August 14, 2020

"So Trump’s Suburban Lifestyle Dream is basically a walled village that the government built for whites, whose gates were slammed shut when others tried to enter."

"What is Biden proposing to remedy at least some of these injustices? Reasonable, significant, but hardly revolutionary stuff — things like expanding rental vouchers while cracking down on redlining and exclusionary zoning. Trump may claim that such policies would 'destroy suburbia,' but that only makes sense if you believe that the only alternative to bloody anarchy is a community that looks exactly like Levittown in 1955....  [T]he big difference between the parties now is that Biden and Harris are trying to make things better, trying to make us more like the country we’re supposed to be. Trump and Mike Pence, by contrast, are basically trying to make open racism great again."

Writes Paul Krugman in "Trump’s Racist, Statist Suburban Dream/Racial inequality wasn’t an accident. It was an ugly political choice" (NYT).

The second-highest-rated comment is from Phyliss Dalmatian of Wichita, Kansas:
Trump has turned the usual GOP dog whistle in a Tornado Siren. Blaring, omnipresent and undeniable. The Party Of, by and for White Males, with their stepford wives and perfect blue eyed children. That’s the myth, and the aspiration. Join us !

Except Johnny starts fires, bullies younger kids and has started stealing pain pills from relatives homes. And Sally has dreams of a glamorous life as a FOX spokesmodel, the epitome of GOP womanhood, before aging out. At 30. But, she’ll find a rich Husband before that, no problem.

Professor, to the very, very large majority of the GOP, not white people are an afterthought, at best. Takers, Moochers, Lazy, irresponsible, criminal, blah, blah blah.

Dream on, GOP. Your time is nearly done. You won’t be able to WIN, irregardless of vast and inventive Cheating.

Trump is your Epitaph. You own Him.
A wild fever dream from Wichita — replete with random capitalization, "irregardless," and raging contempt for white people. What's up with Kansas? I love the inclusion of the "Tornado Siren." Makes me want to conjure up some "Wizard of Oz" jokes. Maybe something with Toto and a Dalmation....

153 comments:

Dan from Madison said...

MAN I hate "irregardless". Ugh!

narciso said...

And the burning mcdonalds and the mortared courthouse, shirley

rhhardin said...

A house on a road where nobody's stealing stuff is traditional.

Lucid-Ideas said...

"Johnny starts fires"

...While Deshaun kills his adversaries from the 17th street sub-set after school and Lakeshia gets knocked up by Tyrell at 17 so she can get started leeching from the state while Groot's inner-city basketball helps Tyrell get his life together for that program before he kills someone in a carjacking and ends up in Joliet.

"Myth"

AlbertAnonymous said...

Good Lord. It’s Krugman and the New York Fucking Times.

Waste of ink and digital space. And a waste of time to read.

Garbage. Absolute garbage.

Michael Ejercito said...

This is a wedge issue.

Biden overwhelmingly won the suburbs during the primaries.

Maybe Krugman should actually try to understand how people in the suburbs feel.

Mr Wibble said...

Reasonable, significant, but hardly revolutionary stuff — things like expanding rental vouchers while cracking down on redlining and exclusionary zoning.

Anyone who's had experience with section 8 renters and their treatment of homes understands that this is exactly why we don't want expanded rental vouchers moving into our neighborhoods. Ditto anyone who sees what happens when the neighborhood goes from single-family homes and the occasional duplex to massive apartment complexes.

Lucid-Ideas said...

"Myth"

These people are completely dedicated forevermore to the absolute destruction of a version of life they themselves can only perceive of. Myth is most definitely the apt word. It is truly fantastical.

It must exist, and if it did not exist, they would create it over and over again to explain ad infinitum their personal persecution complex. "It must exist" they tell themselves while making it up and simultaneously tearing it down.

The Jungian archetypes fighting duels in these peoples' heads would've terrified Jung and forced him to become a monk.

John henry said...

Don't about 35% of blacks live in suburbia?

John Henry

tcrosse said...

The peasants are revolting.

Temujin said...

I'm I alone in wondering if Paul Krugman simply needs mental help?

As for the suburbs...he's way behind the curve. His cocktail party friends in Manhattan (or...should I say in The Hamptons now that they've all left Manhattan) have been professing the oncoming move to bring everyone into the dense urban areas for years. Build up, not out. Bring everyone living together- except of course high paid news people and overpaid academics who will have their homes in Connecticut (i.e. suburbs). This theory about the upcoming move of the people into the urban areas never materialized. Sure...we had some young people move to Brooklyn and Seattle. Portland and Austin. And in all cases- those places are disasters now. But for the past 60 years, with a massive increase over the past decade, people are still preferring the suburbs and exurbs. They are still moving away from the urban centers.

And now...after Covid, after BLM, after Antifa, after defund the police, after 'let's house homeless addicts and sex offenders in boutique hotels in our neighborhoods', after fecal patrols- there is no way in hell the people will be moving back. Not to mention, it's kinda nice having an entire home, with land, and nice neighbors OF ALL COLORS AND BACKGROUNDS working together to keep our areas nice. So- we're looking forward to seeing Paul Krugman and his new drug addict neighbors post their Instagram tweets of them sitting outside one of the few restaurants that has not had to permanently close in New York.

By the way- the suburbs are not walled, though some communities in the suburbs are. Just like Obama's property is. Just like Krugman's doorman bars entry into his building. For now. And, the government didn't build anything out here. We built it. We made it. We fund the government with our taxes and daily we ask ourselves...Why?

Kevin said...

I thought Inga was from Wisconsin.

RoseAnne said...

I keep telling my more liberal friends and relatives that calling people "stupid" just because their disagree with you is not the way to win an election. Four years later they still do it.

narciso said...

Silvas antichristian screed is sourced to krugman and the jesus seminar, he spread the blood libel against the huntress.

Heartless Aztec said...

She's no "Firebell in the night".

wendybar said...

Can you see how nuts they are yet Ann??? This is what we have to deal with, and it is getting tiresome. Can't wait until Trump wins, and these assholes slither away....hopefully.

Drago said...

Look, if the question is when will "journalism" in general and the NYT in particular recover and regain credibility, a first-pass answer is never. Under any circumstances, putting emotionally unstable, brainwashed "credentialed" people who learned all the wrong lessons and take advice from all the other wrong lefty idiot people in charge of the world’s most important 4th estate responsibility would be very bad news. What makes it especially bad right now, however, is the fundamentally fragile state much of the worlds "captive to the far left" media is still in, many years after the great educational crisis foisted on our societies widespread marxist beliefs.

Inga said...

Trump want “suburban housewives” to be afraid, be very afraid. Here come the Blacks and the Poor! Gather your children and lock your doors! Here comes those Section 8 people and whoooosh, there goes the neighborhood!

Kevin said...

These people stopped arguing with the real Trump and GOP long ago.

It’s much easier to make up statements and policy positions that are abhorrent and easily dismissed.

Even Biden’s actual policies are of no interest, as they only interfere with the daily endorphin rush.

Known Unknown said...

Someone should show this to my black, er, African-American? suburban neighbors.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Why did Krugman not actually name the Obama-era policy at issue AFFH, which was such a clusterfuck in the first “community” afflicted by the heavy handed policy, White Plains NY, that it turned this deep blue county (which includes Chappaqua) bright red in the next cycle. AFFH is a power grab by the Feds to overrule and replace local zoning laws and force communities far from cities to provide subsidized housing for city dwellers. Top down central planning in action. It was a disaster in IL and NY yet Krugman misleads his readers by conjuring some “Trump Plan” which so far simply consists of undoing the hideous plan Obama put in place. Let Joe defend the AFFH if he can. Does Krugman even explain what Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing requires I mean FORCES targeted communities to do?

That would seem relevant to the discussion (except to the crazy lady in Wichita).

Kevin said...

In other news, Trump moves the Middle East closer to peace.

Mr. Forward said...

“Stepford Wives” was published in 1972, 48 years ago, 336 in dog years.

Lyssa said...

Who are these people who believe that suburbia is somehow closed off to non-whites? I’ve owned two houses in nice suburban neighborhoods. Both houses came with (perfectly lovely) black next door neighbors. What kind of world does a person live in to think that’s not an option?

Big Mike said...

@RoseAnne, at least your friends limit themselves to “stupid.” Judging from Cookie, Freder, Howard, Inga, etc., Republicans and people who are willing to vote for Republicans are uniformly racist (including blacks and Hispanics), misogynistic (including women like my wife and Freeman Hunt and DBQ and other women who comment here), homophobic (including the Log Cabin Republicans), and anti-Semitic (including Republican Jews).

Inga said...

In the towns in Waukesha County, Wisconsin there are apartment complexes that allow some of their units to be rented by people who have a Section 8 voucher, while other units are traditional rental units. The towns that have the apartment complexes that have rent assistance tenants are indistinguishable from the towns that have apartment complexes that have only traditional renters. There are no towns that don’t have apartment complexes. This has been so for the last 30 years. I’d say the sort of fear that Trump is pushing regarding poor and minorities moving into your town or neighborhood is unfounded and based in 50 year old prejudices.

Lucid-Ideas said...

"Stepford wives"

This line right here is always a dead give-away. You see, the Stepford-wife ideal itself was always a myth. But it's a powerful myth, one that has 'legs' because it represents the anathema most feminists outright.

The Stepford-wife is the ultimate bugaboo, she's the woman who does something/anything for the express pleasure of a man. These poltergeists, while existing in many forms far-removed from the Stepford-wife, do not fit perfectly into the Stepford-mold.

This isn't enough. The mold must be created, mythologized and pedestalized, pelted with rotten fruit, and torn down to sooth the afflicted soul that willed it into existence.

It's straight out of Troilas and Cresida, "A universe wolf, with universal appetite must perforce have universal prey, and thus eat up itself." It MUST exist. These people are most definitely not atheists, they've simply replaced god with psychological monsters like 'stepford wives', 'johnny' or their ex-husband Bill in the pink house down the street from Edward Scissorhands. They must create it so it can be torn apart.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

A wild fever dream from [NYT]

Am I the only one who cringes when I read the saliva speckled, hate filled rants?

"What is Biden proposing to remedy at least some of these injustices? Reasonable, significant, but hardly revolutionary stuff"

"he only alternative to bloody anarchy is a community that looks exactly like Levittown in 1955"

"Biden and Harris are trying to make things better, trying to make us more like the country we’re supposed to be."

"Trump and Mike Pence, by contrast, are basically trying to make open racism great again."

I mean it's just embarrassing.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

“ Trump and Mike Pence, by contrast, are basically trying to make open racism great again."

Wow without evidence Krugman slags Trump as an “open racist.” Open. So not a dog whistle but obvious racism? Show your work, Fool. Point to where the man is OPENLY RACIST, meaning no rhetorical tricks or suggestive hand signals. I want to SEE examples of OPEN RACISM by Trump and Pence. Pence?!? WTF man? No one is less openly offensive than nice Mike!

Show me the sin, lying Press! Price YOU aren’t lying and spreading racial hatred.

Sebastian said...

"raging contempt for white people"

Right. So why would whites vote Dem?

Dirty not-so secret: middle-class blacks also prefer the Suburban Lifestyle Dream, far away from gangbangers.

traditionalguy said...

The running of the American middle class. Once we Deplorables are exterminated the land can be cleansed. Or we can arm ourselves instead. Choices, choices.

Michael K said...

ohn henry said...
Don't about 35% of blacks live in suburbia?

John Henry


I made this point yesterday.

Here come the Blacks and the Poor! Gather your children and lock your doors! Here comes those Section 8 people and whoooosh, there goes the neighborhood!

"Here comes section 8" showing once again that Inga has no more idea than Krugman that there are lots of suburban blacks.

Stupid Inga has no idea why a black family would move to the suburbs. She, like so many Democrats, thinks all blacks are "section 8" renters. No black family would ever own a home that they wanted to keep up. Here is the essence of the white left's concept of the blacks.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Maybe YOU can’t tell which units are Section 8, Inga. That means you’ve never been a landlord and actually had Section 8 renters. Or lived next to them. Or know anyone with enough knowledge of the facts to pierce your bubble of arrogant assumptions. Any of us with such experience can tell you the clean, well functioning, friendly and current S8 tenant is the rare one not the common one.

Mary Beth said...

Phyliss Dalmatian has commented before. She gets lots of attention on Twitter for her comments.

John Borell said...

My two youngest kids have perfect, blue eyes. They get them from their mother, my lovely wife.

I'm Not Sure said...

"Trump want “suburban housewives” to be afraid, be very afraid. Here come the Blacks and the Poor! Gather your children and lock your doors!"

People's businesses were destroyed in the rioting and they attacked a Ronald McDonald House, for crissakes. How sick and twisted is that? Looks like it's the rioting left (and those who support them) who want people to be afraid.

"Here comes those Section 8 people and whoooosh, there goes the neighborhood!"

Yep. That's how it works. If you don't believe me, you could ask my brother and his wife what happened to their neighborhood in Houston when the government resettled all those "fine people" fleeing Katrina there

Balfegor said...

Re: John Henry:

Ye-es, I believe the President was careful to remind the public of that . . . or maybe the suburbs are just 30% non-White, to be conservative (haha).

This "White suburbia" rubbish is all just a straw man concocted in bad faith by people who have chosen deliberately to ignore both reality (viz that suburbs aren't all White) and Trump's own description of the suburbs.

Crazy Jane said...

The New York Times has become the Jim Bakker of newspapers, cultivating and preaching to a loyal and credulous audience of true believers.

Yes, it still looks like a newspaper, but its reporting and opinion sections consist mostly of arguments that support the tenets of a new, theoretically secular religion, most of which can be reduced to bromides that amount to "Everyone knows that _______ is true."

Think of this year's veritable jihad against hydroxychloroquine. Or the willful blindness to the downside of "mostly peaceful" protests that saw more than 100 federal agents assaulted, literally in their eyes, by green lasers in Portland. Think of its confident revision of the country's founding principles in last year's "1619" articles.

The congregation has been so conditioned that it will not tolerate any dissident view. They're as impervious to new ideas as the old flat-earthers who still are imagined to populate the icky flyover states.

I want to think that the pandemic has made us all a bit crazed and that, ultimately, respect for classic liberalism will prevail. But reading that newspaper, right now, does not give me hope.

Tina Trent said...

Krugman's mansion will not be impacted.

Just like it doesn't affect global warming.

Gahrie said...

I’d say the sort of fear that Trump is pushing regarding poor and minorities moving into your town or neighborhood is unfounded and based in 50 year old prejudices.

Really? Then why are the poor so desperate to get away from where they are living now? Why are poorer areas of towns uglier and more crime ridden than other parts of town? Do you really expect us to believe that poverty and crime have no ties to the behavior and choices of poor people and criminals? Poverty and crime are imposed upon poor people and criminals by the system?

This is nothing more than an attempt by people living in gated communities and building with doormen to virtue signal.

wild chicken said...

I see that we had some diversity move here from Oakland, maybe for a "fresh start"?? who promptly got in trouble with the police.

The well meaning local paper actually wrote an apologia last spring, where the subject said he was turning his life around.

Now he's in jail for a drive-by shooting. A fucking drive-by shooting, here.

Diversity is chaos.

Gahrie said...

Who are these people who believe that suburbia is somehow closed off to non-whites?

I live in a nice quiet neighborhood in the suburbs of a city near Los Angeles. My immediate neighbors behind me, next to me and across the street are: Armenian- American, Japanese-American, White, Hispanic, white, white, Black.

Butkus51 said...

A guy with a bad toupe who makes really bad predictions about virtually everything. But, he still has his pulpit.

gerry said...

Krugman (and his ilk) retire daily to their apartment buildings guarded by doormen. They park their vehicles in spaces behind electronic-passkey-locked garage doors. Section-8 vouchers are for little people who really should not be concerned about property vaules in the long-term.

Of course it's different for Krugman and his ilk on weekends. They spend those days out in the Hamptons.

William said...

If you discussed any racial or ethnic group with the casual contempt and hostility with which the commenter dismissed whites,then you would be accused of bigotry. I suppose she didn't mean all whites. Just white Trump voters. So that makes it okay. Nazis and Trump voters.
You don't have to differentiate or look for any positive aspects of their character......The good thing about Paul Krugman is that he looks like who he is. Many Times columnists look recognizably human and some even appear likable. But Krugman looks supercilious and disdainful and unhappy to be alive.

roesch/voltaire said...

Trump doesn't realize those Suburban housewives are nasty and probably won't vote for him no matter what myth he conjures up.

Joe Smith said...

Sorry AA...

I occasionally read articles you link to at the NYT, but the readers are generally deranged. I don't know how 'intelligent' people can be so crazy. They seem to actually think that Trump will start building death camps for liberals and minorities. Nuts.

William said...

They never had to dynamite a Trump Tower because people didn't want to live there or anywhere near one. His record in this regard is somewhat better than those visionary idealists who gave us Cabrini Green.

mezzrow said...

The fever swamps have moved left.

What are we doing as we read these threads of people unpacking their beliefs and their fears in front of the rest of our little community? Those lizard brains hold some very deep engravings of monsters that will not be eradicated by the solvent of reason.

The rise of the lizard brain over the reasoning areas of cognition will destroy the perpetrators of unreason most surely. The real question for me is how much else and how many others will they first destroy before the self-eradication takes place? It is hell to see people you love infected by this.

Deevs said...

Oh, I was confused about this controversy yesterday. The Trump quote went along the lines of, "If Biden's elected, he'll wreck the suburbs, and the suburbs are at least 30% minority." Then he made some odd joke abut how he's deliberately underestimating the minorities in the suburbs so the fake news wouldn't rake him over the coals.

I don't get that joke, but I'm also not sure how saying, "the suburbs will be wrecked and remember the suburbs have a significant amount of minorities" means the minorities are ruining the suburbs. Because, if it did, the suburbs would already be wrecked, wouldn't they? Sounds like what he's saying this isn't a white problem, but an everybody problem.

Maybe there's some context I'm missing causing people to jump to the conclusion this is Trump trying to kick minorities out of the suburbs. But those conclusions are being jumped to by the people who've catastropphized everything Trump has said or done for fours years, so they don't carry much weight for me.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Quote from witchita is what happens when people watch TV all day.

Tom T. said...

Mike upthread has it right. The Obama administration regulations enabling federal elimination of single-family housing in the suburbs were politically toxic through and through. Pushing this issue in the general election is an easy way to alienate suburban voters who are already reeling from the chaos they've seen in the cities. Krugman's political acumen is so lacking that you'd almost think he's working for Trump.

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Joe Smith said...

And no...I do not want wards of the government living in my neighborhood. I worked too hard and too long to start stepping over needles on the sidewalk.

I've worked and volunteered in the inner city...I know exactly the type of people that will be placed in the suburbs had Obama and Biden gotten their way.

Not pretty, even for the liberal moms who seem to have endless compassion until reality hits them in the head (or rapes them or steals their cars).

Government is not daddy. Government cannot guarantee your safety or happiness. You have to work for that yourself. It's earned. I earned it and am not about to give it away...but I'll share with others who have earned it, no matter what your color.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

The crime wave of leftwing antifa fascism might be coming to your town. Democrats are ready to make their criminal terror legal, and all fine and dandy.

Gunner said...

Phyllis is attractive to her cats though.

MountainMan said...

There are 72 houses on my street in the north suburbs of Atlanta, nearly 40 miles from the city center. 36 of those houses are owned by Indian immigrants, all of them high-income doctors, engineers, and business executives. Only 18 are owned by “Americans” and 3 of those are black families. The others are a mixture of Korean, Chinese, Japanese, and various others. Neighbors across the street are Muslims. The house we own, which we just bought in February, was owned by a single black man. All of these people are here mostly for the same reasons: the state’s best public school system; large, modern homes with nice lots; beautiful parks, lots of nice retail and restaurants. It did not require any intervention from the Federal government to create this, just good local government with a commitment to education, public safety, and creating a nice environment for raising a family. Everyone gets along and everyone is welcome. I hope it stays this way.

Mike Sylwester said...

This is a winning issue for the Republicans.

All Republican candidates should follow President Trump's example and make this a decisive issue.

cacimbo said...

The louder a white lefty rants about race, the whiter their lifestyle.In NYC about 25% of the population is black.Yet Krugman chose to buy an apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan where blacks make up only 4% of the population. He also lived in Princeton,NJ another very white area. Guess using $$$$ to wall yourself off from non-whites is just fine.It would be very easy for Krugman to live in a one of the diverse neighborhoods which he claims to long for - why doesn't he.

rcocean said...

Liberals - especially those that read the NYT's - really hate average white people don't they? That's their real enemy, the poor whites and the white working/middle class. Of course, Krugman and people like him, even if they live in the suburbs, don't have to worry about HUD "relocating" 1,000 blacks from Chicago into their small town or nice suburb. And Krugman and his commmentators make it clear this social engineering isn't due to a desire to help poor inner city blacks, but a hatred of White Suburbia. Note that "White suburbia" is a myth.

There are plenty of working/middle class Asians, Hispanics, and Blacks who want their suburbs and small towns to be run by THEM, and not by a federal bureaucrat who hates their way of living.

Final note: I'm not surprised at that the Hatred expressed by someone from Wichita. You'd be amazed at how many "exiled" liberal/leftists there are in Red State America. They're contemptuous and full of hate for their neighbors, and can't wait to either destroy their way of life, or escape to a "civilized" Blue state.

bagoh20 said...

We really need to stop paying attention to people who are consistently negative, and wrong. What benefit can we possibly get from them. They will only make us angry and cause us to miscalculate our challenges and solutions. Look to people with a track record of being right in the long run and positive. This is how you succeed, prosper, and maintain the energy and mindset to do what is needed to get there.

rcocean said...

I know good numbers of minorities and immigrants who live in suburbs and small towns because they don't want to live in the Big City with all their problems. In fact, many of them moved here to escape all that. The last thing they want if for HUD to start ruining the place they chose to live.

BTW, haven't the Democrats/MSM called Trump a racist every single day for 4 years? Everything he does is RACIST. And all his voters are racist too. You even have Fucking Mitt Romney - Mr. Six Percent - calling Trump a racist every chance he gets. Its getting tiresome.

CWJ said...

"Here comes those Section 8 people and whoooosh, there goes the neighborhood!"

Poor sarcasm, but good synopsis of what actually happens.

Now do your Handmaid's Tale fever dream again.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

If they're up by 10 points, why is their raw panic so palpable?

Unless, of course, it's all a shuck. You can see the dynamic at work here, between Krugman and the commenter. Krugman writes anti-Trump blather that commenter desires. Krugman cashes check. Commenter vents appropiate hysterics. Commenter receives emotional and social gratification.

Heroin. Be the death of me.

hawkeyedjb said...

Having lived in two places that were wrecked by Section 8, I can attest to the power of cultural importation in previously peaceful neighborhoods. Plopping someone in a middle class or working class setting does not imbue them with the attributes that created that space. Wishful thinking notwithstanding.

SensibleCitizen said...

The "protecting the suburbs" narrative is risky, so it has taken courage for the President to include it in his campaign platform.

But it is also important. Creating upward mobility for the underclass isn't achieved by plucking them out of their neighborhoods and planting them in the middle of suburbia. They need the tools and culture to earn their way up and out.

The left has done a superb job of punctuating "white" values such as hard work, education and training as oppressive standards that are unachievable by "blacks" -- a sickening similarity to the white supremacy argument.

Indian Americans earn twice the median incomes of white Americans because they add marital stability to the "white" list. They don't divorce and they raise disciplined kids. That's the path to the suburbs.

Fernandinande said...

I like the idea of a "dog siren".

traditionalguy said...

No wonder history is their first target. Our middle class communities were built by whites that established a Government by consent. Read the Mayflower Compact. And read Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration. And read Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.

No wonder the Globalists want the USA destroyed. To which we Always reply, “No Surrender”.

Chris N said...

Hey, Cons!

History has passed you by. You own this orange Toad. This boy king they call Donald is a disgrace your playing on his baby blanket. White racists and Charlottesville dog whistles are all you can hear. Do you even care about the Environment? Black and brown bodies are murdered in the streets by police and by racists in suburbs keep chering this clown. Global leaders are laughing behind our backs and in front of our faces and all you want is to suck oil and rape the planet with gold straws.

Vote 4 Us.

PS get some empathy asshole!

Fernandinande said...

Plopping someone in a middle class or working class setting does not imbue them with the attributes that created that space. Wishful thinking notwithstanding.

That wishful thinking is called "Magic Dirt".

Mr Wibble said...

I don't get that joke, but I'm also not sure how saying, "the suburbs will be wrecked and remember the suburbs have a significant amount of minorities" means the minorities are ruining the suburbs.

They're trying to set up a "binders full of women" moment.

Inga said...

“Trump doesn't realize those Suburban housewives are nasty and probably won't vote for him no matter what myth he conjures up.”

So true!

Drago said...

roesch/voltaire: "Trump doesn't realize those Suburban housewives are nasty and probably won't vote for him no matter what myth he conjures up."

"myth"

Recently r/v agreed wholeheartedly with Crack Emcee when Crack asserted whites were murdering, raping, enslaving and "lying" (yes, literally "lying") for 300 years before any other peoples on earth.

Literally.

Tell us more about myths r/v....and don't hold back on russian collusion and Kavanaugh gang rapes.

Drago said...

I see that the lefty billionaires are paying for more lefty bots to pop on in to Althouse blog and shower us with their street demonstration-level "thinking".

A couple losers last night and Chris N this morning.

I expect to see much more of this as the campaign heads into November.

Lucid-Ideas said...

"Black and brown bodies are murdered in the streets by police and by racists in suburbs keep chering this clown. Global leaders are laughing behind our backs and in front of our faces and all you want is to suck oil and rape the planet with gold straws."

+1000 for troll comment of the year, and extra points for misspelling and run-on sentences. Great job!

RMc said...

I live in a nice quiet neighborhood in the suburbs of a city near Los Angeles. My immediate neighbors behind me, next to me and across the street are: Armenian- American, Japanese-American, White, Hispanic, white, white, Black.

Sorry, but your neighborhood is insufficient diverse, and thus racist. (And, of course, so are you.) Only one of those seven is a POC! (No, Hispanics don't count, unless they're really dark. And Asians definitely don't count; hell, Asians are worse than white people! And "Armenian"? Where the hell is Armenia, anyway? Not in Africa, that's for damn sure.)

Inga said...

“Stupid Inga has no idea why a black family would move to the suburbs. She, like so many Democrats, thinks all blacks are "section 8" renters. No black family would ever own a home that they wanted to keep up. Here is the essence of the white left's concept of the blacks.”

Senile Michael K does not speak for me, nor can he accurately describe what my opinions are. What Michael K described here is probably his OWN opinion on black families moving to the suburbs.

Inga said...

Trump is desperately trying to manipulate white suburban people into being afraid that their neighborhoods will be wrecked by POOR people, some of which are minorities. There are black families who have moved to the suburbs, these are not poor people. The issue is that the poor will be coming into your neighborhood, taking advantage of your nice schools for their own children and maybe, just maybe their children will see another reality outside the ghetto and go on to get a higher education and help lift his own family out of poverty.

Wince said...

The Democrats' "suburban strategy" is all about protecting and perpetuating the union/state monopoly over public education.

It justifies their denying inner city students educational choice today, in exchange for some far off promise of coerced access to better suburban schools in the future.

The added benefit for Democrats, just like bussing: it divides people.

LordSomber said...

So "Johnny" and "Sally" are the fault of the president, instead of their shitty parents.

Okay, "Phyliss."

Swede said...

Hi. White male with perfect blue-eyed children here.

Phyliss sounds bitter.

Probably needs to get laid more. A lot more.

And Krugman's a sad little dwarf that basically exists for our amusement anymore.

It's certainly now for his expertise on the stock market.

gerry said...

Why wait for Biden-Kamala bureaucratic commissars to force people out of their suburban homes, when activists supported by Progressive/Democrat politicians can scare citizens out of their homes?

If it works in the city, it will work in the suburbs. It'll just take longer.

cacimbo said...

@Deeves. Obama added a rule to the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing that would basically force suburbs to build apartment units.This would impact the lives of minorities who fled the cities for the suburbs - not just whites.

hombre said...

Delusion and projection abide. The race baiting is wearing thin, particularly in the face of the race based politics of the Democrats.

Barack Obama? Who’s he? Oh, now I remember. He’s the African American ex-President who was elected without votes from white people except for the “woke” elite. /Sarc.

And “statism”? So among his other sins Trump favors centralized control, planning and government ownership of industry. Seriously? Who knew?

Also, “suburb” is the new race baiter dog whistle? And government policies from the 50s and 60s are in charge and Trump is the culprit? Again, who knew?!

This is truly pap for people in the NYT bubble. Thanks, Paul.

Renee said...

Some of my most progressive friends live there, and don't understand why lower middle class families (minority or white) are not able to have their children do remote. Many are single moms and are either out of work or can not work remotely like white collar workers.

Iman said...

Wendybar @8:23am... Spot on.

pacwest said...

No upward mobility for you!

Temujin said...

Inga- how racist of you to assume and imagine that Black people do not live in the suburbs and want the same things in their life and for their kids as the rest of us do. My Black neighbors certainly do. So do my White neighbors. And the Christians, Muslims, Jews, and atheists who live on this street, along with the gay couples, legal immigrants, liberals, conservatives, and the one pain in the ass HOA tattler who makes it her job to tell people that they have the wrong kind of mulch (Cynthia).

Jeez, seems like a LOT of people love the suburbs. Hard to know that from an apartment window in a city.

MAJMike said...

Remember, kids, Krugman was a financial advisor to Enron.

Birkel said...

Drago,
I read "Chris N" as parody.
The P.S. has me thinking that.

Gunner said...

Kruggy writes this same shit every couple of years. He just crosses out Bush, McCain, Romney etc. and puts in a current Republican boyeyman.

Tom T. said...

Remember that Trump won decisively among white women in 2016. Nothing about what's been happening in the cities (nor the promise to bring that chaos to the suburbs as well) is going to make them swing Democratic.

Chris N said...

Drago,

Suburban gals are reading Isabel Whitaker under Oprah's tutlage and AREN'T GOING to take it anymore. It's not race, it's CLASS! This creeps hands grope Gaia's breasts and tarnish our global future. The Donald can't even speak. YOUR donald. (B)lack lives and Cat lives matter. If I could die my hair in solidarity with all the oppressed victims of this distopian NIGHTMARE, I would.

Inga, you go Girl! Don't let these Patriarchs keep u down.

Inga said...

“Inga- how racist of you to assume and imagine that Black people do not live in the suburbs and want the same things in their life and for their kids as the rest of us do. My Black neighbors certainly do. So do my White neighbors.”

I made no such assumption. This is you assuming what you think I assume.

damikesc said...

Care to bet Krugman lives behind gates?

Bruce Hayden said...

“Why did Krugman not actually name the Obama-era policy at issue AFFH, which was such a clusterfuck in the first “community” afflicted by the heavy handed policy, White Plains NY, that it turned this deep blue county (which includes Chappaqua) bright red in the next cycle. AFFH is a power grab by the Feds to overrule and replace local zoning laws and force communities far from cities to provide subsidized housing for city dwellers. Top down central planning in action.”

Thanks. I wanted to talk about the Obama/Biden Administration’s AFFH policy that Trump recently rescinded, but had forgotten its name, and was facing looking it up by describing it to DuckDuckGo (instead of Google). Always an interesting proposition.

The Dems here are desperately trying to make lemonade from lemons. AFFH is toxic in the suburbs, as it very well should be for them. Why would a suburban soccer mom vote for Biden/Harris when they have promised to reimpose AFFH, and destroy the suburbs that said soccer moms moved to in order to raise their kids? So, they resort to their usual playbook, and call anyone opposed to their AFFH policy a racist. The justification is that the suburbs are less Black and minority, thus whiter than the inner cities. Opposing a policy that would destroy the suburbs that are more white than the inner cities is thus racist. Even if those suburbs are a better place to raise kids.

Which is why it is funny. Dems are just fine with segregating based on wealth, credentials, and family connections. Those are fine, because top Dems like Krugman can, and do, game those to get superior education for their kids, and not having to deal with the dregs of society. They just don’t want the rest of the people, the non-elites, to have these things. But, since that attitude loses critical votes wholesale in the suburbs, those opposed to the AFFH, and preferring suburban, over urban, living are called “racists”. Nobody, of course, wants to be known as a racist, so these suburban soccer moms are being shamed into voting for the candidates who would destroy their preferred suburban lifestyle if and when they again have the power to do so.

Brian McKim and/or Traci Skene said...

Did Krugman just say that he doesn't think Black/black people live in the 'burbs? Isn't this about as embarrassing as telling a blind person that you love Stevie Wonder?

And what is with that little hate essay from that fake person from Kansas? Jeez! Was it ghost-written by the guy who wrote "American Beauty?"

wholelottasplainin' said...

Inga said...
In the towns in Waukesha County, Wisconsin there are apartment complexes that allow some of their units to be rented by people who have a Section 8 voucher, while other units are traditional rental units. The towns that have the apartment complexes that have rent assistance tenants are indistinguishable from the towns that have apartment complexes that have only traditional renters. There are no towns that don’t have apartment complexes. This has been so for the last 30 years. I’d say the sort of fear that Trump is pushing regarding poor and minorities moving into your town or neighborhood is unfounded and based in 50 year old prejudices.
***************************
Poor Inga: she doesn't understand the difference between some towns choosing policies that seem right for them, and the federal government imposing a one-size-fits-all DECREE on the entire country.

derp

Drago said...

Temujin: "Inga- how racist of you to assume and imagine that Black people do not live in the suburbs and want the same things in their life and for their kids as the rest of us do."

The most common characteristic of all white leftists/liberals is their clear belief that no person who is not white can succeed without white liberal/lefty intervention.

The white liberal/lefty hero complex is alive and well at Althouse blog.

And that, by the way, also explains the hatred white liberals/lefties exhibit when they encounter non-whites who have succeeded on their own and/or embrace conservative values and principles.

Just go online and watch all the woke lefty whites screaming Uncle Tom at blacks in positions of authority and/or conservative.

Without fail and without exception.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Trump doesn't realize those Suburban housewives are nasty and probably won't vote for him no matter what myth he conjures up.”

If they don’t vote for Trump, they will get what Biden and Harris are promising them, hard and fast - reimposition of AFFH regulations, which will, very quickly, destroy the suburbia that they moved to in order to raise their kids away from the hell holes that Dem politicians have made of their inner cities. In short, the fastest way for these suburban housewives to no longer be suburban housewives is to vote for Biden and Harris.

Drago said...

Inga: "Trump is desperately trying to manipulate white suburban people into being afraid that their neighborhoods will be wrecked by POOR people, some of which are minorities."

Oh, all sorts of people in nicer neighborhoods, white, black, brown and others, have gotten wise to your lefty rioting marxist moron pals:

https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/08/12/older-englewood-leaders-to-young-protesters-dont-disrupt-our-neighborhood-and-leave-us-with-pissed-off-police/

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Trump needs to gather all the footage of leftwing Portland terror and say -- "this is what the modern democrat party wants for you and your neighborhood."

MountainMan said...

It took me a few minutes but I found this article in The Atlantic from 2008 about the impact of Federal housing policies - including Section 8 - on the re-distribution of crime from city centers to the suburbs. A lot of the article is about the impact on Memphis. This is a long and detailed article but worth reading to understand the overall scope of how housing policies, like many public policies begun with the best of intentions, have unintended consequences, hurting not only the suburbs but the poor people from the inner cities they originally intended to help.

American Murder Mystery

JAORE said...

Dalmatian?

Is she a mixed breed?

The peasants are revolting.
"I'll say" - the King from Wizard of Id

FWIW, I do not have an AA living next door. Reuben lives two houses away. The next AA is five houses in the next direction. Sully is two doors down from there.

Know why I like them? They are good neighbors. Most of the people in the neighborhood are.



JAORE said...

I read "Chris N" as parody.
The P.S. has me thinking that.

Yeah, my first thought was that Sunsong was reborn.

rehajm said...

Trump's a city cat. Dun care about the burbs unless there's a world class golf course in them...

bagoh20 said...

"BTW, haven't the Democrats/MSM called Trump a racist every single day for 4 years? "

It would be interesting if someone could count up how many times that racism charge has been launched at Trump since he was elected via media reports, interviews and columns, and how many times it was done before then. It's got to be in the millions after the election and almost null before. Remember, the racist Hitler was good friends with many top Democrats before he challenged their power. I always ask people what makes him a racist? They have three lies they always go to:

1) He called all Mexicans rapists, murderers, and animals. False. He was specifically referring to MS-13 members, which is what the conversation was about when he said it. Now Pelosi defended specifically the people Trump was talking about (MS-13) by saying "we're all God's children" and "a spark of divinity in every person on Earth."
Isn't that the same as the "terrible" thing Trump said at Charlottesville about good people on both sides? Except that Pelosi actually did include the bad people, and didn't exclude them as Trump did.

2) His Travel ban was based on race and excluded Muslims in particular. Again a lie. The ban actually didn't apply to most Muslims in the world, and was based on the country's ability to identify possible terrorists, and applied to the same nations Obama deemed terrorist.

3) Charlottesville, which is exactly the same kind of lie as the others.

bagoh20 said...

I wonder how many of those Blacks in places like Englewood, who have to confront young idiots telling them how oppressed they are and threatening to burn them down will voted for more Democrats. Are they really supposed to believe that Trump is behind it? Do Democrats think Blacks are that stupid? Well, do ya, punk?

Michael K said...

Senile Michael K does not speak for me, nor can he accurately describe what my opinions are. What Michael K described here is probably his OWN opinion on black families moving to the suburbs.

That must have left a mark on you, idiot. You give away all your leftist delusions every time you post a comment. I don't have to "speak" for you. You do it every time.

Ambrose said...

I enjoy the NYT comments. There are people who really think like that - and think their comments are intelligent and witty. They all pay good money to subscribe to the NYT and be given their daily talking points.

Bruce Hayden said...

We moved last spring not a very nice subdivision. Several reasons, but one of the big ones is that we are now a mile East of the Mayo Clinic. Overall, the best healthcare in PHX. Our previous subdivision was across town, and was about 75% POC, with maybe 50% Hispanic (mostly 2nd generation Mexican American). But we had (dot) Indian, Black, Chinese, etc neighbors. Excellent neighbors. Next door neighbors (2nd generation Mexican American) watched our house every summer when we headed north to MT for the season. Last summer she called to tell us that the garage door was open. She then called the police, whom I (remotely) let onto the house, and waited to make sure nothing was out of place. For the most part, it was little different living in suburbs elsewhere. You could smell the Mexican spices in the air, on occasions. This family next door would have large family parties a couple times at year, where Mexican music would waft over the fence late int the evening, along with a lot of laughter. And some of them lived in extended families, with the vehicles from the house across the street overflowing into the cul-d-sac we were on. Oh, and the go cart up the street that would spin around in front of our house and speed back down the street. You just had to be careful at dusk on evenings with nice weather not to hit them.

Actually nicer neighbors than in the new, mostly white, more upscale, subdivision we just moved into. People on either side are nice. In both, the husbands are execs, and they have a single coddled young kid still in a stroller. Guy across the street has a teenaged boy, and is somewhat an asshole. Already threatened to sue me. Right. You know the adage about suing lawyers. Esp retired ones. None of these pissing contests back in the previous neighborhood. I have one too, so laughed at him. Not good auspices for the future.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

Coyote claxon

Deevs said...

@cacimbo Ah, thanks for that bit of context. I think that reinforces my assumption Trump was making the point this policy would affect everyone currently in the suburbs negatively, including the 30-35% minority population. That's an appeal to NIMBYs, not racist white people.

eddie willers said...

So many blacks in Atlanta moved out to the suburbs that the AJC had to change from "white" flight to "bright" flight.

jim said...

Go Phyllis!

n.n said...

Wow, diversity... fomenting diveristy is a progressive condition. #morons #wicked

n.n said...

Dirty not-so secret: middle-class blacks also prefer the Suburban Lifestyle Dream, far away from gangbangers.

And so does every other person... diversity class as a rule. The suburban lifestyle works for men, women, couples, boys, girls, and family. The urban jungle may be an exotic place to visit, and good for businesses, politicians, the wealthy, and young for a time and then they grow up.

MountainMan said...

Inga: "Trump is desperately trying to manipulate white suburban people into being afraid that their neighborhoods will be wrecked by POOR people, some of which are minorities."

Trump doesn’t have to do anything for those of us who have already experienced what nearby Section 8 residents can do to a neighborhood. At my other home in TN (which I plan to sell next year) I live in what used to be a very quiet, peaceful community where crime was unknown. And this isn’t even suburban as our town only has a population of about 50,000. My neighborhood was established on the edge of the town’s original city limits about 70 years ago and was later annexed. It was always considered safe. In fact, for the first 20 or so years I lived there you could leave your doors unlocked, your cars unlocked, or leave anything of value outside and nothing would happen to it. We once went off for a week vacation and left the front door unlocked. No problem.

About 10 years ago that began to change. We started having vandalism in our nearby city park; homes broken into; and cars broken into or stolen out of driveways. We finally had a police officer come to a meeting with our neighbors to discuss what was happening.

The problem is that there was one street just a couple of blocks from my house that was zoned for multi-family development and had small apartment buildings, townhomes, and duplexes. The city had begun tearing down its obsolete public housing and had used Section 8 to move a lot of those people into the residences on that street. All the activity was coming from there. The officer said it was all mostly drug-related, they saw us as easy pickings to help finance their drug habits. And none of these people were black, they were all white. Aren’t many black folks in my part of TN.

We now have to make sure we keep the house locked at all times; keep our cars in the garage; and I have security cameras on the front and back of my house. It has also made our neighborhood less attractive than it used to be.

Jim at said...

Phyliss Dalmatian. Named after a dog.
Seems appropriate.

Iman said...

Phyliss sounds bitter.

Probably needs to get laid more. A lot more.


That’s a dry hole, Swede... prolly scabbed over too.

Jim at said...

@ Chris N.

Good parody should be difficult to detect.
Try harder.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

MountainMan,

Apart from the income level, your neighborhood sounds much like one I lived in for several years in the 90s. About one-third each Black, white, and Indian subcontinent. Friendly, as in "total strangers say 'Good morning' or 'Hello' from across the street." Neat (even including the crazy house at the end of our block that had about sixty windmills in the front yard, tiny as it was). Considerate, even though between Berkeley Farms on one end of our street, a spice factory at the other end, and an AC Transit bus storage facility across San Pablo Ave., interesting smells were never far away. It was a tiny corner of Emeryville -- then as now the libertarian bit of not-quite-Oakland -- and you were in Oakland if you walked three blocks in any direction but one. The very nearest store was Janta International, which sold mostly Bollywood videos, but also some Indian foodstuffs. The next closest were Bottoms Up Liquors and Black & White Liquors, although to get to the latter you first had to pass the Oaks Club (Emeryville allowed gambling, as Oakland did not).

Now I live in "suburbia," albeit within the bounds of a "city," and my neighbors are a lot whiter than they were in Emeryville. But wtf any of this can have to do with Paul Krugman, who lives IIRC in a mansion that would have astonished Andrew Carnegie, is anyone's guess.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

MountainMan,

Thanks, very much, for digging out that Atlantic piece; I also was going to have a try at that. The gist: Section 8 vouchers were to be distributed through all neighborhoods, so that the poor wouldn't be concentrated as they were in (e.g.) Cabrini Green. The result, fairly predictably, was that crime, which used also to be concentrated, also fanned out; neighborhoods that had had very low crime rates saw sudden (and continuing) spikes.

JaimeRoberto said...

Suburbanites should just lie back and think of social justice.

Personally I don't want a group of bang banging, drug dealing black people next door. I don't want a group of gang banging, drug dealing white people next door either. It's about behavior not color.

While I understand the theory behind Section 8 vouchers, and while many of the people receiving them might be good and decent people, they often have friends and family who are not so wonderful who come to visit and have no concern for the local residents.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

MountainMan,

Thanks, very much, for digging out that Atlantic piece; I also was going to have a try at that. The gist: Section 8 vouchers were to be distributed through all neighborhoods, so that the poor wouldn't be concentrated as they were in (e.g.) Cabrini Green. The result, fairly predictably, was that crime, which used also to be concentrated, also fanned out; neighborhoods that had had very low crime rates saw sudden (and continuing) spikes.

Rt1Rebel said...

There is a subsidized apartment community a few blocks from where I live in Naples. There is a tremendous waiting list for vacancies. If any member of the household is arrested (arrested, not convicted) for any reason, the residents are evicted in 24 hours. The buildings and grounds are very well kept, and the location is very desirable, I would guess that if homes or condos were built there, they would be worth at least $1,000,000 each.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

JaimeRoberto,

I know what you mean. I also lived for some years in a small apartment building in San Rafael, CA; next door (house, not apartment) was what we assume to have been a combination chop shop and meth lab. Anyway, there was constant police traffic there, often but not always at night. I never saw these neighbors, and I didn't and don't care what race they were.

Bilwick said...

Shorter Krugman: "All your McMansions belong to us."

Ken B said...

In Left America you prove your virtue by hating.

Michael said...

Doesn’t matter. Move the poor in and we will move on. It is the American way. We will start a new town ,build new schools and shopping centers. Oh, and churches. Come for us again and we will do it again.

Michael K said...


Inga said...
Trump want “suburban housewives” to be afraid, be very afraid. Here come the Blacks and the Poor! Gather your children and lock your doors!


Then:

Inga said...
Trump is desperately trying to manipulate white suburban people into being afraid that their neighborhoods will be wrecked by POOR people, some of which are minorities.


More Inga logic. Does anyone suspect there was an "oops" in there ?

The bedpan commando never fails to amuse.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...
MountainMan,

Thanks, very much, for digging out that Atlantic piece; I also was going to have a try at that. The gist: Section 8 vouchers were to be distributed through all neighborhoods, so that the poor wouldn't be concentrated as they were in (e.g.) Cabrini Green. The result, fairly predictably, was that crime, which used also to be concentrated, also fanned out; neighborhoods that had had very low crime rates saw sudden (and continuing) spikes.

8/14/20, 1:53 PM

They also tried that little experiment in SW Washington DC. Geniuses like Krugman decided to make DC's smallest quadrant into a mixed income area, with middle class townhouses and apartment buildings next door to low income housing. All the residents would benefit from the diversity!

Well, no. When I moved into an apartment building on I St. SW which faced a block of low income housing, I did so because SW was more affordable than the rest of DC, although much less architecturally interesting. So one night while enjoying dinner on my balcony, I was treated to the sight of a drug dealer shooting a man in the head directly across the street from me. A few weeks later I was mugged while I was walking home from a matinee at the Arena Stage.

I moved out of there to the upper NW. Of course, plenty of criminals live in NW DC too, but those criminals pick the American taxpayer's wallets, they don't shoot them in the head.

Inga said...

“The bedpan commando never fails to amuse.”

The senile quack never fails to misunderstand what people have said because the sounds of the bed alarms and call lights that he accidentally set off confuse him.

Leland said...

Needs a Trump Derangement tag.

Leland said...

Forget the Trump Derangement tag, I already see it has a Krugman tag, so same thing.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

'white' as in DNA

...or do OREO's count also?

where do the 'Tiger Moms' and progeny fit in?

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

race discussions are usually not about DNA. It's about culture.
Culture has a track record, and can be culpable/critiquable,
whereas DNA you're pretty much stuck w̶i̶f̶f̶ with.

Along the lines of Thatcher's "The facts of life are conservative',
functional living is 'White'.**

**'white', as in a POC upbraiding another POC for being studious, etc,
or "trying to act White".
Law abiding = 'Tom', 'house n%$#@er'

Michael K said...

nga said...
“The bedpan commando never fails to amuse.”

The senile quack never fails to misunderstand what people have said because the sounds of the bed alarms and call lights that he accidentally set off confuse him.


Has anyone else noticed the absence of self awareness with this Biden voter ?

Joanne Jacobs said...

The lockdown has made people value suburban living more than ever. You own a house, with more space than your city apartment, and a backyard for the kids to play in. You can take a walk without a face mask and drive, rather than use public transit. There is nothing white about wanting to own a home -- or caring about your property values once you do.

Biden will not run against the suburbs: His dementia is not that far advanced.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

The bottom line is this: I want my neighbors to take care of their property and respect my privacy and the privacy of other people in the neighborhood. Being friendly and "neighborly" is a big plus, but not essential. If they do that, I don't care what color they are.

If they regularly blast music or get into screaming matches at 1 am and wake us up, if they don't take care of their property and let garbage pile up in their yard, if they are hostile or violent or threatening in any way, I don't want them in the neighborhood. And, again, I don't care what color they are.

Unlike Inga, I've actually lived in a neighborhood with low income housing. They behaved exactly like the people I do not want in my neighborhood.

Perhaps Inga's life is so dull that she welcomes people who will drive down her property values, but are guaranteed to add drama to her life. In that case, she should move to 35th and Cherry to add some diversity to her life instead of waiting for the inner city to come to her. I'm sure she can find a nice fixer-upper at a rock-bottom price.

Here's where Paul Krugman lives:

https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/paul-krugmans-house/view/google/

I guarantee that the only poor people who live in his vicinity are his maid, gardener, nanny, etc...

Spiros said...

Dishonest signalling is widespread in nature. Some harmless snakes, for example, mimic poisonous snakes. No doubt some human virtue signalers are engaged in dishonest mimicry too. Many virtue signalers are complete bastards when no one is watching.

Anyways, I actually think Krugman is honestly signalling his commitment to the anti-racist, BLM code. His wife is Black, he's super liberal, etc. But he does sound nutty. America was overwhelmingly built by free, mostly European, people. Not by slaves, not by the South and its sh*tty agrarian economy, not by the government... What Krugman is saying about America is like saying that South Korea's incredible economy was built by North Korean slave labor. It's total bullsh*t...

Josephbleau said...

RA Heinlien said all there is to say about neighbors:




"THIS I BELIEVE"

by Robert A. Heinlein


Robert A. Heinlein wrote these words in 1952 and delivered them to a national radio audience in a broadcast interview by Edward R. Murrow.

His wife, Virginia Heinlein, read them when she accepted on his behalf NASA's Distinguished Public Service Medal on October 6, 1988, awarded him posthumously.


"I am not going to talk about religious beliefs, but about matters so obvious that it has gone out of style to mention them."

"I believe in my neighbors."

"I know their faults and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults. Take Father Michael down our road a piece --I'm not of his creed, but I know the goodness and charity and lovingkindness that shine in his daily actions. I believe in Father Mike; if I'm in trouble, I'll go to him. My next-door neighbor is a veterinary doctor. Doc will get out of bed after a hard day to help a stray cat. No fee -- no prospect of a fee. I believe in Doc."

"I believe in my townspeople. You can knock on any door in our town say, 'I'm hungry,' and you will be fed. Our town is no exception; I've found the same ready charity everywhere. For the one who says, 'To heck with you -- I got mine,' there are a hundred, a thousand, who will say, 'Sure, pal, sit down.'

"I know that, despite all warnings against hitchhikers, I can step to the highway, thumb for a ride and in a few minutes a car or a truck will stop and someone will say, 'Climb in, Mac. How how far you going?'

"I believe in my fellow citizens. Our headlines are splashed with crime, yet for every criminal there are 10,000 honest decent kindly men. If it were not so, no child would live to grow up, business could not go on from day to day. Decency is not news; it is buried in the obituaries --but it is a force stronger than crime."

"I believe in the patient gallantry of nurses...in the tedious sacrifices of teachers. I believe in the unseen and unending fight against desperate odds that goes on quietly in almost every home in the land."

"I believe in the honest craft of workmen. Take a look around you. There never were enough bosses to check up on all that work. From Independence Hall to the Grand Coulee Dam, these things were built level and square by craftsmen who were honest in their bones."

"I believe that almost all politicians are honest. For every bribed alderman there are hundreds of politicians, low paid or not paid at all, doing their level best without thanks or glory to make our system work. If this were not true, we would never have gotten past the thirteen colonies."

"I believe in Rodger Young. You and I are free today because of endless unnamed heroes from Valley Forge to the Yalu River."

"I believe in -- I am proud to belong to -- the United States. Despite shortcomings, from lynchings to bad faith in high places, our nation has had the most decent and kindly internal practices and foreign policies to be found anywhere in history."

"And finally, I believe in my whole race. Yellow, white, black, red, brown --in the honesty, courage, intelligence, durability....and goodness.....of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on this planet. I am proud to be a human being. I believe that we have come this far by the skin of our teeth, that we always make it just by the skin of our teeth --but that we will always make it....survive....endure. I believe that this hairless embryo with the aching, oversize brain case and the opposable thumb, this animal barely up from the apes, will endure --will endure longer than his home planet, will spread out to the other planets, to the stars, and beyond, carrying with him his honesty, his insatiable curiosity, his unlimited courage --and his noble essential decency."

"This I believe with all my heart."

Big Mike said...

Trump is desperately trying to manipulate white suburban people into being afraid that their neighborhoods will be wrecked by POOR people, some of which are minorities.

Most people who are in any way sentient are aware of what happens when the government puts Section 8 housing in their neighborhood. Back in the 1980s the government bought a number of houses in an upscale neighborhood not far from us named Tamarack, and used the houses for Section 8 housing. It was a disaster for the people who were already living there, because the people who were moved in lacked the money, and possibly the will, to maintain the large houses and largish lawns and so the properties deteriorated. That dragged down the home values around them, and eventually the home values for the entire development.

There are black families who have moved to the suburbs, these are not poor people.

This is kind of a non-sequitor. There's a difference between black and poor. I think that if you were presented this as a question on a test you would get this right, but deep inside you simply assume that black means inherently poor. This is sort of like Robin DiAngelo arguing, in a cloud of turgid academic-speak, that blacks are inherently lazy and shiftless and we "fragile" whites just have to cope. Meaning that the black people I used to work with were an anomaly.

The issue is that the poor will be coming into your neighborhood, taking advantage of your nice schools for their own children and maybe, just maybe their children will see another reality outside the ghetto and go on to get a higher education and help lift his own family out of poverty.

Strange. First you say that the black families are not poor, and then you revert to writing about poor ghetto dwellers. For my part, I know what happened when the boundaries of my children's school were redrawn to bring in large numbers of low income children. Over a single summer our school's demographics when from average to majority minority, and not by a little. IIRC the percentage of students needing free and reduced cost meals went up to 60%. That's a lot. And what happened was not that the low income students had an opportunity to "see another reality outside the ghetto," but that they responded to anything they regarded as in any way insulting with violence, they disrupted class, they treated the teachers with contempt, and fundamentally they made it tough for the other kids to learn.

So which am I supposed to believe? Inga's rantings or what I saw with my own eyes?

The eyes have it.

Big Mike said...

Trump is your Epitaph. You own Him.

Trump is all that stands between us and progressive mobs marching down our streets demanding that we move out of our homes so that poor black people can move in.

Drago said...

So let me get this straight.

Trump, the guy that broke down the segregation in West Palm Beach and allowed Jewish and Black members into his golf club and crushed those barriers, the same club where he banished Epstein after Epstein was hitting on young workers, Trump is the racist.

All on top of a 4 nation peace deal involving Israel and the UAE, Oman and Bahrain.

Wow. Sounds horrific!

Drago said...

Hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers with the means to do so have fled NYC for safer environments.

Inga thinks they are all racists.

And Confederates too probably.

Unknown said...

So now it is evil to live in suburbs? Almost all suburbs are NOT gated. There is no more redlining. It is all a straw man of hate.
The rate of crime in my town was essentially zero until sec 8 housing people moved in. Make of that what you will.

Michael K said...

This whole Trump vs the suburbs is foolish on the part of the Democrats. They have convinced a lot of suburban white woman, like a local idiot, that being "Woke" is important. Trying to sell section 8 housing to suburban women is not a winner. They like to virtue signal at a distance, thank you.

mikee said...

As a landlord and as a home builder, I understand the intention of moving Section 8 housing into suburbia. It is to destroy the resistance of the populace to arbitrary tyranny by the government. When your taxes go up to build a slum next door to your nice neighborhood, and you accept it, you'll accept anything done to you.

n.n said...

So let me get this straight... Trump broke down the segregation... 4 nation peace deal

The facts do not speak to their narrative ("truth"). We can expect another 16 trimesters of trials, judgments, tales, and protests.

n.n said...

So let me get this straight.

Trump...


He's also openly, unabashedly religious (i.e. moral), humanist, pro-life.

todd galle said...

These policies drove us from our first home, a 1917 semi detached 4 bedroom 4 car garage outside of a smaller city. The neighborhood changed over 3 months or so after the program started. Petty crime, strange vehicles at all hours, but it was the gunshots in the alley that sealed our departure. Plus, the impact on the local schools was quite apparent, as at the last Parent-Teacher Night we attended before moving there were 5 married couples (of various races), and 3 single parents. Out of a class of 25 students. Moved to a mid-century modern ranch a couple of miles away on an out of the way tiny street and have never regretted it - other than me having to move all my books. The next time I move, it's out the front door in a box.

DeepRunner said...

Ann Althouse asked...
"A wild fever dream from Wichita — replete with random capitalization, "irregardless," and raging contempt for white people. What's up with Kansas?"

So...I'm just gonna take a stab in the dark. "Irregardless" of the hideous grammar, caps, etc., Wichita is a college town. Yeah, college towns are usually home to people who hear tornado sirens whenever a haolie speaks, and, just stereotyping here, people who have the most visceral response whenever a white guy talks, even though they themselves maybe whiter than Wonder Bread. Antebellum for the Antifa set.