July 30, 2019

I guess we’re watching the Democratic Party candidates’ debate.

Not promising I’ll have anything to say, but here’s a place to talk about it.

And my son John is live-blogging it here.

7:07 — Oh, no! A gun! Tim Ryan doesn't have his hand over his heart for the National Anthem. Great rendition of the song.

7:11 — Amy and Liz are wearing red jackets (Liz's is brighter and longer), and Marianne is in an all-black suit. The men are, of course, all in dark suits, but Buttigieg is distinguished with a somewhat lighter blue-colored suit.

7:14 — Opening statements, what a bore! Bullock — he gets stuff done. He says people "can't wait for revolution" — that's ambiguous! Marianne Williamson rails against an "amoral economic system" which has become "a false god." John Delaney is against "impossible promises" that "will get Trump reelected." Tim Ryan has a top-of-the-head/bottom-of-the-head-disproportion... and not in the right direction. Hickenlooper shares progressive values but is "a little more pragmatic." Who's clearing their throat into the mike while Hickenlooper is talking?! Amy Klobuchar has "had it with the racist attacks" (not sure if she means the attacks from Trump or on Trump). Beto O'Rourke wants to stand up against "a lawless President." Buttigieg says "our country is running out of time." What's that thing on his face? Elizabeth Warren says Trump is a "disgrace" but he's just part of a "rigged system" that "kicks dirt" at... oh, is that what happened to Buttigieg's face? Bernie Sanders is pissed at Amazon. His upper lip is Nixonizing.

7:26 — The first question goes to Bernie Sanders and lets him plug in his health-care proposal. Dull! He's pitted against Delaney, who's criticized Sanders's plan. "Why do we gotta be the party that's taking something away from people?" Warren breaks in. Her theme tonight seems to be about how the Democrats really all want the same thing. She insists on telling an anecdote about a "cute little boy." It's all out of control! Jake Tapper breaks in to tame her: Are you for Medicare for all? She brushes it off to get back to her anecdote — "I want to get back to Addie" — and the crowd laughs. She chides, "It's not funny." We are scolded, scolded for expecting her to answer the question asked.

7:34 — The health-care issue is too complicated to discuss in this agitated, rushed way. It's making me ill. So much yelling and stress. I'm tuning out on this issue. I don't think it works well in a debate, not with all these contestants and tight time limits and permitting candidates to break in and go overtime. It's incredibly irritating.

7:45 — A lot of concern about union members losing the private health insurance benefits in the move to Medicare for all. Delaney explains how health care will decline under that plan — it's a matter of simple arithmetic — and Sanders accuses him of profiteering off private insurance. It seems like a wild slur. Sanders gets so mad and turns bright red. It's so off-putting!

7:51 — They're talking about immigration. Sanders just assured us we would have "strong border protections," but most of the talk is about "de-criminalizing" crossing the border. Bullock was sounding a bit like Trump and then he said the whole problem was Trump. I'm hearing a lot of emotion and railing against Trump, but the substance is a jumble. No one is standing out. Maybe Buttigieg, just for staying calm.

7:58 — Guns. I don't think any of this is new. How much longer is this debate? Another hour.

8:06 — Bullock brags about "gettin' the Koch brothers out of Montana." That doesn't sound right to me! Singling out particular private citizens and driving them out of your state?

8:11 — Is Bernie Sanders too far left to beat Trump? Tapper asks Hickenlooper. Hickenlooper doesn't give a clear "yes" and there's such a barrage of words that I have no idea what he said. He's not defining himself, so he is losing. There is some cute byplay when Hickenlooper says Sanders just throws his hands up and Sanders does the throwing-the-hands-up gesture and Hickenlooper does it back at him.

8:17 — Elizabeth Warren is "not afraid" and she thinks Democrats win when they figure out what they believe in and fight for it. Delaney says something pragmatic and she smashes him with: "I don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for President of the United States just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for." That’s the quote of the night.

8:24 — Amy Klobuchar is invited to say who is making promises just to get elected. She declines to attack anyone individually... other than, of course, Trump. But now that I think about it, no one is landing any serious attack on Trump. It's a given, often repeated, that Trump must be defeated, but I'm not hearing anything memorable undermining Trump.

8:33 — Climate change. I got distracted looking into what that necklace is that Williamson's wearing....

8:37 — I'm checking out Twitter. Interesting that some of the candidates are tweeting during the debate. In other words, the illusion that they tweet their own tweets is ruined.

8:40 — I don't know what Marianne Williamson was just saying, but it was very exciting and I kinda got chills.

8:47 — Drudge has a "who's winning?" poll. I thought a second, then voted for Williamson. Turns out she has 43% of the vote. That's way out in front. Delaney is next, with only 10%. Not scientific, but weird.

8:58 — May the yelling end soon. I am weary....

9:28 — I thought this would end at 9, and I’ve basically treated it as over since then. I am kind of listening, but... whoa! Marianne!!! Okay, I checked back in for that radical psychic energy, and now I’m back out again.

9:39 — That thing is now gone from Pete Buttigieg’s face. I wonder what it was?

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Bay Area Guy said...

The sanest fucker on that stage was Delaney.

John Delaney!

Go Delaney! Fight socialism!

Bay Area Guy said...

MSNBC is not thrilled. There's a soft pall wafting in the air - that sinking "oh-shit" feeling steadily gaining traction, that none of these clowns are up to the task of beating Trump.

Birkel said...

Spiros Pappas has won the door prize: permanent ignorance.

Spiros Pappas is permanently ignorant.
And I will permanently ignore (save to make fun) Spiros Pappas.

Really stupid comments up there.
Sophomoric in the worst sense of the word.

William said...

I thought Delaney was likable. He has a kind of Boris Johnson appeal. I don't agree with Williamson, but she doesn't antagonize. Warren and Sanders got the cheers from the audience, but they both gave me extremely negative vibes. Warren lacks Hillary's humor and charisma. The other candidates didn't make any particular impression. Some of them looked sane, but I've already forgotten their names....Beto has salt and pepper hair now. He should put a small fan under the podium. His hair looks better when it's windblown. No disrespect to Beto's hair, but Mayor Pete has by far the best hair. It has a soft fledgling quality to it.

john said...

"Warren lacks Hillary's humor and charisma."

Satiric, right? A rotting stump has more humor and charisma that Hillary.

Drago said...

Great News!!

Lefties here now calling for a Russia investigation into McConnell AND lefties across the pond calling Boris Johnson a Nazi!

Unexpectedly!

Bay Area Guy said...

I would have tried to sleep with Marianne Williamson --- 35 years ago. She reminds me of this cute ditzy hippie chick in high school I used to know.

mockturtle said...

h observes: Uh-oh: Bernie said "denigrate" -- sounds racist to me.

Downright genocidal!

David Begley said...

I blew my chance with MW in Sioux City. She’s single! But I didn’t know it at the time. May try to meet up with her again.

DavidUW said...

Being in California I’m obviously voting for the only hot white chick. Marianne!

mockturtle said...

BleachBit asks: Who wants a Baltimore Rat bumper sticker? I do.

The Baltimore Ravens should change their name.

David Begley said...

What if MW did really well in an actual primary vote?

Achilles said...

Francisco D said...

Those of us in the Baby Boom generation may beg to differ. We are retiring on somewhat fixed incomes.

We vote.


This makes me laugh.

Inflation is the only way out of debt. Our country is going to be printing money.

Period.

You should have loaded up on the same things the feds did: Assets and Debt.

Bay Area Guy said...

Is Roberto Rourke still running? He's kind of a doofus.

gspencer said...

Marianne was trying out her new word for the day. Policies. And I must say, for having just learned that word today, she did really well with it.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

LA-LA Woman

Are you a crazy little lady in the City of Light
Or just another lost angel...City of Night
City of Night, City of Night, City of Night!

Drivin' down your freeways
Midnite alleys roam
Klowns in Kars,
the Klobuchars
Never saw a woman...
So insane, so insane, so insane

Bay Area Guy said...

I will donate $500 to the first Dem candidate to make reference to "Willie Brown" tomorrow night. Get a nice reaction shot from Kammy.

Yancey Ward said...

"Satiric, right? A rotting stump has more humor and charisma that Hillary."

Satire? I doubt it since, they both have less humor and charisma than a rotting stump, Warren just has less than Hillary.

Mr. Forward said...

“Blogger Spiros Pappas said...
The United States has a printing press. Our debt is denominated in our currency, that we can print in any quantity we desire. The United States can never become insolvent.”

Also, if you drink till sunrise you’ll never have a hangover.

Crazy World said...

Albert for the win LOL

alanc709 said...

Spiros is longing for someone to print Obama's trillion dollar bill.

Rick said...

The health-care issue is too complicated to discuss in this agitated, rushed way. It's making me ill. So much yelling and stress.

These complaints don't even address the elephant in the room: they're all lying anyway.

Obamacare will save the "typical" family 2,500 / year.

Jim at said...

Americans living longer, healthier lives is a winning strategy. - Spiros

... which - believe it or not - can be accomplished without your precious government getting involved.

Bilwick said...

"The party that talks about causes not symptoms . . ." I am sure she is including statism and irrationality among those causes.

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