Not true https://t.co/Sej1JDm45V— David Crosby (@thedavidcrosby) May 14, 2020
This morning I see "Melissa Etheridge reveals son Beckett Cypher died from opioid addiction" (NY Post).
Etheridge met her ex-partner, Beckett’s mother Julie Cypher, in 1986 on the set of the video for her single, “Bring Me Some Water.” Cypher was, at the time, married to actor Lou Diamond Phillips, and after divorcing him in 1990, went on to have daughter Bailey, 23, and Beckett with Grammy winner Etheridge. They eventually revealed that their sperm donor was 1960s icon David Crosby.More, here, at Variety:
The young family appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone with Crosby and his wife, Jan Dance, [in 2000] (Beckett is the baby pictured in front), and also in a groundbreaking interview with Charlie Rose on “60 Minutes.” In it, they essentially explained to America their family arrangements and how the children might grow up with same-sex parents.
“I do not believe that my children will be wanting in any way because they didn’t have a father in the home every single day,” Etheridge said. “What they have in the home is two loving parents. I think that puts them ahead of the game.”
She and Cypher split up later that year, although they moved into back-to-back houses to facilitate coparenting.
Etheridge revealed in 2016 that she and Cypher had considered their close friend, actor Brad Pitt, to be the biological father of their children, but reconsidered when they saw how much he wanted his own family.... "I don’t want to share this with someone who really, badly wants children because my children don’t need another parent – they have two...."
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New age bullshit.
Etheridge is an adoptive parent. Crosby is the father.
John Henry
Obviously, they did a fantastic job raising him. Poor kid.
Two mothers and a denied father. Two fathers and a denied mother. Transgender is trendy.
Ugh.
Lie down with dog.....
Heartbreaking.
It is terrible, this young man's death, so I don't want to say I'm amused about something, but I am amused that Melissa and her partner were thinking Brad Pitt but then decided to go with Crosby. Presumably they were limited to men who they felt comfortable approaching about this and we don't know who else might have been on the list but those two choices, they represent rather stark alternatives.
He was a sperm donor. Did he help raise the kid?? Did he pay child support?? The kid was bound to have addiction problems with a father like Dave.
Fathering a child....aka sperm donor....does NOT make you a Father in the sense of being the male who helped to raise the child.
Adoptive parents who have NO biological connection to their child are the Father's and Mothers. Step Parents who have raised children are often considered by the children to be their real Fathers or Mothers if the children have had no connection with the bio donors. Being a Father and a Mother takes a lifetime of real work and effort.
The term "with" implies a joint effort in raising the children. Unless David Crosby took a part in raising, mentoring, guiding the child (which I have no idea nor do I really care) he didn't have a child "with" them. He just donated sperm.
opioid
That word never fails to bring to mind a robotic Opie Taylor.
This story will no doubt elicit some top notch commentary from the resident church organist.
I recall when this back when they had the child. I wondered if there was an addict gene being passed on. One data point for 'yes'...
Half Crazy, drug addled, Rock star sires son - with two mommies -who dies of drug overdose. Wow, surprising. BTW, sons usually don't do well in Lesbian households. Just sayin'
Hard to imagine a worse donor of genetic material when it comes to drug addiction.
Its feels like one of those errors in reproductive science, like when two geniuses marry or when Andre and Steffi had a kid.
I can understand Beckett thinking that he needed out of this insanity that he was subjected to. Melissa Etheridge and Julie Cypher are two very selfish people. Their experiment caused some innocent child his life.
Same sex issue aside, the children of gamete donors and recipients, like adopted children, are at higher risk for all kinds of problems of living including depression and substance abuse.
The reasons for this are not immediately clear but many experience a lifelong sense of unbelonging and unease, and many parents who are insistent on parenthood over the objections of their biology are narcissists who don’t understand loving parenthood.
Not saying this is the case with this particular family but it often is.
A child is not a product to be bought and sold for the convenience and gratification of adults, but here we are.
I don't have the flu and I can't get my haircut, and... Oh, I tell you baby that increases my paranoia.
I feel like letting my freak flag fly
And I feel like I owe it, yeah ... to someone, yeah
Well, must be because I had the flu this Christmas
Oh, yeah and I'm not feeling up to par
Almost Cut My Hair
Happened just the other day
It's gettin' kind of long
I could've said it was in my way
But I didn't and I wonder why
I feel like letting my freak flag fly
And I feel like I owe it, yeah ... to someone, yeah
Well, must be because I had the flu this Christmas
Oh, yeah and I'm not feeling up to par
Oh, I tell you baby this increases my paranoia
Yeah, like looking in my mirror and seeing a police car
Well, well, I'm not, I'm not giving in an inch to fear
Well, you know I've promised myself this year
Well, I feel oh, like I owe it, I owe, I owe it to someone
Oh ... like I owe it to someone
Oh, yes when I get myself together
Yeah, you can find me in that sunny southern weather, yeah
I'm goin' to find a space inside a laugh, yes
Separate the wheat from some chaff
Oh, and I feel ...
Like I owe it, yeah ... to someone
Might drugs have been readily available in the households?
No relation to Louis Cypher, I trust.
Didn’t die of the addiction, died from taking the drug.
“What they have in the home is two loving parents. I think that puts them ahead of the game.”
That is the sort of thing you should only say while knocking loudly on wood.
She and Cypher split up later that year, although they moved into back-to-back houses to facilitate coparenting.
Sounds like the family in Big Love who bought adjacent three houses and knocked down the fences between them to accommodate their polygamous lifestyle.
I'd rather bear a family resemblance to Brad Pitt than David Crosby. Right from the start they made some bad decisions.
I am surprised David Crosby is still alive.
I met him in Northampton MA in the mid-80s and he looked like a burned out hulk of a drug addict.
You cast a wide net if you actually read David Crosby's Twitter feed.
I wonder if Melissa ever said to him in anger, "You ain't no daddy. You just a sperm donor."
I saw the documentary about Crosby last year. It could have been titled "David Crosby: I'm Practically Dead Already." Something like this could put him over the edge.
Anyway, I come online this morning to find people on the other site complaining on and on about "the culture of complaint," snowflakes, safe spaces and bailouts, and feel sick.
I extend my sympathy to all concerned in this story (especially Lou Diamond Phillips).
I wondered if there was an addict gene being passed on. One data point for 'yes'...
Seems like he missed out on Crosby's "drug survival" gene.
I like the story of David finding his illigetimate son better. It has a happy and musical ending. This post was a definite downer.
David Crosby seemed to be doing a fine job as Lionel Hutz's AA sponsor.
My recollection is that they have said that they proceeded privately via turkey baster rather than through a clinic, so some states might consider him legally the father. There's relatively little legislation out there even today. Presumably Crosby is saying something less clinical, though. Perhaps that he remained part of the child's life and acted as a father in some ways.
How sad to lose someone so young. Addiction is a terrible curse.
I’m all out in favor of freedom.
Even the freedom to live in incredibly stupid ways.
The popular music biz lottery locks the winners into perpetual spoiled brat adolescence.
The payback is almost always commensurate to the sins.
And it’s been the ruin of many a poor boy
And Lord, I know, I was one.
Research on children raised in these gay "parent " settings is not allowed. There have been a few suggestive reports but there is no funding for such research.
I've seen enough lesbian couples to know that these people are NUTS!!
Although sometimes they make pretty good porn....
If I remember correctly, part of the reason Crosby was chosen was his proficiency as a musical artist. It seems the poor kid got some other less desirable traits from his father. David is on his third liver IIRC.
Sad and terrible story.
The responded to tweet is unavailable. What's "not true?"
Filed under: More information about that family than I need to know. Why are they sharing this with me? No Boundaries!
I'm sorry their kid has passed. That is a grievous blow to any parent.
Hollywood and celebrity life messes kids up so much that even if he didn't have two mommies, this could have happened.
Kids with two daddies also get messed up in Celebrityland.
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And those with a mom and a dad, even in the unlikely event that mom and dad are still together.
Why are they sharing this with me? No Boundaries!
Celebrities share things like this because the tabloids get a hold of the stories anyway and they want to get ahead of the media.
Clearly, there are people who want to know or the tabloids wouldn't be on sale everywhere.
When I absolutely love about stories like these it's how life affirming it is for you people. In one fell swoop legitimizes your homophobia, misogyny, disdain for artists and jealousy of the rich. It's a deplorable tetrahedron of hate.
Kevin said: The responded to tweet is unavailable. What's "not true?"
poculture.com: After news of Beckett's death broke Wednesday, Crosby replied to a tweet that suggested he had "no other part" in Beckett's life other than being a donor. The Twitter user wrote, "I respectfully point out, David was their donor. They did not have a son 'with' him. He was Melissa and Julie's child. They raised him. Like most donors, he played no other part," the user's tweet read. Crosby retweeted the comment, simply writing, "Not true."
They F*cked up the minds of their children.
Reap what you sow.
DBQ,
I did not mean to dis adoptive or step parents. I have nothing but respect for them in general. I agree that they are "parents" in the fullest sense of the word. In general, of course. Plenty of bad ones just as there are plenty of terrible biological parents too.
These two women are nuts on a number of levels and seem to have used David Crosby to create a child more as a fashion statement than anything else.
If they had adopted one of the thousands of babies that will never find a home. Who were born not because the mother wanted them but because she did not want to abort them, I would have a lot more respect for them.
But, as I said, this is just new age bullshit. I stand by that.
John Henry
Of all guys to pick as sperm donor...big fat whiny no talent drug addled pussyman.. ugh
Very sad, I have a 21-year old boy, so it hits home. However, a generalized point to make:
“I do not believe that my children will be wanting in any way because they didn’t have a father in the home every single day,” Etheridge said. “What they have in the home is two loving parents. I think that puts them ahead of the game.”
It always struck me as odd when social experimenters say they don't believe X, and assure us that Y experiment will turn out just fine.
When do we get to hear from the the subjects of the experiment (i.e, the kids) that everything in that household was just fine?
Seems to me, there's a lotta social data out there that says having a stable Mom and Dad is a good way to go, and not having a Dad creates great risk of future problems.
But, again, I feel for the kid. Who knows what he was going thru.
Given that a there seems to be a strong genetic component to whether or not a person becomes an addict, perhaps David Crosby was not the best source of genetic material.
Last I checked 20-year-olds were allowed to make their own bad decisions.
Plenty of "normal" families have people who died of drug overdoses.
Focusing on the weird part of the family story misses the part where the "child" took the drugs themselves. You can't control the actions of grown children. If they really want to die, they'll find a way.
I'm sorry he died, but it's not like he caught something from his family. I doubt they wanted him on drugs. Plenty of children of the rich and famous have drug problems, and plenty of them don't (same with the poor and unknown). It still comes down to choices.
I look at that beautiful baby boy and my heart is heavy.
“Research on children raised in these gay "parent " settings is not allowed. There have been a few suggestive reports but there is no funding for such research.”
And if the research is done anyway, and it comes out as the suggestions suggest, it won’t be published, and if isn’t published it will be as if the research never existed.
I get this all the time with my kid on the AGW hoax, and now COVID-19. Their dissertation was essentially four (now) published papers merged together, so they believe with all of their hearts in the academic publication system. If the left manages to keep research fro being published, for many academics, it is as if the research ever existed. I sent them articles how the system was abused by the ClimateGate participants, by threatening to blacklist any journals publishing anything that conflicted with their research. It was successful with one journal after another knuckling under. Doesn’t matter. They still don’t believe any research could be legitimate if it hasn’t been published in a reputable journal.
Etheridge met her ex-partner, Beckett’s mother Julie Cypher, in 1986 on the set of the video for her single, “Bring Me Some Water.” Cypher was, at the time, married to actor Lou Diamond Phillips, and after divorcing him in 1990, went on to have daughter Bailey, 23, and Beckett with Grammy winner Etheridge. ...They eventually revealed that their sperm donor was 1960s icon David Crosby.
Oh, Julie Cypher had a child with David Crosby.
I love biological, scientific facts. They easily reveal post-modern fashionable fantasy.
"You people-ing" got Ross Perot into big trouble years ago. If the expression "you people" hasn't been banned yet, it's probably due to an oversight. Passionate internet warriors on opposite sides who disagree about everything may actually have more in common with each other than with the rest of humanity. That you can have a lot in common with people you have nothing in common with and a powerful relationship with people you disagree with about everything is certainly a paradox, but is it a tragic or a comic one?
It’s all selfish, but we’re told we’re ignorant homophobes if we don’t agree.
“We don’t need a man around we have two loving parents, we’re ahead of most...
They split up shortly thereafter”
Sounds about right.
John Lynch: agree, one nit to pick. The explosion of prescriptions for opioids two adults and children and teenagers house-made making choices more difficult. modern American doctors have a lot to be proud of the explosion of diabetes obesity metabolic disorder and the opioid addiction epidemic all on their watch. Deplorables and minorities hardest hit. That's why people cheer when some freak show elitist gets caught up and that grindstone
I just put you people in, lurker21, to see which one of you people provides an insightful take on the use of that particular way odious catchphrase that is reflected back to The originators of it.
Plenty of "normal" families have people who died of drug overdoses.John Lynch
Very true. Excess, self-indulgence and non-adapative behavior afflicts people of all economic and social classes. I would be interested in how Beckett's siblings are doing. Maybe they are normal.
I thought it was a good indication of Bruce Springsteen's parenting skills when his son became a firefighter. On the other hand, the Boss could have been a terrible parent but his son turned out normal. Who knows why people turn out the way they do?
While the addictive parent to child info is unproven, the "anecdotal" is staggering. Just ask anyone in the rehab game. Crosby had a liver transplant "due to HEP C". Wink wink, say no more. On another note Keef's kids must be doin well, he's a grand daddy. How can a kid model behavior under such circumstances as Melissa E's relationships?
As Michael K. described the "research" the suicide rate of the trans crowd is similarly hidden.
Parental influence is vastly overrated in most cases; I say that as both child and parent.
Narr
Show biz kids!
I remember this story, mostly because I'm a fan of CSN(Y)'s music and the many tales of David Crosby's excesses. I can't assume anything about this young man's death; it's a shitty way to go. Lot's of kids from traditional, supportive and loving families end up in the same place.
As an adoptive parent, I'll just add that we did have to pass a test before we could adopt.
When a same-sex couple adopts a child who is not doing well, that's a loving act. But creating a new life, and then as your very first act, taking it away from one of its biological parents, well, not so much...
Love the music of CSNY!
As for parental guidance or raising families or anything that else that matters in this world? Not so much......
modern American doctors have a lot to be proud of the explosion of diabetes obesity metabolic disorder
Howard, a doctor can only force-feed his patients so much in one appointment. And then the appointments have been shortening for years, too. What's a devoted MD to do??
"It's a deplorable tetrahedron of hate."
Okay, that was funny.
Interesting that Julie Cypher divorced Ethridge because she decided that she wasn't gay, and then married a man.
Lou Diamond Phillips seems to have no grudge with Cypher, sense he acted in a film she directed. And participated on "the right side of history" with California's gay-marriage referendum.
But Phillips' history with alcohol and broken marriages suggests either Cypher left him in addition to his own demons, or that Cypher's rejection hurt more than he was willing to show.
There's something happening here.
What it is ain't exactly clear.
David Crosby is one of those people, that, when he dies, people will be surprised: "I thought he died a long time ago!"
From reading some of the comments, people don't seem to understand that some mental illnesses -like Depression - ARE mostly/partly genetic, and so is an inclination to alcoholism and obesity. Hemingway's kids all battled Depression and alcoholism.
Does having a genetic predisposition mean 100% you'll follow in your parents footsteps? No. But it sure as hell doesn't help. And what are the chances that this dead kid's two mommies were anti-drug use?
I feel gut-level sorry for any child birthed to nitwits who are unable to manage their own lives. As for the other characters here, I will try to form an opinion, but that will have to wait until I can suppress this yawning fit.
Howard said...
I just put you people in, lurker21, to see which one of you people provides an insightful take on the use of that particular way odious catchphrase that is reflected back to The originators of it.
5/14/20, 10:28 AM
The originators of "you people?" Who, the Assyrians?
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