November 17, 2019

"Cups are used for quenching thirst across a wide range of cultures and social classes, and different styles of cups may be used for different liquids or in different situations."

"Cups of different styles may be used for different types of liquids or other foodstuffs (e.g. teacups and measuring cups), in different situations (e.g. at water stations or in ceremonies and rituals), or for decoration.... Cups are an obvious improvement on using cupped hands or feet to hold liquids. They have almost certainly been used since before recorded history, and have been found at archaeological sites throughout the world. Prehistoric cups were sometimes fashioned from shells and hollowed out stones.... There is an evidence that the Roman Empire may have spread the use of cups throughout Europe, with notable examples including silver cups in Wales and a color-changing glass cup in ancient Thrace...."

I'm reading the Wikipedia entry "Cup."

I was contemplating cups as I was out running this morning, mainly because a familiar song lyric with the word "cup" came up again on my November-sunrise-running playlist, and I often get hung up on the idea in that song and in 2 other songs I've liked for a long time. Maybe it was the endorphins, but I got to imagining writing an entire book about cups and could see all the chapter headings. Back home at my desk, following my standard sitting-at-a-desk approach to exploring a sprawling concept, I looked up the word on Wikipedia.

I love the line "Cups are an obvious improvement on using cupped hands or feet to hold liquids." That slight deviation from Wikipedia flatness — "obvious" — amuses me. And then there are the 2 words that are so weird I didn't even see them on first read: "or feet."

What's the color-changing glass cup from Thrace? — you may wonder. It's the Lycurgus Cup — "a 4th-century Roman glass cage cup made of a dichroic glass, which shows a different colour depending on whether or not light is passing through it: red when lit from behind and green when lit from in front":

 

That's King Lycurgus who tries to kill Ambrosia after Ambrosia turned into a vine that twined itself around the king. The king eventually dies (in this myth) and Dionysus laughs at him.

Yes — I am answering unheard questions — my unwritten book includes the communion cup and the  cups in tarot cards. Yes, I have thought of bra cups and the World Cup and other trophies.

The song on my playlist was "Full Measure" by the Lovin' Spoonful, which begins: "The full measure of your giving/You don't yet understand/A cupful of living/That you hold in your hand." The other 2 "cup" songs are "Across the Universe" ("Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup, they slither wildly as they slip away across the universe") and "Danny's Song" ("Love the girl who holds the world in a paper cup/Drink it up...").

If you're like me, you're wondering whether the Lovin' Spoonful cup was — like the "Across the Universe" cup and the "Danny's Song" cup — a paper cup.

Notice that all 3 songs visualize the cup as containing grand and exalted space — life, the universe, the world. Thus, this post gets my #1 all-time favorite tag, "big and small." And I'm making a new tag now — "cups" — and will add it retroactively, so wait an hour and click it, if you enjoy the random delights of the archive. While you're waiting, why not have a drink? Use a cup. It's obviously better than cupping your hands or your feet.

73 comments:

tcrosse said...

There was a guy in our department who had played in the NFL for a season or two. He claimed that playing football taught him valuable lessons for getting along in the corporate world. Like what, I asked one day. "Wear your cup at all times" was his reply.

rcocean said...

Yeah, don't we all use our FEET to drink? There's a Drinking Feat but no feet to to drink.

Anyway, I like cups too. Although i hate paper cups, it reminds me of the bad coffee, i hate to drink in college.

Ken B said...

The pellet with the poison is in the flagon with the dragon
The chalice from the palace has the brew that is true

rcocean said...

One of the more ridiculous things about soccer is the way the players CUP their hands over their balls to protect them during a free kick. It looks very wimpy, but then so does jumping and hugging each other after a goal.

rehajm said...

Now red solo cup is the best receptacle
For barbecues, tailgates, fairs and festivals
And you, sir, do not have a pair of testicles
If you prefer drinkin' from glass

Hey, red solo cup is cheap and disposable
In fourteen years they are decomposable
And unlike my home they are not foreclosable
Freddie Mac can kiss my ass, woo!

Now I really love how you're easy to stack
But I really hate how you're easy to crack
'Cause when beer runs down in front of my pack
Well, that, my friends, is quite yucky

But I have to admit that the ladies get smitten
Admirin' at how sharply my first name is written
On you with a Sharpie when I get to hittin'
On them, to help me get lucky

Now I've seen you in blue and I've seen you in yellow
But only you red will do for this fellow
'Cause you are the Abbott into my Costello
And you are the Fruit to my Loom
(Here we go now!)

Red solo cup, you're more than just plastic
you're more than amazing, you're more than fantastic
And believe me that I'm not the least bit sarcastic
When I look at you and say,
"Red solo cup, you're not just a cup (No, no, God, no)
You're my—you're my friend, yeah (Lifelong)
Thank you for being my friend."

Proceed to party...

rcocean said...

Are Beer Steins and Mugs considered Cups? Oddly, Beer steins were actually made out of stone before glass became cheap enough.

tcrosse said...

In the interest of completeness, let us not forget Irv Kupcinet, popularly known as Kup.

Ann Althouse said...

@rehajm

If you click the tag "cups" — which is ready to click now — you'll find an old post about that song.

gilbar said...

as i was reading your post, i kept thinking "Holy Grail"
when you got to the part about bra cups, my (previously) teen-aged mind made strange connections

Bill Peschel said...

Just to be different, saw "Yesterday" last night, about a failing musician who time-travels to a world where he remembers the Beatles but no one else. Charming movie by the guy (Richard Curtis) who did Notting Hill, which was also about fame's effect on a relationship, and the second banana is also a tall, skinny weird bloke.

No cups, so far as I can recall.

Rick.T. said...

Why do you build me up (build me up) Buttercup, baby
Just to let me down (let me down) and mess me around
And then worst of all (worst of all) you never call, baby
When you say you will (say you will) but I love you still
I need you (I need you) more than anyone, darlin'
You know that I have from the start
So build me up (build me up) Buttercup, don't break my heart

Wince said...

"Try to catch the deluge in a paper cup"

Don't Dream it's Over

There is freedom within, there is freedom without
Try to catch the deluge in a paper cup

There's a battle ahead, many battles are lost
But you'll never see the end of the road
While you're traveling with me

Hey now, hey now
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won't win

Now I'm towing my car, there's a hole in the roof
My possessions are causing me suspicion but there's no proof
In the paper today tales of war and of waste
But you turn right over to the T.V. page

Now I'm walking again to the beat of a drum
And I'm counting the steps to the door of your heart
Only shadows ahead barely clearing the roof
Get to know the feeling of liberation and release

Don't let them win (hey now, hey now, hey now, hey now)
Hey now, hey now
Don't let them win (they come, they come)

chickelit said...

I have an antique lustreware cup and matching saucer which I'm trying to learn more about. It's a bit of a family heirloom, handed down on my dad's side. It's porcelain and mostly pink in color with a lot of gilded edging. When I got it, no one knew much about it. My first impression was that it's ugly, but I recently learned how that finish was all the rage in mid 19th century when potters relearned how to glaze with precious metal salts and then reductively fire the piece to deposit the metal(s). The potter's marks are scant and of little help.

Maillard Reactionary said...

Let us not forget about the cups that football players wear, or the cups that we are sometimes seen in.

Not noted by Wikipedia is that cups are also an obvious improvement over trying to consume liquids with chopsticks, even though in many situations chopsticks are an improvement over eating with your hands (or feet).

A cup for liquids is a sort of a local potential energy minimum that you can carry around with you.

IgnatzEsq said...

I know you are not big into the video games, but you may want to read and see a little of the art & styling behind Cuphead.

Quaestor said...

The cup, or some form of the cup, presumably preceded the glass since ceramics and metalworking predate construction in glass. The first cup was probably made from an ostrich egg since such eggs are reasonably plentiful in eastern Africa and many bushmen peoples still use ostrich eggs as drinking vessels and as a means to store water in underground caches. As humans migrated from Africa cups were made from such perishable materials as animal horn and bone — bone as in skulls, human and otherwise. Paleoindians in eastern North America made vessels that could either serve as bowls or cups from soapstone. It's about 8,000 BC before ceramic cups appear in the archeological record, and about 4,000 BC when copper vessels show up in Egyptian tombs. The first metal drinking vessels were probably made of gold, but the earliest golden cups have likely been lost to thieves or being repurposed in antiquity as have most examples of the earliest uses of gold.

Since Althouse is fascinated by words I'd would ask her a question that has troubled me for years. Back when those huge pedestal dictionaries were common I accidentally found a word for those metallic glass holders often used to serve tea in Russia, such as this. The word also applies to the metal stands used to hold those conical paper cups formerly used to serve ice cream and fountain drinks. I promptly forgot the word since it wasn't important to me at the time, but it started with Z.

Michael said...

Here inside my paper cup
Everything is looking up.

That's all I remember. Same song or a different one?

Mark said...

Was there the idea in that entry that people today are so dim that they really need that level of description? Or was the entry written by some high schooler trying to pad his term paper?

buwaya said...

Cups are indeed interesting.
The concept was independently developed in the Americas, for instance, without cultural influence from Eurasia. So also was pottery, among many other things. Some ideas seem natural, inevitable.

The much more specialized idea of cups made out of ones enemies' skulls is also a surprisingly cross-cultural concept, also independently imagined many times.

Quaestor said...

Ken B. writes: The pellet with the poison is in the flagon with the dragon.

True... But formerly the pellet with the poison was in the vessel with the pestle.

Birkel said...

Anna Kendrick's version of "When I'm Gone" was called "Cups" and it is catchy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cmSbXsFE3l8

Birkel said...

And the "Red Solo Cup" by Toby Keith:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKZqGJONH68

buwaya said...

Its a bit surprising that so little has been done about merchandising Russian tea culture. Samovars and glasses and holders and the like. All this equipment! Its a natural for decorative merch and one-upmanship. Its also a natural for market-segmentation through pseudo epicurian authority, as with coffee culture, or so much else.

Speaking as one who considers instant coffee the epitome of coffee tech. The convenience! The simplicity! No equipment! Just - a cup.

Ann Althouse said...

If you're helping me add to my list of songs, it's limited to songs where the cup has some kind of symbolic or metaphorical meaning. If you search for song lyrics, the #1 hit is likely to be something utterly concrete like "The Java Song":

I love coffee, I love tea
I love the java jive and it loves me
Coffee and tea and the java and me
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup (boy!)

That comes up in searches because they say "cup" 4 times in a row just to beat you over the head with it. I'd put that song on my list of Songs With a Word Said Repeatedly (e.g., "bird is the word").

Quaestor said...

buwaya writes: It's a bit surprising that so little has been done about merchandising Russian tea culture...

But what's the damned z-word?

Birkel said...

The singing in the Anna Kendrick video starts at about 1:20 of that link.

Gulistan said...

I was just listening to the Dolly Parton podcast that Jad Abumrod (sp.) from RadioLab is doing and they were talking about that opening line in her song 9 to 5 “stumble out of bed and stumble to the kitchen, pour myself a cup of ambition...” which had me thinking about cups quite independently. She thought it would be a cup of coffee and then was quite pleased when she came up with the ambition lyric.

Automatic_Wing said...

Gimme a little drink of your lovin' cup

Quaestor said...

buwaya writes: The concept was independently developed in the Americas, for instance, without cultural influence from Eurasia.

Are you implying hunters from Asia (or Solutreans from the Iberian peninsula) made it to the Western Hemisphere using only their hands to drink?

buwaya said...

Its right in Wikipedia, a Podstakannik.

buwaya said...

Yes, why not? How many real hunters in the field, today, carry a cup?
Did the Australopithecines or Homo Erectus carry cups?

chickelit said...

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty
If your cup is full may it be again
Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of men


~Robert Hunter

Quaestor said...

Podstakannik

That's the Russian word. The z-word is an English loan word borrowed from a Romance language, and it's more generalized in the application.

chickelit said...

@Quaestor: It so happens that I'm repairing my old Webster's 3rd -- the kind with the little illustrations embedded in the text. I just leafed through the Z's and didn't see an cup holder words. I'll check the text next.

Michael K said...

Stirrup cups were for a drink of brandy before riding off to the hunt. It cannot be set down so you had to finish the drink before riding.

My wife buys red plastic cups by the 100 and uses them for her black iced coffee. She makes fresh coffee every morning, fills two cups and puts them in the freezer.

richlb said...

He chose.... Poorly.

Quaestor said...

Did the Australopithecines or Homo Erectus carry cups?

See my first comment.

Anthropologists aren't certain that pre-humans hunted. However, it is evident that H. erectus crossed considerable streches of waterless wastes to colonize Eurasia, either by hiking directly through deserts or by following coastlines. Either way, such travels necessitated the transport of drinking water. In any case there no evidence for your claim of independent invention of the cup in the New World.

Quaestor said...

Stirrup cups were for a drink of brandy before riding off to the hunt.

We drank a blend of brandy and port called "fox blood".

Quaestor said...

chickelit... As I recall, it was an OED I was reading, and the entry had no illustration.

john evans said...

I used to be happy with a red solo cup until I saw one of these rhytons in a museum in Turkmenistan. Now my goal is to someday own one of these.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gingerpete/7954225988

John henry said...

It's amazing what 2 girls can get up to with one cup.

John Henry

Quaestor said...

Another possible first cup could have been a gourd. Gourds are native to Africa. However, once out of Africa the earliest human residents of Eurasia must have improvised a substitute material for cups, horn most likely, since gourds weren't cultivated before the Neolithic Age.

rcocean said...

Touch not the cup, it is death to thy soul;
 Touch not the cup, touch not the cup;
Many I know who have quaffed from that bowl;
 Touch not the cup, touch it not.
Little they thought that the demon was there,
Blindly they drank and were caught in the snare;
Then of that death-dealing bowl, O, beware,
 Touch not the cup, touch it not.

Quaestor said...

How many real hunters in the field, today, carry a cup?

Most real hunters in the field today carry a plastic bottle or some form of flask or canteen. !Kung hunters carry a canteen made from an ostrich egg.

Fernandinande said...

Dixie Cups Iko Iko.

If there are 48 Loving Spoonfuls per cup, are there now sixty-four thousand eight hundred and ninety-six guitar pickers in Nashville? No.

SeanF said...

Quaestor, it wasn't zarf, was it? Although that apparently comes from Arabic, which isn't a romance language.

chickelit said...

@Quaestor: Sorry the delay -- I had to finish prepping breakfast and then consume it.

My Webster's 3rd has no synonym for Podstakannik beginning with Z. The closest word I found was zucchetto which derives from the word gourd and is a RC skullcap.

chickelit said...

"Zarf" isn't in Webster's 3rd but it sounds like a match!

chickelit said...

A zucchetto looks like the beanie in Fernandistein's avatar.

Quaestor said...

Zarf!
Zarf!
ZARF!

The long lost Z-WORD! Hurrah!

Blessings on thee, chickelit!

(Now for that Holy Grail thingy...)

Quaestor said...

Blessings upon thee as well, SeanF.

(Sorry for getting the accolades out of the order of precedence.)

SeanF said...
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SeanF said...

Delete my snarky comment. You're welcome, Quaestor. :)

Barry Dauphin said...

All you need is a cup or a mug or a stein or a chalice or a goblet or a tankard or a canteen or a vessel of any kind. Fill it with your favorite liquid. I like coffee. And join me for the simultaneous sip.

Quaestor said...

Zarf. What an absurd sounding mostly useless word. But it's my favorite word going forward. I must endeavor to use it daily.

"How do you like your martini, Mister Quaestor?" said Miss Goodthighs
"Shaken, not stirred." (Returns his Walther PPK to its shoulder holster.) "And served in a zarf."

"The victim fell, or was pushed, from that thirtieth-floor balcony up there. The body made a curious sound hitting the pavement."
"What was that?"
"Zarf!"

"Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the zarf."

SayAahh said...

My Cup Runneth Over

Hebrew Bible Psalm 23:5

Anne in Rockwall, TX said...

I always enjoy clicking tags and reading back. It's tons of fun seeing the evolution of Althouse and the commentariat.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

When I lived in Alaska an archaeological site was uncovered on the North Slope in which an entire family, their habitation and all of their belongings were preserved when a floe of sea ice collapsed on them. The site was dated at 9000 years old.
Among their belongings was a copper bowl that by its chemical composition was determined to have come from the Caucusus mountains, some 5000 miles away. I assume it was their most prized possession.

I hate those stupid Verify pictures.

Oh crap. Now I didn't hit publish fast enough and I have to do it again.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

Cups are good and useful, and some are beautiful. I’m glad some genius invented them

Megaera said...

Functionality: consider the related word "vessel", meaning something designed to keep a fluid in -- or to keep it out.

daskol said...

In two girls, one cup, a cup is used for...well, you have to see it. Cupping, the use of heated cups as a traditional medical treatment, leaves perfect, circular hickies on people. When I lived in the Far East ages ago, I saw all these people with perfect, red disks dotting their backs, and I thought they had some terrible pox. I finally saw "cupping" being applied on the street: a small glass cup with some fuel in it is lit, burns for a few moments, and is then put right on the skin, where the suction fills the cup with your flesh. Never tried it.

Quaestor said...

The devolution of the zarf:

From this...

To this.

D 2 said...

Loving Cup is the 4th best song off Exiles, 5th best song if they had put on Plundered my Soul, which is a travesty that it wasn't.

... and it is a damn fine song. It might have been the best song for most other bands. Can't believe no reference yet in a "cup" post

D 2 said...

My Apologies to Automatic Wing who got there first. Missed seeing the link.

traditionalguy said...

I'll stick to "a double shot of my baby's love."

rcocean said...

Hillary has martini sex with men.

She's shaken - but not stirred.

rcocean said...

I tried Brandy - just for the Snifter.

But found out I didn't like Brandy. So, I got another girlfriend.

Anonymous said...

The Farnese Cup has the greatest provenance of any object, ever, recounted in one of Wikipedia’s better paragraphs: “After Octavian's conquest of Egypt in 31 BC, the Farnese Cup was possibly acquired by the Treasury of Rome; according to some, it was only made after the Romans took Egypt. It seems it was later taken to Byzantium, then back west after this city was sacked in 1204 during the Fourth Crusade. By 1239 it was in the court of Frederick II,[5] from which it then reached the Persian court of Herat or possibly Samarkand, where a contemporary drawing documents it;[6] thence it found its way to the court of Alfonso of Aragon in Naples, where Angelo Poliziano saw it in 1458. Lorenzo the Magnificent finally purchased the famous "scutella di calcedonio" in Rome, in 1471. From there it came into the possession of the Farnese family through Margaret of Austria and thus into the Naples National Archaeological Museum[1]”

Maillard Reactionary said...

Quaestor @4:07: Your second zarf is not so bad when it's loaded with homemade warm potato chips, accompanied with a flagon of ale at a good brewpub like the Triumph in Princeton.

When I was 10 or 11, I'd go to the local drugstore and get a hand-made chocolate milkshake served in a paper cone sitting in a zarf. It cost $0.35.

There was enough milkshake in the stainless steel vessel to fill the cone a second time. [Nostalgic sigh]

Michael said...

Drink to me only with thine eyes
and I will pledge with mine.
Or leave a kiss but in the cup
and I'll not ask for wine.

J L Oliver said...

But will you go all the way to cauldrons?

RobinGoodfellow said...

“ Blogger Ken B said...
The pellet with the poison is in the flagon with the dragon
The chalice from the palace has the brew that is true”

That's so five minutes ago!
The pellet with the poison’s in the vessel with the pestle
The chalice from the palace has the brew that is true

Bilwick said...

I prefer C cups, but hey--that's me.