... you can talk all night.
That's in our garden. But I do have a sunrise photograph too. Overcast. A bit dim...
But still nice to be out and running at 6 in the morning. The photo was taken at 6:08.
April 23, 2020
At the Fritillaria Café...
... you can talk all night.
That's in our garden. But I do have a sunrise photograph too. Overcast. A bit dim...
But still nice to be out and running at 6 in the morning. The photo was taken at 6:08.
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1 – 200 of 341 Newer› Newest»An estimated 14-25 percent of New Yorkers are positive for antibodies.
So that means they were infected and recovered.
But those numbers would reflect who was infected a couple of weeks ago.
IOW the numbers right now are probably higher than even those tests reveal.
Nice ones. Today was a gorgeous day. Mid 50's, sunny, light to no breeze. Went for a long walk, peaceful and refreshing. Visited an old cemetery (1700's) nearby. The writing on the stones is well worn and hard to read. Sitting there was remarkably comforting.
Meanwhile, the natives are increasingly restless. I live in the Northeast, hotspot nationally for the virus. Cases are up but so is testing. Deaths are down from yesterday. Have we peaked? Let's hope so.
So, at the task force briefing, William N. Bryan, acting undersecretary for science and technology at DHS reported that, in the words of the Washington Post, "experiments, carried out by the Homeland Security Department’s Science and Technology Directorate at the Army’s high biosecurity lab at Ft. Detrick, Md., largely match other laboratory studies conducted elsewhere showing that the novel coronavirus, like many other viruses, does not survive as long on certain surfaces when exposed to high ultraviolet light and warm and humid conditions. The laboratory results show that increases in temperature, humidity and sunlight can all speed up how fast the virus is destroyed, based on measurements of its half-life when exposed to these elements."
Of course, when President Trump subsequently said the same thing as the WP story, expressing some hope in the results, saying that maybe this works, maybe it doesn't, he was roundly criticized.
Let's BK hospitals to protect health care.
https://www.wpri.com/business-news/ri-hospital-owner-lifespan-lost-76-million-in-march-no-salary-for-ceo/
Achilles should like these first few comments.
Some day he can take a victory lap.
Preprint study out of China. Basically, the place you have the lowest risk of becoming infected is outdoors, which is probably not surprising.
“Results: Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk.”
I'm sick of this shit. Let's laugh and dance.
It's been 30 Dayz Stuck at Home!
I know I'm violating here the early hours safe shopping window for seniors.
O stern mathematics, I have not forgotten you since your learned teachings, sweeter than honey, filtered through my heart like a refreshing wave. From the cradle I instinctively aspired to drink from your spring more ancient than the sun, and, most faithful of your initiates, still I continue to tread the sacred court of your grave temple. There was a haze in my spirit, something indefinable, smoky-thick, but I knew how to cross, religiously, the steps that lead to your altar, and as wind drives off the fritillary, so you have cleared this dim mist. In its place you set excessive coolness, a consummate prudence, and an implacable logic. With the aid of your strengthening milk my intellect developed rapidly and acquired immense proportions amid the entrancing clarity that you prodigally present to those you love you with a sincere love.
Lautreamont
Birkel: Have we flattened the curve so much, and put off non-essential hospitalizations, that we've put the healthcare delivery system at risk?
Good days to be selling stock. Netflix will never be this high again. For one.
The Ft. Detrick tests showed that the half-life of the virus after exposure to summer-like sunlight is about two minutes, both on surfaces and in the air.
What's really upsetting about the whole pandemic social distancing is that when you're out in public people look at you sideways like you have the plague.
The testing is in early stages, but might be good news.
Of course, the AH reporters at the briefing responded with disgust and outrage.
Masks may not make much of a difference after all. N95s not tested.
“Neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS–CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients. Prior evidence that surgical masks effectively filtered influenza virus (1) informed recommendations that patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 should wear face masks to prevent transmission (2). However, the size and concentrations of SARS–CoV-2 in aerosols generated during coughing are unknown. Oberg and Brousseau (3) demonstrated that surgical masks did not exhibit adequate filter performance against aerosols measuring 0.9, 2.0, and 3.1 μm in diameter. Lee and colleagues (4) showed that particles 0.04 to 0.2 μm can penetrate surgical masks. The size of the SARS–CoV particle from the 2002–2004 outbreak was estimated as 0.08 to 0.14 μm (5); assuming that SARS-CoV-2 has a similar size, surgical masks are unlikely to effectively filter this virus.”
stevew,
Indeed the government lockdown policies have done just that. I have been saying so for weeks. Probably more than the 30 days Shouting Thomas mentions.
I hate having foresight.
Covid Toes, another weird manifestation of Covid, seen in kids and teens.
No hope allowed Kyjo. It must be suppressed.
“The Ft. Detrick tests showed that the half-life of the virus after exposure to summer-like sunlight is about two minutes, both on surfaces and in the air.”
Maybe they can find a way of injecting UV light inside the body, or may some disinfectant! Think? Trump sure sounded excited about it today.
No hope allowed Kyjo. It must be suppressed.
Or mocked.
Curious that Dems want vote by mail everywhere, but they resist proxy/mail-in voting in the actual US House of Representatives. No absentee ballots for them! Why would they resist making sure every rep gets a vote whether they are in the House or not? Could it be they know there’s too much risk of cheating? WTH?
Alexandria Donkey-Chompers: After We Put the Economy on Life Support With a Government-Imposed Shutdown, We Should Then Kill It With a General Strike/Refusal to Work
—Ace
There are UV-light disinfecting machines in many hospitals. They help kill MERSA.
And packages can be irradiated by FedEx, Amazon, and UPS. They are in use in industrial settings.
Quit being a Royal ass.
@Mark, we wouldn’t want people thinking their government is overreacting. If we did that, people might underreact, justifying even more overreaction to save us all!
The presentation by the DHS secretary was fascinating and the charts pretty much showed that direct sunlight, and heat and humidity kill the virus very quickly. A reporter asked why New Orleans had so many cases, ignoring the fact that New Orleans is full of people who like to party, had the Mardi Gras in Feb, and doesn't get particularity hot in Feb and march.
Trump joked that he may move out of the Oval Office and into the Rose Garden. No doubt this will be presented as a serious POTUS statement.
This may account for the low number of cases in Hawaii (along with the quarantine of visitors). Lots of sun, lots of heat/humidity, lots of open areas without A/C. They'll do fine if the keep the tourists out.
As I noted last night, many folks here in Oaktown are eschewing social distancing. The only folks wearing masks are middle-class whites, mostly women. Not surprisingly, the most strident "Keep Your Distance!" screamers are white women. The Karens are out patrolling some neighborhoods, threatening to call the sheriff on those who don't submit to their demands.
It was 75 degrees and sunny yesterday and today. The weekend should be the same. I plan to be out and about in the beautiful weather--sans mask. Screw the Karens.
oh... the Althouse Cafe...
...so this is where all you pendants hang?
gonna discuss the Flu Manchu? Reminisce about cartoons?
Like this?
Yikes did they do the donald sutherland scream from body snatchers
its astounding how we've locked down the whole USA, even the deaths have been concentrated in a few areas. NY-NJ-Conn account for 50% of deaths. Throw in Michigan (Detroit), LA (N.O.), Pennsylvania (Philly), Illinois (Chicago), Calf (LA/SF), and you've accounted for almost 70% of the deaths.
We need to start reopening soon.
How about that nfl draft snorfle.
The more interesting aspect is the sunlight/humidity/heat effect on the virus in the air.
IngaChucketal,
Loved the cartoon. I'm with the duck. Although one might think, since both of them are the prey animals in the toons, that they might advocate for at least the Fudd family remaining in lockdown.
The data by the DHS undersecretary shows that Baseball games should be good to go. Same with PGA golf. Not so sure about Tennis.
You kind of feel sorry for daffy, somewhat.
There are many things to like about the Daily Mail, but their propensity for creating new words is my favorite. In this instance, vaniest. They use it twice, so it must be in their spell checker, assuming they have one. This assumption is not entirely justified by typical results. They clearly gave up on copy editors some time ago.
Just to piggy back on "marks" comment the half life of the virus in 75 degree 20 humidity is 18 hours. Increase the humidity up to 80% and the half-life declines to 6 hours. and 2/3 thirds reduction. Add sunlight and its measured in minutes.
Inga: "Maybe they can find a way of injecting UV light inside the body, or may some disinfectant! Think? Trump sure sounded excited about it today."
Inga, supposedly a nurse, now pretending it has not been long established that solar UV radiation kills viruses.
Its astonishing what a lying hack she can be, even when one factors in the years of debunked lies and hoaxes and conspiracies she has pushed at Althouse blog.
Here's one of about a thousand links you can find to research over the decades demonstrating the obvious that Inga is now denying so she can try to "own" OrangeManBad:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280232/
"Sunlight or, more specifically, solar UV radiation (UV) acts as the principal natural virucide in the environment."
I suspect, now that Trump has spoken certain words, about 5 decades worth of research will now have to be "wiped" in order to keep Trump from being correct.
You know, "wiped". As in precisely what Christopher Steele now claims happened to THE ENTIRETY of all his records and notes and back up data which "document" what his russian sources gave him to create the hoax dossier.
Whoops!! Isn't that amazing?
The CV is an interesting situation, like some people who comment here. Some, seem to leave her and post 24/7/365. I guess its their hobby. Or their life.
All viruses have preferred environments.
All of them.
There are zero viruses that perform equally regardless of environment.
It was always obvious that heat/cold, dry/wet, or whatever would affect viral performance.
Cancel all the things because we know nothing!!
/sarc
“There are UV-light disinfecting machines in many hospitals. They help kill MERSA.”
Maybe the “UV light disinfecting machines” can help with Covid toes. I sort of doubt that it’ll help with all the other manifestations of Covid. And it’s MRSA not MERSA. MRSA is an infection that is occurs on the skin, not internal organs.
Im almost at 12500 words with my novella, its not as easy as it sounds.
Are we sure UV radiation is safe? From what I understand, it causes sunburns and skin cancer!
n more horrific news for ARM, the EU is reviewing, in order to revise, their strategic relationships with ARM's Beloved and Heroic People's Republic of China ChiCom leaders:
"Why Europe Is Getting Tough on China"
"As a result, an effective coalition to manage China’s rise can no longer center on Asian security partnerships alone but must now include the world’s principal concentrations of economic power, technological progress, and liberal democratic values. Among these are many of the United States’ partners in the Indo-Pacific, such as Australia, India, and Japan. But the European Union and its major member states are also becoming increasingly critical U.S. counterparts in dealing with China."
Trump's leadership has brought the Europeans aboard to confront Joe Biden's very good friends and financial benefactors in Beijing.
ChiCom's and ARM hardest hit.
Again.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2019-04-03/why-europe-getting-tough-china
@Anne I A
a good duck'll do that!
How ironic. The anti-panickers are panicking.
The masks prevent droplet transmissions, which is how most civilians get the plague. Also it is how covid 19 is deposited on surfaces. The only real threat from aerosol transmission is in the hospital setting from equipment and procedures. Aerosols are not generated by coughing or sneezing or talking.
nga said...
Maybe they can find a way of injecting UV light inside the body, or may some disinfectant! Think? Trump sure sounded excited about it today.
Had not seen this. Probably the labradoodle breeder's idea.
A gift for Inga
UV radiation is dangerous especially in industrial strength and extra especially UVC.
30 Dayz Stuck at Home
30 Days In The Hole
Surfing Is NOT a Crime!
Reposted, with apologies to our hostess.
What, no cafe?
Anyway:
As the pro-sanity faction has been saying all along . . .
In case you are reluctant, here’s the gist of expert opinion:
Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.
Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.
Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.
Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.
Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.
Just to piggy back on "marks" comment
No. I'm the one without the quotation marks.
“There are zero viruses that perform equally regardless of environment.
It was always obvious that heat/cold, dry/wet, or whatever would affect viral performance.”
The environment is the human body. Not the atmosphere, not the air, not surfaces. While they may be a way the virus is spread, the virus cannot survive outside a body. Fever can help kill the virus inside the body. Sunlight cannot get inside the human body. Disinfectant cannot get inside the human body without killing it.
@Howard, while not unreasonable assumptions, those are not established science with respect to reducing SARS-2 transmission. Perhaps even cloth masks are better than nothing, but there’s a threshold after which better than nothing can become counterproductive on a community-wide scale. Think “false sense of security.”
“Of note, we found greater contamination on the outer than the inner mask surfaces. Although it is possible that virus particles may cross from the inner to the outer surface because of the physical pressure of swabbing, we swabbed the outer surface before the inner surface. The consistent finding of virus on the outer mask surface is unlikely to have been caused by experimental error or artifact. The mask's aerodynamic features may explain this finding. A turbulent jet due to air leakage around the mask edge could contaminate the outer surface. Alternatively, the small aerosols of SARS–CoV-2 generated during a high-velocity cough might penetrate the masks. However, this hypothesis may only be valid if the coughing patients did not exhale any large-sized particles, which would be expected to be deposited on the inner surface despite high velocity.”
I had a feeling when I arose early this morning that Ann’s first post would be about Trump and Kemp and I was right. I think Kemp is being unfairly attacked by Trump and the media. Other states are also moving toward some limited re-opening in the next few weeks.
I saw yesterday a comment on FB from a beautician about the requirements for hairdressers to re-open. They are pretty strict. Penalties for failure to follow the guidelines could result in loss of licenses.
Kemp released requirements for restaurants this afternoon. I don’t see how this is any different than what any other state would do. Listed below for your perusal
Restaurants can resume providing dine-in services under the following conditions (among others):
No more than 10 patrons per 500 square feet are allowed inside at once.
All employees are required to wear masks at all times.
Employers must screen and evaluate workers who exhibit signs of illness, such as a fever over 100.4 degrees and a cough or shortness of breath.
Restaurants must post signs that say no one with symptoms of COVID_19 can enter.
Party size is limited to no more than 6 per table.
Salad bars and buffets are no longer allowed.
Restaurants must use pre-rolled silverware.
Items must be removed from self-service drink, condiment, utensil and tableware stations and have workers provide those items to patrons.
Patrons must be kept separated while waiting to be seated through floor markings or waiting in cars.
Workers who show signs of illness can’t come in to work. Employees who have COVID-19 must self-isolate for 7 days and be fever-free and symptom-free for 3 days before coming back to work.
Employers must train employees on the importance of frequent handwashing, use of hand sanitizers and avoiding touching their faces.
Playgrounds must stay closed.
"I'm not like most people; I can't stand pain, it hurts me."
Inga: "The environment is the human body. Not the atmosphere, not the air, not surfaces."
Wow.
Save this one.
Inga now claiming there is no such thing as surface transmission of viruses.
Unbelievable. But its Inga, so maybe its all too believable.
Here’s Where the States Fall on the COVID-19 Curve (Spoiler: All Are at or Beyond Their Peaks)
Lots of stuff to talk about. For instance Chris ("Fredo") Cuomo seems to have passed his COVID-19 infection on to his wife and now his son. Ah, Chris, let me fill you in on a secret. That damned virus doesn't know about your big time contract with CNN; it thinks you and your family are just ordinary members of h. sapiens, like anyone else. Go figure.
Speaking of Cuomo family members, I am still stunned by Andrew's petulant remark to a tame reporter who asked about protestors complaining that they want to get back to work.
"You want to go to work?" the governor responded. "Go take a job as an essential worker. Do it tomorrow."
This is what passes for a savvy politician in the Democrat party. Talk about a political tin ear! Wow. Just, wow.
Another Democrat politician has been in the news. Vernon Jones (D - Georgia) was fed up with his party's treatment of African-Americans. Discussing the Democrats' party platform, Jones said "When you look at the platform, there is nothing specifically in there to help African Americans. Yes, there’s something for illegal immigrants. Yes, there’s something for the LGBTQ community. But there is nothing there for the African American community.” He went on to say "Turn out the lights, I have left the plantation." Jones received intense pressure to resign, and announced that he would do so. Well, his constituents disagreed with his resigning, and told him so, and today he announced that he's not going to resign after all. On Twitter he wrote:
"Yesterday, I announced my intentions to resign from my office. But shortly thereafter, the outpour of support I received was too great for me to ignore. I will not allow the Democrats to bully me into submission. I will not let them win. I will NOT resign." He closed out his tweet with "#MAGA"
I don't imagine that Vernon Jones have a lot of points of philosophical agreement, but it's good to see someone who cares more about his country and his constituents than his party. Pity there aren't more like him among the Democrats.
I knew Phillip Rucker (Washington Post) was an ass in print. He's even more of an insufferable ass in asking questions at the briefing.
generally not a redfor fan bit this scene wity randy newmand score
Reposted for the benefit of Inga (the supposed nurse):
Here's one of about a thousand links you can find to research over the decades demonstrating the obvious that Inga is now denying so she can try to "own" OrangeManBad:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280232/
"Sunlight or, more specifically, solar UV radiation (UV) acts as the principal natural virucide in the environment."
Where I am things are definitely getting better. Admissions to the local hospitals are falling and a lot of non-essential businesses are back up and running. Not everyone, but a lot of the smaller ones have developed workarounds.
Mark: "I knew Phillip Rucker (Washington Post) was an ass in print. He's even more of an insufferable ass in asking questions at the briefing."
Someone on twitter dug up the hilarious moment from 2012 when Rucker screamed like a little girl at a far away Mitt Romney: "What about your gaffe?!!!"
Really. Inga now claiming viruses cannot be transmitted human to human via surfaces is going to live forever.
VitaminD is called the sunshine vitamin because the human body has adapted to make Vit D out of sunlight.
“During exposure to sunlight 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin absorbs UV B radiation and is converted to previtamin D3 which in turn isomerizes into vitamin D3.”
Vit D helps with the IMMUNE system, so if you want, go get some sunshine to help fight Covid, take Vit.D, which people who live in northern climates should be doing anyway.
“Really. Inga now claiming viruses cannot be transmitted human to human via surfaces is going to live forever.”
Where did I say any such thing?
Drago,
Raise your bar. Snatching up all the low-hanging fruit is beneath you.
Give me a minute. I'll come up with something asinine you can snark at.
Yeah the Drago you're more likely to get infected from the bug indoors close quarters confined spaces. Not anywhere you'd expect to have a lot of natural ultraviolet radiation from our sun.
But please feel free to go ahead and lick the sidewalk, that surface gets plenty of sun so you'll be safe
Inga: "Where did I say any such thing?"
Right here in this very thread:
Inga: "The environment is the human body. Not the atmosphere, not the air, not surfaces."
I though waxing a little inspirational would good capisce.
The ultraviolet radiation disinfection effect is enhanced by nanoparticles of titanium dioxide. I remember reading a few years ago about how some buildings are painted with this and they basically clean themselves
“Inga: "The environment is the human body. Not the atmosphere, not the air, not surfaces."
Wow.
Save this one.
Inga now claiming there is no such thing as surface transmission of viruses.
Unbelievable. But its Inga, so maybe its all too believable.“
Are you seriously this stupid? The environment for a virus is a body. A virus cannot survive forever on surfaces. A virus needs a live cell to attach to, to multiply, to survive.
I agree that surfing should not be a crime, but some surfers are criminals...
https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/the-most-feared-surf-gangs-in-the-world
Howard: "Yeah the Drago you're more likely to get infected from the bug indoors close quarters confined spaces."
Thanks for the info Dr Howard.
Now, maybe spend some time with Inga to help her come to grips with solar radiation on viruses.
She apparently needs the assistance.
Damn. I guess it's too late to suggest a moratorium on Covid-19 arguments.
this isnt the way though
Inga: "Are you seriously this stupid? The environment for a virus is a body. A virus cannot survive forever on surfaces. A virus needs a live cell to attach to, to multiply, to survive."
Reposted again for the supposed nurse:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280232/
"Sunlight or, more specifically, solar UV radiation (UV) acts as the principal natural virucide in the environment."
Inga now officially rejecting "science".
Madder than a...
Drago, how are you going to disinfect every surface with sunlight? Can you disinfect your kitchen countertop with sunlight, if it’s away from a window? How well do UV rays travel through glass? Viruses do not reside outside only, they reside inside buildings. You are much more likely to get infected with Covid inside a building.
The point is Drago is that natural disinfection by the sun does not eliminate any first-order route of transport of infection. So you're getting all excited over a mechanism that does little or nothing to help the problem. Just because trump touts it means that it's usually a nothingburger. That's part of his genius he just talks out of both sides of his rectum all day long and you people eat it up thinking it's chocolate ice cream
Blogger reader said...
I agree that surfing should not be a crime, but some surfers are criminals...
This was true of a fraction of surfers where I grew up. A lot of beaches where I lived, so less of a problem with localism. Some ugly scenes at times, but just young kids, so nothing very serious. Seems some never grew up.
the new "Omega Man" ??
Tom Hanks' blood will be used to develop coronavirus vaccine
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/entertainment-celebrity/tom-hanks-blood-will-be-used-to-develop-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB12Z5Lk
Had an illuminating conversation with one of my docs today--a thought leader in leukemia, working at an NCI center.
The corona panic made taking care of his critically ill patients far more difficult. These are patients diagnosed with acute lymphocytic leukemia and acute myelogenous leukemia. The kind of acuity where you go to the doctor for fatigue and unexplained bruising one day, and the next day you are in-patient, getting worked up for chemotherapy, your life blown to smithereens.
While the team agreed to prioritize the acute leuks and those going to hematapoietic stem cell transplant, their care became more difficult. The team was encouraged to work from home on days they didn't have clinic--necessarily making communication with the staff difficult. Other patients, acutely ill, but in a consolidation or maintenance phase, had treatment put off, or workarounds put in place so that treatment could occur outpatient. Some treatments that would normally be initiated inpatient were moved to outpatient, despite the risk of adverse events being greater.
Clinical trials have been stopped in many cases, because clinical site coordinators from pharma cannot come onto campus. This means that patients who have no approved treatment are not getting put into potentially life-saving trials. This will also set back research for many months, if not years. A trial for a new leukemia therapy typically lasts 2-4 years from initiation to conclusion of the study. Enrollment takes a long time because leukemia is still rare (thankfully), and not every patient meets trial criteria. A drug that may have come to market in a year now may not make it for 2 or 3--or not at all.
There is a real cost to this--in real people's lives, and the lives of those who love and care for them. Here in California, many of those lives are the lives that the panic! peddlers don't seem to think about: Hispanics, primarily; many farm workers.
But I guess it was all worth it if it saved EVEN ONE LIFE.
Inga: "Drago, how are you going to disinfect every surface with sunlight?"
I was wondering what you were going to write to try and cover for your hopelessly stupid comment above.
I guess this is the best you can come up with.
Royal ass Inga is stuck on stupid.
Somebody call General Honore.
Inga don't be ridiculous. we're going to rebuild the economy by selling every household a 10 KW uvc disinfection lamp.
Howard: "The point is Drago is that natural disinfection by the sun does not eliminate any first-order route of transport of infection."
Yeah, uh, that wasnt actually the point at all.
But Inga needed help so Howard goes White Knighting about.
Expose your bare belly to the sun. Once a day for 20 minutes. Can't hurt? Doc Picasso has spoken.
Yes, many viruses are more likely to be spread inside. For instance, influenza. And yet, every year like clockwork, influenza season comes to an end when the weather gets warm, sunny and humid. But! But! Orange Man Bad!!! The sun doesn't shine inside!!!!
Thanks, Howard.
“I was wondering what you were going to write to try and cover for your hopelessly stupid comment above.”
Drago if anyone has shown hopeless ignorance today, it’s been you and Trump.
Unexpectedly!
Hey, you know what really helps in controlling a virus?
Sending all the infected old people back to the nursing homes to spread it around....
.....as was the OFFICIAL policy directive of Gov Cuomo's regime!!
Meanwhile, keep the subways running at full tilt and make sure the cars arent cleaned regularly.
Thats the "enlightened" democrat blue state "model".
So very very clever of them.
"You are much more likely to get infected with Covid inside a building."
...typed the idiot who thought all the spring breakers were going to get infected...
We will fight it on the beaches. we will fight it on the golf courses. We will stop the surfers and close the swimming pools.
---Andrew Cuomo (dunce, NYS) and Bill DeBlasio (commie, NYC)
Inga: "Drago if anyone has shown hopeless ignorance today, it’s been you and Trump"
The science clearly says otherwise.
Reposted again for the supposed nurse:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280232/
"Sunlight or, more specifically, solar UV radiation (UV) acts as the principal natural virucide in the environment."
https://youtu.be/I7wREOySaxU?t=51
the Flu Manchu--
...It's Like MAGIC!!
(scroll up if req'd)
I guess we will have to toss decades of scientific research on viruses in the environment because Inga says its all stupid.
Oh well.
It takes that kind of a towering "intellect" to keep believing in russia collusion as well.
@Drago, to be fair, the subways haven’t been running at full tilt. They reduced service, which forced the lower numbers of essential commuters to crowd cars just as usual to get to work. It’s been brilliant. I’ll note that the Chinese study I referenced above named transport as the second most common venue for outbreaks, after homes.
I suspect we here in Florida with our heat and humidity and the understanding that life comes with risk, will be dining out at a restaurant sometime in the near future while our friends in New York will still be singing out their windows.
At least they'll get to watch Andrew Cuomo speak every day.
“Yeah, uh, that wasnt actually the point at all.”
You really have no idea how dumb you sound. The point is that Drago and dummies like Trump are touting the notion that by exposing the human body to UV light (or getting it inside the body somehow!) it will kill the Covid inside their bodies. UV light and bleach, alcohol etc. can kill viruses on surfaces, we all know that, that isn’t news. UV rays inside buildings are very limited. Disinfectants are best used OUTSIDE the body in case any dummies like Trump or Drago encourage you to drink bleach. Don’t do it.
Drago said...
Inga: "Drago, how are you going to disinfect every surface with sunlight?"
I was wondering what you were going to write to try and cover for your hopelessly stupid comment above.
I guess this is the best you can come up with.
***************
Last night Inga was bleating about the injustice done to an HHS researcher who claimed he was fired because he disagreed with Trump about hydroxyquinone.
Here's the real story:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/23/new-york-times-rick-bright-health-human-services-story-falls-apart/
Premature ejaculation is not a good look---especially for a putative cis woman.
Kyjo: "I’ll note that the Chinese study I referenced above named transport as the second most common venue for outbreaks, after homes."
Correct. So Cuomo and Mayor Little Che hit the Daily Double.
I'd bet a lot of money that the inside of your car, in summer when it gets really hot, will be safe from most viruses.
My transport will be fine.
"UV rays inside buildings are very limited."
Therefore, all the parks are closed. And the pools. And beaches. And golf courses.
Fucking motes.
Our trolls
Inga: "You really have no idea how dumb you sound. The point is that Drago and dummies like Trump are touting the notion that by exposing the human body to UV light (or getting it inside the body somehow!) it will kill the Covid inside their bodies."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a new candidate for biggest lefty lie since russia collusion.
Well played Inga! Truly a new standard.
Next up for Inga: Trump said he could see russia from his house right before he grabbed a woman by her ****-hat!!!
Too funny.
If you want a primo example of Inga in full Carter Page Is A Russian Spy! mode, well here you go.
“I'd bet a lot of money that the inside of your car, in summer when it gets really hot, will be safe from most viruses.
My transport will be fine.”
That sort of heat is not conducive to human life. I doubt you’d live long in a hot car or house. The virus will be killed, so will you.
To respond to Andy Dufresne, yes, it's deliberate.
Drago,
When did you "tout" that sunlight on (or somehow IN?) our bodies was going to banish the dread Pirate Roberts, er, I mean, the Chinese Lung Scrapie? And here I thought you were referring to the likely reduction in caseload due to warmer, sunnier, weather. And that our President was referring to the same thing--same as happens with influenza every year.
Could you please save me the trouble of looking for your evident stupidity (per the harpy's citation) and just repeat your inanity for me?
“I'd bet a lot of money that the inside of your car, in summer when it gets really hot, will be safe from most viruses.
My transport will be fine.”
That sort of heat is not conducive to human life. I doubt you’d live long in a hot car or house. The virus will be killed, so will you.
Saving that one for posterity.
What a fucking idiot.
Inga said...
Drago, how are you going to disinfect every surface with sunlight? Can you disinfect your kitchen countertop with sunlight, if it’s away from a window? How well do UV rays travel through glass? Viruses do not reside outside only, they reside inside buildings. You are much more likely to get infected with Covid inside a building.
**********
Who says "every" surface has to be disinfected with sunlight?
Outdoor air subjected to sunlight will also kill most viruses, as it does the flu. Opening your windows to let that outdoor air inside will reduce the volume of "bad" indoor ar, right?
If you are more likely to get infected with covid inside a building, then why all the orders to cringe-in-place indoors? Why are parks roped off so people can't go outside in the Spring sun to enjoy them? Why are people urged to wear masks when they go outside, but no indoors in their homes?
Criss-cross on at midnight.
Inga: "That sort of heat is not conducive to human life. I doubt you’d live long in a hot car or house. The virus will be killed, so will you."
Uh, the science says otherwise.
Sitting in a car at 85 deg F with 90% humidity will kill the virus, according to the tests, in what, 10 to 15 minutes.
The human will remain very much alive.
But thanks for playing Inga!! Johnny, what parting gift will we be giving to contestant Inga?
Birkel,
I am not sure we are dealing with sentient life. Or someone who doesn't recognize humor.
Anne: "There is a real cost to this--in real people's lives, and the lives of those who love and care for them. Here in California, many of those lives are the lives that the panic! peddlers don't seem to think about: Hispanics, primarily; many farm workers. But I guess it was all worth it if it saved EVEN ONE LIFE."
Remains to be seen if, on balance, it even did that.
Which MSMer will prominently report the first story of a middle-aged cancer patient who died as a result of The Panic of 2020?
And of course, the economic collapse has effects beyond the U.S. It is telling that American progs' Trump derangement overrides even basic concern for the lives of others. Surely some leftist somewhere could have called BS on the shutdowns as a matter of global justice. I mean, they could have asked why the whole world should suffer for our effort to extend the lives of sick old people in nursing homes by a year or two.
It's almost as if people don't believe what they profess to believe, other than hating Trump of course.
Anne-I-Am,
Inga doesn't exist. It is a construct developed by a very clever person to make Lefties look bad.
Occam's Razor.
After her run this morning, Professor Althouse noticed a dark purple mottling on her Fritall area.
Tell me Birkel, are you hoping to live in your hot car, or are you eventually going to have to go into your air conditioned home, where viruses can reside on surfaces for up to a few days. In those hours or days chances are you will touch a surface with the virus on it, then pick your nose.
Sebastien,
Second and third order consequences aren't immediately apparent, therefore, they don't exist.
Of course, the Ft. Detrick study also included heat and humidity as factors.
So what if they also help degrade the virus more quickly, and therefore help reduce the spread -- which is the whole goal of all these mitigation practices.
Sebastian,
I have been the only commenter who - for the last 6 weeks - has been worried for the lost lives in ROW. That's all those black, brown, yellow, and red people who will die to try to help old wypipo.
I assume the Lefties are racists.
It is pointless to engage in these chasing-your-tail exercises.
Inga makes a good point. All the Americans who will be forced to live in their cars after the panickers crashed the economy will avoid Death by Winnie Xi Flu.
However, they still face death by Unga Bunga.
Birkel,
Let me see. I have been in and out of my house every day for the past 120 days. Well before the first Pangolin Pox death in Santa Clara County. I have gone to the grocery, to the park (where I touch things like picnic tables), to the bank machine, to the drugstore, to the liquor store. I have been in my car, my kid's car, and several friends' cars.
I am a lousy hand-washer. That is, I don't wash my hands (or Purell them) before or after I enter my home. According to received wisdom, my surfaces must be a veritable petri dish of Chinese Lung Scrapie virus. Thus, I should have gotten or should now have the virus. Because it is EVERYWHERE, and my hot car doesn't protect me.
QED: I am dead.
Hmm. The logic chain seems to have broken somewhere.
Poor Inga.
Only now, at the end, does she realize her mistake.
Tsk tsk.
Time to try and change the subject.
Again.
How much easier it would have been to simply say yes, she made a mistake on one thing because she was thinking about something slightly different.
But nope.
She doubles and triples down on stupid, makes up fake Trump statements and gets a couple of lefty dopes to support her unsupportable claims and then tries to pretend the subject is something else entirely.
Heh. She might as well be a White House reporter.
Btw, Inga is why a Pelosi or Schiff believe they can launch hoax after hoax and have them believed.
Uncle Bill is on in some noir-ish movie with Kim Novak and Hank Kimble about robbing a casino.
Mark, these are the jokes.
You only have to be smarter than Inga to get them.
Meanwhile, the GOVERNMENT is demanding that you STAY INSIDE because it is dangerous to be out in the sunlight and fresh air.
Birkel,
Not true. I have been very vocal about the lives our betters are not thinking about. From way back when, when I noted that people (especially minorities) would be even more likely to forgo needed health care. I pointed out that I had a lesion on my right arm--and through firm insistence, got seen, and got it biopsied. I wondered how many less insistent, less confident people would not get treatment?
And I was told I don't exist, my arm doesn't exist, the lesion doesn't exist, my brother-in-law doesn't exist...etc, etc, etc, ad vomitum.
Well, the lesion is getting excised next week. Invasive squamous cell carcinoma. Not an emergency--precisely because I caught it early.
But illustrative of my point: how many of the people our betters use for menial work will suffer needlessly because of this lockdown?
“Here comes the sun
Here comes the sun
And I say, it's all right
Little darling
It's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darling
It seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun
Here comes the sun
And I say, it's all right
Little darling
The smiles returning to the faces
Little darling
It seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun
Here comes the sun
And I say, it's all right
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...”
LOL at the Trump worshipers.
So, it's on.
Tiger and Peyton
against
Phil and Tom
(cue Star Trek fight music)
Trump has a kind of Everyman reaction to the science. "Holy shit! UV light kills those fucking coronavirus germs. That's so great. Maybe things will get better over the summer." It's easy to mock, but that was about my reaction to the scientist's announcement today....I think that if and when the time comes, Trump will give up his belief in that anti-malarial drug with more grace and ease than the Dems have thus far shown in their belief that Trump is somehow a Russian puppet in collusion with Putin. That's part of their Apostle's Creed. You can't really be a Democrat unless you believe in this article of faith.
old: "Democracy Dies in Darkness!"
New: "Coronavirus Dies in Sunlight!"
...a salubrious corona...
Redskins pick up yet another effing Buckeye from THE Effing Ohio Effing State.
Another reason to delight in their inevitable suckitude.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451416791/ref=nosim/librarythin06-20
Inga, did you mitigate to this level during the previous pandemics? If not, then why not? Is China Flu somehow the most powerful killer in the history of the universe? I'll bet you never even thought twice about H1N1, MERS or SARS. Right?
Of course, they neglect AGAIN their offensive line, so that yet another of their QBs, the punk from OSU, can continue to get pounded into the ground.
Birkel: "I have been the only commenter who - for the last 6 weeks - has been worried for the lost lives in ROW."
Definitely.
So, do you think any of the alarmists will take any responsibility for the fallout?
Anyway, as in the Russia hoax, we get the opposite of what was peddled:
Panicked shutdowns intended to save health care end up hurting it.
Panicked shutdowns intended to save lives end up costing them.
The point is that Drago and dummies like Trump are touting the notion that by exposing the human body to UV light (or getting it inside the body somehow!) it will kill the Covid inside their bodies.
That is nothing but a lie.
That is not what is being claimed by anyone.
Lots of viruses don't like heat. I don't have a medical degree, but I've lived through dozens of viral epidemics. Swine epidemics. And everyone of them started when the weather got cold, and left when spring arrived. Because warmer temperatures and sunlight took out the virus.
That's why nursing homes could learn a lot from Iowa hog farmers about securing their facilities from viruses. They have been fighting this for decades, and are good at their jobs.
None of this is plowing new ground. Even President Trump was smart enough to intuitively understand.
Uh-oh. A study for the anti-Trumper's own magic bullet drug, remdesivir, is showing poor results.
See, we can all play this game.
Gresham's Law of Marks vindicated.
mark,
are you by chance a Wolverine?
Anne-I-Am,
I remember the conversation about your lesion. But I don't think you were focused on ROW. I take your point.
And the way certain ass wipes treated you was unconscionable. But that goes without saying. They are horrible people.
"No. I'm the one without the quotation marks."
Who's to say?
Strange looking at the draft list and seeing "Las Vegas Raiders."
We'll see if they get to use their newly built stadium this year.
Grew up in Ann Arbor. Went to Michigan for a while. Disliked all the New Yorkers there.
From Power Line, keeping track of the insanity of The Panic of 2020 and the absurdity of the "models":
"Here are some details I got from a friend at UNC-Chapel Hill this morning: “Less than 373 hospitalized with COVID as of yesterday. More than 800 empty ICU beds in the state & more than 7000 empty hospital beds overall. Close to 2000 ventilators not in use. Approximately 40% of deaths in the state have been in nursing homes/retirement homes/prisons.”"
Etc. etc.
the Raiders are dead to me.
So many people invested in failure.
Well that escalated quickly.
Well that escalated quickly.
Not really. I've hated Ohio State for decades.
To keep on keeping track:
"Data gathered from the health records of 5,700 patients in New York City who were hospitalized with COVID-19, revealed that 53% suffered from hypertension, 42 % were obese and 32% had diabetes."
Who knew? I mean, other than anyone who paid attention to the actual patient profiles of, say, everyone with "co-morbidities" in Italy?
So, are prog governors gonna keep the shutdowns going until we get rid of obesity?
bitter clingers
I can’t take any credit for this one:
Land O’Lakes removed the Indian on their butter packages, but kept the land. Some things never change.
Mark,
LOL. The only reason I have a slight soft spot for OSU is that I had a friend who was a huge Buckeye fan, although he did not attend Ohio State. He got called back to active duty when the Iraq War started and out of duty, he went into the theater. He was killed by a roadside IED. Left behind three children all under the age of 14.
Because he had been such a Buckeye fan, OSU had a tribute to him at halftime during a football game, and scattered some of his ashes on the field. The famous marching band played. It was really moving.
Will Brad Paisley be Peyton Manning's caddie?
Farmer: "I'd say that was an impressively prescient set of ideas."
I agree.
Kyjo,
Bwahahahaha. Nobody said white people are dummies. What good was the old broad, anyway?
It's on.
Tom Brady's talking --
https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1253406548770066435
J Farmer.
I agree. I will have to pick up that book.
The overarching problem to solve: centralization of authority in the federal government.
The reasons are many and they will be unwound by democratic processes or calamity.
@Sebastian:
I agree.
Nice to share a moment of agreement ;)
Near 90% Mortality Rate in Intubated COVID-19 Patients in NYC
But there was a CONSENSUS!
Oops! ...probably, like, with a cloth--
...now Christopher Steele's emails "got wiped".
KenB: Or is it Thier's Law that has been vindicated?
It is a good list.
But the overarching problem is centralization. The federal government should be returned to its core functions. Certainly border enforcement is imperative.
"Nice to share a moment of agreement ;)"
Indeed.
Clark
Ahhhh. Nice.
I had to google that!
The overarching problem to solve: centralization of authority in the federal government.
Yes, that has been an underlying tension in America going back to the federalits versus the anti-federalists. It seemed to be decisively destroyed by the Civil War, but simmering resentments and tensions have lingered ever since.
One of my more heterodox opinions is that the United States should be broken up into smaller regional countries. These regional states would be much more reflective and responsive to the needs and values of their constituents. Unfortunately, I see very little possibility that this will occur either voluntarily or as the result of conflict.
Ah crap. Inga and Drago are flirting again.
Well, heroes get a pass on some things. May God bless and comfort his family always. (I'm confident he's already in His embrace.)
Anne-I-Am: "the Raiders are dead to me."
It no longer matters to them.
They will have as many fans as they like each week as they draw from the tens of thousands hanging out in Vegas.
Inga has been reduced to posting song lyrics.....cuz its less painful than the science she rejects.
"the Raiders are dead to me."
Amen. I hope the city of Oakland never spends another dime to lure them back, but it probably will.
On-on!
Christopher Steele told a British court last month that he no longer has key documents related to his infamous dossier.
Oh, totally believable.
The federal government should be returned to its core functions. Certainly border enforcement is imperative.
Border enforcement, defense, and maintaining the currency make sense for a federal union. But one of my pet peeves is when people talk about the intention of the "founding fathers." One of those intentions was an amendment process, and it's been used many times, and that has fundamentally changed the relationship between the federal government and the states. And the constitution's most glaring error is that it did not address secession. Always be wary of joining a union you can't get out of.
When there was a government shutdown last year, and many families who depended on the paycheck that the only person in the family had - I am talking about families that were not rich, families that relied on the only person in the family with a job, which was at that time a government job - well during the government shutdown last year, I had some very bad nights arguing on this website with very selfish people who mocked every government worker who was out of a job.
I was stunned, stunned to realize that there were people who were mocking people who were out of work, simply because they thought it was cool to be "anti-gummint". I told them they were wrong to feel contempt for the government workers who were not getting a paycheck, they repaid my good advice with spite and hatred and vicious mockery.
I hope that all those fools of yesteryear are now on the side of the angels. The government has no inherent right to tell people their jobs are not essential. Of course those jobs are essential to the family that will go without food and shelter if nobody can work. But that is what the government has been doing, without explanation.
The alarmists' and government officials' plan to determine when to end the shutdown and leave our homes:
https://youtu.be/405IKLIMvJo?t=119
Woody Hayes was one of those guys who was great in wartime and when the war was over .... not so much.
Interesting:
Ultraviolet blood irradiation
"Ultraviolet blood irradiation (UBI) was extensively used in the 1940s and 1950s to treat many diseases including septicemia, pneumonia, tuberculosis, arthritis, asthma and even poliomyelitis. The early studies were carried out by several physicians in USA and published in the American Journal of Surgery. However with the development of antibiotics, the use of UBI declined and it has now been called “the cure that time forgot”."
Internal UV Treatment Administered Via Endoscopy
"Thus there is a need and opportunity to address these more severe bacterial and viral infections that occur within a body.
BRIEF SUMMARY
The approach we propose to address this issue is the use of a flexible and small diameter tube that would insert one or more optical fibers into upper or lower gastrointestinal tract, some hollow organs, such as the lungs, or bladder, or some of the structures leading to hollow organs of a body, such trachea, esophagus, throat, and urethra."
"Steele also told the court that his communications regarding the dossier, including with Fusion GPS, were “wiped” in December 2016 and January 2017, the transcript shows."
December 2016???
JaimeRoberto: "Amen. I hope the city of Oakland never spends another dime to lure them back, but it probably will."
It won't matter.
This time its different. The Raiders have a brand spanking new massive stadium in the desert, right across from the southern strip and Marc Davis, he of the amazingly horrific haircut, loves it there.
I'm afraid the Raiders will forever be the Vegas kids.
I have a basic rule about the GOP (inc. Trump) and immigration: always expect a sell out.
Michelle Malkin: Piercing the Illusion of Trump's 'Immigration Ban'
stephen cooper: "I had some very bad nights arguing on this website with very selfish people who mocked every government worker who was out of a job."
Bull.
Not a single government worker was "out of a job". They had a few weeks of paid vacation with back pay coming to them over a period of time that everyone knew was only going to last weeks.
That is what everyone was talking about.
I know lots of government workers. Most of them took the time off to go someplace fun and/or visit family. Everyone of them knew the money was on the way.
And if you recall, the media painted that as the most horrific possible thing that could ever happen to an employee.
Now?
The media is literally desperate to keep the economy shut down thru the fall and have half the country go insolvent.
Gee, its like these are completely different things with the government "shutdown" of yesterday an absolute walk in the park by comparison.
JaimeRoberto,
R U?
Interesting to see some of the hounds who have turned into Karens.
Mountain Man, that sounds like a terrific, relaxing night out.
No thanks
So when is our long national nightmare over? When can we stop this bullshit with masks and wrapped silverware and blah blah as though it makes a difference?
Hot tip: 75 year olds in nursing homes did not get covid from the waitress or the fork at Ruby Tuesday's. And those participating in public life who did get it do not number enough to justify these drastic, forced, and unlimited changes in business and culture. Those who claim they do should probably get started giving a shit about the 88,000 people a year who die from alcohol related causes.
Tide is reportedly teaming up with Clorox.
One nice sorting function for my life: I'm abandoning anyone who is a Karen on this. If you're just a panicker, a danger-masturbator, a drama addict, someone who can't see how absurd this is or has no sense of perspective and no skepticism, I have no respect for you and won't go out of my way to be your friend. I have a number of friends who have been like this, whom I thought were sensible, and I have hidden them on social media and I will not seek out their company. I'll be nice if they seek me out and I'll always help anyone if asked, but those people: I wish them the best but will put my relationship-tending energy elsewhere from now on. It clears out some space for other things. The most precious thing we all have is our attention and I'm not paying any attention to such people from now on. They have been demoted as a class to NPCs in my life.
To keep on keeping track:
"The coronavirus crisis has now become a financial crisis for local hospitals, with expenses surging at the same time revenue is getting crushed as patients are forced to put off elective surgeries and other care.
Lifespan, Rhode Island’s largest hospital group, disclosed Wednesday morning that it suffered an operating loss of $33 million just in the month of March — roughly $10 million more than the not-for-profit corporation’s operations had lost during the entire 12 months of the previous fiscal year."
Clearly, we had to destroy health care to save it.
Drago --- you are lying, or you are saying something that is not true without knowing it.
Grow up, you ignorant little child, and never lie to me again.
And I was not comparing the two scenarios, you imbecile, I was drawing a comparison.
The amendments have very little to do with the problems I would describe. The Court decided the government could regulate all commerce, effectively. The Court established rights that do not exist. That is harder to undo than amendments.
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