November 15, 2019

"Well, Linda Tripp — remember, Clinton was impeached because of Linda Tripp’s testimony, which was complete hearsay!"/"Well, she was not under the desk with Monica. Let’s put it that way. So that’s hearsay."

Discussion of the hearsay rule on "The View."

76 comments:

Unknown said...

It's hard to believe, but back in the day TV political talk shows, which only existed on Sunday morning, consisted of sober journalists interviewing a range of dignitaries on key issues. No celebrities. No focus on one issue. Serious conversation by serious people on serious subjects.

How far we have fallen in....40 years?

MayBee said...

This weekend, I saw some pundit start trying this "hearsay is better than eyewitness accounts" argument. It's obviously something that's gone out as a talking point. The idea is supposed to be that eyewitness testimony is often unreliable. Which is true. So then we are supposed to not really think very hard, and come to the conclusion that hearsay may be more reliable than eyewitness testimony.

Dagwood said...

Wake me when they find Trump's dried semen on the collar of Zelensky's dark blue suit.

rehajm said...

I thought he was impeached for perjury to a grand jury and obstruction of justice.

Mattman26 said...

Yeah, it’s a cute point other than being completely false.

rehajm said...

We're often told he was impeached for extra marital sex. Make up our minds, please...

alanc709 said...

You couldn't pay me to watch that dreck. Amazing that people think The View is a valuable source of information. I guess our schools really do suck.

David Begley said...

We had the blue dress so that issue was not in doubt. As I recall, Linda’s testimony wasn’t whether the sexual acts occurred or not. It was along the lines of Monica’s actions and her state of mind.

Speaking of Monica and Bill, why no intercourse between the two? Why not go all the way? It must have been very unsatisfying for Monica.

MayBee said...

It must have been very unsatisfying for Monica.

IIRC, that's exactly how Clinton explained how what he did was not *sexual* harassment.

I can never keep track of whether what Clinton did to Monica was just sex, or if it was #MeToo.

Some Seppo said...

As they say in Sports, "Let's go to the tape"

See the caption under Linda Tripp's picture.

Lyle Smith said...

Who cares about hearsay when there was a dress? Who cares about hearsay when there is a transcript?

And LOL, one of them called these state Department guys “patriots”. That’s hearsay!

Tank said...

I thought he was impeached because of the aspirin shortage.

Temujin said...

Please...just make it stop.

Jersey Fled said...

I thought it was the Paula Jones case that got Bill impeached. You know, the government employee that he harassed? Or did that one just get him disbarred.

So hard to keep them all straight.

285exp said...

It wasn't hearsay-hearsay.

gilbar said...

IIRC, that's exactly how Clinton explained how what he did was not *sexual* harassment.

that was the 'depends what the meaning of is is'
as in: is sodomizing a girl having sexual relations

h said...

Probably everyone here knows that rehajm is correct. The four articles of impeachment were: lying under oath to a grand jury; lying under oath in a deposition in a civil suit; encouraging others to lie and mislead; refusing to cooperate with COngressional impeachment proceedings.

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/clinton_impeachment_articles.htm

Quayle said...

If I recall, Clinton was impeached because of his own false testimony. Linda Trip just led to the discovery of direct evidence of such, in the form of DNA.

Democracy dies in lazy thinking.

Steven said...

Clinton was impeached because of Monica Lewinsky's testimony, and physical evidence provided by Monica Lewinsky. Neither was hearsay.

And the evidence of Lewinsky's own perjury (in an affidavit in the Jones case) that was used to pressure her to testify was actual tape recordings of statements by Lewinsky (taken by Tripp). That was also not hearsay.

Francisco D said...

Wake me when they find Trump's dried semen on the collar of Zelensky's dark blue suit.

Thread winner!

narciso said...

Because the narrative, which doesnt require facts,

alanc709 said...

Isn't there also an exception to the hearsay rule, for statements against interest?

rehajm said...

I thought he was impeached because of the aspirin shortage.

Nice one.

mezzrow said...

That said, who here believes that Bill Clinton would not have won in 2000 had he been running for a second term? Make your case.

Michael K said...

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gerry said...

Whoopie looks wierd. I mean, really wierd.

I need to get out more, I guess.

Big Mike said...

No, no, NO! Clinton was impeached for committing felony perjury, and because of incontrovertible DNA evidence in contradiction of his claim, made under oath, not to have had sex with Monica Lewinsky. An investigation can begin due to hearsay, but conviction requires proof.

Earnest Prole said...

Her point is bullshit. Tripp taped her phone calls with Lewinsky, which means the evidence was not hearsay.

gilbar said...

That was FUN!
They talk about how there was THE REAL CHANNEL with Taylor, and The Patriots
And opposing them, was:
This WEIRD Channel, THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT, consisting of The President and his people

It's no longer "there isn't a Deep State"; it's they ARE THE REAL CHANNEL
as opposed to THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT, consisting of The President

narciso said...

Well thats an interesting notion, theaspirin factory narrative was spun by milt bearden who had ended up a lobbyist for sudan when he left? The company.

mockturtle said...

WTF does Whoopi have on her head??!!

Mark said...

Clinton's semen on a White House intern's dress, following his denials of improper sexual behavior generally, isn't hearsay.

Wince said...

When it came to the blue dress and the cigar, they overlook the "Excited Utterance" exception to the hearsay rule.

BADuBois said...

I've heard deep dark rumors that prisoners at Gitmo are forced to watch "The View" 24/7.... not sure if there are any group of people evil enough to do that, but if it works...

Bruce Hayden said...

“It wasn't hearsay-hearsay.”

In addition to the tape recordings, her testimony about what Lewinsky said to her probably was not hearsay because it wouldn't have been to show that Lewinsky had had the affair, but rather that Lewinsky had contemporaneously told her of such, corroborating her story. It was a present sense impression recorded, introduced to show that Lewinsky had said it, and not that it had actually happened. It very likely falls into one or more of the FRE 803 hearsay exceptions.

mockturtle said...

I've heard deep dark rumors that prisoners at Gitmo are forced to watch "The View" 24/7.... not sure if there are any group of people evil enough to do that, but if it works...

Didn't we pass some law against torture?

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

"Whoopie looks weird. I mean, really weird."

It's horribly heteronormative of me, but when discussing serious issues it really pays off to have a serious appearance and demeanor. The Wavy Gravy school of public debate has some profound shortcomings. Nevertheless, I delight in watching the ideological allies of the oddballs uncomfortably pretend that there's nothing unusual or off-putting about them.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

I don't think that's making the point they want to make.

Tripp's testimony was hearsay. It was also dismissed, by pretty much everyone, in part because it was hearsay. If that had been all she had it wouldn't have meant anything. The physical evidence was the only reason anything came of Tripp's accusations.

MadisonMan said...

Linda Tripp was mocked on SNL pretty mercilessly. John Goodman played her. I await a similar job on "the whistleblower".

wendybar said...

Ignorance is bliss...how The View is considered part of the ABC News division, when they don't know what the hell they are talking about, is beyond me. Clinton got impeached for lying, not for having sex with Monica.

MacMacConnell said...

No Linda Tripp wasn't there for the blow jobs or the cigars, but she had tapes of conversations with Monica, then there's the blue dress and Monica's testimony.

Dave Begley said...

Where is the blue dress? I think it should be in the Smithsonian.

Dave Begley said...

Washington Examiner, November 13, 2018.

"Monica Lewinsky said that she initially didn't realize a semen stain was left behind on her dress from her hook-up with then-President Bill Clinton, a dress she then wore out to dinner.

“I went to dinner that night. None of these people said to me, ‘Hey, you’ve got to go to the bathroom, you’ve got stuff all over your dress,’” Lewinsky said in the new A&E series, “The Clinton Affair,” according to the New York Post.

In her testimony in 1998, Lewinsky said she thought the marks on her dress “could be spinach dip or something.”

Yancey Ward said...

This is why the media has no respect- they lie relentlessly.

Tripp had recordings of her conversations with Lewinsky- so not hearsay.

Tripp had recordings of Lewinsky trying to suborn perjury.

As far as I know, Tripp never testified at the impeachment trial. I am still trying to confirm this, but even if Tripp did testify at the trial, she still had the recordings, so still not hearsay. Additionally, by that time, we already knew Clinton had lied about the affair because we also had his semen confirmed on Lewinsky's dress.

Yancey Ward said...

HoodlumDoodlum is correct- until Tripp came up with the recordings, no one took the story seriously. The same thing is happening now with the Ukraine Hoax.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

"I did not... have sexual relations... with that women."

The View hags - "We believe him!"

tim in vermont said...

These are the people who are smarter than us. They tell us so every day.

Will Cate said...

Monica Lewinsky also testified personally to Ken Starr, so The View's view is bunk...

AZ Bob said...

The hired gun for Schiff, Daniel Goldman, is doing all the testifying. I am listening to his questioning of Marie Yovanovitch and all his questions are calling for an answer of "yes." Of course, the media will say that her testimony was significant. But was it?

rcocean said...

Morons on parade. Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath. He committed perjury and tried to get others to commit perjury. Clinton was NOT convicted because of "Hearsay" - he was convicted because Ken Starr proved Clinton and Lewinsky had sex in the oval office, and had tried to get others to lie for him. Under oath. Tripp's notes and recollections, were confirmed by all the other evidence.

Here we have Bill Taylor saying a staffer told him that he "overhead" Trump say phrase in a cell phone call with Sondland in a Kiev restaurant. And both men deny they said it. Which bring up the question, why is Sondland talking to Trump in a kiev restaurant?

rcocean said...

This is zero question that Billy Bob lied under oath, committed perjury, and tried to get others to commit perjury. The Senate found him "Not Guilty" because they didn't have the guts to remove him.

The result is that we know have Bureaucrats and Pols lying to Congress or the FBI IG - under oath - and if they're D's then its "What the big deal?" and the DoJ refuses to prosecute.

rcocean said...

Whoopi, clean up on Aisle Nine! Bring your bucket, you already got the mop.

Richard Fagin said...

"The View" current hosts know about as much about hearsay as Rosie O'Donnell did about how the WTC buildings collapsed: "I do believe that it's the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel." Take their comments for the level of knowledge they've already demonstrated: none.

JAORE said...

The lies that are repeated endlessly by the "media" on the left are legion. Only about sex. Not a single scandal. Hands up, don't shoot. Trump called the KKK good people.

Debunked time and time again. Only to rise like a phoenix from the crap heap.

PB said...

Her answering machine tape. Check
Monica kept he up to date on the "big creep". Check.
Monica told her about the blue dress. Check.

All direct witness testimony.

buwaya said...

Some of their guests should ask about that creature on her head.
Is it friendly?
Does it play with string?
What does it eat?
Is it integrated into her forebrain?

Big Mike said...

Speaking of hearsay, I have heard from someone who heard from someone else, who may know something, that Whoopi Goldberg gets her jollies by violating adolescent virgin girls with frozen popsicles. Lock her up! We don’t need proof!

buwaya said...

Maybe someone should ask to pet it.

mockturtle said...

TCER observes: It's horribly heteronormative of me, but when discussing serious issues it really pays off to have a serious appearance and demeanor. The Wavy Gravy school of public debate has some profound shortcomings. Nevertheless, I delight in watching the ideological allies of the oddballs uncomfortably pretend that there's nothing unusual or off-putting about them.

The Emperor's New Clothes was published in 1837 but I'm sure this behavior is as old as civilization. And perhaps predates it.

mockturtle said...

Buwaya suggests: Maybe someone should ask to pet it.

LOL! ;-D

sy1492 said...

You tell the stain on the blue dress that it was hearsay.

cubanbob said...

mezzrow said...
That said, who here believes that Bill Clinton would not have won in 2000 had he been running for a second term? Make your case.

11/15/19, 8:21 AM"

Bush 41 was elected as the third Reagan term. Gore ran as the third Clinton term. He lost and he lost to George W Bush who was portrayed as a rich moron. In 2000 Bubba was past his sell by date.

walter said...

Powdered wig?

tim in vermont said...

"Some of their guests should ask about that creature on her head.”

Don Jr mopped the floor with it.

Achilles said...

walter said...
Powdered wig?

Combination of dreadlocks and hair dye.

Jim at said...

It's hard to believe, but back in the day TV political talk shows, which only existed on Sunday morning, consisted of sober journalists interviewing a range of dignitaries on key issues. No celebrities. No focus on one issue. Serious conversation by serious people on serious subjects.

And on the flip side, late-night television (with an occasional exception) consisted of entertainers, comedians, authors and musical talent.

Now, they're filled to the gills with politicians and pundits spewing stupid shit.

PM said...

It's just an old colon. A boomer thing.

Ken B said...

Wow, talking heads on The View spouting nonsense. Whodathunkit?
Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, on direct evidence of those lies.

Francisco D said...

I wonder who the audience is for The View. The hosts are remarkably dumb and obnoxious. Who wants to watch that crap?

I suspect that some non-political women are entertained by the verbal bullying from Whoopie and Behar. It's sort of like reliving 8th Grade bullying, but as an observer.

hombre said...

Stupid fodder for stupid viewers. Clinton was impeached for real crimes including perjury.

Robert Catesby said...

President Clinton was impeached because he committed a felony ... in a room full of lawyers ... in front on a judge ... on video tape.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Clinton was NOT convicted because of "Hearsay" - he was convicted because Ken Starr proved Clinton and Lewinsky had sex in the oval office...

Wow. Go Ken Starr. That sounds like an accomplishment as impressive as pulling off the moon landing. The fact that you as a Republican said the above is a testament to how ridiculous the party is.

But I get it. When you're party is rife with wrestling coaches committing sex crimes that prey on kids like Foley, Jordan, Hastert, etc. do, it must be really important to pretend that you're the consensual sex crimes police. Very important to look busy.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

President Clinton was impeached because he committed a felony ... in a room full of lawyers ... in front on a judge ... on video tape.

The dictionary says you're wrong, but I guess since it wasn't ghost-written by Tony Schwartz for Donald Trump then its veracity must be doubted.

narciso said...

its the designated network in idiocracy, ken starr was a distinguished appellate attorney, regarded so well they had him vet bob packwoods diaries, dan moldea who went to work for larry flynt, once had a book project about mob involvement in professional football shepherded through the courts, by ken starr,that had been only six years before,

sdharms said...

no, sweetie Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath.

Linda Tripp repeated what a direct actor told her. THat is not hearsay. Does this woman have a law degree or is she AOC.

Bilwick said...

"no, sweetie Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath." Remember. sdharms, "liberals" are currently the stupidest, most dishonest people on the planet. You have to be pretty dumb to believe the mélange of magical thinking economics, idiot-level "logic," and plain old State cultism that they believe; or pretty dishonest to pretend to believe in it.