July 10, 2020

"Becoming a Himbo."

Yes, you've said it before — blah blah blah TikTok is the devil. I'm not even going to put through comments that try to make that the topic. Write your own blog if you need to do that. This discussion is only for people who watch the video below, which I am recommending as funny and memorable. Once you see the graph and its 4 quadrants, you will never forget them, probably not, unless you're too offended by the realization that our Himbo-to-be would put you in the lower left quadrant, but get the hell out of there — become a Himbo!


@kyleprue Becoming a Himbo Part 2: What We Know So Far ##fyp ##foryoupage ##himbosrights
♬ Hood Baby - Kbfr


And as long as you're here, this cracked me up, especially since one of the commenters answered her question.
@sludgepocket

Someone help me find ##myfavoritesong ##anthem ##beautifulsong ##bestsongever ##musicalmasterpiece ##goodsong

♬ original sound - sludgepocket

This is the answer to the question:

49 comments:

Ann Althouse said...

Comments need to be about these videos, not about TikTok more generally. The idea of a blog post is that it is new material, and I'm holding comments to the standard I follow.

Lucien said...

Bringing to mind an episode of “Dream On” entitled “And Himbo was his Name-o”, which is a must watch for Terri Garr fans. You’ll never hear the word “although . .” in the same way again.

Mike Sylwester said...

These particular TikTok videos remind me of the 50 TikTok videos about that I have posted on my blog about the movie Dirty Dancing

Paddy O said...

I read instapundit, comics curmudgeon, althouse in that order in the morning. So was surprised to see 'himbo' until I remembered Althouse reads comics curmudgeon too, I think.


Not about the video, but just funny how a rarely seen term (Seinfeldism) can show up in different places and make me feel there's a weird message the universe is sending me.

Mr Wibble said...

Ah, the required "men's rights activists are all ugly losers" line.

Bob Boyd said...

There's something "simp" about a guy who makes the women's answer to the Hot-Crazy Matrix.

CJinPA said...

The science checks out. Reminds me of the Hot & Crazy Matrix.

Big Mike said...

The guy’s an idiot. Do women deserve respect just because they are women? They type of woman who answers affirmatively is precisely the type that deserves respect only situationally, i.e., when they inadvertently do something right.

Law Prof said...

I can't tell is there's a video that you posted that is not appearing for me that may answer my question below. I see three videos in your posting (Himbo, the girl asking about a song, and the answer).

The video is funny, but I don't really understand why "respect for women" is a variable. A bimbo, the female equivalent and the portmanteau contributor to "himbo," would account for two variables, I think--idealized beauty and vapidness. A beautiful, smart woman is not a bimbo. An unattractive, shallow woman is not a bimbo, and an unattractive, smart woman is not a bimbo.

Why wouldn't a himbo consider the same two characteristics? The respect for women variable just seems like some of irrelevant nod to the me-too-movement.

richlb said...

I heard an "N-bomb" in the background music. He's a white guy. Is he allowed to play that?

richlb said...

Himbo. El Chombo.

Chimbo?

Bob Boyd said...

Here's the Hot-Crazy Matrix, if you haven't seen it.

Ann Althouse said...

"I heard an "N-bomb" in the background music. He's a white guy. Is he allowed to play that?"

Yeah, I noticed that after I posted. If I had noticed it before, I wouldn't have put it up. I don't know why this guy with a very good idea for a little comedy video needlessly allowed something into it that makes it far less sharable.

Frankly, I don't know why rappers put that in their music, which always causes me to immediately turn off whatever is playing and to regard it as unplayable in any public space. Why would you limit your audience? It seems the answer must be that it also increases the audience, but if that's what you are feeding people, you ought to wonder why they have an appetite for it.

Expat(ish) said...

@Ann - it doesn’t limit their audience. You aren’t their audience. None of us are.

I didn’t hear the lyrics because I get a lot of rap (mostly old school) on my playlist and I only skim the words most times.

-Xc

Matthew Heintz said...

I've never been anything but a himbo,just ask the 20 or so bimbos that I have bedded down, respectfully!

John henry said...

NB: This comment is not about Tik-Tok, it is about comment moderation policies. You say:

Comments are moderated. Always. Too bad, but that's the way it goes. There's no viewpoint moderation.

Isn't restricting comments about Chines spyware company Tik-Tok "content moderation"?

Your blog, your rules, not complaining. I am pretty happy with the moderation policy though I do not like the delay in posting. Hoping you will go to an alternative where you can control the trolls.

I'm just asking.

John Henry

John henry said...

Frankly, I don't know why rappers put that in their music, which always causes me to immediately turn off whatever is playing and to regard it as unplayable in any public space.

Don LeMon agrees with you, Ann. He has 5 things blacks need to do. Sound's pretty much like Bill Cosby. No saggy pants, no children out of wedlock, education, don't litter

Number four now is the n-word.

JAY-Z, RAPPER: For our generation what we did was we took the word and we took the power out of that word.

CHRIS ROCK, COMEDIAN/ACTOR: We took this word, and we made it into poetry.

LEMON: I understand poetic license, but consider this: I hosted a special on the n-word, suggesting that black people stop using it and that entertainers stop deluding yourselves or themselves and others that you’re somehow taking the word back. By promoting the use of that word when it’s not germane to the conversation, have you ever considered that you may be just perpetuating the stereotype the master intended acting like a ni**er?

A lot of African-Americans took offense to that, too. I wonder if I gave the right advice, I really did. But confirmation came the very next day on my way home when I exited the subway in 125th Street in Harlem. This little kid in a school uniform no older than seven years old, he was crying his eyes out as he walked down the sidewalk with his mother.

I’m going to be honest here, she turned to me, and she said “I’m sick of you. You act like an old ass man, stop all that crying, ni**er.” Is that taking the word back? Think about that.


John Henry

Michael said...

I'm not seeing how the term "Himbo" - clearly derived from "bimbo" - indicates respect for women. At least at one time, bimbo essentially meant dumb blonde, with overtones of slut. But maybe those are now good things; who can keep up?

mikee said...

Himbo? Interesting. I prefer The Bobo, a 1967 Peter Sellers & Britt Eckland movie about a man whose goals are so far out of his reach, he becomes willing to suffer anything for a chance to achieve them. And yes, Britt Eckland is one of his goals, but secondary to Sellers becoming a matador!

Himbo seems pale in comparison.

Chacarron seems to be trying Gangnam Style with a salsa beat!

Iman said...

Frankly, I don't know why rappers put that in their music, which always causes me to immediately turn off whatever is playing and to regard it as unplayable in any public space.

Negro, please...

mikee said...

richlb, Mexicans can say that.
https://www.facebook.com/djmando52/videos/799087257276666/

Stephanie Carnes said...

The song in the video is one of the most popular current “sounds” on TikTok. It’s surprised me too that it appears to be acceptable for white people to use songs with the n-word as long as they don’t actually lip sync it. The most popular TikToker makes a “shhh” gesture when the word is in a song she’s dancing to.

Wilbur said...

Now I'm hungry for some hot, crispy pork chacarrons.

I've heard the song before but until I checked I didn't realize it was that old - a 2006 release. Tempus fugit.


I didn't connect with that himbo video. Too abstruse for Wilbur, or maybe the obverse is true.

mikee said...

A Korean War era novel about a black Army officer has him disciplining two of his troops, who fought over name calling. The officer starts by explaining that "Ni**er" comes from slave-owner mispronunciation of the country name, Niger, source of many slaves in past years, and/or the Spanish word for Black, Negro. And that it is therefore niether a disgrace to be called that, nor to call a fellow Negro soldier that word. But to call a fellow soldier a MotherFu**er, inplying the soldier had incestuous sexual relations with his own parent, was simply a violation of good order and discipline among the troops. Especially if it was true.

Then he looked significantly at both his fighting soldiers, who broke up laughing and denied any such thing. The officer's sergeant noted a decline in both fights over name-calling, and also use of MF as an insult.

WEB Griffin, The Captains

n.n said...

Male bimbo: mimbo

Ann Althouse said...

The Urban Dictionary definition of “simp” is: “Someone who will say anything to please someone, particularly a girl, in the hopes that they will be in good favor with that person.”

Ann Althouse said...

“ I read instapundit, comics curmudgeon, althouse in that order in the morning. So was surprised to see 'himbo' until I remembered Althouse reads comics curmudgeon too, I think.”

That wasn’t my source for this. I found it directly from just plain old scrolling in TikTok, which I enjoy.

Haven’t looked at Comics Curmudgeon in years.

That was a weird sideways swipe at me

Ann Althouse said...

“ The most popular TikToker makes a “shhh” gesture when the word is in a song she’s dancing to.”

Gross to be cutesy about that. There are a lot of young females who don’t know how much rejection they could experience in the cancel culture. They’ve been encouraged to display their youthful cuteness.

bagoh20 said...

First three videos won't load in my browsers (Brave or Chrome). The music video is absolutely mind-numbingly horrid.

I know my parents said the same about the music I liked, but that can't excuse everything. At some point it really can be lame and talent-less. We are there. Even the twenty-somethings I hang out with don't understand why the latest music is so bad and still popular, and they like Rap. It has gone the same way of politics. It's all aimed at not being good, not being tied to any standard, not being responsible to any set of values. That pretty much defines sucking.

wild chicken said...

John Henry, interesting story. Seems like blacks keep resorting to minstrelsy, and self hatred follows from that.

James Baldwin covered that territory IIRC.

Sam L. said...

There ain't no "there" there.

DanTheMan said...

What about folks like Obama, who are 50% black and 50% white? Can they say only half of that certain word?

Kate said...

I thought, "My God, that young woman is the worst singer ever." And then the actual song played. Hahahahaha. It really sounded like the Frankenstein monster trying to carry a tune. I didn't expect that.

Paddy O said...

I didn't mean it to be a swipe! I thought you read that site (since I think I found out about it here) and assumed that's why that word was in the air. Even more interesting that he used "himbo" and you used "himbo" this morning knowing you don't read it. One of those odd coincidences in life that don't mean anything but are interesting (and I say this genuinely, not as a swipe).

Paddy O said...

I should probably equally assume that the Comics Curmudgeon reads Althouse! Who is more the influencer, after all.

Ken B said...

“I found it directly from just plain old scrolling in TikTok, which I enjoy.”

So the rule is, YOU can comment generally about TikTok but no-one else can.

“Comments need to be about these videos, not about TikTok more generally ... I'm holding comments to the standard I follow.”
Evidently not.

Richard Dolan said...

The Himbo guy is taking a static look at a dynamic field - he could profitably update his TikTok by making a diagram that tracks a guy's passage through the quadrants as he gets older. Hard to do for someone who is (maybe) 21, but perhaps he's figured out he won't be 21 forever. As you move from hook-ups, to dating, to 'relationship', to marriage and fatherhood, you also move through his quadrants. Probably ending up in Simp-ville. Not so bad, all things considered.

Joan said...

One thing I appreciated about the himbo video is the implication that personal attractiveness (“hotness”) is something you have control over. Very unusual these days.

Heartless Aztec said...

In my decades long research I've found that women like any combination of men residing in the two upoer quadrants of the Himbo graph. Women's wants and needs fluctuate back and forth across those two areas and any man that can combine those two quadrant needs of women and dish them out either on demand or present a reasonable facimile of learned charisma is gold.
You'll get laid. A lot. At will.

Beth said...

I love that when I heard the young lady imitate the song my first thought was wow she’s bad at this. So I heard the song - she actually nailed it and it all made me laugh. Thanks!!

DanTheMan said...

>>They’ve been encouraged to display their youthful cuteness.

This is no longer allowed. Everything posted online must display that you are politically correct. Remember, silence is violence.

This is somewhat complicated by the requirement that your politics agree with the standards of 20 years from now, when you are an adult.

Good luck with that. Better to remain silent than say something controversial.
Which is, of course, the goal of Thought Police everywhere.

Todd said...

mikee said...

Chacarron seems to be trying Gangnam Style with a salsa beat!

7/10/20, 10:01 AM


I thought the same think, in part do to the video's style and some of his moves. I think he was riffing on Gungnam Style as well with his vocalizations but what do I know? I have never heard of the guy or seen anything else he has done. That may be his "shtick".

n.n said...

They’ve been encouraged to display their youthful cuteness.

Girls chasing boys chasing girls and natural imperatives are so old-fashioned.

Everything posted online must display that you are politically correct

Politically correct does not capture the essence of the Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic religion of the Church. Although, different sects will set different thresholds for conformance and tolerance, and cannot, and should not, be discerned through a diversitist perspective.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Hmmm I am a fuckboy. Learn something new every day! [kidding]

It is a funny video -thx Althouse. Must have been made back before the Metoo era- you know back when laughter was allowed even when the topic was non-PC.

Unknown said...

Whereas women can be hot and everyone agrees they are hot, very few men are in that category. For men you are generally only hot for women who find you hot and the reasons can be baffling or unknown.

The Vault Dweller said...

As others have noted if there was a 'Bimbo' quadrant analysis the y axis would also be attractiveness, but the x axis would be intelligence, with a Bimbo occupying the hot and dumb quadrant. But the 'Himbo' analysis has an axis for "Respect for Women" It is odd that a joke about men still is still about women. Is this a corollary to the Althouse rule of media coverage on the differences between men and women? (not sure if this is her rule or she just noted it earlier) Where when the media cover anything about differences between men and women it is usually portrayed as a positive thing about women. So is this Himbo joke just well crafted to the presumably majority female Tik Tok audience? Does it say something in general about the vanity of women... err I mean does it say something about how women are generally more in touch with their self than men?

buwaya said...

Being just a bit drunk (more than a bit) and about to go to bed - and yes as you get old you get lame, especially in the matter of partying into the wee hours on a Friday night at la plage. You nod off after the apertif.

The himbo is born, not made. A sad fact observed from the upper half of this chart.
There is only so much that nature allows. And beyond a very, very limited flexibility often won through great adversity, one quickly gets to the point of diminishing returns.

You know you have "it" if you overhear native women (like the French) talk to each other about you in the appropriate manner. At my age, a gratifying boost to my vanity, impractical as it is.

Also, no man is either on the left or right; it is all about tactics, presentation analysis, camouflage, or opportunity. We all do like to rationalize so, so much, but the fact is we are all pretty much the same.

Freeman Hunt said...

The girl asking about the song is funny because of how accurate her rendition turns out to be.

DanTheMan said...

>> At my age, a gratifying boost to my vanity, impractical as it is.

Take heart, buwaya. If you live long enough, you will find yourself hunted by dozens of senior ladies who have outlived their husbands.

It's not much, but its something.