"At the end of the session, each child received a blue zippered bag containing two doses of Narcan to take home.... In the past three years, the county’s drug prevention coalition has given Narcan training to an estimated 600 young children and teenagers in after-school programs, babysitting classes and vaping cessation courses.... At least 100 young people have returned for additional doses... typically after going through their personal supply.... 'Drugs are bad things that could kill you,' [said a 7-year-old boy]. 'Now I know how to use it. I feel good because I like helping people in danger.'"
From "'Open, Insert, Squirt.'/In This Town, Children Are Taught to Administer Narcan/In rural Carter County, Tenn., health officials have embraced a strategy for stemming addiction: Teaching children as young as 6 how to reverse an overdose" (NYT).
February 23, 2020
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How does reversing the overdose stem the addiction? You still got a live addict
Ban Narcan. Let nature takes its course.
"In Carter County, where 56,000 people live in a cluster of small cities and rural towns on the North Carolina border, nearly 60 people have died from opioid overdoses since 2014."
1 person per 4,660 each year. That's not an epidemiological emergency, it's a moral panic.
Ban Narcan. Let nature takes its course.
I say free-market Narcan and let nature takes it's course.
It's dysgenic to actively try to keep junkies alive, and passively eugenic to let them die if they can't adapt to the modern world and its new chemicals.
Children acting in loco parentis. What could possibly go wrong?
@fernandistein - nowhere does the article refer to "epidemiological emergency", you are making a straw-person argument.
Finding philosophical / moral problems with a small town's effort to save lives is a cold and ugly form of elitism.
It's not that different from learning to use an EpiPen because a family member has an allergy.
Thank you Class of ‘68 for creating the drug culture. More thanks to Mayor Pete; a child of two from the Class of ‘68. Pete wants to decriminalize ALL drugs.
I guess Pete never saw “Old Country for Old Men” where the Texas Sheriff (Tommy Lee Jones) said, “If Satan was sittin’ around thinking of how to bring mankind to its knees, he’d come up with narcotics.”
And make no mistake about, the Left’s support of open borders helps the drug cartels and hurts America. One more reason not to vote for Democrats.
The NYT likely created this article to show contempt for flyover people. Maybe they should address the drug problems in the largest cities.
We've come so far since the 60s.
We be doomed.
Teaching children to save their parents is a sad statement about where these communities have come, but good for those kids for being ready, willing, and able.
Now pass around hot shots.
To make the kids useful.
Widespread availability of Narcan makes the decision to use drugs less costly to a drug abuser. Simple economics tells you that this will lead to more drug use, not less, as you've lowered the real cost of doing drugs.
@fernandistein - nowhere does the article refer to "epidemiological emergency", you are making a straw-person argument.
No, it's not a straw man argument: the NYet article called it an "ongoing opioid epidemic". The CDC calls it a "deadly epidemic" and a "crisis" on their 'emergency' website.
I used my own phrase which means the same thing, hence the lack of quotes.
Finding philosophical / moral problems with a small town's effort to save lives is a cold and ugly form of elitism.
I live in a hick town in a county with less than half the population of the article's county. If this town had one person OD per year, which would be about the same rate as the county in the article, I just couldn't get worked up about it.
‘Now, Beatrice, listen carefully. If Mommy gets a hot dose and starts convulsing then you just squirt this in my mouth, okay?’
Welcome to Trump's America. Trump Country.
Nine posts by Ann this AM with the first one before 4 AM.
Put me on the side of those who think it’s a good idea, though probably an even better idea for New York City itself.
“Welcome to Trump's America. Trump Country.”
Yes, rural Tennessee.
It’s much better than giving the kids active shooter drills — at least it promotes individual agency and the ability to remain calm in crisis instead of anxiety over something that has a near-zero chance of happening to them.
It’s much better than giving the kids active shooter drills — at least it promotes individual agency and the ability to remain calm in crisis instead of anxiety over something that has a near-zero chance of happening to them.
Libtard do gooderisms to save deplorables from themselves
I'm surprised that children still know what squirt guns are.
Watch bob the street cat
Stemming addiction?? How about teaching people how to safely use drugs?
Here in D.C. and Maryland, there are bills to establish what are essentially opium dens run by the state.
Boys will be boys, Phidippus. You should have seen my grandsons going crazy over the latest airsoft rifles and r/c planes and 4wd trucks. Their parents are coastal elite liberals. This morning they're up at dawn to watch the great escape... favorite scene McQueen on the motorcycle.
I prefer the Chinese solution. You fight the war on drugs by executing the drug dealers. In large numbers. Maybe there’s a consulting service available.
Teaching children to use something that is explicitly described as functioning like a GUN????
REEEEEEEEeeeeEEEEEEeeEEEEE!!!1!!
Hey, I've got a great idea, lets make marijuana legal to smoke, and buy freely in state run stores.
At least 100 young people have returned for additional doses... typically after going through their personal supply.... 'Drugs are bad things that could kill you,' [said a 7-year-old boy]. 'Now I know how to use it. I feel good because I like helping people in danger.'"
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Youthful paramedic and future medical professional is how I take this
Also NYTimes looking past Hudson River.
Howard-- Good for you. And the kids!
We all "played guns" when I was little. I even had a wind-up submachine gun thing that took roll caps. Full automatic assault toy, that. It wasn't orange, either.
Tom T. said...
It's not that different from learning to use an EpiPen because a family member has an allergy.
Yes, Yes it IS
of course, Gov'ner Newsom in Cali says that "dr's should be able to write prescriptions for housing.
In Cali, i ASSUME they're writing prescriptions for heroin, too?
I mean, Tom T says that drug addiction is "not that different" from "an Allergy"
When did an overdose, and death become a bad thing??
I hope they have 9mm squirt guns.
Welcome to Trump's America. Trump Country.
The reported OD death rate for that county is only 42% higher than the national average.
How about teaching people how to safely use drugs?
That's prohibited by the "moral panic" aspect of the WOD, which is probably best expressed by self-righteous mass murder, e.g. "You fight the war on drugs by executing the drug dealers. In large numbers", or failing that, mass incarceration.
Neither works, of course, but those tough Warriors have some fun in the meantime, dressing up like Nazis to kick down doors and lock people in cages.
That's so sad that little kids are expected to take on that responsibility. It's kind of like the stories I hear from some of my adult patients about how their alcoholic parent would make them drive them to the bar and pick them up later.
Also, there are stories about people who use the Narcan to push the limits of their opioid use, figuring they can be pulled back from the brink. No statistics on how common that is, but definitely hear about it a lot.
"...vaping cessation courses"
What a crock. Why not nicotine patch cessation courses? Or, cheeseburger cessation courses?
The science paper recently published in some grand pooba fake science medical journal that started this whole vaping scare has been withdrawn. Turns out it was all hogwash.
My son is a paramedic. Narcan brings them back.....FAST. Sometimes the junkies are upset because you ruined their buzz.
"Finding philosophical / moral problems with a small town's effort to save lives is a cold and ugly form of elitism."
Although I agree it's ugly, elitism, as used here by you, is the only thing that got us out of the caves.
So it's you, Sir, that is uglier than what we both agree is ugly.
More ugly than the universally considered ugly is what you are. You support tearing limbs and heads off of soon-to-be babies, and yet you think you have some sort of stature to call other's actions ugly.
You will find Hell uglier than even you, Sir.
Today’s Dem party is one of bread, circuses and drugs.
How many American lives would be saved if China is right about drugs and Americans acknowledge and implement policies to reflect that fact?
But no grift opportunities for peacelovewoodstock, and grift is all he/she has garnered. Progs think thinking of new ways to cheat/lie/steal is the epitome of existence. We are done saving you from your proggie damnation prog.
President Toilet Paper Shoe's Cooked-Up Drug Deal said...
Welcome to Trump's America. Trump Country.
They hand out free needles in Seattle.
They have designated areas where police cannot arrest people for using drugs.
Discussions of drugs and the drug war consistently unmask the closet socialists, who want the government to step in and do something about other peoples' private lives and consensual business transactions.
[vaping scare] was all hogwash.
It was almost all hogwash; some people who vaped "illicit" marijuana products, where pot is illegal, actually got lung damage and died, essentially they were causalities of the drug war.
Inga said...
“Welcome to Trump's America. Trump Country.”
Yes, rural Tennessee.
Number of times Inga has called downtown Seattle or Portland or San Franciso Obama country?
I am sure it is zero.
Inga has zero self awareness though and is just kinda stupid.
"... but good for those kids for being ready, willing, and able."
This should be an embarrassing statement for you to make, upon reflection.
You wanna see some photos of 6 year olds ready, willing, and able to mine minerals so Elon Musk can keep getting billions of dollars subsidized by American taxpayers?
Absolutely grotesque. Hopefully a couple of those kids internalize the meaning of the insanity they’re being asked to play a part in, and then grow up resolved to do something about it.
And, yes, this one can be laid right at the Class of ‘68’s door. What miserable fucking failures they are that anyone would even think to ask this of children. And, gee, if I have to rescue Mommy from ODing, then society is cool with her continuing to be my Mommy? Fucking insane.
And how do you spend a dime on “vaping cessation” when this shit is going on? Utterly unserious clowns.
Inga has zero self awareness though and is just kinda stupid.
Inga and Ritmo are losers who need to feel superior to someone so they pick on rural "deplorables."
It's not an original thought. It is in the DNC playbook.
Discussions of drugs and the drug war consistently unmask the closet socialists, who want the government to step in and do something about other peoples' private lives and consensual business transactions.
True dat.
I don't understand why so many folks beleive jailing/killing everybody who has/uses/sells a substance is the best way to deal with the issues some people have with using drugs&alcohol. It didn't work before, it ain't working now, so why do they think it will work ever?
We already imprison more citizens per-capita than any other country in the world - how many more Americans do you think need to be locked up in order to be "drug free"?
(That's a trick question, 'cause most drugs are also available in prison.)
Narcan's not helpful. It allows users to survive the OD, meaning they'll OD all over again.
Naturist here. ODs are part of modern urban life (and we're soon an urbanized planet).
Narr
Is there nothing Trump can't do?
So, white, collegedumacted, middle-class professional people I know are raising their grandchildren.
Why? Because they failed to raise responsible children . . . it makes me hope they do better this time around!
Narr
Like all wars, the War on Some Drugs is a cash cow for certain people
Inga has zero self awareness though and is just kinda stupid.
It always amazes me that anyone responds to her stupid......but they do, and they make her relevant. Stop it.
“I don't understand why so many folks beleive jailing/killing everybody who has/uses/sells a substance is the best way to deal with the issues some people have with using drugs&alcohol.”
Way to completely miss the fucking point. Junkies can OD all day long for all I care. That anyone it’s OK to train the junkie’s small children to save and enable these shitbags is beyond belief.
These children are real people. Not some abstraction in some Prog bedshitting.
Thinks its OK. I swear, no matter how much I proofread, words are dropped between the crouch and the leap.
Just say no.
It’s ruined many a good tirade.
Access to free Narcan is a basic human right!
Way to completely miss the fucking point.
No need to get all cussy about it. My point is that a lotta people, including our own President, are saying the solution to our drug problem is that we need to kill/jail more people. That policy hasn't worked before, it ain't working now, and I don't understand why some folks think it will work ever.
That anyone it’s OK to train the junkie’s small children to save and enable these shitbags is beyond belief.
Ain't saying it's "ok", but it appears at first glance to be "less bad". It's a terrible situation no matter how ya look at it, with not too many good solutions - but I do beleive that showing kids how to use Narcan is less-evil than having 'em watch their parents die right before their eyes.
This is more of an emotional, rather than logical issue (what kinda stats/reports would one even use to prove/disprove that watching parents die is less harmful than giving 'em Narcan?) so I reckon that is just something we're gonna have to agree to disagree on it.
Hmm, "guns" - high capacity "guns"? - and children.
Trump suggests self-moderation, education, and sentences commensurate to crimes. So, for example, you cannot abort (i.e. capital punishment), dismember, cannibalize someone merely because they are characterized as a "burden". Also, mitigation of progressive corruptio, confusion, and other dysfunctional paths.
That policy hasn't worked before
It works if the point is punishment.
I.e., if the point is to make people for helping to screw up society with their drug use and attendant bad behavior.
I'm not necessarily against the "point is the punishment" course of action. Punishment as an end in of itself is not necessarily a bad thing.
"... make people pay . . ."
Do you suppose fentanyl is China's revenge for the Opium War?
These children are real people. Not some abstraction in some Prog bedshitting.
So are their parents. Yet, you are willing to let them die and leave their children orphans.
Number of times Inga has called downtown Seattle or Portland or San Franciso Obama country?
Maybe not Inga. But I wish I had a dollar for every time someone commented on this blog about the hell that is our democratic led cities.
Something needs to be clarified here: Narcan is NOT like an EpiPen. You train a child to use an EpiPen on himself when he has an allergic breathing emergency, an all-or-nothing crisis. With Narcan the key phrase is "titrate to effect", in other words, give it only til you see it is having an effect, i.e., bringing the patient around, because as madasHell noted above, slam a full Narcan dose into a user and he will typically come up off the stretcher fighting. Literally swinging at you in a rage because you just ruined his high. You really want a child in that kind of situation, getting thrown up against a wall by a raging addict he was trying to save? Plus, Narcan is not some magical mystery cure for drug ingestion -- it works only on opioids and users these days go for variety.
“Welcome to Trump's America. Trump Country.”
Yes, rural Tennessee.
Yeah. Because none of this shit happens on the streets of Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles ....
"So are their parents. Yet, you are willing to let them die and leave their children orphans."
Aaaand, another clueless Prog spectacularly, incredibly, misses the point.
This is like saying the answer to gender dysphoria is to surgically mutilate the afflicted and pump them full of hormones. It isn't a solution, it's a surrender. You're not saving anyone, you're discarding them. Child and parent.
The best way forward for drug addicts is to self-eliminate for the interest of society.
"Welcome to Trump's America. Trump Country.”
number of overdose deaths from prescription and illicit opioids doubled from just over 21,000 in 2010 to more than 42,000 in 2016.
Draw your own correlations.
As long as we live in a relatively free and open society drug addiction is going to be with us. Trump policies have made minimal gains in the rate of addiction increase, at modest cost. War and pollution, no hope of solution.
This is like saying the answer to gender dysphoria is to surgically mutilate the afflicted and pump them full of hormones.
That and indoctrination (e.g. sexual orientation). Recall that gender refers to both physical and mental sex-correlated attributes. At least it did, before the twentieth century, when the culture, language etc. were appropriated, corrupted, and progressed with alt-beliefs about women, men, children, evolution, and life itself.
War and pollution, no hope of solution.
War (i.e. defensive, not elective), maybe not. However, the progress of social justice zones, abortion zones, and catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform, can be mitigated through reconciliation, rehabilitation, innovation, and curtailing shared/shifted responsibility. The same will be done for the Green blight, and other environmental pollutants, which remain viable through environmental arbitrage.
First, it's a "little squirt gun". Then, they graduate to a shotgun. Finally, they diverge, monotonically, while wielding a double-edged scalpel. However, this progress is not inevitable, it can be mitigated. #JustDontSquirt
Freder Frederson said...
Number of times Inga has called downtown Seattle or Portland or San Franciso Obama country?
Maybe not Inga. But I wish I had a dollar for every time someone commented on this blog about the hell that is our democratic led cities.
I particularly enjoy the juxtaposition of a city banning plastic straws and handing out disposable syringes.
I remember being in 3rd or 4th grade when all the kids with newly-issued asthma inhalers would play around with them blowing smoke rings in class. What happens when the 6-year-olds decide to try out the "squirt gun" of Narcan on themselves?
Until we find something that works, doing stuff that makes it worse (criminalizing drug use) does only that- makes it worse. Jails full of mostly minorities, street crime, users dying fast with ODs, or slowly and expensively with hepatitis.
You want to ruin your life with heroin/cocaine/whatever? Fine. Go for it, and best of luck. Nobody forced you to start.
Just don't bother me about it or make me pay to clean up your mess.
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