October 15, 2019

"Dona Bolding, who was in [Elizabeth] Warren’s 1979 contracts class, recounted the time she was shopping at Loehmann’s, the discount department store known for its marked-down designer clothing..."

"... and ran into Warren standing in her underwear in the store’s communal dressing room. Bolding said she was 'mortified.' But Warren instantly made light of the situation. 'Oh Miss Bolding,' Warren called out. 'I see you love a bargain!'"

From "The transformation of Elizabeth Warren/She faced sexism, split with a husband and found her voice teaching law in Houston" (WaPo).

Lots more in that article, including the story of how Warren avoided accusing a University of Houston Law Center professor of "shut[ting] the door and lung[ing] for her... and as she protested... chas[ing' her around his desk." And then she was invited — after his request — to deliver the eulogy at his funeral.
In the pews, people exchanged glances. Some at UH disliked Smith — he’d kept a bottle of Scotch in his desk and often told dirty jokes, one colleague remembered later — but “Mean Gene,” as he was known, was generally regarded as harmless. Diagnosed with post-polio syndrome, Smith walked hunched over, his arms increasingly useless as he aged. Some wondered whether it was physically possible for Smith to have done what Warren described.
Wow. That takes some amazing nerve. But we're told she did this with a smile and humor. She'd been advised that he "was an established old-guard professor with a lot of power. And if she tried to get him, she would be the one in the long term to suffer because she would become known as a troublemaker." So she kept it quiet (and he got to continue, treating women however he did) until she'd moved on to a much better lawprof job and until he "no longer had any power over" her.

I identified with this story of lawproffing:
Warren taught in a large lecture hall that resembled an amphitheater. She had about 60 students in her contracts class. And Warren knew by looking at their faces that she wasn’t connecting with them in the way she wanted.

“She came in thinking that students were at a higher level of preparation than they were, and she would teach as if they automatically read the cases and knew what she was talking about,” [another UH lawprof] said.
I rankle at "as if they automatically read the cases." No, they won't "automatically" read the cases, but if you teach the class in a way that they won't know what you're talking about unless they read the cases, they will realize that they must deliberately read the cases or they will be lost. The real problem is that they may have that realization and nevertheless decline to prepare. What's the solution to that?

115 comments:

Unknown said...

The solution is to fail them.

gilbar said...

chasing her around his desk.

Well, at least Now we know WHY she's so spry and limber!

gilbar said...

"Dona Bolding, who was in [Elizabeth] Warren’s 1979 contracts class, recounted the time she was shopping at Loehmann’s, the discount department store known for its marked-down designer clothing..."
"... and ran into Warren standing in her underwear in the store’s communal dressing room. Bolding said she was 'mortified.


Can we Assume that she was 'mortified' on account of because of the fact that she feared that Lizzy would ask her to try some underwear on for her?

gspencer said...

I could, in a nerd-ish sort of way, see old lady Warren being featured in Pornhub's Granny or Mature categories.

tim in vermont said...

So we have a theme, Hunter Biden’s open kimono and Warren in her underwear.... Yeesh!

Wince said...

Diagnosed with post-polio syndrome, Smith walked hunched over, his arms increasingly useless as he aged. Some wondered whether it was physically possible for Smith to have done what Warren described."

Wow. That takes some amazing nerve.


To use a deceased physically impaired man to continue your apocryphal narrative of life-long oppression, yes, indeed that takes "amazing nerve".

Matt said...

Where's the part about her getting rich and famous by lying about her heritage to take a job set aside for a minority and then staying in that job for decades thereby preventing an actual intended minority from gaining the fame and fortune?

Skeptical Voter said...

The solution for non preparation is to flunk them at the end of the semester. I can recall Dean Frank Newman at Boalt Hall in the fall of 1965 giving a classmate a grade of 65 on an administrative procedure course. The class was administered (there's no other word for it) to 1L students. Administrative procedure was Newman's specialty. The classmate had bilged the midterm exam in the class. Understandable case of first year law student fright and getting up to speed. The classmate wrote an acceptable 75 or so on the final exam--but Newman gave no slack. Averaged the grades--and a final of 65 was issued. The classmate in question was definitely a lower quartile law student, but didn't deserve to risk getting washed out at the end of the first semester. All's well that ends well however. That classmate went on to a successful career at the Justice Department, got an LLM in Tax (who woulda thunk it) and wound up as a partner at Skadden Arps.

Across the Bay at Hastings, a different admissions philosophy prevailed at the time. They would, could and did accept a large class of 1Ls with less than sterling LSAT scores and GPAs. Half the 1L class was asked to leave at the end of the first year. You got a chance--but if you couldn't hack the program you were gone from Hastings.

By contrast Boalt was much more selective in its admission requirements. Out of an entering 1L class of 300 students maybe 45 dropped out by the end of the first semester. Mommy and Daddy thought junior should be a lawyer--but junior discovered that law school was not for him or her and dropped out. So we had 250 at the end of the first semester--and out of that group 5 were asked to leave at the end of the first year. The remaining 245 went on to graduate.

Nonapod said...

Assuming that tale is true, why tell it at the guy's funeral in front of his family as if it was "humorous"? Weird.

Birkel said...

I believe 0% of this.

tim in vermont said...

“The old grey mare she ain’t what she used to be.”

Why does that song come to mind?

DarkHelmet said...

Without reading even a paragraph of the article I'm going to guess it is 100% flattering of Warren to the point of near hagiography. Any flaws mentioned will be of the "I guess I just work too hard and care too much" variety.

Am I right?

David Begley said...

At Creighton Law the professors would call on you and just grill and cross you. If you had any pride and wanted to learn, you better read the cases in advance. And attendance was taken in every class. I don’t think I missed one class in three years; especially Judge Lay’s class on the Supreme Court.

doctrev said...

*YAWN* Yes, Elizabeth, your life is so interesting it could be an Aaron Sorkin movie. Al Gore had more wit in interviews than just about any of the current Democratic candidates, and he was boring enough to lose to Bush the Lesser. Barack Obama needed intense hagiography to win 300+ electoral votes against a supremely flawed rival, and that only set up the Trump era.

What I don't understand is why boring political lawyers think they can sound like the second coming of Jesus Christ, Esquire, and not set themselves up for enormous disappointment. The Democrats are breaking out their 2016 script, and that didn't even work against Candidate Trump. Do they think absurd abuse of the copyright system and vicious suppression of memes will cover the gap for 2020? I have news for you: it won't.

rehajm said...

Jeez, that sounds like the kind of oppression that motivates someone to lie about being Cherokee. Talk about building character...

Rob said...

"Some at UH disliked Smith — he’d kept a bottle of Scotch in his desk and often told dirty jokes . . . . "

What a bunch of prigs.

rehajm said...

There's nothing minority voters like hearing about more than tales of oppression from sour old white women.

Mr Wibble said...

The real problem is that they may have that realization and nevertheless decline to prepare. What's the solution to that?

Fail them. After a few the rest will shape up quickly.

robother said...

"The real problem is that they may have that realization and nevertheless decline to prepare. What's the solution to that?"

I had an old school law prof for Civil Procedure we all called "Cap'n Gus." (He spent the first several weeks teaching English cases on the forms of action, that's how old school he was.) He called on one guy the first week of class, and the guy responded, "I'm not prepared." Gus said, "I'll excuse ya," and the guy nodded at this gentlemanly remark as he called on someone else. But then Gus interrupted the second student mid-answer, and turned to the first student, and said "I said I EXCUSE you!" and it dawned on all of us that the guy was being asked to leave the class, immediately.

To this day, I know the difference between Trover and Trespass de Bonis Asportatis.

tcrosse said...

But even the presumptive next President of the United States sometimes must stand in her underwear.

Kevin said...

Elizabeth Warren struggles to find her #MeToo moment.

Like her Native American ancestry, it must be in there somewhere.

Perhaps the dead guy who walked hunched over with his arms dangling lunged at her one day?

He's certainly not available to refute her claims.

Seeing Red said...

The solution is an “F.”

Or “Lear to Code.”

Assistant Village Idiot said...

Oh, she's just one of the girls! Everyone should vote for her!

hombre said...

“Wow. That takes some amazing nerve.“

It’s not about nerve. Warren, like Obama is utterly shameless.

rcocean said...

Does anyone else find it weird that Clinton, Obama, Hillary, and Warren were all Law School Professors (if even for a short time)?

At least Kerry and Biden were D.A.'s or Criminal lawyers. Here's what the D's have nominated:

Duke 1988 - Harvard Law
Clinton - Yale Law
Gore - Harvard Undergrad
Kerry - Yale Undergrad
Obama - harvard Law
Hillary - Yale Law
Warren (?) - Harvard Law

Mike Sylwester said...

Democracy Dies in Darkness!

Mike Sylwester said...

What kind of name is "Dona"?

Yancey Ward said...

I guess she doesn't believe in "Don't speak ill of the dead."

If story about Smith all true, that shows a lack of class, and the truth is that I don't really believe the story about him chasing her around the desk, either, for the very good reason that she is constantly being caught lying about her past. Most of her auto-biographical history seems to be fictional.

traditionalguy said...

Pocahontas is a hero. The media epic hero creators have been told to fix her. That means the Dems are rigging it for her. Indigenous tribe Abe Lincoln with a Harvard pedigree. It might work until Trump is heard from.

RMc said...

An attempt to humanize Warren, with a dash of #metoo.

BarrySanders20 said...

The only part of that snippet I believe is Dona Bolding's account of feeling mortified by seeing her contracts prof in bra and panties (hopefully). Partly because it is consistent with the Odd Duck vibe I get from Warren.

But who believes anything in WaPo written about any trendy D pick to battle Trump? Who believes anything based on Warren's word printed in WaPo? Maybe the question answers itself - only people who read and rely on WaPo for information about candidates.

Fake Indian, fake pregnancy discrimination, now getting chased around a desk by a drunken polio-stricken lech (who asked her to speak at his funeral service)? Nope. Not buying. White woman speak with forked tongue.

stevew said...

Sounds like: Warren is the new fav. Also: Biden is done, Sanders has peaked and no longer a threat, Buttigieg has been warned/scolded not to attack Warren, the rest are inconsequential. Question today: will Bloomberg join in?

"The real problem is that they may have that realization and nevertheless decline to prepare. What's the solution to that?"

I'm no professor but why wouldn't you simply grade them accordingly? Is there a downside to you of not doing so?

Big Mike said...

What did I tell you? Solidarity!

Mike Sylwester said...

I never heard of the name "Dona", but it does turn out to be a real name. The name peaked in the 1930s, when the name was given to about 152 of every million babies. However, the name has been given to almost no babies in recent decades.

The Baby Name Wizard website provides basic information about the name.

One commenter named Dona hates the name, because she has been plagued by the nickname "Donut" during her entire life:

"Trust me, do not name your child this. It has been a hard life having this name."

mockturtle said...

LOLOLOL!

tim in vermont said...

So all of these people who stubbornly stick to Biden rather than go to Warren are going to vote for Warren instead of Trump or staying home in the genera? All of them?

Rick.T. said...

Just spitballing here but maybe set some expectations during the first class?

I had an econ profession do something similar when he said he didn't care if we ever attended class. We paid for it so we can do what we want but don't expect any consideration on grading if you don't.

tim in vermont said...

“It’s sad to see the potential self destruction of @PeteButtigieg, a rising star,” tweeted Adam Green, a cofounder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which backs Warren. “Tuesday will be a key trajectory moment. Does he attack the next President of The United States or take the high road and make positive waves by adding his unique voice to progressive issues of the day?”

This is the kind of stuff they did to clear the field for Hillary. I hope Burgermeister Buttigeg doesn’t cave to it.

Rick said...

What's the solution to that?

Tell them on the first day they will have to have read the materials to understand the discussion. Then...nothing.

285exp said...

She accused a conveniently dead man of being sexist toward her? Sounds familiar.

Jupiter said...

The fact that Hunter Biden has served as a human conduit for gargantuan bribes to his father for a decade or two is certainly relevant to his father's fitness to be President. But all this hot garbage about Elizabeth Warren is beside the point. She's a Democrat. That's all you need to know. She's unfit to be a citizen, let alone President.

During the 1960s and '70s, the KGB devised a number of schemes to weaken the social fabric of the United States, and paid agents in the US to put them into action. The Soviet Union is gone, but every one of those schemes are now part of the platform of the Democrat Party.

Wally Kalbacken said...

The old chasing around the desk deal. Conjures up a Jimmy Hatlo cartoon. Come to think of it - Elizabeth Warren is a Jimmy Hatlo cartoon.

mccullough said...

This is like hearing from Obama’s law students. I’m sure Warren was a swell teacher like Obama. It’s a real shame Warren didn’t get to Harvard Law before Obama graduated. I’m sure he would have learned a lot from her.

Morkoth4682 said...

Hey Ann... are you going to do a follow-up to your post about Elizabeth Warren's town-hall Q&A and talk about how it was most likely staged? And why are we believing anything Lie-a-watha has to say at this point?

Amadeus 48 said...

"What's the solution to that?"

Don't worry. Warren has a plan. It probably involves coercion.

wild chicken said...

You call on them randomly to explain the facts and reasoning or else be busted and embarrassed in front of everyone.

If they're capable of embarrassment.

Greg the class traitor said...

"The real problem is that they may have that realization and nevertheless decline to prepare. What's the solution to that?"

Have you told them at the state of the semester "here's a list of cases we will be studying, and the day we will be discussing them in class. The lecture will be essentially worthless to you if you haven't read the cases well enough to discuss them in class"?

If so, then you follow through on that, and if students who haven't done the reading can't keep up, that's their problem.

OTOH, what is the "expected workload" for a student (in and out of class time)? 40 hours a week? 60? Whatever it is, apply the following formula:

(Expected hours / week) * (# credits / units for your class) / (expected # credits / units students will be taking)

This tells you how many hours the students should be spending on your class. Now, subtract out the hours they're spending in class. Does the rest leave them enough time to read all the cases you've assigned, plus whatever other homework you've assigned?

If no, then you need to dial back. If yes, it's their problem.

As for "mean Gene":
And so, like Hillary, Warren left other women to suffer, while she got ahead. Either that, or she's lying, again.

Friedrich Engels' Barber said...

The East Coast press hagiographization of Warren, with as much third person humble brag as possible, steps up a gear. And if it means slipping in a few of the not-so-flattering stories that are going to get out anyway, then do it early with as much sugar as possible.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

OT: Who needs Russia - when we have horrible deplorable Americans fighting the good fight!

pssst.Beto is a furry - pass it on.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

is this story as true as her "I was fired for being pregnant" bit?

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

Thin Lizzie tries to bolster her lib cred by spinning yarns

Temujin said...

As if on cue, here come the paeans to Elizabeth Warren.

MadisonMan said...

'Transformation' suggests Warren turned into something. I suppose -- without reading -- that WaPo thinks she changed into an interesting person. I don't see it.

Sebastian said...

"So she kept it quiet . . . until"

Translation: So she only made up a convenient smear after . . .

She was chased just as much as she was Cherokee and fired for being pregnant.

Sebastian said...

"What's the solution to that?"

In what sense is declining to prepare a problem? Why should there be a "solution" for adults deciding not to do things?

Law students pay to get a law degree. Little of what they prepare matters in the actual practice of law. As rational actors, they may decide that, if they are not going for a clerkship, they should minimize their effort as long as they satisfy basic standards enough to get the degree and the ticket into the profession.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

There is an assumption in the piece that Warren was always a first class candidate for big-time teaching and research positions.

Some have said her famous research into bankruptcies associated with health care costs was bullshit. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/06/why-elizabeth-warrens-new-bankruptcy-study-is-so-bad/18835/

Shouting Thomas said...

It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys.

She’s advocated an immediate shutdown of the fossil fuels industry in favor of non-existent industrial strength green energy.

She’s advocating the looting of the oil industry to fund Utopian fantasies that brought down Venezuela.

I’d say fear of economic catastrophe is a better reason to oppose Warren. I’d prefer to know the electricity will be running when and if I face surgery.

Her Chavista communism has is a whole lot worse than lying to game the quota system. I also like being able to buy food in the supermarket.

Since our current president has presided over a boom economy, I’m not sure I see the need for deliberate economic sabotage. But, hey, you’re reasonable.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

gilbar said...

Can we Assume that she was 'mortified' on account of because of the fact that she feared that Lizzy would ask her to try some underwear on for her?

Nah. Warren impresses me as one of those types that wouldn't just acknowledge you and go on about their business. She'd become your bosom buddy and life-long pal for the exact amount of time she was in the same room as you and not know who you were the next day. Just like her stint as a fake Indian.

Birkel said...

I believe 0% of this story.

Bill Peschel said...

She's also said she will ban fracking for oil and gas, making us reliant on the Saudi and Russian oil again, ban private health insurance, and otherwise "remake capitalism."

From a party that tacitly supports political violence, stealing elections at the polls, and out-and-out lying, supported 100% by the major media.

Shouting Thomas said...

Warren, even when young, was always somewhere between plain Jane homely and downright ugly.

So, yeah, these stories about her overwhelming sexual attractiveness are undoubtedly more BS lies.

She fabricates her lies as illustrations for various identity politics complaints. She’s shameless about this, too.

Richard Fagin said...

For Lloyd Robertson, rather than "some" have said certain things about Warren's bankruptcy research, I have a name and I heard it directly from him: Ray Nimmer, professor and sometime dean of UH Law Center. Let's just say his comments weren't flattering. RIP, Prof. Nimmer.

Drago said...

ARM: "It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys."

Well, nobody wants to be accused of racism towards Native Americans.

However, all bets are off on white chicks that cant pull African American votes in the numbers needed for a dem to win.

sunsong said...

good article

rehajm said...

The other day Liz was recycling her ‘accountability, act and demanding business leaders pledge their fealty. It would require ‘stakeholders’ rights over shareholders, your workers get to pick 40 percent of your board, you need to declare which social causes will take precedent over your primary business model in your mission statement. You need to support no share buybacks. No primary stock compensation packages for executives. You need to curb your political activities unless your workers approve...

Oh and you need to declare your support for my plan now- before I become President. Or else...

Nope. Not much to hate there...

Char Char Binks said...

"....'Dona', but it does turn out to be a real name"

What in Hell is a real name? Aren't they all made up? Do you think they just occur in nature without human intervention?

Kevin said...

Hey Ann... are you going to do a follow-up to your post about Elizabeth Warren's town-hall Q&A and talk about how it was most likely staged?

CNN didn't disclose that maxed-out Warren donor asked question that spurred viral answer

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/14/morgan-cox-iii-elizabeth-warren-donor-asked-cnn-lg/

Paul Zrimsek said...

I see they were careful to stay away from the discredited story about how she got fired from a teaching position for being pregnant.

Char Char Binks said...

"It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys."

I'm way ahead of you.

FleetUSA said...

I did middling well at Tulane Law and after a Navy gig I went to the NYU LL.M.(Tax) program which was then the best in the country and still is.

I read all the materials and outlined them. Then took notes across from my outline + highlighters during exam reviews.....Results: I knew what the professors were saying and got mostly A's.

Nothing replaces doing the readings ahead of time.

chuck said...

I love mythology. Reminds me of what a wonderful man John Kennedy was.

David Begley said...

I heard the other day that Joe Biden taught constitutional law at some law school, GW, I think. Hard to believe. Joe’s a dope.

Jim at said...

Chased around the desk? Elizabeth Warren?

Yeah. No.

rhhardin said...

Remember these people aren't as stupid as it seems. It's their target audience that's stupid, in the sense of voting feelings. "She seems to mean well" being the aimed-at feeling.

A woman's foolishness. Corresponds to skepticism in men, for failings.

The reflex of skill in top level compromise via short circuit to feelings, and abstraction and analysis. Stuff that kicks in as girls and boys have to learn to do different things.

bagoh20 said...

Has anyone ever actually seen a man pursue a woman around a desk like that. I never heard of that happening in real life, although it's been in movies since the beginning.

hombre said...

ARM: “It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys.”

Wait! Does finding someone absurd and commenting on the absurdity equate with “hating” them in tiny leftist minds?

If so, does ARM think we hate him? Why would we bother?

bagoh20 said...

"It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys."

I think you'll be surprised by how many of us there are. Hillary was.

Birkel said...

Recently, left-wing polling outfits report Trump with 32% support from black males and 7% from black females.
That would represent 10% higher support from all blacks for 14% of all voters.

Warren must find a way to change that trajectory.
She cannot.

bagoh20 said...

Is Elizabeth Warren now "the smartest woman in the world"? Hillary might be suffering from that bump on head from hitting the glass ceiling.

Jeff said...

The solution is an “F.”
Or “Learn to Code.”

What makes you think someone who can't hack law school is going to have an easier time programming? In my experience, competent programmers are much rarer than attorneys.

stevew said...

"It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys."

Oh, you are mistaken, she is very easy to hate. Smarmy, scolding, lecturing, disingenuous, a prevaricator, and given to embellishment. In fact, I dare say it is not easy to like her.

Ann Althouse said...

"Hey Ann... are you going to do a follow-up to your post about Elizabeth Warren's town-hall Q&A and talk about how it was most likely staged? "

Nothing in my post depends on the backstory of the person asking the question, and I would always assume these people are selected so what does something that's only "most likely" even add? No, it's not bloggable. Not without more.

narciso said...

I found out about nimmer from legal insurrection,

Tina Trent said...

I never experienced worse sexual harassment than in my one semester in law school. By a locally famous civil rights attorney . . . of course. And I was not some chick plucked by the first wave of female hirings -- who clearly knew it, and wasn't as powerless as is implied here. I was a first year student in a part-time night program. I loaded trucks during the day and tolerated Professor C's behavior at night because I was paying for it, and I couldn't afford to lose that money.

Every time I saw that professor being feted in the news, years after that, I was disgusted. Not least by the obscene cynicism of the knowing "civil rights" establishment. With that said, I would not dream of humiliating his children by speaking of it at his funeral. That's some universe beyond obscenely cynical.

Consider that Warren got that job despite going to Rutgers -- why? Matriculation elitism among law faculty has not diminished since then, while identity politics grow stronger every year. The most important thing now is having the right ethnicity, sexual orientation, or race -- and only when these are reduced to scratchings does merit come into play. Any "minority" going to Rutgers gets first dibs everywhere, but a white male going to Rutgers today who isn't gay stands no more chance of becoming a law professor now than he did at the dawn of that new age.

So her hiring is no evidence that she was an intellectual powerhouse. It may be simply because she was in the time and place where they needed females -- competent, or otherwise -- to make up for the previous dearth. The cynicism of that gold ring generation of female and minority hires is every bit as gross as the sexism and racism that preceded it. In fact, it's just more of the same damn thing.



Bob said...

ARM said, "It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys."

Note that Shouting Thomas listed some substantive critiques of Warren without once mentioning her personal....shortcomings.

(Note also he neglected to mention her "admirable" endorsement of AOC's plan to give welfare benefits to illegal aliens).

I don't think "we guys" will need to hate Elizabeth Warren. We just -- enthusiastically -- won't vote for her.

mandrewa said...

It wouldn't surprise me if this Smith man tried to hug her or something. Things like that used to happen all the time, and of course they still happen today. People misread signals, and some people are pretty bad at reading others. And of course men are wired to be attracted to women. That built-in genetic goal seeking is shaping normal male behavior all the time.

I tend to believe that there is something behind every Warren story that is true. But I don't think her memory is all that reliable. In fact she's demonstrated she's quite capable of having false memories. So some of the details might be false, or for instance, I can easily imagine her leaving out significant context.

Maybe Smith had some reason to believe that Ms. Warren was attracted to him.

The fact Smith had requested that Warren deliver his eulogy suggests that he thought she was his friend and that's kind of sad, because he must not have had many friends, and the story she told suggests Warren wasn't much of a friend.

The bizarre thing though is what was going through Warren's mind that she thought this was the kind of story to tell at the man's funeral.

DavidUW said...

Those who can't teach, go into politics.

stevew said...

Good point by Bob. I would like to clarify that any hate I might experience toward Senator Warren is limited to, and the result of, her personal behaviors and traits. I do disagree with all of her policy proposals (51 Plans and counting) and philosophy of government and governing, but I don't hate her for that.

Drago said...

ARM: "It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys."

Bob: "Note that Shouting Thomas listed some substantive critiques of Warren without once mentioning her personal....shortcomings."

It is not possible to engage lefties on substance of any sort. They are all either mindless drones or purposeful liars.

Get this thru your heads: the lefties KNOW you are making substantive critiques of Warren and that is precisely what they are going to put a stop to, one way or another.

John henry said...

"dona" is Spanish for donut

John Henry

Lucien said...

Contracts is traditionally a required first year course, while Constitutional Law is usually a second year elective that everyone takes, along with Corporations and Tax, so notionally Con. law students have chosen the course and should be motivated to read and brief the assigned cases before class. (Or at least that’s how it was done in 1982).

Sebastian said...

"the obscene cynicism of the knowing "civil rights" establishment"

It is and was mostly about sex. As David Garrow has already told us about MLK. Those dudes kept either eyes on the prize.

Kirk Parker said...

Althouse doesn't usually let the subtleties of language throw her off so badly.

"Automatically" in this context is just nice shorthand "at the beginning of the term they will ASSUME the reading is important and will just do it, without spending a lot of time trying to carefully analyze how important it is as a use of their valuable time."

Wally,

" Conjures up a Jimmy Hatlo cartoon."

Maybe for you, but in my mind it brings up memories of Mad Magazine.

FullMoon said...

A lovely article. Says she divorced because her husband basically could not handle her growth This kinda caught my eye, as the dates were separated by other fluff. A curious type might wonder at the sequence of events and accuracy of recollection here. Not to suggest Liz may have had an affair resulting in divorce, but Obama would have had a look at the divorce records if he was running against Liz.

"The couple (Jim and Liz) separated sometime in early 1979. Warren has never said exactly when


Her family watched the kids that summer ( 1979) as Warren traveled to Florida to attend a conservative law and economics retreat. One of the other attendees was Bruce Mann, a professor and legal historian at the University of Connecticut.

Both have described a moment of instant attraction. It’s unclear when the two officially became a couple

Warren filed for divorce from Jim on Nov. 5, 1979 (couple of months after meeting Mann?). The divorce was finalized on Jan. 16, 1980.

Mann embraced it(Warren's ambition) The two were married in July 1980,

FullMoon said...

ARM: "It's not going to be easy to hate Warren, but I have faith in you guys."

Bob: "Note that Shouting Thomas listed some substantive critiques of Warren without once mentioning her personal....shortcomings."

It is not possible to engage lefties on substance of any sort. They are all either mindless drones or purposeful liars.

ARM's personal website suggests he is not a mindless drone. Therefore...

DarkHelmet said...

It is very, very, astonishingly, absurdly, transcendently easy to hate Warren and everything she stands for. She is the worst form of phoney demagogue. I don't believe she means a word she says, and yet I believe she will try to do everything she proposes. Which is more frightening than Hillary's garden variety corruption (extensive as it was) and Obama's faculty lounge BS approach to the universe.

Warren is the worst thing to happen to the American polity since at least LBJ.


tcrosse said...

Mann embraced it(Warren's ambition) The two were married in July 1980,

cf.Jill Clayburgh, An Unmarried Woman (1978).

narciso said...

well if it's with the symbol, it's means lady

FullMoon said...

Recently, left-wing polling outfits report Trump with 32% support from black males and 7% from black females.
That would represent 10% higher support from all blacks for 14% of all voters.

Warren must find a way to change that trajectory.
She cannot.


Micheal Brown and Trayvon Martin were murdered.
Reparations
Freebies

Doug said...

Does a straight male ever"find his voice"? Not on your life.
Note to women, journalists, and Gary dudes: lose that vocabulary. You make people want to commit.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

"Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown".
--looks like Thin Lizzy wears the Dem Diadem Du Jour,
as CNN has put their 'whatever' behind her.
One by one,as the 20 1-foot 'high-jumpers' evaporate,
Felonia Von Pantsuit bides her time, to assume her 'rightful' place upon the throne

Nichevo said...

I tend to believe that there is something behind every Warren story that is true. But I don't think her memory is all that reliable. In fact she's demonstrated she's quite capable of having false memories. So some of the details might be false, or for instance, I can easily imagine her leaving out significant context.


I've said it before, rather than assuming/concluding from evidence that she is lying and or otherwise evil, I perceive she is merely mentally unfit for the office of President. That's charity, right?

Unknown said...

Great folksy stories

"My God, She is Just Like US"

cubanbob said...

The United States of America is exactly that; a voluntary union of States that formed a nation state on the foundations of a free people with free markets and limited government. Exactly the opposite of what progressives believe. Real Americans abhor progressives. Like that fake Native American who masquerades as an American.

Lazarus said...

I kept changing and growing almost despite myself.

That is 21st century feminist for "My wife just doesn't understand me."

It's a little egotistical: in both cases, there's an assumption that the spouse isn't growing himself or isn't misunderstood herself.

***

Husband #1 went on to find a DNA testing company. If she'd stayed married to him, it could have saved her some embarrassment about her DNA results.

madAsHell said...

In grade school I had to learn “Dona Nobis Pacem “.

madAsHell said...

Dona is Latin for gift.

madAsHell said...

None of this shit ever happened. The WaPo is building her narrative because she failed to write her Opus.

JamesB.BKK said...

Constitutional judge made "law" cases are a snooze fest full of pretzl logic and later imaginary balancing tests and so-called incorporation. Contracts cases are at least interesting and logically consistent making them eminently more readable and memorable - even if one might suppose the prof is a lifelong serial whopper producer who's claimed just about every victim status currently imagined by marxists. She'd better get back to the elders at the wigwam to help with that polio addled dude that's chasing her hotness around.

JamesB.BKK said...

The phrase "found her voice" is one of the hallmarks of marxist members of the once-representative but now rump urban-decay promoting Democratic Party.

JamesB.BKK said...

Warren's faked medical bankruptcy statistical mumbo jumbo for which she never made correction and instead still uses to promote top-down medical services control and BS and unconstitutional (but frankly what isn't any more) consumer protection bureaus makes her easily destructible. That her "political opponents" won't bring this up is telling. That CNN won't is consistent with its self-destructive path.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dona_Drake

Bruce Hayden said...

“At Creighton Law the professors would call on you and just grill and cross you. If you had any pride and wanted to learn, you better read the cases in advance. And attendance was taken in every class. I don’t think I missed one class in three years; especially Judge Lay’s class on the Supreme Court.”

The decisive moment of my LS career was when I went up against our Torts prof, about halfway through 1L, and was still standing five minutes later, when he went onto his next victim. I didn’t win of course, but didn’t lose that badly. Everything after that, up to graduation, was downhill all the way.

Best prep for LS, for me, was Dale Carnegie. One thing that you learn in his class is that almost everyone hates public speaking, and in the end, most of the class is going to screw up when grilled by the prof, and you will be ahead of most of them just by not panicking.

My other trick was to volunteer answers as much as I could, early in a term. Profs typically get tired of you answering all their questions, so go onto better game (the ones he can panic, which is most of the class). Once I got the prof out searching for better game, I could cut down my class prep time a lot. I tended to brief every other case, and would do it one or two cases ahead of where the prof was. And, of course, I continued to volunteer, from the cases that I had actually briefed. The funny thing is that I was never caught cutting corners this way. I would have to assume that I wasn’t the first to have figured this out, which, I think means, the the profs turned a blind eye to this strategy for turning these class time interactions with the prof to one’s own advantage.

Bob Loblaw said...

Diagnosed with post-polio syndrome, Smith walked hunched over, his arms increasingly useless as he aged. Some wondered whether it was physically possible for Smith to have done what Warren described.

Given how her other recollections have panned out when exposed to minimal scrutiny, I suspect she invented the entire encounter from whole cloth. I'm starting to wonder if she's one of those people who invents an entire mythology about her past and then starts to believe it after numerous retellings.