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— Mister Race Bannon (@MrRaceBannon) February 23, 2020
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— Mandy Amory (@LilMissMystic) February 23, 2020
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Because women never express opinion?
We
talk
past
each
other.
Don’t you worry about it.
Yo! Make me a sammich!
Sorry I'm a man
But I do know some things
Please hear me out
Imagine a really stupid woman
She refuses to ever listen
Then blames men for everything
Why use 5 words when you can use 7000?
I wonder how this became a thing, that men are taking the rap for some kind of annoying didactic tendency to inform. I think the opposite is generally true. Why is it so fashionable these days, disrespecting men? I don't get it. Camille Paglia wrote a really good article about this awhile back.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/more_sleeping_with_sources_in_the_swamp_dia_analyst_henry_kyle_frese_pleads_guilty_to_leaks_to_lovebird_reporter.html
Women have long been mocked for talking too much.
This "mansplaining" thing only evens things out.
Where is Race Bannon's left forearm? Unless he's got an extra elbow it ain't where it ought not to be (unless the sexy brunette is very friendly).
But "mansplaining" is a particular sort of talking too much. It's where you, the man, pose as more knowledgeable and/or more intelligent than a woman you're talking to. It's a conversational mistake, unless the woman is your foe and you know you've got the information/intelligence power to win and it's a good time to fight... and even then it's probably a bad strategy.
I loved Johnny Quest. Hadji was my introduction to Indians.
How about in one?
Dumb.
"But "mansplaining" is a particular sort of talking too much. It's where you, the man, pose as more knowledgeable...", Althouse mansplained.
"Who Gives a Flying F"?
"But "mansplaining" is a particular sort of talking too much. It's where you, the man, pose as more knowledgeable and/or more intelligent than a woman you're talking to. It's a conversational mistake, unless the woman is your foe and you know you've got the information/intelligence power to win and it's a good time to fight... and even then it's probably a bad strategy."
said the womansplainer.
Women don't wonder about the right stuff, so don't figure it out themselves.
A few months ago I was working with some people on a home restoration for a friend without the knowledge or cash to do the repairs.
One of the women expressed frustration with a task. I stopped what I was doing, went to where she was working and both showed and told her how I would do it. I promise I did it in the most neutral way I could think about.
She said, sarcastically, "Thanks for the mansplaining".
A few hours later she hit another road block. This time no one came to her aid. She seemed mystified and irritated.
Ann Althouse said...
Women have long been mocked for talking too much.
This "mansplaining" thing only evens things out.
In the proud tradition of using racism to oppose racism, we use sexism to oppose sexism. Everyone gets their turn at being a bigoted ass.
If you don't want to hear what I have to say, don't listen.
Or don't ask the question to begin with. Or do something incorrectly in front of me.
This "mansplaining" thing only evens things out.
That may be.
But it does nothing to dispell the "women talk too much" meme.
"She seemed mystified and irritated."
Probably spent the evening working on an op-ed for the NYT documenting how sexism kept her from succeeding at yet another task.
the man, [] more knowledgeable and/or more intelligent than a woman you're talking to.
That's the way to bet without more information.
What women know is mostly fluff. It comes from thinking sideways, adding details rather than abstracting and going for depth.
The same deep situation comes up a lot more often than the same details come up, so what men have figure out applies more widely than what women figure out.
Hence men always seem to know what to do and women don't.
Women are valued first for what they look like, until they reach an age where they are valued for their families and wisdom and accumulated knowledge.
Men are valued first for what they know and what they can do. When presented with any problem, men's first response is, how can I attack this problem based on my knowledge, skills, capabilities, and experience?
So when a man explains something to a woman, he is sharing the most valued part of himself with her, the thing that makes him HIM, which he does specifically BECAUSE he respects her so much.
When women suppress that behavior with ridicule (or worse, how soon until "mansplaining" is illegal?), they only make men shut down more. Then women complain that men never share their blah blah blah and the whole cycle self perpetuates straight down the tubes.
The first problem with "mansplaining" is that it involves facts. Women aren't interested in facts, only feelings.
The second problem is that "mansplaining" usually involves telling a woman she's wrong. Women must never be made to feel bad about, or responsible for, anything, ever.
It's sad that men have to explain mansplaining, but what can you do.
It's a conversational mistake, unless the woman is your foe and you know you've got the information/intelligence power to win and it's a good time to fight... and even then it's probably a bad strategy.
Women must never be made to feel bad about, or responsible for, anything, ever.
Facts don't care about feelings.
Blogger Gahrie said...
The first problem with "mansplaining" is that it involves facts. Women aren't interested in facts, only feelings.
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2/23/20, 8:54 AM
It’s not about the nail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg
It’s not about the nail.
I posted links to that every where when it first came out.
Men "mansplain" to each other, too, when the occasion calls for it.
We don't freak out about it.
Listen up and learn something.
Let me count the approximate number of man vs woman 'splaining words in my domicile last month.
Me: 500 words
Her: 8000 words
In my experience, the "women talk too much meme" is not all that true among adult women. Some women are talkers, others are not -- just like men -- and any general difference is probably pretty minor. Teen and adolescent girls, now that is another thing altogether. Their affection for verbal exercise takes off at exactly the moment boys start limiting their speech to mono-syllabic grunts. My guess is that this widespread impression has its source in the teen/adolescent experience and just kind of sticks.
That said, I have often marveled at the poor communication skills of so many people who can spend hours talking past each other because they are explaining things poorly and listening even more poorly. I have occasionally resorted to third-party mansplaining in these instances, but do not recall the incidence by sex.
"...the woman is your foe and you know you've got the information/intelligence power to win and it's a good time to fight." Not all exchanges of information are exercises in power politics and domination. Some of them are about how to get the damn screw to seat.
What rhhardin, Gahrie, and Kevin said.
There are always exceptions, but typically, women seem to be almost allergic to coming to terms with how things really work. It's like they fight it. How many times have I tried to explain that setting the thermostat to a higher temperature doesn't make it warm the house up faster? The step-by-step instructions on how to switch the source on the TV from the cable box to the DVD player, still needed after all these years? Once you understand the principle behind those mechanisms, you will never be baffled by them again.
Those devices do not change their behavior depending on the sex of the user. In fact, their simpleminded consistency makes them very easy to deal with. Unlike some of the people we encounter.
But "mansplaining" is a particular sort of talking too much. It's where you, the man, pose as more knowledgeable and/or more intelligent than a woman you're talking to.
But what if you really are smarter than she is? If women and men have similar IQ distributions and you randomly pair them off for conversations, about half the time the woman will be smarter and the other half of the time the man will be. The "mansplaining" epithet presumes that the latter never happens.
How to splain class discussion in mixed company A professor might attempt it , what?
rhhardin said...
Women don't wonder about the right stuff, so don't figure it out themselves.
Explained with precision by our in-house maestro on this topic. Ann should have waited. Thread now closed.
I've never met a woman who put up with "Mansplaining" - usually they interrupt and keep on yacking.
The only reason we're talking about "Mansplaining" is some women don't have the guts to interrupt. They sit there - passive. And then complain afterwards to their chick girlfriends. Men expect you to interrupt if you don't like what's being said or how its being said.
Race Bannon was cool.
To turn the tables: Even if there’s good advice from time to time, I’d advise guys in seeking a mate to almost NEVER listen to resentment-filled feminist demands, except to keep an eye on them.
Blue or pink hair, hyphenated-names and righteous causes are all red-flags. This woman needs to join a group of like minded women who exclude and often denigrate men, which is often just motivated anger, resentment etc.
If you can’t do any better, go for it, but you’ll probably have to deal with a lot of suffering to make her happy, if there wasn’t that much of that before she became an open feminist, there likely is afterwards. Also, this will help you stay away from confused lesbians.
Healthy women will care about you, and will tell you all the time what kind of man you should be. The better part of you that brings home the bacon and aims for strength, hard work and honesty might be what you need.
rcocean said...
Men expect you to interrupt if you don't like what's being said or how its being said.
This is exactly right. Men presume that if you are being told redundant information, you'll speak up and tell the speaker to skip a bit. If you don't, we assume the information is not redundant.
The term "Mansplaining" is just feminist sexist bigotry that comes with assumed female superiority that is afforded by being well protected by men.
Womens feelings, especially those of well off white women, are more important than anyone elses, which is why most social interaction is governed by it and sometimes enforced by law.
And do not expect equality. She talks and you listen most of the time. You kill the spiders and fix the heat pump. You buy the peripherals and recover the hard drive.
"We're all going to die."
Male co-pilot to female pilot.
Male passenger to female driver.
Male engineer to female engineer.
"How do you write women so well?"
"I think of a man, and subtract reason and accountability."
Best movie line, ever!!!
The smartest people I know leave a conversation knowing everything that you know. They listen, they get you to tell you what you know. They are smart, so most of it they know already, but sometimes they don't, but now they do.
These people are not very smart. It isn't a feminist thing. It is a refusal to consider two things; I may not know, and that other person might.
Essentially someone who says this is saying 'you think I'm stupid'. Unfortunately they just provided the confirmation.
Riding on a bus a few weeks ago, I noticed a woman across from me in the middle section, taking photos with her phone. This being Seattle, and her being rather ugly and alone, come to think of it, it was probably manspreading bullshit.
Out here, joining rather childish group identities and memes seems to be a replacement for becoming an adult and being genuinely decent for too many people.
Come for the jobs, natural beauty, and freedom, leave because of cost of living, the earthquakes, and the enviro communists and endless crazy radicals into everything.
“ AM
Blogger Phil 314 said...
I loved Johnny Quest. Hadji was my introduction to Indians.”
Johnny Quest was the best cartoon ever! No school for Johnny, just jetting around the world having great adventures.
Diversity breeds adversity. The feminine (female or male) chauvinists who propagate these memes need to reconsider their strategy. Oh, and #HateLovesAbortion
It's the feminized macho men and the confirmed bachelor types that has spoiled mansplaining for the rest of us.
Keeping Faith season 2, there are a lot of "what's she crying about now" moments, if you're a guy, in the solitary acting scenes.
Women are superior, dipstick. They get us to do all the dangerous and grinding work while they are getting their nails done.
One of the first things a boy learns from his Dad is how to tune out Mommy.
Ann Althouse said...
But "mansplaining" is a particular sort of talking too much. It's where you, the man, pose as more knowledgeable and/or more intelligent than a woman you're talking to. It's a conversational mistake, unless the woman is your foe and you know you've got the information/intelligence power to win and it's a good time to fight... and even then it's probably a bad strategy.
Demanding to be taken seriously.
It's not about the nail.
Stereotypes are based on truth.
three for three isn't five.
Do contractions count as one?
Riding bitch with Race Bannon? You go, girl!
Jeff said...
But what if you really are smarter than she is? If women and men have similar IQ distributions and you randomly pair them off for conversations, about half the time the woman will be smarter and the other half of the time the man will be. The "mansplaining" epithet presumes that the latter never happens.
Actually the tendency if for the male IQ bell curve to be flatter with more representation at the edges and women to have much lower standard deviations.
You have to throw in the obligatory "Women might have a slightly higher mean" to not have things thrown at you or lose your job.
Wait a sec...
But "mansplaining" is a particular sort of talking too much. It's where you, the man, pose as more knowledgeable and/or more intelligent than a woman you're talking to.
The problem is that almost all women have absolutely no idea how anything works.
I let my wife fail.
.....and then we pick up the pieces together.
She doesn't fail very often.
The problem is that almost all women have absolutely no idea how anything works.
Most women are Elizabeth Warren.......
The real question is: why isn't Race Bannon in the driver's seat?
Blue or pink hair, hyphenated-names and righteous causes are all red-flags. This woman needs to join a group of like minded women who exclude and often denigrate men, which is often just motivated anger, resentment etc.
Yup. Hyphenated names, especially.
C’mon, ladies. Don’t go away mad.
Go away educated!
Why is Mike Pence putting his arm around a woman not his wife?
Actually the tendency if for the male IQ bell curve to be flatter with more representation at the edges and women to have much lower standard deviations.
Here are the estimates, if one assumes[sic] men have an IQ of 102, (sd 15) and women an IQ of 99, (sd 14).
At IQ 130: 69.8% men
At IQ 145: 80.3% men
"This is a very substantial paper. It shows a massive sex difference in brain size of 1.4 d, and when one factors in that brain size relates to intelligence at a correlation of about 0.28, then the predicted intelligence difference will be a large 0.39 d, but the observed difference is only half that."
and
"Once again, I recommend that men pay close attention to the largest sex difference, which plays out in their favour: spatial orientation, in which they have a 6 IQ points advantage.
I recommend that women play close attention to Episodic memory in which they have an advantage of 4 IQ points, giving women the upper hand when remembering male transgressions."
So ever since this mansplaining term has been out there I've been noticing how it takes shape. I have noticed this might be one of those ways that women are just getting a sense of how guys are. Men explain things to each other, guys are always trying to show what they know and like being an expert. Then I noticed how my then 4 year old was always 'mansplaining' telling his mom, me , whoever, how things worked (even when he had no idea). It's like how guys insult each other. Women don't actually know how guys socialize and so take offense when they're included as 'one of the guys'. Guys who don't respect or include don't mansplain they don't say anything and just do the thing that needs doing.
Fine, more whining about the existence of men and one of their salient characteristics. Tell you what, wimmen, you do what you do best, complain that the sky is blue, and men will employ their classic survival strategy of silently withdrawing into their garages and man caves, talking to other similarly disaffected guys about cars, trucks, and sports. Women can fucking figure it out all on their own, instead of enduring a man's opinion.
Is this about people who speak truth to facts?
Dadsplainng is a clear and progressive problem. So, too, is momsplaining. And there is nothing worse than childsplaining. Some say that babysplaining is a first-order forcing of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change that social justifies the wicked solution: off with her head! The balance of sharing and withholding is a real problem for teachers and mentors, which explains the most expensive education system in the world with progressive outcomes. Teachersplaining, how can you have your pudding, if you don't eat your meat.
Fernandistein: Once again, I recommend that men pay close attention to the largest sex difference, which plays out in their favour: spatial orientation, in which they have a 6 IQ points advantage.
In mechanical reasoning, D, the difference between the means of males and females, is near as darnnit to 1.
Which means the mean for males is one standard deviation to the right of the mean for females.
At one standard deviation to the right of the male mean, there are virtually no females.
"The real question is: why isn't Race Bannon in the driver's seat?"
He's trying to teach her how to parallel park.
The purpose of mansplaining is to move toward parity where she takes on some of the honeydo list. It's men working for the equality of women.
It's not mansplaining. It's called being right.
Why is the "man" in the gif wearing a dress?
Women are superior, dipstick. They get us to do all the dangerous and grinding work while they are getting their nails done.
That s pretty cynical and sexist, Howard.
However, you may have a point.
Seems to me the problem with "mansplaining" is condescension. Fair enough. Condescension is offensive. It ends communication.
But someone expecting and bracing for condescension is also offensive and a communication killer.
Rationalize it too much and you have a toxic social / political issue.
Can a transgender man still mansplain?
This is why Bloomberg let Warren scalp him Wednesday night- he was afraid of being accused of mansplaining.
“The term "Mansplaining" is just feminist sexist bigotry that comes with assumed female superiority that is afforded by being well protected by men.”
“Womens feelings, especially those of well off white women, are more important than anyone elses, which is why most social interaction is governed by it and sometimes enforced by law.”
Deborah Tannen, a linguist, suggests that men and women have very different conversational styles. Male conversations are primarily informational, while female conversations are primarily relational and emotional. That is why we often hear what is said very differently. And, Others have noted above, that we can and will interrupt other peer or lower status males when the information being transmitted is already known (on the flip side, you probably don’t do that with higher status males, such as your boss, if you want to keep your job). Mansplaining is women trying to impose their conversational style on men, and it isn’t appreciated by normal guys, because we have to listen to femaleemoting speak all the time - Every time we her them dithering, asking about their dress, or telling us about all of the conversations they had all day. Al the time. Feminists are trying to denormalize how males speak, and make the female conversational style the only acceptable way to speak. Only soy boys and omega males will voluntarily comply. And this is why so many women today claim that they can’t get a decent guy - they want an alpha male who conforms to female conversational norms, but they wouldn’t be alpha males if they did.
I tell women who want both, an alpha or beta guy, and respect for their conversational style, to do what we do with them - let their eyes glaze over and tell them that they are great and wonderful.
Everyone in a Johnny Quest was great in their own way!
Johnny & Hadji showed everyone how to be a good friend.
Bandit was the best dog ever!
Race Bannon, besides being cool was the hottest character ever!
And Johnny’s dad was smart as a whip yet always seemed to be a “reasonable” guy when Johnny got in trouble.
Why don’t they play it anymore?
Too many sexist behaviors or comments?
Why don't they play it anymore? Hadji!
Nuff said!
Men explain because men like to analyze things and how they work. I haven't experienced women needing to explain as men do. Instead, I find that women have a need to narrate. Women care more about people and relationships. Many times I have been a captive audience as a woman narrates a story, and I am desperate for her to get to the point.
We have to. We're smarter. #MansplainingIn5Words
I don't think most people understand the whole mansplaining thing. Women DO want a man to mansplain. But they also want to complain about it. It fills two essential female needs: a man and the need to complain about a man.
Unfortunately if you complain on Twitter, it's obvious you're only satisfying the second need.
Cool your jets fellows. The girls are just having a hard time getting to know how to work in a man's world and shape the landscape in there favor. Just don't be a pushover. I mansplain my mansplaining by saying it's how idiot morons understand the world.
It's where you, the man, pose as more knowledgeable and/or more intelligent than a woman you're talking to.
It is not a pose.
The heat of condescension is what gives us thunderstorms.
"It is not a pose" he explained, in five words.
It's not a pose, Tom said airily.
Don't super heroes often disarm their foes by getting them to monologue?
"A few hours later she hit another road block. This time no one came to her aid. She seemed mystified and irritated."
My motto; You broke it.You figure it out. You fix it. Separates the men from the beta males and the whiney women. And I have known women who were very good at figuring out what was wrong and then going ahead and fixing it. mechanically/
"Deborah Tannen, a linguist, suggests"
Mansplaining a woman's scholarship, eh?
Anyway, mansplaining is a form of conversation in which women mistake the appearance of male condescension for disrespect.
"Mansplaining" can take several forms. Women are guilty too. Don't get smug ladies
1. Showing off. You are pretty sure that you know a topic (finally) inside and out and want to impress the crowd or impress the person of opposite sex that you are interested in. Men do it more for that last reason than women do, because women don't usually want to clout their prospective sexual partners over the head with knowledge or step on their fragile egos. Women have other ways to impress and get attention ;-D
2. You are a person who is unable to read social clues. and don't know when to STFU. Like a person on "the spectrum" you assume that everyone is enthralled with the same things you are. Boring everyone, not just women, to death. You get on a roll discussing a technical issue or your latest hobby horse.
This is my guilty failing. No one cares about Sharpe ratios or about bond durations in a weighted portfolio. The duration of a financial asset that consists of fixed cash flows, for example a bond, is the weighted average of the times until those fixed cash flows are received. When the price of an asset is considered as a function of yield, duration also measures the price sensitivity to yield, the rate of change of price with respect to yield or the percentage change in price for a parallel shift in yields. Bored yet?]
3. You are completely internalized in your subject of choice and are trying to work out details and problems aloud. Not mansplaing. Thinking out loud.
My husband is guilty of that when he is facing a difficult electrical, physics or thermodynamic type of problem. I will get an extend lecture on pump and hydro dynamics plus ohms, resistance, pump depths versus pushing power etc etc etc. It is all for his benefit trying to work out a problem. My go-to attitude is "Yes. That is really interesting." and often ask a question or two (because I am actually interested an have learned a lot from his musings). Sometimes that question that might lead him to the solution.
The reality is that the person (male or female) who is "mansplaining" isn't trying to insult you.
In reality...is isn't about you anyway :-)
Get over it.
"You are completely internalized in your subject of choice and are trying to work out details and problems aloud."
Also known as a "code review".
You're not explaining it for their benefit. You're explaining it for your benefit.
There is no point “manspalining” anything to a woman. They can’t hear it. If you tell them how you fixed the pool heater, for example, you may as well be explaining quantum physics to them, all they want to hear is whether you fixed it. After that they get bored and can’t follow you anyway, which is why they resent it.
"because women don't usually want to clout their prospective sexual partners over the head with knowledge or step on their fragile egos.”
That’s fucking hysterical, he mansplained.
I guess there are plenty of men who are morons. And they seem to have girlfriends and wives anyway.
I used to think that if I explained how I did something that my ex. wife thought was important to be done, that she would then be able to do it herself in the future, like resetting the pool heater when the pilot light goes out. It is actually pretty simple, so next time it happens you ..... zzzzz.
Hey Skipper said...
But "mansplaining" is a particular sort of talking too much. It's where you, the man, pose as more knowledgeable and/or more intelligent than a woman you're talking to.
The problem is that almost all women have absolutely no idea how anything works.
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Amen. I always have believed there's an element of rage beneath all that learned helplessness, probably because they all know that if men disappeared from the face of the Earth one day, they would be dead in a couple of weeks.
MEN built all the tools of modern civilization, all the buildings, the electric grid, the sewage system, compter networks, the transportation and distribution systems (vehicles and roads), the works. It would all crumble starting Day One, and THEY wouldn't know to maintain or repair them.
(someone should make a movie with that premise).
Among my male friends, we debate all sorts of technical things: how to refinance a house, plumbing, movies, Tesla, stocks, hunting, everything. If someone says something dumb, the other guys explain it to them. If someone knows something no one else knows we ask for details. This is how guys talk, about real stuff, including arguing and mansplaining to each other. We almost never gossip about people with each other. Ask a typical woman how a sump pump works, or what shorting the market is, or the risk of corona virus and they haven't thought about it/don't know. They know other stuff but to guys most women seem naive about the real world.
Belief in mansplaining is projection.
I have worked in a female-dominated environment (social work, nursing, psychology, rehab therapies, mental health law at an acute psychiatric facility) for forty years.
"MEN built all the tools of modern civilization, all the buildings, the electric grid, the sewage system, compter networks, the transportation and distribution systems (vehicles and roads), the works.”
There are a few women who can be trained to fix stuff. You can also train a dog to be a bat boy.
https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1231720285575032836
"or step on their fragile egos.”
Why would you want such a man?
rhhardin said...
What women know is mostly fluff. It comes from thinking sideways, adding details rather than abstracting and going for depth.
The same deep situation comes up a lot more often than the same details come up, so what men have figure out applies more widely than what women figure out.
Hence men always seem to know what to do and women don't.
That could explain Justice Sotomayor "scathing" dissent.
Men do and women dissent?
I mansplain to my wife all the time. Considering the fact that I can fix almost anything, build almost anything, and have dispensed life changing advice to numerous mutual friends/acquaintances for which I've been thanked profusely, it's no surprise that instead of complaining, she listens intently and retains most of what I say.
I appreciate that last part more than words can express. She enriches me in many other ways, and it brings me great joy to not only return the favor, but know that she considers it memorable and useful.
Yin and yang.
Belief in mansplaining is projection.
Exactly. Normal, mature men and women don't indulge or respond to triggers, which is what social progression, semantic games, and em-pathetic appeals hope to normalize for leverage. One step forward, two steps backward.
I loved Johnny Quest. Hadji was my introduction to Indians.
Hadji is now India's Deputy Prime Minister, and even introduced Trump at his big speech yesterday.
Race Bannon and Modesty Blaise? No wonder he's in the passenger seat.
'Women have long been mocked for talking too much.
This "mansplaining" thing only evens things out.'
Men have been mocked for millennia when they talk too much. It is a recurring theme in the Book of Proverbs. The ideal has always been the person of few words.
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