July 4, 2020

Having carefully read Trump's Mount Rushmore speech and analyzed it line by line, I will now look at the mainstream media headlines.

Go to the previous post for my untainted assessment of the speech. I will now see what's being said:

The front page of the Washington Post has "Ahead of July 4, Trump exploits racial, social divisions/In a dark speech at the foot of Mount Rushmore's monument, President Trump focused on what he described as a 'left-wing cultural revolution' that aims to rewrite U.S. history and erase its heritage" — reworded at the article page as "At Mount Rushmore, Trump exploits social divisions, warns of ‘left-wing cultural revolution’ in dark speech ahead of Independence Day."

Oh, it's a "dark speech." It was full of optimism and painted the beautiful version of American history, but what the Washington Post saw is darkness. But it certainly did attack the left — for its dark vision. The article brings that out, giving the most highlighted position to this quote from Trump:
"The radical ideology attacking our country advances under the banner of social justice. But in truth, it would demolish both justice and society. It would transform justice into an instrument of division and vengeance and turn our free society into a place of repression, domination and exclusion. They want to silence us, but we will not be silenced."
The New York Times has "Trump Uses Mount Rushmore Speech to Deliver Divisive Culture War Message/Down in the polls and failing to control a raging pandemic, the president cast himself as waging battle against a 'new far-left fascism' that imperils American values and seeks to erase history." The speech is full of material that can be used to make the argument that Trump was pulling Americans together, but he was calling on us to reject the destructive message that he ascribed to the far left. The left is very conspicuously "waging battle" against American values, so it's not as though Trump is starting it. He's fighting back. Whether he's fighting for America — as he says — or because he's "down in the polls and failing to control a raging pandemic" is a matter of opinion.

The quote the NYT puts in the most highlighted position is:
"Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values and indoctrinate our children. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities.”
The CNN headline is "Trump tries to drag America backward on a very different July 4th." He's "stirring fear of cultural change." The highlighted quote is "merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values and indoctrinate our children."

NPR has "Trump Flouts Virus Rules, Warns Of 'New Far-Left Fascism' In Speech Ahead Of July 4th." One way to spin the speech is to downplay the text and stress the disease risk in holding an event at all. Like CNN, NPR highlights "merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values and indoctrinate our children."

Politico has "Trump seeks to claim the mantle of history in fiery Mount Rushmore address/The president’s speech, part of a July 4 weekend celebration, comes after weeks of protests against racism and police brutality that have forced broader discussions over America's monuments." What's most interesting about that is that it's not a big headline on the front page. In fact, it's squirreled away under the much larger headline, "Yes, Biden is thrashing Trump. But he could still blow it/Biden’s polling lead over Trump is significant, though not unprecedented." I'm going to interpret this to mean that Political saw an effective speech and is afraid and seeing an immediate need to boost Biden. The Biden article is long, and it's not about any news, just speculation about what could go wrong:
Biden might say the wrong thing at a debate, or have an awkward moment in an interview or at a press conference.... Biden’s campaign might make poor decisions about spending allocations in the battleground states.... It is possible that Trump before November will announce a coronavirus vaccine.... And it is possible that the economy will improve....
Oh, heavens, no! Not a coronavirus vaccine and an improved economy! The double whammy!!

152 comments:

Michael K said...

They are accusing Trump of what they have been doing for years. Waging a culture war on the dominant culture, just as Gramsci recommended.

Dave Begley said...

John Hinderaker at Power Line had the same idea: Look at the headlines of the Fake News. One of his conclusions is that the Left knows that it is losing.

Great minds think alike and in real time; Althouse and Hinderaker.

Charlie said...

Boston Globe headline:

"President Trump pushes racial division, flouts coronavirus rules at Mount Rushmore"

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Biden is not going to win. Polling that says he is is nonsense. Even my super pro-Democrat Trump hating with a extra helping of TDS brother-in-law and his wife have stopped berating me about how awful Trump is. Hell, my brother-in-law has a fifty dollar bet that Trump will win.

Also, had to make a trip to TN on Thursday, back on Friday. Going north, lots of FL tags heading to cooler climes. Heading south, lots of tags from various northern states heading to the beach. Most people were wearing masks at the rest stops, but the shutdowns are on their way to being over. People aren't buying into it any longer.

Mark said...

As always, the MSM's articles were written before they had a text of the speech.

Bilwick said...

Trump could have been more of a unifier by wishing Happy Dependence Day to "liberals," "progressives," and other serf-minded creatures.

Freder Frederson said...

The left is very conspicuously "waging battle" against American values.

What a bullshit statement. Can you define what "American values" are, and particularly what values the left is 'conspicuously "waging war"' against? Trump's vision of American values is apparently to whitewash our history, including memorializing traitors.

Let's talk about the first amendment. The Supreme Court has ruled that burning the flag is protected speech, yet Trump wants a law banning it. He has tried to suppress the publication of two books within the past month, and his liberal use of NDA's demonstrate he is not a fan of Freedom of Speech.

Promising to send people to jail for 10 years for vandalism is hardly an "American Value", unless you think that excessive prison terms are a good American Value.

If anything Trump's vision of America is more fascist than the "fascism" he decries on the left. Extreme nationalism, putting America First, and condemning those who point out flaws in the system, or protest excessive use of police and military power, are hallmarks of fascism.

Freder Frederson said...

Oh yeah, and let's not forget he retweeted a guy yelling "White Power" just a week ago.

traditionalguy said...

That evil Orange man is trying to trick the voters by being a near perfect President. But....but....it's all a white man's trick.

bagoh20 said...

So tell me again why the media is not the enemy pf the people. They're sure not helping us find the truth or make an informed decision. They're clearly doing just the opposite. I don't know what a media could do that would be any more like an enemy. Imagine the bullshit they will be feeding us if Biden wins.

Just an old country lawyer said...

So I take it that Judge Sullivan has yet to sign a dismissal order in the Flynn case. If not, why not? If not now, when?

I know this is off topic, Professor Althouse, but I haven't seen any discussion on this case since last week and I wonder what nefarious skullduggery is underway.

Let's have a happy Independence Day while we still can.

Achilles said...

This will be the election we have always wanted.

The masks are off. The democrats can no longer pretend they are anything other than a destructive outside force trying to take our freedom and destroy our free markets.

They hate the United States and the people they disagree with.

Enough states will block the obvious election fraud that Democrats have no chance in the electoral college or the Senate.

Temujin said...

I wonder if the NY Times and WaPo see themselves as sounding and looking exactly like CNN? It is a fairly laughable standard, yet it is where they have worked so hard for years to position themselves. Whether they know it or not, it is how the majority of the American public sees them now.

Not really a 'paper of record' any longer for the Times. More or less, a paper of ridicule, slogging around in it's self-created muck.

Jupiter said...

Boy, the Enemy were really counting on the coronavirus to destroy the American economy so they could take over our country. Interesting.

Unknown said...

Press has settled in as the Enemy of the People

Lucien said...

They’re just recycling their arguments. Remember the jornolistic chorus decrying the “dark” tone of the 2016 Republican convention? I can’t wait for them to circle back to “American Carnage”.

michaele said...

I find it odd that in the middle of all this BLM hysteria, any writer for a liberal leaning paper would use the words "dark" or "darkness" as a pejorative. Why are dark words so dangerous when dark skin is so praiseworthy and people with dark skin are in a protected class?

Browndog said...

ABC News
@ABC

Pres. Donald Trump pushes racial division, flouts virus rules at the foot of Mount Rushmore.

Phil 314 said...

“Can you define what "American values" are, and particularly what values the left is 'conspicuously "waging war"' against? “

Uh, let’s see
-freedom of speech
-law enforcement
-the second amendment
-private property


There are many more but I'll stop here. I didn’t even vote for Trump but continue to be incensed by the stupidity and the insanity of the Left and the way it has come to control the Democratic Party. Scoop Jackson, need you now.

MountainMan said...

Feder Frederson said... "Promising to send people to jail for 10 years for vandalism is hardly an "American Value"

Well, it is the law of the land.

From 18 U.S.C. 1361

1666. ..."The penalties for violations of this section are tied to the extent of the property damage. As amended on September 13, 1994, if the damage exceeds $100, the defendant is subject to a fine of up to $250,000, ten years imprisonment, or both."

In his EO President Trump simply directed the enforcement of the law as written. Took about 60 seconds in DuckDuckGo to find this. Perhaps you should learn how to look up things on the internet.

SteveM said...

To Just An Old Country Lawyer @ 9:37 am: I practice before the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, not the D.C. Circuit, but their rules are substantial the same. The district court doesn’t have to dismiss until the court of appeals issues its Mandate. In turn, the court of appeals doesn’t issue its Mandate until the time to file a request for panel rehearing and/or rehearing en banc has expired or decided if filed. In the Mandate, the court of appeals tells the district court to now do what we told you to do in our earlier opinion.

Sam L. said...

I despise, detest, and distrust the "media" in all its forms. I ignore it.

mikee said...

Althouse, you should know by now that reading Trump's speech to analyze the news reports written about it was a waste of time. You could have predicted the headlines and narratives of each noted article by rote, at this stage of Trump's two term presidency.

anti-de Sitter space said...

I didn’t see the speech.

Twitter was showing clips of DJT struggling to read words from the teleprompter.

And, this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/joekovacjr/status/1279256786017681408

Which must be out of context, or a deep fake, or an electoral pander to the state. I dunno.

William said...

I wonder if the NYT or other papers would describe putting huge, block long letters spelling out Black Lives Matter on city streets and in front of Trump properties as being in some way "divisive". Perhaps they should close the street altogether and erect a huge statue of George Floyd there. Make it big enough so that's the first thing Trump will see from his penthouse window.. ...Is toppling statues a 1st amendment right? It is, at any rate, a more significant act than vandalism....I have some immediate antecedents who fought on the Union Side. They were shot at by Confederates, and a great-granduncle was wounded. If they were willing to shrug off the erection of Confederate monuments in the interests of binding the nation's wounds, why do others, generations later, have more right to be offended by these monuments?

Birches said...

I have a great hope for the Great Americans Hall of Fame. If done right, this area would become a very popular place on the Mall. It would be accessible for selfies and teach Americans about why these men and women are important to us all.

I can see these statues being replicated and taken on the road to other parts of the country where school children could visit and learn about our shared heritage. I'm getting weepy thinking about it.

I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It has a strong pioneer heritage. My mom and her parents joined when my mom was 12. My dad when he was 18. I have no part in that traditional pioneer heritage, but I feel like it's my own too. Our church sponsors mini pioneer treks for the youth so that we can identify with those pioneers, even if you're like me. The statues can be a bit like that for all Americans.

What a great idea. I'm sad that our media elite can't see that.

Drago said...

Freder Frederson: "Oh yeah, and let's not forget he retweeted a guy yelling "White Power" just a week ago."

That's it? Nothing more to that story?

Why dont you post a link to that video so we can see just what that terrible guy was up to....

Note: We all know why you didnt

Classic Freder in Bundy Case Liar Mode!

Michael K said...

reder Frederson said...
The left is very conspicuously "waging battle" against American values.

What a bullshit statement. Can you define what "American values" are, and particularly what values the left is 'conspicuously "waging war"' against? Trump's vision of American values is apparently to whitewash our history, including memorializing traitors.


Here we have an almost perfect example of leftspeak. American values have been well known for many years and only recently have communist inspired rioters tried to change the definitions.

Antonio Gramsci explained it years ago.

Orthodox Marxism had predicted that socialist revolution was inevitable in capitalist societies. By the early 20th century, no such revolution had occurred in the most advanced nations. Rather, capitalism seemed more entrenched than ever. Capitalism, Gramsci suggested, maintained control not just through violence and political and economic coercion, but also through ideology. The bourgeoisie developed a hegemonic culture, which propagated its own values and norms so that they became the "common sense" values of all. People in the working-class (and other classes) identified their own good with the good of the bourgeoisie, and helped to maintain the status quo rather than revolting.

See how that works ?

EdwdLny said...

" What a bullshit statement." Well sparky you clowns wrote new rules. Now they are being used against you. And, it's only just started. Enjoy what you have wrought.

"Oh yeah, and let's not forget he retweeted a guy yelling "White Power" just a week ago." Hmm you seem to have forgot about that free speech thing, and so quickly too. By the by ,why is it ok for the burn-loot-murder crowd to shout and spit "black power" but "offensive " for those among whom are paler to not support their skin hue. Sure I know ,okay for me but not for thee. The mantra of dictatorial tyrants everywhere.

Big Mike said...

“They want to silence us, but we will not be silenced."

Damned right!

Bilwick said...

As I've said before, if at thiis point in human history--particularly after the last 100 or so years--you're still a statist, you have got to be something of a jerk.Hi, Feder! Happy Dependence Day.

I Callahan said...

Can you define what "American values" are, and particularly what values the left is 'conspicuously "waging war"' against? Trump's vision of American values is apparently to whitewash our history, including memorializing traitors.

Apparently, Freder is living in that universe where Spock has a beard. The only ones whitewashing history are the left. Trump isn't pulling statues down. Trump isn't destroying historical places. The left is doing that. That is completely undeniable.

Let's talk about the first amendment. The Supreme Court has ruled that burning the flag is protected speech, yet Trump wants a law banning it. He has tried to suppress the publication of two books within the past month, and his liberal use of NDA's demonstrate he is not a fan of Freedom of Speech.

If you were being honest, you'd acknowledge that NDA's are completely legal mechanisms. They assert that certain speech is actually detrimental to others - their businesses, their reputations, etc. So to assert that NDA's are anti first amendment so twists reality that one can only do a facepalm. As for burning the flag - so what? It'll never be law, and it wouldn't be the first time a politician said something to fire up the troops. I could retire if I had a penny each time lefty politicians did the same thing. Oh wait! The riots and protests are PERFECT examples of lefty politicians doing that RIGHT NOW!

Promising to send people to jail for 10 years for vandalism is hardly an "American Value", unless you think that excessive prison terms are a good American Value.

As was mentioned before, that's the law. Don't like it? Agitate to have it changed. Were it up to me, it'd be 20 years, but that's because I know that this isn't just "vandalism"; it's a conscious attempt to erase American history. It's book burning writ large.

If anything Trump's vision of America is more fascist than the "fascism" he decries on the left. Extreme nationalism, putting America First, and condemning those who point out flaws in the system, or protest excessive use of police and military power, are hallmarks of fascism.

It's hard to address this paragraph, because there isn't a single shred of logic or truth in it. Suffice it to say, the definition of fascism that you're using isn't even close to the actual definition of fascism. In actual fascism, the government runs your life from top to bottom; everything Trump does is the opposite of that. Democrats are the real fascists because they stand back and let mobs tear down statues, burn businesses and assault people all because they want those victims to be scared. This is EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany. The fascism is ALL on your side. Own it.

Drago said...

Can anyone provide an update on the lefties/LLR-lefty GoFundMe to pay for recarving the Mt Rushmore George Washington into Soleimani?

Mattman26 said...

I get that they’re biased and have no interest in moderating that bias. But do they not see, or care, that their bias is so plain for all to see?

If I were a journalist whose only desire was to see Trump lose in November, I’d be inclined to be far more subtle.

Big Mike said...

Promising to send people to jail for 10 years for vandalism is hardly an "American Value", unless you think that excessive prison terms are a good American Value.

Actually, yes it is. If that bothers you, well, the Canadian border may still be closed but the Rio Grande can be swum in both directions.

Gk1 said...

It's like the democrats had learned absolutely nothing from Dukakis vs. Poppy Bush 1988. The majority of American's don't like having their country gratuitously denigrated by smelly hippies even though they can agree with some of its flaws.

What do they do? The cede the patriotism ground to a republican that is going to absolutely bash their skulls in morning noon and night with it until November and there isn't a thing they can do about it but sit by helplessly and watch.

Mattman26 said...

Statutory maximum sentences don’t happen all that often. Trump could direct prosecutors to seek the max, but its ultimately up to judges, and even Trump-minded judges aren’t likely to do it in most cases.

Drago said...

Gk1: "It's like the democrats had learned absolutely nothing from Dukakis vs. Poppy Bush 1988. The majority of American's don't like having their country gratuitously denigrated by smelly hippies even though they can agree with some of its flaws."

The goal of the left/dems/LLR-left has been to import a sufficient number of 3rd worlders who love socialism into the nation to replace American voters while simultaneously brainwashing the school kids that America is the root of all the worlds evils (like an army of Robert Cooks) and, as of 2008, they thought they had achieved critical mass.

Hence the "We're All Socialists Now" articles and the dems letting the masks drop about what they were really after politically......

.....but then Trump came along an upset the lefty/LLR-lefty marxist apple cart and they've been screaming ever since.

Look at it from the now standard democrat/marxist perspective: it was right there..in their grasp...just one more election to cement the complete weaponization of the government and big tech against republicans/conservatives to join with the lefts hegemonic control of media and entertainment and academia and the capture of much of the corporate world.

It was right there. We had Social Justice Scores in our future, where your access to medical care, financial credit, academic opportunity, perhaps even food, would be contingent upon your Social Credit Score being what the rulers deemed necessary.

It was right there. A few more judges and the second amendment goes away, the first amendment is gutted (hate speech ain't free speech, dontcha know), etc.

It was right there!

Darn that Trump!

mikee said...

Will the new monument be put where the FDR monument is? Because that guy should be cancelled for his internment of Japanese, and continued segregation of races in the US military.

Or maybe put the statues along a renamed Wilson Memorial Bridge across the Potomac. That guy should be cancelled for re-segregating federal workers, and for generally being a eugenicist authoritarian warmonger who involved the US in a war halfway across the world for no reason.

Your further suggestions for location of the monument are welcome.

Drago said...

adSs: "Which must be out of context, or a deep fake, or an electoral pander to the state."

A gleaming city rising out of the desert.

Not too different than what Israel has done.

A nice call out to, yes, a swing state that is up for grabs.

Not surprising a developer turned politician would use that one.

adSs, your time would be better spent in trying to understand why Hillary would completely forget about WI rather than why Trump keeps remembering to include everyone.

Douglas said...

Ann,
Thank you both for reading the speech and commenting on it, and for summarizing the press responses. Your comments were very helpful.

Drago said...

Freder is outraged! OUTRAGED than an old retired buy in The Villages in Florida, during a golf cart roundup comprised of about 10 golf carts, would get into an old guy laughing shouting match with an old guy Biden supporter who is yelling lefty slogans and insults so the old guy Trump supporter laughingly yells back at him "oh yeah, right, white power! white power!".

Too funny.

Next up for Freder: OUTRAGE OUTRAGE OUTRAGE at the Early Bird waiting times at the Retirement home restaurant.

Just an old country lawyer said...

SteveM @ 10:14
Thanks for the info. I spent most of my practice time in Bankruptcy Court and the only appellate work I did was with the Georgia Ct of Appeals and Supreme Court. I have now (thanks be to God) been retired 3 years and to save me having to do any more legal research could you or one of our other commentors tell me what the how many days between issuing the order granting mandamus and requirement to file a request for an en banc hearing?
If Sullivan was going to obey the Court of Appeals, he easily have dismissed the case by now. Just how long can he drag things out? Certainly not until the election.
Thanks for your help.

Michael K said...

I have a great hope for the Great Americans Hall of Fame. If done right, this area would become a very popular place on the Mall.

Watch out for people like the Smithsonian administrator who turned the Enola Gay exhibit into an exhibit on the immorality of the atomic bomb. They are out there and usually on a government payroll.

mikee said...

"Biden might say the wrong thing at a debate, or have an awkward moment in an interview or at a press conference.."

Joe Biden has dementia, and should not be a candidate for president of the United States.
His party, his supporters, his family and the sane rest of the country should acknowledge Biden's dementia sooner, because later it will be on a debate stage that Trump sadly shakes his head after asking Joe about Corn Pop and getting a rambling answer. Or worse, asking Joe what 8x7 equals, and getting called a dog faced pony soldier Biden wants to fight out back.

Biden's dementia can and should be advertised heavily, until the deniers in the Party of Science are ridiculed for their support of a declining elder statesman of their delusional Party.

Howard said...

Blogger Big Mike said...

Promising to send people to jail for 10 years for vandalism is hardly an "American Value", unless you think that excessive prison terms are a good American Value.

Actually, yes it is. If that bothers you, well, the Canadian border may still be closed but the Rio Grande can be swum in both directions.


BM, Running away is your bag. Libtards stand and fight to change the law. That's the Spirit of America. You people won't win by dominating the peanut gallery and loving up the police state gladiators.

mikee said...

"Biden might say the wrong thing at a debate, or have an awkward moment in an interview or at a press conference.."

Joe Biden has dementia, and should not be a candidate for president of the United States.
His party, his supporters, his family and the sane rest of the country should acknowledge Biden's dementia sooner, because later it will be on a debate stage that Trump sadly shakes his head after asking Joe about Corn Pop and getting a rambling answer. Or worse, asking Joe what 8x7 equals, and getting called a dog faced pony soldier Biden wants to fight out back.

Biden's dementia can and should be advertised heavily, until the deniers in the Party of Science are ridiculed for their support of a declining elder statesman of their delusional Party. Otherwise, we won't be ridiculing the guy with dementia, who is to be pitied, but the enablers who kept him in the race so far past his obvious decline.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“If I were a journalist whose only desire was to see Trump lose in November, I’d be inclined to be far more subtle.”

One would think. When I want to influence an outcome at work, I generally don’t take a shit in the middle of the conference room table. These clowns can’t even do propaganda adroitly.

rcocean said...

What biased headlines and analysis. They could have been written by Joe Biden's Campaign manager! What's really sad, is the Republican DC Establishment goofs still treat the NYT/WaPo with respect, as if they are objective journalism.

Gospace said...

Almost as if the MSM was editorializing on the news pages, and had an anti-Trump agenda.

Limited blogger said...

That was quite the stem-winder by our great president Trump!

rcocean said...

Here's a Fox News Headline I'd loves to see:

"Cowering behind a Mask, Joe Biden stokes racial fears and division, supports street violence & marxist attacks on America's Heritage and Heroes."

Ganderson said...

Trump Schmump! How ‘bout that Kristi Noem? Hubba hubba!

How about a cross-party hotness ticket? Noem- Gabbard 2020. Tulsi to keep us from more pointless foreign entanglements, and Kristi to keep the Corona Panic people on a leash. Let’s get it started!

steve uhr said...

Achilles. You say that Democrats are an “outside” force. Would you mind telling me from where? I haven’t heard from my Cuban handlers in years.

Gospace said...

Just an old country lawyer said...
So I take it that Judge Sullivan has yet to sign a dismissal order in the Flynn case. If not, why not? If not now, when?


Near as I can figure, the next scheduled action by Judge Sullivan in the Flynn case is scheduled for 16 July. Wouldn't surprise me if he thumbed his nose at the appeals court and sentenced Flynn on that date.

Gunner said...

Freder: If I vandalize the Mona Lisa or the Sistine Chapel, I am getting more than ten years. These criminals shouldn't get to do their destruction with no penalty just because they are on Youtube.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

Not even the most enbubbled Leftist thinks that Biden is “thrashing” Trump. Because, obviously, Biden isn’t doing anything at all. Except hiding in his basement.
I doubt the Generic Candidate ploy would work under any circumstances. But it’s absolutely insane with a 50/50 electorate. The weird thing is that these supposedly enraged and energized Democrats seem paralyzed by their hysteria. However demoralized you might be, wouldn’t you at least take some common sense steps? Like not choosing a candidate who is sliding into dementia?

Milo Minderbinder said...

What are these things called CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, Washington Post and New York Times of which you speak? The only possible news is that they are considered "news" in dark corners of our country.

They say the mountains of Panama are pleasant. Go there, oh you globalists, you. Please, while you can. My money's on that second amendment crowd, the ones with 200mm guns and 2B rounds of ammunition. We're in for a very interesting second half of this year.

Ken B said...

Two excellent posts. I hope you watch the speech and post your thoughts.

Michael K said...

Libtards stand and fight to change the law. That's the Spirit of America. You people won't win by dominating the peanut gallery and loving up the police state gladiators.

So, burning down stores and demolishing statues of American heroes is "The Sprit of America?" I assume you will be calling the police if a home invasion comes along. You should look into Powderhorn Park. I understand there are some nice buys there, now.

Chuck said...

It’s not that “protecting beloved national monuments” is such a hard sell. Anybody ought to be able to do that. Even Trump haters like Robert Tracinski at The Bulwark are talking about how we need to throw the book at monument-vandals. The bipartisan consensus on whether or not statues, monuments and other memorials should be unlawfully painted, burned or torn down is overwhelming.

In places like North Carolina, even when polling majorities approved the removal of Confederate statues, even larger majorities condemned the unlawful removals by demonstrators.

So it truly is a mark of Trump’s radioactivity that he cannot even successfully pull off the message of, ‘We should protect all federal monuments from any unlawful vandalism...’

n.n said...

WaPo: democracy dies in darkness

The Republic, the People and our Posterity literally die at the Twilight Fringe.

On a related note: Environmentalist Michael Shellenberger on rejecting climate alarmism

Catastrophic, unlikely. Anthropogenic, plausible. Cooling, warming, change, yes.

Social justice (i.e. relativistic) anywhere is injustice everywhere.

NYT: raging... pandemic

There is evidence the virus spreads primarily through manual not aerosol transmission. Wash your hands and avoid "black holes... whores" h/t NAACP. Avoid ingesting contaminated material. HCQ+Zn+AZ are effective early treatment to reduce viral viability and opportunistic pathogens, and complement natural body functions. Another, Ivermectin, is an effective antiviral drug after disease progression. Both are affordable and available. Both have mechanisms and toxicity that are well understood.

"Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values and indoctrinate our children. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities.”

The very model of genocide spread through social contagion and dysfunctional progression.

What's most interesting about that is that it's not a big headline on the front page. In fact, it's squirreled away

Their narrative must not be polling well.

Happy Independence Day to the People and our Posterity! Americans are prudent and bold.

SteveM said...

To Just An Old Country Lawyer @ 11:23: Under D.C. Circuit Rules 35 & 40, because this is a criminal case, not a civil action, the request for rehearing must be filed within 14 days of the court of appeals’ decision. Usually, the mandate is issued the next day or a couple of days thereafter. I think that the dissent in the Flynn case was trying to setup a basis for an en banc rehearing by arguing that there’s now a split among the D.C. Circuit’s cases on Rule 48 of Criminal Procedure, but the majority disputed that in its decision. Nevertheless, I suspect that a request for rehearing en banc will be filed next week.

n.n said...

Diversity breeds adversity. #PrinciplesMatter

Bay Area Guy said...

It was a great speech, and makes me proud to be an American. The violent Leftwing and the losers who can't cut it in America, should consider moving elsewhere to create their own CHOP or CHAZ utopian society to see how it turns out.

Happy Independence Day!

Original Mike said...

Just got back from a 4th of July boat parade around a northern Wisconsin lake. 34 boats, most decked out in flags, etc, waving to similarly decked out families on piers. Patriotic music on boomboxes. Even had several eagles flying along watching the festivities.

The elite left in this country is mentally ill.

Matt Sablan said...

Guys, we all missed a perfect meme moment to put masks on Mount Rushmore.

Drago said...

Howard: "BM, Running away is your bag. Libtards stand and fight to change the law. That's the Spirit of America. You people won't win by dominating the peanut gallery and loving up the police state gladiators."

Howard, who lets face it, isnt that bright, keeps forgetting that its not 2016 anymore when the dems were still pretending to be patriotic Americans.

Its all out there now Howie. The complete
destruction of the Republic, the nuclear family and Christianity is front and center with your Howards Heroes as the BLM front page openly and proudly declares.

Its fun watching Howard vacillate back and forth between marxist/anarchist rhetoric and transparently false shallow appeals to the "American" spirit.

The American spirit is on the lefty chopping block as well.....and now its not hidden at all.

Drago said...

Howard: "Libtards stand and fight to change the law."

Libtards only "stand and fight" where the dems in power have given them a wink and a nod that no one will get in trouble for doing so.

In Seattle, when the idiot lefty mayor said enough, the Libtards melted away without a fight.

LOL

So "brave".

Remember, Howard called these morons heroes equivalent to D-Day troops.

Literally.

Big Mike said...

steve uhr said...
... I haven’t heard from my Cuban handlers in years.


That’s because they moved to Venezuela.

Dr Weevil said...

While we're trashing Freder's silly remarks, I'm surprised no one has mentioned one of the silliest, that Trump and his supporters are "condemning those who point out flaws in the system, or protest excessive use of police and military power". This is simply false. No one has criticized fault-finding, or criticized protestors who stay within the limits of the law.

For the latter: I think I've mentioned that I've seen a couple of demonstrations in my small town of 24,000, in which several hundred people of different races marched down the sidewalk with home-made signs shouting "George Floyd! Say his name!". Absolutely no one objected: no one stuck out a middle finger, or shouted abuse, or even snickered at them, and they didn't do any of that to the non-demonstrators. Those who had other things to do (as I did) walked past or through the demonstrations without bothering them or being bothered by them. It was not a problem.

Lately I have read a lot of leftie tweets claiming to have been assaulted or tear-gas'd or even rubber-bulleted while "peacefully protesting", but I note that (a) even the most violent looters and arsonists like to claim to be "peacefully protesting", apparently thinking that "peaceful" covers any amount of wanton destruction except assault and murder and maybe rape, and (b) no one ever claims to have been "legally" protesting. If you're out after curfew, or knowingly on private property without specific permission of the property-owner, or spray-painting other people's property without permission, or ignoring a police order to disperse, or tearing down statues without the owners' specific permission, or blocking streets without a parade permit allowing you to block that specific street at that specific time, you may (or may not: see 'a') be acting peacefully, but you're still not acting legally, so fuck you if you get tear-gas'd or rubber-bulleted when you ignore a direct order from the police to go home. Any injury is your own stupid asshole criminal fault.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

My favorite is the WuFlu angle. It’s a #FakeNews trifecta in three words, “Flouts COVID Rules.” Wow. Three strikes. Try to slam Trump, and two lies about WuFlu because there is no mask rule OR social distancing in ND. So no flouting. No Trump to rule breaker. No true fault by any attendee. It does at least follow the new media rule of thumb, every headline is a lie meant to obscure the actual news in the story (which will be hard to find, if it’s there at all).

Spiros said...

This speech and its message is big league politics.

wholelottasplainin' said...

Does anyone out there know anyone as spiteful, hate-ridden, ignorant and dripping with contempt as ARM and Inga, Howard, and R/V?

Does anyone really think they have "friends"?

wholelottasplainin' said...
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wholelottasplainin' said...

Oh, and I left out Freder.

Those folk obviously hate all humanity, and it's unlikely they have any "friends".

BrentonTalcott said...

#Winning
"Let's get this engine started
Pack up the trunk with all we own
No lookin' back we're our way

We're restless and open-hearted
Flowers in a junkyard garden
Can't think of a reason we should stay

As long as we ride
Readin' the road
Doesn't even matter
Where we're gonna go
Cheatin' signs
Jumpin' our load
Sittin' in the back
Sayin' something funny"

Spock's Beard- As Long as We Ride

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-8lgUpAiQc

I was 5 years old when my old man hooked up our 26 footer to other American Patriots in the Potomac to celebrate in 76.

Happy Birthday America !

Get Fucked Marxist/Globalist/CCP traitors!

Francisco D said...

I just finished watching a 2018 Dave Rubin presentation at UNH.

Listening to the student activists screech against "hate speech" reminds me of our resident leftists here. They come across as massively ignorant and rude people who have "learned" WHAT to think and not HOW to think.

I fear for my stepson's future because the Progressive Mob is strong, angry and entitled. They wlll destroy this country if they cannot control it.

Jason said...

Freder: Promising to send people to jail for 10 years for vandalism is hardly an "American Value", unless you think that excessive prison terms are a good American Value.

Hey, make restitution by replacing any items damaged or destroyed in full, and I'd be ok with shorter sentences.

But you assholes made these rules. Not us.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50861259
**FIFTEEN YEARS IN IOWA JAIL FOR BURNING 'PRIDE' FLAG

So let's play hardball, fuckers.

gadfly said...

Oh, heavens, no! Not a coronavirus vaccine and an improved economy! The double whammy!!

CDC notes that there is currently no vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Of the hundred plus vaccine tests started, only the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute in Australia is as far along as phase 3 in a trial where the vaccine is given to hundreds of people so scientists can learn more about its safety and correct dosage. Testing is being done using the nearly 100-year-old BCG tuberculosis vaccine given overseas to infants. The vaccine is not thought to protect directly against Covid-19 but might boost the body’s non-specific immune response. Testing will not be complete by November so only Trump lies can bring vaccines into play.

Improved economy? Compared to what? The money-printing machine is running full-blast to convince fools that our unemployment is temporary as long as we pay people not to work. Congress has to approve the extra freebies to laid-off workers by the end of July and the Democrats won't renew until after the election - but Trump BS springs eternal.

Modern history offers just three presidents who were overwhelmingly re-elected: Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. Each had solid, positive net approval ratings (their approval rating minus their disapproval rating) a few months before re-election: Nixon at 17.7%, Clinton at 16.1% and Reagan at 15.3%. The last two presidents who were re-elected more narrowly - Barack Obama and George W Bush - had net approval ratings of 1.7% and -0.3% at the same stage. At the time of writing, Trump's net approval rating is a decidedly lackluster -8.1%.

Drago said...

At 10:15 p.m. Eastern, Al Sharpton admits on MSNBC that going to #MtRushmore like President Trump did shows he's "on the side of white supremacy" when we should be toppling statues of men like those in the mountain and "eliminate" them from the "American story"

And that's that.

The masks of the entire left and democrat party are finally, completely off and they are making no bones about it, Howard's self-delusional lies notwithstanding.

Howard said...

Blogger Milo Minderbinder said...

Blah blah blub blub... My money's on that second amendment crowd, the ones with 200mm guns and 2B rounds of ammunition. We're in for a very interesting second half of this year.


You people are mostly pre-diabetic at best, unsat fat bodies a couple years from walkers. IOW, soft targets who are essentially storing weapons and ammunition for the young lean lithe and wily enemy to take it from you then rape your women before killing you and your family. Fortunately, no one is gunning for you, so you are actually safe, but keep fear alive, its good for increasing your manic depression, high blood pressure and compromised immune system.

Next up, more Riot Porn featuring Scary Black Men sponsored by Armalite, Colt, Winchester and Glock.

Jim at said...

Reading bullshit like Freder's convinces me there is no way we get out of this without a national divorce.

And that's a good thing. It's long overdue.

Freder Frederson said...

If you were being honest, you'd acknowledge that NDA's are completely legal mechanisms. They assert that certain speech is actually detrimental to others - their businesses, their reputations, etc.

Where did I say NDA's are not completely legal? Actually, I think NDA's are perfectly fine in limited circumstances (e.g., to protect trade or business secrets). But NDA's have been abused, especially to cover up unsavory or even illegal behavior. The courts have no business enforcing NDA's that purport to protect the reputation of someone, that is what libel and slander suits are for. Also NDA's are abused most by people who have much more power.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Mainstream media?

Limbaugh faux-boasts of 50 million weekly listeners. Is that mainstream? If not, why not?

I hope Althouse is aware that the words she chooses matter.

I am aware she can be Blutarsky or whoever Belushi played in "Animal House" and claim "you fucked up, you trusted us" but I hope my deep, dark fears are born of personally-inflicted strife, not anything objective re Althouse and her blog herein.

Birkel said...

Judge Sullivan has a statutorily limited number of days by which to ask the circuit to reconsider the decision of the 3-judge panel. After that date passes, or after the circuit denies his request, the 3-judge panel will issue an order with a time limit for dismissal.

If the reconsideration request is granted (if applied for) Judge Sullivan could wait for a further decision. And the DOJ could appeal if the circuit reversed the 3-judge panel.

Sullivan is biding his time, as he is free to do. But he risks looking more ridiculous with each day. The DOJ continues to turn up Brady material.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Is this off track? A mere tangent? I don't know.

"Could You Be Loved"

"Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved and be loved?

Don't let them fool ya,
Or even try to school ya! Oh, no!
We've got a mind of our own,
So go to hell if what you're thinking is not right!
Love would never leave us alone,
A-yin the darkness there must come out to light

Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved, wo yeah! - and be loved?

(The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too,
So while you point your fingers someone else is judging you)
Love your brother-man!
(Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?)

Don't let them change ya, oh! -
Or even rearrange ya! Oh, no!
We've got a life to live.
They say: only - only -
Only the fittest of the fittest shall survive -
Stay alive! Eh!

Could you be loved and be loved?
Could you be loved, woah yeah! - and be loved?

(You ain't gonna miss your water until your well runs dry;
No matter how you treat him, the man will never be satisfied.)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?
Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something!
(Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something! (Say something!)
Say something! Say something! (Could you be loved?)
Say something! Say something! Reggae, reggae!
Say something! Rockers, rockers!
Say something! Reggae, reggae!
Say something! Rockers, rockers!
Say something! (Could you be loved?)
Say something! Uh!
Say something! Come on!
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be - could you be loved?)
Say something! (Could you be - could you be loved?) [fadeout]"

Big Mike said...

200mm guns

To my knowledge no one has fired a gun with an 8 inch bore since WWII.

Unknown said...

Well done professor.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

I have two suggestions for the location of the National Garden of American Heroes.

1. Downtown Minneapolis. They don't need all those ugly buildings. They demonstrated that by burning down a goodly number of them.

2. Union Hill in Seattle. Just raze those six blocks. There's already a park there for a head start.

Eminent domain is a wonderful thing.

Guildofcannonballs said...


Carlos Osweda
@COsweda
·
12h
"My plan is to cut off the feet of everyone who's left-handed."

Silence.

But the insanity hasn't peaked yet. Give it another couple of months.

After the Democratic National Convention, Trump goes all in.

DarktheKnight said...

#AbortTheLeft #AbortTheMSM

Buy guns and ammo.

Prepare

JPS said...

"The conqueror is always a lover of peace; quite gladly would he march into our state without disturbance."

In this spirit the WaPo laments Trump's latest disturbance of the peace.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Biden's dementia can and should be advertised heavily, until the deniers in the Party of Science are ridiculed for their support of a declining elder statesman of their delusional Party. Otherwise, we won't be ridiculing the guy with dementia, who is to be pitied, but the enablers who kept him in the race so far past his obvious decline.”

I think that the issue is timing. I think that it would work better to hit this hard, after the Dem convention, however much they have of it. Now, it would be fairly easy to swap Biden out for a less demented candidate. After that, they very well might have a mess on their hand. By then he will have a, presumably black female, VP pick, who will of course, expect the nod. But unless it is Michelle, they won’t have much of a power base of their own. Bernie has a power base, but will most likely be ignored. That could be a problem. Then there is the problem that states have different ballot cut off dates. If they wait too long, there are going to be lawsuits contesting substituting Presidential candidates after the statutory deadlines. It won’t be an issue in deep Blue states. NJ showed the way with Torricelli. And they are likely to lose in deep Red states. Which leaves the swing states, and, in particular, Crooked Hillary’s Blue Wall states. If the Republicans can keep the replacement off the ballot in just a couple of these states, it may be impossible for the Dems to win.

Freder Frederson said...

To my knowledge no one has fired a gun with an 8 inch bore since WWII.

You forget that during the Reagan Administration we brought the Missouri Class battleships out of mothballs and one was used to shell Lebanon. I also think we used the New Jersey in Vietnam.

rcocean said...

The MSM squealed like stuck pigs when Trump called them "The Enemy of the People". But that's exactly what they are. Their hate filled, lying coverage of CV-19, Trump, and Riots shows they'll support burning the USA to the ground, and tearing us apart, to get the Democrats back in power. Left-wing Rule or ruin.

Howard's remark about soft-bodied conservatives was hilarious. Post your picture Howie. Like most liberals you're either a tub of lard like M. Moore, a nerdy geek like Matt Yglisis. a bald potato-head like Brian Seltzer, a poisonous dwarf like Chuck Todd, or a weird looking beanpole. Or maybe you have liberal "crazy eyes" like Corey Booker.

Original Mike said...

Chuck said…"So it truly is a mark of Trump’s radioactivity that he cannot even successfully pull off the message of, ‘We should protect all federal monuments from any unlawful vandalism...’"

What makes you say he didn't pull it off; headlines from NYT, WaPo, CNN?

Remind us again why we should believe you're a conservative.

Freder Frederson said...

*FIFTEEN YEARS IN IOWA JAIL FOR BURNING 'PRIDE' FLAG

Actually, what got him the 15 years was being an habitual offender. I don't like habitual offender laws either. Here in Louisiana we have people doing twenty years for simple marijuana possession because the get nailed as "habitual offenders".

Original Mike said...

"Does anyone out there know anyone as spiteful, hate-ridden, ignorant and dripping with contempt as ARM and Inga, Howard, and R/V?"

No, not personally. Interesting point.

Freder Frederson said...

Does anyone out there know anyone as spiteful, hate-ridden, ignorant and dripping with contempt as ARM and Inga, Howard, and R/V?

Well yes I do; Michael K, Drago, and Achilles come to mind. I have never wished anyone dead on this site or made up accusations of serious felonies.

Bruce Hayden said...

“You people are mostly pre-diabetic at best, unsat fat bodies a couple years from walkers. IOW, soft targets who are essentially storing weapons and ammunition for the young lean lithe and wily enemy to take it from you then rape your women before killing you and your family. Fortunately, no one is gunning for you, so you are actually safe, but keep fear alive, its good for increasing your manic depression, high blood pressure and compromised immune system.”

Where do you think that most of the combat vets go, after they leave the service? Do you really think that many of them are going to join your team? Infantry, and other combat specialities, tend to be white (after that, Hispanic) rural, southern or mountain states western, with a representation from the Midwest. Mostly Red Team, esp in the enlisted ranks. It’s partially a patriotism thing. Blacks, when they enlist, tend to select specialties that will train them for a career after the service.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Judge Sullivan has a statutorily limited number of days by which to ask the circuit to reconsider the decision of the 3-judge panel. After that date passes, or after the circuit denies his request, the 3-judge panel will issue an order with a time limit for dismissal.”

He can ask the panel to reconsider. They won’t. They might agree to an en banc hearing of the entire court. That is a hard sell. The dissent studiously ignored the significant Separation of Powers issues. Moreover, they seemed to accept Gleeson’s theory, based as it was on rumors and innuendo that was not in the record.

“If the reconsideration request is granted (if applied for) Judge Sullivan could wait for a further decision. And the DOJ could appeal if the circuit reversed the 3-judge panel.”

I think that it probably goes directly up to the Supreme Court at that point. The Solicitor General signed onto the DOJ brief, which is rare. He spends most of his time at the Supreme Court (where he has an office). His presence on the filings said two things. First, he was speaking for the DOJ and the President. Brandon Van Grack was speaking for himself, as well as maybe Andrew Weismann, Bob Mueller, and the Lawfare Group, but never for the DOJ or the President. Second, that he will take it up to the Supreme Court if the government loses at the Circuit Ct. And SCOTUS has long given the SG significant deference on what he wants them to hear.

“Sullivan is biding his time, as he is free to do. But he risks looking more ridiculous with each day. The DOJ continues to turn up Brady material.“

But if he bides too much, I expect the DOJ to go back to the Circuit Ct panel and ask that the case be reassigned based on Sullivan disobeying their orders to dismiss. The panel saved face for him by denying the government’s request that a new judge be appointed. But that always assumed that he would do the right thing, and carry out their orders. I don’t think that they will be as patient a second time around.

Michael K said...

Fortunately, no one is gunning for you, so you are actually safe, but keep fear alive, its good for increasing your manic depression, high blood pressure and compromised immune system.

Yeah, they stay away from those of us armed, even if Soros DAs charge the people who defend themselves. They are looking for you pussies like Powder Horn Park, your side's refuge from those nasty police without college degrees.

Michael K said...

So it truly is a mark of Trump’s radioactivity that he cannot even successfully pull off the message of, ‘We should protect all federal monuments from any unlawful vandalism...’

How did you sneak back in ? Aren't you supposed to be at a Whitmer rally attacking the fourth ?

Guildofcannonballs said...

Oh shit I funked that up.

Carlos deserves all credit for all words.

"Blogger Guildofcannonballs said...

Carlos Osweda
@COsweda
·
12h
"My plan is to cut off the feet of everyone who's left-handed."

Silence.

But the insanity hasn't peaked yet. Give it another couple of months.

After the Democratic National Convention, Trump goes all in."

I love the guy.

hombre said...

If it is true that Biden is “thrashing” Trump, it is also true that it is the mediaswine’s doing as illustrated by this Althouse post. Americans who are stupid enough to allow their choice to be made for them in this way deserve the addlepated grifter that is Joe Biden. They also deserve the other consequences that are likely to follow.

hombre said...

If it is true that Biden is “thrashing” Trump, it is also true that it is the mediaswine’s doing as illustrated clearly by this Althouse post. Americans who are stupid enough to allow their choice to be made for them in this way deserve the addlepated grifter that is Joe Biden.

They also deserve the other consequences that are likely to follow.

Gahrie said...

Blacks, when they enlist, tend to select specialties that will train them for a career after the service.

Many, if not most, Black veterans are on Team Red anyway.

Michael K said...

I have never wished anyone dead on this site or made up accusations of serious felonies.?

There is another commenter here that once wished me dead. I very nearly quit this site but decided to return. Do you have any other examples?

Drago said...

Field Marshall Freder: "Well yes I do; Michael K, Drago, and Achilles come to mind. I have never wished anyone dead on this site or made up accusations of serious felonies."

I have never wished anyone dead nor made up accusations of serious felonies.

Other than that your comment is every bit as accurate as every other comment you've ever made here.

Gospace said...


Modern history offers just three presidents who were overwhelmingly re-elected: Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.


Ah, the myth of William Jefferson Clinton and his overwhelming popularity. In 1968 Nixon received a bare plurality of votes, winning with 43.4%. Hard to say which way the Democrat voters for Wallace would gone. In his first election Reagan had an absolute but small majority with 50.75% of the popular vote. William Jefferson Clinton won with a plurality in his first election with 43% of the popular vote, less than Nixon.

In 1972 Nixon took 60.7% of the popular vote. In 1984 Reagan took 58.77% of the popular vote. In 1996 William Jefferson Clinton brought his popular vote total all the way up to 49.2%, becoming the only POTUS in history to be both elected and re-elected without garnering a popular vote majority. His wife also failed in her attempt to get more than 50% of the popular vote.

Of course, the nationwide popular vote is immaterial. But there’s no way any honest historian can claim 49.2% of the popular vote is an overwhelming reelection victory. Historically, it’s underwhelming to the max.

Gahrie said...

You forget that during the Reagan Administration we brought the Missouri Class battleships out of mothballs and one was used to shell Lebanon. I also think we used the New Jersey in Vietnam.

Well, first of all, they were the Iowa class, not the Missouri class. There were six planned and four built. (USS Iowa, USS Wisconsin, USS New Jersey and the USS Missouri. The Missouri was actually the last of the four built.

The New Jersey did indeed shell Vietnam. She also attacked positions in Lebanon in the early 1980's. The Missouri and Wisconsin were used against Iraq in Desert Storm in 1991. They did in fact fire their 16in guns at enemy targets during this time.

There are no battleships on active duty in any fleet. There are 9 20th century battleships still afloat and on display as museums. 8 in the U.S. ( the 4 Iowa class, the Texas (A WW I era ship), the Massachusetts and the Alabama (which were members of the South Dakota class built in the 1930's), the North Carolina (Also built during the 1930's but a different class than the Massachusetts and Alabama).

The 9th is the oldest and only non-American modern(ish) battleship still afloat. Japan still has the Mikasa as a museum ship. She actually sank once during the Russo-Japanese War but was re-floated. She became a museum ship before WW II and saw no action in WW II.

iowan2 said...

Let's talk about the first amendment. The Supreme Court has ruled that burning the flag is protected speech, yet Trump wants a law banning it. He has tried to suppress the publication of two books within the past month, and his liberal use of NDA's demonstrate he is not a fan of Freedom of Speech.

Feder you can't be this stupid. Nothing President Trump has said is anti 1st amendment. Hell even Biden introduced legislation to protect the flag. NDA's? I lost track of how many I've signed, and Bolton published classified information.

Bruce Hayden said...

“You forget that during the Reagan Administration we brought the Missouri Class battleships out of mothballs and one was used to shell Lebanon. I also think we used the New Jersey in Vietnam.”

And two of them were used during Desert Shield/Storm. They cruised up and down the shoreline, shelling any military target they could hit with their 16” guns, with drones flying above their targets to offer real time shot assessment. In reality, they were probably more a distraction for the Iraqis, from the fact that the actual attack was going to come through Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

Gahrie said...

Ah, the myth of William Jefferson Clinton and his overwhelming popularity.

People forget Perot, and the fact that Clinton won twice with less than 50% of the popular vote.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

The left love destruction and hatred. they thrive on it.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

The Big Corporate Media are in bed with the Democrat Party. Been saying it for years. Now - they don't even try to hide it.

Birkel said...

It was clear the commenter above meant 200,000,000 when he typed 200mm.
It was not a reference to millimeters.

That said, the number is closer to 500MM.

doctrev said...

Bruce Hayden said...
Where do you think that most of the combat vets go, after they leave the service? Do you really think that many of them are going to join your team? Infantry, and other combat specialities, tend to be white (after that, Hispanic) rural, southern or mountain states western, with a representation from the Midwest. Mostly Red Team, esp in the enlisted ranks. It’s partially a patriotism thing. Blacks, when they enlist, tend to select specialties that will train them for a career after the service.

7/4/20, 5:01 PM

Let's put that aside for a bit, and assume the enlisted aren't going to enthusiastically gun down all the Pentagon diversity drones the second the flag goes up. There's some truth to the fact that many suburbanites are middle-aged and overweight, but this means only so much. When a housewife is ready to wave a pistol in the face of a thuglet, Opposite Day stands to become Opposite Daily- and actual black people are quite aware of the savagery with which white Americans will behave when pressed. This is also knowledge held by the Cherokee, but you have to expend far more time finding one- mainly because of said white savagery. An honest appraisal of the antebellum era would say that America genocided the native tribes more or less as a team-building exercise between the reconciled armies of the nation. You can assume Donald Trump hasn't learned these lessons himself, but you'd be wagering your life on it.

Michael K said...
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Drago said...

Gahrie: "People forget Perot, and the fact that Clinton won twice with less than 50% of the popular vote."

According to Althouse lefties, that's because the republicans gerrymandered whole states.

If you want to have a little fun sometime, ask them to explain that.....

Michael K said...

Drago said...
Field Marshall Freder: "Well yes I do; Michael K, Drago, and Achilles come to mind. I have never wished anyone dead on this site or made up accusations of serious felonies."

I have never wished anyone dead nor made up accusations of serious felonies.

Other than that your comment is every bit as accurate as every other comment you've ever made here.


Freder you are a fool but here is my own experience with a commenter here wishing me dead. Get over your self.

Freder Frederson said...

I have never wished anyone dead nor made up accusations of serious felonies.

Well no you did'nt, perhaps it was unfair of me to lump me in with the other two, since yoyu are just an asshole. Michael K however I could sue for libel tomorrow and it would be a slam dunk case (oh and yes I did archive the defamatory posts before ann deleted them). Achilles is just a psychopath.

Gospace said...

mm after a number not a length measurement means thousand thousand, aka million. It’s use in that way for everyday commenting could be considered archaic or pretentious- take your pick. It confuses most people when they encounter it.

Freder Frederson said...

Do you have any other examples?

Well yes, cedarford. He is the only other one I have called a nazi here and he probably considered it a compliment.

Michael K said...

however I could sue for libel tomorrow and it would be a slam dunk case (oh and yes I did archive the defamatory posts before ann deleted them). Achilles is just a psychopath.

You would have to prove that you are not the fool you are.

Tough job for the Field Marshal.

Freder Frederson said...

Freder you are a fool but here is my own experience with a commenter here wishing me dead. Get over your self.

Really!? That's the best you got? Pathetic, especially considering you were able to find it so quickly.

Michael K said...

An honest appraisal of the antebellum era would say that America genocided the native tribes more or less as a team-building exercise between the reconciled armies of the nation.

I would say the battle was pretty even. I have friends with a 30,000 acre ranch in southern Arizona . At the eastern end of the ranch is a burnt out ranch house from the 1880s.

The Iroquois had the best chance to adapt to the whites but they chose the wrong side in the French and Indian War. The movie "Last of the Mohicans" has a pretty good account of that war. Dartmouth college was founded for the Indians' children. It has gone lunatic PC but that was the original intent.

Birkel said...

You think you could prove damages?
In what court would you sue?
And defamation against whom?
A fucking pseudonym?

If you claim you are a lawyer, I say you are incompetent.
Every bit as bad as a certain banned commenter.

Drago said...

Freder: "Well no you did'nt, perhaps it was unfair of me to lump me in with the other two, since yoyu are just an asshole."

I don't think calling me an a**hole is appropriate just because I point out your numerous lies.

But then again, you are going to be you, aren't you?

Michael K said...
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iowan2 said...

mm after a number not a length measurement means thousand thousand, aka million. It’s use in that way for everyday commenting could be considered archaic or pretentious- take your pick. It confuses most people when they encounter it.

I'm not worldly, by any stretch, but I am a solver. Context tells a reader its not a measurement, what then? mm, Million? More context guns. 200 million guns? That gets it all to come together nicely.

Big Mike said...

FYI, an 8 inch gun is nothing like a 16 inch Naval gun. And the secondary armament on an Iowa class battleship consists of 5 inch guns.

Tommy Duncan said...

"The rest... are fools."

Thanks.

CR said...

They keep using the word 'dark' as a metaphor for evil, but this is clearly racist. Yet they continue to get away with it.

Michael K said...

Hilarious to watch Freder make a bigger fool of himself.

Too much fun for one day. Fireworks soon. G'nite.

Bilwick said...

I hope tomorrow, July 5th, in a spirit of even-handedness, Trump could throw State-fellators like Howard, Freder, etc., a bone by wishing them Happy Dependence Day, a festival for the servile-minded. They could put up a big screen over Mount Rushmore and show "Julia's World," the Obama paean to how happy the serfs would be on the Plantation with Massa 'Bama providing then with cradle-to-grave "free" stuff.

Bruce Hayden said...

“I would say the battle was pretty even. I have friends with a 30,000 acre ranch in southern Arizona . At the eastern end of the ranch is a burnt out ranch house from the 1880s.”

“The Iroquois had the best chance to adapt to the whites but they chose the wrong side in the French and Indian War. The movie "Last of the Mohicans" has a pretty good account of that war. Dartmouth college was founded for the Indians' children. It has gone lunatic PC but that was the original intent.”

The Cherokee, as well as the other Civilized Tribes, did a pretty good job at adopting white ways - to the extent that they apparently brought their black slaves along on their forced trek to what is now OK. According to one of their descendants I knew, they did too good of a job. They kept the best farmland, and sold the lower quality land to the whites moving there. And it was ultimately for that better farmland that they were removed by the government to OK. It should be no surprise, that they supported the Confederacy, over the Union in the Civil War.

I think that one factor for the Iroquois picking the wrong side in the French and Indian wars was that the French and English had very different methods of colonization. The French came over, almost entirely men, and worked closely with the tribes, often taking Indian wives. The intent typically was always to retire back in France. The English brought their own wives, with the intent of being fruitful and multiplying, filling up this new continent with their descendants. Which they proceeded to do. Population pressure was why they could never keep treaties, first with the French, then later with the Indians. It’s logical that those tribes picked the French over the British (and later American) settlers. The French were more trustworthy, because they didn’t have to deal with the pressures of population growth, which saw colonists sneaking across the mountains into the Ohio territories, etc, despite treaties that were supposed to prevent it.

But that population pressure, of actively encouraging large families, was also why the Indians were ultimately going to lose. They could have been the best fighters in the world, but by the time that the Plains tribes were fighting for their survival, in the late 1870s, they were outnumbered maybe up to 1,000x by the encroaching Americans. There was a decade after the Civil War, when the US was too exhausted to fight a lot. But that essentially changed on the country’s centennial, July 4, 1876, when word was received of Custer’s Last Stand. Within several years, the US was fielding multiple regiments to fight single Indian tribes. They just didn’t have the numbers to resist long run, esp when they had to protect their women, children, and old folks.

It also didn’t hurt that the government effectively sanctioned the butchering of the vast bison herds that had, up until then, filled the western plains. The Plains tribes had undergone a couple generations of rapid growth, after acquiring large numbers of horses. They could finally follow the bison, instead of waiting for them to come by once or twice a year. But it was still hunting, and not farming, then city dwelling, which allowed much denser populations. In any case, the Plains tribes found themselves starving after their primary food source was eliminated. Their tribes had grown too big to support without the bison herds.

Remember though that this sort of population expansions of one group, taking the lands of another group is as old as history. This has happened constantly, even into the 20th Century. And with our Indians, we had hunter/gatherers fighting the encroachment of farmers, and then city dwellers. The number discrepancy made the ultimate result inevitable.

wholelottasplainin' said...

Michael K said...
I go to other blogs for serious matters, although a couple of commenters here are worth while. Bruce Haydon and Buwaya are two. The rest, especially Freder are fools.
***************

so...you're saying that everyone else you see here are fools?

So.. you're denying the claim that if everyone you meet during the day is an asshole, then YOU ARE THE ASSHOLE?

How any drinks did it take for you to destroy your credibility here? Because that's what you just did.

Face it: you just shot yourself in the dick.

walter said...

Per Howie, the revolution will be metabolized.

walter said...

But maybe it's just that Howie likes his dudes young.
"Lithe"? Juuuuust sayin'.

doctrev said...

Bruce Hayden said...

Remember though that this sort of population expansions of one group, taking the lands of another group is as old as history. This has happened constantly, even into the 20th Century. And with our Indians, we had hunter/gatherers fighting the encroachment of farmers, and then city dwellers. The number discrepancy made the ultimate result inevitable.

7/4/20, 11:57 PM

The history of the native tribal is a bit more complicated than that. Before Jamestown, English colonies had a long history of "unexpected" failure. You can make the argument that the eastern seaboard was more hostile than tropical islands, but I rather suspect the tribes of those days wouldn't tolerate any amount of immigration that wasn't under their terms. Ie, kill the men and "take" the womenfolk. Modern feminists would have you believe the tribals had a 100% consent rate with white settlers, but then they can be silly optimists about their favored ethnics.

As for Indians choosing between the French and the English, the French chose to give away their North American colonies after the Seven Years' War. Voltaire remarking that the war was costing more than all of Canada was worth might have been apt, now as then: it was probably not worth forcing the Thirteen Colonies into independence or the French Terror. There were many tribes, who made many choices: they had influence upon wars, but clearly it wasn't terribly decisive or they would still have influence today.

As for the bison, I rather imagine the native tribal was pleased both to have horses to chase them, and rifles that made hunts less wasteful. I'm sure they were completely virtuous flower children who used every part of the buffalo, while the mean old white man merely took the skin and left the meat behind. Forget the many uses, including industrial ones, that the white man could put even buffalo bones towards.

It's a fascinating history. But it is over now, excepting some obnoxious white virtue signaling over a greatly reduced nation. Such is life.

Rusty said...

Howard: "Libtards stand and fight to change the law."
But only if you can sneak up from behind and hit it with a bike lock in a sock. Otherwise it's pussies all the way down.
Who let Chuck in here. I marvel,(not in a good way), at the pathology who would lie in wait until there is a break in moderation because of the holiday in order to post. You are one sick puppy my friend.

Rusty said...

Freder: "Well no you did'nt, perhaps it was unfair of me to lump me in with the other two, since yoyu are just an asshole."

I don't think calling me an a**hole is appropriate just because I point out your numerous lies.

But then again, you are going to be you, aren't you?
Can't-Get-Uh-The-Goddamn-Uh-Banana-Uh-Out-Of-The-Goddamn-Jar-!

Bruce Hayden said...

“As for the bison, I rather imagine the native tribal was pleased both to have horses to chase them, and rifles that made hunts less wasteful. I'm sure they were completely virtuous flower children who used every part of the buffalo, while the mean old white man merely took the skin and left the meat behind. Forget the many uses, including industrial ones, that the white man could put even buffalo bones towards.”

During the height of the (almost) extermination of the bison, they were taking maybe the tongue, and little else. The less urgent reason that the bison herds were eliminated was to open the plains to farming. With our rapidly growing population, we needed more farmland, and the bison, even more than the Indians, prevented the western Great Plains from being farmed. Barbed wire fences, like those used to control cattle, weren’t more than a small nuisance for Bison. The fences required for bison are formidable, and thus expensive.

I was not trying to minimize the effect that guns had had for the Indians’ ability to hunt bison, but rather was suggesting that the reintroduction of horses was more significant. This resulted in an increase in the sizes and power of the tribes most dependent upon bison, the Plains tribes, and esp, I think the various Sioux tribes. We saw the effects here in NW MT, where white settlement here retreated in the 1830s, with the Blackfoot pushing out the more friendly Salish, and who had been pushed over the Continental Divide by the even more aggressive Sioux. Of course, by 1876, the Plains tribes were overall better armed with repeating rifles than the cavalry units sent to fight them, who were still using Civil War surplus arms.

My point was not any homage to earth worshiping native Americans, but rather to point out that technology, combined with resulting increases in population density, have been the reality behind much of our world history, and it was just as significant here in the US, as the Germanic tribes that ultimately destroyed the western Roman Empire, and the Turks who destroyed the Eastern part almost a millennium later. Europeans moved in here in the early 1810s, and traded with the friendly Salish. Whenever the Salish found Blackfeet west of the divide, they would grab their newly acquired guns, and rush off to kill them. Until, 20 years later, the Blackfeet came over in enough numbers that they were able to push the Salish out. But this wasn’t unique here. Indians from one tribe happily, and almost automatically, killed Indians from neighboring unfriendly tribes. It was both necessary, for the survival of their tribes, and great entertainment. The dynamic was the same in my native CO, with the more aggressive plains tribes, with increasing populations, pushing out (or killing) less aggressive and less successful tribes, to the west. The century before, we saw the same dynamic, with Indians happily killing Indians of competing tribes, and allying with different European powers. And before that, we see evidence of the internecine wars between Indian tribes with the construction, then abandonment of the cliff dwellings in the Four Corners area.

Bottom line - I don’t consider the subjugation of the Indian tribes by people of European ancestry to have been evil, but rather human. Human nature. The Indians did it to each other. They killed each other for their land. Constantly The Eurasians constantly did it to each other. Africans did it to each other, and continued to do so throughout much of the 20th century. We did it to the Indians because, once we gained a foothold on this continent, we had a much faster growing population. So it was inevitable.

Michael K said...

I don’t consider the subjugation of the Indian tribes by people of European ancestry to have been evil, but rather human. Human nature.

The Indo-Europeans invented the wheel and domesticated horses. As a result they conquered Europe and much of Asia down to the middle of the Indian subcontinent. The DNA of the people post Indo-European invasion showed Y chromosomes of IE origin while the X chromosome was usually of the indigenous population. The same is seen in the Mestizo culture of Mexico.

Michael K said...

so...you're saying that everyone else you see here are fools?

So.. you're denying the claim that if everyone you meet during the day is an asshole, then YOU ARE THE ASSHOLE?

How any drinks did it take for you to destroy your credibility here? Because that's what you just did.


I overstated that but I do go to other blogs, like Chicagoboyz or Ricochet, for more serious discussion that are not full of trolls like ARM and Inga and Freder. It has improved since Ritmo was banned. I quit coming here a couple of times because of his abuse. Chuck is annoying but harmless.

If you think I care what you think about me, you are a fool too.

Michael K said...

I think that one factor for the Iroquois picking the wrong side in the French and Indian wars was that the French and English had very different methods of colonization. The French came over, almost entirely men, and worked closely with the tribes, often taking Indian wives. The intent typically was always to retire back in France.

Agree. The French did not bring wives, for the most part. Remember Marshal Dumas, father of the writer Alexander, was a French army marshal with Napoleon but his mother was slave in the West Indies.

BoatSchool said...

FWIW the USN’s last ship utilizing 8” guns was the USS Newport News (CA 148). She was the Navy’s last all-gun cruiser. She saw her last combat action off the coast of Vietnam. She was decommissioned in 1975.

BoatSchool said...

FWIW the USN’s last ship utilizing 8” guns was the USS Newport News (CA 148). She was the Navy’s last all-gun cruiser. She saw her last combat action off the coast of Vietnam. She was decommissioned in 1975.

BoatSchool said...

For the few USN vets that regularly comment on this blog my earlier comment should have noted that the USS Hull (DE 945) was a test ship for an 8 inch gun during the period 1975-79. Never fired a shot in anger. First time that size naval gun was mounted on a ship as small as a destroyer. Although the test of the new mount/technology was deemed successful the program was never rolled out.

Rory said...

"The French did not bring wives, for the most part."

French leadership, up to the monarch, was usually opposed to development, because they didn't want an alternate power center to develop in the colony. They were especially leery of Protestants settling in America. During the 7 Year War, the Canadians assumed that all they had to do was hold a few bits of land, and that the bulk of Canada would be returned as part of the global piece.

The French influence in Canada wasn't completely benign. They introduced smallpox to the Algonquins, and so weakened them that Iroquois had about a generation where they could raid as far north as they wanted.