"Unless Elizabeth Warren builds appeal outside her core constituencies, it will be challenging for her to pull ahead of frontrunning Joe Biden, who has built his own beachhead of support among moderates, working-class whites, and African-American voters."https://t.co/YIn9z79y02— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) August 12, 2019
Anyway, the picture. Let's take a closer look:
"OLD DRINKS" — created from "cold drinks" with the placement of an "IF YOU LOSE YOUR MONEY" sign. That's rich, and I'm going to credit the AP photographer, John Locher, with deliberately framing his photograph to catch text that is relevant, meaningful, and humorous: Yeah, she's so happy to be striding in waving a big "Hi, I'm here with the old socialist idea of taking your money."
Now, she also looks fantastic. Any more energy and she'd look insane. The clothes are completely casual but perfectly crisp and cheerful. Elizabeth Warren is 70 years old, but look how trim and sprightly she is! If she were any thinner, I'd be worried about anorexia.
And look how happy she is, even in that incredibly depressing Nevada environment, walled in with teal-trimmed white cinderblock. She seems to be bursting through the door... even though the door opens in the other way, so somebody is holding it open for her. It took me a long time to notice that her pose isn't part of a bursting through the door motion.
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But those shoes....
Elizabeth Warren is a lying liar who lies
She looks like a mannequin.
She will punish our enemy...the profit makers who act like they made their businesses without her permission. NO PROFITS ALLOWED.
"old Drinks" - lolf.
"How, I'm here with the old socialist idea of taking your money."
Warren is a dork.
"...stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive."
This is what a dangerous person looks like.
And the smile is fake too...
Modern progressive bullshit is like an old stale poorly made cocktail. or a warm beer sitting in the oppressive summer sun, drawing flies.
A face that you'll never see on a totem pole.
"If you lose your money"
If? Not if: when. There's no if in socialism.
"she also looks fantastic"
So, when do you think reporters will start talking about the color of her hair?
Maybe she's dancing back out the door.
Exit stage right.
No matter how youthful, energetic or hip she tries to act, she'll always remind a majority of Americans of that strange neighborhood lady with 27 cats.
Redistributive change or alt-"R". I'm for Revitalization, Rehabilitation, and Reconciliation.
Maybe just stand out front holding cigars if she wants to gin up support
Its full lillian hellman, as mary mccarthy said.
Hello my baby!
Hello my honey!
Hello my unpaid staff!
This is legitimate cheer!
Call Biden to hold my beer!
"Fantastic" is relative.
She looks like an old white emaciated socialist cunt who pretended to be an Indian. She looks about 10 years from the grave. I hope its the under.
She may actually get the nomination. She has the right kind of wackiness and pandering for the party. What I mean is, she has a way of making it seem like she really believes it and isn't just trying to win votes.
Liz Warren has changed her views over the years and she says what Kamala and Beto and Castro and Gillibrand are saying, and she says it to win votes, but it sounds more authentic coming out of her mouth because of her wacky schoolmarm manner and Oklahoma twang (and of course, Biden comes across as even less sincere than the others).
I'm not saying she will be the nominee, but she does have a way of turning her disadvantages - being so goofy and yet so schoolmarmishly off-putting - into advantages. Sort of like a salesman who uses a naive, country boy manner to make you feel like he can't possibly be trying to take advantage of you. It won't be enough in the November election, though.
Biden can gaffe and gaffe away, but he'll still be the Dem nominee. Do not forget that the Dems still employee the super delegates for a reason.
Stands Like Gumby
And, in other news, Warren insisted that the cop in Ferguson murdered Michael Brown.
Despite the legal outcome to the contrary.
I was reminded of the old Keep On Truckin art.
Imagine being objectively intelligent, well educated, well read,
imaging standing every day for 2-3 decades in front of a mirror every day...
... looking at your light blue eyes ...
... combing your blonde hair ...
eating breakfast with your white parents and siblings,
then getting into a car, arriving into office, putting Texas state bar registration form on the desk, taking pen into hand,
and filling 'race' field with 'American Indian'.
That toothy grin. I can just picture the photographer saying "hold it, hold it, a little longer, okay, I got it".
Nevada
Fore
Warned
Tomahawk chop.
blnelson2 said... And the smile is fake too...
The First Thing that they taught us in acting class is; you smile with your eyes*
WHY is it, that NO politician had learned this? Is it that they're ALL on Botox?
Instead of smiling with their eyes, their acting coaches had told them to wave their arms around
Get NEW COACHES!
smile with your eyes* Smiling with your eyes, also called the “Duchenne smile” or “smizing,” makes you look like you’re genuinely happy. Smiling with your eyes is hard to fake. How to Smile With the Eyes
Those two words: "her pose." Yeah. It's a pose. She's a poser.
George Burns said "Sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
Warren can't; therefore she hasn't.
That picture! I've seen that pose before:
1. Woody from Toy Story
2. Gumby
3. Waldo
I think they all beat Liz to that pose.
I'd bet that Warren can really bust a move dancing around a fire.
Man is that broad weird.
Imagine having to watch her for four years. Ye gods.
OTOH, maybe she's a simulation. Maybe easier to believe than that she's a human being.
If you ignore the wrinkles, she's dressed and built like a 14 y/o boy.
"Taxi !!!"
Photoshop her into a NYC street scene.
That pose will become an unflattering meme
Too bad it wasn't a beer machine. Hey, Norm!
Senator Paleface supports heap big redistribution of wealth.
Can she beat Bernie and get sole control of the Crazy Left lane? Its going to come down to Slow Joe and harris/warren/bernie. I don't see how she beats Harris.
If you ignore the wrinkles, she's dressed and built like a 14 y/o boy.
You'd have to ignore the shoes too.
That looks like a school to me. You can almost smell to cleaning fluids.
Tomahawk chop.
She's doing your avatar's pose but without the éclair.
Lizzie is the College Professor putting on a show for her captive class. She wants to lecture the Americans with her tepid Marxism using modern buzz words that we must regurgitate on her test or get an F. And for that we pay the highest tuition known to man . And all reality is
Memory holed.!God help us.
"Any more energy and she'd look insane." Too late.
"Oil can!"
(From Wiz O Oz)
Big Lemonade is not going to like their puppet posing in front of an Arizona Iced Tea dispenser.
Most Americans can't imagine this woman hectoring and lecturing us for four years. Gag.
But she does look good for 70. All our Well-to-do Masters seem look fantastic for their age and live forever. It must be the (sometimes free) high-quality health care and never having to do any real work.
Old Drunks. Hey, norm!
This image also works in reverse, as in she's leaving, with leg back, ready to make a swift rearward exit, saying goodbye to everyone after wrecking the nation.
"Welp! Time to be hitting the ol' dusty trail!"
The HS Vice Principle as President.
How Liz Warren gets voters to focus on her youthfulness next to Biden and Sanders instead of her age next to all prior first time presidential nominees.
AA: Any more energy and she'd look insane.
She already looks and sounds like a fanatic to me. (I was going to say "unhinged fanatic", but that would be redundant, no?) But I know I'm not representative when it comes to perceptions of candidates.
Why not embed the tweet where she lies about Michael Brown? Aside from “Russia” there have been two other really destructive lies in America in the past few years, “good people” and — even worse — “hands up don’t shoot”. Both have been embraced by leading Democrat candidates.
Warren straight up called the cop a murderer.
I kind of hope she gets the nomination. While Biden vs. Trump would be an endlessly amusing race of blowhard vs. blowhard, I would enjoy watching my fellow upper-middle-class professionals twist themselves into knots trying to figure out whether Warren or Trump is the lesser evil.
Biden makes it too easy for them.
If you lose your money
please don't lose your mind
If you lose your money,
please call 702-530-7632
press option #3
and ask for Liz.
Somebody give that woman a pizza!
Like Hilary before her, Warren has her PR people pushing the idea that she is "smart" with no evidence of that assertion. She lied her way onto the Harvard faculty where she proceeded to do nothing of any note. No important publications, no highly successful grad students, nothing. She was a mediocre professor, one of thousands in the country. And she's dishonest. Why is she even a thing?
Maybe it should have been
“Lizzie Warren took a tax
gave your paycheck forty whacks.
When she saw what she had done
She gave your checkbook forty one."
I read over the weekend somewhere that Warren has built up a very seriously strong campaign operation in Nevada. My thought was that if she's done that, in Nevada, from her post in New England, outflanking Harris and the others already, she may have the best organization of the lot of them.
In which case you should get ready for Warren v Trump.
She was a prominent writer on bankruptcy law. (And a Republican, I think).
no "lardaceous elephant" descriptors this time ??
but how 'bout "toothpickipherous Mantis"
Of course it's Old Drinks. Look at the size of those selector buttons. And to go with the life under socialism theme, there are nine selector buttons but only seven products.
She looks great for Elizabeth Warren.
That's damning with the faintest of praise.
She's the second best looking female law prof associated with this post.
'And this little number I call the Officer Wilson Defamation Dance!'
Jeff: Why is she even a thing?
Political operatives have had a lot of success in getting significant portions of the American public to accept lightweights and sub-mediocrities as "serious intellects" and "the adult in the room".
(That's why I have a hard time taking the "clown" objection to Trump at face-value. "But he's a clown! He's a buffoon! He's incompetent to govern!" Well, OK, and...? Since when has that been a stumbling block to someone getting your vote?")
Even better now that I've looked closer, it appears that most of the selections may be duplicates. So nine selectors, seven active, but only three products.
In through the out door. She needs a raspberry beret.
The George McFly look.
"Hey You! Get Your Damn Hands Off the Money!
She should be and look sad -- not happy -- because it's five years ago that Michael Brown was murdered by a police officer.
She was a prominent writer on bankruptcy law. (And a Republican, I think).
I understand much of her bankruptcy research is bogus.
Health-care-related bankruptcies, touted as a key justification for passing Obamacare in 2010, are not nearly as prevalent as reform proponents such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren have claimed, researchers say.
Findings of an exhaustive report published in the American Economic Review this year have sparked a lively debate as the Trump administration rolls back key portions of the health care law.
Matthew Notowidigdo, an associate professor of economics at Northwestern University, and fellow researchers looked at the rate of first-time health emergencies and resulting debt levels for patients. The result: About 4 percent of insured patients and 6 percent of uninsured patients ended up filing for bankruptcy.
She included every case in which medical costs was included as due to medical costs.
The hand gesture is Cherokee for "give me all your wampum."
The Book of Genesis describes how she became a pillar of salt after she looked back at Sodom
“Lizzie Warren took a tax
gave your paycheck forty whacks.
When she saw what she had done
She gave your checkbook forty one."
Brilliant
readering,
You're lying about two things.
1) Her bankruptcy writing was advocacy and wrong,
2) She is a Marxist and shares nothing intellectually with Republicans.
Just stop.
I always enjoy when the number of comments goes down.
It smells like sanity.
They are showing her 'outside' of the venue, instead of a picture inside, because there are probably about 20 people.
If she had a nice crowd. That would be shown.
Perhaps I'm wrong. Show me.
Elizabeth Warren has the smile of another bandit: Tuco Benedicto PacÃfico Juan MarÃa RamÃrez.
Know as "The Rat".
I've often found there's a certain awkwardness when career politicians take photos like this. It's like they're trying too hard to be relaxed and they come off as creatures in a person suit. Or maybe they're just shoddy simulations stuck in the disturbing uncanny valley, very close to a real person but not quite there.
I mean, if you just showed me this photo apropos of nothing, and I happen to not know exactly who she is, I suspect I would still find something odd about it. The strange stance alone feels a bit unnatural.
.. combing your blonde hair ...
She had darker hair and did look like she could be part Indian.
She looks like Miss Jane Hathaway now.
1. Woody
2. Gumby
3. Waldo
4. Bob's Big Boy
5. Zapp Brannigan
She looks like an idiot. Scrawny fanatics are just as dangerous as fat ones. But she's not really a fanatic about anything other than acquiring power. Her phony to fanatic ratio is on the order of 10x.
Her hands look a little too big for comfort.
Fake it til you make it. She gives currency to that old adage. Has there ever been a politician less gifted in making a spontaneous gesture? Maybe Nixon, but Nixon was sincerely buttoned down. She pretends to be loose and fun loving. Don't make me laugh.
readering: "She was a prominent writer on bankruptcy law. (And a Republican, I think)."
LOL
Where do you get this BS and why do you swallow it whole?
Birkel, there's this thing, Google....
And, in other news, Warren insisted that the cop in Ferguson murdered Michael Brown.
Despite the legal outcome to the contrary.
@Shouting Thomas, the legal outcome can be wrong, but the forensic evidence is unequivocal. The Democrats as “the party of science”? Bullshit. Junk science, maybe, but real science — not a chance.
Career politician when he's in her sixties when she goes into politics?
Looks more like a pose Gumby would strike to me, though the Saturday Night Fever look comes close.
"I think I'll have me a beer". Warren's disingenuousness is harmless and comical. She is utterly unnatural in her public engagement, especially with mainstream folks. I won't vote for Liz (she would make a gawdawful POTUS) but she really is likable enough.
There are many things about the Democrats’ promotion of Warren that piss me off, but the one that really gripes me is the bland assertion that whiter-than-white bread Warren never gained any advantage by calling herself a Native American. No one with an IQ above 90 truly believes that, and Democrats saying otherwise are only showing off their contempt for the average voter.
readering,
Imagine a world where you're spouting bull shit and everybody knows it.
Try googling that.
readering misgendered Warren.
Call the PC police.
That's a man, baby!
-Austin Powers and readering
Btw, Warren is not a career politician. She's spent the great majority of her adult life in academia, at prestigious schools, surrounded by other academics. That she is awkwardly unnatural in these sorts of political situations, with regular folks, is to be expected. She doesn't disappoint.
Turned up nothing with your suggested search. What did you turn up with mine?
Shes been a fraud in personal representation ams academic theory, other than that.
Sorry, that smile with that pose crossed the line into manic.
Now, she also looks fantastic.
Compared to what?
I can't fathom Warren's foray into affirmative action because she really was a top notch academic. I suspect. She thought it was trendy somehow.
No not at all:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2018/06/elizabeth-warrens-academic-claim-to-fame-may-be-no-more-legitimate-than-her-claim-to-be-native-american/amp/
If I were forced to place a bet today on who gets the nomination, it would be Warren, but she does have the kiss of death of being predicted by America’s Politico.
Ferdinandistan is right though, she’s doing the “And Another Thing!” pose
Let's see.
What I turned up was that Warren's "scholarship" was advocacy for Leftist Collectivist political outcomes.
Imagine my surprise to know an academic was pushing outcomes instead of accurately describing the world.
You're a fucking idiot was the #1 hit on google.
Her foray into lying was an effort to cheat her way to personal success within a flawed system created by Leftist Collectivists.
You're welcome, readering.
"I can't fathom Warren's foray into affirmative action because she really was a top notch academic.”
Really? You do know that she has the lowest law school rank of anybody who every even got a second look from Harvard Law and that her bankruptcy paper has been thoroughly discredited, right?
Oh you wouldn’t know that. because. you only believe the stuff you read in papers that change headlines if the readers are offended. You would never go to an academic journal, preferring to read only what solidly anti-trump news papers owned by hyper rich folks publish.
Maybe she did it because she was sort of naive at 17 and it got away from her. I could forgive that. What I can’t forgive is the blatent lie of hers that she never got any advantage from it.
That seat at Harvard Law could have as easily gone to a black person. It wasn’t “reserved” for an American Indian.
I'm not planning to vote for Warren (but would over the bankruptcy beneficiary in the White House). But she was a leading bankruptcy professor, ending up at Harvard. But I guess she's a threat based on the frothing in the comments.
She reminds me of Nixon, only not not as genuine.
Think about it.
Ah, just more Warren Derangement Syndrome on display. But really, what did I expect?
As far as looking insane, Trump looked insane to more than half of America when he was running and since he’s been president he hasn’t changed. A Warren-Trump debate will be a thing to behold. She’s no Clinton.
I.e., Nixon was not a fake. He was what he was.
Warren is a fake, and transparently so because she's an inept fake. Worse, her real self is more repulsive than her fake self. And that's saying a lot.
Massholes tossed Scott Brown for this phony.
"She’s no Clinton.”
Is that what you are betting on? Because she reminds me a lot of Hillary. Including the part about how everybody says she’s so smart, but she never shows us she’s smart.
“Warren, a visiting professor from the University of Pennsylvania, taught courses on bankruptcy and commercial law and was “very popular with students,” according to a 1995 article published in The Crimson.
“She was very lively, engaged the class to a great extent,” said William Anspach, a former student of Warren’s and a 1993 graduate of the Law School.
Some Law School students so adored Warren—and were so passionate about increasing faculty diversity at the school—that they wound up holding two separate vigils to support Warren's possible tenure.
The first vigil came in Dec. 1992, when students gathered silently outside Pound Hall to advocate for the tenuring of one of two female visiting professors at the time—Warren and another woman who then taught at Yale. The students knew one of the women was up for a tenure vote, but they were not certain which one.
Despite the uncertainty, around 60 students attended, some holding fluorescent-colored posters bearing slogans including “Diversity Now” and “Good Enough for the Cabinet but not for HLS,” according to a 1992 Crimson article. Seven different student groups, including the Coalition for Civil Rights, the Asian-American Law Association and the Women's Law Association, helped organize the vigil.
Warren, however, was not the subject of the Dec. 1992 vote; she instead came up for a tenure vote roughly two months later in Feb. 1993. Students again organized a vigil outside Pound Hall and eagerly awaited the result.
Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe wrote in an email that most of the faculty participating in the 1993 vote supported Warren’s bid for tenure.
“The only reason there was any controversy at all was that one elderly and well-established bankruptcy scholar at the law school was planning to retire before long and didn’t see her filling his shoes, so he prevented her from winning unanimous acclaim, although of course she did win the supermajority required for tenure,” Tribe wrote.
“The only ‘diversity’ issue I recall coming up was that it would be great to add a brilliant, energetic woman to a faculty that was so uniformly male at the time,” he added.
Warren was ultimately granted tenure by the close of that night in Feb. 1993. But she decided not to take up the position until 1995, citing “family reasons.””
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/5/22/warren-tenure/
"Ah, just more Warren Derangement Syndrome on display. But really, what did I expect? “
So she didn’t defraud, probably a black person, out of a job at Harvard? I would love to hear this explanation, because her explanation that she recieved no advantage from her false claim doesn’t explain the facts of her job and her law school ranking.
Lincolntf said, "That toothy grin. I can just picture the photographer saying "hold it, hold it, a little longer, okay, I got it"."
Yes, the picture does look posed, and as Althouse suggests composed to get the "old drinks" juxtaposition.
But, the comparison to the "Saturday Night Fever" poster really doesn't work. Travolta's back is arched and that extended arm looks like a missile to the moon. Liz looks like she's waving from a slight stoop, just like an old lady.
Which, of course, she is.
Basically, most of Warren's research on bankruptcy appears to have conclusions that are at best misleading and at worst outright incorrect. And it isn't just conservative's who've been saying this, it's the NYT.
But from the beginning many economists questioned the paper’s approach, which relied on surveys of nearly 1,800 Americans who had declared bankruptcy in 2001 and interviews with about half of them on their views about the causes of their financial woes after the fact. The researchers counted a bankruptcy as due to injury or illness if a person had a medical debt of more than $1,000; said illness or injury caused a bankruptcy; missed more than two weeks of work because of illness; or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills.
Mr. Mahoney, for example, said the team “wrote the paper in a way that was deliberately provocative, and they got out ahead of their skis.”
Craig Garthwaite, a health economist at the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern, who also studies medical debt, offered a more negative assessment: “There are no reputable economists who I deal with who believe the number in the paper or the methods in the paper are appropriate in trying to get at the true underlying question.”
Writing in Health Affairs in 2006, David Dranove and Michael Millenson, then both on the faculty at Kellogg, analyzed the underlying survey figures differently and concluded that medical problems were probably responsible for less than 20 percent of all American bankruptcies...
...Last March, a team of economists from M.I.T., Northwestern University and the University of California, Santa Cruz, published another paper, making use of a California database of every hospitalization in the state. By examining the credit reports of all the hospitalized people to see who filed for bankruptcy afterward, the researchers concluded that medical shocks related to hospitalization could explain 4 percent of all bankruptcies.
Their paper was published in The New England Journal of Medicine under a bold title: “Myth and Measurement: The Case of Medical Bankruptcies.” The authors argued that their paper was the first to definitively demonstrate that medical shocks did cause some people to go bankrupt. It found that missed work caused by illness was often a bigger contributor to financial difficulties than medical bills themselves.
"Massholes tossed Scott Brown for this phony."
Hey, not all of us!
I've looked at that photo a half dozen times now and laugh more with each subsequent viewing. She's making a face similar to the one my young (<4 yrs) grandchildren make when asked to smile for a photo.
So who was the native American that Harvard Law was bragging about?
“At some point after I was hired by them, I … provided that information to the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard,” she said in a statement to the Boston Globe, acknowledging the designation for the first time. “My Native American heritage is part of who I am, I’m proud of it and I have been open about it.”
A critical part of complying with these regulations is keeping track of the exact number of women and minorities on the faculty and staff. The 1999 document breaks this information down by school: i.e., education, nursing, law. On page 113 of the 1999 edition (available via the Internet Archive), the breakdown for Harvard Law School lists one Native American professor:
You have to hand it to Google though, that make this shit hard to find, and pro-Warren stuff by the likes of The Boston Globe dominate the returned links, even though my keywords should have returned this story near the top.
cut and paste Inga is back.
"'She was a prominent writer on bankruptcy law. (And a Republican, I think).'
"I understand much of her bankruptcy research is bogus."
It's certainly possible Warren's research on bankruptcy is wrong, or bogus, (two different things), and I make no claims pro or con for her research, but in the article you link to, this seems to be the relevant passage:
"Matthew Notowidigdo, an associate professor of economics at Northwestern University, and fellow researchers looked at the rate of first-time health emergencies and resulting debt levels for patients. The result: "About 4 percent of insured patients and 6 percent of uninsured patients ended up filing for bankruptcy.
"That was a far cry from the claim advanced in a 2009 study by Ms. Warren and internal physician Dr. David Himmelstein that over 60 percent of bankruptcies in the U.S. were caused by extreme medical debt." Ms. Warren at the time was one of the country’s best-known bankruptcy law specialists."
I'm no expert on statistics, but the two things compared here do not seem the same to me. The first states the percentage of insured and uninsured persons who filed for bankruptcy. The second states the percentage of U.S. bankruptcies that were driven by extreme medical debt. If the article wants to debunk Warren's outcomes, shouldn't it state the actual "percentage of U.S. bankruptcies caused by extreme medical debt," rather than the number of insured and uninsured persons who filed for bankruptcy?
It looks like Franki/Inga has picked her favorite Socialist.
She pasted an article from the Harvard Crimson quoting the completely sane Larry Tribe. LOL!
Hopefully, they are not using big words that she cannot understand, not that she reads what you cut and paste.
Shes an utter fraud, she should never have been published, but that would have stopped her path to dumbing down the people ams undergirding the stimulus tarp and obamacare.
Warren is trying to win votes by expressing her hatred for wypipo. Good luck with that, Lizzie!
She needs to be sued for defamation by Darren Wilson.
Warren needs an Injun drumming in her face and singing a sacred song 27/7.
Darren Wilson SHOULD sue her.
She's a fucking liar. and a race bating hypocrite.
a 2009 study by Ms. Warren and internal physician Dr. David Himmelstein that over 60 percent of bankruptcies in the U.S. were caused by extreme medical debt."
Steffie Woolhandler and Himmelstein have been on a campaign for single payer since the 1960s. Of course, both have never had any practice outside a Harvard university clinic.
Her statistics are bogus, as I pointed out. They took every bankruptcy filing that included medical debt and included it as being due to medical debt, a fallacy. Anyone who declares bankruptcy includes all debts.
Wow! Have you ever heard of such a thing? A bunch of Marxist students get together to protest for the hiring of a Marxist professor? In the words of Pedro, of the South of the Border billboards: “I never sausage a thing!"
A Warren-Trump debate will be a thing to behold. She’s no Clinton.
It is too much to hope for, Inga but I would love to see it.
There's probably a couple problems with the conclusion that "60 percent of bankruptcies in the U.S. were caused by extreme medical debt." They evidently counted anyone who had a medical debt of greater than $1000 who declared bankruptcy as the specific case for their declaration of bankruptcy being the medical debt. Similary if they missed two or more weeks of work or if they took another mortgage on their house to pay a medical bill. It's one thing to conclude that these factors most likely contributed to someone declaring bankruptcy, it's another to state that they were the outright causes.
You could also quible about the sample size being a bit too small, at 1800 people.
Cook: “If the article wants to debunk Warren's outcomes, shouldn't it state the actual "percentage of U.S. bankruptcies caused by extreme medical debt," rather than the number of insured and uninsured persons who filed for bankruptcy?”
Nonapod’s post at 10:22 seems to have what you’re looking for.
“By examining the credit reports of all the hospitalized people to see who filed for bankruptcy afterward, the researchers concluded that medical shocks related to hospitalization could explain 4 percent of all bankruptcies.”
I don’t think that’s she who shall not be named, but you can see why they resort to trolling. They don’t argue in a search for truth, they only want to win, and when their argument falls apart, they still think that winning is more important than getting at the truth, so they resort to trolling to try to shut down whatever forum they are on.
It’s pathetic, but we have seen in time and again, not just here, but other places. They start out with hothouse arguments that never fail at lefty blogs where all dissenting comments are deleted and the commenters banned, and when they can’t stand the Socrates treatment of question after question, they resort to smears and words like “associated” or “many,” words whose meanings are so broad that you can stuff anything in there.
I'm no expert on statistics,
@Cookie, you can say that again!
but the two things compared here do not seem the same to me.
And for a change you're right. Here is a site that has compiled bankruptcy statistics for the US for the twelve years 2006 - 2017. Sixty percent of the 12.7 million non-business bankruptcies works out to 7,665,347 bankruptcies that, per Warren, are caused by "extreme medical debt." Does that pass the smell test to you?
Having been through bankruptcy, BTW, it’s not “debtor’s prison” or anything. You choose not to insure yourself, you lose your stuff and the people who took care of you when you really needed it get something, if they are lucky, and you go on your merry way without debt. I bought a house within a year of my bankruptcy. Cars were more pricey because of the higher interest rates, but oh well.
"A bunch of Marxist students get together to protest for the hiring of a Marxist professor?"
Warren a Marxist? Hahaha! Where do you guys get such nitwit ideas?
She is running against Biden, and I think doing decently. Biden has the inside track, but doesn’t appear mentally up to the run. Maybe physically too. She comes across as mentally sharp and physically fit, doing well for a 70 year old. I think that the thought may be to hold as close to Biden as possible, waiting for him to totally spaz out. He really is too old and dotty.
She appears to me to be the hardest working and most industrious Dem candidate. She has (wacky) positions on pretty much everything, and has been working hard to build decent state organizations. So many of the others seem to think that they can wait and do those things later. But some, I think, have real jobs. She is a Senator, which means that almost full time campaigning is just fine.
Her real problem, I think, is that she just isn’t that likable. She tries too hard to be popular, and it doesn’t work, because we all know she is being phony. She is the girl we all hated in school, because she always got the A by working hard, then bringing the the teacher apples every day. But it may be enough - she is no more unlikable than Crooked Hillary, who came within a whisker of winning. Actually, on an unlikability scale of 1-10, I would put Warren at 8-9, and Clinton at least a solid 12.
If it ends up being Warren/Williamson there will be at least one decent pair of breasts between them. Why is Warren still rocking this old wizened little boy/lesbian look?
Oh yes... w hen blow the cropped section up one also notices the man-hands and thick wrists along with the glazed look of deep insanity drilled into the "next-stop a buzzcut" skull.
It is a puzzlement why the media keep trying to report as if there is a race for winning the election a year and a half from now is going on.
Blessed be my remote!
"Warren a Marxist? Hahaha! Where do you guys get such nitwit ideas?”
You support her.
"Her real problem, I think, is that she just isn’t that likable. She tries too hard to be popular, and it doesn’t work, because we all know she is being phony. She is the girl we all hated in school, because she always got the A by working hard, then bringing the the teacher apples every day. But it may be enough - she is no more unlikable than Crooked Hillary, who came within a whisker of winning. Actually, on an unlikability scale of 1-10, I would put Warren at 8-9, and Clinton at least a solid 12."
Unlikable based on what criteria? I think Warren is among the more likable politicians, a cohort that is largely unlikable overall. She seems sincere to me, and down to earth. Of course, she's vastly more likable than loathsome Hillary, and Hillary's equally loathsome counterpart, Donald Trump. But then, "likability" is not really an indicator of competence.
Judging by the BleachBit job Google has done on her affirmative action fraud, it’s pretty clear that she has help from the hyper wealthy.
I do not greatly care what ideas these people have. None of them are capable of running a government.
If we are to have a pinko woman president, I’d prefer AOC since she’s clearly not post-menopausal. She’s far more interesting to watch as a piece of sexual exotica than the elderly paleskin redskin.
- Krumhorn
I never understood why sports pages devote so much space to off season and preseason. There's a market.
Not too early for those AOC in '28 bumper stickers
"'Warren a Marxist? Hahaha! Where do you guys get such nitwit ideas?'
"You support her."
1. I like her. I don't necessarily support her. She's too mainstream in some of her positions, (expressed criticisms of Julian Assange, voted for recent increases in the War Department budget, both BIG turnoffs for me).
2. Even if I supported her, that is not an indication she is a Marxist. Be a little more rigorous, as opposed to childish, in your means of determining a person's political philosophy or orientation.
Cook said: about Warren. Unlikable based on what criteria? I think Warren is among the more likable politicians, a cohort that is largely unlikable overall. She seems sincere to me, and down to earth.
Bruce gave you his criteria. Her real problem, I think, is that she just isn’t that likable. She tries too hard to be popular, and it doesn’t work, because we all know she is being phony. She is the girl we all hated in school, because she always got the A by working hard, then bringing the the teacher apples every day.
You have your opinion too and are entitled to hold that opinion. Opinions are opinions, not facts and certainly not truth as Biden puts it. We can all disagree about opinons. Your opinion of Warren is just as valid as Bruce's or mine.
I agree with Bruce, in that I get the feeling/impression/opinion that Warren is just a big phony and tries too hard. Creating forced, awkward and phony photos and videos....such as "gonna get me a beer".
Really? Does anyone think that Warren actually speaks like this or do we think that she is putting on what she thinks that the common/deplorable people say. Trying too hard to have the "common touch".
Forced and fake. Just like Kerry who wanted to: Get ME a huntin' license here.
Fake people are unlikable because we get the sense that they are hiding something important that we should know about.
If you have the opinion that she is kinda sorta likeable compared to the other horrors that are running, I guess that is something.
Chickenpox is better than Smallpox..... I suppose
"Be a little more rigorous, as opposed to childish, in your means of determining a person's political philosophy or orientation.”
OK, Fine.
Imagine my surprise that a group of leftist students demonstrated in support of tenure for a leftist professor.
My real problem with my original comment was the use of “protest” for “demonstration.” Anyway, somebody said she was not a lifelong politician. I beg to differ. I actually think she has a real shot at beating the dotard. But Trump will point out the damage she intends for people who count on jobs that rely on dependable energy, for one thing and wipe the floor with her.
(eaglebeak)
Depends on what the meaning of fantastic is.
Josh Kraushaar shows up on Fox's Bret Baier now and then. I wish he would tell Baier how to pronounce Kraushaar.
To think, if AOC runs for president in 40 years, she'll still be younger than Sanders, Biden, Trump and Warren now. Hope she looks as good as Warren does in that photo.
Re Gilbar above:
It always bothered me that Bob Hope's eyes never smiled.
Not to mention Bill Clinton; always cold and watching, watching.
I always want the least objectionable democrat to run - just in case they win.
Prior to 2008, I was alone in thinking Obama was better than Hillary.
Warren WAS that for me, but her comments recently have made it clear she is as big of a radical nutter than the rest of the D-field.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned her involvement in the creation of the Consumer Protection Finance Bureau, (CFPB), which was designed to circumvent federal executive branch control, by making it hard to replace the director and having it funded by the Federal Reserve. It took Trump awhile and some deft maneuvers to remove Richard Cordray from that post.
"I always want the least objectionable democrat to run - just in case they win."
The least objectionable ones this time around have no chance, unfortunately. The Dems are not going to nominate a quasi-centrist unless it's Biden. Who is less of a Lefty than Warren, Sanders, Harris, Buttigieg, etc., but is unfortunately pretty dim and possibly senile. He was no rock of Gibraltar in his prime, but in his current diminished state I suspect he'll be cowed into doing whatever the activist leftist fringe wants.
Warren is a despicable human being which means she's just another democrat politician except that she is the most ruthless(she's a mean girl)and so she'll be the dem candidate.
I wonder how many cops will vote for her. In other words, how many cops are completely crazy?
readering: "But she was a leading bankruptcy professor, ending up at Harvard. But I guess she's a threat based on the frothing in the comments."
She is every bit the threat to the economy that Hugo Chavez was.
"Vote for this one and you WILL lose your money"
Warren is every bit as "spontaneous" and "natural" as the picture of Bill and Hill dancing "alone" on an "empty" beach with "just" the Secret Service around.......(except for the photographer who somehow "slipped" thru the Secret Service cordon to snap that pic, at just the right angle and lighting, of Hillary gazing lovingly into Bill's eyes...)
That was right about the time we found out Billy boy was shoving cigars up interns...much to the delight and favor of the democrat base voters, like Inga.
why do leftists get away with lying and libel so often?
They should pay, every time.
I want Warren sued for her lies about Darren Wilson.
btw- what's going on with Nick Sandman case?
It isn't just GingerBeer- as I scrolled down to take in the full picture of Warren, John Travolta was the very first thought that came to me, too!
Warren's problem right now is Bernie Sanders, not Joe Biden. The reverse also applies to Sanders. There isn't room for both in the race- both depend heavily on winning in New Hampshire next Winter, and if they are both still in the race, it is very likely that New Hampshire will be won by someone not named Sanders or Warren.
"I'm a gonna get myself..a beer!"
Lurker wrote:
"She may actually get the nomination. She has the right kind of wackiness and pandering for the party. What I mean is, she has a way of making it seem like she really believes it and isn't just trying to win votes."
Yes, this also my feeling- she seems more authentic than many of the others, and it is an advantage she has. Sanders has that same vibe, though in his case, I think it is true belief. All the others come off as phony as a 3 dollar bill.
She needs a catchy 80s group name like The Freebies. Maybe she could release a single with songs like You Didn't Build That and I'm My Own Lone Ranger and Tonto Too.
Likable or unlikable? That depends more on which side of the political fence you are on. Sincere or insincere? She panders. she positions herself strategically. She tells the crowd what it wants to hear. But she does it in such an awkward, goofy way that it comes off looking authentic and even - if you already like her and agree with her - endearing.
Trump can be awkward and blundering in what he says, but he doesn't have the same rehearsed and calculating manner of other politicians, so his supporters give him a pass. Doubtless, Warren does calculate and position herself to win votes, but the result is so awkward and clumsy that it seems genuine and unrehearsed to her supporters.
These things are always best seen in comparison to other candidates. Liz's goofiness and awkwardness and accent make her seem less slick and manipulative than Booker or Buttigieg or Gillibrand. It doesn't seem like she's a Lizzie-come-lately to current Democratic positions, even though she didn't always think as she does now.
And though she's hardly a genuinely warm person, she's not as chilly and aloof as Harris. There's stridency in her rhetoric that produces a strong negative reaction if one already disagrees with her, but she's got a folksiness that her fans like.
About Harvard: She got the job because they wanted her husband, and most likely she would have gotten it as a White woman. The Native American thing certainly didn't hurt, though.
walter: ""I'm a gonna get myself..a beer!"
And a "huntin' license"!! And some turquoise jewelry!!
"She's spent the great majority of her adult life in academia"
A repeat of Woodrow Wilson, in other words?
Byron York
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Byron York Retweeted Elizabeth Warren
This case was extensively investigated by local and federal authorities, and what Warren says is simply not true. Amazing that a US senator and leading presidential candidate would say this.
Elizabeth Warren
Verified account @ewarren
5 years ago Michael Brown was murdered by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. Michael was unarmed yet he was shot 6 times. I stand with activists and organizers who continue the fight for justice for Michael. We must confront systemic racism and police violence head on.
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Warren is pandering but @RogerLau should tell her @EricHolder's DOJ investigated & found Michael Brown not only tried to grab a cop's gun which went off in the car, but he also physically charged at him to try to kill him. Wilson was found to be justified to use the force he did.
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Lowering her head and running straight at it.
To the Editor:
Re the Jan. 29 Op-Ed article on hiring at Harvard Law School: Since 1989 the school has appointed to the faculty or voted tenure for four African-Americans, a Hispanic professor and eight women, including a Native American.
The school first offered a visiting professorship to Lani Guinier in 1992. Because of her nomination by President Clinton and for personal reasons, she was unable to accept our offer until January 1996. We offered her a tenured professorship in February 1996 and were happy to receive her acceptance of the offer this month.
Over all, 44 percent of the people appointed to positions of professoror assistant professor since Robert Clark became dean in 1989 have been women or minorities group members. We expect this trend in faculty hiring to continue.
MICHAEL CHMURA
News Director, Harvard Law School
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/01/opinion/l-integrating-harvard-law-363634.html
Letter to the New York Times.
The links from the Brietbart piece have been disappeared from the fucking wayback machine and there is a prominent notice warning against violating their copyright. Not quite as good as the scrubbing they did for the Kavanaugh accusers, but the people backing Warren can get things done.
Readering,
Seriously? Warren was as much a Republican as she was an indian squaw.
Does anyone on the hivemind left care about facts/truth anymore?
Hugo Chavez (RIP 2013)! Memo go out not to use Kim Jong-un?
"But she was a leading bankruptcy professor, ending up at Harvard.”
Yes, she ended up at Harvard due to her “brilliance"
"I've often found there's a certain awkwardness when career politicians take photos like this. It's like they're trying too hard to be relaxed and they come off as creatures in a person suit."
An Edgar Suit.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613
Sorry, one of these days I'll learn live links but not today.
When we point out things to readering that he never sees on lefty blogs, its “frothing.”
That is one bulletproof defense mechanism you have going there.
I did finance and bankruptcy litigation for many years. That's how I learned about Liz Warren. Never thought she would go into politics.
Yes, Hillary was a Republican too as a young person.
I don't read lefty blogs much. (Does anyone know of some to recommend?)
“I do not greatly care what ideas these people have. None of them are capable of running a government”
I think for the Dems, that is a feature, not a bug. Obama didn’t have a clue when he was inaugurated, and didn’t have much more when he left office. For him, it was mostly inviting famous actors and athletes to the White House to shoot hoops, figuring his brackets, some golf, and having AF-1 ready whenever he needed another vacation from being so important. Actual running of the government was done by actually a combination of government functionaries and political power brokers, who were awarded departments as private fiefdoms, to loot as they felt best, mimicking what has worked so well in Chicago. And when anything went wrong, he could claim that he learned about it with the rest of us on the news.
To maybe her credit, Warren is maybe one of the Dem contenders who might actually try to run the government. Of course, she has absolutely zero relevant training or experience in this area. Most seem to think that the looting and mismanagement, under Obama, while the government essentially ran itself, is a good template.
BleachBit-and-Hammers said, "I want Warren sued for her lies about Darren Wilson."
Maybe Tulsi will call Warren out in the next debate, assuming she gets there.
Just imagine Tulsi positioned between Liz and Kamala and both women hitting her with rainbow-colored pillows.
Bruce Hayden at 11:04 a.m. has a really insightful comment on Warren's strengths as a candidate.
I hope Biden will "spaz out" but I (and most Republican candidates, who left him alone) thought Trump would in 2015-16. Starting to worry it won't happen.
Readering will believe anything, apparently, if it suits her priors.
Look, Warren claimed to be a Republican because it was the easiest path of advancement at the time. When that changed, she was suddenly a Democrat. Same way she was a Native American.
Some of us are have a bit too much pride to look like a moron, even those posting anonymously. I guess you have no real pride.
We all know why she’s fascinated by that pose... (Wink, wink.)
Trumo was sui generis cruz shared some oositions but didnt have the samd ounch
https://babalublog.com/2019/08/12/uh-oh-castrophile-leftist-candidates-win-primary-election-in-argentina/?fbclid=IwAR28dWQP5PXMvN9V9VrEiFvsLzx97hdr4gTSbAQqgcoMoUJUC0_axaEZD-s
Biden will "still be the Dem nominee"
This is my nightmare. He will choose some far-left woman as his running mate, and if he wins, he'll die in office and we'll have a socialist president. In fact, I think some Dems are counting on it.
Obama may also have had ideas of his own, but he was largely a front man for the Annenberg Foundation - or Bill Ayers manipulating the Annenberg Foundation - as evidenced by his magical career, rising effortlessly from obscure "community organizer" to presidential candidate.
I don't see anybody in the present "clown car" having any backing like that behind them.
Did someone mention Stayin' Alive?
I mean, even a bird brain can. . . . . . oh, wait.
Yeah, and Hillary was a Republican too.
Liar.
"Obama may also have had ideas of his own, but he was largely a front man for the Annenberg Foundation - or Bill Ayers manipulating the Annenberg Foundation - as evidenced by his magical career, rising effortlessly from obscure 'community organizer' to presidential candidate."
Obama was a front man for Wall Street and the big financial institutions. Marxists all!
I can't really judge how likeabe Elizabeth Warren is to her target demographics.
Given all that I know of her, I personally find her to be dishonest and even machiavellian in her ambition. We're talking about a person who took advantage of a system by (I believe) knowingly lying about her heritage. Even if you were to put the best possible spin on it, that she simply chose to believe a family story, it's still morally questionable in my opinion.
So she's dishonest. In fairness, the same could be said about most successful national level politicians. This obviously doesn't really speak to someone's "likability" factor. As we all know, just because someone's reprehensible doesn't mean they can't be charming.
Just going by her demeanor, the way she's behaived on camera, she doesn't seem that likable to me. But again, I'm not her target demographic. Maybe her awkwardness is charming to some people? Obviously a lot of people forgive her awkward pandering "Imma git me a beer" moment. I'll admit that I find it difficult to understand some people's appeal.
readering: "Hugo Chavez (RIP 2013)! Memo go out not to use Kim Jong-un?"
LOL
Only the left uses journolist memos to get everyone on left/LLR-left on the same
talking point page. As demonstrated every single day.
But only every single day for every issue.
My newest favorite journolisty lefty guidance instruction on Epstein included directing Team Left members to continue with their "ROLCON" activities (online "conservative" role-playing to advance the lefts talking points)!
Can you think of anyone at Althouse who fits that description?
...cuz I can....
If there was a memo on the left there would be more love for my hero (Obama)
"Biden will "still be the Dem nominee""
No.
Quite serious, Cookie,
Franklin Pierce is the only other president I can think of about whom I cannot remember any known accomplishment(s) prior to being elected president.
I don't see anybody in the present "clown car" having any backing like that behind them
Harris but she is just too nasty. Obama was a charming empty suit.
"I think for the Dems, that is a feature, not a bug."
That was my thought as well when I read Hagar's comment. But I would also add the Republicans. No one in Washington, or Wall Street, or any other place relying on maintaining influence or even just the status quo, wants an independent thinker/executive in the White House. Trump's tenure has illuminated this in spades.
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