From "The Girl Scout Uniform, Updated for Gen Z/A stylish utility vest. Leggings. Denim. For the first time in decades, the Girl Scouts are getting new clothes" (NYT).
I thought the reason not to get the large size iPhone was that you wanted to be able to carry your phone in your pocket. Now, it seems, pockets need to be large enough to carry the large iPhone. What a strange inversion of priorities!
ADDED: On the subject of me and pockets, I'll just quote a post of mine from last year:
I eschewed purse-carrying from the age of about 18 until... when was it? I insisted that clothes have pockets, only carried around a skinny wallet and keys, and considered it a feminist issue. Also a freedom issue. At some point, I decided it was simpler to carry a very small handbag, big enough for a wallet and keys and — ah, yes, the cell phone. It was the cell phone that made me want to get my carry-ables out of my clothing and separately compartmentalized.Even a small phone was too much for the pockets I felt good about. Too bulky! I can't imagine wanting the bulkiness of the large iPhone as part of my clothing.
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Technology moves on and society changes to suit, including, most trivially, the cut of ones clothing.
This is not new. Its been so since the invention of agriculture.
One day that Iphone will be, perhaps, in the form of a holographic or retinal projection.
I wonder what sort of pocket will be needed then.
The new Girl Scout Push-Up Bra should increase cookie sales.
I am Laslo.
Pockets are there to hold things, though -- it makes sense they'd be sized for what they should hold. I have a phone pocket on my suit jackets that's where a pen pocket would be. We measured it out specifically to make sure it would fit my phone (which was larger than average in those days) because otherwise it would be useless.
Also, don't women sometimes complain that their clothes either have no pockets or the pockets are largely decorative (e.g. on womens' skinny jeans)? Seems good to have pockets reclaim their function on a uniform.
What a strange inversion of priorities!
Not if you're 14 and the calendar says 2020.
Alphas get the big phone.
Let the girls wear them as breastplates.
The Boy Scouts, focused on surviving in the cold, by having a Klondike Derby every February, and spend 2 days and nights learning and doing things in the cold. Boy Scouts taught leadership, Scout led troops with adult supervision.
Girl Scouts make sure they have their phone...to make cookie sales.
We had kids in both. Shame which one survived.
They “need” the iPhone with the biggest screen and the best camera. Can’t TikTok without it.
Technology is always the tool that can become the master. Cars and highways made long-distance commuting vastly more possible. Raise the kids in a nice leafy place, have little time with them, fight with traffic every day. An entire way of life. The family vacation was also funny. Studies showed that young kids have great difficulty paying attention to anything while seated in a car. Maybe today's devices make this better, but then they could just be at home. How many parents decided that putting the kids in the car and driving 1,000 miles was the right thing to do?
My sisters and daughter complains that none of the pants not from the thrift store has pockets large enough for a wallet or any modern call phone.
They are large enough for the no longer fashionable Zoolander sized phones.
I thought the reason not to get the large size iPhone was that you wanted to be able to carry your phone in your pocket.
And I thought the purpose of scouting was to set aside the electronics and learn some basic life skills. We both learned something today. (Actually, I already knew that the Girl Scouts are failing as an organization because they have abandoned their fundamental values and so have basically nothing to offer young girls but the opportunity to sell delicious cookies.)
Laslo Spatula said...The new Girl Scout Push-Up Bra should increase cookie sales.
The Gorgeous Girls of Cookie Sales, coming to Netflix this Fall!
"I thought the reason not to get the large size iPhone was that you wanted to be able to carry your phone in your pocket. Now, it seems, pockets need to be large enough to carry the large iPhone. What a strange inversion of priorities!"
Not an inversion - a recalculation. At $1100 a pop, those phones need their own dedicated pockets.
And the case, the pocket people always forgets the protective case. The other pocket is for the drone.
increase cookie sales
serious questions
what Does the Girl Scouts do, besides cookie sales?
[i've fished at 2 closed Girl Scout camps, sold to the state so far this year]
how do Child Labor Laws affect cookie sales? Is it LEGAL to use 12 year olds, if they are unpaid?
Let the kids drive. Then everybody pays attention.
What about a knife pocket?
I'm so glad I am not glued to a phone. I don't own one, and don't want one.
And here I thought the pocket needed to be big enough to hold a pistol.
I knew there was another reason I liked you. I hate carrying a purse and do it only when necessary.
When picking out the dress for my son’s wedding a few years ago - the dress with the pockets won!
Although I won’t be heading to Camp Randall for any Badger games this fall - I always end up making a comment while standing in the security line about the women that bring purses to the games - its a football game - you don’t need a purse.
Phone and small wallet for license and cc and a little cash. No keys (I drive a Tesla - so phone or cc activate the car). And now many businesses have upgraded their cc devices so a phone or watch work.
I go for the smaller iPhones so that they do fit in a pocket.
Ann says: "I eschewed purse-carrying from the age of about 18 until... when was it? I insisted that clothes have pockets, only carried around a skinny wallet and keys, and considered it a feminist issue. Also a freedom issue."
An attorney friend of mine in Madison started her own women's fashion line earlier this year based on this very concept.
http://pursesuitz.com/
Don't think she's on Amazon yet, though!
Nothing wrong with the phone pocket but the photo of the new 'uniform' conveys a sexual persona in keeping with the increasing trend toward sexualizing children. I don't like it.
The Down And Dirty Of Vagina Smuggling
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vagina-smugglers_n_5548910?
can this be part of trans-surgery enhancements?
when I see girl shouts at the entrance of the store... they are not wearing uniforms.
Pretty soon the phones will be back to the circa 1987 Gordon Gekko size and we will have come full-circle. He was an Alpha-Boss with that phone, and you can be too! Greed is good, and so is an Xtra Large phone.
You know what they say: The bigger the phone, the bigger the case.
Donna Noble had something to say about pockets on Dr. Who. Link
Sunglasses, reading glasses, phone, keys, wallet, notebook. But I'm a guy so I carry a bag. Not a purse (though I'd rather carry a purse than a man-purse, the term my wife uses to belittle my bag).
"For the first time in decades, the Girl Scouts are getting new clothes"
I suppose their old clothes were worn out.
(Actually, I already knew that the Girl Scouts are failing as an organization because they have abandoned their fundamental values and so have basically nothing to offer young girls but the opportunity to sell delicious cookies.)
They sell cookies to pay for the adults (last I saw their bloated, staff heavy org was still headquartered on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan) and the organization indoctrinates them in leftist garbage. My last year as a troop leader was the year the boring-ass workbooks replaced the traditional hands-on activities and the workbooks were full of info on lesbian athletes, etc. I mean good for them and all but it's not the same as learning to build fires and other fun stuff.
Re phone in pocket: I don't want anything heavy pulling my clothes off center. Does anyone? I sometimes carry phone in my running shorts pocket around the house and it drives me nuts. I don't even like the case for my AirPods to be in my pocket.
I was a Girl Scout from Brownies through Cadets (say third grade through my sophomore year). I went to Girl Scout camps a week or two each, for four summers, the only four in which we were living close enough for those camps to be drivable within a couple of hours. To this day, I can't decide how I feel about all those years. I got SO many badges as a Junior - but most of them were of the ilk of "letter writing" and "civics" when what I wanted was more of the "knot tying" and "camp cooking" and "tracking." I was envious of the Boy Scouts, who actually got to do fun stuff like that a lot, but proud to be a member of an all-girls' organization in the time of second wave feminism. Sigh.
My kids all did Scouting for a while, but none of them for as long as I did. The oldest got to, what, First Class before he bailed; the other two didn't even come close to that. I think it takes a certain lack of cynicism and a certain surplus of joiner-ness to be a Scout, both of which I had and apparently didn't pass on to my own kids.
As for the pockets - good. Phones are expensive and we might as well admit that everyone, including kids, carries one. For those thumping their chests about how Scouting is about putting away the electronics and learning life and survival skills - yes, yes, see above, but the Boy Scouts (who, I would bet, also carried their phones everywhere) always had functional pockets in their uniforms, didn't they?
Pockets are great! Convenient and necessary.
However, I have always had to carry a purse. Wearing glasses from an early age and later contact lenses (when they were still hard little shells that go on your eyes), pockets wouldn't do for the two types of glasses (before instant darkening lenses) and contact paraphernalia.
Then there are calculators. Pens. Notepad. Wallet with cards etc. Coins and folding money. Magnifying glass to see the fine print on labels on antiques that I am shopping for. Hell. Might as well carry some tissues, candy!, lip gloss. This is before cell phones! A flip phone is all I need anyway.
I would look like Inspector Gadget with a zillion pockets.
Carry a purse. It makes an excellent bludgeon and if you shift sides while carrying, it builds your upper body and arm strength 😁
pockets should also be large enough for prostate medication
... some girls have prostates now.
For years I have carried a light waterproof sling bag and recommend it highly to men. With the new models the largest size iphone fits in the wide strap across your chest and can be retrieved in about 3 seconds. I carry a knife and pepper spray, wallet, glass cases, bandanas, face masks, keys, charger, sunscreen. They are pickpocket proof. I cannot imagine carrying a wallet and sticking my huge iphone in a pocket.
But I'm a guy so I carry a bag. Not a purse (though I'd rather carry a purse than a man-purse, the term my wife uses to belittle my bag).
I liked that scene in Dexter where the woman with whom he was murdering people called his tool-bag a purse.
@Althouse
The difference between me and you is probably six inches and almost a hundred pounds.
The size of the large iPhone isn't bad, my previous one was the 'plus' model. But they made this one heavier which I don't love. The upside is the battery lasts for days.
If you're a runner the size/weight is not ideal in a pocket. If you're a walker like me, the size/weight is not an issue. I don't care about looking stylish.
I went with the large version (expensive but I keep them until they die) because my eyes aren't what they were. Also, it is large enough to comfortably watch movies when traveling, letting me leave the iPad that I used to carry, at home.
One device to rule them all...
Besides, I thought the Girl Scouts were going away, or getting merged with the Boy Scouts. Or maybe that's just for the butch chicks.
Are the pockets big enough to hold the portable abortion-on-demand kit?
That's very big now with the Girl Scout brass...top priority these days. You can keep your stinking knots...
My mother had a purse the size of a suitcase, and after we were married my wife's purse got bigger and bigger as time went on. She just spent a fortune on some designer purse, which looks just like the old less expensive purse to my male eyes, but whatever.
I didn't realize the Girl Scouts still existed. Last time i saw them, they were selling cookies at the local Grocery store. I suppose they do some good, but they always were just a copy-cat organization, that never would have existed if the Boy Scouts had not become popular. Unlike the BSA they were never religious or had a Gay Scoutmaster problem, probably because the whole organization has always been run by Lesbians. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
My mother had a purse the size of a suitcase, and after we were married my wife's purse got bigger and bigger as time went on. She just spent a fortune on some designer purse, which looks just like the old less expensive purse to my male eyes, but whatever.
I didn't realize the Girl Scouts still existed. Last time i saw them, they were selling cookies at the local Grocery store. I suppose they do some good, but they always were just a copy-cat organization, that never would have existed if the Boy Scouts had not become popular. Unlike the BSA they were never religious or had a Gay Scoutmaster problem, probably because the whole organization has always been run by Lesbians. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I've always tried to keep my pockets clear, and my wallet as thin as possible. I don't like carrying around stuff. Right now, its just a D/L, Credit card, and a medical card. Plus some twenties in my front pocket. And the necessary house/car key. My cellphone is as small as possible.
Seinfeld has some memorable stories about wallets, including George's "Big Wallet" and Jerry's Man-purse, one of the funniest episodes.
Jamie, I agree. Although I was in Camp Fire Girls rather than Girl Scouts, the experience was equally lame. Learning real outdoor survival skills is as important for girls as for boys and a lot more engrossing than selling cookies or mints.
The BSA seems to have committed suicide with its getting rid of God and letting scoutmasters be Gay. It was under attack and hated by the ACLU and the Left, but instead of fighting let itself become converged and is dying. Republican Gates is leading the decline. Never put a Moderate Republican Bush-type in charge, and expect them to fight the left, they'll surrender every time.
"The new Girl Scout Push-Up Bra should increase cookie sales."
At a certain address in Chappaqua, perhaps.
Otherwise, it's hard to push up what isn't there (yet)...but Bill is a patient man : )
"Alphas get the big phone."
The second prize is a set of steak knives
Btw, coffee is for closers only.
@DBQ
"Then there are calculators. Pens. Notepad. Wallet with cards etc. Coins and folding money. Magnifying glass to see the fine print on labels..."
A phone can do all of those things...
Watched a female roadie work with her hands and use a phone on a cross-body sling case. I was amazed at how quickly she went from one to the other. Made me want one, even though I really don't need to be that adroit.
White Female Fragility
Functional, perhaps, but very ill-assorted looking.
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...My last year as a troop leader was the year the boring-ass workbooks replaced the traditional hands-on activities and the workbooks were full of info on lesbian athletes, etc. I mean good for them and all but it's not the same as learning to build fires and other fun stuff.
My daughter did 2 years of Girl Guides (the Canadian version of Girl Scouts). She dropped out from boredom. Very little camping, almost no community service, the merit badges were a joke. I have no idea what they did with their time other than eat candy.
You mention building fires. In her troop, they were taught how to build a fire using pretzels as logs, M&Ms as the stone circle, and gummie worms for flames. Obviously, no actual fire was involved.
The Washington Times quoted a Girl Scout mom who stated, “They do use unpaid child labor to make their sales, and the troop only gets 10 percent of the revenues anyway.” It is a bad sign when a mother involved in the program explains to customers the flaws of the sales. She also confirms that for all the work the young girls put into the program they only get 10% back.
as someone on reddit pointed out; Nike should start a scouting organization, that would teach disadvantaged children about economics by making and selling Shoes
Why has no one suggested a "fanny pack"? It would seem to satisfy all elements, political and stylistic. It would hold geegaws of varying size without any gender bias. The only requirement is that the wearer have a fanny.
You also need pockets to keep your weed in.
Blogger MikeM said...
Why has no one suggested a "fanny pack"? It would seem to satisfy all elements, political and stylistic. It would hold geegaws of varying size without any gender bias. The only requirement is that the wearer have a fanny.
You obviously don't know what "fanny" means in British English... Americans talking about their "fanny packs" causes much mirth in Ireland.
I was in Girl Scouts so long ago that the uniforms were dresses, and jumpers for Brownies. We wore our uniforms to school on the meeting days as they occurred directly after school. We were able to wear pants under them in winter for warmth but had to ditch them for the meetings. No pockets to be found anywhere, if I remember correctly. I quit Girl Scouts when I entered Junior High. The programs were lame and never seemed to have any rhyme or reason.
This is why men wear cargo pants...and also cargo shorts.
I carry a handkerchief in a pocket in my jeans. I don't wear a mask, because I have a handkerchief to cover my mouth when I sneeze. I thought all civilized people did that. Some folks have to strap a handkerchief to their face in case they forget, I guess. I put my keys in the other pocket. I don't carry a phone.
tim maguire said...
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...My last year as a troop leader was the year the boring-ass workbooks replaced the traditional hands-on activities and the workbooks were full of info on lesbian athletes, etc. I mean good for them and all but it's not the same as learning to build fires and other fun stuff.
My daughter did 2 years of Girl Guides (the Canadian version of Girl Scouts). She dropped out from boredom. Very little camping, almost no community service, the merit badges were a joke. I have no idea what they did with their time other than eat candy.
You mention building fires. In her troop, they were taught how to build a fire using pretzels as logs, M&Ms as the stone circle, and gummie worms for flames. Obviously, no actual fire was involved
Canada has Girl Guides, Girl Scouts, and girls are allowed to join Scouts Canada. All three are t=usually at the one camporee we travel to in Canada each year. The girls in Scouts Canada think of the girls in the other two organizations as wimps. American Scout troops and coed Canadian Scout troops are mixed in their subcamps. GAS, Canadian Girl Scouts and Girl Guides have their own subcamps. Which are no-mans lands. A few times we've traveled with a local GSA troop. They and their leaders can visit us, we can't visit them.
I feel a need to mention that Cub Scouts are young kids, older kids become Boy Scouts, and if you start young in Scouting and keep going you are, at one time or another, Webelos. There. I said it. Webelos. WEBELOS stands for "We Be Loyal Scouts", and the Arrow of Light insignia is the only item from Cubs that you keep on your Boy Scout uniform.
Back when Sony decided to enter the US market, they had a great little pocket sized transistor radio. They would have their salesmen demonstrate how it fit in the shirt pocket.
Sony gave the salesmen custom shirts with larger pockets, because the radio wouldn't fit in ordinary shirt pockets.
You youngsters would not understand how cool that radio was. It ran on an 9-volt battery for hours! It pulled in all the AM stations! It came with a little wired earbud (not buds; AM radio is monaural)! One could listen to the ballgame under the covers after lights out! Baseball players actually wanted to play!
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