There were 8 co-winners, because they had to change the process as they were running out of words and the process of elimination wasn't happening. These kids simply got everything right, because something has changed in the preparation. There was little of the amusement of seeing sweet children striving and, eventually, failing. The bell of failure never rang, and it seemed these kids would go on until they started nodding off into sleep and having a dream, perhaps that they were spelling some other word.
From the NYT article: "There have been marathon spelling bees before — the 2017 event went 36 rounds, with two spellers battling it out after the 17th round — but the competition has never hosted such a large group of spellers who could not be defeated. The field is typically winnowed down to fewer than four by the 16th round." Last night, the game was simply ended after the 20th round, after an announcement that everyone remaining would be a co-winner if they made it that far, and then 8 of them did.
From the WaPo article:
By 3 p.m., the Bee’s organizers resorted to what Shalini Shankar, a professor at Northwestern University, called a “lawn mower” round of extremely hard words intended to winnow the remaining field. It worked, with spellers knocked out by head-spinning words such as Wundtian, coelogyne and yertchuk. Yet other spellers vanquished the likes of huiscoyol, bremsstrahlung and ferraiolone to advance to the finals.See what I mean? How is that an acceptable way to treat children? That's just what it was like in the afternoon. The show continued until after midnight. Who is this show for? I used to love to watch the children. I will not watch again.
“I was very tired, and I also did not drink a lot of water,” the Clarksville, Md., middle schooler said. “Since it’s going so fast, if you go to the bathroom you might miss your turn.”
The winning words from [years ago] — croissant in 1970, incisor in 1975, luge in 1984 — would make today’s finalists laugh....So it's a rich kids game? Sorry, I know there are people these days who would say, "Well, okay, then, go ahead and abuse them. I wish rich-kid Trump had been abused as a kid. Can we get Barron to plunge down this rich-kid rat-hole of pointless achievement?"
Another game-changing development is the new invitational program known as “RSVBee,” now in its second year. In the past, spellers reached the national event only by winning a regional bee and securing a sponsor, often a newspaper, to cover expenses. But with the advent of RSVBee, which supplied 292 of this year’s 565 contestants, families who can afford a $1,500 entry fee — plus six nights at the $300-a-night Gaylord and other expenses — can bypass the traditional path to the Bee.
Scott Remer, a New York-based tutor and author of a spelling bee textbook, coaches three of the 16 finalists. He said winning the Bee takes more than rote memorization. His students study word roots and how to spell sounds in Latin, Greek, German, Japanese and several other languages.Yes, it was easy to see that system was working, and congratulations to the tutors who've figured it out and to Remer specifically for getting his self-vaunting quotes into The Washington Post without having to cough up a number for what he charges per hour and how many hours it takes to turn a child into a "great speller."
“A good speller knows a lot of words,” Remer said. “A great speller is able to spell pretty much any word that you throw at them because they’re able to use this process to break the word down and come up with a very well-educated guess.”
The comments at WaPo are full of gratuitous politics, some of which is cleverly based on Trump's penchant for misspelling, e.g., "Very cool story. Maybe when Trump has them to the White House for hamberders, they can teach him a thing about spelling." Some of which is more insanely peevish, like:
"8 young Americans smarter than the entire Republican party. This is the future King Don...a multiracial, multi ethnic America..and there's nothing you can do to stop it. This is the future and you are the rapidly dying past."Speaking of a dying past... spelling. Why waylay the brightest kids into such a narrowing, unnecessary enterprise? It seems to me, the misspelling champ, Donald Trump, is President and what there's nothing you can do to stop is all his winning. The kind of smartness we need is people who can outsmart Trump at his game — tweeting, rallying, fighting off all criticism — and not people who've learned the tricks of spelling and can stand until midnight enunciating the proper letters.
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They need to institute an adversity score so that they can determine who was really the best. For all we know, the best speller was knocked out in the first round. Without an adversity score, we'll never know...
Etymology isn't to be sniffed at. It finds the meaning performance a word is likely to have as well as its spelling.
not particularly diverse group of children ... (or parents?)
They could have winnowed the field of the final eight by asking each to spell the name of the next competitor. Five or six eliminated right there.
Are there more autistic kids among Indians? Or more sadists among Indian parents?
Once this became a route to an Ivy League school, what did we expect would happen?
Some say Ferraiolone was just as good as Sergio Leone, but Ennio Morricone refused to work with him and he couldn't get Clint Eastwood to return his phone calls.
I remember how abused I was when I had to work at menial tasks for hours to pay for flying lessons.
Some say Ferraiolone was just as good as Sergio Leone, but Ennio Morricone refused to work with him and he couldn't get Clint Eastwood to return his phone calls.
Bad Words (2013) is good. Adult good at spelling finds loophole in rules and enters kids' spelling bee national contest, against disapproval from adults involved.
This is the future and you are the rapidly dying past.
The left thinks merit is about acquiring the approved skills from the approved people at the approved institutions.
And they will decide who is worthy enough to be allowed to try.
That is their vision of the future.
If you have never seen the word used in a sentence and therefore have no
Knowledge of its meaning, then what the heck is the ability to spell it correctly worth? They are like circus performers doing hard tricks.
I thought the only people who watched the spelling bee anymore were Indian and other South Asian immigrants, because those are the only people I've heard talking about the spelling bee for a decade or two.
8 young Americans smarter than the entire Republican party.
How does the commenter know they’re not all Republicans?
A veritable pageant of corpsemen (sic).
Lady at work suggested a pneumonic for a system she was writing. Her word.
"8 young Americans smarter than the entire Republican party."
WTF?
Dems think they are smarter and more virtuous than everybody else. They are so, so wrong.
The changes to the spelling bee put me in mind of the way school admissions in NYC have changed over the years as every hungry immigrants have taken the competition to new heights. That's innovation for you, and innovation is brutal. It only happens when alternatives have been exhausted. The casual, positively connotated use of "innovation" in the business world has always struck me as misplaced.
" . . . smarter than the entire Republican party." This from someone who in the 21st Century is almost certainly still a true-believer in State-cultism.
Just wait until James Holzhauer's kid tackles spelling.
"The kind of smartness we need is people who can outsmart Trump at his game — tweeting, rallying, fighting off all criticism."
Not seeing that from Joe or any of the others in the Dem field. Joe won't even campaign. He's a scaredy cat.
I've used bremsstrahlung as a password.
a multiracial, multi ethnic America
It's interesting how wrong that is: there were no Blacks, no Mexicans, no Chinese, etc., but 7 of the 8 finalists are from India's Brahmin caste, which isn't fair since they grew up having to spell their own names.
Meanwhile, these vacuous toad-like commentators are having a power outlet fixed by one of the ‘non spellers’ and paying a shit load of money for it.
Each skill has its place, but when someone lords it over others who make inconsequential mistakes, they demonstrate they are the scum of society.
Another Brick In The Wall
We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
"8 young Americans smarter than the entire Republican party."
King of the asshole commenters at WaPo. Get over yourself.
Like our host I'm not a fan of these sorts of events that exploit young kids. Not only is the competition to long and demanding, the prep leading up to it is abusive. I don't watch or pay attention to the Little League World Series for the same reason.
The WaPo losers think 3rd world spellers will win the Cold Civil War and vindicate their white guilt.
Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin’
Then you better start spellin’ or you’ll sink like a stone...
a multiracial, multi ethnic America
1/2 Americans? Here's to progress and aspiration to diversity.
They could also stage the Mark Twain Spelling Bee, wherein the contestants see how many different ways they can spell each word.
"Just wait until James Holzhauer's kid tackles spelling."
I liked when James figured out "This African country’s known in German as Elfenbeinkuste." He saw the elephant.
Glad to see so many boys kicking ass!
Indian Americans have won every Scripps National Spelling Bee since 2008,
Althouse, I thoroughly enjoyed your take. This kind of short subject analysis, nearly free of politics, that elucidates and informs is really your sweet spot. I mean, it’s fun for us visitors to debate current events and prognosticate on your blog, but this kind of post today is such a satisfying little nugget that I just wanted to show my appreciation for your eye and your voice. I’ve got nothing to add to it.
Probably not the best use of these kids' time. And being an exceptionally good speller doesn't always indicate exceptional overall intelligence
The movie "Spellbound" (2002) showed a great slice of American kids preparing for and participating in the spelling bee. Wonderful 2 hankey movie. Would seem so quaint now. Or strange.
So eight kids have to split the $40K prize? Pfft.
Speaking of spelling, I am drinking my morning covfefe and a hamberder might be great for lunch.
Eight kids each get $50K, daskol, per what I read.
It's interesting that the news articles all talk about the 8-way tie. You don't see many articles that actually name the winners however.
I used to read about the Spelling Bee after the fact and look and the words that knocked out kids at the higher rounds. The I caught it on TV while channel surfing. Notice the questions about etymology, and intuitively knew that these kids were just the ones capable of understanding the evolotion of language, and it wouldn't be long before the contest was not about spelling, but etymology. NTTAWWT.
Its very funny that the dumb jocks figured out they couldn't abuse their own kids trying to relive their youth. The dumb jocks put in rules about how much competition the kids could engage in. Pitch counts per week, quarters played in football and basketball, etc. The intelligent parents won't allow their child a bathroom break.
That's what its like being ruled by my intellectual superiors.
It seems this endurance contest stemmed at least partly from doubling the number of contestants? They had to stop after 20 rounds, while a previous year went 37?
Spelling Bee went off the rails a number of years ago when it became clear that there were a handful of parents breeding and training their kids to win the Bee. It's like the Spartans used to do with warriors. Those who cannot spell Sanctimonious at 2 years are sent away to live in Athens (GA).
I wonder if these kids disable autocorrect on their phones.
My son had a college friend whose brother participated in the national bee. Wasn't the winner. He ended up playing professional poker and said all the word studying had trained his brain to count the cards and statistical likelihood of them showing up. Did pretty well at it, too.
Spelling movie Bad Words with Rohan Chand as Chaitanya Chopra has some funny moments.
Reads Spelling Bee story - - thinks, "That damn Trump can't spell".
Trash pick up is late -- thinks, "Must be Trump, he's trash".
Favorite TV show cancelled - - thinks, "How can that be when Congress won't cancel Trump by impeachment?".
It must be exhausting.
They should make it "really" hard and add the final obsolete skill of having to write out the words in CURSIVE!!!
Sie.
The easy way to eliminate contestants is to ask them to spell a homonym and regardless of answer declare they spelled the wrong one.
Fernandistein said...
They could also stage the Mark Twain Spelling Bee, wherein the contestants see how many different ways they can spell each word.
My oldest son was a creative speller. Prepping for a spelling test in grade school drove us crazy because he spelled the word differently each time he was asked to spell the word. His teacher said not to worry. Spell-check would save him. Guess she was right. Son graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Harvard.
Poor Ann, she is pleading with her fellow progressives to stop Trump. Note she doesn't talk about using policies but some clever way of tweeting or something. Her problem with Trump is that he is "weird". As Victor Hanson said this morning , Trump is the progressive's big white whale - an obsession . And then he nails it by stating "More practically, their fixation also substitutes for a collective poverty of ideas".
This is the future and you are the rapidly dying past.
Actually, this is the present and it isn’t the 1960s anymore. Trump gets it. The Republican Party gets it. Democrats keep trying to imagine that the are bravely confronting Bull Connor and striking a blow for civil rights and the environment, but it’s all make-believe.
The idea of childhood is lost when we reward obsession over exploration. Parents pressure coached kids to pursue talents to perfection, and beyond, in hopes of advancement. It lets the other kids know that they shouldn't get their hopes up if they are not willing to give up a large chunk of their time and innocence. Doesn't build character, but who needs that?
@Mike (MJB Wolf)
Thanks. I prefer no politics myself. Note that often my posts on politics are about not wanting politics in this or wishing people wouldn't be so political.
What Mike said.
To Belichick a competition is to wreck it.
"Poor Ann, she is pleading with her fellow progressives to stop Trump."
Not really. You'd probably be surprised if you knew how little I care about who wins the various elections I write about.
"a multiracial, multi ethnic America
It's interesting how wrong that is: there were no Blacks, no Mexicans, no Chinese, etc., but 7 of the 8 finalists are from India's Brahmin caste, which isn't fair since they grew up having to spell their own names"
Good God, yes. Clearly the WaPo commenters have never been to a regional science fair and they think everyone with a non-white skin is a Third World peasant. These folks are conservative in a way that makes the average Deplorable look like Wavy Gravy.
You'd probably be surprised if you knew how little I care about who wins the various elections I write about.
The Democrats will make you care.
"You'd probably be surprised if you knew how little I care about who wins the various elections I write about."
"The kind of smartness we need is people who can outsmart Trump at his game — tweeting, rallying, fighting off all criticism "
???????????????
I think there is a parallel with Jeopardy--Ken Jennings and James Holtzhauer may have broken that game too. The key to both is professionalized, targeted practice for that particular event/game. Obviously, talent is a prerequisite, but there have always been talented people. But now lots of talented people focus obsessively on these events, aided by an infrastructure of "minor league" warm-up events as well as answer databases and computerized game analysis. If you're not prepping like that, you're going to get smoked by those who are. "Luge" in 1984? That is crazy. That would be at best a first round word in a COUNTY spelling bee in 2019.
Slate.com (which is fairly wretched on politics but pretty interesting on cultural stuff) had articles on both of these phenomena:
https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/jeopardy-quiz-bowl-connection-ken-jennings.html
https://slate.com/culture/2016/05/gokul-venkatachalam-and-vanya-shivashankar-are-spelling-bee-co-winners-why-are-indian-kids-so-good-at-spelling.html
"Not really. You'd probably be surprised if you knew how little I care about who wins the various elections I write about."
Really? I envy your ability to write so explicitly and veraciously about topics you have so little interest in.
The spelling bee should be open book.
Elections are theatre, not sport.
Yet another formerly innocent institution sabotaged by the status- and distinction-seeking behavior of the modern professional class. Yes, give your children a good start in life, but don't use them as your toys and tools.
I damn Ignorance is Bliss to Hell! I was going to suggest an adversity index to determine the winner!
"I liked when James figured out "This African country’s known in German as Elfenbeinkuste." He saw the elephant."
I am curious about this- I can read German well enough to figure out instantly this was The Ivory Coast (küste is coast) but did he say he guessed that because the word looked like it had something to do with elephants? That would be impressive.
"8 young Americans smarter than the entire Republican party. This is the future King Don...a multiracial, multi ethnic America..and there's nothing you can do to stop it. This is the future and you are the rapidly dying past"
I find this sort of anti-white ethnic triumphalism to be both shocking and distressingly common. Usually this bilge emanates from a very white progressive person who lives in a very white progressive enclave. They hate America and celebrate and hope for the decline of whites in America because they associate "whiteness" with America, a country they hate. This is quite pernicious, actually. They are in agreement with the white identitarian Nazis that "whiteness" is central to America and all its history.
Also, this is why Trump won.
"???????????????"
Well, that's the question today. I could spell it out, but the challenge is for you to understand the blog you are reading. If that seems inconsistent, play "What if you had to argue?"
What if you had to argue those 2 statements are not inconsistent?
I could easily answer the question, but I don't want to encourage dependency.
"Really? I envy your ability to write so explicitly and veraciously about topics you have so little interest in."
The mistake you're making is in your perception of the "topic."
Hey, thanks for reminding me of the old podcast "Topics." I loved that!
"The kind of smartness we need is people who can outsmart Trump at his game — tweeting, rallying, fighting off all criticism "
Otto, my take is that Althouse’s “we need” phrase is not a plea to oppose Trump, but a wish that others would rise to his level of engagement instead of resorting to the old politics of division and doublespeak. Instead “outsmarting” Trump the DNC-Media complex has excelled at out-dumbing him. The dumb comments at WaPo are the object of her derision.
"Not really. You'd probably be surprised if you knew how little I care about who wins the various elections I write about."
Not everyone is a partisan. I did not care who ended up on the iron throne. But it was fun to watch the maneuvering. If I was a partisan, I was a partisan for the Stark family, but did not care if any Stark ended up on the iron throne.
I like to predict the moves of the players and analyze their strategy. I'm not much interested in media critique or analysis; can barely read the stories before I'm ready to fall asleep. Doesn't hold my interest. My impression of Althouse: she is far more interested in a critique of the media then of the politicians who are featured in said news stories.
Aren't Mr Trump's spelling errors likely to be typos that occur during texting?
Phil 314: The easy way to eliminate contestants is to ask them to spell a homonym and regardless of answer declare they spelled the wrong one.
They did that in "The Simpsons". Lisa was given the word "weather" (or "whether"), and so she asked for it to be used in a sentence. "I don't know whether or not the weather will change tomorrow."
In reality, unless I'm mistaken, the contestant can ask for the definition, so homonyms wouldn't actually work.
Have them chug a beer every time they spell a word correctly. They’ll be done long before midnight.
@Mike . Note she said "we" and as you pointed out she was talking about the DNC-media. So the we is the DNC-media and she is one of them. And why "outsmart" So the Dems can win the 2020 election.
I never thought Spelling had much to do with intelligence. I suppose you can't be a great speller and be stupid - but plenty of smart people can't spell well.
Once spell check came along, I tossed my dictionary and never looked back. Trump, of course, can have people spell-check his tweets. If some are being misspelled, its because he thinks misspellings help him in some way (cf: scott adams).
Potatoe - still funny though.
But with the advent of RSVBee, which supplied 292 of this year’s 565 contestants, families who can afford a $1,500 entry fee — plus six nights at the $300-a-night Gaylord and other expenses — can bypass the traditional path to the Bee.
So it's a rich kids game?
No.
Seriously? Less than $4k to be able to get your kid into the national Spelling Bee? That's < $15 / week to save up to do that. Any middle class family that really wants their kid in there, can do that
I learned to read using phonics. This served me well, until I miss-spelled "giraffe" with a "j" during final-three speed rounds in a 7th grade spelling bee. That one problem, and the first time I said "indict" aloud in a 9th grade class, are the only times phonics haslet me down.
The National Spelling Bee is unfair to the deaf and non-English speakers. And kids with learning disabilities should get extra time.
Ann Althouse said...
"???????????????"
Well, that's the question today. I could spell it out, but the challenge is for you to understand the blog you are reading. If that seems inconsistent, play "What if you had to argue?"
What if you had to argue those 2 statements are not inconsistent?
I could easily answer the question, but I don't want to encourage dependency.
5/31/19, 11:34 AM
If you were a better writer, your meaning would be clear. You do this often. It's very reminiscent of Pee-wee Herman, how you meant to do that.
You are not a great writer. Richard Fernandez is a great writer. You should read him every time he publishes at Belmont Club. Probably you should buy his books. Your problem is you can't decide whether you want to write a bad good blog or a good bad blog. Ultimately you will succumb because as we all know, your "nostalgie de la boue" means that you like what is bad. You remind me of Toulouse-Lautrec's passage about how ladies of his time would go about with tame monkeys who by comparison would make them appear all the more beautiful and graceful.
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