"Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) summed it up earlier in the week: 'The woke-topians will . . . disarm you, empty the prisons, lock you in your home and invite MS-13 to live next door.' All this scaremongering was accompanied by outright slander of Mr. Biden, against whom Republicans leveled unsubstantiated corruption charges — and whose record and platform alike Mr. Trump distorted into almost a parody of radicalism.... In this fictional realm, a man who lauded white supremacists as 'very fine people' becomes a champion of racial comity, and a leader who ignored warnings about the pandemic actually sets the global standard for disease response.... The conjured specter of widespread 'urban violence,' combined with warnings that the dictatorial Democrats against 'guns, gasoline and God' would force Americans to wear masks, lock them down and keep them from church, may well resonate with people the GOP is aiming to fire up. And the falsely comforting portrait of the president may soothe those the party is hoping to persuade: giving them permission to support someone whose values jar their consciences by pretending his values are something else altogether."
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"Trump desecrates a public monument in the finale to a convention of lies" by the Editorial Board of The Washington Post. Oddly, somebody chose a haloed image of the President to illustrate their condemnation:
I could laugh, but I won't, at "In this fictional realm, a man who lauded white supremacists as 'very fine people'...." WaPo editors speak of Trump's "fictional realm" while plainly displaying themselves as existing in their own fictional realm,
the one in which Trump "lauded white supremacists as 'very fine people.'"
The haloed image could be understood as sarcasm. Biden is the light of the world. Trump is
darkness. I do think it works to command attention to the
hand gesture, because I fell into a reverie about paintings... but which paintings?! I linger over the hand gesture. What paintings am I thinking of? St. Thomas in
"The Last Supper"?
"Salvator Mundi"?
Plato in
"The School of Athens"?
Or am I supposed to see
the white power "OK" sign?
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Weird how much mileage the collective left get out of "very fine people" quote lifted out of context and distorted and manipulated.
WaPo are LIARS
Also - Biden's criminal acts to enrich his son while he was VP are not "UNSUBSTANTIATED" - they are in fact REAL. Why the FBI, CIA, and DOJ won't place the Bidens under investigation is the true crime.
"by outright slander of Mr. Biden, against whom Republicans leveled unsubstantiated corruption charges"
Good one. You might have a second career in Vegas.
For 47 years Old Joe has received a public paycheck for his "public service." And what's he accomplished? Becoming unbelievably wealthy!
No, there's no corruption there. None. Pure as the driven snow. Not a whiff of underhanded dealings.
That's some high level projection by the Amazon Post editorial board.
As Ann points out, the left accuses Trump of lying.... before they begin their own lies.
I just ordered a Christ Pantocrator for our new school room (once upon a time the dining room). I love the depiction of Jesus with his hand raised in blessing. We need him to bless our educational efforts.
To keep our eyes on the prize, I also ordered a custom wooden sign from Etsy with our education motto: Seek Diligently Truth, Goodness and Beauty.
Joe is unable to defend himself, as we see in his "interview" with Cooper on CNN.
The lefties/LLR-lefties have been writing the same convention analysis for republicans for the last 50 years. Zero deviation.
The problem for the lefties/LLR-lefties this time is that the clear brilliance of the republican convention got thru to too many people in too many places across too many groups. Those people actually saw the convention and every component of the well designed event is easily viewed everywhere on social media until social media giants decide to cut off all conservatives, which I estimate will now be mid September.
I used to think they would wait until the beginning of October for the stretch run before shutting down all conservative speech online but you know, and I know, that they know what has happened in the last 3 months spells doom for the dems so all previous plans have to be thrown out the window and the timelines for dem shenanigans will have to be accelerated.
I expect the corrupt DA Cyrus Vance Jr to conjure up some indictment of some Trump family member for some made up reason by September (which will be kicked to the curb...after the election), Biden's corpse handlers have already announced Biden will start making public appearances (Weekend at Bernie's), we are due for at least 2 more fake Post Office/Ukraine phone call hoax "scandals", at least 4 more "books" written by "insiders" will be released, Russia collusion hoaxery has already been relaunched at least twice, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if the dems/LLR-lefties resurrect the "Trump will step down" lunacy to try and whip up their moronic street shock troops.
I wanna know how the left settled on 'dark' as the talking point to distribute to their media helpers. Seems racist...
...and now we wait for the Trump bounce from the polls. When you don't see those polls you'll know it's a big one...
Journalism is dead. All for the greater good.
Has the WaPo disqualified itself as legitimate journalism with its deliberate misquoting of "very fine people", Althouse?
It is (almost) impossible to believe that the"Editorial board" of the WaPo is so unskilled at language to not understand the context of the "both sides" lie.
Therefore they:
Choose to perpetuated an abhorrent, racially divisive lie, and
Assume their audience is too stupid to understand or hate Trump enough to cheer a lie.
That's some high level projection by the Amazon Post editorial board.
Sure is. Hey, are there any editorials about the guillotine op in front of Bezos's house?
Democracy Dies in Darkness!
I can't tell if the Republicans are purposely telling what they know to be crazy-ass lies/propaganda in a scorched-earth attempt to ensure Trump wins again, or if they're really so crazy-assed to really believe the lies/progaganda they're shitting out of their mouths.
Probably most of them are telling knowing lies, but others are almost certainly stupid and/or crazy enough to believe their own gibberish.
There's little question that their base who avidly eat up the slops are stupid and/or crazy.
Mr. Biden, against whom Republicans leveled unsubstantiated corruption charges
Oh no! Not unsubstantiated corruption charges!
[eyeroll]
I am trying to imagine the group of people who fit into all of these sets:
1. Get their news from the Washington Post editorial board.
2. Could, in some way, be convinced to vote for Trump.
3. Refuse to do any research other than accepting what the Washington Post editorial board says is always true.
I'm suspecting that is not a null set, but it is probably unfathomably small.
Republicans leveled unsubstantiated corruption charges ....
That's not how they're supposed to say it.
They're supposed to say: Republicans leveled corruption charges, without evidence ....
For the WaPo, "unsubstantiated" means only that Biden has not yet confessed.
"For 47 years Old Joe has received a public paycheck for his "public service." And what's he accomplished? Becoming unbelievably wealthy!"
Sure, but you condemn Alzheimer Joe with a job description that fits nearly all of them (on both sides of the aisle)!
a man who lauded white supremacists as 'very fine people'
They will be very pissed that their lie, told a zillion times, will not prevent the re-election of President Trump.
The haloed image could be understood as sarcasm.
If it is sarcasm, it is a poor attempt. The Presidential Seal/halo effect was used over and over again during the Obama administration in a non-sarcastic way. I doubt WaPo's target audience will take it as anything else but praise.
Between this and the NYT article that very fairly related the events of the Kenosha shootings, I'm starting to think there's a few moles in the media, who are finally acting.
The RNC Convention was high production value - certainly as compared to the DNC's weeklong infomercial on Zoom.
Minor quibble - I thought Trump's speech was too long. I think shorter woulda worked better.
As for the WaPost jaded interpretation of the convention, I say ho-hum. Nobody cares what they write. It's no longer journalism, it's Jeff Bezos' vanity project. It's like if I had $80 Billion in the bank, I'd buy a team of racehorses, trainers & jockeys - but I wouldn't worry too much when I lost.
unsubstantiated corruption charges
In the case of Ukraine I'd say they're reasonably well substantiated. His son did in fact benefit from a sinecure at a large energy company for no justifiable reason other than favortism. And then an official who was investigating this company was removed at the behest of Biden. Biden bragged about this on camera. Some still may quibble about the justifications for the prosecuters removal I suppose, but to dismiss the whole affair as "unsubstantiated" is pretty misleading I think.
a man who lauded white supremacists as 'very fine people'
As everyone around here knows, of course Trump never referred to white supremacists as "fine people". Some still pretend that he did because it fits their narrative of Trump being a monster. It's tedious, but I've learned that even if you take the time to completely deconstruct everything Trump actually said, people will still choose to believe in a lie.
a leader who ignored warnings about the pandemic
Honestly, this is pretty absurd given what the vast majority of the top level Dems were saying and doing in the weeks leading up to the shutdown.
The RNC needs to counter-punch the 'fine people' hoax.
Find a clip of Biden saying something innocuous like, 'Not all blacks are stupid.'
Then buy millions of dollars of ad time claiming Biden said, '...all blacks are stupid.'
Context. Fight fire with fire.
Good idea re a schoolroom motto.
In the unlikely case of us having to do homeschooling (grandchildren, in a state of emergency?), I think my old school motto will do - "Religio Mores Cultura".
Our mascots will be, of course, the venerable archers Flaco y Gordo.
You could reasonably add “unsubstantiated corruption charges” to the irony of the fictional realm. I would call the substantiation enough for probable cause.
- Krumhorn
It is sort of a inverted color picture of what Trump actually said, a color negative.
Well, there is no question of what side they are on.
I wonder what beef Bezos has vs Trump & co, what conflict of interests. One would think he of all people has a degree of independence and can direct the policy of his entirely owned media outlet as suits his whims.
WAPO is in full campaign mode. Complete with their own set of lies and distortions.
They don't even try to hide it anymore.
Sure, but you condemn Alzheimer Joe with a job description that fits nearly all of them (on both sides of the aisle)!
Another time I agree with Cook. The exception, of course, is Trump but Cook cannot say that.
Biden was a little sleazier but the principle is the same.
"Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) summed it up earlier in the week: 'The woke-topians will . . . disarm you, empty the prisons, lock you in your home and invite MS-13 to live next door.'"
Well, Gaetz summed up part of it. WaPO forgot to mention Herschel Walker, Ann Dorn, Nick Sandmann, Clarence Henderson, etc. etc. Obviously, the convention drew a contrast with the destructive Dems. But the main thrust was positive and upbeat.
"All this scaremongering was accompanied by outright slander of Mr. Biden, against whom Republicans leveled unsubstantiated corruption charges"
Huh? So Burisma and the $1B Chinese investment in Hunter are not corrupt?
"and whose record and platform alike Mr. Trump distorted into almost a parody of radicalism"
Pray tell, what part of Biden's platform, insofar as he remembers it at all, is not "radical"?
"In this fictional realm, a man who lauded white supremacists as 'very fine people' becomes a champion of racial comity"
Already covered in the post, but it is striking, isn't it, how openly and shamelessly progs peddle lies while accusing others of lying. Prog media hegemony has its privileges.
"and a leader who ignored warnings about the pandemic actually sets the global standard for disease response"
Huh? He acted more quickly than most other leaders, and more vigorously than any Dem wanted him to, at a time when the prog MSM themselves played down the threat.
"The conjured specter of widespread 'urban violence,'"
Specter? Is that we've been seeing? We can't believe our lying eyes?
"combined with warnings that the dictatorial Democrats against 'guns, gasoline and God'"
They are, aren't they? Is WaPo saying Dems are pro-gun, pro-gasoline, pro-God?
"would force Americans to wear masks, lock them down and keep them from church,"
Well, Biden pushed a national shutdown explicitly, didn't he? Churches are kept closed, aren't they? Progs do want what they say they want, right?
But the WaPo BS is encouraging in one respect: mendacious bitching is all they got.
"i wonder what beef Bezos has vs Trump & co, what conflict of interests'
I don't give a fuck what Bezos' Beef is. He's a fucking liar in charge of a very influential newspaper and he needs to be called out.
Assume their audience is too stupid to understand or hate Trump enough to cheer a lie
That's not it at all. They need that lie to confirm to themselves that they are the "good" people.
They will never let it go.
I’m sure I’m not first to point out that WP’s “fact checker” has debunked the fine people hoax, yet the DNC-Media Complex has gone all in over the last week in rejecting the lie as often as possible. This is of course the primary way propaganda is distributed, by the Party Leaders all speaking the same lie the same way in every statement in coordination with each other. Is there an innocent explanation for a three and a half year old discredited slander to reappear and be repeated with such repetition and relish?
Robert Cook: "I can't tell if the Republicans are purposely telling what they know to be crazy-ass lies/propaganda in a scorched-earth attempt to ensure Trump wins again, or if they're really so crazy-assed to really believe the lies/progaganda they're shitting out of their mouths."
(Insert Morgan Freeman voiceover here): "Of course, Robert Cook is famous for his strong belief in the October Surprise conspiracy that posits Ronald Reagan secretly negotiated with the Ayatollah Khomenei to keep American's hostage longer in order to secure victory over Jimmy Carter in 1980. A conspiracy that allegedly involved George HW Bush traveling secretly aboard an SR-71 to meet directly with Khomenei associates outside of Paris prior to the election. Yes, a conspiracy theory that damn stupid."
Bezos had the data processing contract for the company, a real life version of the villain in deightons billion dollar brain.
against whom Republicans leveled unsubstantiated corruption charges
Are we supposed to believe WAPO cares about substantiation after they pushed the Russian Collusion Hoax for years?
All this scaremongering was accompanied by outright slander of Mr. Biden,
Isn't it revealing the WAPO had no concern over scaremongering or slander when Biden claimed Republicans want to put blacks "back in chains". It seems standards only apply to people criticizing the left, never to the left.
"Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) summed it up earlier in the week: 'The woke-topians will . . . disarm you, empty the prisons, lock you in your home and invite MS-13 to live next door.' "
That's a pretty good summation.
Trump's gesture is definitely half of the white supremacist OK sign. He raised his fingers and made a circle with two fingers. Trump tried to signal his fellow white supremacists to hunker down until after Nov. 3. Richard Spencer was so upset by Trump's racism that he threw his endorsement to the genuine racist You-ain't-black Biden.
Has WAPO ever characterized the Russiagate scandal or the impeachment farce as "unsubstantiated corruption charges"?
Of course not. Like Inga, they still believe them to be true.
Because.
"WaPo are LIARS"
This is lying on an industrial scale. 'Pravda journalism' at it's best. Literally every article about him in this propaganda outlet must be assumed to be a lie unless proven otherwise.
Any objection if Pelosi decides to place large Biden campaign signs in the House chambers?
On a related note, if you haven't seen Scott Adams's riffs on the coincidences between Joe Biden and Satan, they are hilarious.
"All this scaremongering was accompanied by outright slander of Mr. Biden...
Republicans, if anything are fear mongering.
The Democrats are the ones scaring the bejesus out of people in the first place.
“I can't tell if the Republicans are purposely telling what they know to be crazy-ass lies/propaganda in a scorched-earth attempt to ensure Trump wins again, or if they're really so crazy-assed to really believe the lies/progaganda they're shitting out of their mouths.
Probably most of them are telling knowing lies, but others are almost certainly stupid and/or crazy enough to believe their own gibberish.
There's little question that their base who avidly eat up the slops are stupid and/or crazy.”
Indeed, yes to your entire comment.
It's just the WaPoo, WaPooping.
I think you said it all, Ann. It's laughable. I can see a couple of 30 somethings with their dark glasses and intensely anguished faces, writing furiously to make people remember that Trump loves white supremacists, and really- that's all we need to know- right?" How DARE he use the White House south lawn, or the Mall for his convention? Why, why..." I can almost hear the sputtering in their writing. "He should be in his basement, too! It's not fair!"
WaPo has fallen so far, so fast.
Because statism always represents the Light! Pay no attention to its bloody history . . .
Biden, the socialist, that’s laughable. But Trumpists will believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Trump. Who knows maybe it’s a Q thing and I just am not well versed in Q conspiracy stuff.
Robert Cook said...
"I can't tell if the Republicans are purposely telling what they know to be crazy-ass lies/propaganda in a scorched-earth attempt to ensure Trump wins again, or if they're really so crazy-assed to really believe the lies/progaganda they're shitting out of their mouths."
Cookie, let's just do a little fact-check here, OK? Trump said that Joe Biden is "a Trojan horse for socialism". You favor socialism. Right?
I do love that Trump's speech was "dark" while Obama warned our Democracy is at stake if Trump is re-elected, and that was the finest political speech ever.
“Republicans, if anything are fear mongering.”
“The Democrats are the ones scaring the bejesus out of people in the first place.”
Trump ran his 2016 campaign by playing on the fears of the right concerning migrants. This time around he’s playing on the fears of the right regarding socialism and all those “socialists” like Biden and whooooo boy, America will turn into another Canada! That would be so awful, look how they handled Covid. It’s comical in a dark way.
Whole lotta flop sweat at Wapo today.
Inga the Russian Collusion Dead Ender: "Trump ran his 2016 campaign by playing on the fears of the right concerning migrants. This time around he’s playing on the fears of the right regarding socialism and all those “socialists” like Biden and whooooo boy, America will turn into another Canada! That would be so awful, look how they handled Covid. It’s comical in a dark way."
Aren't you behind on your daily lie about 17 year old's schedule?
And tell us more about how Trump is colluding with russians and hacking voting machines to change vote totals and Carter Page is spying for the russians and Kavanaugh is leading rape gangs.
This should be good.
Inga: "Biden, the socialist, that’s laughable."
Russia collusion. Now that's laughable.
But Inga still clings to that lie...desperately.
Just ask her.
Inga hanging out in the safe threads. Come on over to the Rand Paul attacked by lefties (again!) thread. We seek your wisedom.
The implied syllogism is:
Democracy dies in darkness.
The Republicans are advocating darkness.
Ergo, the Republicans want to kill democracy.
Inga: "Probably most of them are telling knowing lies, but others are almost certainly stupid and/or crazy enough to believe their own gibberish."
Remember, it was just yesterday, just yesterday, that Inga posted transparently false lies about the 17 year old hero who defended himself against criminal felons who rape children and batter women and illegal possess firearms who were destroying a city.
Inga's defense was that she just saw it on line and posted it!!
LOL
And yes, if you are wondering how could it be that someone as dumb as Inga could do that and then show up the very next day attacking others for supposedly believing in lies and being crazy enough to believe their own gibberish, well, there is something you have to understand about Inga.
About every 15 minutes or so Inga literally resets history and completely forgets what she wrote and said in the "past" (anything older than 15 minutes is "the past" for Inga).
The examples of this are too numerous to list. But I assure, each is as amusing as the next!
steve uhr: "Any objection if Pelosi decides to place large Biden campaign signs in the House chambers?"
LOL!!
Currently, according to Gallup, Approval of congress sits at .....(wait for it)...... 21%!
So, no, have at it!! And while Pelosi is putting up Biden signs in the House Chamber (please God let them take moron Li'l stevie uhr's advice!! please, please please), make sure she takes the time to tear up more copies of Trump's speech and call every word of it all a lie...so we can then pull up all the personal stories of American's tragedies and hardships that were in the speech that Pelosi claimed "not a single word was true".
We'll just load those Pelosi comments up with the stories of the American's and combine it with the RNC convention testimonials over the last 4 days and run them as ads.
You know steve, what I like best about you is your astonishing ignorance combined with tone-deafness. A remarkable combination that serves as a warning beacon to anyone with any intelligence at all to avoid your "advice" at all costs.
Fortunately, many democraticals think just like you do!
Never change.
Biden, the socialist, that’s laughable.
To be fair, everything about Biden is laughable.
Just remember, friends, that Trump *would have been happy* to put on a convention somewhere else. It was the Dems and the media who have tried to shame him into staying home. Which is ....the White House.
I wonder what beef Bezos has vs Trump & co, what conflict of interests.
Bezos was leveraging dollars by avoiding collecting sales tax. A trade conflict with China is also bad for his business. However, the pandemic, forced mitigation strategies (e.g. social contagion), protests/riots, excess deaths (e.g. Planned Parent, stigmatizing HCQ), were a Stork-sent.
Its quite important to figure out the why of it all.
We have the what and the how.
We have tons of circumstantial evidence of the nature of your conflict.
We can suss out the sides. We can define the ideological, cultural and personality splits. We can define the nature of the thing quite well, citing say Angelo Codevilla.
However, what we DON'T know the why. The reason is that the actual mechanisms used by your opponents are owned or hired by a very small group of extremely wealthy individuals. Its really quite amazing how interconnected and centralized the whole thing is. It can be traced up channels to...a point where the ownership typically becomes occluded in a mass of investment funds and the like.
We can only guess - informed guesses, but only that - about what these few, obscured people want. Bezos is one of the very few individuals in this group that is identifiable and unquestionably (that we know of?) in charge of his own organization. What are his goals with respect to US politics? What are his fears and constraints? We can assume, but we don't know.
The others are obscured by ownership/control fog. Case in point - CBS Viacom. Ostensibly owned by the estate of Sumner Redstone, its long been in someone elses hands as he was disabled for many years before his death and I understand it is sunk in debt. Whoever holds the paper for CBS Viacom probably calls the shots. Its certainly not their president/CEO, who is a hireling.
You need to know your enemy.
Biden, the socialist, that’s laughable.
Single/central, minority capital and control regime to drive progressive prices and ensure faithful subjects.
Inga said...
Who knows maybe it’s a Q thing and I just am not well versed in Q conspiracy stuff.
8/28/20, 10:18 AM
It's pretty boomer to think Epstein killed himself.
Trump ran his 2016 campaign by playing on the fears of the right concerning ILLEGAL migrants.
FIFY idiot.
Cookie, let's just do a little fact-check here, OK? Trump said that Joe Biden is "a Trojan horse for socialism". You favor socialism. Right?
Cook gets easily confused. If only Comrade Stalin was still here to tell him what to think.
And tell us more about how Trump is colluding with russians and hacking voting machines to change vote totals and Carter Page is spying for the russians and Kavanaugh is leading rape gangs.
This should be good.
8/28/20, 10:33 AM
You forgot "Trump is stealing the mailboxes!!!!!"
I notice from the headlines that the WaCompost is all about convention “lies” today. The paywall, even at $1 stops me - I don’t pay to dive into dumpsters either - so I can’t read about the “lies” in WaPo although there was plenty of it on other lefty sites. What else do they have?
It was enlightening and moving to hear ordinary people at the RNC, a dairy farmer, a nun/surgeon, a logger, a fisherman, an ex-convict, a Down syndrome mother, small business owners, etc., talk about Trump’s projects and accomplishments. Clearly, the leftmedia has concealed most of these things from the public. At this point it is obvious that there has been lots of lying about the Trump Administration. Let’s see, who do we believe, people who have benefited from his efforts or the leftmedia?
Say, isn’t the Washington Post one of the media entities that recently settled a defamation suit with teenager Nick Sandmann? As I recall, defamation is “the act of communicating FALSE STATEMENTS about a person that injure the reputation of that person.” So, defaming a teenager to make Trump supporters look bad? Admirable!
buwaya is right about the shadowy billionaires who are running this thing. I was pointing out elsewhere that there is an amazing amount of money sloshing around. I see it with J boats, which are 126 foot racing sailboats. There was no one who could afford to own one a few years ago., An executive who restored one about 20 years ago went to prison for embezzling from his company. Now there are enough of them to have class races. The same with very expensive cars. These are pure luxuries, not just expensive house, like Obama's or the Murdoch kid's.
Im embarrassed thst it took Scott Adams to point this out to me but you know who the classical "light-bringer" is?
Lucifer.
Literally.
So if we have a choice between Lucifer/light bringer in the form of Biden and Trump's "darkness" it's not hard to choose, is it?
I really don't get the idea that PDJT is "dark". He is the most optimistic president ever.
John Henry
Mike Sylwester said...
They will be very pissed that their lie, told a zillion times, will not prevent the re-election of President Trump.
8/28/20, 9:23 AM
Lots of people will ask if they can REALLY be as bad as the murderous pedophile Rosenbaum who tried to kill a teenager and got ventilated for it. Is he some kind of Hebrew Nazi, Inga? A Zionazi, if you will?
"Cookie, let's just do a little fact-check here, OK? Trump said that Joe Biden is 'a Trojan horse for socialism.'"
A completely ludicrous statement. No fact to check.
All this scaremongering was accompanied by outright slander of Mr. Biden, against whom Republicans leveled unsubstantiated corruption charges — and whose record and platform alike Mr. Trump distorted into almost a parody of radicalism...
As opposed to what? Democrats spending the entirety or the Trump administration peddling not unsubstantiated charges of Russian corruption- but absolute complete lies about Russian collusion including a senior FBI official pleading guilty to feeding falsified evidence to a FISA court to start and continue investigation into the phony bologna charges? While striving in any way possible to manufacture an obstruction of justice charge against him. I still see people insisting that Russian collusion is true- and that Trump is an idiot who is able to hide all the evidence from all the smart people in the world.... Cognitive dissonance at it's finest.
much as we discovered that imdb (the malaysian bank) with saudi ties, along with some connections to a former lehman executive, was trying to use a middle man, to get miles guo, dissident chinese billionaire, extradited back to china, guo has been an outside advisor to bannon, who provided insight on regime manipulations re the pandemic, the middle man, elliot broudy, was the one hacked seperately by a qatari outfit, fronted by a morroccan diplomat at the un, who was the mediator on yemeni issues,
"Bezos was leveraging dollars by avoiding collecting sales tax."
Not that I'm a particular fan of Bezos, but that's a specious insinuation of shady behavior. Until recently, NO online sellers (or distance sellers, even if by catalogue), were required to collect state sales taxes, except in any states where they had brick-and-mortar stores. A recent Supreme Court decision now allows states to require online sellers to charge and pay them their sales taxes. Amazon actually started charging sales taxes as a matter of course before the Supreme Court decision granting states the right to require it.
consider the whole push against hcq, its as much 'business as personal' an inexpensive pill out of patent, with easily sourced raw materials, cinchona, is available practically everywhere, versus gilead's remdesvir, an expensive laborious treatment, which spent lavishly in medical journals both pushing the treatment and underwriting the opposition,
"Biden, the socialist, that’s laughable."
Just a few years ago, even conservatives would have characterized Biden as a run-of-the mill, slightly left-leaning Democrat.
But his brain is gone...and he sold his soul to the socialist wing of the once great Democrat party (it's been decades, but they were sane once) to become president.
He has no idea that he is a puppet. But he has wholeheartedly endorsed their far left agenda.
Prove me wrong.
"Trump ran his 2016 campaign by playing on the fears of the right concerning migrants."
Just one focus of many.
But 'migrants'? How about illegal fucking aliens. You know, Inga, the ones slaughtering and raping American children. I can send you links to hundreds of these crimes.
The left is so big on '...if it saves just one person...' Close the damn border and save thousands...
"but that's a specious insinuation of shady behavior"
I agree. It is also not such a trivial issue that drives Bezos political activities.
"A conspiracy that allegedly involved George HW Bush traveling secretly aboard an SR-71 to meet directly with Khomenei associates outside of Paris prior to the election. Yes, a conspiracy theory that damn stupid.""
*************
I always liked that part. The most famous jet in the world landing (and later taking off) at a French airport without nobody noticing it. DAMN, those Reagan-Bush people were sharp!
(not to mention that the back-seater in that aircraft performed vital control functions throughout its flight, and thus couldn't give up his role to a passive passenger)
Inga: "Biden, the socialist, that’s laughable."
Ever read the Biden-Sanders Unity Task Force Recommendations?
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/08/889189235/democratic-task-forces-deliver-biden-a-blueprint-for-a-progressive-presidency
Go ahead: tell us it's not Socialism, straight up. 110 pages of it.
Robert Cook said...
"Cookie, let's just do a little fact-check here, OK? Trump said that Joe Biden is 'a Trojan horse for socialism.'"
A completely ludicrous statement. No fact to check.
If only Comrade Stalin was here, there would be no such ludicrous statements. He would see to it !
"If only Comrade Stalin was here, there would be no such ludicrous statements. He would see to it!"
The pointless invocation of a boogey-man, shouting the non-sequitur "Comrade Stalin," does not constitute a cogent argument, or even an intelligible thought.
"So if we have a choice between Lucifer/light bringer in the form of Biden and Trump's "darkness" it's not hard to choose, is it?"
There is NO light-bringer in this election, only shit-bringers. If one is happy to accept shit, or resigned to it but feels compelled to play the game and vote for one of the major party candidates, I guess the decision is only as hard as one's relative distaste for the choices offered, or perhaps no harder than throwing a dart at a dartboard and voting accordingly.
Remember when the media called the Russia crap unsubstantiated?
I dont either. Still isnt.
"Ever read the Biden-Sanders Unity Task Force Recommendations?
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/08/889189235/democratic-task-forces-deliver-biden-a-blueprint-for-a-progressive-presidency
"Go ahead: tell us it's not Socialism, straight up. 110 pages of it."
It's not Socialism, straight up.
Just reading the brief summary of some of the highlights, it sounds quite reasonable and desirable, but anyone who believes Biden has any intention of following through on this aspirational Potemkin Document if he wins could only be so jaw-droppingly gullible as to believe Don Trump is a good man who truly cares about others and has been a good president. This is another transparent act of cynical campaign virtue-signalling and voter-pandering, an attempt by Biden to sucker Sanders voters and other "left-ish" Democrats. IF Biden were to win, this document will not just vanish, it will never have existed, consigned well before Inaugural day into the bins of "Never Were."
Robert Cook said...
I can't tell if the Republicans are purposely telling what they know to be crazy-ass lies/propaganda in a scorched-earth attempt to ensure Trump wins again, or if they're really so crazy-assed to really believe the lies/progaganda they're shitting out of their mouths.
Are Republicans claiming 1 in 4 female college students are sexually assaulted during their 4 years on campus? Are they claiming Obamacare will save the "typical" family 2,500 / year? Did they claim 50% of personal bankruptcies in this country are due to unpaid medical bills?
I'm not sure what Rep lies you're referring to, but even arguendo it would not distinguish Reps from Dems. In fact Dem lies are much worse because their lies are specifically invented to drive otherwise unsupportable and incredibly destructive policy like Title IX inquisitions and Obamacare which is useless but incredibly expensive. Trump's lies - particularly things like crowd size - seem ego driven and of little importance.
Joe Biden is a wooden badger for socialism.
The pointless invocation of a boogey-man, shouting the non-sequitur "Comrade Stalin," does not constitute a cogent argument, or even an intelligible thought.
It was intelligible enough for you to respond to it.
https://babalublog.com/2020/08/27/cuban-dictatorships-foreign-minsister-takes-to-twitter-to-criticize-u-s-electoral-process-hilarity-ensues/#comment-172398
"I'm not sure what Rep lies you're referring to, but even arguendo it would not distinguish Reps from Dems."
Do you infer I think the Dems are any better? If so, you infer wrong.
(BTW, I'm referring in particular to the Republican Orgy of Onanistic Nonsense and Lickspittle Obeisance to Der Orange Man of this past week, but do not limit it to that.)
Just about every word in the WaPoo is a lie. Well, they might be able to get sports scores right. Other than that, if they said that the sun had risen in the east, I would have to look outside to verify it. They have no credibility left. They are shills for the Democrat party, and have sold their birthright for a mess of pottage.
Cook wrote:
"Just reading the brief summary of some of the highlights, it sounds quite reasonable and desirable, but anyone who believes Biden has any intention of following through on this aspirational Potemkin Document if he wins could only be so jaw-droppingly gullible as to believe Don Trump is a good man who truly cares about others and has been a good president
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So...110 pages of totalitarian policies are not socialism---snort.
And....anyone who believes Biden will follow these "reasonable and desirable" policies is a gullible fool, just like anyone who thought Trump would follow through on his 2016 campaign promises was a fool---
Oh wait...
@Robert Cook
What is it that you are for exactly? Not some utopian dream, but something tangible and achievable. Being against everything is easy, and honestly, pretty damn stupid for a grown adult. It's the kind of intellectual bullshit we tried to use to pull the wool over other's (and our own) eyes when we got our first taste of freedom from our parents. Before we found out that responsibility was a part of the deal and 'everything is wrong' wouldn't cut the mustard anymore. You seem to have never grown out of that phase.
What, if any, realistic or unrealistic policy proposals do you have that would fix the ills present in our society?
"Any fool can burn down a barn."
"the back-seater in that aircraft performed vital control functions throughout its flight, and thus couldn't give up his role to a passive passenger"
GHW Bush, passive? Hey, you don't rise that high in vast right-wing conspiracy without accumulating many skills. Heck, I'll bet he was flying the thing!
"(BTW, I'm referring in particular to the Republican Orgy of Onanistic Nonsense and Lickspittle Obeisance to Der Orange Man of this past week, but do not limit it to that.)"
Twelve and eight years ago you and your comrades were all sucking Mr. Crease-in-the-pants' cock.
It's called a party convention...happens every four years. But don't let that keep you from spouting nonsense.
(BTW, I'm referring in particular to the Republican Orgy of Onanistic Nonsense and Lickspittle Obeisance to Der Orange Man of this past week, but do not limit it to that.)
As opposed your Onanistic Nonsense and Lickspittle Obeisance to Comrade Stalin. We all enjoyed your memories of the glorious Soviet Union. Did you also honeymoon there? Probably not as dishwashers don't have a big travel budget
(BTW, I'm referring in particular to the Republican Orgy of Onanistic Nonsense and Lickspittle Obeisance to Der Orange Man of this past week, but do not limit it to that.)
In what sense is "Lickspittle Obeisance" a lie? You stick to your platitudes.
Robert Cook said...
I can't tell if the Republicans are purposely telling what they know to be crazy-ass lies
I CAN tell that Robert Cook is purposely telling what he knows to be crazy-ass lies, since he very carefully avoids specifying what ANY of these supposed "Republican lies" are.
Robert Cook said...
"For 47 years Old Joe has received a public paycheck for his "public service." And what's he accomplished? Becoming unbelievably wealthy!"
Sure, but you condemn Alzheimer Joe with a job description that fits nearly all of them (on both sides of the aisle)!
So I guess you'll be voting for Trump, right?
Since it doesn't apply to him
"So I guess you'll be voting for Trump, right?
"Since it doesn't apply to him."
I know you're asking a rhetorical question, but, no, I will not be voting for Trump. He is easily as corrupt as Biden and many of his peers in Congress, though in other spheres of activity. Plus, as one of his own former Cabinet heads observed, he's a "fucking moron."
"I CAN tell that Robert Cook is purposely telling what he knows to be crazy-ass lies, since he very carefully avoids specifying what ANY of these supposed
'Republican lies' are."
Well, there are all the dog-whistle claims that the Dems are "far-left," are "socialists," are "far-left socialists" who want to shut down the country and defund the police and the military--all gibberish--that the Dems want to "take over healthcare," which they have expressly rejected, (to their dishonor); that Biden himself is a socialist; that Trump wrought an economic miracle, reviving an economy killed by Obama; that Trump has shrunk the government; that Trump "re-built" a (presumably) faltering military that was being starved to death of funding (HA! As if and if only!); that Trump is a good and caring man and a great president; yadda yadda yadda. You know, the kind of stupid shit many commenters here repeat with Tourette's-like compulsion.
"As opposed your Onanistic Nonsense and Lickspittle Obeisance to Comrade Stalin. We all enjoyed your memories of the glorious Soviet Union."
Hmmm...you seem to have something in common with Cognitively-Impaired Joe, imagining things I have never believed, said or implied.
But, no...you know better and are just behaving, as usual, childishly.
"Twelve and eight years ago you and your comrades were all sucking Mr. Crease-in-the-pants' cock."
Not me, bub.
GHW Bush, passive? Hey, you don't rise that high in vast right-wing conspiracy without accumulating many skills. Heck, I'll bet he was flying the thing!
Well, .... he was a pilot.
@Robert Cook
What is it that you are for exactly?
1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a
friend.
3. No animal shall wear clothes.
4. No animal shall sleep in a bed.
5. No animal shall drink alcohol.
6. No animal shall kill any other animal
7. All animals are equal.
I'm a libertarian. I love liberty, and despise statism, and I make no bones about it. Why don't State-fuckers just drop the mask and say, "Yep, we love the State! We love picking people's pockets and being able to do legally; we love forcing other people to do what we want them to do; and the idea of a free society fills us with fear and loathing." Instead they have to obfuscate and snow us with all their hocus-pocus about "the common good," etc. Life is easier when you're honest.
"What is it that you are for exactly? Not some utopian dream, but something tangible and achievable."
I set out to list some of what I am for, but on reading it, I realized it is all stuff you would dismiss as "utopian dreams," intangible or not achievable. Such labels are terms of contempt, a way to shrug off working out the means by which such things might actually be achieved. Certainly taxpayer-funded healthcare is in there,(demonstrably achievable). Radical defunding of our war apparatus--the military and the intelligence agencies--is also part of the mix, and I'll let you imagine what else might be included. Do I think we will achieve any of these things? No, not anytime soon, maybe never, at least, not without some sort of dramatic or even cataclysmic social upheaval that forces us to retool our society.
Now that Robert Cook has amply confirmed that he is a Bull Goose Looney by issuing a Litany of
Outrageous Denials, there's no sense in dealing with him.
You know, the kind of stupid shit many commenters here repeat with Tourette's-like compulsion.
I will admit we don't share our glorious memories of the Soviet Union, like you do.
Well, there are all the dog-whistle claims that the Dems are "far-left," are "socialists," are "far-left socialists" who want to shut down the country and defund the police and the military
Well you get that from listening to Democrats. Like "Democratic Socialists" telling us what they plan to do. Now, I will admit that Joe does not say much about his agenda but he probably does not know what it is. Democrats have been officially quiet about plans for Joe since even Democrats will not go for the Green Nude Eel. California, of course, is an exception and they are enjoying the Green Paradise right now. My son is fighting the Newsom wildfires now in spite of his 10% pay cut.
I notice from the headlines that the WaCompost is all about convention “lies” today. The paywall, even at $1 stops me - I don’t pay to dive into dumpsters either - so I can’t read about the “lies” in WaPo although there was plenty of it on other lefty sites.
One can read both the WaPo along with the NYT (not WSJ) despite their paywall, by simply arriving at the site from a “private” browser window. Using (say) an iPhone with its Safari browser, for instance: from a Safari tab, take note of whether the browser control icons are visible at the top or bottom edge of the screen — if not touch the upper-right corner of the screen so that they show up — then touch (click) on the icon that looks like two overlapping boxes. The display should now show “Private + Done” along one edge of the screen. Touch “Private” so it's now selected, then touch “+” to open up a private browser window. Then enter (or paste) the NYT or WaPo URL into the browser's address line — and it will ignore your existing paywall status (no. of articles already read).
Blogger Robert Cook said...
"I CAN tell that Robert Cook is purposely telling what he knows to be crazy-ass lies, since he very carefully avoids specifying what ANY of these supposed
'Republican lies' are."
Well, there are all the dog-whistle claims that the Dems are "far-left," are "socialists," are "far-left socialists" who want to shut down the country and defund the police and the military--all gibberish--that the Dems want to "take over healthcare," which they have expressly rejected,
IOW, you're a liar, AND a credulous fool
Good combination
that Trump wrought an economic miracle, reviving an economy killed by Obama;
You mean getting significant economic growth 6 years into a recovery, one that was heading for a recession before he took over?
You mean finally getting wages for non-college indoctrinated Americans to grow faster than those with a piece of paper from some "school"?
that Trump has shrunk the government
He's achieved significant regulatory cuts
So, IOW, you're utterly fully of shit
@Cook
Thank you for your answer. Utopian dream is not a slur, it is simply a dream, and will remain so until we as a species decide to give up our individuality and biological imperatives. The unachievable perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the achievable good.
Military: I'd agree we need to scale our military adventurism way back, but we probably don't see eye to eye on the need for a strong military. Plaudits to Trump for trying to get nations to pony up for their own defensive systems. If that becomes commonplace, cut away. I'd hope you agree there are bad actors in the world. What do you think our military commitments to other nations should be? Zero would be a dangerous path. Think South China Sea. Chinese expansionism is real. They are trying to take resources from other countries. What is our commitment there? What should it be? Does America having a strong military deter some bad actions? Is it worth the costs? What consequences do we risk with a weak military? Relying on nuclear deterrence alone is a very bad idea.
Healthcare: Along the lines of the ACA? That is just the government dispersing money to the insurance companies. Last I looked they were running at 4% margins. I don't trust a governmental agency to be more efficient. Single payer? You are aware of the projected costs of that, right? Estimates are low. We are going to be spending 10T for a few months on a single virus. Sorry, high grade healthcare for all falls into my pipedream category, and I am unwilling to give up my present insurance that I worked very hard for a lifetime so that I can afford it.
Imagining Trade, Immigration, Fiscal sanity, and Globalism: Fair trade, controlled immigration that benefits the country being immigrated to, fuck all of them, and one world government only if I'm the one in charge.
No, not anytime soon, maybe never, at least, not without some sort of dramatic or even cataclysmic social upheaval that forces us to retool our society.
Sounds Utopian dreamy to me. More like distopian scary. I'd just as soon not be around for that one. Keep yor feet on the ground, and always do your cost/benefit anaylisis.
I set out to list some of what I am for, but on reading it, I realized it is all stuff you would dismiss as "utopian dreams,"
At least Cook is honest once in a while.
Cannot imagine that Dem Mayors are looking for Biden victory. In which case they would have to clean up the mess. However Trump winning and declaring insurrection would allow them to be on the side of ....
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