August 28, 2020

"'This is an insult to injury,' one of Blake's uncles told media Thursday. 'He is paralyzed and can’t walk and they have him cuffed to the bed. Why?'"

"During an appearance in Kenosha on Thursday, Gov. Tony Evers said he 'couldn't imagine' why handcuffing a paralyzed man 'would be necessary.' I would hope that we would be able to find a more, a better way to help him … in recovering. That seems counterintuitive. It seems to be bad medicine."

From "Family says Jacob Blake is handcuffed to his hospital bed; has retained Racine Attorney Patrick Cafferty" (madison.com).

Here are some possibilities that I can imagine: 1. It's not true that Blake is handcuffed to the bed, 2. It's not true that Blake is fully paralyzed, 3. There's a concern that others might help Blake escape, 4. Blake is capable of doing dangerous things with the part of his body that is not paralyzed.

Also at that article, we get some additional information about Blake: "According to a criminal complaint, at around 6 a.m. on May 3, Blake entered his ex-girlfriend's home the 2800 block of 40th Street — the same block where he was shot three months later — in an attempt to retrieve his property. While there, Blake is accused of having penetrated the woman with his fingers." They should add "without consent"! That's what makes it a crime. The crime is sexual assault. In other words, rape. He deserves to be under arrest, and he resisted arrest vigorously. There is reason to feel empathy for any human being who suffers a grievous injury, but let's not forget about the seriousness of the charge of rape!

I need to read the criminal complaint.  Here (boldface added):
Count 1: CRIMINAL TRESPASS, DOMESTIC ABUSE
The above-named defendant on or about Sunday, May 3, 2020, in the City of Kenosha, Kenosha County, Wisconsin, did intentionally enter the dwelling of LNB, without the consent of some person lawfully upon the premises, under circumstances tending to create a breach of the peace, contrary to sec. 943.14(2), 939.51(3)(a), 968.075(1)(a) Wis. Stats., a Class A Misdemeanor, and upon conviction may be fined not more than Ten Thousand Dollars ($10,000), or imprisoned not more than nine (9) months, or both. And further, invoking the provisions of sec. 968.075(1)(a) Wis. Stats., because this charge is an act of domestic abuse, costs upon conviction would include the domestic abuse assessment imposed under sec. 973.055(1) Wis. Stats.

Count 2: THIRD DEGREE SEXUAL ASSAULT, DOMESTIC ABUSE
The above-named defendant on or about Sunday, May 3, 2020, in the City of Kenosha, Kenosha County, Wisconsin, did have sexual intercourse with LNB, without that person's consent, contrary to sec. 940.225(3)(a), 939.50(3)(g), 968.075(1)(a) Wis. Stats., a Class G Felony, and upon conviction may be fined not more than Twenty Five Thousand Dollars ($25,000), or imprisoned not more than ten (10) years, or both. And further, invoking the provisions of sec. 968.075(1)(a) Wis. Stats., because this charge is an act of domestic abuse, costs upon conviction would include the domestic abuse assessment imposed under sec. 973.055(1) Wis. Stats.

Count 3: DISORDERLY CONDUCT, DOMESTIC ABUSE
The above-named defendant on or about Sunday, May 3, 2020, in the City of Kenosha, Kenosha County, Wisconsin, while in a public or private place, did engage in violent, abusive, indecent, profane, boisterous, unreasonably loud or otherwise disorderly conduct, under circumstances in which such conduct tended to cause or provoke a disturbance, contrary to sec. 947.01(1), 939.51(3)(b), 968.075(1)(a) Wis. Stats., a Class B Misdemeanor, and upon conviction may be fined not more than One Thousand Dollars ($1,000), or imprisoned not more than ninety (90) days, or both. And further, invoking the provisions of sec. 968.075(1)(a) Wis. Stats., because this charge is an act of domestic abuse, costs upon conviction would include the domestic abuse assessment imposed under sec. 973.055(1) Wis. Stats.

PROBABLE CAUSE:
On May 3, 2020 Kenosha Police Officer Raiche, in full uniform and operating marked squad #3343, responded to 2805 40th Street Unit D, City and County of Kenosha, state of Wisconsin for a report of an ex-boyfriend who had broken into the residence and stole vehicle keys, a vehicle and a debit card from the victim before fleeing. Officers Matz and Raiche arrived on scene and spoke with LNB. Officer Raiche reports LNB was crying and visibly shaken, dressed only in a nightgown. LNB invited them in and explained that the previous evening she had left at approximately 8PM to attend a party in Milwaukee. LNB rented a vehicle for the weekend because she didn’t think her vehicle would make it because of mechanical issues. LNB asked her sister Tamara to stay the night and watch her three children while she was gone. LNB returned home at about 4:11AM, her sister was sleeping in the living room on the couch with numerous children so LNB brought her son with her into the first bedroom down the hallway on the east wall, they then lay down to go to sleep. LNB stated at about 6AM she was woken up by the father of her children, Jacob Blake, herein known as the defendant, standing over her saying, “I want my shit.” As LNB lay there, on her back, the defendant, suddenly and without warning, reached his hand between her legs, penetrated her vaginally with a finger, pull it out and sniffed it, and said, “Smells like you’ve been with other men.”

Officer Raiche reported LNB had a very difficult time telling him this and cried as she told how the defendant assaulted her and then the defendant immediately left the bedroom. LNB stated the defendant penetrating her digitally caused her pain and humiliation and was done without her consent. LNB stated she was upset but collected herself and ran after the defendant out the front door and then realized her vehicle was missing. LNB ran back inside to her purse, which was on the kitchen counter and checked it, quickly realizing her key to her truck (Ford Explorer 2002), a black individual key and the only key for the vehicle and her Great Lakes Debit Card were missing. LNB immediately called 911 and while waiting for Officers, checked her Great Lakes Account and saw two fraudulent ATM withdrawals on May 3, 2020 that she did not make, both at PNC Bank, 3920 Washington Road, both for $500, at an unknown time.

LNB stated she and the defendant have three children together but have never resided together in the eight years they have been on and off. LNB stated the defendant is unemployed, has no vehicle, and would not tell LNB where he was currently living. LNB stated over the past eight years the defendant has physically assaulted her around twice a year when he drinks heavily. LNB did not know how the defendant entered the apartment and thought maybe through a window.... 

198 comments:

Ken B said...

Is there any reason why the press would minimize rape with fingers?
Asking for a friend (named Tara Reade).

Michael K said...

Prisoners are often handcuffed to the bed until they can be moved to a locked jail ward. Maybe there is not one in Kenosha.

The Crack Emcee said...

Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

Bay Area Guy said...

I do wish he wasn't paralyzed or shot 7 times. But he's a rapist, trouble-maker, armed with a knife. So, it's kinda hard for someone not there to tell us what the police officers should have done in response,

Whatever the case, the riots/looting/arson/assaults are unjust and unjustified.

David-2 said...

"There is reason to feel empathy for any human being who suffers a grievous injury ..."

Not always. Not necessarily for "any" human being.

Perhaps, for example, not in a case where you have a particular human being "who suffers a grevious injury" due to having caused an unnecessary conflict with police trying to apprehend him subsequent to his having committed several crimes, including a sexual assault.

Drago said...

Inga and Freder and steve uhr will be along shortly to explain that unsolicited and forced finger penetration of a woman by a man, known as "pulling a Biden", is not really "rape rape", and besides, lots of Trump supporters are horrible Christians who deserve to be spied on in their churches by the state.

Temujin said...

Lebron could not be reached for comment.

rhhardin said...

He has the natural innocence of the primitive human, is what they're responding to.

Big Mike said...

Possibility #5: it's SOP, and the officers risk termination if they leave Blake unhandcuffed, regardless of whether he is paralyzed.

(N.B., regulations don't always have to make sense -- they just have to be followed)

cubanbob said...

This piece of garbage is a poster boy for the Left. Why is he cuffed to his bed? Because he is a piece of garbage criminal.

mccullough said...

Keep the handcuffs on

Clyde said...

Blake also allegedly raped a 14-year-old. Silver lining: If he is indeed paralyzed from the waist down, he won't be doing any more raping.

DavidUW said...

Yeah that guy is totally worth burning down Kenosha for.

Nichevo said...

There is reason to feel empathy for any human being who suffers a grievous injury, but let's not forget about the seriousness of the charge of rape!

I think Biden would like you to forget about the seriousness of the charge of rape!

Gusty Winds said...

At what point do Democrats admit it would have been a dereliction of duty for those officers to let him take off in that car with those kids?

Clues? said...

5. The handcuffs are intended to raise public awareness that Blake had a warrant for arrest for sexual assault.

Gusty Winds said...

Well Crack, Mr. Blake wasn't murdered. He's alive. So is the woman he abused for years and the children that most likely suffered with him as a father. There is NO WAY the cops could let him drive away with those kids.

gahrie said...

Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

First of all, killing someone because they have damaged your property isn't murder, it's justified homicide. Secondly, random property destruction isn't an answer to anything. In order for your idiocy to have any basis, the property damage would have to be limited to the person who committed the murder, which it never is.

No one is arguing that killing people at random is an appropriate response to property damage.

Nichevo said...

The Crack Emcee said...
Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

8/28/20, 1:33 PM

I don't think you get it. If everybody who commits property damage gets, in your words, murdered, eventually nobody will commit any more property damage.

Which property damage were you referring to, anyway? Blake wasn't accused of property damage, he was accused of rape. Most people here probably think that that that is a suitable penalty for rape.

Leland said...

Because unless you have a big ambulance style van; you can't roll him out in the bed and help him get away.

Original Mike said...

Well, he made his bed …

Drago said...

The Crack Emcee: "Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?"

Ask this guy why he executed at point blank range a 5 year old boy on a bike in front of his sisters (I'm assuming Crack can stop cheering long enough to actually answer this question)?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/us/north-carolina-boy-killed-father-speaks-trnd/index.html

Crack's likely biggest regret over this incident?

He wasn't able to rifle thru the 5 year old's pockets for loose change before the boy was taken away in an ambulance.

Scotty, beam me up... said...

Shouldn’t there be two more felony charges added to the court docket for Jacob Blake from this encounter the victim had with Blake? Under the Probable Cause headline above, Blake allegedly took the victim’s personal vehicle and her debit card. I would say that a count of operating a vehicle without the owner’s permission constitutes auto theft and if he used the debit card, thus draining her bank account, would be accessing her bank account without her consent.

effinayright said...

If an arrest warrant was out against Blake for an alleged sexual assault, is it unreasonable for him to be "under arrest"?

That would explain the handcuffed-to-the-bed situation.

Geoff Matthews said...

I think that Big Mike has the correct answer. This is "by the book", and given things now, doing things by the book is the safest way to go.

hombre said...

The Crack Emcee said...
“Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?”

1. In context here: Two wrongs don’t make a right.
2. Murder is neither an appropriate nor a legal response to property damage in most states.
3. There is no connection, causal or otherwise, between any murder and the property damage taking place throughout the country.
4. You aren’t stupid. Why ask a question as stupid as this?

Here’s one for you: Why is rampant property damage appropriate when a black male is injured or killed as a result of resisting a lawful arrest?

Ken B said...

I dunno Crack. Why do jail rapists but not let the wrongly jailed commit rape?

Big Mike said...

Blake also allegedly raped a 14-year-old. Silver lining: If he is indeed paralyzed from the waist down, he won't be doing any more raping.

Which may be why he was prepared to do "suicide by cop." I have read, many times, that prison inmates who have sexually assaulted children are targeted for special treatment by other inmates, and their lives in prison are literally Hell.

Clues? said...

The Crack Emcee said...
Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?


Advanced Sophistry: A+

mikee said...

My spouse worked the ER in Grady Hospital in Atlanta in the 1980s. Prisoner/patients were cuffed to their beds even when unconscious, because they often misbehaved when they regained consciousness. If you are working on a patient and they are cuffed to the bed, you're working on a person the police brought in, and should have appropriate regard for your own safety. And if you cuff every single prisoner who is a patient, even if they are paraplegic, it saves the confusion of wondering who is a prisoner/patient and who is just another nice person who got shot.

Big Mike said...

Crack calls it "murder," even though the alleged victim is still alive. Riiiiggghhhttt.

Ken B said...

Crack reasons in puns. So does most of the left. Hence the situation we find ourselves in.

Karen said...

My dad was handcuffed to his bed to keep him from getting up during the night and accidentally ripping out all of the tubes, etc. They told me they had to do it for his safety, as he would get disoriented during the night and struggle to get up.

PB said...

I resent society having to pay this low life's medical bills.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

How did his gracious and articulate mother raise such a POS?

Clues? said...

Blake also had been charged with gun-related crimes in 2015, but those charges had been dismissed.

From Snopes:

In September 2015, the Racine County Eye reported that Blake had been arrested after brandishing a gun at a bar in Racine, and that officers required the assistance of a police dog when Blake allegedly refused to comply with their orders. He was charged with several offenses, including: felony resisting arrest “causing a soft tissue injury to a police officer”; carrying a firearm while intoxicated; and endangering safety by the use of a dangerous weapon.

However, Blake was never tried or convicted on those charges, and in August 2020, the Racine County Eye reported that the charges appear to have been dismissed at the urging of the prosecutor and no longer appear in public court records.

GingerBeer said...

I'm beginning to understand why NBA players have a soft spot for Blake.

The Crack Emcee said...

"'This is an insult to injury,' one of Blake's uncles told media Thursday. 'He is paralyzed and can’t walk and they have him cuffed to the bed. Why?'"

"Almost dead/ no respect/ and handcuffed to the bed"

- Ice Cube

Freeman Hunt said...

"Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?"

We often confiscate the property of murderers to pay their victims. If you mean the rioting, the property being destroyed has nothing to do with any murder. If someone breaks into your house, you can't walk next door and murder your neighbor because you're angry that someone else is robbing you.

Scotty, beam me up... said...

I have no problem with Blake being handcuffed to the bed or whatever, even if he is paralyzed. The man is facing prison time for these charges, which are very serious. Obviously, if he had an outstanding warrant for his arrest for sexually assaulting a minor and the police couldn’t find him, he was hiding and is a flight risk. All it would take is for some of his friends, heavily armed, to break into the hospital & overwhelm the police guarding Blake. Unlikely, but it has happened elsewhere before (El Chappo escaped numerous times from more heavily secured facilities). Yes, also unlikely given that Blake may be in a position to reap a large financial award from the City of Kenosha in civil court for the shooting, but that is not a given as he was resisting arrest, armed, and maybe trying to escape in the vehicle when he was shot. And, if he is in prison, he won’t be able to spend that money. If by chance he does win an award in civil court, the State of Wisconsin should immediately seize a good chunk of that money for child support to pay for those 6 children’s financial needs as they grow up. I am going out on a ledge here, but I suspect he hasn’t provided much financial support, if any, for his children, or any of the women who he had impregnated.

mandrewa said...

I admire Jacob Blake's mother, Julia Jackson. She seems both good and intelligent, and maybe even a special person. It hurts to imagine myself in her shoes.

I feel badly for the police, who were put in an impossible position. I believe they did the right thing in shooting Jacob Blake, although I think seven shots were excessive.

I don't believe the police knew what Blake was reaching for in that car, but they had an many good reasons to think that he was reaching for a weapon. Given that context, it would have been wrong to have not shot him. I just don't see that there was another reasonable choice. An ignorant viewer might have assumed that the officer could have physically overwhelmed Blake, and of course that would have been what would have happened in the movies, if the officer had been the protagonist. But real life is different from the movies, and in any case all three officers had already tried to physically control Jacob Blake and failed.

If it's true that a knife was on the floor of the driver's seat, then that is what Jacob Blake was reaching for and it is fortunate for the officer behind him that he shot him when he did -- as he was just in time. But even if that wasn't Blake's goal, it doesn't matter, he created the situation which gave the officers no good option.

R C Belaire said...

Democrat gov, Democrat mayor, probably Democrat police chief. Draw your own conclusions. And per Big Mike : SOP

Marshall Rose said...

Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

Note all of the falsehoods underlying this statement that makes attempts at finding common ground impossible.

1)The 17 year old charged with murder did not "murder" 2 people "commiting property damage". He fired his weapon while under assault by multiple people (video appears to show at least 4 people attacked him). Whether or not that was justifiable needs to be determined by a jury.

2)"Property damage", as described above, in Kenosha is not in response to any "murder" as the arsons, riots and looting began after Blake, a known felon with existing felony warrants, was shot while fighting with the officers who were responding to a 911 call by one of the victims of Blakes multiple assaults, but was not killed.

3)The proper response should be to review the evidence, charge defendants with crimes based based on probable cause and have a jury judge them.

4)One side is advocating for special status for a select group, while decrying what they claim is special status for a select group.

5)The other side advocates for law and order for all. Note that no reasonable person has said that the officers involved in George Floyds death should be given special status because they are police. They were immediately suspended and eventually charged and will face pur justice system.

6)The police involved in Blakes shooting will also be facing review and potential charges if warranted.

This is the choice before us, surrender to the violent, lawless and unaccountable mob, or stand for law and order.

I'm Full of Soup said...

It's a big damn country and it's impossible to run it fairly and safely by making exceptions every time a greasy wheel squeals.

mandrewa said...

I also believe that the left wing have deliberately constructed falsehoods about what happened. Not mistakes, but deliberate lies that they have consciously constructed
and thought about before putting them out.

Joe Smith said...

"Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?"

Unless he dies, it isn't murder. Try to keep up.

Kai Akker said...

Nothing is ever right for Blake. But whatever he does is cool. BLM law.

Jim Gust said...

You think that adds insult to injury? How about when he is sent to prison for the many crimes he committed?

Or will that set off a new wave of arson and looting?

jaydub said...

When Black fathers have the Ta Nehisi Coates father-to-son talk to explain that all cops are bad and always looking for the first opportunity to off a Black man, do they ever explain that the best way to avoid interactions with cops, hence getting offed, is to refrain from committing felonies? And, if such restraint is no longer an option then advise the youngster to avoid resisting arrest or assaulting a police officer if and when questioned by said police officer. If not, could someone recommend that Ta Nehisi add a paragraph which addresses those factors? I don't want to be insensitive to the plight of the Black man or jump to conclusions, but it does seem that felonies and resisting arrest and assaulting police officers could possibly be a common thread in these unfortunate confrontations that seem to cause buildings to spontaneously ignite and professional sports contests to be cancelled. Just a thought. I suppose I could be way off base here.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

Remember when you were trying to tell us that you were smart?

Jarby said...

If he rapes women digitally, he can still rape. Maybe that's why he's cuffed to the hospital bed.

Gk1 said...

"If he is indeed paralyzed from the waist down, he won't be doing any more raping."

My thoughts exactly. Nothing worse for the media & BLM is having one of their dirt bag "Martyrs" alive and verifying the police's correct response to someone trying to retrieve a knife out of their car after refusing to listen to commands to freeze.

This guy will be memory holed faster than Steve Scalise's Bernie Bro shooter.

Michael K said...

Crack with mote circular reasoning. nGive it up, Crack. You're not good at this.

Jersey Fled said...

Strange how all of these innocent Black men being indiscriminately gunned down by the Police have arrest records as long as your arm, open felony warrants, are high on drugs, and resist arrest.

Sounds like profiling to me.

jaydub said...

"Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?"

I think Crack is having trouble identifying cause and effect relationships. Perhaps Ta Nehisi should have "the talk" with him.

Hauptfrau said...

Of course it's not polite to talk about the fact that he had an arrest warrant.

What other things are the press noticeably uncurious about?

The press the WI Gov/Lt. Gov aren't telling anyone: The "shot 7 times!" battle cry is possibly a lie. To me, 7 times is really disturbing even if the cop was justified. But from the get-go, Reuters quoted Blake's attorney, Crump, as saying 4 of the 7 shots hit Blake. Can't figure out why Crump would say that unless it were true. As to why others might inflate the number of bullet wounds, well, one obvious answer would be to make the shoot look more vicious, incite riots, etc.

The state AG's official statement carefully (weasily ?) avoids saying Blake was actually shot seven times...why? This can't be a fact in dispute at this point, can it? ("the cop fired 7 seven times. the cop fired into Blake's back.")

Truthfully, 3-4 shots to the body in this situation doesn't disgust me. (I know the damage one of my former clients did after getting hit with fewer.)

AllenS said...

Having now read the criminal complaint, someone needs to go to the hospital, and shoot the motherfucker dead. I am serious.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

The Crack Emcee,

Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

Well, as to the latter, I should think that property damage might be an appropriate response to murder -- but random property damage, by people with no connection whatsoever to the victim, to owners having no connection whatsoever to the murder or to the murderer(s), simply can't. "You cops killed a man I didn't know, so in retaliation, I'm going to burn down this car dealership, owned by people I also don't know, and who have zilch to do with you" is so far off common sense that you can't see there from here. It's like a slightly elaborated version of "Let's you and him fight."

Left Bank of the Charles said...

If I were a business owner or resident if Kenosha, I would be outraged that the sexual assault warrant and weapon wasn’t made public right away. And from a BLM perspective, why wasn’t making this sexual assault arrest a police priority? Any way you look at it, the Kenosha Police did a regrettably poor job.

traditionalguy said...

Fighting has casualties. He should not have fought the Law. Because the Law won and the police officer was not killed for the pleasure of the BLM Revolution. But there was no need to fight this arrest. He is ruined because he is stupid.

Gusty Winds said...

Kenosha Public Radio WGTD is reporting the the charges against Mr. Blake have not been vacated. Race trumps rape in the Democrat Party.

iowan2 said...

I didn't repeat the internet chatter that Blake was an accused rapist. Now we have that in the form of an arrest report.

Common sense tells me shooting persons that refuse to follow police orders will save the lives of lots of people.

I have repeated it more than once here. My dad had "the talk" with me and my two older brothers. Obey all police directives. Regardless of circumstances, obey. IF, IF, innocent, dad would sell off part of the farm to clear our name. IF we were innocent. But there is empty victory in clearing the name of corpse.

Facts are piling up that both of these shootings are honest shoots. I have real doubts about a prosecutor wanting to push a trial, knowing of all the exculpatory evidence they are going to have to address.

Are there police abusing their power and killing suspects without cause? Absolutely. Is every shoot a crime? NO.

dbp said...

The Crack Emcee said...

"Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?"

This is a false premise: Murder is some species of wrongful killing of a Human. One can kill a Human without it being wrong, self-defense--for example.

Also, the conclusion doesn't follow the premise, even if the premise was correct (which it isn't). An appropriate response to murder is arrest (by police), conviction (by jury) and sentencing (by a judge).

iowan2 said...

Clyde said...
Blake also allegedly raped a 14-year-old. Silver lining: If he is indeed paralyzed from the waist down, he won't be doing any more raping.


You know nothing of rape or rapists. Read this post. "penetrated with fingers".

gspencer said...

Cuffing a prisoner to the bed while in a hospital is SOP.

Kevin said...

We keep hearing how average, law-abiding black people are being gunned down while making their their way to church and yet...

Quayle said...

Crack says, “ Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?”

Straw Man. Murder isn’t an appropriate response to property damage. It may be, however, an appropriate response in self defense to imminent bodily harm. And Crack, To my sense, nobody here thinks otherwise. Why bait contention?

Fernandinande said...

but let's not forget about the seriousness of the charge of rape!

Stealing a car! and running up $1,000 on a non-rich person's debit card! are far worse crimes than sticking one's finger in someone who has birthed 3 of one's offspring.

is not really "rape rape",

But it's not, is it? Using the word "rape" for this kind of behavior is legal Newspeak.

bleh said...

“Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?”

What the heck are you talking about?

This inane comment isn’t even responsive. Blake wasn’t killed, much less “murdered.” And when is murder considered an appropriate response to property damage? I have no clue what you’re on about.

The Vault Dweller said...

So were the police at the scene to arrest Blake? I had seen that there was a warrant out for his arrest for sexual assault, but I am not sure if the police were there to arrest Blake on that warrant or they were called for some other reason.

Kai Akker said...

"Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?"

You mean, she was Blake's property, so when his digital inspection suggested she was damaged goods, he should have killed her? Is that the appropriate response you mean?

Would that have been preferable to stealing her car, money, and whatever else he decided should be his property now? I see the logic; but he was kinder than your summary. He was making a swap, taking some better property to make up for the damage to his other property.

If she were Blake's property, though, wouldn't that make her a possession? A living possession? What do you call that again?

That brings us to the cops. How could the cops not have understood any of that? And when they met up with Blake again, how could they not have understood he just wanted to be left the eff alone? Life can be such a hassle.

But he had the kids that day. I wonder how that came about. How did that part work, do you think, Crack?

Kevin said...

Yet another unconscionable case of police hassling a brother for raping while black!

AlbertAnonymous said...

“... the defendant, suddenly and without warning, reached his hand between her legs, penetrated her vaginally with a finger, pull it out and sniffed it, and said, “smells like you’ve been with other men”.”

Sounds like a real peach...

Is anyone talking about the fact that virtually EVERYONE of these police shootings/killings could have been avoided if the Defendant simply chose NOT to resist arrest?

No one’s talking about the simplest/easiest solution.

mikee said...

Crack wrote: "Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?"

There is a difference between defensive use of violence, to stop depraved assaults upon the innocent, against their property or their lives, and offensive violence, which is the depraved assault upon others' property or their lives. If we can agree upon this, we can have a conversation. If not, you're just spouting a falsehood that has good meter when written out.

Defensive violence is used to stop offensive violence. The purpose of the offensive violence is to destroy, damage, or take from someone else what is theirs. Defensive violence is used to stop this, and if damage is done to the one being stopped, it is incidental to the stopping of their criminal, offensive violence. The damage done by offensive violence is the purpose of the offensive violence.

Life, liberty and property was a phrase coined by Locke to list the most important things that allowed one to live outside a state of servitude. Jefferson rewrote it to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which includes both material and nonmaterial possessions. Offensive violence takes from others what is rightfully theirs. Defensive violence is used to stop that unjust taking.

If you are taking from me unjustly, I am justified in stopping you from doing so.
Thus homicide (a killing) may be legal to stop property damage or destruction or theft.

If you were attempting to stop the unjust killing of another person, then your defensive violence might damage property and be justifiable. However, if you are protesting something violently by burning, looting, attacking and killing others and their property, you are the one performing offensive violence, not defensive violence, as you are not trying to stop anything, you are just being destructive and violent. Thus it has been since prehistory. Accept it or not, but if you don't, please avoid attacking people who shoot looters.

Todd said...

""'This is an insult to injury,' one of Blake's uncles told media Thursday. 'He is paralyzed and can’t walk and they have him cuffed to the bed. Why?'""

So the fact that this "little angel" is not on a cold steel coroner's table right now is not blessing enough?

gahrie said...

So were the police at the scene to arrest Blake?

The mother of his four children called the police saying he had stolen her keys and was committing domestic violence upon her. this would have caused his arrest. He also had an outstanding arrest warrant.

pacwest said...

Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

Not sure exactly, but I think you are talking about the equivancy of protection of property with lethal force vs some sort of non-lethal vengance? Vigilantism vs riots? Please expand. Thanks. I think the term "murder" is what is throwing me off.

n.n said...

Moral of the story: She is not a front hole, a black hole... whore h/t NAACP, or whatever kids today use to indulge their animal appetites. Don't treat her like a pretty woman, but rather a lovely lady, make a commitment to her, your wife, the mother of your children, you're no longer kids. Ladies, don't be a feminist, Gentlemen, don't be a masculinist. Equal and complementary. Reconcile and reciprocate.

The Vault Dweller said...

Yeah that guy is totally worth burning down Kenosha for.

I doubt very few people who are protesting or rioting actually care about an individual person. Whatever happened to individual people merely provides cover for them. For the violent, anarchists among them it gives cover to loot, burn and destroy and pretend to be something other than criminals. For the majority of them it gives an opportunity to assuage their moral inferiority complex. So many on the left are desperate to feel like good and noble people. It is entirely appropriate that the symbol of the democrats is the Donkey, because that was the mount of Don Quixote. And just like Don Quixote, many on the left are willing to avoid facts and ignore reality in order put themselves in a position where they can feel good about themselves, so that they can pretend they are heroic.

Joe Smith said...

"Having now read the criminal complaint, someone needs to go to the hospital, and shoot the motherfucker dead. I am serious."

After being lawfully convicted, of course.

effinayright said...

Fernandinande offered Deep Thoughs:

but let's not forget about the seriousness of the charge of rape!

Stealing a car! and running up $1,000 on a non-rich person's debit card! are far worse crimes than sticking one's finger in someone who has birthed 3 of one's offspring.

is not really "rape rape",

But it's not, is it? Using the word "rape" for this kind of behavior is legal Newspeak.
***********
OK, how about "sexual assault"? If the former girlfriend didn't want him to do what he did, that's a crime as well.

Or should women have no say in the matter, because it's not "really" rape-rape, just sexual violence against them?

The Crack Emcee said...

I also like the idea of whites ripping apart the same country they were so proud of because they';re too stubborn than to admit they ever fucked-up anywhere.

The Crack Emcee said...

You can take our lives - you took our lives already.

Dave64 said...

Shot 7 times and still breathing? What was the Cop using? A pellet gun? This crud should be fertilizer. Instead the state will be on the hook for his care for the rest of hopefully short life. Why does the Left try to make these A-holes into saints?

Joe Smith said...

Every white person I've ever known thinks that slavery was evil and wrong. But unlike in many parts of the world, not a single person alive owned slaves or abetted slavery.

White people admit they are wrong (certainly singly as I don't believe in collective guilt) every day.

Sebastian said...

"The crime is sexual assault. In other words, rape."

As has been pointed out, not rape-rape, so no biggie.

"but let's not forget about the seriousness of the charge of rape!"

Sorry ladies, race trumps gender, and black men take priority over anyone else. Get back in line and stop whining about rape being serious. Happens all the time. So?

Clues? said...

The Crack Emcee said...
I also like the idea of whites ripping apart the same country they were so proud of because they';re too stubborn than to admit they ever fucked-up anywhere.


Agreed. There are 1,324,307 voters in WI who need to admit they fucked up by voting for Evers.

Joe Smith said...

"You can take our lives - you took our lives already."

Wow...you should get some help...really. I know people (white people) who carried hatred like yours and it destroyed their families.

Maybe your hatred is justified. But if you don't find a way to live with it in a constructive manner, then you will die a sad and bitter person.

Your choice.

Mike Petrik said...

@Fernandinande --
What Blake is accused of doing meets the legal definition of rape.
But call it whatever you want, it is a crime worse than stealing property. I've been rich and I've been poor, but either way if a man did to my wife or daughter what Blake allegedly did to his victim, he would have a lot more to worry about from me than a man who ran up a bunch of dough on my debit card. But then again I love my family more than my money. I'm funny that way, I guess. How sad for you that you swing the other way. Sadder still for your family.

Unknown said...

Ann, you aren't with the program. Apparently there is no longer justification for arresting a black man for any crime, not arson, not fire bombing an occupied police car and I guess not rape either. If a person is violent when they try to arrest him, I guess they must let him go. New regime.

Yancey Ward said...

Penetration with the fingers is called a "Biden".

Quaestor said...

Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

If Crack wasn't the person he is we could have a civil discussion about the fundamentals of criminal law, arrest, arraignment, trial, due process, and lawful punishment in contrast to ugga-bugga spear-chucking vengeance culture.

On the other hand, if one should wish to operate on Crack's simpleminded level one might ask him what Sue and Keith’s Magical Mattress Store has to do with the arrest of Jacob Blake.

mandrewa said...

"Kenosha Public Radio WGTD is reporting the the charges against Mr. Blake have not been vacated. Race trumps rape in the Democrat Party."

You meant to say that the rape charge against Jacob Blake has been vacated, or dropped. Also he is no longer handcuffed to the bed. Or so says a story at msn.com.

I hope there is a good reason for dropping these charges.

Yancey Ward said...

Handcuffing an arrested person to the bed is SOP in an open hospital ward is probably the right answer. I seem to be seeing stories now that the warrants out for Blake have now been dismissed by the DA.

Big Mike said...

Having now read the criminal complaint, someone needs to go to the hospital, and shoot the motherfucker dead. I am serious.

@AllenS, read my comment at 2:10. Shooting lets him off easy next to what the other inmates will do to a child rapist in prison.

Quaestor said...

hombre writes: 4. You aren’t stupid. Why ask a question as stupid as this?

Objection, m'lord. The learned gentleman assumes facts not in evidence.

John henry said...

Bless your heart, Crack.

John Henry

buster said...

@ Crack

Lethal force (not "murder") is not an appropriate response in defense of property. It's an unlawful response and a very serious felony. Lethal force is for defense of persons.

Real American said...

Seems like a real peach. Definitely the guy I'd want to alienate my customers over.

ga6 said...

Crack got to stay in cause the wic, link, rent subsidy checks won't hit the card until next Monday night? Got nothing to do but stir up race hate?

Kevin said...

because they';re too stubborn than to admit they ever fucked-up anywhere.

Raped his girlfriend: fuck-up 1.
Came back to see her and had the cops called on him: fuck-up 2.
Resisting arrest: fuck-up 3.
Kept resisting after being tased one time: fuck-up 4.
Kept resisting after being tased second time: fuck-up 5.
Went into his car where a weapon was being stored: fuck-up 6.

Fuck-up once in a while? Sure.

Fuck-up so many times that people trained in the use of non-lethal force feel it's imperative to put seven bullets in you? That's something else entirely.

Quaestor said...

Joe Smith writes: Wow...you should get some help...really.

It'll never happen. Some people would rather have a leg amputated than submit to the Minnesota Multiphasic. They dread like cold death the news that they're paranoid and not a genius.

jaydub said...

"Almost dead/ no respect/ and handcuffed to the bed"

What's your point?

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

I was just thinking about the level of female privilege we have in this society, in which you as a woman can freely make your own choices as an Empowered Woman, such as spending eight years in and out of the bed of, and being impregnated three times by, this complete piece of shit. When it goes sideways, as it inevitably does, and which you could have avoided by not making all these garbage decisions, all you have to do is make one phone call and a bunch of decent men will show up to risk their lives, and risk leaving their wives widows and their children fatherless, to rescue your stupid ass. And many times, it happens over, and over, and over.

Kevin said...

Honest question to Crack:

I would like to know at what point someone has "fucked up" enough that the black community agrees the dude should be put down.

Is there such a line? Or is the belief that police have no right to use lethal force.

Because I don't think we've seen BLM say, "Yeah, that guy deserved what he got."

mandrewa said...

"You can take our lives - you took our lives already."

The real crime of the white Americans in the world's eyes is achievement. That's the heart of the resentment. And nothing will assuage this resentment until we are brought down and humiliated, or perhaps even killed.

Not everybody thinks that way. But there are too many people that do.

Nor does it matter that most white Americans have not personally done anything all that amazing. Man's heart is racist, and looking at things through a tribal lens comes naturally.

I'm not sure whether or not the Crack Emcee has ever perceived the world from a non-racial perspective. It seems to be a root assumption in his thinking, and thus perhaps impossible to look at or to question.

It's where this all goes that worries me. There are too many people that share Crack Emcee's brand of thinking. No understanding seems possible, and hopefully I'm missing something, but I'm afraid that all roads lead to genocide.

rhhardin said...

Analog rape is the bad one.

Yancey Ward said...

In other words, Blake stole Biden's move.

5M said...

The Crack Emcee said...
Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?


Reads like boundary issues are present due to desensitization. The response is not appropriate in either instance. No doubt my mind reading abilities say you are conflating personal desires in an effort to convey clever trolling.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Bob Loblaw said...

Possibility #5: it's SOP, and the officers risk termination if they leave Blake unhandcuffed, regardless of whether he is paralyzed.

Having worked with law enforcement in the past, to me this seems to be by far the most likely reason. I'll bet they do the same thing to people in a coma.

eddie willers said...

I would like to know at what point someone has "fucked up" enough that the black community agrees the dude should be put down.

That continues to baffle me, Candace Owens and Shelby Steele.

Jim at said...

Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

I don't know. Why is it appropriate for people who've never been slaves to demand money from those who've never owned slaves?

Unknown said...

you took our lives already

Does that mean you're dead?

If you're dead, why are you commenting on a blog? Don't you have better things to do?

Joe Smith said...

"I'm not sure whether or not the Crack Emcee has ever perceived the world from a non-racial perspective."

I made this point before but it bears repeating.

I volunteered for years at a shelter for homeless women and children, mostly black (I'm such a racist). One of the workers was a young, black woman...off the charts beautiful...a real stunner. And at first I really liked her, we got along well.

But after awhile it was race, race, race. She looked at the entire world through the lens of racism.

When she left the job to attend graduate school, she sent me an email asking if I would help fund her college bills. I didn't reply...I was an evil white man after all...I didn't want to spoil her world view.

Doug said...

Is anyone talking about the fact that virtually EVERYONE of these police shootings/killings could have been avoided if the Defendant simply chose NOT to resist arrest?

I don't believe that is in the skill set of these mongoloids.

Joe Smith said...

"Analog rape is the bad one."

Why didn't I think of that?

5M said...

The Crack Emcee said...
I also like the idea of whites ripping apart the same country they were so proud of because they';re too stubborn than to admit they ever fucked-up anywhere.

A shallow illusion. No doubt a vestige of slavery. Africa created slavery. Western Civ ended it. In that process black culture was rarefied. Not by choice. The crack in your name represents the negative clarification. Your ability to communicate as a good student of Trumpian mannerisms is the positive clarification.

The Bell Curve suggests that the institution of slavery flattened and created a pressure on the middle of black culture. The 10 percent bad actors became 20 percent. The 10 percent saints became 20 percent. We hear more about bad black actors then good black saints. I propose that they have equal populations. The middle gets to choose which direction they want to move to.

Kai Akker said...

Breaking: Blake handcuffs removed. Appointed mayoral assistant at $106,000 per. Charges reduced to jaywalking. Happy days are here again!

D.D. Driver said...

Believe all women.

Well, except her. Oh, and her too. Okay, and don't believe that one either. But, believe all other women!

No, not her either! She's just another exception that proves the rule....

MikeD said...

Re: Coates "talk" with his offspring, he's ignoring the fact less than 40% of black children live with both parents ans an astonishing 1/3 live with an unmarried mother.
This whole "baby daddy/baby momma" dysfunction permeates a large portion of the so-called black community.

5M said...

Domestic violence creates a PTSD that imprisons the victim into the cycle. Its really difficult to get them to change their minds. Its a situation that eventually abuses the children also. Interruptions of that cycle are needed. The mans habits and culture have to change. That goes to his sex habits also. Very difficult.

Butkus51 said...

WHat was the name of that 6 year old black kid that was killed in Chicago a month ago? How bout you Crack? All knowing and all.

The real question is, to which one am I referring to?

gilbar said...

Nichevo asked
The Crack Emcee ...
Which property damage were you referring to, anyway? Blake wasn't accused of property damage, he was accused of rape


It looks like, to The Crack Emcee; women are chattel... That is: Property
Blake OWNED that women, she was HIS Bitch
to The Crack Emcee, the 13th amendment don't apply to woman.

walter said...

ATM withdrawal? Change those personal codes when things go sideways.
Seems like a great guy to start a family with.
Someone should ask him if it's possible HE was with another man?
(cuff the other hand first)

rhhardin said...Analog rape is the bad one.
--
Mattress Girl's video?

Crack seems close to strapping on a diaper and driving to Kenosha.

Jupiter said...

"But it's not, is it? Using the word "rape" for this kind of behavior is legal Newspeak."

So, what's your thinking, Fernandinande? It's not rape if no penis is involved? If you can rape a man with a broomstick, why can't you rape a woman with a finger?

Jupiter said...

"Crack got to stay in cause the wic, link, rent subsidy checks won't hit the card until next Monday night?"

And no ex-GF to rob, either. It's not easy being Black.

Readering said...

Does not sound as bad as what Ivana testified under oath that the donald did to her when he was upset about his painfully failed hair transplant.

5M said...

mandrewa said...


The real crime of the white Americans in the world's eyes is achievement.

I believe this to be true. The lefts main objection to Trump is jobs. And the benefits a job compels over time. Versus instant gratification and the mental imbalance the lack of the job creates.

Readering said...

this is the basis for BLM. White focus on the alleged crimes, not the video of 7 shots into the back of an unarmed man.

Doug said...

"'This is an insult to injury,' one of Blake's uncles told media Thursday. 'He is paralyzed and can’t walk and they have him cuffed to the bed. Why?'"

Yeah, not nice to insult a child rapist.

Michael K said...

I don't think it is healthy to be responding to the delusions of a mentally ill person like Crack.

CWJ said...

Tony Evers could have privately expressed his reservations to hospital personnel, the police, and/or local officials instead of public grandstanding to inflame the situation. But he's a politician, so grandstanding it is.

Bruce Gee said...

An early report I read said seven shots were fired, but only four hit him. So is four hits excessive? The cop may have realized he was missing his shot and kept firing in order to make sure he actually hit the perp. I doubt these police officers are in many situations where firing their service firearm is necessary. Unless they have a lot of live fire military experience, I'm not surprised he got off seven shots.
Having said that, the optics are terrible. Having said THAT, because the optics are terrible there will be a horrific emotional reaction by governors and others not familiar with the whole situation. So it will take a lot of logical, even tempered explaining when the facts come out clearning these officers.
Having said that, Tony Evers is a tool.

Krumhorn said...

all you have to do is make one phone call and a bunch of decent men will show up to risk their lives, and risk leaving their wives widows and their children fatherless, to rescue your stupid ass.

They now also risk losing their jobs, criminal indictments, and personal actions for damages. In NYC, a cop can be charged if during an arrest or other skirmish, the cop somehow impedes the diaphragm of the perp. Given how violently perps often resist, it’s an impossible task to subdue someone without finding yourself subject to charges. It would be safer to let the fucker flee. Arrests in NYC are way down and the mayor is claiming victory in a reduction in crime. Hahaha

I can’t imagine why any cop would look forward to going to work.

- Krumhorn

The Godfather said...

The reports say that the officer fired 7 shots, but only 4 hit the victim. This was at (based on the videos) point-blank range. And the 4 shots that did hit the victim didn't kill him immediately. Is the marksmanship of the Kenosha PD really that bad? Or were at least some of the shots intentional misses intended to get the perp's attention, and perhaps others intended to disable, not kill? Does it matter?

Krumhorn said...

I like Crack. I often read his website. I would appreciate his thoughts, step-by-step, on how the events in Kenosha could have unfolded in a way that produced a satisfactory outcome for all. Of course, when Blake resisted arrest, the officers could have backed off and let him go and try to take him into custody another day if they could find him.

And we’ve all seen dash cam footage of perps who reach into the car and come out shooting. So the cops would have to take cover immediately upon giving up on the arrest. I guess if the perp gets off the first shot, then maybe the cops could shoot back a shot or two, but nothing that could be characterized as excessive force like, maybe, emptying a clip.

But, of course, perps know the drill, and if it becomes clear that all they have to do is put up a fight, the cops will let them flee for fear of a tragic outcome or criminal charges leveled at the cops. I’m not sure how this would be a satisfactory outcome. Would we then later send in a team of social workers to talk the perp into surrendering while explaining how deeply they feel the perp’s pain from societal oppression and injustice and white supremacy.

Most folks are seriously trying to imagine a different way of handling a domestic 911 call like this. Maybe don’t show up at all? Help us out, Crack

- Krumhorn

bagoh20 said...

"I would like to know at what point someone has "fucked up" enough that the black community agrees the dude should be put down."

That would take something really atrocious like saying "all lives matter".

BUMBLE BEE said...

Dude is being held on an open arrest - cuffs are protocol. You don't get to vote on it. Short eyes... gonna love the taste of it after a while. If he lasts.
Little off topic...
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/we-witnessed-the-kenosha-shootings-heres-what-really-happened/

gbarto said...

For Crack Emcee: Whose property? Even if you believe property damage is an appropriate response to murder, why is it appropriate to destroy the property of people who had nothing to do with this? If people had only burned down a police headquarters, you could argue that it was a form of vigilante justice, problematic but understandable. But the people who burned down Kenosha would have been perfectly content to burn down your house too if it were close to hand. And you know that, because they were perfectly happy to burn down Black owned businesses in the name of social justice and what the hell kind of solidarity is that?

Jupiter said...

"His father said he was heart-broken, seeing his son restrained."

Yeah, it sounds like young Jake was not much accustomed to restraint.

mandrewa said...

"And we’ve all seen dash cam footage of perps who reach into the car and come out shooting. So the cops would have to take cover immediately upon giving up on the arrest. I guess if the perp gets off the first shot, then maybe the cops could shoot back a shot or two,..."

There were also three children in the car, so no, I'm not sure the cops could have fired back.

There were no good options. By the time they get to the door of the car, shooting the guy was the only option. Every other choice would have been even worse.

It's a mystery to me how the police officer that was holding Blake's shoulder could have missed three times when his gun is no more than a foot away. A possible explanation is that the first three shots were not intended to hit and the officer was hoping Blake would freeze.

Michael K said...

Most folks are seriously trying to imagine a different way of handling a domestic 911 call like this. Maybe don’t show up at all? Help us out, Crack

- Krumhorn


It's actually easy. Cops stop responding to black domestic violence calls. They say they don't want police (at least Crack does) so solve it like the 500 murders in Chicago. No problem.

Mary Beth said...

An insult to injury?

LA_Bob said...

The Crack Emcee said, "Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?"

Why did Crack ask the question?

To see how many White People would try to Whitesplain it for him! He's probably had a great laugh at this.

Drago said...

Readering: "Does not sound as bad as what Ivana testified under oath that the donald did to her when he was upset about his painfully failed hair transplant."

And this comment, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the clearest indications that its already over and the democraticals know they've screwed up with no chance of recovery.

All the dems have left is fraud on a massive scale with judges lined up to support whatever complete BS the democratical lawfare teams come up with to try and delay the electoral voting and cause a constitutional crisis.

Drago said...

Readering: "...this is the basis for BLM. White focus on the alleged crimes, not the video of 7 shots into the back of an unarmed man."

The lies just get more and more pathetic.

The democraticals cupboard is bare and they are left wriggling on the floor flinging whatever they can get their paws on and none of it is going to move the needle at all.

Steven said...

Is the marksmanship of the Kenosha PD really that bad?

I would expect so; that's pretty typical accuracy at thatt sort of range in live-fire situations.

Really, almost all real-world police pistol marksmanship is that bad. Most cops don't practice regularly, and that's before you throw in the fact that a) they tend to practice in a controlled environment with non-moving targets and b) adrenaline seriously screws up fine motor control.

readering said...

Drago following me again?

J. Farmer said...

@The Crack Emcee:

You can take our lives - you took our lives already.

This is the most psychologically compelling argument and one that is often underappreciated by whites. African-American heritage is grounded in bondage and severed from its cultural roots. A basic premise in nationalism is that people have a right to self-determination, to choose living arrangements that preserve their particular identity.

It is expected that the two groups in the US who are "involuntary minorities, as John Ogbu put it, African-Americans and Native Americans, would be compelled to preserve a separate identity from the dominant one. The search for a black identity is what drives a lot of the interest in Afrocentrism and claimed ancestry from an ancient near eastern civilization (Egypt, Israel).

But there is no need to go digging in the bronze age for black cultural achievement. African-American is a hybrid culture of West Africa and the English/Scottish borderlands. From jazz to R&B to rock to funk to disco to hip-hop, African-Americans are one of the most culturally dominant forces in the world. As Paul Mooney said, the black man in America is the "most copied man in the world."

Dan from Madison said...

The idiom is "to add insult to injury". If you are going to complain about SOP with someone under arrest for several felonies, at least do it correctly.

Sebastian said...

"we get some additional information about Blake: "According to a criminal complaint,"

Are there any instances of police shooting a mostly unarmed black man who is not an actual criminal, did not mess up his life, and did not resist orders in some way?

Michael K said...

eadering said...
Drago following me again?


I think he was following lies. Is that you ?

Drago said...

readering: "Drago following me again?"

Say stupid things and people are bound to notice, See: Russia only invaded Poland from the East because Hitler invaded Poland from the West, while you were lecturing others on being historically ignorant.

It was a real Inga moment.

I mean, that's like throwing yourself across the tracks and then thinking "how odd that the conductor noticed".

Freeman Hunt said...

"To see how many White People would try to Whitesplain it for him!"

Rationality is now "Whitesplain[ing]?" Seems a little racist.

Narayanan said...

has anybody brought up safety of hospital personnel ?

madAsHell said...

To see how many White People would try to Whitesplain it for him! He's probably had a great laugh at this.

So......we got trolled by Crack??

Seems about right. I don't think he's a first time offender!!

Jamie said...

this is the basis for BLM. White focus on the alleged crimes, not the video of 7 shots into the back of an unarmed man.

Seems to me those of us who aren't just blindly and blithely assuming that the police shot Blake without provocation (an assumption very much not borne out by video evidence) are instead focusing on the circumstances. The circumstances were:

* The police were called out by a complainant on 911 to stop this particular man.
* When they arrived on the scene (or before), they learned that he had an outstanding arrest warrant for a violent crime.
* The car he was driving had three kids in it.
* He resisted arrest (for the outstanding warrant and for the current 911 call).
* The police attempted to subdue him with nonlethal force - a TASER - which he apparently shrugged off and walked away from.
* He may have been armed with a knife already at that point - this point isn't clear - but he continued toward the driver's side of his car against police warnings, opened the door, and bent low, apparently (a reasonable person would conclude) to pick something up. Even if all he was doing was ducking to enter the car, if he had been successful, he could have driven off with the kids - or he could have driven into the officers.

The "video of 7 shots into the back of an unarmed [sic] man" is far less dispositive than these pretty well undisputed facts.

gadfly said...

All interesting stuff, Ann, but how do you get past the officer shooting a a suspect seven times in the back? The only mystery here is how could Blake survive seven bullets in the back while the shooter grabs onto Blake's tee-shirt tail? Whatever happened to nightsticks?

Clyde said...

iowan2 said...
Clyde said...
Blake also allegedly raped a 14-year-old. Silver lining: If he is indeed paralyzed from the waist down, he won't be doing any more raping.

You know nothing of rape or rapists. Read this post. "penetrated with fingers".


If he can't walk, he'll have a hard time chasing down women to digitally assault.

bagoh20 said...

"this is the basis for BLM. White focus on the alleged crimes, not the video of 7 shots into the back of an unarmed man."

If black lives really mattered to them, they would focus on what caused the whole thing to happen, not the inevitable result where innocent people are forced to deal with it to prevent the criminal from making more victims. You know, like more women and children being sexually assaulted, or robbed, or killed by the bad guy you care so much more about than the innocent.

What is wrong with your soul or character that you would be more concerned about the safety of this violent, unrepentant repeat criminal abuser of the weak rather than his innocent victims, past and future? WTF is wrong with you people? He would rape or kill you for a sandwich, and these cops would risk their lives and never seeing their families again to save you (a complete stranger) from him at the drop of a dime every single day. Would you do that every day as a normal part of your job?

bagoh20 said...

"Whatever happened to nightsticks?'

People like you demanded they stop using them. Remember Rodney King and the death of 64 people in the ensuing riots. He would have been shot today. Great Job!

Fernandinande said...

OK, how about "sexual assault"?

Sure. Fingering someone against their is quite different than screwing them against their will, and the two actions shouldn't have the same name.

"The political purpose of Newspeak is to eliminate the expression of the shades of meaning inherent to ambiguity and nuance from Oldspeak (Standard English) in order to reduce the language's function of communication," which is exactly what this legal Newspeak accomplishes.

Quaestor said...

This is the most psychologically compelling argument and one that is often underappreciated by whites...

I wish someone would ask J. Farmer to kindly refrain from masturbating in public.

Joe Smith said...

@Gadfly

"Whatever happened to nightsticks?"

My great uncle was a cop in the '30s and '40s in a well-known city now over-run with bums and junkies.

In those day there were junkies, but they hid from the law. There were few bums.

The reason? The nightstick. Cops would judiciously beat the shit out of people (bums) breaking the law...call it 'persuasion.'

The result was people being able to walk in their neighborhoods at night...even women walking alone. Imagine that.

Of course you know if they beat the shit out of him they would be in just as much trouble.

Do you know why Italian neighborhoods on the East Coast are the safest places to live? They take care of their own, using deadly force if necessary.

Lefties love anarchy. Lefties love criminals. Lefties hate law and order.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

The Crack Emcee said...
Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn't an appropriate response to murder?

Because, you stupid little shit, there is a massive difference between "harming the person who is harming you," and "harming someone innocent because someone else harmed you".

And harming someone else whose skin color you don't like, because someone else with that skin color harmed someone you don't know, but whose skin color you do like?

Doing that marks you as a vile racist piece of shit.

Excusing that in others marks you as a slightly less vile racist piece of shit.

buwaya said...

"It is expected that the two groups in the US who are "involuntary minorities, as John Ogbu put it, African-Americans and Native Americans, would be compelled to preserve a separate identity from the dominant one."

Correct. At the root of all the conflict is this exact matter of identity. Nothing can be resolved until this is overcome. And it cannot be overcome in any reasonable social time, not in three or ten generations. And God knows what fate will befall even the next generation, that will make this a trivial problem. History has a way of giving people something greater to cry about.

Or technology will give us some wonder like uploaded minds living in virtual worlds or biological means to recreate people as Adonis, centaurs, or Lovecraftian shoggoths. Race may become moot.

Most places with multiracial/multicultural societies that include former black slaves have a black majority (regionally in Brazil), or a mestizo-mulato society, or both. That is not going to happen in the US, because there simply aren't enough black people and there never will be.

The only way out in the medium term, within the lifetimes of college-age youths, is a black Israel.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

Why would jake blake rape a woman with his FINGERS!? What does he get out of that? He must not be able to do it with his penis. One look at his face will tell you why — he’s queer as a three dollar bill.

Readering said...

Shorter Bagoh20 and Jamie: Always a good reason for a cop to shoot an unarmed black man in the back.

Readering said...

Michael K, Drago's compadre following me.

The Crack Emcee said...

You guys are spewing a lot of garbage here - even Freeman Hunt - so sad.

Look, I came here over a decade ago with two issues - race and NewAge - and, as far as our debates are concerned, I'm comfortable stating the evidence of our reality, over time, has proven me right, and y'all wrong, on both subjects. (Hell, the need for Trump to take over the racist party y'all were so proud of, just to win, is more evidence I was right and it needed to change, too.) Race riots and QAnon, conspiracy theories, anti-vaxxers and all the rest dominating our world confirms everything I've said - it just didn't stay contained to the left anymore.

The point is, y'all shoulda nipped this shit in the bud when I warned you.

Now, a smart person - when faced with evidence that conflicts with their thinking - changes their mind. I've had to change nothing. I've been waiting for y'all to become smart people for a long, long time.

Blacks have been waiting for y'all to become smart people for even longer.

We were told you were smart.

I don't care if you're woke - wise up.

You're wrong.

Nichevo said...


The Crack Emcee said...
You can take our lives - you took our lives already.

8/28/20, 3:33 PM

It's "You may" not "You can." We know we can.

(So would you be so kind as to fill out this permission slip?)



J. Farmer, your remarks are doubtless kindly intended but pointless. Whether "took our lives" means "severed us from our historical roots" or "appropriated our culture," so what? Or more kindly, Gee, that's too bad.

You want it back, guys? Here, take the feijoada recipes and the kente cloth and by God you can take back the rap music, and go your ways. Nobody's keeping you here, not now.

If you're this crippled then maybe the best kindest thing is that you should be put out of your misery.

Tina Trent said...

Hey Crack: go fuck yourself. Use fingers. And to be performative of the relevance, make sure a five-year-old is there in the bed to witness it; steal your own credit card; hand it to one of your purportedly rageful ex-wives with the pin number so they can empty your bank account, and don't pay for the children you create to victimize.

Also, for the coup de grace, hit the taxpayers with your hospital bill for chronic dumbassery.

Sorry for the lack of keyboard circumflex: you and those like you are hardly worth the effort.

Paul Bahlin said...

Crying over the number of shots? That's what happens with pea shooter nines. Give the police 12 gauges. They'll only need one shot.

roesch/voltaire said...

This mornings BBC has a much more reasoned argument by law enforcement officers on the many things that went wrong in Kenosha, I suggest the bloggers here take a moment to read it.

West Texas Intermediate Crude said...

"The only way out in the medium term, within the lifetimes of college-age youths, is a black Israel."
-buwaya at 2339

We tried that. Liberia, founded on American principles for/by freed slaves, with a constitution copied from Jefferson's (I believe they left out the 3/5 compromise).

It's not a very nice place to live, despite being run entirely by and for black people. Per capita income and living standards way below what even poor black people have in the USA.

If you don't like that specific example, look at the rest of sub-Saharan Africa. Lots of countries run by black people to choose from. Not a one that approaches the living standards of a typical black person in Mississippi.

Maybe I misunderstood you. By Israel, do you mean a place run by Jews?

Mike Petrik said...

Let's assume for a moment that Blake did what he was accused of doing and the police did unnecessarily shoot and paralyze Blake.

Blake's revolting behavior no more justifies unnecessary police violence than does unnecessary police violence somehow render Blake a sympathetic victim.

Freeman Hunt said...

"You guys are spewing a lot of garbage here"

There is a lot of garbage. There are also a lot of good arguments against your framing of the situation. It looks like a pile-on because of the necessary moderation lag time, but the comments are independent. You were trolling, and you got a reaction.

We have agreed on many things in the past. We won't be agreeing on this if your position is that the rioting is not something to be condemned and stopped.

(In most of the videos I've seen, the rioters are white. Bunch of white thugs pillaging cities and creating mayhem under the cover of "social justice" while thousands of white more-woke-than-thou try-hards sit safely at home posting that "rioting is the language of the oppressed!" to excuse them. Laughable.)

mikee said...

Thanks, Crack, for your thoughtful response to what I hoped was a basic and clear description of what I learned in a concealed carry class about why one uses violence. Your comment in response was an example of exactly what I've been told to expect here from you. Ignore anything and everything, claim superiority, and declare victory. Not a bad way to behave on a comment page, where the only harm is that you look like a troll, but I hope you don't act that way in real life. It would be so depressing to know you.

Clues? said...

gadfly said...
All interesting stuff, Ann, but how do you get past the officer shooting a a suspect seven times in the back?[ ....] Whatever happened to nightsticks?

8/28/20, 8:45 PM


Truly hilarious comment. My questions to you: What do you THINK happened to nightsticks? Ever heard of Rodney King? And what do you imagine the response today would be to a video of cops beating a black man to the ground with nightsticks? Are you insane?

JAORE said...

"Now, a smart person - when faced with evidence that conflicts with their thinking - changes their mind. I've had to change nothing. I've been waiting for y'all to become smart people for a long, long time."

Physician heal thyself.

Unknown said...

RULES IS RULES

I like how the internet is now full of policing experts

armchair quarterbacking

Armies (infantry) run on rules

the rule is handcuff felon warrants in the hospital

Some here would like to push the rule following decisions down to who?

Doctors?
Social workers?
Politicians?

How about twitter vote on every arrest/custody what they think should be done?
Like / dislike

J. Farmer said...

@Queastor:

I wish someone would ask J. Farmer to kindly refrain from masturbating in public.

I wish someone would remind you that just because something is “in public“ doesn’t mean you have to watch.

J. Farmer said...

@Nichevo:

Gee, that's too bad.

If identity is that inconsequential, then that should be your attitude towards the attacks on European Christian civilization.

ngtrains said...

'she has an article in The Nation


Books and IdeasJanuary 6, 2015
How White Liberals Used Civil Rights to Create More Prisons
In their quest to wipe out extra-legal racial violence, white liberals created a system that continues to kill black people—legally.
Willie Osterweil

Tina Trent said...

Like Mikee's wife, I was in the Grady Hospital in the 80's and 90's as a VISTA and a volunteer. I spent some weekends in the gynecology emergency and rape crisis center. It was extremely dangerous - - a doctor was beaten into a coma and brain damage one night. I'd stand in front of the elevators and stairs and try to decide which one I wanted to risk taking. Inmates were brought in after midnight. Of course they had to be handcuffed. If you've never lived this sort of thing, you have no idea what police face every day.

We could not get convictions for even the most heinous sexual assaults in Atlanta courts, not the prostitutes garrotted to trees in a cemetery, not the ten year old victim beaten half to death, not with mutilation inflicted on old women. The cops caught them; the media and the ponytailed lawyers defended them, and the moronic jurors and preening judges cut them loose. Most of the victims I saw were very young black girls or elderly women. I still have the file a ranking officer gave me of rape cases of underaged girls at a politically connected strip club -- cases officially "disappeared" by the city's first black female Chief of Police, Beverly Harvard. Oprah and Michelle's pal. Rape was practically a defense: you'd get more time for breaking into a house than breaking into a body. That's why the majority of the first thousand or so stranger offenders identified through our state DNA database had only burglary or drug priors -- they pled down and prosecutors took what little they could get, knowing they couldn't get them for rape. It's worth repeating: if you haven't lived this, you have no idea what police face every day. We do not have a police brutality problem in America: we have a brutal criminal problem.

Clues? said...

J. Farmer said...
@Nichevo: “Gee, that's too bad.“
If identity is that inconsequential, then that should be your attitude towards the attacks on European Christian civilization


YES, identity is exactly that inconsequential. And “European Christian civilization” isn’t worth defending because it’s “my culture,” it’s worth defending because it has proven the most liberating, enriching and enlightening system in history.

Cue the trolls.

Rusty said...

Blogger roesch/voltaire said...
"This mornings BBC has a much more reasoned argument by law enforcement officers on the many things that went wrong in Kenosha, I suggest the bloggers here take a moment to read it."
Yeah. Let's take law enforcement advice from a country that has given up on enforcing major crime.

J. Farmer said...

@Clues:

YES, identity is exactly that inconsequential.

If identity is “inconsequential“ then “European Christian civilization“ doesn’t mean anything. How does someone get a culture?

Narr said...

IMHO, most of the liberating, enlightening, and enriching that my Eurocesters did for humanity was due to that embarrassing and wayward stepchild of ECC, Secularism.

Narr
And that's to the ENORMOUS and ETERNAL credit of ECC


Nichevo said...


J. Farmer said...
@Nichevo:

Gee, that's too bad.

If identity is that inconsequential...

Pit it another way. Instead of "Gee, that's too bad," s/r with "So what?" As in, "So what are you going to do about it?"


Appropriating (as in sharing, honoring/homaging or copying, not as in taking; if wiggers wear saggy pants and reduce their vocabulary by 90%, it doesn't stop blacks from doing the same) black "culture," or even the good parts of it-that's wrong? That's a problem?

Should we stop? Whitey must only talk white, dress white, eat white? No ain'ts? No saggy pants and ballcaps turned the wrong way? No chicken and waffles? No miscegenation? What?

To take a more interesting example, Chinese food. You'll pry my dim sum out of my cold dead chopsticks, I do assure you. But what harm accrues to either Chinese or American by this cultural exchange? Quite the reverse, I'd say.

...

Or my other proposition, deracination. Sure, identity is precious. Again though, what is to be done? All that "Nubian" bushwah? Closed communities? No one enters, no one leaves? Or flight? Shpuld the government pay for DNA analysis for all blacks, find their ancestral homes, and repatriate them, possibly in multiple African countries between which they must commute?

So like I said at first, "Gee, that's too bad." I thought it was nicer than "So what, deal with it, life sucks, get a fucking helmet!"

Nichevo said...

As for your "How does someone get a culture?" Simple, join ours. You'll have to act decent, but then you can be one if us. It worked a hundred years ago.

The Crack Emcee said...

Freeman Hunt said...

In most of the videos I've seen, the rioters are white.


But you guys don't claim to be racists.

The Crack Emcee said...

I got as Republican president I can live with - not one of the racist assholes you racist assholes used to cheer - I got a public recoiling at NewAge nonsense and an energized civil rights movement that won't take "no" for an answer.

Y'all's jealous.

The Crack Emcee said...

Freeman Hunt said...

In most of the videos I've seen, the rioters are white.

But somehow you assholes aren't haven't a long and deep conversation about the prevalence of white-on-white violence.

Amazing.

Gahrie said...

But somehow you assholes aren't haven't a long and deep conversation about the prevalence of white-on-white violence.

Which is the bigger, and more ignored problem in America today:

A) White on White violence

or

B) Black on Black violence?

Gahrie said...

We tried that. Liberia, founded on American principles for/by freed slaves, with a constitution copied from Jefferson's (I believe they left out the 3/5 compromise).

It's not a very nice place to live, despite being run entirely by and for black people. Per capita income and living standards way below what even poor black people have in the USA.


The main reason being, when the freed American slaves got there, the first thing they did was enslave the local Africans. The descendants of the two groups have been fighting ever since, including a decades long violent civil war.

The dirty little secret that no one ever mentions is that Black people live better in the United States than they have anywhere else at any time in History. (Of course that's true for White people and everyone else too)

Unknown said...

> You meant to say that the rape charge against Jacob Blake has been vacated, or dropped. Also he is no longer handcuffed to the bed. Or so says a story at msn.com.

> I hope there is a good reason for dropping these charges

The lady who reported Blake stuck his finger in her pussy and smelled it

has become his "fiancee"

now that Blake has $2 million in gofundme and saddlebags of city money to come

Getting a stinky finger was best move he made, after having 5 kids,

now national hero like Floyd

loudogblog said...

This might have been a "zero tolerance" rule thing. I heard on the radio that's it's SOP to handcuff hospitalized prisoners if they're under arrest. The person said that he's even seen people in comas handcuffed to beds. I also heard that they unhandcuffed him once the bad optics of this became apparent. It also appears that The Crack Emcee may have started his Pandemic day drinking a little early. Seriously, he's not making much sense and he attacked Freeman Hunt. (Who is one of the most "common sense" people here.)