July 10, 2019

"[A] woman in her 20s approached her outside her high school... and chatted her up about her upbringing, her family and their finances. 'I was kind of a lost kid and she sensed it'..."

"Soon, the woman introduced [the 14-year-old Jennifer Araoz] to [Jeffrey] Epstein at his East 71st Street townhouse, where she opened up to the much older financier about wanting to become a Broadway actress and how her dad had died of AIDS when she was 12. Epstein told her that the teen 'very lucky to have met somebody like him' and 'that he could really help me,' she recalled.... For a year, Araoz said, she was brainwashed into giving Epstein massages while wearing only her underwear. He would masturbate until he finished — and then leave her $300. But in 2002, Araoz claimed, Epstein told her to remove her underwear because he wanted to 'try something a little bit different.' 'Why don’t you do the massage on top of me?' he asked, before raping her. 'It was very aggressive, it was forceful,' she recalled. 'I was terrified, and I was telling him to stop. "Please stop."' She said she never returned to his home after that day... She dropped out of school...  'I kind of hated myself for it,' Araoz said. 'I was like, "I’m stupid, I should have known better. I’m a bad kid.... I was so young that I was worried that somehow I would get in trouble... I was really frightened of Epstein. He knew a lot of powerful people and I didn’t know what he could do to me, and I wasn’t sure that anyone could protect me.'"'

From "Jeffrey Epstein’s latest accuser says he raped her at 15" (NY Post).

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AlbertAnonymous said...

But, but, but....Trump

doctrev said...

That poor kid. Someone tell her not to feel bad: there are billionaires who couldn't just end Epstein. Way, way too many "law enforcers" and evil billionaires at his beck and call. Dad dying of AIDS? Hell, someone probably heard that and marked her out for it.

Fen said...

He knew a lot of powerful people and I didn’t know what he could do to me, and I wasn’t sure that anyone could protect me.

And now you have to not only worry about Epstein's revenge network, but also dodge being used by Democrats as a political prop to attack Trump.

What do you do? Take a flamethrower to everything?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“He knew a lot of powerful people and I didn’t know what he could do to me, and I wasn’t sure that anyone could protect me.'"'

Apparently no one did protect her.

wwww said...

In an ideal world, the criminal system puts pedo rapists away so they don't rape more girls.

Nonapod said...
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Nonapod said...

“I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” - Alex Acosta

So he was some sort of intelligence asset? This story is getting weirder, creepier, and more depressing by the second.

tim maguire said...

How many examples of this are there? How many since the plea deal in which he slept in jail for a few months while otherwise living a normal life?

Skippy Tisdale said...

""[A] woman in her 20s approached her outside her high school... and chatted her up about her upbringing, her family and their finances. 'I was kind of a lost kid and she sensed it'...""

And that woman was...

Ivanka Trump.

And now you know the rest of the story.

rhhardin said...

It doesn't matter what age he raped her at, rape is rape. It's meant to be an outrage trigger. Not sure how naive she really was, though. Consider the incentives here. #believe all women.

SJ said...

Important question: who was the woman who introduced this teenager to Jeffrey Epstein?

NY Post says "a mystery brunette woman".

Is there any identifying information available? A name, a nickname? Even a distinctive brand of clothes/purse?

When this is introduced in court, will this mystery woman be "Jane Doe"? Or will she have any identifying information supplied?

tcrosse said...

Don Giovanni got away with it for years, and mostly for the same reasons. Now, if a statue of her late father visited Epstein at dinner and consigned him to Hell....

Birches said...

Yep Nanopod. I think Prince Andrew might factor into this whole thing more than Clinton.

rhhardin said...

#victims who get something for it.
There's no news these days that does not involve outrage.

The high-click emotion.

rhhardin said...

There was a movie about a teacher falsely accused by two teen girls. Wouldn't happen today.

Wild Things (1998)

google does a great job of finding movies from a terse plot description.

rhhardin said...

...fighting for equality for women... on the news, turns out to be the soccer parade in ny.

another outrage.

rhhardin said...

What you'd want, in the Epstein news, is the charges and the laws. Not how evil he is. They're playing you if you fall for it.

Fernandistein said...

"I’m stupid, I should have known better. I’m a bad kid"

True!

rhhardin said...

What I don't get is that you can buy really great 18 year olds with a billion. #makes no sense

Kevin said...

"[A] woman in her 20s approached her outside her high school... and chatted her up about her upbringing, her family and their finances.

Stranger Danger!

Stranger Danger!

What are people on TV in furry pet costumes teaching our kids these days?

wendybar said...

I live in the NY area, and this story has been around for YEARS!!!! Unfortunately, the media and the left claimed for years that this was a conspiracy theory!! James Patterson is now saying it was bad, and what a crime it was, but yet he sat down, wrote a book and toured the country with the pedophile in Chief....Bill Clinton after he wrote Filthy Rich about the Epstein problem.

Beasts of England said...

'For a year, Araoz said, she was brainwashed into giving Epstein massages while wearing only her underwear.'

Any details on this alleged brainwashing? I'm thinking a teenager pocketing three hundred in cash after each occurrence is the motivation...

Mike said...

And yet the media allowed this to fester for over a decade. They all know about this guy, they know it was there, and they did nothing. Just like how they sat on other similar stories for years.

I keep hoping Trump points this out, makes it a major issue, the failure of the press. It's sad that Trump is the only hope for this.

Thuglawlibrarian said...

"Quite likely some of our faves will likely be implicated ..."

-Christine Pelosi

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“I live in the NY area, and this story has been around for YEARS!!!! Unfortunately, the media and the left claimed for years that this was a conspiracy theory!!”

What?? The conspiracy theory was that a pedophile ring was being run in the basement of a pizza parlor that didn’t even have a basement. No one on the left thought Epstein was innocent and wondered what Trump saw in him that made him say what a terrific guy he was.

Inga...Allie Oop said...
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Inga...Allie Oop said...

I keep hearing how it’s people on the left who keep trying to lower the age of consent, yet I’m hearing from you people on the right on these comments sections a distinct minimizing of the crime that was perpetrated against these GIRLS.

I really must ask, what is wrong with you.

John henry said...

What is it with women?

In most, maybe all, of the stories I've read it is women recruiting the young girls.

Yet we are somehow asked to believe that women are pure of heart and would NEVER take advantage of another woman this way.

"Sisterhood" and all that hogwash.

Most women are pretty decent people as are most men. Most are horrified at what is going on.

It's all PDJT's fault that some women are evil counts. Didn't used to be this way, right?

John Henry

Achilles said...

wwww said...
In an ideal world, the criminal system puts pedo rapists away so they don't rape more girls.

But in this world democrat voters vote for rapists like Bill Clinton.

Then they vote for the wife of the rapist that attacked and smeared his victims.

Then they use the victims as props to attack their political opponents in an attempt to get more power.

Mike said...

Inga...Allie Oop... there's nobody here saying rape is right, or that these girls weren't raped. The issue isn't that Epstein is not guilty. He clearly is, and everyone here agrees with that. The issue is that they are going after Trump and not Clinton. Clinton rode on this private plane a couple dozen times at least, and yet this isn't common knowledge. It should be, if only to give Clinton the chance to defend himself.

dreams said...

There is this too.

"Trump said that Pecker had told him that the pictures of Clinton that Epstein had from his island were worse."

What makes Vanity Fair's report double fascinating is that the leftist magazine clearly implies that Epstein doesn't have any dirt on Trump himself. On Twitter, leftist users have been tweeting hopefully about how this could ruin Trump's presidency. Vanity Fair knows better. When push comes to shove, this case will involve high-ranking and extremely influential Democrats."

https://pjmedia.com/trending/vanity-fair-trump-knew-jeffrey-epstein-had-incriminating-photos-of-bill-clinton/?fbclid=IwAR2Sd8P7YdL-wm9QovWbs2rUHs-dNaeZFa8KARvM1qg6TdYPKPcnqajGO1M

William said...

I think the women who procured for Epstein were far more cold blooded and calculating than the other players in this scandal. With the exception of the Maxwell woman,they seem to have escaped censure or even notoriety altogether....Also, there's a Hollywood Reporter story about the famous celebrities and media figures who accepted Epstein's hospitality AFTER he was convicted of a sex crime and AFTER the #metoo movement had begun. This story really stinks.....Acosta doesn't look good in this story, but there are others who look far worse. The fact that Acosta is being presented as some kind of major villain just makes them look even worse.

Achilles said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
I keep hearing how it’s people on the left who keep trying to lower the age of consent, yet I’m hearing from you people on the right on these comments sections a distinct minimizing of the crime that was perpetrated against these GIRLS.

I really must ask, what is wrong with you.



You voted for Bill Clinton you piece of shit.

You keep asking what is wrong with us? Look in the mirror. You knew about all of this and you still support all of the people involved.

26 trips. Bill Clinton raped some of these girls and his wife smeared his victims. You want to talk about this now to attack Trump?

You are just terrible people.

Rick said...

In most, maybe all, of the stories I've read it is women recruiting the young girls.

By the time girls aged out of his fetish they were dependent on the income. So he paid them to pimp instead. Who better to identify the appropriate targets than someone who shared the traits which made them vulnerable?

Achilles said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
“He knew a lot of powerful people and I didn’t know what he could do to me, and I wasn’t sure that anyone could protect me.'"'

Apparently no one did protect her.

Look in the mirror. You voted for a rapist.

William said...

Some people are in the victim class. If you have parents who are negligent or abusive, you're in the victim class. You're going to get your four hundred blows and then some....The plus side for this girl is that she got victimized by a billionaire instead of by her mother's drunken boyfriend. She'll get some recompense for her travails.

Big Mike said...

See, Achilles, you and I are back on the same side again.

traditionalguy said...
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doctrev said...

Watching the She-Wolf in full on Righteous Self mode is always entertaining, but I find myself asking where it was in 2015? National newspapers were pointing out Epstein for a while but, funny thing, no Democrat thought it was a dealbreaker then? Wonder why???

https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“They all know about this guy, they know it was there, and they did nothing. Just like how they sat on other similar stories for years.”

Trump himself seemed to know what Epstein was doing when he said what a terrific guy Epstein was and how he liked them young in 2002. Yet he took out a full page ad in the NYT to call for the death penalty for innocent Central Park Five. Trump didn’t shy away from announcing to the world how he had “evidence” that Obama wasn’t a natural born citizen. Trump could’ve told the world what Epstein was. Why didn't he?

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” the then-socialite Donald Trump told New York in 2002, in a profile of Jeffrey Epstein. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
Trump

traditionalguy said...

Why do the European Aristocracy, the Catholic Clerics and the American billionaires all lust for young children? That is the question. The answer is that they have no restraint because they declare laws do not apply to their class. They use drugs and since they are so special they also use the best drug, that is the blood of murdered children.

After all, Judeo-Christian moral laws have been rejected as evil vestiges of pre Darwinists fools that still believe in a personal God that exists and demands Justice. They know that any gods are the demons are the conjured up by their paid shamans to better serve them.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Look in the mirror. You voted for a rapist.”

So did you.

traditionalguy said...

Pinning this EU Aristocracy problem on Trump is a bridge too far. He is the only man alive with the courage and the power to stop them and hang them. Which is why their panic is reaching code red.

Big Mike said...

Epstein's not the only one. Hollywood hard core lefties like Whoopi Goldberg were -- still are, I understand -- loud in their defense of Roman Polanski after drugging and anally raping a 13 year old girl who was saying "no." Inga is trying to make this about us conservatives, but the reality is that the perpetrators are members of the hard core left that she defends at all costs. wwww is right beside her.

Fen said...

Inga: these comments sections a distinct minimizing of the crime that was perpetrated against these GIRLS. I really must ask, what is wrong with you.

A "distinct minimizing" ? Such weasel words. You certain it's not a "vague" minimizing. LOL.

Inga, you only care these GIRLS as their potential to be used as a prop against Trump. They are just a tool to you, which makes you the same as Epstein.

I really must ask, what is wrong with you?

doctrev said...

That's an interesting quote. Sayyyyy, here's an ancient news article from a little known media outlet that knew quite a bit about one of Jeffrey Epstein's buddies!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

Why are the Dems desperately trying to pretend they didn't minimize this knowledge before it suddenly became inconvenient? Why are they trying to pretend that talking about the big secret is the same as the massive coverup throughout the FBI?

Hmmmmmm!

Rick said...

Acosta doesn't look good in this story, but there are others who look far worse.

Maybe in some respects but this story shows there is a major systemic problem in the legal system. Sex trafficking is generally a BS charge trying to turn ordinary (adult, voluntary) prostitution into a much worse sounding crime so police can use the fearmongering to tout accomplishments and increase budgets. But here we have a case where sex trafficking would be a legitimate charge and they don't even pursue it.

Our legal system sucks.

daskol said...

Epstein appears to be a disgusting human being and a rapist. Yet focusing on that aspect of this story, his personal predilections and the girls he victimized, personalizing it with examples of women he abused, may actually obscure his transgressions and those of his associates. How was he able to conduct himself this way in the spotlight for so many years?
Where does his money come from? Who are his firm's clients (only Wexner is on record)? To what end was incriminating video and other evidence he captured used, and by whom? Why was he so protected by senior figures in our own government in his earlier brush with the law? Who was running Epstein?

Big Mike said...

"Look in the mirror. You voted for a rapist.”

So did you.


If Inga is trying to suggest that Trump is a rapist, she is, of course, lying. But that's the standard for lefties like her isn't it. The truth is malleable to members of the left wing lunatic fringe.

Mike said...

We all know that one quote, Inga. That's all you got, and it's really not much. The ties to Clinton are far more substantial. Do you admit to that?

I don't like Trump, and think that saying Obama isn't a citizen is idiotic, but that doesn't make him a rapist. Rape is a far more serious crime.

Fen said...

Why do the European Aristocracy, the Catholic Clerics and the American billionaires all lust for young children? That is the question. The answer is that they have no restraint because they declare laws do not apply to their class. They use drugs and since they are so special they also use the best drug, that is the blood of murdered children.

At this point, if it comes out they are all part of an actual Satanic Cult, I would say "yah that follows".

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.

Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped

Neither Trump nor Clinton have been convicted of rape and in Trump’s case it would be child rape.

Susan said...

Makes you wonder what was actually on Anthony Weiner's computer.

If Epstein really had incriminating evidence that the CIA was using against people. Did the Clintons have a copy? Was that Wiener's insurance?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“The ties to Clinton are far more substantial. Do you admit to that?”

Yes. As he traveled on the Lolita Express one too many times. Trump flew on it at least once from the reporting.

Fen said...

Inga: Neither Trump nor Clinton have been convicted of rape and in Trump’s case it would be child rape.

You only care about how these girls can be used as props against Trump. They are just tools to you, which makes you no different than Epstein.

You're sick.

J. Farmer said...

Other than the age issue, Epstein (like Weinstein) seemed to have pretty pedestrian and juvenile sexual peccadilloes. Jerking off while getting a massage is not exactly the stuff of Penthouse Forum. Ephebophilia is a strange phenomenon. Given that there is little biological difference between say a 15 and an 18 year old, if one preferred younger partners, you could still find someone over the age of consent. Epstein seems to have more of a pimp kink: getting off on turning out vulnerable and impressionable young women.

Jeff said...

Aside from Ms Araoz's interview with NBC, is there any actual evidence that this actually happened 18 years ago?

Rick said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
Trump himself seemed to know what Epstein was doing when he said what a terrific guy Epstein was and how he liked them young in 2002.


Revealingly Bill Clinton was still riding on Epstein's plane at this point but Inga's only interest is how she can attack other commenters.

Achilles said...

Big Mike said...
See, Achilles, you and I are back on the same side again.


I think George W. Bush was ultimately responsible for Epstein getting off. He was president of the administration that made this happen and he likely knew about the event personally.

This plea deal happened on his watch.

Bill Clinton is a rapist. George W. Bush was a deep state tool who didn't give a shit about his voters.

Are we still on the same team?

Kevin said...

How many people noted Epstein was a fun guy to be around and seemed to have a preference for younger women?

Probably most anyone who met him might describe him that way.

Probably most of the NY social scene and a good deal of his European neighbors.

Had any of us known him, we would likely have described him in those terms.

Yet Inga thinks this is somehow wholly incriminating of Trump.

Which, as usual, says more about Inga than it does Trump.

Robert Cook said...

"...(Patterson)sat down, wrote a book and toured the country with the pedophile in Chief....Bill Clinton after he wrote Filthy Rich about the Epstein problem."

Are there any allegations, must less evidence, that Bill Clinton was or is a pedophile? A serial philanderer, yes, a possible abuser, (i.e., he coerced women into sex), not so certain. But, a pedophile? No.

By the way, it is inaccurate to label Epstein a pedophile, if his victims are all adolescents. That would make him an either a hebophile or an ephebophile, depending on the age range. Pedophiles are interested in pre-pubescent children.

Kevin said...

A lot of rich people like to have a good time.

A lot of them also like younger women.

That doesn't make them guilty of underage sex trafficking.

Nor does pointing that out make anyone complicit if they are.

Achilles said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
Look in the mirror. You voted for a rapist.”

So did you.

And Inga also wants to get rid of due process.

Bill Clinton settled in court admitting he violently raped Juanita Broaderick.

All you have are fantasy tales by Jean Carol.

"You might want to put some ice on that."

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Both Clinton and Trump have documentable connections to Epstein.

“But even beyond Trump’s own words further up, there’s a good deal of evidence that the two were friendly social acquaintances at least through the early 2000s:

Media reports from the late 1990s and early 2000s frequently mention Trump attending Epstein-hosted social events.

Trump called Epstein twice in November 2004, according to message pads seized from Epstein’s Florida mansion by the government.

Several phone numbers for Trump, including an emergency contact and a number for Trump’s security, were among many notable people’s numbers listed in Epstein’s “black book” (which was later obtained by the government).

Epstein’s brother Mark testified that Epstein once took Trump on one of his planes to go from Florida to New York, saying he thought it happened in the late 1990s. Trump is not known to have taken any other flights on Epstein planes.

Epstein was a frequent visitor to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida. (However, after Epstein’s plea deal with the government, the New York Post quoted an anonymous Mar-a-Lago source claiming Epstein had been banned from the resort for making sexual advances to a masseuse.)”

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

J. Farmer said...

Why do the European Aristocracy, the Catholic Clerics and the American billionaires all lust for young children?

All? I think you may be overstating the case a bit. And remember pedophilia isn’t really the issue in the Epstein case. His victims were not prepubescent. And while I have no doubt that Epstein is a creep and a criminal, there’s a big difference between being sexually attracted to a 15 year old and to a 5 year old.

Fen said...

Are there any allegations, must less evidence, that Bill Clinton was or is a pedophile?

Yes. The flights logs of the several trips he took to Epstein's island, signed by different pilots who flew the planes - the passenger manifests include Clinton's name and the initials of several underage girls, on multiple flights.

The girls were unaccompanied by any adult family members. Nor was there any kind of chaperone, as if this were some high school field trip.

Why do you think they were on the flight?

Big Mike said...

Are we still on the same team?

You go farther than I would. Can find anything other than your own fantasies that suggests Dubya knew anything about the Epstein prosecution?

Fen said...

Inga: Media reports from the late 1990s and early 2000s frequently mention Trump attending Epstein-hosted social events.

Worse, Trump recently visited Germany. Hitler was from Germany.

Michael K said...

Media reports from the late 1990s and early 2000s frequently mention Trump attending Epstein-hosted social events.

Trump called Epstein twice in November 2004, according to message pads seized from Epstein’s Florida mansion by the government.
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Poor delusional Inga. Vanity Fair, no lefty source, says Trump had seen photos of Bill Clinton at Lolita Island and never went there .

Trump knew what he was talking about. Vanity Fair reports that, shortly before CPAC, Trump was approached by David Pecker, who then owned the National Enquirer. Pecker visited Trump and brought along "an issue with a Prince Andrew and Epstein-related cover." They were joined by Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.

After the meeting, Trump called in Sam Nunberg, who then worked for him. Nunberg told Vanity Fair:

“Michael was sitting in there when I came in, and the issue of the National Enquirer with the pictures of Prince Andrew was on his desk. He said not to tell anyone, but that Pecker had just been there and had brought the issue with him. Trump said that Pecker had told him that the pictures of Clinton that Epstein had from his island were worse."
What makes Vanity Fair's report double fascinating is that the leftist magazine clearly implies that Epstein doesn't have any dirt on Trump himself.


Poor dope, Inga.

Big Mike said...

Both Clinton and Trump have documentable connections to Epstein.

But a significant part of the documentation of Trump vs Epstein has to include Trump barring Epstein from Mar-A-Largo after discovering that a Epstein raped an underage girl at the resort. Also that Trump attempted, unsuccessfully, to get justice for the girl.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Jerking off while getting a massage is not exactly the stuff of Penthouse Forum. Ephebophilia is a strange phenomenon.”

That’s not all that happened. He forcibly raped some of these girls according to some who are coming forward now and in past lawsuits, like the one I linked to that supposedly involved Trump.

Fen said...

Cook: inaccurate to label Epstein a pedophile, if his victims are all adolescents. That would make him an either a hebophile or an ephebophile, depending on the age range. Pedophiles are interested in pre-pubescent children.

And Bill Clinton really wasn't alone with Paula Jones in that hotel. There were guests in rooms 127, 129, 130 and 136.

So no biggie.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Poor dope, Inga.”

Poor senile Michael K, still trying to make some point. I’m not defending Bill Clinton you demented fool.

Michael K said...

Epstein seems to have more of a pimp kink: getting off on turning out vulnerable and impressionable young women.

Yes, but you are ignoring the question about blackmailing and was that the source of his fortune ?

Achilles said...

Big Mike said...
Are we still on the same team?

You go farther than I would. Can find anything other than your own fantasies that suggests Dubya knew anything about the Epstein prosecution?


If the reason Epstein got off was because "intelligence asset" then most likely yes.

Bay Area Guy said...

As a general matter, I am not a fan of: (1) failing to promptly call the police after a rape and (2) waiting several years before making the accusation.

However, here, when dealing with a vulnerable minor and a huge power imbalance, leniency on these principles are warranted.

Fen said...

What makes Vanity Fair's report double fascinating is that the leftist magazine clearly implies that Epstein doesn't have any dirt on Trump himself.

Stands to reason. If a good friend of Hillary Clinton's husband had anything on Trump, it would have come out in the 2016 election.

Michael K said...

I’m not defending Bill Clinton you demented fool.<

No, you are desperate to find something, anything, to hurt Trump and you are making a fool of yourself again. Seems to be your thing,

Rick said...

I think George W. Bush was ultimately responsible for Epstein getting off. He was president of the administration that made this happen and he likely knew about the event personally.

Personal knowledge seems a stretch since the scandal drawing attention is mostly about how unbelievably poorly this was handled. I think we need to know why Epstein was given a sweetheart deal before assigning blame. It's too easy to point to the top and not bother with the rest. These kinds of decisions are not made at that level.

Epstein investigated Acosta's office personnel. The options seem to be that Acosta threw in the towel rather than face shady, effective, and funded legal opposition or someone pressured him. If someone pressured him I want to know who and why - and ultimately - identify and hold those people accountable as well as the rest.

doctrev said...

Inga, you delusional nutbar. When your lawyers pull your claim in a voluntary dismissal, that's the definition of withdrawing your rape allegation. Possibly because it was entirely fabricated??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3914012/Troubled-woman-history-drug-use-claimed-assaulted-Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-party-age-13-FABRICATED-story.html

But hey, I get why you're jealous. Years of nothing from the Obama DOJ despite all these big NYPost and FoxNews articles... why, it's almost like they were desperate to hide something!

Sebastian said...

"she was brainwashed into giving Epstein massages"

Ah, yes, the old "brainwashing" excuse.

"But in 2002, Araoz claimed"

So after a year, with the brainwashed girl presumably brainwashedly visiting his place again and again, branwashedly wandering the streets of NYC, brainwashedly getting into taxis and the subway, he tried to have actual sex, about which the poor brainwashed girl was shocked, shocked.

Still, sounds like statutory rape. Covered by the previous plea? We'll see.

bagoh20 said...

"What I don't get is that you can buy really great 18 year olds with a billion. #makes no sense"

I don't get that either. With money you can get any kind of woman you want including legal age ones who look 14, if that's what you are into. You can easily buy a woman to do any ridiculous fetish you may want, and do it without raping anyone or violating a child. The crazy extra risks and foulness that some of these fools opt for is mind boggling. Everything you want is available with consent for money without risk of serious legal problems. And these are smart people in other ways.

doctrev said...

Blogger Fen said...

Stands to reason. If a good friend of Hillary Clinton's husband had anything on Trump, it would have come out in the 2016 election.

7/10/19, 11:53 AM

Goodness knows they tried. Ms. Johnson's backers scheduled her for a giant press conference, then abruptly backed out. I wonder what scandal would be so huge to slow down the Democrat smear machine??

Guess we'll find out!

Achilles said...

Fen said...
What makes Vanity Fair's report double fascinating is that the leftist magazine clearly implies that Epstein doesn't have any dirt on Trump himself.

Stands to reason. If a good friend of Hillary Clinton's husband had anything on Trump, it would have come out in the 2016 election.


Even more than that Epstein knew who was protecting him.

Just like the deep state scum weasels like Comey and Mueller Espstein had a vested interest in keeping the globalist tools in power.

The only difference was the ClintonBushObamas were HIS tools.

Fen said...

Inga: I’m not defending Bill Clinton you demented fool.

No, you're just using the raped bodies of teenage girls as props to smear Trump.

They are tools to you, objects to be used, just like Epstein used them.

daskol said...

As far back as 2003, Vanity Fair was publishing interesting things about Epstein.


On what Epstein does for a living: Thereafter the details recede into shadow. A few of the handful of current friends who have known him since the early 1980s recall that he used to tell them he was a “bounty hunter,” recovering lost or stolen money for the government or for very rich people. He has a license to carry a firearm. For the last 15 years, he’s been running his business, J. Epstein & Co.

Michael K said...

Pedophiles are interested in pre-pubescent children.

This was the reason why the Catholic priest scandal was all about pedophilia. Gays, Farmer can speak to how common this is, but of those I have known, and I practiced in Laguna Beach for years, many are very interested in adolescent males. The Catholic priest scandal was about homosexual priests and post pubescent males. In the 60s, the seminaries were largely taken over by gay priests and bishops.

It was definitely in the interests of gay activists to minimize the role of homosexuality in the church scandal.

Fen said...
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Fen said...

You can easily buy a woman to do any ridiculous fetish you may want, and do it without raping anyone or violating a child.

Raping and violating a child IS the fetish. That's why they don't buy a woman instead.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Epstein was/is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilatreral Commission, was a founding member of the Clinton Global Initiative, and helped fund (with a $6.5M donation) Harvard's Program for Evolutionary Development.

People have been talking about this guy and his elite connections for YEARS online. It wasn't a story that was seen as hurting Trump, though, so the Media didn't much care. It was all supposed to be wacky conspiracy-theorist stuff.

It's not even a joke anymore: if you want actual journalism, transparency in government, real investigations to get Media attention, etc, you've got to elect Republicans!

Drago said...

Inga had to find someplace to shift her sad and twisted cultist lying re: Kavanaugh and Collusion after the implosion of those moronic lies that only morons like Inga believed.

Worse yet, she STILL believes them.

Go ahead, ask Inga if she still believes in the Hoax Dossier/Hoax Collusion as well as the hilariously inept hoax rape accusations against Kavanaugh.

The answer to both questions will be "yes".....but she knows she cannot use them anymore, so its time to shift all the rape/sex crimes of lefties/dems/GOPe'ers onto Trump...just because.

Inga is already defending and protecting Clinton by purposefully mischaracterizing the # of Clinton Lolita Express trips (Minimum of 26 thus far) as "one too many"!!

"one too many"!!

That's how Inga characterizes it!!

Dem/Lefty rapists have no stronger defender than Inga.

And Menendez continues to sit right there in the US Senate.......and no dem/lefty utters a peep.

As with slavery and segregation and Jim Crow and sucking up to commie dictators for a hundred years, the left now wants to transfer all its Hollywood sicko/Epstein lefty/dem/GOPe institutional sexual corruption onto Trump.

Because of course they do.

Michael K said...

Covered by the previous plea? We'll see.<

I am seeing discussion that the plea deal was South Florida USA and this charge is SDNY, so no double jeopardy.

Drago said...

Remember, this is the same media that hid the smiling happy loving photo of obambi and virulently anti-semitic Farrakhan for over 8 years...because it might make obambi look bad.

I don't know why they bothered to hide the pic.

Just witness the performance of Inga today and its clear that pic would have made no difference to the now openly anti-semitic/pro-Epstein/pro-Weinstein dem party cultists.

Oso Negro said...

@JFarmer - human males have not evolved the ability to discern at a glance the difference between 15 and 18 year old sexually mature females. In the progressive future, penis cams will monitor erections and they will be extinguished if unauthorized. This will be codified in the Splooge Stooge Act of 2043.

Bruce Hayden said...

Blogger traditionalguy said...
“Why do the European Aristocracy, the Catholic Clerics and the American billionaires all lust for young children? That is the question. The answer is that they have no restraint because they declare laws do not apply to their class. They use drugs and since they are so special they also use the best drug, that is the blood of murdered children.”

I have explained this before, and Inga called me sick and said absurd things about my kid in response. In a different day, or in other parts of the world, sex with 14 year old girls was not and is not considered bad. We consider it bad because of the great disparity in power between the male and the female (hence the peer exception to most statutory rape laws), and that we now give priority to protecting our children.

But the reality is that females just a couple years older maybe 16-18 are at their most sexually attractive to men, and as men age, and their testosterone levels drop significantly, it is harder and harder for the to get sexually stimulated. The result is that their gaze falls on younger and younger women and girls. Guys bound by middle class moralities, as most here surely are, know that this is forbidden fruit, and don’t give it a second glance. But many billionaires, powerful politicians, and some top clerics, are not bound by the middle class moralities tat the rest of us are. Neither are some of the lower classes, where non paternal males routinely have sex with their girl friends’ underaged daughters.

The other thing, besides the sexual attractiveness of older minor girls, is that for many men, taking a female’s virginity is considered extremely desirable. Desirable enough that rich guys routinely travel to other countries with more relaxed laws, to accomplish this feat. Needless to say 14 year old girls are more likely to be virgins than 16-18 year olds.

Drago said...

Islam allows for the child brides.

And FGM.

The dems/left are fully ok with importing millions who approve of those practices without vetting.

But go ahead Inga, let us hear you rail and rail some more about how its all on Trump.

Trump, the guy who 15 years ago threw Epstein out of Mar a Lago for hitting on an underage girl.

Fen said...

But the reality is that females just a couple years older maybe 16-18 are at their most sexually attractive to men, and as men age, and their testosterone levels drop significantly, it is harder and harder for the to get sexually stimulated.

I can see that. It's the taking of Innocence.

Yancey Ward said...

"There was a movie about a teacher falsely accused by two teen girls. Wouldn't happen today."

In the movie Wild Things, the teacher is part of the conspiracy to accuse himself in order to win a settlement.

Yancey Ward said...

I can see Inga is slowly realizing there is no Trump angle to the Epstein story- she gets more and more incoherent.

Oso Negro said...

@ Fen - Maybe in your mind. Don’t project yourself on all others.

tim maguire said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
Both Clinton and Trump have documentable connections to Epstein.


Yeah, 27 trips on the Lolita Express and who knows how many to little girl island are basically the same thing as knowing someone socially and saying they like their women young.

Most people are taking the responsible position that everyone implicated should be held accountable no matter who they are. Inga is not most people.

J. Farmer said...

@ Oso Negro:

@JFarmer - human males have not evolved the ability to discern at a glance the difference between 15 and 18 year old sexually mature females

I understand that, but this isn’t a “oops I thought she was of age” case. Epstein specifically targeted minors. He could’ve easily hired an 18 year old to wear underwear and massage him. I suspect the grooming is part of what Epstein was into.

Drago said...

Euro-weenie lefties in Britain and throughout the continent purposefully and willfully covered up mass muslim rape gang grooming of non-muslim girls throughout all of Europe.

This went on for decades.

Politicians and citizens who reported on this or discussed it were threatened by the lefty/lib Euroweenies in power.

Even so far as to go after people who posted complaints on facebook.

Tie this coverup activity to the UN itself, comprised solely of Euro-weennies and America-haters, which has had decades of child sexual assault by US forces and representatives covered up in general but with info leaking out here and there when things went "too far".

Combine all that with the dem/left institutional rape culture in Hollywood backed up the biggest democrat firm Perkins Coie along with the Epstein lefty/dem coverup and I think we have enough data points to establish a dem/lefty pattern here.

This is why Inga and her pals are desperately spinning rape hoax lies against Kavanaugh, Trump and whatever other republicans get in their way.

They are all culpable. And they know it. So its time to blame others!

Inga voted for a proven sexual assaulter...twice.

So naturally thats the fault of every Althouse commenter on the right.

Fen said...

I can see that. It's the taking of Innocence.

We even see a lighter version of that desire in costumes of catholic girls

Note the Amazon sells these. It's normalized.

wwww said...

I can't even with the men justifying sex with children. In a different day Vermont's age of consent law was 7. Most states: Age of consent 9 years old.

Sex with 10 year olds was legal in every US state until the suffragists campaigned to raise the laws.

One article wrote how Epstein (allegedly) had long discussions about the difference between sex with pre-pubescent vs. sex with pre-teens vs. sex with 12-16. He's trying to self-justify deeply depraved behaviour.

Epstein got mad at 1 girl when she got older, because she could not recruit them as young as he liked. 12-15 year olds look different then 18-20 year olds. Breasts get bigger. Hips get wider. One girl said he thought her breasts were too big. Looks to me like he did not want someone who looked 18-21. He wanted someone who looked 13-16. Some 16 year olds look 18. Some 16 year olds look 12.

Epstein is a monster. The lesson kids: Don't be like Epstein.

Drago said...

Euro-weenie lefties in Britain and throughout the continent purposefully and willfully covered up mass muslim rape gang grooming of non-muslim girls throughout all of Europe.

This went on for decades.

Politicians and citizens who reported on this or discussed it were threatened by the lefty/lib Euroweenies in power.

Even so far as to go after people who posted complaints on facebook.

Tie this coverup activity to the UN itself, comprised solely of Euro-weennies and America-haters, which has had decades of child sexual assault by UN forces and representatives covered up in general but with info leaking out here and there when things went "too far".

Combine all that with the dem/left institutional rape culture in Hollywood backed up the biggest democrat firm Perkins Coie along with the Epstein lefty/dem coverup and I think we have enough data points to establish a dem/lefty pattern here.

This is why Inga and her pals are desperately spinning rape hoax lies against Kavanaugh, Trump and whatever other republicans get in their way.

They are all culpable. And they know it. So its time to blame others!

Inga voted for a proven sexual assaulter...twice.

So naturally thats the fault of every Althouse commenter on the right.

Drago said...

Even now, the lefties in Europe are covering up the rape crime statistics involving muslim immigrants.

So guess what?

That'll be Trump's fault too!!

wwww said...

Sex with 10 year olds was legal in every US state until the suffragists campaigned to raise the laws.

This means Old Timey Laws don't justify pedo rapists in 2019.

Drago said...

A minimum of 1 in 3 girls (probably much much higher) are raped and/or sexually assaulted on the trek through Mexico to the US.

The dems/left encourage more of them to make this trip because they want future votes and a photo-op against Trump.

Of course, it goes without saying these are children that have escaped the dem/left approved abortion scalpels and infanticide practices of letting children born alive die....but made comfortable first!

Thanks alot dems/left.

Fen said...

I can't even with the men justifying sex with children.

No one is justifying sex with children. They are saying that current laws are a result of evolving standards from the Middle Ages.

Are you upset that Animal Rights wasn't included in the Constitution in 1787? Because if you were alive back then and I had proposed it, you would have laughed me out of the room.

At one time, it was normal to have sex with a female as soon as she became fertile. I suspect that was due to high mortality rates due to childbirth at the time.

AllenS said...

We've been hearing stories lately, that Epstein was some kind of intelligence whatever. Correct? Would any one of you be surprised of Comey and Muellers name came up during the process?

Bruce Hayden said...

“By the way, it is inaccurate to label Epstein a pedophile, if his victims are all adolescents. That would make him an either a hebophile or an ephebophile, depending on the age range. Pedophiles are interested in pre-pubescent children.”

I agree for once with Cook (and Dr K picked up on this). The term “pedophilia” is wrongly used frequently these days to increase the opprobrium for the behavior in question (or confuse the issue in the case of RC clergy). Given the long history of sex with post pubescent girls (and boys), our current laws against it are essentially Malum Prohibitum, whereas sex with prepubescent girls and boys is Malum in Se.

Fen said...

A minimum of 1 in 3 girls (probably much much higher) are raped and/or sexually assaulted on the trek through Mexico to the US. The dems/left encourage more of them to make this trip because they want future votes and a photo-op against Trump.

Excellent point. They haven't had a god damn thing to say about that.

The Democrats are only interested in rape victims when they can be used as political props.

Also notice how stories about the rape of US citizens by illegal immigrants has been covered with a pillow by the media.

wwww said...

"No one is justifying sex with children."

That's not what I'm reading. I'm hearing excuses for depravity.

I wish she had male relatives who could have exerted their own justice upon him. It would have saved dozens of more from being victimized. Clearly the justice system was not up to the task.

Achilles said...

Drago said...
Euro-weenie lefties in Britain and throughout the continent purposefully and willfully covered up mass muslim rape gang grooming of non-muslim girls throughout all of Europe.

This went on for decades.



The leftists are trying to throw Tommy Robinson in jail right now for reporting on it.

He is trying to apply for asylum in the US.

Drago said...
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Fen said...

I agree for once with Cook (and Dr K picked up on this). The term “pedophilia” is wrongly used frequently these days to increase the opprobrium for the behavior in question (or confuse the issue in the case of RC clergy).

Yes, Cook is correct. But he is pointing out the technicality for a reason different from yours. He means to minimize Epstein's monstrosity because it may hurt his tribe.

If Epstein was a republican, Cook would have let the inaccuracy slip by uncorrected.

Drago said...

wwww: "That's not what I'm reading. I'm hearing excuses for depravity."

LOL

You also saw a truth-teller in CBF, a clear and irrefutable and actually poor liar.

You see and hear alot of things that have no bearing in reality.

But then again, its simply you doing your part for Team Dem/LLR-dem.

Fen said...

www: That's not what I'm reading. I'm hearing excuses for depravity.

Well, I've tried to treat you as someone as acting in good faith here, but that's unreasonable. Where specifically are you reading this? Quote it. Who do you think is making excuses for the rape of teenage girls?

Achilles said...

wwww said...
"No one is justifying sex with children."

That's not what I'm reading. I'm hearing excuses for depravity.

I wish she had male relatives who could have exerted their own justice upon him. It would have saved dozens of more from being victimized. Clearly the justice system was not up to the task.



A Clinton voter just wrote this.

Are you this blind to your own depravity?

Drago said...

Achilles: "A Clinton voter just wrote this."

To this day Clinton's accusers can't get the time of day from lefties/dems/GOPe-ers.

wwww said...

"At one time, it was normal to have sex with a female as soon as she became fertile. I suspect that was due to high mortality rates due to childbirth at the time."

At one time it was normal for slave masters to rape enslaved children. & it was a LOT easier for pedos to get away with it in some old timey situations..

Bottom Line: Some perverts want a body that looks 12-15. This type of guy goes for girls who who look 14. There's a difference in the average body.

He was a billionaire. (allegedly) There was a reason he did this elaborate scheme. (Allegedly) It wasn't because he wanted women who looked 19. (allegedly)

wwww said...

Achilles you are such an idiot, you cannot do simple math, and you think everyone is your age.

Yancey Ward said...

I have followed the Epstein story for over a decade at this point. The only people in the media who kept the story alive from 2008-2018 was the right wing media- no one else was interested. It was only after people became aware that Acosta was involved that the left-wing media started to take an interest, and you know who alerted the leftwing to Acosta's involvement? That's right- they learned it from the right-wing media. In fact, Powerline has used the Acosta angle against Acosta since he was appointed Secretary of Labor.

In the end, even this angle is likely to backfire on the Left since it is all but certain that Acosta wasn't the one responsible for the plea deal- it was Acosta's superiors in the Bush DoJ.

But Acosta does have to come completely clean here- he has to name names- it won't be enough to say he got pressure from "someone".

Drago said...

If Epstein were smart, he would immediately convert to islam.

Problem solved from a lefty point of view.

And before any lefty argues this point, look up "Rotherham", and about a hundred other lefty cover ups of islamic rape gang activity in Europe.

And don't even get me started on the muslim kidnappings of young girls all over the world and then turning them into child brides.

But its all good.

Michelle tweeted a picture about it......once.

J. Farmer said...

If Epstein was a republican, Cook would have let the inaccuracy slip by uncorrected.

I doubt that. And I doubt that Cook considers the Clintons or the DNC his side.

Fen said...

I wish she had male relatives who could have exerted their own justice upon him. It would have saved dozens of more from being victimized. Clearly the justice system was not up to the task.

Well, as someone who dealt with a pedophile ring, was threatened with violence, had his marriage attacked, was threatened with financial ruin via lawfare... that path has it's own difficulties.

See, when you try handle this through the proper channels, via law enforcement, you establish a paper trail. If the Pedo (or those who shielded him) have an unfortunate accident, a detective will come knocking on your door. And then you're done, because once you show up on their radar it's just a matter of time before they figure it out.

You have to be patient. That can mean waiting for years. Maybe a decade.

Fen said...

If Epstein was a republican, Cook would have let the inaccuracy slip by uncorrected.

Farmer: "I doubt that."

Find me an example where he has defended a Republican.

Francisco D said...

But a significant part of the documentation of Trump vs Epstein has to include Trump barring Epstein from Mar-A-Largo after discovering that a Epstein raped an underage girl at the resort. Also that Trump attempted, unsuccessfully, to get justice for the girl.

Aha!

Trump is connected to Epstein.

Impeach Now!

Original Mike said...

"wwww: "That's not what I'm reading. I'm hearing excuses for depravity.""

Can you point to specific posts? I haven't read that, but maybe I missed them.

Fen said...

wwww: At one time it was normal for slave masters to rape enslaved children.

Irrelevant. And loaded with emotional appeals, which tells me you realize your point was weak and needed to be embellished.

I've already established how much I put at risk to stop a pedophile ring. I even had to call in some Marine buddies to look after my wife's safety in case the death threats were legit. So when you say we are making excuses for pedos, you really don't know what you are talking about.

You really should apologize for that.

But I'm more interested in why you dodged my very civil and reasonable request:

Where specifically are you reading this? Quote it. Who do you think is making excuses for the rape of teenage girls?

Others here have told me I'm a fool for treating you fairly as if you were commenting in good faith. Were they right all along?

Original Mike said...

wwww "hears" a lot of things.

J. Farmer said...

Find me an example where he has defended a Republican

Find me an example where he has defended a Democrat. I obviously don’t have total recall of every comment Cook has made, but I do have a sense of his personality and he has never struck me as an overly partisan person. And the accusation you leveled does not seem to fit. Of course I could be wrong, but that’s why I said I doubted it as opposed to saying it was untrue.

Drago said...

OM: "Can you point to specific posts? I haven't read that, but maybe I missed them"

The posts that show conservative Althouse depravity regarding pedo activity is right next to the pile of "slam dunk" "evidence" presented by wwww-types which "proved" Kavanaugh was a gang rapist, the Duke Lacrosse team all raped a gal, collusion and obstruction and emoluments violations and 25th amendment breaches and "norms" violations all occurred.

Seriously, its right there!!

Can't you see it?

Sometimes people miss it because they are distracted by Christine Blasey Fords fake tiny girl voice which she worked on just prior to the hearings during which she serially lied and later was paid over a million dollars in "thank you" cash from the dems.

Drago said...

J. Farmer: "Find me an example where he has defended a Democrat."

True. Cookie tends to simply defend mass murdering commies and anti-american totalitarian's around the world because no one anywhere in the world is responsible for their own actions except for Americans who also happen to responsible for everyone else's actions.

I hope that helps clear up the confusion.

Michael K said...

And I doubt that Cook considers the Clintons or the DNC his side.

Agree. If Breshnev had ever been accused, by someone who lived over 5 minutes, I'm sure Cook would have been right there with a "Fair Play for Cuba"sign

wwww said...

Old timey Normal Man versus Pedophile:

Puritan New England: Wealthy families might allow a marriage between their 15, 16 or 17 year old daughter and a 17, 18, 19, 20 year old son. What you don't see are huge age differentials. A 55 year old is not matched with a 16 year old. I do wanna say that most Puritan marriages were older because they held off on marriage until the man owned the land to set up a farm. That's why the very wealthy tended to marry young.

Now, the DIFFERENCE between a normal man and a Pedo:

The normal guy is attracted to his wife 10 years later when she's 25. He's attracted when she's 30. A Pedo has an overwhelming urge to get another 15 year old when the first 15 year old "ages out" as she gets to the 18-21 year old "look." Now, girls grow at different rates. Some 20 year olds can look like they are 14.

BUT: The Pedo is no longer sexually interested when she looks like a average 20 year old. That's Pedophilia.

Original Mike said...

One wife here!

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

I hope that helps clear up the confusion.

I never was confused. And your description of Cook’s views seem similarly off the mark. I don’t recall ever reading Cook defending “mass murdering commies and anti-american totalitarians.” But perhaps I simply missed them. Can you give any examples?

bagoh20 said...

I know it surprises none of us here, but Slick Willy is lying again.

""I have read too much information and I have spoken to too many people on the inside. I actually attempted to interview Clinton but he would not, he did not agree to do so and I know from the pilot logs, and these are pilot logs that you know were written by different pilots and at different times, that Clinton went— he was a guest of Epstein's 27 times,"

From a journalist who has been following the Epstein story for decades.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/bill-clinton-not-telling-the-truth-epstein-journalist-says

bagoh20 said...

As Democrats go, I think Clinton was an OK President and better than any Democrat available since, but I'm proud that I never voted for him.

Why do so many powerful people have such disgusting personal lives? Many have disgusting public ones too, but all my lowlife friends are better people. Personally, I can afford to be pretty disgusting myself since I have never been married and have plenty of resources. Is it the power that corrupts them, or do corrupt people seek power. I guess the answer to that is "yes".

Yancey Ward said...

I also thought Clinton was a good president overall. I did vote for him in 1992 and considered it again in 1996, but the truth is that my vote never mattered either time since I lived in states Clinton won handily each time- first Illinois and then Connecticut. I have never lived in an actual swing state during any presidential election- KY in 1984, IL in 1988 and 1992, CT in 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012, and TN in 2016.

doctrev said...

Fen said...

Well, as someone who dealt with a pedophile ring, was threatened with violence, had his marriage attacked, was threatened with financial ruin via lawfare... that path has it's own difficulties.

See, when you try handle this through the proper channels, via law enforcement, you establish a paper trail. If the Pedo (or those who shielded him) have an unfortunate accident, a detective will come knocking on your door. And then you're done, because once you show up on their radar it's just a matter of time before they figure it out.

7/10/19, 12:35 PM

The alternative solution is to start gunning down pedophiles in the street. Yes, every cuck politician will call that vigilantism, but you'll probably be too dead to care about their opinion. It's not exactly easy- the scummiest of them are also the ones who can afford personal security, live in gun-hating urban enclaves, and won't hesitate to attack your family if you can be identified. But that didn't stop von Stauffenberg and men who decided that no, enough is enough. They didn't succeed, but at least they died knowing they weren't moral failures.

I'd like to think that there are still enough Americans to make such a plan of action workable, but they are a surprisingly conformist and obedient people. This might be for the best: the Wild West would look like the soft option, and reality would look closer to the partition of Yugoslavia or India. Quite a few people are ready to go, but Trump has done well getting us this far. I'm ready to continue listening.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

AllenS said...
We've been hearing stories lately, that Epstein was some kind of intelligence whatever. Correct? Would any one of you be surprised of Comey and Muellers name came up during the process?

7/10/19, 12:23 PM

I believe Comey's daughter is heading the investigation, so I would indeed be surprised if his name came up. That might be the reason she's in that position.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Most people are taking the responsible position that everyone implicated should be held accountable no matter who they are. Inga is not most people.”

I said yesterday, the day before and today that ANYONE involved should be held responsible, whether on these right or left, I said “Let the chips fall where they may” several times since Monday. How you come to your conclusion I don’t know. Don’t lie about people and don’t be a stupid follower.

Yancey Ward said...

exiled,

Comey was out of government service from 2005 to 2013, so, no, he would not have had any dealings with the plea agreement, and he was a corporate lawyer during the interim, so no connection to Epstein's legal defense either. As FBI director, there doesn't appear to have been any investigation of Epstein during that time, so Comey again seems clear of conflict.

Mueller is a different matter, though- he was FBI director from 2001 until 2013.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“I also thought Clinton was a good president overall. I did vote for him in 1992 and considered it again in 1996,”

How interesting. Where is Achilles to scream that you voted for a serial rapist??

Rick said...

wwww said...
"No one is justifying sex with children."

That's not what I'm reading. I'm hearing excuses for depravity.


You've shown many times you misread in order to justify unsupportable criticism, strawmen accusations. These include asserting commenters believed the Date Lab participant owed her date sex making her a prostitute and asserting people discussing the success or failure of integrative busing are asserting busing itself will be a political issue. In other words you "hear" whatever helps you make these accusations whether it exists or not. This is very common among those whose political development occurs in an environment which rewards bad faith interpretations to support smears.

Rick said...

How you come to your conclusion I don’t know.

They probably noticed 3,999 of your 4,000 comments are efforts to tie Epstein to Trump specifically, none tie Epstein to anyone who does not taint Trump, and they ignore the fig leaf you apparently think hides your goal.

J. Farmer said...

I wasn’t old enough to vote during the Clinton years but I generally loathe his presidency. While underlying forces were already at play, Clinton put America’s path towards globalization in hyperdrive.

Robert Cook said...

"Yes, Cook is correct. But he is pointing out the technicality for a reason different from yours. He means to minimize Epstein's monstrosity because it may hurt his tribe."

You really are stupid, aren't you?

1. Whether his victims are pre- or post-pubescent, Epstein has raped countless young girls. It does not "minimize his monstrosity" to point out the inflammatory language used in the media is incorrect. It's one more example of "fake news," yes?

2. Who is "my tribe?"

Robert Cook said...

"Find me an example where he has defended a Republican."

Where have I defended a Democrat's bad behavior?

Robert Cook said...

"Cookie tends to simply defend mass murdering commies and anti-american totalitarian's around the world"

You must be having acid flashbacks. Please show where I have defended "mass murdering commies and anti-american totalitarians around the world."

Jim at said...

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” the then-socialite Donald Trump told New York in 2002

Nineteen fucking years ago.

You keep hammering on it, bint. You'll get nowhere.

Robert Cook said...

"Why do so many powerful people have such disgusting personal lives?"

They believe their power gives them license to indulge in their worst impulses, and they believe (often correctly) that their power will insulate them from being sanctioned for indulging their worst impulses.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” the then-socialite Donald Trump told New York in 2002”

“Nineteen fucking years ago.

You keep hammering on it, bint. You'll get nowhere.

7/10/19, 2:12 PM

17 years ago dummy. But that’s neither here nor there, I understand why Trump’s quote is so painful for you Trump sycophants to hear. It’s awful, horrible, no doubt about it.

Fen said...

It does not "minimize his monstrosity" to point out the inflammatory language used in the media is incorrect.

But it can. You can point out that something is technically incorrect under the motivation of something other than an adherence to precise language.

And while I would agree that it's unfair to assume your intent, if I were to ask you something like "find me an example where you have defended a Republican" and you chose to respond with:

Where have I defended a Democrat's bad behavior?

I would find that answer to be intellectually dishonest. Deceptive, even. And would be more inclined to suspect your other responses also contained deceit.

As for "minimizing", would you agree that the rape of teenage girls is considered by most to be LESS monstrous than raping pre-pubescent girls?

A quick scan of laws around the world indicate our legal system has stiffer penalties for the rape of children than the rape of teenagers.

Fen said...

if I were to ask you something like "find me an example where you have defended a Republican" and you chose to respond with:

"Where have I defended a Democrat's bad behavior?"

I would find that answer to be intellectually dishonest. Deceptive, even. And would be more inclined to suspect your other responses also contained deceit.


Especially considering you just appealed to the precise use of language. How can you claim to be a champion of it in one post and then abandon it altogether when it would hamstring you?

Fen said...

So do you understand now why my suspicion is not "stupid"? If you claim to be motivated by a principle but then abandon that principle within 5 minutes, it's fair to suspect that your first claim was not really motivated by said principle.

And so my assertion, while not proven, has merit.

Anonymous said...

This is really a sorry mess. Clearly anyone proven guilty in this case is most deserving. As the Pelosi daughter hinted a lot of big names are on the precipice. The outrageous thing about it is that people were clearly aware of Epstein's behavior even if not involved. Why has it taken so long?

Michael K said...

17 years ago dummy. But that’s neither here nor there, I understand why Trump’s quote is so painful for you Trump sycophants to hear. It’s awful, horrible, no doubt about it.

There seems to be one commenter here, aside from Chuck and Ritmo, who simply cannot learn anything. You are so dense that the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory should study you. Maybe discover an element that is more dense than Osmium and Iridium combined.

Of course there is always "Governmentium."

Governmentium

The Higgs boson is an evanescent particle expiring after nanoseconds, while the Higgs ratchet seems to be a robust phenomenon, which has alternately been identified as “Governmentium” on the periodic table of the elements:

The heaviest chemical element yet known to science. Governmentium (Gv) has 1 neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected as it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Governmentium causes one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would normally take less than a second. Governmentium has a normal half-life of three years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

In fact, Governmentium mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause some morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.

When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium–an element which radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.


Sounds like our Inga.

Fen said...

meade is probably in on it.

Hardly. In the past I've been a dick to both Meade and Althouse.

They have every reason to return the favor.

Robert Cook said...

"So do you understand now why my suspicion is not 'stupid'? If you claim to be motivated by a principle but then abandon that principle within 5 minutes, it's fair to suspect that your first claim was not really motivated by said principle."

I never made any claim to any principle and I did not abandon any principle. You fabricated this to serve your own purpose. I pointed out the error of the terminology, with no intent to minimize Epstein's criminal pathology. The "principle" is that I get annoyed when I hear incorrect terms used in the media, purely for sensational effect.

You made this all about Republicans and Democrats, which had nothing to do with my comment. (FWIW, I see both parties as simply dual aspects of one corrupt American Uniparty. They work for and serve the same masters.)

Fen said...

It really doesn't take a computer genius to set up multiple commenting accounts.

Yah sure. When the FIOS guy installed my internet I hadn't yet purchased my wife's gaming computer. So I went to Best Buy and ask for "that white cord thingy that runs from the modem to the back of the computer". I can't even set up my phone's voicemail.

Mary, have you considered that you and I are the same person and that this conversation is just an elaborate ruse to throw everyone else off our tail?

Anonymous said...

For Inga:James Patterson tells about Trump banning Epstein from Mar-A-Lago for cause. Clinton and many others continued their relationship with Epstein. What was Trump supposed to say about Epstein in the puff piece? " I Know Jeff, he's a horny bastard and screws under age girls"? I suspect if printed that might cause all kinds of problems in NY social circles.

I agree with you whole-heartedly on punishing the guilty, but get a grip.

Fen said...

Cook: I never made any claim to any principle and I did not abandon any principle.

You claimed to be motivated by the precise use of language, ie. technically, pedophilia is a term used for prepubescents not teenagers.

When I asked if you had ever defended Republicans, you changed the question.

Maybe you *were* acting in good faith, intending to correct the usage and make an honest distinction that Epstein raped teenagers not children, without minimizing the monstrosity of it. And maybe I am being unfair to you - I admit I have been in the past.

But do you see why your inconsistency makes your claim suspect?

Jim at said...

I can see Inga is slowly realizing there is no Trump angle to the Epstein story- she gets more and more incoherent.

No. Not at all.
Trump said something nice about Epstein in 2002.
That's all the fool needs for an angle.

Gunner said...

bagoh20:

That adult woman who looks like a 14 year old is more likely to go to the tabloids than a real 14 year old would. Also, she is more likely to shake him down later on like Stormy Daniels. I am not saying it is true, but its what guys like Epstein think are true.

tcrosse said...

Money Talks. Epstein Walks. Just see if he doesn't.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

A party with just Epstein, Trump and 28 girls. Oh how interesting. Trump was warned about Epstein, didn’t seemed like he cared.

“Donald Trump once hosted a party with a guest list made up of just himself, Jeffrey Epstein, and “28 girls,” according to The New York Times, and ignored an organizer’s warning about Epstein’s conduct. The “calendar girl” event is reported to have taken place at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago in 1992. George Houraney, who ran American Dream Enterprise, claimed in an interview that he organized the event after a request from Trump. “I arranged to have some contestants fly in,” said Houraney. “At the very first party, I said, ‘Who’s coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming.’ It was him and Epstein.” Houraney added that he warned Trump about his friend’s conduct, recalling: “I said, ‘Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can’t have him going after younger girls.’... He said, ‘Look I’m putting my name on this. I wouldn’t put my name on it and have a scandal.’” The Times report also claims Epstein has told people since the election that he was the one who introduced the president to his third wife, first lady Melania Trump. The White House didn’t respond to the newspaper’s request for comment.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

Let the chips fall where they may...

MayBee said...

Someone please tell girls not to do this.

Girls, when you are 14, grown men do not need you to be their masseuse, their sailing partner, their friend. You will NOT deserve what is going to happen to you, but something bad is going to happen to you. Even if you think this is quick money. It will haunt you at some point. It will turn bad for you.

Parents. If your 14 or 15 year old daughter tells you a grown man has taken an interest in her and you are not to be involved. It isn't ok. Tell her the dangers. Explain to her that grown men do not need to be friends with 14 and 15 year old girls. I don't know-- tell the police. Raise your daughter to protect herself.

Most of these girls went to Epsteins because they thought it was going to be free money. We talk a lot about "girl power" and being empowered women, but being empowered doesn't always mean saying "yes".

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Epstein's proclivities were a joke to Trump, even Roger Stone writing in his Clinton attack book The Clinton's War on Women. He recalled Trump joking with a Mar-a-Lago member about a visit to Epstein's Palm Beach home, and how "The swimming pool was filled with beautiful young girls. […] 'How nice,' I thought, 'he let the neighborhood kids use his pool.'"”

NYT

MayBee said...

Inga- how old were the girls at the party?


One of the girls testified (according to Patterson's book) that he liked them 18-20. So not always 14 or 15.
But Trump did kick ban him from coming to Mar A Lago.

Who knows? Are we assuming all of his celebrity friends knew about the underage girls? Everyone who hung out with him knew? Clinton and Kevin Spacey knew? Or just. Trump knew?

I also just finished a part of the book where a young actress reported Epstein to the Santa Monica police, but they decided there was nothing to prosecute.

Fen said...

Inga: A party with just Epstein, Trump and 28 girls.

The NYTs says they were "women" not girls.

You are trying to conflate the casual usage of "guys and girls" to imply they were minors.

MayBee said...

I mean, finding little snippets that have nothing to do with underage girls and are well before any legal trouble for Epstein kind of gives the game away, right?

wwww said...

"Where specifically are you reading this? Quote it. Who do you think is making excuses for the rape of teenage girls?
Others here have told me I'm a fool for treating you fairly as if you were commenting in good faith. Were they right all along?"

1) I'm sure I get over-emotional with these reports of child rape. I know someone who was molested. She told me. I told my parents. We told the police. We told the social worker at the school. We couldn't stop him.

2) I see you as a good guy. I appreciate your interactions with me.

3) I saw people were writing about how it was "normal" to be attracted to under-18 year olds. In light of the news, I find those comments yucky. & this is happening in the news. They called the victims prostitutes.

4) When people write about how it happened in history and how men are interested in 15 year olds and cannot tell the difference, it does make me suspicious they excuse Epstein or men like him. When people start talking about other topics that no one brought up in comments, it sounds to me like they are saying "X raped women so it's ok if Y can rape kids." I guess they're trying to weaponize the topic for political uses, but my first thought is, "they think Epstein's behaviour is normal."

5) Furthermore, Epstein (allegedly) does not have a interest in 19 year olds. Epstein (allegedly) had a pattern of girls "aging out" when they became women. If 18 is too old, that's NOT normal.

6) I don't read all of the comments lately. It's not personal if I don't answer stuff. Things are getting busy.

7) Honestly, comments are a weird place. I write in good faith, but that doesn't mean I don't write something quickly or emotionally.

I'm going to be taking off soon due to other stuff going on. Things are, er, popping here & soon it will be way too busy to be online much. :) You're a good guy. Take care and be well in the future.

Original Mike said...

wwww: To be fair to the commenters here you need to address what they say. Not what you imagine they mean, but what they actually say.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“According to a former aide, Trump only banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after “his stuff became public.”
Another former Trump aide, Sam Nunberg, told the Times that Trump was well aware of Epstein’s sordid sexual history, but only took action to distance himself after the public found out about his behavior. According to Nunberg, when he tried to raise concerns about Trump’s ties to Epstein during the 2016 campaign, Trump insisted he had sufficiently distanced himself from his former friend, telling Nunberg, “I kicked him out of the clubs when this stuff became public, and I made sure NBC knew.””

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/top-5-takeaways-from-latest-look-at-the-donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-connection/

Fen said...

I'm going to be taking off soon due to other stuff going on. Things are, er, popping here & soon it will be way too busy to be online much. :) You're a good guy. Take care and be well in the future.

Okay. Thanks for opening up to me. I do appreciate it.

MayBee said...

This story took place in New York, right? Acosta wasn't the one who could prosecute in New York.

MayBee said...

Inga- when did it become public and when did Trump ban him from Mar A Lago?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Epstein has previously refused to answer whether he and Trump ever socialized with underage girls together.
Although published in a 2016 Vice News article, Trump nemesis George Conway recently noted a 2010 Esptein deposition, in which he was asked whether he had ever “socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18.”

He refused to answer and asserted his Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments Rights.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/top-5-takeaways-from-latest-look-at-the-donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-connection/

MayBee said...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but NY is now charging Epstein, and Trump is the president, right? But Epstein has been doing this for a long time and we've had other presidents while Epstein has been free. Is that true?

MayBee said...

Here's a good timeline: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article221404845.html

Are we going to assume everyone who hung out with Epstein knew what he was doing and/or did it with him?

Jim at said...

The desperation is incredible.

Clinton flies on the Lolita Express (at least 26 times) and some people have their heads stuck in their ass over guests at a party that happened in 1992.

Maybe that's where Trump met Kavanaugh and promised him a SCOTUS seat decades into the future.

MayBee said...

Yeah cherry picking a few facts decades apart isn't as convincing as one might want it to be.


I remember during the election Lisa Bloom said she had a girl who had been molested by Trump at the age of 12. That fell apart, but the thing that amuses is at the very same moment, Lisa Bloom was threatening Harvey Weinstein accusers.

MayBee said...

I'm not even convinced Clinton did anything with underage girls. It sounds like Epstein was good at procuring beautiful girls and young women. Perhaps he kept his biggest perversions hidden and was able to keep friends by using young women.

Puck said...

Seems like Trump outed Epstein to the press in 2002. Trump has made a lot of noise about Epstein's predilections over the years. Doesn’t speak to any consciousness of guilt to me.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Tuesday on MSNBC’s “Deadline: White House,” Peter Wehner, who served in the administrations of Republicans Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, said President Donald Trump and “is a sexual predator.”

While discussing Labor Secretary Alex Acosta role in Jeffrey Epstein’s 2008 plea deal host Nicolle Wallace asked Wehner why Republicans aren’t standing up to Trump.

Wehner said, “Well, they’re nowhere to be found. But they haven’t been anywhere to be found with Donald Trump. Remember the context of this. Secretary Accosta is accused of not prosecuting a sexual predator. The president is a sexual predator. It shows you the moral world in which we live in. He was just credibly accused of rape a couple of weeks ago, and it’s almost fallen off the radar screen.”

He added, “There are two dozen women who have accused him of sexual assault, so we have a president who is a sexual predator. The idea that he would be offended, morally, or ethically troubled by anything that Acosta did is not going to happen. And it is extraordinary — both the silence of the Republican Party, I mean, this happened a while ago when they decided to hitch their wagon to Donald Trump and said that there was nothing that he was going to do say that they were going to object to, they wrote their fate. And there’s no bottom with him, and so there’s no bottom with them. And once upon a time, this was a party that appointed itself as a party of family values.”

Wallace said, “What a joke.”

Wehner concluded, “Yeah, a joke and hypocrisy and just an extraordinary offense. I mean, these are young girls who are being sexually assaulted, and they don’t care. And they’re siding with rich, powerful men against these kids — and the fact that they’re not blinking twice is such an indictment.””

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/07/09/fmr-bush-advisor-peter-wehner-trump-is-a-sexual-predator-gop-being-for-family-values-a-joke/

MayBee said...

Thank you, Inga. I didn't think so before, but if Peter Wenher says it on MSNBC, it must be true.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Thank you, Inga. I didn't think so before, but if Peter Wenher says it on MSNBC, it must be true.”

No one knows what is really true MayBee, but that’s no reason to stick your fingers in your ears and hum. Try listening to opinions, weigh them against numerous other comments and think about it.

Francisco D said...

Inga wrote: "Tuesday on MSNBC’s “Deadline: White House,” Peter Wehner...

Is this the same network that predicted month after month Trump would go to jail for Russian Collusion? The same network that denied serious rape and sexual abuse complaints about her boytoy Billy Jeff.

Now that Inga knows what Mueller knows ... WAIT! ... she never read the report. She only knows what MSNBC reports.

This is the pitiful ignorance that passes for leftist thought these days..

Jim at said...

He was just credibly accused of rape a couple of weeks ago, and it’s almost fallen off the radar screen.”

Yeah. There's an opinion we should all listen to.

Maybe some people would be better off if they stuck their fingers in their ears and hummed instead of posting a bunch of bullshit they think supports their point.

Aunty Trump said...

“Try listening to opinions, weigh them against numerous other comments and think about it.”

Yes, Maybee, do as Inga says, not as Inga does!

Michael K said...

Try listening to Intelligentopinions, weigh them against numerous other comments and think about it.

FIFY

Anonymous said...

Really thin gruel coming from Inga today. Epstein invokes his constitutional rights and Trump is guilty. Trump has some kind of promotional party with young women ( how young? teens /twenties) and what happened there that is criminal? Wehner is a staunch never Trumper who doesn't like anything about Trump and makes Max Boot and Bill Kristol look sane. (look himup on Wikipedia). His comments are right in character with his "Holier than thou" attitude. I sent a video clip to Inga in which the author James Patterson confirmed that he had found that Trump had "thrown Epstein out" of Mar-a-Lago because he misbehaved there. He did not wait for public confirmation. The Roger Stone quote ( Inga is relying on Roger Stone?!?):
how does that incriminate Trump in anything? I could say that I saw a lot of young boys visiting Inga's house. Does that make Inga guilty of something?

Inga, take your own advise and consider your sources.



Marcus said...

I get the same feeling reading Inga's comments here that I get when I accidentally step in dog shit. Pure disgust at her and at me for being stupid enough to read her comments.

What a lowlife cunt.

THEOLDMAN

ken in tx said...

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” the then-socialite Donald Trump told New York in 2002”

In 2002, Trump was a typical liberal NY Democrat. He can't be held responsible for anything he said while in that status. It's a rule.

wildswan said...

I agree with Maybee's approach. It just isn't right to keep explaining that older men are attracted to young girls except in context of warning young girls that this happens. I mean - a 14 year-old talked to a "sympathetic" stranger about how her Dad died of AIDS and about her wish to be an actress. Soon she's giving that rotten SOB Epstein massages while he jerks off. He tells her he's going to get her into show biz. Then suddenly he rapes her. And she's afraid to do anything. Those are her life experiences by sixteen: death of a parent, talks about her dreams of a better life which lead to sordid encounters followed by rape, followed by fear and shame. And people are talking about everyone and everything but her. But what makes the crime so awful is what happened to her which is probably so deep seated by now - and there were many others - really, there are reasons to scream at the sky. Mueller as head of the FBI, should have used the FBI to protect her and girls like her against the big guys, not protected Epstein against the teen-aged girls he'd raped.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Sorry ( not really) Marcus that me shedding light on the piles of shit laying about in your precious cult leader’s house upsets you.

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