Spooky crackdown? The place has been rioting for five weeks straight! And take a look at the videos...I see very few Black or Brown faces. This is a Marxist insurrection, and in the olden days would have been met with cannon and rifle fire.
This is rather like controlling the border. There is strong Democratic support for any action except one which will actually do so. Likewise, anything which will actually control the Antifa/BLM thugs is off the table.
Most of the working class African Americans in Milwaukee want Trump to send in the feds. They are tired of the white rioters and want them to face the consequences.
This is what *they* wanted him to do from the gitgo. So they could scream fascist! Brownshirts! Now, they finally have their chance. But if he doesn't do anything he looks pretty weak, for such a badass persona.
Starting to have a new appreciation of Weimar. Maybe there were some details that got lost in the writing of history.
It's interesting they say this could "spread" to Chicago, because Twitter was full of people saying protesters were being kidnapped by unnamed police forces back in June when the rioting was new in Chicago.
The Federal law enforcement officers are not "anonymous" nor are they "spooky". They are US Customs and Border Protection Tactical Teams (BORTAC), headquartered in El Paso. Their website is here. They are there to protect US government buildings and property from the rioters. In downtown Portland they have attacked the Mark Hatfield US Court House, the Customs House, and a Federal office building. The stupid Portland mayor, Ted Wheeler, has not only failed to stop any of this but has actually aided and abetted it and tried to interfere with the Feds legitimate power to protect US government facilities. I wish they would arrest him, too.
Each unit member has a US CBP patch on his left shoulder and a rectangular patch underneath with their Badge/ID number. I have plenty of lefty friends on Facebook calling them "secret police" and an example of Trump's "creeping fascism." They are neither.
I don't see much difference with Trump sending the BORTAC units to protect Federal property than Col. R. E. Lee being sent with a detachment of Marines to recover the US armory at Harpers Ferry from John Brown and his followers in 1859. These BLM/Antifa idiots maybe should study a little history.
Local cops and the feds are clearly colluding v. clearly cooperating. How about local governments and activist groups are clearly colluding v. cooperating? What fun! There's a lot of potential here.
Antifa doing vandalism, arson, beatings. All while hidden behind masks. Arrested? Released same day. Amusing to see them whining about mild push back. Throughout all the protests and riots, has a single person been shot and killed by a cop?
Protests in Portland are not peaceful. I really don’t care. They get what they voted for, and seem to like it. But, it is destructive, and organized by ANTIFA. Propaganda is now being pumped out and the media is latching on to ANTIFA's narrative. Some of the videos show what seems to be and extraction of undercover federal agents infiltrating the mob. If you follow Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) on twitter you can see the daily violence and destruction. Some of it is so stupid it’s funny.
Trump has to walk a fine line here. The leadership of these Blue cities deserve the chaos. But the kids who are being shot in Chicago do not. It is tragic, and no one cares. Especially Lori Lightfoot and her woke white following. Perhaps the only reason Milwaukee is on the rumored list is because of the upcoming pretend Democrat Convention.
Federal intervention is probably a mistake unless they confine themselves to federal property.
Otherwise, Trump should withdraw ALL federal presence from the cesspools, relocating to cities that are peaceful. Demand that cesspool officials protect federal property. Bill cesspools for any damage and withhold federal funds pending payment. Is it legal? Who cares. They’re Democrats. Would it be inconvenient to travel to another city for services? Who cares? Would federal employees be inconvenienced or lose their jobs? Who cares? They’re probably deep staters.
When will these irresponsible Dems be accountable for their action, particularly their support of the new Brownshirts? Force won’t help. The mediaswine will whitewash them. Their voters need to feel the pain.
It's sickening the extent to which the public is being deceived about the nature of the attacks on people, police and property. Below is a link to a short video of the attack on CPD at the Columbus statue in Chicago a few days ago. I don''t think it has been linked here.
Chicago politicians and and most local media blamed the police for this.
Every sane home/business owner. Anyone that prefers law and order to anarchy.
Police Unions/Protesters say local cops and the feds are clearly colluding on the spooky crackdown that began in Portland and could soon spread to Chicago and other cities.
So civilization might spread? Good. All "normal" folks prefer civil society to anarchy.
Ted Wheeler, Portland's mayor, has been protecting antifa for years. About 4 years ago, Portland's Rose City parade was canceled because antifa threatened to disrupt it if Republicans participated. No prosecutions. Then, the 2016 election riots. No prosecutions. The ICE building blockade last year. No police protection, no prosecutions. Andy Ngo was assaulted last year, no prosecution. When someone (can't remember his name) pulled his legally-owned gun to protect himself from assault, the Portland prosecutor charged and convicted him with assault using a fire arm. He's appealing the verdict.
Ted Wheeler doesn't want to end the 50+ days of riots.
50 police were injured in Chicago in just one riot. A dozen were hospitalized, some with serious injuries. The MSM is not reporting.
In Atlanta, rioters nearly beat a mall manager to death. Before that 8-year old was murdered by the armed trespassers occupying a burned-out Wendy's restaurant, two other people had been shot in the same place by trespassers squatting there, but instead of removing the trespassers, the idiot mayor and one councilwoman let the situation fester while they "negotiated" with the rioters. They should face RICO charges and all those present at the three shooting face felony ag assault or murder charges, but they arent.
People I know all over the city tell me crime is out of control but they fear calling police lest the physical mob target them or the social media mob label them racist. There is enormous pressure by neighborhood busybodies to not call police for even violent crimes.
We've replaced real policing with social media policing ensuring that nobody dare tell the truth about what is happening in our cities, and cops I know are planning for mass exodus. Never seen anything this bad in my life. Federal troops are the least of our problems.
they are only defending federal property which is very legal and routine. They are arresting people that violate Federal Laws. There is not story here. Its all media BS
I can't wait, it's so exciting. A new wave of riot porn with race war as an added benefit. Donald's gotta do it now since he teased you people about moving on to Black cities. He knows how bad you incels can't stand a cock-teaser.
If these spooky cops just beat the shit of the white protestors would BLM care? Afterall, it would demonstrate justice for all bon BIPOC and that is what BLM really wants right?
I'm willing to bet I speak for a large majority of the people when I say that I want local law enforcement to handle the violence. I don't want Trump to send in the Feds. But you know what I don't want most of all? For the violence to continue unchecked, with nobody doing anything about it.
The choice of whether it is done locally or federally is made by the mayor. And that's who I'll blame if I don't get my first choice. Trump is who I will thank if my second choice comes through after my first choice fails.
Notice the fussing about “unmarked” cars. Why? I saw complaints about unidentifiable cops ... wearing big POLICE Signs front and back and patches on their shoulders. These photos alongside the unidentifiable claim.
Machiavelli says let the blue cities burn. Trumps oath of office says otherwise. He gets criticized for NOT being a scheming wannabe tyrant.
I find it amazing that the left starts hyperventilating when the issue of "unmarked vans" is brought up.
I consider it an annoyance but not a constitutional crisis when I get pulled over for speeding on the interstate by a state trooper in an unmarked car. I mean, duh.
It's amazing how these persecution fantasies have remained constant on the Left for so long. I mean, Dostoevsky describes the same fantasies in The Possessed!(AKA The Devils)
I thought I was suppose to arm myself to protect myself from the armed jack boots troops Obama was sending to control the country but now it turns out it is Trump who is setting up the storm troopers -- go figure.
"spooky"? Nothing spooky about it,you've got violence being perpetrated that needs to be addressed. And, I recall a time when spook was slang for a black person. Is this use some sort of dog whistle?
Money talks, bullshit walks. Someday, probably soon, these Antifastan cities will find that the businesses that haven't been burned and looted will have relocated to heartland cities where commerce is still appreciated. Goodbye Portland's tax base. Goodbye Seattle's tax base. Goodbye Chicago's tax base. At this point, the Ted Wheelers of America will demand federal financial relief. Let's make sure they don't get it. Vote Trump 2020.
Taxpayers. Small, medium, and large businesses located in the downtown area, the outskirts of downtown, and the greater Portland area. Homeowners all over the city. Anyone over 30 with a modicum of IQ. People who are productive and have spent years working toward making a life in Portland. People who have a crazy idea that they should be able to live in peace and security. People who thought their government, which they are paying for, would do their job and protect them. People who understand that this is nothing but a Marxist rebellion with the goal of undermining the civil society. People who own a lot of guns and are holding back from using them but are running out of patience.
I thought I was looking at a headline about the collusion between the Geroge Soros, Antifa Types, local prosecutors, mayors and law enforcement. I did a double take...
I see one advantage of using federal law enforcement to arrest those rioters who're attacking federal property: those arrested can be charged with federal crimes and thus aren't as likely to be released by complicit local "authorities". Joe Biden was behind some of those massive crime bills that greatly expanded the number of federal crimes. Also, I remember during the Obama administration when many government agencies were buying up huge quantities of guns and ammo. I guess the leftists never dreamed those things could be turned against them. They're morons.
It is worse than you think. I have it on confidential authority that Mike Flynn is organizing this crackdown on Putin's orders. Thankfully Judge Emmet Sullivan is attempting to jail Flynn before he can effect a Trump-Putin takeover of the United States.
I am also pretty sure that the Bugaloo Boys have been organized to foment rioting in Portland and Seattle. William Barr is their sponsor and Steve Bannon is their inspirational leader.
The Obama administration knew this was going to happen thanks to their espionage efforts. They have a plan in place to release secret transcripts that will show how Adam Schiff, Jim Comey, Peter Strzok and Andrew Weismann have been heroically fighting this attempted fascist takeover.
William Barr has an assassination team (the one that took down Jeffrey Epstein) waiting to take out these heroes when the time is right, but Lt. Col. Vindman has organized a protection squad.
a lot of the small businesses attacked and looted are owned by immigrants from South Asia or East Asia. Is this noticed by the US MSM, or are hard working Asians who are attacked not considered newsworthy unless the press can blame it on Trump saying China flu?
Political leadership in Portland, Chicago, et al are colluding with the rioters. If the feds and local cops are "colluding", they're colluding to enforce the law. I want the law enforced.
I want Trump to send in the Feds. I want the Feds to go in and kick some ass for a couple hours or however long it takes to send the girly-armed rage babies back home. I'd like them to go completely over the top numbers-wise too so that they could surround the protesters and and beat on them for an extended period of time. I'd also like it to be televised.
However, for maximum political benefit, Trump should hold off on deploying the Feds until closer to the election.
I don't think most people in the country realize how bad it has gotten in some of these locations, because the media is downplaying it in the hopes of not helping Trump's election chances.
Absolutely. This criminal collusion with rioters is not in the city's best long term interest. They are being criminally negligent allowing these destructive tantrums to occur 40 days in. At some point there will be more shooting deaths, like at CHOP in Seattle and we will then need to lay that at the feet of each negligent Mayor's feet. A Nation of laws not MOBS.
I see serious concerns that this rioting will drive a lot of Democrats , even those who hate Trump, to vote for him to end this violence. This was a risky strategy by the left, but those in control don't care about elections. I don't think it will work.
I think Trump should announce he is immediately beginning a plan to remove Federal offices from certain cities that show they will not protect Federal Buildings or workers.
Start with the Federal Courthouse moved to, say, Corvallis. Or even the state capitol. Easier security. Labor cheaper, housing cheaper,closer contact with normal people. Fewer tax dollars to Portland's insane government.
Then move the multitude of other Federal offices out of that city.
Seattle to follow...Chicago, Baltimore, Atlanta....
YoungHegelian said... I find it amazing that the left starts hyperventilating when the issue of "unmarked vans" is brought up.
7/21/20, 1:34 PM
My worries that the Second Civil War would deserve an official name and years worth of fighting have been completely unfounded. Liberals are wetting their pants hard at the notion that DHS can and will simply commandeer vehicles from rental agencies, black bag anyone they wish to, and give them a quick taxi ride around their shitholes before letting them go unmolested! The left's already pushed the needle to 11 and kept it there- and it appears that antifettes truly have not considered they could be dragged into a filthy cell, at which point a man with sunglasses would offer the choice of unlocking her computer, or pulling a train.
They really believed there would be no consequences. MAN, is this going to be fun!
roesch/voltaire said... I thought I was suppose to arm myself to protect myself from the armed jack boots troops Obama was sending to control the country but now it turns out it is Trump who is setting up the storm troopers -- go figure.
It's interesting RV doesn't even know who the Sturmabteilung are. They are not law enforcement but rather a politically organized paramilitary seeking "change" breaking the law with the support of allied politicians and law enforcement.
The federal agents mentioned oppose the storm troopers.
We won't know for sure about all of that until Inga / r/v / gadfly and Li'l Stevie Uhr give us a mindreading download along with whatever the ChiCom's are saying thru ARM.
Arson and other destruction are okay. Attacking police is okay. Anarchy and murders are okay. So long as you dont do it in front of the mayor's house. Or in the rich neighborhoods. That is the message being sent every day by the media and Democratic politicians.
roesch/voltaire: "I thought I was suppose to arm myself to protect myself from the armed jack boots troops Obama was sending to control the country but now it turns out it is Trump who is setting up the storm troopers -- go figure."
Who would have thought that merely attacking federal officers and burning federal offices would cause the federal police to react.
It's inexplicable I tell you.
But then again, you have to remember that just days ago roesch/voltaire fully agreed with Crack Emcee that whites alone invented slavery, murder, rape and lying and practiced those things for 300 years before any other people's on earth copied them.
Naturally, I found such a claim rather........far fetched.
But not R/V. He/she/xe was all over it so his/her/xer inability to understand that attacking federal officers and federal buildings will get you a little federal police attention suddenly makes alot more sense.
"Trump is having vandals and rioters arrested? What's the problem?"
If persons are rioting, they should be arrested. If they are simply protesting, or are just bystanders, they should not be arrested. Many of those being arrested are non-rioting protesters and bystanders, and they're being beaten up. Moreover, officers of the law should be clearly identified, and not emerge from unmarked vehicles and the identities of the officers masked. This is the government boot cracking down that all you self-proclaimed "freedom loving" haters of the federal government are always going on about.
This just proves you don't really care about jack-booted federal government agents beating up citizens exercising their rights; you're really just fascists who like seeing people you disagree with get brutalized.
"I want Trump to send in the Feds. I want the Feds to go in and kick some ass for a couple hours or however long it takes to send the girly-armed rage babies back home. I'd like them to go completely over the top numbers-wise too so that they could surround the protesters and and beat on them for an extended period of time. I'd also like it to be televised."
Now here is a little fascist unashamed to out himself with gusto!
Every single one of our leftists commentators is hyperventilating over the "Gestapo." Do you leftists honestly believe that the Feds should not be arresting people with axes, crowbars, molotov cocktails, who are attacking people, hurting cops, ordinary citizens, and trying to loot and destroy?
Are you seriously saying that the cops should let your side riot? You are fully endorsing violence and violent behavior from as normal? You expect Americans to put up with your side destroying towns and businesses? And you think that it's "Gestapo" behavior to stop it?
Go on then: run some ads demanding that America be turned into a Riot state.
All of this....every single bit of it....is part of the campaign for the elections 3 1/2 months from now. I do not trust any assertions about anonymous snatchings off the streets into black unmarked vans when these assertions so easily play into the tinpot third world dictator narrative conjuring up images of dispariados.
The lefties are committed to resistance by any means necessary. Just ask Howard and Mark.
>>I think Trump should announce he is immediately beginning a plan to remove Federal offices from certain cities that show they will not protect Federal Buildings or workers.
This is exactly the right approach, and a very Trump-like move. But sadly, Trump won't be president much longer. President Biden will not only NOT punish the rioters, he will reward them, and give massive federal bailouts to the cities to "renew" their downtowns that their mayors let burn.
As with most lefty programs, they will reward the misbehaving, and punish the responsible.
In this case, if your city and state did not let rioters destroy for months on end, get ready to be the ones who pay for those who did.
These leftists officials in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, et al would be wise to remember if the authorities won't do their jobs, the citizenry will eventually step in and do it for them.
Then again, if they were wise ... they wouldn't be encouraging rioting in their cities.
Personally, I'd rather Trump and the Feds stay out of it.
The federal courthouse is Fort Sumpter and the Rebs are attacking it nightly.
Doing nothing is not an option.
If that courthouse burns, Trump wins 45 states.
Don't be so sure-
The networks having been showing any of the rioting. That is, until "Trump sent in his secret police, kidnapping citizens off the streets and throwing them in unmarked vehicles'.
Everyone thought Pelosi, Shumer, etc. her just being crazy, but turns out it was beautifully orchestrated propaganda.
Now, they show the rioting.
It was peaceful until Trump sent in the thugs. The protesters are now freedom fighters.
I'm shocked at how many people actually believe this. I shouldn't be. After seeing everyone wearing a mask today at a U-pick blueberry farm it's clear America has lost it's fucking mind.
Blogger Freeman Hunt said... Nice to see the media has finally taken some kind of interest in covering the violence that has been going on for two months!
JAORE hot the nail on the head: federal employees working in federal buildings in Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, and other cities should be protected. Move the federal facilities out of these sh*t hole cities. I want the people who voted for democrats every election to feel the full bring of their folly. Let'em burn.
I think we need to flip it around: The cities are experiencing riots with local government telling the police to stand down and give space to rioters defacing, damaging, destroying, and/or looting local businesses and private property.
Is it our federal governments role NOT to intervene in such instances? Do they need to have help "requested"? What if local government has abdicated responsibilities, as they have at least partially done here?
“I don't see much difference with Trump sending the BORTAC units to protect Federal property than Col. R. E. Lee being sent with a detachment of Marines to recover the US armory at Harpers Ferry from John Brown and his followers in 1859.”
I could get behind an AC-130 Spooky crackdown on Antifa supporters. Maybe time to bring them out of the AZ boneyard and light up some f*cktard rioting antifa types.
I dont see them as my countrymen anymore, so dont see a problem. Time to get on with the hot civil war if that is what they are seeking.
"I do not trust any assertions about anonymous snatchings off the streets into black unmarked vans"
Yeah, me too. Antifa and the rest of the BLM goons are known liars and agent provocateurs of the first order. Their squealing tells us the border patrol has been effective breaking up some of these roving goon squads that come out at night once the Moms and children's parades leave at sunset. They aren't fooling anyone.
Now I know Portland is a pissant city of barely what, 400,000 people stuck between SF and Seattle, where your loser younger brother goes to set up a tattoo parlor, but it's pretty amazing that nearly 2 months of nightly rioting has gotten absolutely zero news coverage.
I check in on the local media frequently in SF, because it's interesting to monitor the decline of literacy, and there has been zero. zero zero.
If 3 alleged white supremacists show up in Berkeley and get beaten down it's national news, but riots for 2 months straight? This is how you know it's a winning issue. If it's not publicized, it reflects poorly on Democrats. Trump needs to publicize it.
Robert Cook said... Moreover, officers of the law should be clearly identified, and not emerge from unmarked vehicles and the identities of the officers masked
Every article whining about unidentified federal agents which has included a picture shows them in uniform. The insane left wingers are citing mythology rather than facts.
Now here is a little fascist unashamed to out himself with gusto!
Cookie is pretending not to understand the fascists are the paramilitary force starting riots and attacking people who disagree with them. That's what allies do.
The networks having been showing any of the rioting. That is, until "Trump sent in his secret police, kidnapping citizens off the streets and throwing them in unmarked vehicles'.
I'm afraid you have a fallacy there. The people in those deep blue cities know very well what is going on. The whole northwest may flip. Probably not Chicago as it is run by black gangs, but Seattle and Portland still have sane residents.
Trump should just say: "Fine. The feds are leaving the cities. All the feds. All contracts with real estate? Canceled. All office buildings? Closed. All federal employees will relocate to areas where the federal government can ensure their safety. Trump will recommend legislation that states that money that would have gone to cities that failed to protect federal interests will be re-directed to obtaining new property outside of cities to house federal locations. Employees will be forced to follow normal relocation rules."
Robert Cook said... "Trump is having vandals and rioters arrested? What's the problem?"
If persons are rioting, they should be arrested. If they are simply protesting, or are just bystanders, they should not be arrested.
>>>Most of those WHITE people attending are not there over BLM, they are there to commit looting and mayhem. Any smart person would not be willing to find himself/herself in their midst.
Many of those being arrested are non-rioting protesters and bystanders, and they're being beaten up.
>>>>Sez you. where's your evidence?
Moreover, officers of the law should be clearly identified, and not emerge from unmarked vehicles and the identities of the officers masked. This is the government boot cracking down that all you self-proclaimed "freedom loving" haters of the federal government are always going on about.
>>>>Riiiight. The "protestors" can be masked, but not the police! NEVER MIND that the federal officers have numbers identifying themselves on their uniforms---they are NOT anonymous.
>>>Exactly what color is the bullshit on your world, Cook?
The Mayor had around 300 of police protecting her house, from “peaceful protesters”, stripping other areas one time.
How the protesters are egging on police is unbelievable.
Get their info, which they legally need to provide, use internet to research address and family’s information, dox in real time over a speaker. Threaten the officers family.
Much as I would love to see the Antifans getting their flimsy skulls bashed in, it is a mistake to deploy Bortac in this role. The Portland police department has been trained like a big dog that knows not to bite the baby. It can pull his ears, twist his tail, grab him by the nuts. He just looks mortified and whimpers a little. These Bortac guys think they are large and in charge, and they are going to fuck things up and make Trump look bad. Let fucking Portlandia stew. It is all on Ted Wheeler. Hell, send him a bill for the damage done to federal property. Tell him it's coming out of his light rail funds, he'll have a heart attack.
Liberals are playing with a double-edge scalpel to support diversity (e.g. some, select Black Lives Matter), leftist sects including [Anti] fascists, and the left-right nexus is leftist. Lose your religion.
Jupiter said... Much as I would love to see the Antifans getting their flimsy skulls bashed in, it is a mistake to deploy Bortac in this role. The Portland police department has been trained like a big dog that knows not to bite the baby.
I disagree. I could be mistaken but I think this will flip the northwest. CA has vote fraud pretty well war gamed but not OR and WA.
“If persons are rioting, they should be arrested. If they are simply protesting, or are just bystanders, they should not be arrested. Many of those being arrested are non-rioting protesters and bystanders, and they're being beaten up. Moreover, officers of the law should be clearly identified, and not emerge from unmarked vehicles and the identities of the officers masked. This is the government boot cracking down that all you self-proclaimed "freedom loving" haters of the federal government are always going on about.”
It’s not the job of the federal agents to separate out the “peaceful” protesters from the violent rioters, when they are intentionally intermixed. If the “peaceful” protesters don’t want to be hurt, gassed, etc, they need to separate themselves from the rioters when they get violent. When they don’t, it is all on them. Often, it appears that the true “peaceful” protesters are separated from the violent rioters by time - before dark, things tend to be fairly peaceful, but after dark, the violent rioters come out.
And we aren’t talking just screaming at the federal agents, but things have apparently escalated to the point that the violent rioters are actively trying to injure as many federal agents as they can, by throwing hard and sharp objects, and even set spikes for them this weekend, upon which one federal agent was impaled.
As for masking their identity, it is SOP, and has been for quite some time. This weekend, in Chicago, the violent rioters got close enough, to Chicago PD officers to read badges, then looked them up on the Internet, in real time, followed by broadcasting their family and residence .information via bull horns to the crowd, who then started taunting the officers with threats against their family members. About raping their wives and daughters, before killing them. That is why their names are not visible on the uniforms of the federal agents. They do have information visible about their department and units, and typically an identification number, in case a bona fide complaint is warranted.
There is, of course, no Constitutional or legal reasons that they have to move around in marked vehicles, or even government owned vehicles. They don’t, for good reasons. For one, in Portlandia, identified federal LEO vehicles are almost instantly mobbed when recognized by the violent rioters. But even beyond that, even when the government owns the vehicles, they aren’t marked. It’s primarily a safety issue.
Face it. Most of your complaints are the result of intentional misinformation and propaganda on the part of the rioters and their enablers. For the most part, those injured by the federal agents have intentionally placed themselves in harm’s way. They are present in the midst of violent attacks on the federal agents, or have participated in illegal behavior, such as entering the area around a federal building that has been identified as an exclusion zone. Or are just plain lying. The feds are picking up people to arrest, or as material witnesses, and unless in the midst of an attack by the rioters, are not picked randomly, but rather are targeted.
MadTownGuy said... Christopher David resists arrest and gets a broken hand. He was just going for the technical foul.
7/21/20, 2:58 PM
Drugs, right? Probably washed out of Annapolis on a drug test and flushed all the way to Portland. Actually I thought that might have been Howie, Marines are Navy right?
What is the protest about? A guy dies in Minnesota while under restraint by the police in a Democrat governed City, with a Democrat Governor, with a Democrat City Council, with a black Muslim Attorney General, and with a black Police Chief.
Why is there a BLM protest in my little North Idaho town made up of young, naive, emotionally manipulated, white, Community College girls? (One of them looked like Ann. Just sayin'.)
This Navy veteran obstructed police when they were in the process of restoring public safety and order. Taking control of the street back from a violent mob. He does not have the right to obstruct them in any way, much less by physically blocking them and demanding they stop and hear his grievances. My taxes pay for the federal facilities these organized mobs are trying to destroy. They also pay for the federal agents now being deployed to stop them. The previous generation's gains at reducing violent crime are being cast away in a matter of months. People, most of them black, are getting murdered all over. At twice the rate of a year ago in many places.
All so a bunch of jerks can preen now and take political power next year.
This was a risky strategy by the left, but those in control don't care about elections.
It may be their best strategy. Trump is on the right track, but with so many obstacles forcing detours, it is uncertain that he will be able reform the system in time, and the debts that are due are just over the horizon.
"If the “peaceful” protesters don’t want to be hurt, gassed, etc, they need to separate themselves from the rioters when they get violent."
Gandhi fasted multiple times to stop demonstrations that had turned violent. "Peaceful demonstrators" who continue providing cover for rioters are outside of any tradition of civil disobedience.
Of course, Gandhi statue's have been targeted along with everything else.
"Spooky," as in "Spook?" Interesting choice of words. Growing up in the south and DC, Spook was a derogatory ethnic slur, like "Spade" applied to black persons.
The media is trying to set a pecedent that the Feds can waltz into any state and do what they want. They can’t. And if you look through the blur of misdirection, they aren’t. But once the Feds are in, they are not going to play nice; they are not going to mimic the ineffectual local constabulary.
Really, no one wants the feds coming in - it is a bad precedent - but when the local do-nothing government plays politics with your life, then that’s who you have to turn to.
I've lost track of what is happening in Portland. I know they set the Federal Courthouse on fire last night, and pushed a bunch of "moms" up to the front of the lines?
I would love to know what this is about and how people in Portland feel about this.
“"Spooky," as in "Spook?" Interesting choice of words. Growing up in the south and DC, Spook was a derogatory ethnic slur, like "Spade" applied to black persons.”
It’s half century old slang for AC-130 Spectre gunships. First used apparently in 1966, in Vietnam, they have been in heavy use in recent years in places like Afghanistan and Iraq for close air support. Typical Yankee ingenuity. They were starting to use Gatling guns during the Vietnam War capable of firing at 2+k rounds per minute. Except aircraft typically couldn’t carry even a minutes worth of ammunition. Someone got the bright idea of putting a couple of Gatling guns in a (C-130) cargo plane, and firing them out the side. Being a cargo plane, it could carry enough ammunition to shoot for extended periods of time. They shoot out of one side, typically banking in a “pylon” turn that rotates around a single point on the ground. It would be pitch black, and then Spooky would open up, with a cone of tracer fire lighting up the sky. Then it would be dark again. That’s the “Sooky”. Notably, they only operate at night, because of their vulnerability to ground fire, if they can be seen.
Michael K said; I disagree. I could be mistaken but I think this will flip the northwest. CA has vote fraud pretty well war gamed but not OR and WA.
Washington locked up vote fraud a little over 16 years ago. They were one of the first to find ballots in car trunks, closets, storage lockers etc. A funny thing was they always found just enough to win.
I'm leaning toward the notion that if these leftists want to trash and destroy their own cities, let them. Just cut off all federal funding for rebuilding. Let the pigs wallow in their sty.
"I'm willing to bet I speak for a large majority of the people when I say that I want local law enforcement to handle the violence. I don't want Trump to send in the Feds. But you know what I don't want most of all? For the violence to continue unchecked, with nobody doing anything about it.
The choice of whether it is done locally or federally is made by the mayor. And that's who I'll blame if I don't get my first choice. Trump is who I will thank if my second choice comes through after my first choice fails."
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119 comments:
Colluding?
I guess that means Russians.
Let's get to the hot part of the current civil war.
This part is boring.
Let's vote for excitement.
PuffHo says... Well, I don't believe it.
Spooky crackdown? The place has been rioting for five weeks straight! And take a look at the videos...I see very few Black or Brown faces. This is a Marxist insurrection, and in the olden days would have been met with cannon and rifle fire.
Trump is having vandals and rioters arrested? What's the problem?
Leaders of cities like Portland and Chicago publicly say they don’t want federal law enforcement policing protesters.
Either did George Wallace.
Raises hand. Me.
If this rioting was going on in my town and the mayor and governor ordered cops to do nothing, I'd want Trump to send in the Feds.
Job No. 1 of the gov't is law and order so that our natural rights are secured.
And those rights are not secure if rioters are allowed to run freely in a city.
Go to the Twitter feeds of Senator Rand Paul and Rep. Justin Amash to see them railing against this federal “police” overreach.
You know Sen. Paul and Rep. Amash from their days as Marxist Antifa leaders. Or something like that.
Globalistendlesswardeepstateauthoritarian. Or something like that. Check with Laura Ingraham. She’ll prolly know.
This is rather like controlling the border. There is strong Democratic support for any action except one which will actually do so. Likewise, anything which will actually control the Antifa/BLM thugs is off the table.
Most of the working class African Americans in Milwaukee want Trump to send in the feds. They are tired of the white rioters and want them to face the consequences.
Ooooh, spooky crackdown of arson and vandalism on federal property.
Is using federal law enforcement powers to quell riots within the authority of the POTUS, or is it SPOOKY!?
"Spooky". Yeah, right.
"Spooky crackdown?" What intrigue! Trump has made it clear this s**t needs to stop. Or am I missing something?
This is what *they* wanted him to do from the gitgo. So they could scream fascist! Brownshirts! Now, they finally have their chance. But if he doesn't do anything he looks pretty weak, for such a badass persona.
Starting to have a new appreciation of Weimar. Maybe there were some details that got lost in the writing of history.
It's interesting they say this could "spread" to Chicago, because Twitter was full of people saying protesters were being kidnapped by unnamed police forces back in June when the rioting was new in Chicago.
The Federal law enforcement officers are not "anonymous" nor are they "spooky". They are US Customs and Border Protection Tactical Teams (BORTAC), headquartered in El Paso. Their website is here. They are there to protect US government buildings and property from the rioters. In downtown Portland they have attacked the Mark Hatfield US Court House, the Customs House, and a Federal office building. The stupid Portland mayor, Ted Wheeler, has not only failed to stop any of this but has actually aided and abetted it and tried to interfere with the Feds legitimate power to protect US government facilities. I wish they would arrest him, too.
Each unit member has a US CBP patch on his left shoulder and a rectangular patch underneath with their Badge/ID number. I have plenty of lefty friends on Facebook calling them "secret police" and an example of Trump's "creeping fascism." They are neither.
I don't see much difference with Trump sending the BORTAC units to protect Federal property than Col. R. E. Lee being sent with a detachment of Marines to recover the US armory at Harpers Ferry from John Brown and his followers in 1859. These BLM/Antifa idiots maybe should study a little history.
At least we know what the next "collusion" charge will be if Trump gets reelected.
Local cops and the feds are clearly colluding v. clearly cooperating. How about local governments and activist groups are clearly colluding v. cooperating? What fun! There's a lot of potential here.
Antifa doing vandalism, arson, beatings. All while hidden behind masks. Arrested? Released same day. Amusing to see them whining about mild push back. Throughout all the protests and riots, has a single person been shot and killed by a cop?
Protests in Portland are not peaceful. I really don’t care. They get what they voted for, and seem to like it. But, it is destructive, and organized by ANTIFA. Propaganda is now being pumped out and the media is latching on to ANTIFA's narrative. Some of the videos show what seems to be and extraction of undercover federal agents infiltrating the mob. If you follow Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) on twitter you can see the daily violence and destruction. Some of it is so stupid it’s funny.
Trump has to walk a fine line here. The leadership of these Blue cities deserve the chaos. But the kids who are being shot in Chicago do not. It is tragic, and no one cares. Especially Lori Lightfoot and her woke white following. Perhaps the only reason Milwaukee is on the rumored list is because of the upcoming pretend Democrat Convention.
Collusion!!
The way I read that headline the Police Union and the Protesters were making the claim together, which after Denver wouldn't be all that surprising.
Federal intervention is probably a mistake unless they confine themselves to federal property.
Otherwise, Trump should withdraw ALL federal presence from the cesspools, relocating to cities that are peaceful. Demand that cesspool officials protect federal property. Bill cesspools for any damage and withhold federal funds pending payment. Is it legal? Who cares. They’re Democrats. Would it be inconvenient to travel to another city for services? Who cares? Would federal employees be inconvenienced or lose their jobs? Who cares? They’re probably deep staters.
When will these irresponsible Dems be accountable for their action, particularly their support of the new Brownshirts? Force won’t help. The mediaswine will whitewash them. Their voters need to feel the pain.
Me. I want them. I want these ringleaders shut down and given the maximum. Treat them just like any other terrorist organization.
"Who actually wants . . ."
It's a close call for us deplorables: why spoil the Freude over blue Schade? Let blue stew. Then again --.
Nice to see the media has finally taken some kind of interest in covering the violence that has been going on for two months!
It's sickening the extent to which the public is being deceived about the nature of the attacks on people, police and property. Below is a link to a short video of the attack on CPD at the Columbus statue in Chicago a few days ago. I don''t think it has been linked here.
Chicago politicians and and most local media blamed the police for this.
Peaceful protest.
Who Actually Wants Trump to Send in the Feds?
Every sane home/business owner. Anyone that prefers law and order to anarchy.
Police Unions/Protesters say local cops and the feds are clearly colluding on the spooky crackdown that began in Portland and could soon spread to Chicago and other cities.
So civilization might spread? Good. All "normal" folks prefer civil society to anarchy.
Ted Wheeler, Portland's mayor, has been protecting antifa for years. About 4 years ago, Portland's Rose City parade was canceled because antifa threatened to disrupt it if Republicans participated. No prosecutions. Then, the 2016 election riots. No prosecutions. The ICE building blockade last year. No police protection, no prosecutions. Andy Ngo was assaulted last year, no prosecution. When someone (can't remember his name) pulled his legally-owned gun to protect himself from assault, the Portland prosecutor charged and convicted him with assault using a fire arm. He's appealing the verdict.
Ted Wheeler doesn't want to end the 50+ days of riots.
50 police were injured in Chicago in just one riot. A dozen were hospitalized, some with serious injuries. The MSM is not reporting.
In Atlanta, rioters nearly beat a mall manager to death. Before that 8-year old was murdered by the armed trespassers occupying a burned-out Wendy's restaurant, two other people had been shot in the same place by trespassers squatting there, but instead of removing the trespassers, the idiot mayor and one councilwoman let the situation fester while they "negotiated" with the rioters. They should face RICO charges and all those present at the three shooting face felony ag assault or murder charges, but they arent.
People I know all over the city tell me crime is out of control but they fear calling police lest the physical mob target them or the social media mob label them racist. There is enormous pressure by neighborhood busybodies to not call police for even violent crimes.
We've replaced real policing with social media policing ensuring that nobody dare tell the truth about what is happening in our cities, and cops I know are planning for mass exodus. Never seen anything this bad in my life. Federal troops are the least of our problems.
I guess enforcing the law is "spooky" now. We still haven't reached peak absurdity yet though.
Democracy dies in spookiness.
Cracking down on the Spooks?
Now that’s a plan American can get behind!
Brownshirt apologists here.
Turnabout is fair play. Enjoy President Biden.
they are only defending federal property which is very legal and routine. They are arresting people that violate Federal Laws. There is not story here. Its all media BS
I can't wait, it's so exciting. A new wave of riot porn with race war as an added benefit. Donald's gotta do it now since he teased you people about moving on to Black cities. He knows how bad you incels can't stand a cock-teaser.
If these spooky cops just beat the shit of the white protestors would BLM care? Afterall, it would demonstrate justice for all bon BIPOC and that is what BLM really wants right?
Vote for the Democrats this Nov., if you like what's happening in these Democrat run cities.
People who don’t want their businesses destroyed, their homes burnt or themselves beaten either to death or near death. You know, those people.
I'm willing to bet I speak for a large majority of the people when I say that I want local law enforcement to handle the violence. I don't want Trump to send in the Feds. But you know what I don't want most of all? For the violence to continue unchecked, with nobody doing anything about it.
The choice of whether it is done locally or federally is made by the mayor. And that's who I'll blame if I don't get my first choice. Trump is who I will thank if my second choice comes through after my first choice fails.
Notice the fussing about “unmarked” cars. Why?
I saw complaints about unidentifiable cops ... wearing big POLICE Signs front and back and patches on their shoulders. These photos alongside the unidentifiable claim.
Machiavelli says let the blue cities burn. Trumps oath of office says otherwise. He gets criticized for NOT being a scheming wannabe tyrant.
The Lincoln Project makes such fun anti-trump ads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsaO3v4SvwA
I find it amazing that the left starts hyperventilating when the issue of "unmarked vans" is brought up.
I consider it an annoyance but not a constitutional crisis when I get pulled over for speeding on the interstate by a state trooper in an unmarked car. I mean, duh.
It's amazing how these persecution fantasies have remained constant on the Left for so long. I mean, Dostoevsky describes the same fantasies in The Possessed!(AKA The Devils)
I thought I was suppose to arm myself to protect myself from the armed jack boots troops Obama was sending to control the country but now it turns out it is Trump who is setting up the storm troopers -- go figure.
"spooky"? Nothing spooky about it,you've got violence being perpetrated that needs to be addressed. And, I recall a time when spook was slang for a black person. Is this use some sort of dog whistle?
Money talks, bullshit walks. Someday, probably soon, these Antifastan cities will find that the businesses that haven't been burned and looted will have relocated to heartland cities where commerce is still appreciated. Goodbye Portland's tax base. Goodbye Seattle's tax base. Goodbye Chicago's tax base. At this point, the Ted Wheelers of America will demand federal financial relief. Let's make sure they don't get it. Vote Trump 2020.
"Who Actually Wants Trump to Send in the Feds?"
Taxpayers.
Small, medium, and large businesses located in the downtown area, the outskirts of downtown, and the greater Portland area.
Homeowners all over the city.
Anyone over 30 with a modicum of IQ.
People who are productive and have spent years working toward making a life in Portland.
People who have a crazy idea that they should be able to live in peace and security.
People who thought their government, which they are paying for, would do their job and protect them.
People who understand that this is nothing but a Marxist rebellion with the goal of undermining the civil society.
People who own a lot of guns and are holding back from using them but are running out of patience.
We have come to the point that our "progressive" leaders are actively supporting crime, insurrection, and rioting.
Fantastic. I thought 2020 was going to be boring.
The federal courthouse is Fort Sumpter and the Rebs are attacking it nightly.
Doing nothing is not an option.
If that courthouse burns, Trump wins 45 states.
It is the Mark O. Hatfield courthouse in Portland. Never lost an election in 45 years. And a Republican.
I thought I was looking at a headline about the collusion between the Geroge Soros, Antifa Types, local prosecutors, mayors and law enforcement. I did a double take...
Knew exposing it couldn't be happening...
SPOOKY is Kamala Harris's new Face Mask. APPROPRIATE is the POTUS protecting Federal property from vandals.
I see one advantage of using federal law enforcement to arrest those rioters who're attacking federal property: those arrested can be charged with federal crimes and thus aren't as likely to be released by complicit local "authorities". Joe Biden was behind some of those massive crime bills that greatly expanded the number of federal crimes. Also, I remember during the Obama administration when many government agencies were buying up huge quantities of guns and ammo. I guess the leftists never dreamed those things could be turned against them. They're morons.
Drago said...Collusion!!
It is worse than you think. I have it on confidential authority that Mike Flynn is organizing this crackdown on Putin's orders. Thankfully Judge Emmet Sullivan is attempting to jail Flynn before he can effect a Trump-Putin takeover of the United States.
I am also pretty sure that the Bugaloo Boys have been organized to foment rioting in Portland and Seattle. William Barr is their sponsor and Steve Bannon is their inspirational leader.
The Obama administration knew this was going to happen thanks to their espionage efforts. They have a plan in place to release secret transcripts that will show how Adam Schiff, Jim Comey, Peter Strzok and Andrew Weismann have been heroically fighting this attempted fascist takeover.
William Barr has an assassination team (the one that took down Jeffrey Epstein) waiting to take out these heroes when the time is right, but Lt. Col. Vindman has organized a protection squad.
It is a scary time.
They complain that local cops and the feds are colluding on Spooky crackdown but it should read to enforce the law.
Imagine that. Cops and feds want to enforce the law.
a lot of the small businesses attacked and looted are owned by immigrants from South Asia or East Asia. Is this noticed by the US MSM, or are hard working Asians who are attacked not considered newsworthy unless the press can blame it on Trump saying China flu?
https://www.asian-dawn.com/2020/06/03/79-korean-businesses-several-viet-businesses-looted-and-destroyed/
Political leadership in Portland, Chicago, et al are colluding with the rioters. If the feds and local cops are "colluding", they're colluding to enforce the law. I want the law enforced.
Hello, 1968?
I want Trump to send in the Feds. I want the Feds to go in and kick some ass for a couple hours or however long it takes to send the girly-armed rage babies back home. I'd like them to go completely over the top numbers-wise too so that they could surround the protesters and and beat on them for an extended period of time. I'd also like it to be televised.
However, for maximum political benefit, Trump should hold off on deploying the Feds until closer to the election.
I don't think most people in the country realize how bad it has gotten in some of these locations, because the media is downplaying it in the hopes of not helping Trump's election chances.
Absolutely. This criminal collusion with rioters is not in the city's best long term interest. They are being criminally negligent allowing these destructive tantrums to occur 40 days in. At some point there will be more shooting deaths, like at CHOP in Seattle and we will then need to lay that at the feet of each negligent Mayor's feet. A Nation of laws not MOBS.
I see serious concerns that this rioting will drive a lot of Democrats , even those who hate Trump, to vote for him to end this violence. This was a risky strategy by the left, but those in control don't care about elections. I don't think it will work.
I think Trump should announce he is immediately beginning a plan to remove Federal offices from certain cities that show they will not protect Federal Buildings or workers.
Start with the Federal Courthouse moved to, say, Corvallis. Or even the state capitol. Easier security. Labor cheaper, housing cheaper,closer contact with normal people. Fewer tax dollars to Portland's insane government.
Then move the multitude of other Federal offices out of that city.
Seattle to follow...Chicago, Baltimore, Atlanta....
Don't want Fed security,don't get Fed offices.
YoungHegelian said...
I find it amazing that the left starts hyperventilating when the issue of "unmarked vans" is brought up.
7/21/20, 1:34 PM
My worries that the Second Civil War would deserve an official name and years worth of fighting have been completely unfounded. Liberals are wetting their pants hard at the notion that DHS can and will simply commandeer vehicles from rental agencies, black bag anyone they wish to, and give them a quick taxi ride around their shitholes before letting them go unmolested! The left's already pushed the needle to 11 and kept it there- and it appears that antifettes truly have not considered they could be dragged into a filthy cell, at which point a man with sunglasses would offer the choice of unlocking her computer, or pulling a train.
They really believed there would be no consequences. MAN, is this going to be fun!
Leaders of cities like Portland and Chicago publicly say....
Publicly. What are they saying privately?
Let the left showcase who they are.
they are Antifa bronwshirts.
Racist Sunsong is happy with Billionaires for Biden.
roesch/voltaire said...
I thought I was suppose to arm myself to protect myself from the armed jack boots troops Obama was sending to control the country but now it turns out it is Trump who is setting up the storm troopers -- go figure.
It's interesting RV doesn't even know who the Sturmabteilung are. They are not law enforcement but rather a politically organized paramilitary seeking "change" breaking the law with the support of allied politicians and law enforcement.
The federal agents mentioned oppose the storm troopers.
Christopher David resists arrest and gets a broken hand. He was just going for the technical foul.
Franciso D @ 2:03pm
We won't know for sure about all of that until Inga / r/v / gadfly and Li'l Stevie Uhr give us a mindreading download along with whatever the ChiCom's are saying thru ARM.
Arson and other destruction are okay. Attacking police is okay. Anarchy and murders are okay. So long as you dont do it in front of the mayor's house. Or in the rich neighborhoods. That is the message being sent every day by the media and Democratic politicians.
That the kind of country you want to live in ?
roesch/voltaire: "I thought I was suppose to arm myself to protect myself from the armed jack boots troops Obama was sending to control the country but now it turns out it is Trump who is setting up the storm troopers -- go figure."
Who would have thought that merely attacking federal officers and burning federal offices would cause the federal police to react.
It's inexplicable I tell you.
But then again, you have to remember that just days ago roesch/voltaire fully agreed with Crack Emcee that whites alone invented slavery, murder, rape and lying and practiced those things for 300 years before any other people's on earth copied them.
Naturally, I found such a claim rather........far fetched.
But not R/V. He/she/xe was all over it so his/her/xer inability to understand that attacking federal officers and federal buildings will get you a little federal police attention suddenly makes alot more sense.
Dumb Left Mark (who has yet to demonstrate the ability to google things): "brownshirt apologists here. Turnabout is fair play."
Classic marxist street violence projection-eering going on with Dumb Lefty Mark.
"Trump is having vandals and rioters arrested? What's the problem?"
If persons are rioting, they should be arrested. If they are simply protesting, or are just bystanders, they should not be arrested. Many of those being arrested are non-rioting protesters and bystanders, and they're being beaten up. Moreover, officers of the law should be clearly identified, and not emerge from unmarked vehicles and the identities of the officers masked. This is the government boot cracking down that all you self-proclaimed "freedom loving" haters of the federal government are always going on about.
This just proves you don't really care about jack-booted federal government agents beating up citizens exercising their rights; you're really just fascists who like seeing people you disagree with get brutalized.
"I want Trump to send in the Feds. I want the Feds to go in and kick some ass for a couple hours or however long it takes to send the girly-armed rage babies back home. I'd like them to go completely over the top numbers-wise too so that they could surround the protesters and and beat on them for an extended period of time. I'd also like it to be televised."
Now here is a little fascist unashamed to out himself with gusto!
I say get the ring leaders of Antifa and put them in GITMO.... for ever. And that will be the end of that. Use the terrorism statutes to arrest them.
Every single one of our leftists commentators is hyperventilating over the "Gestapo." Do you leftists honestly believe that the Feds should not be arresting people with axes, crowbars, molotov cocktails, who are attacking people, hurting cops, ordinary citizens, and trying to loot and destroy?
Are you seriously saying that the cops should let your side riot? You are fully endorsing violence and violent behavior from as normal? You expect Americans to put up with your side destroying towns and businesses? And you think that it's "Gestapo" behavior to stop it?
Go on then: run some ads demanding that America be turned into a Riot state.
All of this....every single bit of it....is part of the campaign for the elections 3 1/2 months from now. I do not trust any assertions about anonymous snatchings off the streets into black unmarked vans when these assertions so easily play into the tinpot third world dictator narrative conjuring up images of dispariados.
The lefties are committed to resistance by any means necessary. Just ask Howard and Mark.
-Krumhorn
Is r/v a made up character created for comic relief?
>>I think Trump should announce he is immediately beginning a plan to remove Federal offices from certain cities that show they will not protect Federal Buildings or workers.
This is exactly the right approach, and a very Trump-like move. But sadly, Trump won't be president much longer.
President Biden will not only NOT punish the rioters, he will reward them, and give massive federal bailouts to the cities to "renew" their downtowns that their mayors let burn.
As with most lefty programs, they will reward the misbehaving, and punish the responsible.
In this case, if your city and state did not let rioters destroy for months on end, get ready to be the ones who pay for those who did.
These leftists officials in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, et al would be wise to remember if the authorities won't do their jobs, the citizenry will eventually step in and do it for them.
Then again, if they were wise ... they wouldn't be encouraging rioting in their cities.
Personally, I'd rather Trump and the Feds stay out of it.
Dave Begley said...
The federal courthouse is Fort Sumpter and the Rebs are attacking it nightly.
Doing nothing is not an option.
If that courthouse burns, Trump wins 45 states.
Don't be so sure-
The networks having been showing any of the rioting. That is, until "Trump sent in his secret police, kidnapping citizens off the streets and throwing them in unmarked vehicles'.
Everyone thought Pelosi, Shumer, etc. her just being crazy, but turns out it was beautifully orchestrated propaganda.
Now, they show the rioting.
It was peaceful until Trump sent in the thugs. The protesters are now freedom fighters.
I'm shocked at how many people actually believe this. I shouldn't be. After seeing everyone wearing a mask today at a U-pick blueberry farm it's clear America has lost it's fucking mind.
“Who Actually Wants Trump to Send in the Feds?”
Um ... like 60% of the country?
Blogger Freeman Hunt said...
Nice to see the media has finally taken some kind of interest in covering the violence that has been going on for two months!
Heh™.
So when Tommy Lee Jones was a federal marshal running around Philly in plain clothes hunting down Harrison Ford, that was spooky gestapo tactics?
JAORE hot the nail on the head: federal employees working in federal buildings in Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, and other cities should be protected. Move the federal facilities out of these sh*t hole cities. I want the people who voted for democrats every election to feel the full bring of their folly. Let'em burn.
I think we need to flip it around: The cities are experiencing riots with local government telling the police to stand down and give space to rioters defacing, damaging, destroying, and/or looting local businesses and private property.
Is it our federal governments role NOT to intervene in such instances? Do they need to have help "requested"? What if local government has abdicated responsibilities, as they have at least partially done here?
Local leaders probably have just not yet taken the time to think through removing Trump and the Feds from the lineup:
Local leaders <------> Trump & Feds <------> Vigilantism
“I don't see much difference with Trump sending the BORTAC units to protect Federal property than Col. R. E. Lee being sent with a detachment of Marines to recover the US armory at Harpers Ferry from John Brown and his followers in 1859.”
I KNEW Trump was a Confederate! I KNEW it!
/snark off
I could get behind an AC-130 Spooky crackdown on Antifa supporters. Maybe time to bring them out of the AZ boneyard and light up some f*cktard rioting antifa types.
I dont see them as my countrymen anymore, so dont see a problem. Time to get on with the hot civil war if that is what they are seeking.
Trade one of these cities for Hong Kong. A win win for everyone.
"I do not trust any assertions about anonymous snatchings off the streets into black unmarked vans"
Yeah, me too. Antifa and the rest of the BLM goons are known liars and agent provocateurs of the first order. Their squealing tells us the border patrol has been effective breaking up some of these roving goon squads that come out at night once the Moms and children's parades leave at sunset. They aren't fooling anyone.
"Nice to see the media has finally taken some kind of interest in covering the violence that has been going on for two months!"
Burning, looting and bashing gets boring after awhile. I think a Lady Godiva on foot finally gave them the fresh news angle the story needed.
Now I know Portland is a pissant city of barely what, 400,000 people stuck between SF and Seattle, where your loser younger brother goes to set up a tattoo parlor, but it's pretty amazing that nearly 2 months of nightly rioting has gotten absolutely zero news coverage.
I check in on the local media frequently in SF, because it's interesting to monitor the decline of literacy, and there has been zero. zero zero.
If 3 alleged white supremacists show up in Berkeley and get beaten down it's national news, but riots for 2 months straight? This is how you know it's a winning issue. If it's not publicized, it reflects poorly on Democrats. Trump needs to publicize it.
Robert Cook said...
Moreover, officers of the law should be clearly identified, and not emerge from unmarked vehicles and the identities of the officers masked
Every article whining about unidentified federal agents which has included a picture shows them in uniform. The insane left wingers are citing mythology rather than facts.
Now here is a little fascist unashamed to out himself with gusto!
Cookie is pretending not to understand the fascists are the paramilitary force starting riots and attacking people who disagree with them. That's what allies do.
Don't be so sure-
The networks having been showing any of the rioting. That is, until "Trump sent in his secret police, kidnapping citizens off the streets and throwing them in unmarked vehicles'.
I'm afraid you have a fallacy there. The people in those deep blue cities know very well what is going on. The whole northwest may flip. Probably not Chicago as it is run by black gangs, but Seattle and Portland still have sane residents.
Trump should just say: "Fine. The feds are leaving the cities. All the feds. All contracts with real estate? Canceled. All office buildings? Closed. All federal employees will relocate to areas where the federal government can ensure their safety. Trump will recommend legislation that states that money that would have gone to cities that failed to protect federal interests will be re-directed to obtaining new property outside of cities to house federal locations. Employees will be forced to follow normal relocation rules."
Many of those being arrested are non-rioting protesters and bystanders, and they're being beaten up.
Why lie about it when we have all seen the videos?
Jack Klompus: "Is r/v a made up character created for comic relief?"
If so, it was Crack who made him/her/xer up as the mouse in the pocket.
Daily Beast = Far Left Loons.
Robert Cook said...
"Trump is having vandals and rioters arrested? What's the problem?"
If persons are rioting, they should be arrested. If they are simply protesting, or are just bystanders, they should not be arrested.
>>>Most of those WHITE people attending are not there over BLM, they are there to commit looting and mayhem. Any smart person would not be willing to find himself/herself in their midst.
Many of those being arrested are non-rioting protesters and bystanders, and they're being beaten up.
>>>>Sez you. where's your evidence?
Moreover, officers of the law should be clearly identified, and not emerge from unmarked vehicles and the identities of the officers masked. This is the government boot cracking down that all you self-proclaimed "freedom loving" haters of the federal government are always going on about.
>>>>Riiiight. The "protestors" can be masked, but not the police! NEVER MIND that the federal officers have numbers identifying themselves on their uniforms---they are NOT anonymous.
>>>Exactly what color is the bullshit on your world, Cook?
When did Oregon turn into a Madhouse? Most the Oregonian leadership is from out-of-state and crazy Left. The average Oregonian elected them. Sad.
Excellent blog by a Chicago Officer.
The Mayor had around 300 of police protecting her house, from “peaceful protesters”, stripping other areas one time.
How the protesters are egging on police is unbelievable.
Get their info, which they legally need to provide, use internet to research address and family’s information, dox in real time over a speaker. Threaten the officers family.
https://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/?m=1
So much not being covered by the press.
Much as I would love to see the Antifans getting their flimsy skulls bashed in, it is a mistake to deploy Bortac in this role. The Portland police department has been trained like a big dog that knows not to bite the baby. It can pull his ears, twist his tail, grab him by the nuts. He just looks mortified and whimpers a little. These Bortac guys think they are large and in charge, and they are going to fuck things up and make Trump look bad. Let fucking Portlandia stew. It is all on Ted Wheeler. Hell, send him a bill for the damage done to federal property. Tell him it's coming out of his light rail funds, he'll have a heart attack.
Liberals are playing with a double-edge scalpel to support diversity (e.g. some, select Black Lives Matter), leftist sects including [Anti] fascists, and the left-right nexus is leftist. Lose your religion.
Jupiter said...
Much as I would love to see the Antifans getting their flimsy skulls bashed in, it is a mistake to deploy Bortac in this role. The Portland police department has been trained like a big dog that knows not to bite the baby.
I disagree. I could be mistaken but I think this will flip the northwest. CA has vote fraud pretty well war gamed but not OR and WA.
“If persons are rioting, they should be arrested. If they are simply protesting, or are just bystanders, they should not be arrested. Many of those being arrested are non-rioting protesters and bystanders, and they're being beaten up. Moreover, officers of the law should be clearly identified, and not emerge from unmarked vehicles and the identities of the officers masked. This is the government boot cracking down that all you self-proclaimed "freedom loving" haters of the federal government are always going on about.”
It’s not the job of the federal agents to separate out the “peaceful” protesters from the violent rioters, when they are intentionally intermixed. If the “peaceful” protesters don’t want to be hurt, gassed, etc, they need to separate themselves from the rioters when they get violent. When they don’t, it is all on them. Often, it appears that the true “peaceful” protesters are separated from the violent rioters by time - before dark, things tend to be fairly peaceful, but after dark, the violent rioters come out.
And we aren’t talking just screaming at the federal agents, but things have apparently escalated to the point that the violent rioters are actively trying to injure as many federal agents as they can, by throwing hard and sharp objects, and even set spikes for them this weekend, upon which one federal agent was impaled.
As for masking their identity, it is SOP, and has been for quite some time. This weekend, in Chicago, the violent rioters got close enough, to Chicago PD officers to read badges, then looked them up on the Internet, in real time, followed by broadcasting their family and residence .information via bull horns to the crowd, who then started taunting the officers with threats against their family members. About raping their wives and daughters, before killing them. That is why their names are not visible on the uniforms of the federal agents. They do have information visible about their department and units, and typically an identification number, in case a bona fide complaint is warranted.
There is, of course, no Constitutional or legal reasons that they have to move around in marked vehicles, or even government owned vehicles. They don’t, for good reasons. For one, in Portlandia, identified federal LEO vehicles are almost instantly mobbed when recognized by the violent rioters. But even beyond that, even when the government owns the vehicles, they aren’t marked. It’s primarily a safety issue.
Face it. Most of your complaints are the result of intentional misinformation and propaganda on the part of the rioters and their enablers. For the most part, those injured by the federal agents have intentionally placed themselves in harm’s way. They are present in the midst of violent attacks on the federal agents, or have participated in illegal behavior, such as entering the area around a federal building that has been identified as an exclusion zone. Or are just plain lying. The feds are picking up people to arrest, or as material witnesses, and unless in the midst of an attack by the rioters, are not picked randomly, but rather are targeted.
MadTownGuy said...
Christopher David resists arrest and gets a broken hand. He was just going for the technical foul.
7/21/20, 2:58 PM
Drugs, right? Probably washed out of Annapolis on a drug test and flushed all the way to Portland. Actually I thought that might have been Howie, Marines are Navy right?
What is the protest about? A guy dies in Minnesota while under restraint by the police in a Democrat governed City, with a Democrat Governor, with a Democrat City Council, with a black Muslim Attorney General, and with a black Police Chief.
Why is there a BLM protest in my little North Idaho town made up of young, naive, emotionally manipulated, white, Community College girls? (One of them looked like Ann. Just sayin'.)
It's about Diversity and Inclusion, isn't it?
'Bout freakin' time.
This Navy veteran obstructed police when they were in the process of restoring public safety and order. Taking control of the street back from a violent mob. He does not have the right to obstruct them in any way, much less by physically blocking them and demanding they stop and hear his grievances. My taxes pay for the federal facilities these organized mobs are trying to destroy. They also pay for the federal agents now being deployed to stop them. The previous generation's gains at reducing violent crime are being cast away in a matter of months. People, most of them black, are getting murdered all over. At twice the rate of a year ago in many places.
All so a bunch of jerks can preen now and take political power next year.
This was a risky strategy by the left, but those in control don't care about elections.
It may be their best strategy. Trump is on the right track, but with so many obstacles forcing detours, it is uncertain that he will be able reform the system in time, and the debts that are due are just over the horizon.
"If the “peaceful” protesters don’t want to be hurt, gassed, etc, they need to separate themselves from the rioters when they get violent."
Gandhi fasted multiple times to stop demonstrations that had turned violent. "Peaceful demonstrators" who continue providing cover for rioters are outside of any tradition of civil disobedience.
Of course, Gandhi statue's have been targeted along with everything else.
"Spooky," as in "Spook?" Interesting choice of words. Growing up in the south and DC, Spook was a derogatory ethnic slur, like "Spade" applied to black persons.
Where's the push back on using racial slurs?
Please explain the “peaceful protests” which can only occur between midnight and 4:30 am.
Something about them seems amiss.
The media is trying to set a pecedent that the Feds can waltz into any state and do what they want. They can’t. And if you look through the blur of misdirection, they aren’t. But once the Feds are in, they are not going to play nice; they are not going to mimic the ineffectual local constabulary.
Really, no one wants the feds coming in - it is a bad precedent - but when the local do-nothing government plays politics with your life, then that’s who you have to turn to.
I've lost track of what is happening in Portland. I know they set the Federal Courthouse on fire last night, and pushed a bunch of "moms" up to the front of the lines?
I would love to know what this is about and how people in Portland feel about this.
“"Spooky," as in "Spook?" Interesting choice of words. Growing up in the south and DC, Spook was a derogatory ethnic slur, like "Spade" applied to black persons.”
It’s half century old slang for AC-130 Spectre gunships. First used apparently in 1966, in Vietnam, they have been in heavy use in recent years in places like Afghanistan and Iraq for close air support. Typical Yankee ingenuity. They were starting to use Gatling guns during the Vietnam War capable of firing at 2+k rounds per minute. Except aircraft typically couldn’t carry even a minutes worth of ammunition. Someone got the bright idea of putting a couple of Gatling guns in a (C-130) cargo plane, and firing them out the side. Being a cargo plane, it could carry enough ammunition to shoot for extended periods of time. They shoot out of one side, typically banking in a “pylon” turn that rotates around a single point on the ground. It would be pitch black, and then Spooky would open up, with a cone of tracer fire lighting up the sky. Then it would be dark again. That’s the “Sooky”. Notably, they only operate at night, because of their vulnerability to ground fire, if they can be seen.
Michael K said;
I disagree. I could be mistaken but I think this will flip the northwest. CA has vote fraud pretty well war gamed but not OR and WA.
Washington locked up vote fraud a little over 16 years ago. They were one of the first to find ballots in car trunks, closets, storage lockers etc. A funny thing was they always found just enough to win.
I'm leaning toward the notion that if these leftists want to trash and destroy their own cities, let them. Just cut off all federal funding for rebuilding. Let the pigs wallow in their sty.
"I'm willing to bet I speak for a large majority of the people when I say that I want local law enforcement to handle the violence. I don't want Trump to send in the Feds. But you know what I don't want most of all? For the violence to continue unchecked, with nobody doing anything about it.
The choice of whether it is done locally or federally is made by the mayor. And that's who I'll blame if I don't get my first choice. Trump is who I will thank if my second choice comes through after my first choice fails."
Pitch perfect.
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