October 3, 2019

"Trump Publicly Urges China to Investigate the Bidens/President Trump made a similar, but private, request of the president of Ukraine, an episode that has sparked an impeachment inquiry."

The NYT reports.
“China should start an investigation into the Bidens,” Mr. Trump said Thursday as he left the White House to travel to Florida.... The call for China to investigate Mr. Biden and his son Hunter’s business dealings there came as the first witness appeared on Capitol Hill to be interviewed by House investigators as part of an impeachment inquiry into the president’s request in a phone call for help from President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.

Mr. Trump has defended his conversation with Mr. Zelensky as “perfect” even after a reconstructed transcript of the call was released that showed him seeking help from Ukraine in investigating the Bidens. And he doubled down on his request on Thursday....

“I would say that President Zelensky, if it were me, I would recommend that they start an investigation into the Bidens,” Mr. Trump said. “Because nobody has any doubt that they weren’t crooked.”...
I think Trump's statement (about Zelensky) is an effort to clarify something that seemed evasive in his remarks from the Oval Office yesterday. Reuters White House correspondent Jeff Mason asked, "What do you or what did you want President Zelensky to do with regard to Joe and Hunter Biden?" And Trump rambled without answering the question asked, then got super-defensive when the reporter repeated the unanswered question:
Q What did you want about Biden? What did you want him to look into on Biden?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Look, Biden and his son are stone-cold crooked. And you know it. His son walks out with millions of dollars. The kid knows nothing. You know it, and so do we. Go ahead. Ask a question now.

Q The question, sir, was: What did you want President Zelensky to do about Vice President Biden and his son, Hunter?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Are you talking to me?

Q Yeah. It was a just a follow-up of what I just asked you, sir.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: (Inaudible) finish with me. Listen. Listen. Are you ready? We have the President of Finland. Ask him a question.

Q I have one for him. I just wanted to follow up on the one that I asked you, which was —

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Did you hear me?

Q — what did you want him to —

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Did you hear me?

Q Yes, sir.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Ask him a question.

Q I will, but —

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I’ve given you a long answer. Ask this gentleman a question. Don’t be rude.

Q No, sir. I don’t want to be rude. I just wanted you to have a chance to answer the question that I asked you.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I’ve answered everything.
Wrong.*
It’s a whole hoax. And you know who’s playing into the hoax? People like you and the fake news media that we have in this country. And I say, in many cases, the “corrupt media” — because you’re corrupt. Much of the media in this country is not just fake, it’s corrupt. And you have some very fine people, too — great journalists, great reporters. But, to a large extent, it’s corrupt and it’s fake. Ask the President of Finland a question, please.

Q Okay. I’ll move on now....
That was very awkward, and I said out loud as I heard it in real time: "He didn't answer the question about Biden." I hated the abuse of the reporter who was completely correct to bring Trump back to the original question and not let him get away with just blabbing long enough that casual listeners forget the question. So I think, listening to today's statement, that Trump knew he hadn't answered Mason properly, and he needed to nail the exactly right answer. That's what we have today: "I would say that President Zelensky, if it were me, I would recommend that they start an investigation into the Bidens."

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* Picture me leaning into a microphone and saying "wrong" like this:

82 comments:

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The media collective Democrat Party alliance insists, without inquiry or evidence, that Hunter Biden did NOTHING wrong.

rhhardin said...

Double down against idiocy.

Yancey Ward said...

He is daring the media to say it is debunked that Hunter Biden traveled to China with his father and came back with over a billion dollars of Chinese government money to "manage" and off which to earn fees. I am absolutely certain the media will take the bait.

Mike Sylwester said...

The Trump-hating mass media do not want to report about the Bidens' corrupt activities in Ukraine and China, but Trump is making them do so.

rhhardin said...

Somebody's paying Biden's kid, and that's a payoff for something. So there's corruption that falls within the concerns of Ukraine, not only by treaty with the US.

Hagar said...

I loved Putin's response when some idiot reporter asked if he was planning to interfere in the 2020 U.S. elections: Of course we are... but don't tell anybody!

rhhardin said...

The overall question is what happened in the 2016 campaign that wound up as a false attack on Trump lasting 3 years. Barr is looking into it, and would like information sources.

Ralph L said...

Future historians will have a fun time with the Trump years, assuming there are any open-minded ones left.

I'm sure the Commies will tell us whom they've bribed and blackmailed the last few decades. He'll have better luck getting the Indonesians to spill on the Riady family conduit for Chinese money to the Clintons in the 90's.

Ken B said...

“even after”

Uh huh. Talk about slanted and tendentious.

Ken B said...

THIS is how you say wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFlUCr42qzI

hombre said...

China is almost as corrupt as the Democrats and depends on them to facilitate its world domination. Who knows what Trump's expectations are from this, but it is not an investigation by the Chinese.

Ralph L said...

Wasn't that Michael Kinsley's other drop of wisdom? The real scandal is what's legal in official Washington.

rhhardin said...

You want to go after Biden so that the cost of being a corrupt politician goes up for all corrupt politicians. That stirs a lot of resistance in DC.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Trump desperately needs real dirt on the Bidens from Ukraine or China. That’s his best shot at vindication, proof that he was right all along. Otherwise he is beginning to look like Captain Queeg.

But imagine what price they can extract for that dirt!

Amadeus 48 said...

I'm glad Trump clarified this. How does Biden go over to China with his son and come back with $1 billion for Cokey Widowschtup to manage?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Yancey Ward said...

Left Bank wrote:

"Trump desperately needs real dirt on the Bidens from Ukraine or China."

The dirt is out in the open, LBotC. Do you really believe the money given to Hunter Biden by Burisma and the Chinese had anything to do with his talents or qualifications, and not everything to do with who his father was?

cubanbob said...

Left Bank of the Charles said...
Trump desperately needs real dirt on the Bidens from Ukraine or China. That’s his best shot at vindication, proof that he was right all along. Otherwise he is beginning to look like Captain Queeg.

But imagine what price they can extract for that dirt!"

Snark aside, do tell us how it just so happens that Hunter Biden, a man of no known talents and accomplishments other than being the son of the then Vice President of the US happens to get the Chinese to give him one billion to manage and the Ukrainians to pay him fifty grand a month. If you can't, then at least have the decency to admit you don't care how corrupt Biden is (and by extension Obama whose blessing Biden would have needed) as long as it advances the Democrat Party. Funny how those who were screaming Trump is making money blah, blah, blah Emoluments Clause!! are now saying move along, nothing to see with Dirty Quid Pro Joe.

Sebastian said...

So, what did the Chinese get, or expect to get, from their investment in Hunter B.?

Yancey Ward said...

I wrote the other day that I wouldn't have taken any of this money were I in Hunter Biden's shoes if only because it would look like a bribe to anyone with a brain, and that my father might well be expected to pay off on it by my employers or pay off it off on his own initiative. And yet Hunter Biden took the money, and Biden is quite clearly lying about not knowing he took it. When you add in the fired prosecutor himself saying under oath that he fired for exactly this reason, then you have a cause for an investigation in both countries' cases.

Original Mike said...

"Trump desperately needs real dirt on the Bidens from Ukraine or China."

Was Hunter not paid $50k/month by the Ukrainian gas company? Did he and his business associates not get $1.5 billion from the Chinese? Frankly, I'm not paying a lot of attention to this, so maybe the answers are 'No', but if they're 'Yes', how much more "real" dirt do you need?

Jim at said...

Biden's corruption? A-OK.
Investigating Biden's corruption? Impeachable offense.

Stop the world. I want off.

gspencer said...

See, the Democrat trickery on impeachment has no substance as we have a form-over-substance example.

Trump calls for a public investigation of Biden via the public airways, Twitter, and so forth. No problem.

He does it in a phone call. Big problem.

narayanan said...

,,,Mr. Trump has defended his conversation with Mr. Zelensky as “perfect” ,,,

(trap for the crazies - he mumblethought to himself)

ambisinistral said...

"Look, Biden and his son are stone-cold crooked. And you know it. His son walks out with millions of dollars. The kid knows nothing. You know it, and so do we. Go ahead. Ask a question now."

Ann -- you think that's not an answer to the question?

The reported asked, "What did you want about Biden? What did you want him to look into on Biden?" Trump clearly lays out the problem -- Biden's son got a large amount of money for doing nothing and his father had to have known. Trump's quite right to blow the reported off for asking it again in an attempt to get a better sound byte.

Yancey Ward said...

Original Mike,

Hunter Biden did get this money- the Bidens have never denied this, so it is established fact. And it is all but certain that Joe Biden lied about not knowing any of this- he basically said that his son kept him in the dark, but even Hunter Biden contradicted this, it is just that Joe lied without knowing his son had already admitted it to a friendly journalist. Joe Biden is just reckless with the things he says publicly- I don't think he has the ability to keep the lies straight and consistent with public information- maybe he never had such an ability, but he definitely doesn't have it now.

Hagar said...

One problem with the claim that Trump pressured Zelensky about the Bidens is that the Ukrainians say they did not know there had been a hold on their proposed weapons purchase until a month later.
Apparently the White House hold was about an internal Washington dispute and not about the Ukrainian side at all?

narayanan said...

hombre said... China is almost as corrupt as the Democrats and depends on them to facilitate its world domination. Who knows what Trump's expectations are from this, but it is not an investigation by the Chinese.
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may force MSM to report China leadership is not-Dictator !with support quote from Bloomberg! - but just like Democrat Party >>> both have people welfare at heart and are responsive to stake holders!!

Original Mike said...

Yancey - Thanks. Somebody needs to tell Left Bank. He's clearly not getting it from his news sources.

Richard Dolan said...

I suppose the upside of the current Inside-the-Beltway craziness is that it keeps all of them from doing anything substantive. You know how that would turn out.

In that regard, insane impeachment inquiries are almost as protective of the public welfare as banning air conditioning in all government offices would be.

Original Mike said...

"If you can't, then at least have the decency to admit you don't care how corrupt Biden is (and by extension Obama whose blessing Biden would have needed) as long as it advances the Democrat Party."

I'm sure the "press" will ask Obama about this. Any day now...

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

There is a montage of all sorts of DNC hack media elites INSISTING there is no evidence Hunter Biden did anything wrong.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The idea that fathers and sons don't discuss business is ludicrous.

The idea that Hunter Biden flew on AirForce 2 to China with his dad and to Ukraine with his dad, and they didn't discuss business? Laughable.

LA_Bob said...

Reuters White House correspondent Jeff Mason asked, "What do you or what did you want President Zelensky to do with regard to Joe and Hunter Biden?"

Yes, I think Trump muffed this one. The answer should have been fairly simple. After all, it's in the transcript:

"...There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me...."

He wanted Zelensky to "look into it". Literally, that's all.

We can (and will) argue endlessly over whether this was appropriate. Whether "look into it" is code for "get me the dirt" is speculation. Here Trump's supporters take him literally, and his opponents take him seriously (malevolently).

Two questions:

1) Were Biden not a candidate for president, would anything Trump asked for be wrong?

2) Were Biden not a candidate for president, would Trump have brought Biden up at all?

The first question should have a reasonable answer. The answer to the second question can only be conjecture.

Calypso Facto said...

Remember when NBC paid Chelsea Clinton $600,000 for softball stories during the run-up to her mother's campaign? Remember when U. Chicago paid Michelle Obama $300,000 for a no-show, community affairs job? Sure, Hunter Biden was a well-paid whore for influence on his father, but the real outrage is that it's the STATUS QUO in Washington.

Trump asking for these countries to investigate this corruption is not only a farcical reason for impeachment, it's the exact kind of swamp-draining he promised and we need.

Michael K said...

Otherwise he is beginning to look like Captain Queeg.

The craziness is also in the Wall Street Journal. You should see the comments. They are probably all friends of yours.

Why are somewhat sane Democrats defending this rampant corruption ? Biden is owned by China and Ukraine. At least the Ukraine kicked out the worst. Even if they had to elect a comedian.

Gusty Winds said...

I Triple-Dog-Dare-Ya!

readering said...

This post interesting for those who care more that POTUS answer a question than what the answer is. Don't think POTUS cares about such people.

Rabel said...

"Q Okay. I’ll move on now...."

Speaking of ellipses. Here's the rest of that statement by the reporter:

"Q Okay. I’ll move on now. Mr. President [Of Finland], in your opening remarks, you said to President Trump that you had been to some museums today and that you respected the U.S. democracy and encouraged him to continue it. Are you concerned that that’s not happening?"

That's the attitude Trump deals with daily. No wonder he's pissed.

Browndog said...

No question the "whistle blower" complaint was written by a team of lawyers, working with or for Schiff.

Here's one example of a dirty lawyer trick in the complaint

narciso said...

how about that, apelbaum did the original gruntwork,


https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/09/30/july-2019-ukraine-launched-probe-of-military-sale-by-fundraiser-for-adam-schiff/

narciso said...

because they weren't anywhere near the room, it was a game of telephone,

narciso said...

oh that's interesting


https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2019/10/03/nbc-cbs-dismiss-whistleblower-heads-schiff-abc-still-censors

tim in vermont said...

If the rule is that you can’t investigate opponents, or seek foreign help in doing so, then what were we doing the last two years investigating Trump? Why hasn’t Hillary been hanged yet for treason? Somebody should ask Admiral Boom, I mean William Weld that question.

Michael K said...

I wrote the other day that I wouldn't have taken any of this money were I in Hunter Biden's shoes

That is the least you would not have done if you were Hunter Biden. First a commission in the Navy Reserves, how did he get that ? Then kicked out for cocaine addiction.
Then boinking his dead brother's widow.
Then bribes out the wazoo. Bag man for his father, sort of like Hillary was ?
Boinking some girl and getting her PG, then hiding from the DNA test.

Quite a list.

daskol said...

The thing about Hunter Biden's big China cash haul and Burisma post is that it's obviously corruption, but of a very common sort that's typically difficult to prove is part of a quid pro quo. It's just that Delaware Joe bragged on camera about strong-arming Poroshenko into firing the prosecutor. Even if not directly related to protecting his son's interests, it's rubbing our faces in the corruption--directly demonstrating the ways in which it's a good investment to pay a guy like Hunter Biden. So unbelievably stupid. One guy who comes out looking smart and, by comparison to Hunter Biden and Devon Archer, principled is John Kerry's stepson. He quit the private equity firm he and Hunter Biden started right around the time of the huge Chinese cash injection.

tim in vermont said...

“Trump desperately needs real dirt on the Bidens from Ukraine or China.”

Neocolonial exploitation of the energy reserves of a poor country by cronies of Obama is now A-OK with the Kleptocratic Party

tim in vermont said...

Trump has everything he needs as far as “real dirt” on Biden. All Schiff has on Trump is a legal theory that is heavily laden with assumptions of guilt going in.

Kevin said...

Apparently the way to ensure you will never be investigated for a crime is to say you're running for office.

Anyone who tries to look into your affairs is now "interfering in an election".

If the American people are stupid enough to fall for that, I'll announce I'm permanently running for Dog Catcher of my town.

tim in vermont said...

"But imagine what price they can extract for that dirt!”

Zelensky to Trump: “Did you bring the pallets of cash and gold?”

Trump: "Chinook helicopters loaded to the max are five minutes out, what you you have?”

Zelenksy “I have video evidence that Biden threatened the Ukraine with loss of a billion dollars in aid if we didn’t fire a prosecutor looking into the company his son “serves” on the board! You can’t believe how many times YouTube has deleted this video!”

Trump into radio. “Boys! Turn it around!"

tim in vermont said...

Warren’s supporters may not admit to caring about this, but my money is on them staying home on election day if it’s Biden. You see, they don’t think that defrauding a minority out of a job at Harvard by lying on her application and elbowing her way past who knows how many people of color is in any way corrupt. So they will want to maintain their purity.

Kevin said...

The quid pro quo, which Pelosi and Schiff were told would be there, wasn't.

We're now being told, just asking for an investigation is out of bounds.

Trump just called BS on that in public.

The American public is either completely outraged by what he did today, or the impeachment is a joke.

We need not hold further hearings on the matter.

The House has all the evidence it needs to hold a vote.

narayanan said...

Calypso Facto said...
///the real outrage is that it's the STATUS QUO in Washington. ///
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now look at Trump kids!

Dare MSM and D's say they benefited nepotistically?!

Real American said...

it's perfectly appropriate for the President or anyone under his command to investigate potential corruption by government officials, past or present. That's all this is is about - Joe Biden's corruption. Democrat presidents have done it, too. it isn't new or remotely controversial. The Democrats wanted to remove Trump for beating them in 2016 and are looking for any excuse to try. First, it was the Russia collusion hoax. Now it's this nothingburger story. In a month, after this story falls apart, it'll be something else. they don't believe in anything other than power.

tim in vermont said...

"The House has all the evidence it needs to hold a vote.”

LOL. Trump stipulated their facts! Next comes a motion to dismiss on account of “If true, still no crime.” This will be the first coverup where POTUS not only published the relevant documents, but stipulated their interpretation. Maybe it will be over by Thanksgiving. My understanding is that when Congressmen go home to their districts, they don’t run into a lot of Twitter bots.

But if the American people are actually outraged over this, and give Biden a pass... talk about a narcissist! Then I will declare that the Russians may finally win the Cold War with a zombie weapon they unleashed decades ago, their destruction of our institutions.

It’s like a duel where one guy dies instantly, but the other guy dies of his wounds years later.

Dave Begley said...

The corrupt Dem business model is to get money from foreigners. You'll never be prosecuted in the foreign country or the US. Sweet!

Michael K said...

Warren’s supporters may not admit to caring about this, but my money is on them staying home on election day if it’s Biden.

Ukraine and China mean Biden is done. That's why Trump raised the issue with China. There is no way they will do anything but the chum is in the water now.

The big Democrat donors have said Warren is out because of her "wealth tax."

It's going to be Hillary

tim in vermont said...

I found myself wondering what the life long conservatives over at The Bulwark were thinking:

Biden must trust the premise for his candidacy—that while he tells the voters “this isn’t about me,” the biggest problem they want Biden to solve first is the Trump presidency. He must lean into his integrity and honor, to give a broader audience that might not be watching the debates, or is trucking through the Iowa fairgrounds, or following him on Twitter, his “word as a Biden,” <<-- Used unironcially! - Ed that he has told us about so many times over the years. The Bulwark

https://thebulwark.com/its-time-for-biden-to-take-control-of-the-narrative/

Turns out that the video and photographic evidence we are all seeing, and the piece in NYMag that shows Biden was lying about his son is all “lies” that need to be countered with $50 million dollars in molten truth!

tim in vermont said...

The big Democrat donors have said Warren is out because of her "wealth tax."

Trump knows those people, he knows that Warren is a non starter and will split the top bottom against the middle coalition that is the modern Democrat Party. He also knows that he can beat Biden. What is Biden supposed to tell the people who want to end fracking that the people in Frackville, PA (A real place) won’t hear?

They have to come up with somebody else, but Obama and his deal with Satan, I mean Hillary, wiped out any rising stars in the party.

All they can do is lie, like they are in this “impeachment” show. If they swore people in, how will they repeat the lies under questioning? If they don’t allow questioning... Do they really think America is that far gone?

What are the Trump kids doing, BTW? Running resorts, just like they did before the election? I see that the Bulwark points to 1400 violations of the emoluments clause! Each time somebody stays at one of his hotels or he mentions the name of one of them... that’s a violation of the constitution! Run that in national ads and watch the needle move!

I bet Warren’s promise of decriminalizing border crossing and offering free benefits to all comers will be a real winner! Merkel did it and now they have Brexit to deal with.

Wince said...

Michael K said...
It's going to be Hillary.

"Two words: Re - Match."

tim in vermont said...

"It's going to be Hillary.”

Worked great for the Buffalo Bills!

Bay Area Guy said...

"It's going to be Hillary"

It's a good theory, a valid position, but I don't think so. Here's why:

Hillary has to get in, before Iowa. After Iowa, some of the 18 declared candidates will start getting delegates, some will drop out and some will endorse. If Hillary merely stands on the sidelines, like a bully, waiting to jump in, while 4 or 5 candidates are still campaigning, still raising money, still fighting, still getting delegates, they are gonna be pissed, if Hillary comes in late to take away the nomination. They will fight it. Is Harris just gonna meekly abide? Will Joe? Will Liz? I think not.

I believe one of the top 3 Dems (Biden, Warren or Bernie) will be the Dem nominee -- for better or for worse, no matter how much they are damaged. And, I still think Crazy Bernie is the easiest to beat, in the General.




It will turn the entire Democrat primary campaign into

tim in vermont said...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/3/watch-trump-campaign-ad-cnn-refusing-air/

ll.9 million views, what’s another 100K from CNN?

The Godfather said...

“It’s going to be Hillary!” Don’t you think Hillary is wondering, What do Trump and Barr have on me that they’ll release if I run?

narciso said...

chtluthu, dagon, moloch,

Yancey Ward said...

I found myself wondering what the life long conservatives over at The Bulwark were thinking

I depend on Chuck for updates. He did slip past the moderation yesterday, but I think it likely Meade and Althouse were on the road home.

Yancey Ward said...

I agree with Bay Area Guy- if Hillary wants the nomination, she needs to get in there with everyone else right now. There won't be a brokered convention she can be airlifted into by a C-5 Galaxy.

tim in vermont said...

"And, I still think Crazy Bernie is the easiest to beat, in the General. “

LEt’s assume, arguendo, that Bernie isn’t retired to his Vermont dacha recuperating and get’s the nomination. I think he is one of the few Democrats who has overlap with Trump voters.

Mickey Kaus pointed to a poll that said that Warren voters believed that Epstein killed himself, and Sanders supporters believed he was murdered. There is anger in Sanders supporters that Trump channels better than Warren, but also that Sanders channels, so what I am saying is that I don’t think Bernie would be a walkover. I think Warren is, her wealth tax is ridiculous. It’s not to raise revenue, but to punish the wealthy. But Sanders has Warren dragging him further and further left. Like two seagulls fighting over the same fish, they are spinning out of sight.

narciso said...

that was the answer to which deity does Victoria worship,

narciso said...

you betcha


https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/03/its-not-a-crime-for-trump-to-ask-china-and-ukraine-to-investigate-biden/

iowan2 said...

1. First, I do so much want Donald Trump Jr. to announce on twitter he just joined the board of some Chinese company, at $100 grand a month.

2. Yesterday was good, because President Trump demanded a reporter ask a question to the Leader of Finland, the guest in attendance. The media then announces that's proof positive President Trump has gone mad, with the impeachment talk, and desperate to change the topic.
Ignoring Pelosi doing the exact same thing with the imitation presser her and Schiff held in the morning, and demanded reporters ask about the legislation she was pushing. That was proof positive of Pelosis discipline and power

Bruce Hayden said...

““It’s going to be Hillary!” Don’t you think Hillary is wondering, What do Trump and Barr have on me that they’ll release if I run”

I don’t think that she thinks this way, but should. She set some sort of record in 2016 for te number of women bvious felonies that she had committed, and was never charged for. We are talking Espionage Act violations for misusing classified documents, Records Act violations for 60k emails that should, legally have been on a government server, but weren’t, and Obstruction of Justice for the 33k emails that were deleted while under subpoena. That likely puts her above 100k individual cries. Add on to of that multiple cases of bribery, extortion, and several other related crimes. All excused and ignored by Obama Lynch, and Comey. The statute of limitations has probably run, by now, for many of those crimes, but possibly not for deleting the 33k emails, and engineering the Trump/Russia Collusion hoax, as well as working with other countries to hurt Trump’s chances of being elected. I forgot - apparently her campaign also apparently repeatedly violated campaign finance laws when te DNC under their control (and thus an alter ego) took bundled contributions, sent them to 43 state Dem parties, accepted them back and forwarded them to her campaign. But if Trump is going to have the DoJ go after her for any of this, strategically he would do well to wait for a bit until she gets the nomination.

The reality is that she was a horrible candidate and probably will be worse this time. She surely hasn’t gotten any healthier. She appears to have either put on a lot of weight, or is wearing some sort of mechanical contraption that makes her look obese.

We can only hope that she gets her rematch.

Michael K said...

The statute of limitations has probably run,

Doesn't the statute toll when the crime is discovered ? If so, Mueller may have done her a disservice.

Michael K said...

Hillary has to get in, before Iowa.

I disagree. The winner pre-convention, is going to be so radical, the DNC is going to panic. They have conceded the presidential election. That's the reason for the impeachment frenzy. They have to worry about Congress, not to mention the local D races.

If turnout crashes, like it did with Goldwater in 1964 and in 1974 after Nixon resigned, they are in deep shit. Obama already decimated their farm clubs.

Hagar said...

If it is not appropriate for the U.S. Government to inquire into misdeeds its citizens may have committed abroad, why is Paul Manafort in jail for the rest of his life?

jeremyabrams said...

If Hillary comes in, she'll grab a poisoned chalice. Warren's supporters are more rational than rabid, and they would likely fall in line, as would Biden's (and Warren and Biden themselves would be good soldiers) but Bernie's people will sit it out.

Gk1 said...

This is so stupid and tedious. It reminds me of a Southpark episode "Canada on Strike where the boys are trying to reconcile the dispute with Canadian PM Abootman. Synopsis:"Abootman vows to continue the strike. When the boys present him their theoretical dollars, Abootman is outraged and refuses to call off the strike until he feels he has won something. Kyle convinces the world leaders to give Canada a consolation prize of bubblegum and Bennigan's coupons. The strike is settled, and the boys go home"

Trump needs to figure out a way of giving the democrats trinkets or something so they can declare victory. Impeaching him sets a horrible precedent going forward. It will become the norm. But the democrats are 0-21 so far and are tripling down .

Narayanan said...

Trump should Tell the media : I'm simply FOIA 'ing to all countries dealing with USA.

tim in vermont said...

"why is Paul Manafort in jail for the rest of his life?”

Well, because the DNC went to the Ukraine and demanded dirt on Manafort from their intelligence files of course. But you must remember that it is not absurd that the Democrats have suddenly got religion on these kinds of things. No sirree!

tim in vermont said...

What is also a pretty good example of doublethink by Democrats is their denial that there is a “deep state” all the while cheering it on. Well, it’s doublethink or gaslighting. Doublethink by their supporters, gaslighting by their leaders. Talk about sociopaths. Look what the Democrats have done to their own followers, then they have the moxie to blame their followers frayed nerve endings on Trump.

BTW, I must have missed WWIII. I thought Trump would have bumbled into it by now from all of the noise coming from Democrats. Admit it Democrats, did you lay awake nights worrying the world was going to end because your leaders told you you should? Or did you know all along it was bullshit and you just went along with it as good soldiers, hoping you could make other, more gullible people lay awake in fear?

I wonder if there is a “shut up!” DOS attack going on against this blog....

Michael K said...

Some interesting discussion of why the rich and connected support the Democrats.

Big multinational interests, Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Global Banking interests, etc, were exclusively supporting both President Obama and candidate Clinton. The domestic politics of the U.S. were/are tools toward an end; and, so long as the person occupying the oval office did not interfere with Big Club objectives, they too would benefit financially.

The college kid wearing a pink pussy hat is oblivious, but the executive offices of the Deep State FBI, Intelligence Community, DOJ and the power structures within the House and Senate are not; they know. It is the way of the swamp.

Why would a senate candidate spend $10 million to win an election that pays $300k/year? How do politicians become multi-millionaires while in office?

Likely a great many more people are aware of the bigger issues than ever before. Perhaps this explains the dynamic of angst amid those same occupants.

Think about how much the DOJ and FBI did to protect and promote candidate Clinton.

Obviously, in their down-time discussions, they would have discussed and recognized some benefit would be forthcoming.

No entity would go so far out on an obvious limb of corruption if they did not perceive some personal benefit on the horizon.

Think about how much leverage James Comey would have held over the institution of the Office of the President if they had succeeded. If the sum total of dirt on Trump filled a bucket, by comparison Hillary Clinton owns a landfill.


Worth reading the whole thing

tim in vermont said...

The super mega hyper wealthy support the Democrats because they need politicians who are frankly for sale. They have money, they need power, they buy it. It’s very simple. The Republicans stopped being the party of the rich years ago. They need to remember this and stop kowtowing to people who would throw them off a building as soon as look at them.

Unknown said...

Apparently, if you are involved in corruption all you have to do is run for pres and you are off limits...unless you win...and are republican.