July 30, 2019

I guess we’re watching the Democratic Party candidates’ debate.

Not promising I’ll have anything to say, but here’s a place to talk about it.

And my son John is live-blogging it here.

7:07 — Oh, no! A gun! Tim Ryan doesn't have his hand over his heart for the National Anthem. Great rendition of the song.

7:11 — Amy and Liz are wearing red jackets (Liz's is brighter and longer), and Marianne is in an all-black suit. The men are, of course, all in dark suits, but Buttigieg is distinguished with a somewhat lighter blue-colored suit.

7:14 — Opening statements, what a bore! Bullock — he gets stuff done. He says people "can't wait for revolution" — that's ambiguous! Marianne Williamson rails against an "amoral economic system" which has become "a false god." John Delaney is against "impossible promises" that "will get Trump reelected." Tim Ryan has a top-of-the-head/bottom-of-the-head-disproportion... and not in the right direction. Hickenlooper shares progressive values but is "a little more pragmatic." Who's clearing their throat into the mike while Hickenlooper is talking?! Amy Klobuchar has "had it with the racist attacks" (not sure if she means the attacks from Trump or on Trump). Beto O'Rourke wants to stand up against "a lawless President." Buttigieg says "our country is running out of time." What's that thing on his face? Elizabeth Warren says Trump is a "disgrace" but he's just part of a "rigged system" that "kicks dirt" at... oh, is that what happened to Buttigieg's face? Bernie Sanders is pissed at Amazon. His upper lip is Nixonizing.

7:26 — The first question goes to Bernie Sanders and lets him plug in his health-care proposal. Dull! He's pitted against Delaney, who's criticized Sanders's plan. "Why do we gotta be the party that's taking something away from people?" Warren breaks in. Her theme tonight seems to be about how the Democrats really all want the same thing. She insists on telling an anecdote about a "cute little boy." It's all out of control! Jake Tapper breaks in to tame her: Are you for Medicare for all? She brushes it off to get back to her anecdote — "I want to get back to Addie" — and the crowd laughs. She chides, "It's not funny." We are scolded, scolded for expecting her to answer the question asked.

7:34 — The health-care issue is too complicated to discuss in this agitated, rushed way. It's making me ill. So much yelling and stress. I'm tuning out on this issue. I don't think it works well in a debate, not with all these contestants and tight time limits and permitting candidates to break in and go overtime. It's incredibly irritating.

7:45 — A lot of concern about union members losing the private health insurance benefits in the move to Medicare for all. Delaney explains how health care will decline under that plan — it's a matter of simple arithmetic — and Sanders accuses him of profiteering off private insurance. It seems like a wild slur. Sanders gets so mad and turns bright red. It's so off-putting!

7:51 — They're talking about immigration. Sanders just assured us we would have "strong border protections," but most of the talk is about "de-criminalizing" crossing the border. Bullock was sounding a bit like Trump and then he said the whole problem was Trump. I'm hearing a lot of emotion and railing against Trump, but the substance is a jumble. No one is standing out. Maybe Buttigieg, just for staying calm.

7:58 — Guns. I don't think any of this is new. How much longer is this debate? Another hour.

8:06 — Bullock brags about "gettin' the Koch brothers out of Montana." That doesn't sound right to me! Singling out particular private citizens and driving them out of your state?

8:11 — Is Bernie Sanders too far left to beat Trump? Tapper asks Hickenlooper. Hickenlooper doesn't give a clear "yes" and there's such a barrage of words that I have no idea what he said. He's not defining himself, so he is losing. There is some cute byplay when Hickenlooper says Sanders just throws his hands up and Sanders does the throwing-the-hands-up gesture and Hickenlooper does it back at him.

8:17 — Elizabeth Warren is "not afraid" and she thinks Democrats win when they figure out what they believe in and fight for it. Delaney says something pragmatic and she smashes him with: "I don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for President of the United States just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for." That’s the quote of the night.

8:24 — Amy Klobuchar is invited to say who is making promises just to get elected. She declines to attack anyone individually... other than, of course, Trump. But now that I think about it, no one is landing any serious attack on Trump. It's a given, often repeated, that Trump must be defeated, but I'm not hearing anything memorable undermining Trump.

8:33 — Climate change. I got distracted looking into what that necklace is that Williamson's wearing....

8:37 — I'm checking out Twitter. Interesting that some of the candidates are tweeting during the debate. In other words, the illusion that they tweet their own tweets is ruined.

8:40 — I don't know what Marianne Williamson was just saying, but it was very exciting and I kinda got chills.

8:47 — Drudge has a "who's winning?" poll. I thought a second, then voted for Williamson. Turns out she has 43% of the vote. That's way out in front. Delaney is next, with only 10%. Not scientific, but weird.

8:58 — May the yelling end soon. I am weary....

9:28 — I thought this would end at 9, and I’ve basically treated it as over since then. I am kind of listening, but... whoa! Marianne!!! Okay, I checked back in for that radical psychic energy, and now I’m back out again.

9:39 — That thing is now gone from Pete Buttigieg’s face. I wonder what it was?

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Francisco D said...

I am going with Judge Judy reruns and will wait to hear what others have to say.

It would be torture to watch those dishonest clowns.

wildswan said...

Will America go Commie? Tune in tonight but - watch a good movie as well as the debate so as not to waste time. Cut back and forth.

Clark said...

No one is taking a knee.

Lucid-Ideas said...

In anticipation of Yang's offer of free money at the 2nd debate Williamson will offer free love.

Beto doesn't like that he's on the 1st debate. It's not the way he wanted it. He's smart. Not like everybody says...like dumb. He's smart and he wants respect!

Big Mike said...

PBS has a rerun of “Midsomer Murders.” Should be more fun. I don’t plan to vote for any of them, except that, Virginia having an open primary, I might vote for one of them in the primary to cause as much trouble as possible.

tcrosse said...

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
Going to the candidates' debate
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you've got to choose
Every way you look at this you lose

RNB said...

"Tim Ryan doesn't have his hand over his heart for the National Anthem." Maybe he's waiting for them to play the 'Internationale.'

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Lifted - by Matt Margolis


Baltimore Rat will not be in attendance tonight because he hasn't raised enough money to qualify. But he is polling at 3 percent. #DemocraticDebate

Yancey Ward said...

Well, to be honest, from the progressive point of view, Tim Ryan really doesn't have a heart.

I don't plan to watch the debate live- will watch later tonight.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

I'm waiting for the rain to stop so I can go for a summer evening bike ride.

AlbertAnonymous said...

The exchange you just won't hear:

Harris: "Well, Joe Biden works with segregationsists. I'm not calling him racist, but you know he's not NOT a racist"

Biden: "What's that Kamala? I couldn't hear you with Willie Brown's schlong in your mouth"

Booker: "Hey Joe, I'm pro-woman so I can't let you get away with verbally badgering the girl. And you can't say schlong, that's a word Trump uses and therefore you must be racist like him"

Harris: "Girl? What the.."

Biden: "What's that Cory? I can't hear you either. Who's schlong is in your mouth?"

Williamson: "Your mother's schlong, Joe"

Buttigieg: "Um, Marianne, I know Joe's being homphobic, but I think you just said something transphobic. We're Democrats. We should be better than that."

Yang: "Fuck!"

Warren: "Now, now, lets all just smoke my granpappy's peace pipe"

Biden: "Smoking Pipe? I bet Kamala and Cory want some of that..."

Yang: "Fuck!"

Rory said...

Chester zips his bag shut from the inside.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Go Marianne! and Baltimore Rat!

Achilles said...

Marianne Williamson rails against an "amoral economic system" which has become "a false god."

I like it how leftists think anything based on mutual agreement is amoral.

They will force you to be good.

For your own good.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

lol - Albert

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Who wants a Baltimore Rat bumper sticker? I do.

Baltimore Rat/Giant Hurling Meteor 2020

Michael K said...

B Team. Not interested,

rcocean said...

The Democrats are playing the national anthem. that's hilarious. Did they all take a knee? After all, they all support Kapernick.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

If you're planning on taking a sip every time they whine about "racism", you're probably gonna be schlitzed early.

FullMoon said...

I like Bernie. Old time black and white follow the bouncing ball cartoon style.

FullMoon said...

Bernie says Canada pays half of what we do for free healthcare. Canada has less population than California.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Fullmoon - a small detail that will be missed by the D-fact checkers.

rcocean said...

Wow, Bernie loves moving those hands! but the younger bald guy is matching him one for one. Even Liz Warren is waving those hands, and I thought Indians were stoics!

Clyde said...

CNN Question: What do you say to Delaney saying 'Medicare For All is political suicide?'

A: Here's your hemlock.

FullMoon said...

Lizz almost crying about the guy with uncovered 9,000 in med cost per month.

Larry J said...

What’s this ‘we’ shit, you got a mouse in your pocket? I wouldn’t watch those ‘debates’ for anything.

rcocean said...

Uh oh. It's boring white guy named Bullocks. Never get elected with that name. Back to work.

Leland said...

Bachelorette Hannah fell down and scratched her arm. She just can't do it anymore, but she's about to accept a temporary proposal with a guy she just met and barely didn't dump over the other guy she just had sex with and dumped. I'll keep watching, so you don't have to.

FullMoon said...

Is Gov. Bullock related to Seth Bullock, of Deadwood fame?

wildswan said...

The guy would have his bill refused by nationalized health care also. They pay about 2% of what they are billed under Medicare in terms of treatment.

FullMoon said...

MediCare for all, for free.

Last month, MediCare was going broke.

Anne-I-Am said...

This is the first comment I have made here. I can’t help it. Thank you, Albert: That was hilarious. I laughed, loudly, here in the middle of a bar in San Gabriel. Because the debate is on TV (silent), I think everyone thought I was laughing at Liz Warren.

Her jacket is too big; she looks dowdy.

Anne-I-Am said...

Amy’s jacket is too big, as well. These women need personal stylists. Though they both look good in red.

Everyone seems so vehement! And wow, I am really tired of the closed fist hand gesture that Bill Clinton popularized.

Achilles said...

Just when you think Fauxcahauntus has a chance.

Trump is so lucky in his enemies.

I don't think anyone currently in the race will be the nominee.

FullMoon said...

Bernie the bully takin' over now.

etbass said...

Bernie seems angry all the time.

traditionalguy said...

I know it's a cliche, but they all look and act like clowns. None of them has spoken a word of truth yet. Buttedge intones his higher than thou morality of 1000% fake BS Global warming as if he is super sincere while he lies through his teeth. Does the creep realise how many people he will kill just so he can be elected Liar-In Chief.

wild chicken said...

Wow that's more than I ever heard Bullock day in 8 years now and I'm in his state.

Yancey Ward said...

Sundance at CTH calls tonight's debate the The Thrilla in Vanilla.

Clyde said...

Angry Bernie! There would be no 'good cop, bad cop' in a Sanders administration, only 'angry cop.' Kim Jong Un would be scared shitless.

FullMoon said...

Definite lack of decorum amonst the rabble.

rcocean said...

I love Bernie! He's so fucking animated.

wild chicken said...

Say dammit

rcocean said...

Any reaction shot of Bernie is comedy gold.

FullMoon said...

When does new ager get a turn?

rcocean said...
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FullMoon said...

The men do not have enough guts to mention Liz working for DOW against implant 'victims'

Yancey Ward said...

You don't usually see this many white people on a stage unless it is a Klan meeting.

Big Mike said...

Even Liz Warren is waving those hands, and I thought Indians were stoics!

Liz Warren is 1/1024-th stoic.

Clyde said...

Well, you ARE a bunch of crazy socialists, Butty!

FullMoon said...

Whoa ! Bernie gesticulated with BOTH hands !

rcocean said...

Who the hell is Bernie pointing to?

Friendo said...

Albert@ 7:19: Seriously funny stuff dude!

Clyde said...

I hope they have a defibrillator backstage in case Bernie strokes out.

Leland said...

Bachelorette Hannah dumped one guy and now is going for the other guy. She wants to get married to the man, whose parents told her that he didn't have the means to take care of her, and her parents said the same thing. But, spoilers (from the show that they announced last night and before the proposal) the proposal is cringe worthy and things aren't expected to last. I hope this gives you a feeling that maybe the debate isn't so bad after all.

FullMoon said...

Enough of that for me. I'm gonna check John's blog

steve uhr said...

Thanks Ann for pointing out the thing on Buttigieg’s head. Now I can’t listen to whatever he is saying

Jupiter said...

'John Delaney is against "impossible promises" that "will get Trump reelected."'

Hey, sounds good to me. Promise away!

Rory said...

It took 25 minutes to get to the first question?

Spiros Pappas said...

Lowering the start date for Medicare and a public option are winning positions.

Yancey Ward said...

So is $100,000 checks for everyone, Spiros.

traditionalguy said...

Everytime a moderate makes a strong point, the CNN political activists pretending to be moderators quickly cut them off. Everytime.

rcocean said...

Warren has seen "Cages of Babies".

LOL!

Anne-I-Am said...

I heart Bernie. I heart the bulging eyes and the bottom teeth all glistening...he is such an angry man. And why? He is wealthy—so many homes! Is he angry for all of us, far less lucky than he? Or is he angry because he doesn’t get the power and respect he so craves?

Buttigieg with the closed fist hand thing...ugh.

Hickenlooper is toast. He doesn’t look angry.

Diogenes of Sinope said...

Is there some way to have this show on every week!?!

Clyde said...

How do you know that they are really 'families,' Liz? Rather than people possibly trafficking unrelated children to game the system?

h said...

Decriminalizing illegal immigration. (everyone supports??) I think this is a very bad issue for Democrats.

Clyde said...

Because they want free shit, Bernie, the free shit you are promising them!

Anne-I-Am said...

The questions are terrific. There is no answer that will please the base that will not terrify the rest of us. Heh.

rcocean said...

Warren: We need border security but should do nothing to prevent hard working (possible M-13 Gang members and criminals) "Immigrants" from breaking our laws and coming here - illegally. Because enforcing immigration law is "Not who we are".

Diogenes of Sinope said...

Bernie is gonna rebuild central america with our money.

Leland said...

Bachelorette keeps providing spoilers to their own show. Apparently it all falls apart because of social media. No word yet if Russians interfered.

BJM said...

Is this the perfect take on tonight's slate of candidates, or what?

rcocean said...

Just so your clear. Warren wants open borders. She wants citizenship for everyone. She does NOT want immigration laws. She does NOT want to "secure the border".

And that's true with all of them. The D's stand for illegals and against America. Cause that's who they are.

h said...

Anne at 7:52 "the questions are terrific". I agree. Relentless questioning on "would you tax the middle class to pay for health care for all?" and relentless questioning on "decriminalize illegal immigration?" There is a little too much (for my taste) of over talk to cut off answers, but other than actually cutting the mikes (couldn't they do that), I don't see how they could do better. I wouldn't be surprised if this results in an uptick in CNN viewership over the next few weeks.

Spiros Pappas said...

Yancy you're wrong. Americans living longer, healthier lives is a winning strategy. Republicans overwhelmingly support lowering the Medicare age!

Clyde said...

Warren says, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to vote Democrat!"

MountainMan said...

Not watching. Waste of time. I would never vote for any of these clowns. Glad some of you are watching it for me. I will check in later tonight to read your comments. I am getting ready to watch another episode of "Outlander" with my wife.

Have spent a lot fime the last few days watching videos of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg on YouTube. What a contrast to the Democrat Clown Car. There is a G7 meeting next month where Trump and Boris will meet for the first time since he became PM. Hoping they will stage a joint appearance. Perhaps Rees-Mogg will moderate. That THAT will be something worth watching.

rcocean said...

What's to keep Central Americans from taking all our aide and coming here anyway? China isn't poor, but they come here anyway. Why not come here and get USA citizenship? You're a dual citizen. What's the downside. Nothing.

rcocean said...

Oh God. Gun violence? back to work.

BJM said...

I saw Cages of Babies open for 9 Inch Nails in Atlanta in 09.

rcocean said...

do you realize babies don't care if they're in cages? Nor do 1 or 2 year olds. They were called "Play pens" when i was growing up.

h said...

What's on Mayor Pete's forehead?

h said...

OK, I hate CNN. And I don't really like this format that has such short answers and aggressive cutting people off. But, there is a minimal amount of "Let me talk about my good friend Kyle, who ...." And especially, what is CNN doing to keep the audience from repeated interruptions with cheers and applause? Whatever they are doing, let's adopt this in every debate.

rcocean said...

New Warren Slogan: No Babies behind Bars at the Border.

etbass said...

Pete is a battered wife, maybe?

Birkel said...

Spiros Pappas thinks the money tree will finally pay for everything.
How quaint.

Spiros Pappas said...

Nobody has mentioned Hitler or the Nazis yet.

Clyde said...

Dirty Sanchez.

Guildofcannonballs said...

I consider the very low point of my life, a very high life for good or bad considering at any one time any of the billions of living humans, but also the many billions of dead humans, the Paul Ryan Joe Biden debate.

Joe works. He crushes people like me that were so, so stupid to believe in Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney.

What losers.

Joe told it straight, and he was right, and he won against Mormon Mitt.

Because he knew, America hates: Blacks, Women, Gays, Mormons, and everything else Perfectly unCatholic.

Because that 2000 year old religion just exists for sex needs and greed.

Nothing else. Joe Biden will, like the Catholic Nancy Pelosi, look you in the eye and say it.

Like Hillary looking into those eyes and saying "the video caused this and we'll get that bastard!" assumes Hillary and her people are so used to killing en masse any "plausible deniability" will do. Any at all.

rcocean said...

Ignore all this crap about I'm going to do this or that on Gun Control. The D's will get rid of the 2nd Amendment by appointing a few more Kagan's and Sotomayor's to the SCOTUS. And then its hello Gun Control! It'll be done through courts. It would've been done under Hillary - if she'd won.

Clyde said...

Whoa, Marianne just went all Harper Valley PTA on the rest of the Dems!

rcocean said...

I forgot is "Beto" in this one? he's become very boring lately.

etbass said...

ok, so who won the first half?

wild chicken said...

Bullocks!

Beasts of England said...

'ok, so who won the first half?'

Trump.

h said...

who won the first half? I thought Mayor Pete looked calm and informed and able to make subtle changes to questions that made him look less extreme than some others. ("Of course I favor limiting border access to criminals.." ) From my perspective Bernie looks too wild with his Brooklyn accents and his hand waving. By comparison to Bernie, Warren looks less crazy (though if she's the nominee Trump will play over and over her response that she would legalize all immigration). I have a prejudice against Beto and nothing here changed my prejudice. Of the second tier, I think Klobuchar did nothing to help herself; and Williamson also did not have anything like a break through moment. Delaney and Montana gov got more attention than I expected. But not enough I guess.

Tank said...

Are they all off their meds?

Spiros Pappas said...

Mr. Birkel, we're witnessing the growth of class consciousness and the radicalization of the Democratic Party. Bernie is a modern day demogague (not unlike Huey Long). The nation is shifting left. The Republicans must offer at least some progressive policies in order to survive. And the best, and least destructive, place to intervene is in healthcare. You know the private insurance markets are miserable failures.

Birkel said...

Donald Trump owns hotels and properties all over the country.
But for some reason that cheap bastard lives rent free in Democratics' brains.

Impeach.
Emoluments.

Birkel said...

Spiros Pappas,
I know bankruptcy sounds appealing to you.
Take it for granted that I disagree.

The country has not shifted much at all.
But you go out and follow the Twitter crowd.
The loudest squeakers can have your grease.

But not mine.

Birkel said...

Free people.
Free markets.

rcocean said...

I just read Beto O'rourke has offered to kneel before any NFL player of color and give him a blow job.

I may have misunderstood the details.

h said...

adding to my comment at 8:14:

Colorado gov was too boring to mention, and there is one more person (Ryan? or some similar congressional Irish name) who hardly even got a word in. If there were more than I've mentioned, well, my failure to mention tells the tale.

Birkel said...

John Delaney thinks Detroit is turning around?
So did convicted felon and former mayor of Detroit, Kwame Kilpatrick.

Detroit is the Brazil of American cities.
It's the city of tomorrow and always will be.

Spiros Pappas said...

The United States has a printing press. Our debt is denominated in our currency, that we can print in any quantity we desire. The United States can never become insolvent.

rcocean said...

Liz does have REALLY high cheekbones. part Indian? Bernie reminds everyone that the D's will have to lie really well and pretend to care about American workers if they want to win.

Clyde said...

Neither can Venezuela, Spiros. Neither can Venezuela.

rcocean said...

Amy K is very Midwestern. That means boring to the rest of the USA. Sorry Amy.

Beasts of England said...

'Our debt is denominated in our currency, that we can print in any quantity we desire. The United States can never become insolvent.'

🙄

Yancey Ward said...

"The United States has a printing press. Our debt is denominated in our currency, that we can print in any quantity we desire. The United States can never become insolvent."

Zimbabwe thought the same thing. The US can only get away with longer, but not in the long run. You can't use the printing press for unlimited funding of government- it only works for a while, then you have to start over with a new financial system.

Clyde said...

I got my Ancestry DNA results back yesterday and found out that I'm even whiter than Liz.

Birkel said...

Spiros Pappas neglects to mention that Venezuela has a printing press.
Your ignorance is noted.

Come for the government control of people.
Stay for the hyperinflation.

rcocean said...

Climate Change. Just what we don't want to hear about. Thanks CNN.

Hunter said...

Sanders: We need a campaign of anger, and desperation, and a lifetime of frustratingly unrealized idealism!

rcocean said...

lets worry about the Debt....Yawn.

BJM said...

First half so far.

Clyde said...

Green Nude Eel. An indecent proposal.

rcocean said...

Delaney isn't running for POTUS, he's running for re-election as a Congressman. Being up on that stage is helping him. No one's going to vote for him for POTUS. Last bald POTUS? Ike.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

I would totally vote for Albert's Biden or Williamson.

h said...

Clyde: Congratulations on your DNA results! If you email your results to WRP.whitehouse.gov, you can qualify for the white people only reparations program which will send you $8,600 a month, based on your ethnicity.

Guildofcannonballs said...

I called in to Mike Rosen and said hey, when the GOP got the house they said oh damn potUS can veto, gotta raise spending.
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When the GOP got the house and 100 + and potUS derp derp deficit's

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Deficit's don't matter = Power and saying hi gracefully to Royalty, differentiated from that certainly clumsly Trump, or am I misremembering, because living through and referencing over and over and over again, to the perfect avail, doesn't mean Likewise:

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dominated the politics of California for eight years, ha d
dominated the political life of the United States for si x
years, and not inconceivably could go down as one of the mos t
significant presidents of the century .
How can this be ?
Because, Kissinger explained, the apparen t
limitations of Reagan totally disguise an intuitive grasp h e
has not only for priorities, but also for technique . Here ,
Kissinger later explained, is a man who managed to change hi s
entire staff without a ripple of change in policy, so clearl y
did he himself dominate policy . A president who clearl y
outwitted the Soviet Union through 1983 and 1984 on th e
matter of deploying theater weapons in Europe . When Gorbache v
arrived in Geneva it was widely conjectured that he woul d
"eat" Reagan alive . But Reagan's intuitive wit, his sens e
of what to get into, what not to get into -- wha t
academicians might call his reticulative sense of order - -
ended him up dominating the summit . And just as Gorbachev now
believes that by threatening a summit cancellation because o f
Libya he will embarrass Reagan, quite the contrary is likely :
Gorbachev will lose, and Reagan gain

rcocean said...

Why are Pols from the Midwest so boring? You guys need to move your hands more.

Big Mike said...

Yup, that AK-47 just leaped up into the hands of that shooter out at the Garlic Festival in California and made him shoot children. Absolutely true. No other possible reason why that poor, innocent fellow would turn into a killer.

Clyde said...

Send 'em to the Gulag, Bernie!

Spiros Pappas said...

I'm more worried about another deflationary panic than hyperinflation.

Clyde said...

Those fossil-fuel hoarders and wreckers will feel the wrath of Bernie!

Leland said...

Bachelorette Hannah is officially a bachelorette again but not likely to get a redo by ABC/Disney. She will get a chance to face the guy she kept then dumped later because he is selfish, and he shouldn't be selfish. How many Democrat Candidates will get a redo?

rcocean said...

Althouse: They don't have to attack Trump. The MSM is doing that 24/7 day after day.

traditionalguy said...

This is so boring that I checked out the Braves game. They went and scored 10 runs while I watched the Dem Clowns waste everybody's time faking it.

wildswan said...

Wherever a single payer plan has been brought to the voters it has failed because it doubled the state budget, even on paper. So assume that any Medicare for All plan will double the US budget. Then the Green New Deal will also double the US budget - if you plan to renovate every house in America it will be that much. Then tax collections will fall just as they do in all Dem cities because businesses will leave but they will leave America, not relocate to just outside the cities in friendly suburbs. So three proposals leading to four times the amount needed in taxes while taxes fall.

So we get the money we need from the rich corporations which are getting all those profits. Except those profits go to shareholders which includes pension funds such as Calpers and retired people with investments. So state pension funds and private retirement plans are ruined. Everyone ends up on Social Security which goes bankrupt instantly. So we need money for Social Security. Meanwhile tax revenues from fracking fall to zero and we need to buy oil for lights and heating. Winter comes while Congress talks.

Led by these Dems, America could make a bigger mess of socialism than anybody ever did before AND we Americans CAN DO it faster. For instance, we could have medieval diseases like the Black Death spreading out from California as well as being hungry while we freeze in the dark. We could have Donner parties to celebrate our first winter of socialism.

wild chicken said...

This is a Bullock I never knew!

What's he saying, anyway?

rcocean said...

Beto: We'll spend money and talk and talk and we'll stop climate change and everyone will be happy. Especially all the people who get all the $$!

rcocean said...

The D's have become insane. Climate Change, Open borders, Free Everything. And who's going to pay for it?

Well, that man behind the tree.

Clyde said...

Marianne has a cheering section.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"it was widely conjectured"

Once you come to understand why the missing l, wildly conjectured not widely, as if such a thing could be capable of being without conjecturing embarrassingly, and than a more than deemed king to boot, respect the great l once again and don't hate it because you confused it with an I.

Wildly known is better prose than widely known, we all know that.

And there is the side benefit of the who, what, where, why, how. But but but that is only a side little benefit, I didn't mean to offend nobody nosir.

No Sir.

wholelottasplainin' said...

Has Russia or "collusion" come up yet?

If not....WTF did the last 2 1/2 years mean?

I guess under Obamacare everyone on the Left got free lobotomies.

What effing clowns.

Imagine 66 million years ago when that asteroid hit the Earth, and killed just about everything.

Politically, THAT's what awaits the Dems in Nov. 2020.

The Dem-run shit-opolises like Baltimore, Detroit, SFO, LA and Chicago will then riot and burn themselves down.

Proving.....something.

Wa St Blogger said...

My idea for debate format.

1. take all the air time dedicated to the debate (not moderator question or comment time) and divide by number of participants (Let's say it comes out to 14 min 3 seconds)
2. Set a timer for each candidate for that amount.
3. Turn off all mics except for the candidate who is responding.
4. If a candidate trashes another candidate, the trashed candidate gets to respond using the timer of the candidate who trashed him/her rather then his or her own time.
5. When your time runs out, your mic never gets turned back on.
6. Let the candidates say whatever they want for the time they have. If they want to use all 14 min 3 seconds up front, fine. If they want to want until the end, fine.
7. When a candidate wants to address an issue, they hit their buzzer and a lighted number comes up on their podium based on the order of who buzzed first. The only time the order is violated is when someone is responding to being trashed.

In this format you are likely to get very clear messaging, and very few cheap shots.

Michael K said...

The Republicans must offer at least some progressive policies in order to survive. And the best, and least destructive, place to intervene is in healthcare. You know the private insurance markets are miserable failures.

Said by someone who does not understand healthcare.

rcocean said...

Billionaire O'Rourke wants millions and millions of Muslims in the USA. It ain't going to hurt him.

rcocean said...

They've really ignored Warren tonight. CNN thumbs on the scale.

rcocean said...

How are you going to combat White Supremacy?

Addressed to a panel of all white D candidates. LOL!

john said...

The video makes Williamson look like she had her wisdom teeth removed.

rcocean said...

They need to go to a new debate format. have the top 4-5 in one debate. Everyone else at the Kiddie table.

Clyde said...

Under a President Klobuchar, rats would be ignored. Got it.

Clyde said...

Who can grovel the most? Beto is trying!

rcocean said...

Nobody Loves colored folks more than Billionaire O'Rourke. Want a blow job from Beto? Call 1-800-I loved People of Color

Rabel said...

"Dark Psychic Force of Collectivized Hatred" would be a good name for a Heavy Metal band.

narciso said...

What is the new pitch for watchmen?

rcocean said...

I love CNN's 'Objective' Questions. How would you save America from racist/bigoted/homophobe Trump who is dividing America and giving everyone AIDS?

Guildofcannonballs said...

My mere demand is the Hardin's just admit yeah: other's faith has allowed me a hell of a lot. As a free rider, I just assume hey, whatever, get high or stoned or be aloof; all good.

If it weren't it Spock's best interest, why would have they brung it for them(selves)?

Lots, and lots of atheist contributions mattered too.

Christ is King.

R C Belaire said...

Almost finished watching Alien: Covenant. Perfect timing; will read the reviews later tonight or tomorrow.

Michael K said...

Watched a bit during dinner. It seems to be a Bernie and Lizzie show.

wildswan said...

Are you going to do a poll on who won?

1. Baltimore rat

2. Empty podium in back for minimalist plans. None.

3. Marianne. They're against her, I'm for her.

Spiros Pappas said...

When it comes to the healthcare crisis, I trust Joe Stiglitz and Kenneth Arrow more than frustrated doctors. So do most Americans, even Republicans!

narciso said...

Stiglitz vouched for Fannie mae and the venezudlan central bank, what does he win don pardo?

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

You can have any flavor of 'Crazy' you want...

...as long as it's Vanilla.

Go Marianne! -- Shine On, You Crazy Diamond

narciso said...

Venezudian is probably more correct, it's become an alien place.

Spiros Pappas said...

Narciso, that was in 2002! Before shadow banking...

wildswan said...

Marianne is winning the after debate poll at Drudge. Vote Marianne. The nonsense that refreshes.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

"Dark Psychic Force of Collectivized Hatred"

Or a Disney villain mirror hanging in the democratic debate prep green room.

Clyde said...

Warren: Two cents from the Richie Rich's and we can give free shit to everyone!

D 2 said...

Marianne- Marianne of course.
Gilligan - Beto or Pete
Howell- not on this island
Mrs Howell-Amy (someone clean my fork)
Professor-the other boring white guys.
Skipper-Bernie
...guess that makes Liz Ginger
And the Gorilla - c'mon now.......

Clyde said...

Or at least, free shit to all of the people we like and who vote Democrat.

Limited Perspective said...

It's more lucrative to be a televangelist than an everyday pastor or priest. The everyday pastor, for average wages, supports his people in marriage, death, tragedy, baptism, hospital stays, marriage troubles. Politicians are secular 1980's type televangelists living good while milking the people they seduce. Reasonable Christians mocked the fraudulent televangelist and homosexual priests. We also mock and scorn the phony presidential candidates.

Clyde said...

D 2, Bernie is a millionaire with four houses. He's Mr. Howell, just a Mr. Howell who acts like OTHER rich people are Mr. Howell.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Bernie is a dangerous asshole.

Achilles said...

People are starting to say the same things about Marianne Williamson that people were saying about Trump.

It is time to take a second look.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Youtube Scrubbed all of the videos with Bernie railing against Millionaires and billionaires.

Scrubbed.

Youtube is owned by Google and Google is pro-corruptocratic.

h said...

Uh-oh: Bernie said "denigrate" -- sounds racist to me.

Gahrie said...

May I submit the concept that Marianne Williamson is the Democratic protest vote? A sort of "none of the above" choice?

h said...

Oh heavens: 2+hours into the debate, I just realized the big tall guy is Bill de Blasio. where has he been?

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

I did not watch but I get the feeling the theme of the night was: Universal debt relief, free stuff for all, and screw you anyone who works and pays taxes.
(Lifted from Stephen Green:)

Warren: I'm going to spend the ever-living hell out of other people's money.

Bernie: HOLD MY BEER.


&
A Don Lemon question is like a fourth-grader's spoken-word book report.

Bob said...

"...guess that makes Liz Ginger..."

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hunter said...

FINALLY we got to Putin and Russia!

The Reds are still under the bed, support our troops who died for your right to be free from imaginary Russian collusion against are democrity!

Big Mike said...

@Gahrie, I'm waiting for Crack Emcee to weigh in on a New Age guru leading the "who's winning" poll.

n.n said...

Youtube is owned by Google and Google is pro-corruptocratic.

They are Pro-Choice under the umbrella corporation (h/t Resident Evil) "Alphabet". At least one of their execs, if I recall correctly, spoke truth to fascism.

say the same things about Marianne Williamson that people were saying about Trump

A warlock trial, and, this time, a witch, a real witch, who may or may not have once been a baby.

wholelottasplainin' said...

"Red Dawn" has suddenly become the Dem's favoritest movie of all time!!!

They're all itchin' to go out and kill them some commies!!!!!

BWAAAhahahahahaa!

n.n said...

The Reds are still under the bed... imaginary Russian collusion against are democrity!

They see dead Soviets... lurking under their beds, in their closets, in the mirror, and in rainbow houses.

narciso said...

No Warren was never ginger,

Clyde said...

wholelottasplainin' said...
"Red Dawn" has suddenly become the Dem's favoritest movie of all time!!!

They're all itchin' to go out and kill them some commies!!!!!


Well, except for Bernie, of course. Professional courtesy and all that.

buwaya said...

A Williamson-Trump debate could be very confusing, and extremely entertaining.
A likely classic of American politics.
I suspect, too, that it will be rather friendly.

madAsHell said...

Oh heavens: 2+hours into the debate, I just realized the big tall guy is Bill de Blasio. where has he been?

No one ever hears Big Bird speak.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Wa St Blogger said...

My idea for debate format.


MY idea

Rabel said...

Late in the debate Mayor Pete gave Beto the same death stare he gave to Swalwell last time.

Beto will be out by the weekend.

Tommy Duncan said...

I tried tonight to watch the debate, but the cognitive dissonance was overwhelming.

"This highway leads to the shadowy tip of reality: you're on a through route to the land of the different, the bizarre, the unexplainable...Go as far as you like on this road. Its limits are only those of mind itself. Ladies and Gentlemen, you're entering the wondrous dimension of imagination. Next stop....The Twilight Zone."

Marianne Williamson is the only honest person (including the moderators) on the stage. I think Trump should pick her as his VP candidate and then debate HER 3 times while ignoring the Democrat candidate.

walter said...

8:40 — I don't know what Marianne Williamson was just saying, but it was very exciting and I kinda got chills.
--
Thrill up the leg? Nice crease?

Clyde said...

I don't think we should put her on the train to Petrograd.

Clyde said...

She's up over 48% on Drudge.

chuck said...

Did anything happen? Got stuck on youtube listening to boogie woogie. Love that beat. MAGA.

walter said...

Crack is probably conflicted with Williamson given she is in favor of reparations of some sort.

walter said...

(and UBI)

Churchy LaFemme: said...

narciso said...

What is the new pitch for watchmen?


Super Easy!

narciso said...

Yeah, the new one is white supremacy, which is still around even though Redford has been president for life since 1992, instead of the cold war.

Francisco D said...

I'm more worried about another deflationary panic than hyperinflation.

Those of us in the Baby Boom generation may beg to differ. We are retiring on somewhat fixed incomes.

We vote.

PluralThumb said...

Al Gore is the go to guy for climate change.
That was too much intelligence for a rookie like me, but please do have an extra coffee and I change my major.
Theology doesn’t require as much caffeine ?
Pardon any assumptions & a diversion execution attempt;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup_as_a_vegetable

OK = good from Greek, somehow.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

"Benevolent Crazy-ism" = Marianne

malevolent crazy-ism = the others in the Klown Kar

roesch/voltaire said...

Amy is a dark horse sensible,reasonable plans, keep an eye on her.

Sebastian said...

"no one is landing any serious attack on Trump"

How could they? The economy is doing much better, he's handling foreign threats better, he's nominating better judges, he's dealing with illegals better, he's pushing back against the Chinese better, and he beat the deep-state coup attempt and collusion hoax.

Bay Area Guy said...

I was in downtown LA today. It has regressed 40 years - it looks like a 3rd world shithole!

Oh yeah, the debate. These clowns will do to the country what they're doing to California.

I wish you all gnostic peace!

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