"... and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don't think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don't know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you're just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that's a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions.... Then this argument about whether or not or when he did or didn't say that a woman couldn't be elected, it's part of a pattern. If it were a one-off, you might say, 'OK, fine.' But he said I was unqualified. I had a lot more experience than he did, and got a lot more done than he had, but that was his attack on me. I just think people need to pay attention because we want, hopefully, to elect a president who's going to try to bring us together, and not either turn a blind eye, or actually reward the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior that we've seen from this current administration."
Said Hillary Clinton, quoted in "Hillary Clinton in Full: A Fiery New Documentary, Trump Regrets and Harsh Words for Bernie: "Nobody Likes Him'" (Hollywood Reporter). The quote within the quote — "Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him" — is from the documentary. The rest is from the Hollywood Reporter interview.
ADDED: She's talking about Bernie the way Democrats talk about Trump.
AND: Nobody likes you is a classic childhood taunt.
PLUS: How much do you care whether the politicians like each other? Does that benefit Us the People or is their inwardly directed cliquishness a danger? Do they like us?
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251 comments:
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"Nobody likes him" said the witch that nobody likes.
Hillary is a master projector.
Not one scintilla of self-reflection in her. And she brings Huma back into the picture.
If Mrs. Sanders likes Mr. Sanders he is one up on Mrs. Clinton.
...or actually reward the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior that we've seen from this current administration
When you look at who he's insulting, attacking, demeaning and degrading I'm inclined to reward the behavior.
She's talking about Bernie the way everybody talks about her. Most people know this schtick, even if they won't call it out. Lame.
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
-From Profile of the Sociopath
In that same interview, Hillary complains vigorously about Fox News. Said that liberals need to buy their own TV network and newspaper.
What? CNN, MSNBC, NYY and WaPo aren't enough.
That woman is a criminal and a fascist. She needs to go away. Nobody likes her.
Hillary Clinton will bring us together! Everything will be wonderful after we get rid of everyone she doesn't like. Pussy Power for the win.
She should know how he feels....We didn't like her either!!!
WOW
Hillary! shivved Bernie after he bent over backwards in 2016 not to attack Hillary! and her emails.
Ew. Cooties!
The mean girl says, "Nobody likes him."
My admiration for Bernie Sanders grew three sizes that day.
If I can’t be president, then neither can you.
Nobody likes him is a junior high insult.
Typical from some chick who failed the bar exam on her first try and whose husband had to carry her career for her while he fucked around on her without compunction.
Bernie Sanders has ridiculous policies. But he got where he got on his own. Not by marrying into it like Hillary.
Obama and Trump both beat her despite all the advantages she was handed.
I'm looking forward to the documentary when we can finally watch what is like the night she lost the election. The frantic phone calls to the lawyers, the fits, the crying, the tossing of the chardonnay... /sarc
Somehow I don’t think Warren will be touting Hillary’s views of Bernie.
Do they like us?
Well Hillary did call me and others deplorable, so I'm sure she doesn't like us. She seemed to get along well with Weinstein and Epstein about the time she denounced me as deplorable.
Do they like us?
No. No they don’t.
I think it's safe to say that there's far more people who genuinely like Bernie than Hillary. People put up with Hillary when they thought that she could win, but there was really never much enthusiasim for her outside a few hardcore devotees. Sure, people voted for her, but that's different than genuinely liking someone.
I personally don't like either Bernie or Hillary, but I find Bernie to be less unlikable.
Takes one to know one.
“ "You're likable enough, Hillary." Obama 2008
If she really wanted to fuck somebody up, she'd endorse them.
"You're likable enough, Hillary." Obama 2008
He lied.
I present you evidence #12,364 that politics in the USA is really bifurcating along male vs. female lines. Evidence #12,263 was the NYT double-endorsement of not one, but two white female candidates for the nomination.
The Dems have turned into a giant gang of misfits led by Tracy Flick white 'Beckys' harvesting their votes so they can upgrade from 'pocket' to actual Hitler status.
If you can't see this you're blind.
Likability is not an important criterion for President.
I don't like her overly familiar "Kamala" and "Elizabeth"
Hey! It's SENATOR Harris and SENATOR Warren, lady!
Anyone Hillary doesn't like can't be all bad.
This from the witch who proclaimed Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein to be "Russian Assets."
The demeaning behavior streams out of Hillary's corrupt Deep State.
Hillary Clinton - the queen of war mongers and self-dealing international corruption.
Hillary Clinton is experienced, all right. In the art of self-enrichment.
Oh god, talk about Pot calling the kettle black. Who likes Hillary? Every day I thank the Lord she wasn't elected. Every day she would've been wanking on about "People hating Women" meaning hating Hillary.
If she really wanted to fuck somebody up, she'd endorse them.
LOL, how true, tcrosse!
How could anyone dislike a fellow who is so innocently bizarre when he talks to kids? Or anyone?
Those two anyones aren't the same person.
Hillary is the only person who makes me consider liking Bernie.
and I cannot stand communists.
Hillary is the it girl of the Globalist Corruptocrats. As such she looks down on old fashioned Marxism that rounds up and kills their enemies ( a/k/a the American middle class). The pragmatic Hillary just takes concealed cash bribes to sell out the American Middle Class to the highest Globalist bidders.
Tulsi is a Russian spy. nobody likes bernie. Trump is a Russian Traitor who stole the election. Bill was only impeached because of a "vast right wing conspiracy". Bimbo Eruptions. Epstein Island? No comment. Email gate.
A horrible person. Note that all the Bernie Bros voted for her.
Why hasn't Obama and Hillary endorsed Biden yet? Or are they just waiting for a few early victories in NH and SC?
I was planning to ask some questions about the assertions in that quote until I got to the words "Hillary Clinton" and realized there's no point. Has Hillary Clinton said one thing in her life that wasn't self-pitying bullshit?
Who dis?
As mockturtle said, likability isn't that important for a President. Sure, it may play a big factor in actually getting elected President in the first place. But as for actually executing the duties of the President and generlly being effective at the job, likability is probably down the list of useful characteristics for a President to have.
Pitting Bernie against Hillary is asking the American middle class to chose how they want to be executed. Hmmm?Do we choose hanging, beheading, or a short stay in the Gulag.
Pitting males and females against each other. I wonder why men would vote Trump over Hillary?
It's a mystery!
oh wait - you men are all misogynists. Convert your thinking, evil deplorable misogynists, or you will be punished.
(did that help make you like Hillary Clinton?)
Adam Schitt and his band of corruption mongers - they all work on behalf of Hillary.
Its a good thing that Warren and Hillary don't get that all this "Wah, Wah, You criticized me for being a woman" just makes them look WEAK. We're electing a Commander in Chief, not the victim in chief. If you can't take Bernie or trump insulting you, how are you going to take on Putin?
And Hillary's comment about Bernie are so absurd. Bernie hit soft in 2016, and gave up as soon as he could. he never wanted to win, if he did the emails would've been brought up.
A book, a tour, a movie, a book, a tour, a movie. Hillary Clinton, Inc. Any avenue to make a buck.
Anyone ever display so much butthurt?
How much moo-la did the Clinton machine make on Russian Connections?
Not on Maddow - tonight or ever.
President Likability? The real question is liked by who. presidents need to connect to the American people. Nobody cares that Schumer/Nancy don't like Trump. And being disliked by the pompous twits in the DNC-media is a plus.
"Bernie bros...online attacks...against women"
Word. Sing it sister. Everyone knows that the same deferential treatment to the vagina-havers in the democratic party applies online as it should in real life.
How dare they.
In Berno's favor, there doesn't seem to be a lot of people around him dying under improbable circumstances or "patterns" of fishy looking, extremely lucrative familial speechifyin'.
But whatevs.
Can anyone blame BJ Clinton for trying to find love/companionship outside of marriage? Imagine what kind of holy hell he had to go through at home with Crooked Bitch Clinton.
Why hasn't Obama and Hillary endorsed Biden yet?
Biden is just a place-holder for a late entry, yet to be named, whom Obama (and Hillary) will endorse at the Convention.
How much does anyone care what the two time loser clinton says? I mean seriously?
"Childish taunt"
Drove past the Democratic Tree-house the other day. Saw a big sign looked recently installed. Said "No Bros Allowed".
Made me think of two things. One, apt. Two, come on...everyone knows girls can't build tree-houses.
"Hillary's Last 15 Minutes," a fiery new documentary.
She was personally slighted by Sanders, and is reacting by urging Democrats to go Fully Feminist Grievance.
It's not part of a pattern if the pattern depends on that non-existent part.
Sanders never said Hillary was unqualified to be president. He said that getting big money from Wall Street, voting for the Iraq war and disastrous trade agreements, and helping corporations and the wealthy avoid taxes didn't qualify her. He said those things didn't make her qualified; it's clear from the context.
Nobody likes Sanders or wants to work with him, except for all the Bernie Bros who like him and work with him, but they're, what's the word? Oh yeah, deplorable.
Hillary is a political Incel.
It's weird how Hillary's future and legacy relies on the flimsy narrative that Bill simply had an affair with all those women rather than Hillary herself was aiding and abetting his behavior. Where's the woke generation when you need them?
See Hillary ain't a socialist. She is a grifter but she ain't a socialist.
She wants you to vote for the grifters.
In that same interview, Hillary complains vigorously about Fox News. Said that liberals need to buy their own TV network and newspaper.
She really wants the Deep State to manage the media so that only "approved" news is broadcast.
We dodged a bullet with Obama, but if Hillary were elected, we would be far closer to fascism than at any other time in our history.
See Hillary ain't a socialist. She is a grifter but she ain't a socialist.
She wants you to vote for the grifters.
Nobody likes me, everybody hates me
I think I'll go eat worms!
Big fat juicy ones
Eensie weensy squeensy ones
See how they wiggle and squirm!
Hillary makes it sounds like women are too vulnerable to be out of the kitchen, even with their shoes on, but she's certainly not the only one inadvertently making that argument. Maybe all female politicians could carry around a reset button.
If Hillary had won, Bernie would have been found with an ice ax in his head.
So long as the Democrats make the race, sex or any other identity politics characteristic their criteria for their candidates, I won't be voting for any Democrat.
In that same interview, Hillary complains vigorously about Fox News. Said that liberals need to buy their own TV network and newspaper.
Riiight.
MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, WaPo etc... aren't enough pro-D party/ narrative-as-news/ bad journalism/leftwing propaganda.
I wonder when she'll realize that her words really damage only the Democratic Party, as they remind everyone of her (1) condescension towards the Middle Class (2) grifting (3) horrible campaign and (4) control of the Democratic Party in a way that was patently unfair to any challengers?
Imagine how much a President Hillary would have the media wrapped around her finger. First voluntarily, and then that backed up with the obvious threat of her ire destroying any reporter who didn't kiss her ass. It would be absolutley Stalinesque, which is an actual thing in psychology:
"In a Stalinesque hypothesis, the two events would be reconciled prior to entering the subject's consciousness, with the final result presented as fully resolved. This is akin to Joseph Stalin's show trials, where the verdict has been decided in advance and the trial is just a rote presentation." ~ Wikipedia
So, is Hillary conspiring with the DNC to rig the primaries, as they did back in 2016?
If it wasn't for Hillary, I would never appreciate my deplorablness.
You all know Bernie has multiple followers openly calling for gulags and he has already sent one minion to shoot up Republicans in DC.
This is Lenin vs. Trotsky at best.
Nobody likes you you see
Nobody likes you ya creep
Nobody likes you anyway
You are not any fun
You bother everyone
You think you're better
but we're gonna shut you up
'cause nobody likes you
- Screeching Weasel
"he said I was unqualified."
Did he? Honest question. I don't recall. Of course, the question questions her honesty.
"we want, hopefully, to elect a president who's going to try to bring us together, and not either turn a blind eye, or actually reward the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior that we've seen from this current administration."
And what better way to bring people together than by attacking the other side of insulting, degrading behavior.
"How much do you care whether the politicians like each other?"
I don't, but then, I am a man. Since more women are into feelings, they care more about whether politicians like each other. In particular, they care about whether female politicians like how male politicians treat them.
From a certain angle, Orange Man Bad is just a variation on the trite feminist whine, Bad Man Bad.
Who is this Hillary person, and how can we get her talk more about the Democrats still in the game?
I don't mind having a sonuvabitch as president as long as he's MY sonuvabitch.
Its a good thing that Warren and Hillary don't get that all this "Wah, Wah, You criticized me for being a woman" just makes them look WEAK. We're electing a Commander in Chief, not the victim in chief. If you can't take Bernie or trump insulting you, how are you going to take on Putin?
Excellent point, rcocean! As I've been saying for years, women don't look strong and capable by whining.
The Pantsuited Pantload won’t go away, just like her husband.
Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him'... it's not only him, it's the culture around him."
Not only him, but all that also applies to "Her"! In fact, that applies to most of the "D"s running. Crap, most of the "R"s too!
You would have a hard time culling out the politicians that don't suck, from any random group of politicians.
Politicians used to tell you what they thought, believed, and believed in. If enough people felt the same way, they won the day. That morphed over time to politicians telling people what he/she thought they wanted to hear with a politician's commitment to a position now only [barely] being surface deep. It is now all about getting elected and getting power. Not standing up for your core beliefs that are shared by a majority of your constituents. The only core beliefs most politicians seem to have is in their own right to power. Sad.
"So long as the Democrats make the race, sex or any other identity politics characteristic their criteria for their candidates, I won't be voting for any Democrat."
After 42 years as a Democrat, only recently registering "nonpartisan", I don't think there is anything the Democrats could do to win me back. They can never make up for the corruption, lawlessness, and lies I have seen over the last decade. It's just permanently unforgivable at this point. I have issued the Democratic party a sentence of life in prison without parole.
Hillary is moving her slow thighs towards the nomination once again.
Hearing from Hill reminds me of the absolutely exhilarating experience of the election getting called for Trump.
And at the time, I didn't even like the guy.
We'll always have that. Thanks, Hill!
#WalkAway
or run....
I have issued the Democratic party a sentence of life in prison without parole.
How merciful of you. Me, I sent 'em to the gas chamber.
Another Sanders campaign field organizer comes out in favor of gulags.
Hillary! may be reprehensible, but I think in this instance she's right.
Hillary is moving her slow thighs towards the nomination once again.
The Dems wouldn't be that desperate or that stupid, would they? Would they?
Likability is not an important criterion for President.
I don't think as many Trump voters, such as myself, liked Trump in 2016 as they do in 2020.
What she is describing of Bernie world is likely true and typical of a leftist political group of any kind. They are not friendly to outsiders, which is why they eventually with power will try to ban opponents, steal their stuff, disarm them, send them to a gulag, and kill them if needed.
"They can never make up for the corruption, lawlessness, and lies I have seen over the last decade. It's just permanently unforgivable at this point."
So, Althouse, what say you? Do you find Dem sins forgivable? Does their support for abortion suffice to make up for "the corruption, lawlessness, and lies"? Or are you still "waiting to see what happens"?
This is nothing but the continuation of the deep State attack on Bernie Sanders. The one-two punch of Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton laying the wood on for sleepy Uncle Joe as a prelude to Iowa
Rehajm wrote:
"I'm looking forward to the documentary when we can finally watch what is like the night she lost the election."
The footage of that night, surely taken as they expected to do a documentary on her wonderful victory, was, without a doubt, confiscated at gunpoint before before the guests were allowed to leave the rented suites. We will never see it is the most likely option, though I do still hold out hope that someone surreptitiously got their smart phone out of there inside their rectum.
Democrats are really outdoing themselves. Frontrunners: The confused, groping, king of the grifters; a near-octogenarian, communist curmudgeon; a faux Native American, socialist, pathological liar. Top this off with the sleaziest political hit jobs on a sitting POTUS in history and the evil partnership with the mediaswine and it makes me proud to be an ex-Democrat.
That political amorality and lunacy are unprecedented in my lifetime and I’m no spring chicken.
The footage of that night, surely taken as they expected to do a documentary on her wonderful victory, was, without a doubt, confiscated at gunpoint before before the guests were allowed to leave the rented suites.
The BleachBit of history...
In my perfect world, Hillary Clinton would be smothered... like with a cloth or something.
It's 12 years now since Dennis Miller said it, but it still rings true. "Hillary sounds like my first ex-wife."
The ill tempered harridan just can't help herself. There's a reason (or maybe 63 million reasons) why she lost in 2016. She's not a clinger (other than to Bill's coat tails) but boy is she bitter.
mockturtle said...
The Dems wouldn't be that desperate or that stupid, would they? Would they?
Yes. Yes they are that desperate.
Boy, the dems are sure getting a lot of air time today. Every time I pass by the tv (Fox News) there's a dem at the podium whining how THEY aren't getting a fair trial.
Fuck off.
A "fair trial" is a constitutional right afforded to the DEFENDANT.
If I have anything going for me, is the fact that I've never considered myself a Democrat.
"Every day I thank the Lord she wasn't elected." This. Eleventy-thousand. Can you imagine how many wars we would have had by now had she been elected? And the resources she SQUANDERED losing to Trump, even with the Obama white house enlisting the intelligence and federal police assets to spy on her political opponent and she still managed to lose!
So he is trying to out-Hillary Hillary?
It's certainly not safe for Hillary to go after Warren for telling stories ...
In the same interview Hillary praises the Obamas for striking a production deal with Netflix. Total liberal domination of the culture is the goal according to HRC.
But they already dominate the culture! The Netflix deal is all about money.
Hillary is insane. America dodged a huge bullet when she didn't win.
Browndog - that was the plan all along. Fake impeachment over fake crimes, then whine about the lack of fairness.
Hillary, Bernie. It's a shame they can't both lose.
Oh wait! They can, and in fact they have.
"I am woman, hear me whine", sang Helen Reddy never.
I strongly encourage Hillary to get in the race.
HRC is part of he established order of the financial institutions benefiting under Trump and they hate Bernie and Warren so what is new here?
Browndog said...
Boy, the dems are sure getting a lot of air time today. Every time I pass by the tv (Fox News) there's a dem at the podium whining how THEY aren't getting a fair trial.
Fuck off.
A "fair trial" is a constitutional right afforded to the DEFENDANT.
Democrats are way past allowing their enemies due process.
What was done to General Flynn for example will be shocking.
These are terrible people doing terrible things.
Hanging is too good for them.
Anybody wanna give odds that Saint Hillary throws her hat into the ring? You know she's salivating on the sidelines just dying to figure out a pathway to snatch the nomination.
“You’re likeable enough, Hillary,” was merely Barack Obama’s first big lie.
In related news I see that Liz Warren wants to know why people would vote for a liar. I dunno, Liz, why do people vote for you?
All this Bernie hate indicates to me that he is pissing off all the people that need to be pissed off. Hillary with the help of the DNC manipulated the nomination from Bernie in 2016. It is pleasing to me that he is angering her (though she seems perpetually angry).
The most corrupt politician in the country ripping the most prominent communist creep in the nation. There's no one to root for in this fight.
Do politicians like us? Well, maybe in the way that a farmer likes his sheep and pigs. He sheers the one and sends the other to the slaughterhouse. It's just business.
She just can't go away, can she?
Yes, it matters if your co-workers don’t like you. I saw many people shown the door for failure to be nice to others. The same principle applies to the Senate. If most of Bernie’s co-workers describes him as an asshole, then it’s likely true. So we have to consider the source. It’s a bitter statement from and aging, sick Lady Macbeth who is unliked by millions. Mark her Ignore.
Based only upon my (2) personal acquaintances with Bernie Bros., I would say that the Hildebeast ain't wrong. Old Leftists were all pretty contemptuous of women. Stokely Carmichael's pithy statement on the position of women in the Socialist movement ("prone") was and is pretty telling. But don't try to tell that to their pussy-hatted allies.
I'm comment-jumping for time's sake, and because this is too good--
Our local NPR affiliate (classical, mostly) announcer just said we'd join the senate proceedings live in 20 minutes, but for now we'd hear "Jeux d'enfants."
Narr
Children's games, y'all
She just can't go away, can she?
It's her time, dammit!...
...more from Profile of the Sociopath:
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Why is she calling his supporters “nobodies?” Did she even realize how disrespectful that his to his supporters? Deplorable.
This is nothing but the continuation of the deep State attack on Bernie Sanders. The one-two punch of Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton laying the wood on for sleepy Uncle Joe as a prelude to Iowa
Although my (life long Democrat) wife and I tend to avoid discussing politics, it is clear that she will never vote for Bernie or Liz. She doesn't like their personalities (important to her) or their policies (especially student debt forgiveness).
I suspect that a lot of mainstream Democrats feel the same way about Liz and Bernie. Biden is already toast. What are the Democrat Deep Staters to do?
PLUS: How much do you care whether the politicians like each other? Does that benefit Us the People or is their inwardly directed cliquishness a danger? Do they like us?
Good question. The answer is: it depends on the reason why they don't like the person
The GOP politicians didn't like Ted Cruz. Why? Because he didn't want to let them get away with the normal kabuki where they screwed over the GOP base, while carry on with their own grifting. This is why I supported Cruz in 2016 after Walker and Perry dropped out
OTOH, if they don't like someone because (s)he's just an asshole? If the person would otherwise advance your agenda, but can't, because they piss off everyone they need to work with, they're a waste of your vote.
If they're a jerk to "the little people" around them (see Senator Amy), that IMHO is a solid reason to vote against them.
Because we voters will ALWAYS be "the little people". If they're willing to abuse their staff, they're willing to abuse us.
Bernie's supporters are uniquely abusive and misogynistic. There's something of the Oedipus Complex in the Bernie Bros' hatred of Hillary Clinton (i.e., Killary or Shillary or the "one who yells too much"). Mrs. Clinton is the mother they must hate because they cannot – in Freudian terms – possess. I feel so sorry for these friggin losers.
Francisco D said...
I suspect that a lot of mainstream Democrats feel the same way about Liz and Bernie. Biden is already toast. What are the Democrat Deep Staters to do?
Michelle is warming up the machine.
i kinda admire the Bernie Bros
at least they're up front, about what they plan for America
Nationalization of industry
Gulags
Mass executions
You have to give them credit for honesty
"Anybody wanna give odds that Saint Hillary throws her hat into the ring? You know she's salivating on the sidelines just dying to figure out a pathway to snatch the nomination."
If she is going to enter for primaries, she is running out of time- too many deadlines have passed to actually win the nomination during primary season. So, if she is running, she is counting on brokered convention.
If I were Sanders, I would let loose with a broadside on Clinton. That is how you win the nomination, Bernie.
An appeal to bring us together from the person who called half the country deplorable and irredeemable? I think I'll take a pass on this.
Excellent point, rcocean! As I've been saying for years, women don't look strong and capable by whining.
@mockturtle, @rcocean, @everybody else who hates female Democrat politicians that whine so much, back when Maggie Thatcher was PM it was the men in her cabinet who whined. When she let them.
Hillary CLinton wants the nomination without campaigning or competing. Queen Hillary expects her power and wealth to be given to her willingly - because "she cares".
Ask Haiti about all that Clinton care.
@Yancey,
"So, if she is running, she is counting on brokered convention."
I think that's right. That incentivizes a brokered convention. That means, she wants splintering of votes in the primaries, so she can swoop in to rescue the Dems a la Michelle.
Fun times!
Hillary schlonged Bernie!
Agree, gilbar @ 10:53. That white man at least doesn't speak with forked tongue. An honest Socialist is a better candidate than a dishonest one. Socialism vs. Capitalism would make a great election battle and we know who holds all the materiel.
Interesting comments from all the Bernie voters here.
What? No civility BS tag?
"It's his on-line Bernie bros"
hmmm - sounds like another 'deplorable" moment from Queen Hillary Clinton. She cannot help herself.
"Interesting comments from all the Bernie voters here."
You can think of this place as shelter from the storm of insanity.
Perhaps Hillary can go full Isabel dos Santo.
Is there another nation where Hillary Clinton can run for president?
She’s baaaaack! And oh so dreamy.......
readering said...
Interesting comments from all the Bernie voters here.
I know some people who supported Bernie. Family members etc.
I am going to let them know that it is completely unacceptable at this point to support Bernie Sanders.
Enough of his staffers support gulags and mass murder that it is clear he does too.
History is clear on the results of socialism.
Anyone who supports Bernie Sanders at this point is intending widespread violence and suppression.
Teenagers.
We are governed by teenagers.
What struck me about this is that Mrs. Clinton’s language sounds much like how the mainstream of the GOP talks about Trump. Privately, of course. With a modicum of understanding.
Althouse mentioned “How Democrats talk about Trump.” But Democrats don’t care about the GOP. They hate all Republicans. They wouldn’t distinguish between a Reagan or a Bush or a Trump.
AOC justifying the left's intention to murder their opponents and take their stuff:
“Well, you didn’t make those widgets, did you?” Ocasio-Cortez began. “Because you employed thousands of people and paid them less than a living wage to make those widgets for you. You didn’t make those widgets.”
“You sat on a couch while thousands of people were paid modern day slave wages, and in some cases real slave, real modern-day slavery, uh, depending on where you are in terms of food production,” Ocasio-Cortez claimed. “You made that money off the backs of undocumented people. You made that money off the backs of black and brown people being paid under a living wage.”
“You made that money off the backs of single mothers and all these people who are literally dying because they can’t afford to live and so no one ever makes a billion dollars,” Ocasio-Cortez continued. “You take a billion dollars and all of that to say, is that it’s, and I’m not here to villainize and to say that billionaires are inherently morally corrupt – but they are, I mean, I think there is a case, but um, but, it’s not to say that, it’s to say that this system that we live in, life in capitalism, always ends in billionaires. If you don’t do it, someone else will. It’s who decides to make that choice is just kind of up to, you know, circumstance.”
“I think the part of it that is generational is that millennials and people, in Gen Z, and all these folks that come after us are looking up and we’re like, the world is gonna end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change,” Ocasio-Cortez said without evidence. “And your biggest issue, your biggest issue is how are going to pay for it? — and like this is the war, this is our World War II.”
I think that's right. That incentivizes a brokered convention. That means, she wants splintering of votes in the primaries, so she can swoop in to rescue the Dems a la Michelle.
Yancey and I got into this a few days ago. I'm still strongly in the brokered convention camp. Right now who's the frontrunner- Biden? Yet in Iowa he's struggling to maintain the 15 percent threshold. Still getting 10 percent in any polls are Sanders, Warren, Bootiekeg, Klobuchar. Bloomerg's at eight or nine. It's looking like without help from the MAS three of them could stick around, and Bloomberg and Steyer has no incentive to drop out if that's the case. Entirely plausible the incentives to drop out are low and half a dozen make it to the first ballot. Now add some narrative massaging from the media and deep state if necessary. It opens the door open for Hillary, who doesn't even have to campaign...
Its very very very important to Andrew Weissman-"republican" Chuck that any discussion of democrat problems or infighting be immediately be directed instead to attacks on Trump and his supporters.
...it certainly isn't looking like a traditional cycle where we do Iowa and NH and have an all but two kind of race...
Hillary and Inga must have been separated at birth
I personally don't like either Bernie or Hillary, but I find Bernie to be less unlikable.
I also don't like either of them. BUT...I am more afraid of Bernie.
He is not just a harmless old man. He is dangerous to the extreme.
He is a true ideologue. Uncompromising and dogmatic. When people who are like this get in charge they are going to implement their personal vision of how life should be, how people must conform. No thoughts or cares for the actual consequences of their actions.
True ideologues have no pity, empathy or emotional connection to the people who are affected by their own "pure" vision. They are dangerous and deadly.
In addition: Bernie is surrounded by a cadre of other pure ideologues. People who want gulags, re education camps and want to eliminate anyone who disagrees with their ideology. They want purges to create that purity that they want.
The Chinese Cultural Revolution where millions of people suffered and died can easily be replicated if we allow ideologues such as these to gain control.
A Democrat schism apparent. Spare the babies, eat some worms.
NYT double-endorsement of not one, but two white female candidates
Feminine female. They're both heterosexual, right? White, maybe. One claims to be red. Diversity breeds adversity.
Warren appears to be whiter than Klub n chared.
He is a true ideologue. Uncompromising and dogmatic.
He most definitely is that, DBQ, and I agree he is the most formidable Dem candidate. But I'm putting my faith in Americans to understand how destructive and dangerous Socialism is. The campaign could provide an opportunity to enlighten the Young and Clueless. OTOH...
...If Trump doesn't act to disengage the US from the Middle East he is skating on thin ice with many voters.
I agree - Bernie is dangerous.
But there is something equally dangerous about the seemingly "moderate" Biden or Clinton who get away with decades of scot-free family enriching power-graft.
mockturtle: "...If Trump doesn't act to disengage the US from the Middle East he is skating on thin ice with many voters."
Well Trump is having to fight on many many fronts against the deep staters and he can't do everything all at once.
If voters are too stupid to realize that then they deserve getting democrats running their lives.
Hillary doesn't respect or like anyone who does not support her, nor does she respect most of those who do. She is a carpetbagger, opportunist, and parasite, but likable enough.
There are infinite reasons to loathe Hillary Clinton. Speaking the truth about Bernie Sanders is not one of them.
In addition: Bernie is surrounded by a cadre of other pure ideologues. People who want gulags, re education camps and want to eliminate anyone who disagrees with their ideology. They want purges to create that purity that they want.
These people are the product of the modern university where a new version of the Chinese Cultural Revolution is being perfected.
The Democrats are following their lead with the Kavanaugh hearings and Trump Impeachment trial as examples of their "justice".
DBQ is correct. A true believer like Bernie is far more dangerous than a grifter like Hillary. Hillary would squeeze us for fun and profit. Bernie and his cadres would attempt to eradicate us. Some of us wouldn't go quietly, though.
Watching the grifters get away with large-scale theft is galling. I still prefer it to being loaded into cattle cars for a one-way train ride.
I have no idea why the democrats or the GOP for that matter- cannot break free of the old tired government employee-for-life bureaucrat. The "next in line" government whore, 70+ years old.
Tulsi and Buttijudge would be an exciting young ticket. But the power brokers won't let it happen. Hillary Clinton is still that power-broker. The Podesta Group power Broker.
Hillary Clinton labeled Tulsi a "Russian asset" and the left (the idiot stepford wife-Maddow left - swallowed it whole. Shot - fired. Must. Obey.)
Obama was the new and the different - but he turned into the White House revolving door for money whore really fast. and rolled out the red carpet for Biden-Hillary-Kerry family money grift.
Trump is an imperfect vessel and a Hotel building tycoon, but at least he isn't a government-hire-for life.
The reason that the Chinese Cultural Revolution was successful is the fact that the population was unarmed. Try that shit here, and the outcome will be completely different. ... and don't count on the military to help the Bernie Bros either.
BleachBit But there is something equally dangerous about the seemingly "moderate" Biden or Clinton who get away with decades of scot-free family enriching power-graft.
I agree that it is dangerous to condone or allow politicians to use their position for personal graft, corruption and to become rich off the backs of complacent voters.
Graft and corruption is nothing new. The Clintons and the Bidens are a prime example. Corruption knows no party sides either. However, that danger is more of a moral one and isn't always going to be lethal to others.
A Bernie Bro led cultural revolution is more than just a morality issue. It can be something that we haven't seen in this country since the Civil War. American Citizens fighting to the death over ideology. One side putting the other into concentration/prison camps (as happened in the Civil War). Families and neighbors fighting, dying and torn apart.
Something like this isn't just your common ordinary venality. It is a process that will tear the fabric of the country apart.
I doubt it would actually come to that level. However, the potential is there...IF we let it happen.
Hearsay objections are allowed...
He was kicked of a commune. That should be enough to answer the question of likability.
AOC's latest brilliance: “Well, you didn’t make those widgets, did you?” Ocasio-Cortez began. “Because you employed thousands of people and paid them less than a living wage to make those widgets for you. You didn’t make those widgets.”
Amazing. I've been working to get ahead for four decades -- what a dope! All I needed to do was hire slaves to make widgets! I could have been sitting on the couch this whole time!?
"How much do you care whether the politicians like each other?"
The personal always trumps the political. I want politicians to get along. That's why there were rules for decorum.
Of course, the Democrats threw out that rule when started calling Reagan names, and they've kept it up. Now that Trump's using that weapon against them, they're all about the civility. While they're still calling Trump a white supramacist racist Jew hater.
Widgets are so yesterday. Monocles are the future.
Narr
Monocles, polished with orphans' tears
In her defense, what she meant by "nobody likes Bernie" is "nobody who parties with Epstein and Weinstein likes Bernie." Poor thing - she is so misunderstood.
The personal always trumps the political. I want politicians to get along.
Ironically, Bill, politicians on opposing sides often do get along on a personal level. What you're saying is that you want them to 'get along' with each other on the issues. That's not likely nor is it necessarily desirable. Certainly, compromise is an important part of statesmanship but, other than putting America first in their agenda, I don't see the need for agreement.
A viable third party would be welcome, however. IMO, Trump is really a 'third party' President hated by both sides but loved by many constituents.
Considering the source? This is the funniest thing I'll read all week.
Blogger AllenS said...If I have anything going for me, is the fact that I've never considered myself a Democrat.
Mee too! One of our fellow commenters has spoiled the LLR designation, otherwise I would fall under that.
Has anyone recently read Ayn Rand's essay - About a Woman President
"For a woman to seek or desire the presidency is, in fact, so terrible a prospect of spiritual self-immolation that the woman who would seek it is psychologically unworthy of the job."
Of course, the Democrats threw out that rule when started calling Reagan names, and they've kept it up.
Charlie Sumner might not agree. Preston Brooks, Democrats, nearly killed him.
Historian William Gienapp has concluded that Brooks' "assault was of critical importance in transforming the struggling Republican party into a major political force.
This might be a precedent for the future.
I think her purpose is to drive people to Bernie, pushing toward a stalemate with Biden.
I remember when Hillary and Bernie were contending for the Deomcratic presidential nomination, and a reporter asked Hillary what was the essential difference between her form of statism and Sanders' avowed socialism. Queen Cacklepants could only come up with a lame, "My policies are more practical" than Breadlines Bernie's. That was it. No disavowal of socialism or denunciation of its body count. That told me more about the Alinskyite Witch than about her rival.
"we want, hopefully, to elect a president who's going to try to bring us together,"
That's what the gulags are for.
At least Democrats are now admitting they have a real problem with Socialists in their ranks. That's progress. Wasn't that long ago, you'd be called a conspiracy theorist for suggesting that Socialists had any real influence in the Democratic Party.
Hillary's a shameless crony capitalist (as is Biden), and I don't want her (or Joe) wielding real power, but that doesn't make Bernie a better option.
"I just think people need to pay attention because we want, hopefully, to elect a president who's going to try to bring us together, and not either turn a blind eye, or actually reward the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior that we've seen from this current administration."
Insults like nobody likes him?
Behold the bridge builder.
No civility bullshit tag?
Remind me... why isn’t Hillary ahead by 50 points ?
Somebody must like Hillary, or she would have faded into the obscurity she deserves. Or maybe it's not personal - it's business.
From Wikipedia:
In the closed caucuses, candidates must meet a viability threshold of 15 percent within an individual precinct in order to be considered viable, with supporters of non-viable candidates then allowed to transfer their support to one of the remaining viable candidates or merge with another non-viable group in order to become viable.
So what we're essentially looking at here is "ranked choice voting" + pigheadedness. IOW, at an individual caucus you could have 10% Warren, 8% Bernie (or vice versa) and have the 8% join the 10%, or else tell the 10% "we hate your candidate. Come support us, or we're staying here (voting none of the above, but driving up the number of people needed for 15%) / leaving / switching to Biden / Kobucher / someone else".
It makes me want to attend, just to observe the group political interactions.
Moneyquote from hotair
"Hillary blamed her loss in 2016 on misogyny in remarks just two months ago. The threshold for this claim appears to be any time a male candidate criticizes a female competitor, which is self-serving at best and counterproductive at worst. How do voters take female candidates seriously while they claim that any criticism is misogynistic?
Chuck and his fellow members of "the mainstream of the GOP" are swimming around in circles in what the Deplorables might consider a rapidly drying up channel. But Brooks, Kristol, Will and Chuck will insist that it is the mainstream to their last gasp.
of course commissar sanders is more dangerous, that's not even arguable, the testimony of zampolit jurek, (sounds like a character from buck rogers) is indicative of this,
oh now it's coincidence,
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/385390.php
That's what the gulags are for.
1/21/20, 1:15 PM
Under Hillary, the gulags would be "happy, fun camps!"
https://reason.com/2015/03/19/hillary-clinton-wants-to-send-citizens-t/
Among Liawatha, Hillary, and Bernie, I would find it difficult to say which one I dislike more.
Liawatha- liar, schoolmarm presence. As I have a trace of Native American ancestry and have Oklahoma relatives with much more Native American ancestry than I, I particularly dislike her fake ancestry- especially since none of my relatives ever sought advantage over their ancestry.
Hillary- If she were Mrs. Hillary Smith, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Hillary, I find you deplorable for calling your political opponents deplorable.
Bernie. For a half century he has been telling us that most Americans are SO ignorant about Latin America, whereas HE is the authority we should listen to. I speak Spanish,have worked in Latin America, and have read and researched a lot more about Latin America than he has. I don't like being lectured to by a pretentious, ignorant blowhard.
narciso said...
oh now it's coincidence,
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/385390.php
1/21/20, 1:40 PM
Leftists are such nice people.
"But Brooks, Kristol, Will and Chuck will insist that it is the mainstream to their last gasp."
The delusion runs deep. According to Newsweek Poll in 2019, 88% of GOP supported Trump.
Yeah, Newsweek sucks and most polls are soft, but the few GOP types who continue to dislike Trump are mostly outliers.
Most politicians are egomaniacs- Trump included. Vote for the lesser evil.
Bob Dylan on politicians, from "I Shall Be Free."
Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote
He’s a-runnin’ for office on the ballot note
He’s out there preachin’ in front of the steeple
Tellin’ me he loves all kinds-a people
(He’s eatin’ bagels
He’s eatin’ pizza
He’s eatin’ chitlins
He’s eatin’ bullshit!)
So, she's a sore winner too. No surprise there.
"Nobody likes him and we are scared he is going to win.”
It’s like “Nobody goes there anymore, too crowded.” If you are not in their crowd, you are nobody.
This would be s particularly good place to remind everyone of the notion of the “Trump//Bernie” voter and the “Bernie/Trump” voter. As we all know, such voters exist. The question is, “Why?” “What set of policies do they believe in?”
There are, at the same time, Obama-then-Trump voters. Same questions.
This was part of a very ill-considered establishment democrat conspiracy to knife Bernie, but the issue isn't Bernie, it's his voters, who were already disaffected and just waiting in anticipatory aggrievement for something like this to happen, again.
Hillary has lied about a lot of people on national TV.
“What set of policies do they believe in?”
How about the policy that the United States Government not be mainly run for the benefit of generating maximum graft for insiders?
Bernie has been forced to repudiate his cross party positions, so that moment is gone. But there was a time when he was reasonable on immigration, gun control, Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws in the country, and ethanol requirements. Plus, his wife’s problems notwithstanding, I don’t think he is a crook, same as I don’t think Trump is a a crook, nor was Palin.
Guys like Chuck hate these people who won’t partake of graft and so are loose canons.
“If you don’t dip your beak once in a while, people don’t trust you.” - Duke from Doonesbury.
I wonder how Andrew Weissman-"republican" Chuck will justify his full adoption of the farthest of the farthest left lunatic legal opinions and how those marxist/power at all costs tactics contribute to "conserving conservatism".
Should be a hoot!
@DBQ - I pretty much agree completely with your assessment of Bernie Sanders. I also think he's very dangerous. Everything he has said and done strongly indicates that he's a true believer, an extreme idealogue for hard core Socialism and perhaps even straight communism (although I highly doubt he would ever admit to that). I can't say if he's just an utter idiot or a completely morally bankrupt villian or some combination of both, but either way he should be kept as far away as possible from any real power.
That he has so many young people ensorcelled is somewhat depressing and a little frightening too. Those two recent Project Veritas leaks confirm that he attracts some extremely dangerous sorts, characters who extole the virtues of gulags and violent revolution among other things.
I'd probably even choose Warren over Bernie (although it would be like choosing between some form of cancer and full blown AIDS).
Maybe I'm a hopeless optimist but I still believe that if Bernie ends up being the Dem nominee that it'll be a bloodbath for the Dems with Trump ending up easily winning not just the electoral college but also the popular vote by a large amount.
How about not pretending to protect our soldiers while we let the man masterminding assaults on them walk free in a war zone all the while we look the other way? That’s a policy. How about no more wars of regime change? That was Hillary’s thing. Biden will do the same as he will instantly be captive to the military industrial complex.
I think that the Democrats have become so unhinged from human decency after losing that I would no longer vote for any Democrat though. They want to claw back what they lost, rule of law and Democratic tradition be damned.
Takes one to know one, Hillary.
Every day that Hillary is not in office and has no real power over the citizenry is a good day.
Every day that Hillary salivates to acquire said power, but is deprived thereof, is a good day.
Every day that Hillary plots to acquire said power by hook or crook is a good day, but requires some minor precautions.
So, Hillary can have her little HULU documentary and the Obamas can have their little Netflix deals, and as long as they are out of power, is a good day.
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