhat like Joe Rogan in that she is enormously popular and supports all the liberal positions - gay marriage, abortion etc. But the culture is trying to cancel her because of her position or what they suppose to be her position on trans issues. I've been reading Lethal White and Troubled Blood, the last two books in her Cormoran Strike mystery series, trying to see if she has come over to the dark side as the Kancel Kings are saying. She has not. Nor is she on her way over here. I would say that she is setting mysteries in secular English culture as it exists in the 21C. One reason why her mysteries are hard to figure out is the mist of stereotypes, 21C stereotypes, which swirls around and shrouds the true human situation which has given rise to the murder. And I think this statement that mental and moral effort is required is what she is now hated for. And it's why I like her despite it all. She suggests in every book about Strike and Robin Ellacott that in a lefty society, the only one she writes about, the truth is hidden by preconceptions, by careerist thinking, by bureaucracy, by stereotyping, by lazy, sloppy thinking and work. She has hundreds of brutally unsympathetic portraits of leftys at all levels of secularized English society. What she saying on every page is that even in lefty society you still have to make a great effort mental and moral effort to find the truth even about your friends or your parents, let alone to find the truth about a deliberately hidden human motivation which has caused actual murder. And most people aren't doing that. Rowling's Ship of Fools approach is so wide-ranging that I'm sure every rotten-hearted lefty of every type in England or America has found himself, herself or theirself skewered on the pages of this series. Us righties fare no better, in fact worse - there are no good people on the right, but we are used to it. The left isn't used to the idea that they are a mixture, good, bad, comic, sweet, smug, horrible. They can't take it. Cancel Rowling, they cry. [Also, in her last book, she spends a lot of time depicting figures from the Seventies as they are now - old, bald, fat, senile, skinny, cancer-stricken, dying, whatever - and still mouthing Seventies slogans. It's about a much fun as the everlasting rain, mist, drizzle, cloud, chill, gray etc. but it's real as the weather. And it's also not a popular move, I'm sure.]

dustbunny said...

I love reading Bay Area Guy’s posts and I miss the ponytail guy. Where did he go?

n.n said...

Dems have decided masculinity is toxic, whether or not it is crude.

Yes, a judgment and label of a whole gender, not the feminine political myth, but masculine. A milestone in rabid diversity. They tried to do this previously in order to calm the cognitive dissonance and justify Planned Parenthood, including Cecile and Mengele clinics, selective-child ("wicked solution") and cannibalized-child ("redistributive and recycled parts"), respectively, for social and medical progress, by painting the masculine gender, the so-called "patriarchy" as misogynistic and advocates of rape... rape-rape culture h/t Whoopi.

Francisco D said...

daskol said...
I know some people here in Brooklyn who keep their weight-lifting regimen secret, but are public about their cycling/running/cardio workouts, because lifting weights makes progressives really uncomfortable. Trying to be strong is wrong. No shit, for real, not exaggerating--they don't want people to know they lift

Muscles = toxic masculinity

That needed to be on a Seinfeld episode.

Night said...

I listen to Rogan every week. He'll sell out to his Spotify deal by agreeing to curate his guest list. What he was advocating as his podcasting style isn't feasible in the Spotify world. He'll call on "Great" guests but you won't see a Joey Diaz being called on anymore. Joe will work something else out with him.

If he is serious about being "Joe Rogan" he'll bring back Dr Debra Soh and the other lady who writes on Trans issues. Move that conversation along as it is one that protects children.

He's like me probably. A bernie supporter at one time but now seeing Trump as the only long term path to individual freedom in this country.

How come he doesn't get Althouse on one of his episodes?

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

I wonder what percentage of Trump voters are traditional liberals on most things.

I'm one.

wholelottasplainin' said...

Howard said...
Who's the conservative Republican"Joe Rogan"? No such thing.
******************

Watch Tucker almost any night. Plenty of progs on his show.

He destroys them, as he would you.

JaimeRoberto said...

Actress Ali Wentworth said she and her husband, Good Morning America anchor George Stephanopoulos, both ended up crying in the family car for 45 minutes after he told her that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died.

But did they record a rant on TikTok? Apparently that's how it's done these days.

EsoxLucius said...

As opposed to the Republican picture of manliness, a Cheeto mascara wearing, bouffant haircut, tub of lard who can't go down a ramp because of bone spurs.

dreams said...

Liberal men are not real men, they've even quit trying to be men. The liberal Democratic party is just a bunch of womens, aka women, they're womens regardless of their sex. And oh yeah, they're also losers, liberal losers.

DKWalser said...

So, according to Greenwald, liberals dislike Rogan for the same reason NeverTrumpers dislike Trump. Both Rogan and Trump are NOKD (Not our kind, Dear). It's a matter of class. In the eyes of their 'betters', neither Rogan nor Trump have class. That cannot be tolerated.

Unknown said...

Haven't you heard the caricature of the Left as soi boies? Manly men are in fact more likely to be conservative. Weight lifting encourages one to be more self-confident and less interested in gov help (according to a study I am too lazy to find).

Bay Area Guy said...

In addition to Rogan, Greenwald is pretty damn good for a liberal.

He thinks the Russian Collusion hoax was a hoax. He hates the FISA Court, the Deep State, likes Trump's peace initiatives and he's been de facto banned from Rachel Maddow's show.

True, he probably loves Bernie, but, Hey, at least he has a brain and thinks. Not a lot of that on the Left.

BUMBLE BEE said...

TOO FUNNY! https://twitter.com/i/status/1308444868595912705

Clyde said...

You could have just stopped at "Democrats are crazy" and you would have been correct.

bobby said...

I've loved the guy ever since seeing him in four years of NewsRadio back in the 90's. He played a guy very much like . . . Joe Rogan!

I always thought he was like Tony Danza with a dark side.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Why, aren't you pissy, EsoxLucius.

I'd like to see Slow Joe keep up Trump's schedule for a week, including speaking for 2 hours at rallies.

He'd be dead in 3 days. So would most liberal soi bois.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

JaimeRoberto said...
Actress Ali Wentworth said she and her husband, Good Morning America anchor George Stephanopoulos, both ended up crying in the family car for 45 minutes after he told her that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died."

You have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at this.

frenchy said...

Straight white males who self-identify as liberal Democrats invariably sprang from broken homes and were raised by angry women. Always. Rogan is the prototype.

Leora said...

They hate him because he will will let anyone talk on his platform. He won't enforce the narrative that everyone who objects to the lefty view is a subhuman monster.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

The emasculation of the Dem party explains why their favorite tactic is to attack viciously and then cry victim when they're called to account. Antifa scum have been doing that since the riots started.

It's a game I remember well from my days at a parochial all-girl's school.

LakeLevel said...

The left's Stalinist hatred of free speech is only half the story. The other half is sexism and racism. Leftist Camille Paglia can be forgiven her questioning of leftist dogma because she is a Lesbian. Hetero White male Joe gets no consideration unless he adheres 100 percent to the left wing line. Many former Democrat men have been turned off by the party's intolerance.

Gospace said...

I have read all the previous comments- and still don't have a clue why I should know or care about Joe Rogan.

Ottawa said...

On one of his podcasts, concerning abortion, Rogan said do what you want, just don’t tell me you’re not ending a life.

Nichevo said...


Blogger EsoxLucius said...
As opposed to the Republican picture of manliness


I went to your profile to look at your picture of manliness but saw only a cold fish and someone who apparently can't spell the name of his own profession. Or, doctor, what is a diagnostic "toxocogist?"

Craig said...

Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!

Their strategy seems to be to eliminate masculinity altogether by labeling it "toxic", etc. To their credit, against all of nature's rules, it seems to be working!

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Virgil Hilts said...

Also his recent interview with Ben Shapiro was really awkward but great. Rogan forced Shapiro to come clean on some stuff and I thought it was one of the more interesting welfare debates I had ever seen.

Shapiro speaks in talking points. A lot of that was Rogan forcing him to explain what he was saying and it made Shapiro look bad because he couldn't back up what he was saying.

That's Rogan's genius as an interviewer; he isn't a political or news junkie and doesn't really follow Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. He has to have things explained to him and you get a lot more unvarnished opinion out of his guests than if they were on one of the network shows being interviewed by a talking head.

Rusty said...

"Democrats are crazy to let conservatism take possession of the crude, manly sector!"
They can't help it. They have no men left anymore. Just look at our usual suspects.

BudBrown said...

This reminds me of the Smothers Brothers skit where the guys are on a ship dressed as pirates
singing "Men, men, men, men. Men, men, men, men. Couple years later, in maybe 71 or 72, Dick Smothers was a driver of a car that did pretty well at Sebring and word going around was that he was seen waving a big American flag in celebration. fwiw

tim in vermont said...

"Men, men, men, men. Men, men, men, men.”

That was the Smothers Brothers? I thought one of the lyrics was “So throw the condoms overboard, there’s no one here but men, men, men, men.”

Which was obviously pre-AIDS.

JAORE said...

Actress Ali Wentworth said she and her husband, Good Morning America anchor George Stephanopoulos, both ended up crying in the family car for 45 minutes after he told her that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died.

But, as I've been beaten over the head with a thousand times, MSM doesn't take sides....

Sam L. said...

Joe Rogan????? The HORROR!! The horror...

Terry Ott said...

Haven’t seen much of Rogan because of timing. But my impression is that a listener/viewer cannot always be 100% sure of what he will say about stuff. He is sincere and evenhanded.

I think I just described the characteristics that are most troubling, even abhorrent, to a staunch liberal.

Terry Ott said...

Haven’t seen much of Rogan because of timing. But my impression is that a listener/viewer cannot always be 100% sure of what he will say about stuff. He is sincere and evenhanded.

I think I just described the characteristics that are most troubling, even abhorrent, to a staunch liberal.

Sgtpepper said...

I wonder what percentage of Trump voters are traditional liberals on most things.

Another one.