March 7, 2019

"I see everything as an opportunity. This is an opportunity once again to declare as strongly as possible opposition to anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim statements [and] white supremacist attitudes."

Said Nancy Pelosi, quoted in "Pelosi Says House Will Condemn All Hate as Anti-Semitism Debate Overshadows Congress" (NYT).
She took a shot at President Trump and his equivocal statements after the deadly white supremacist march in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017: “The president may think there are good people on both sides, we don’t share that view.”

Democrats are confident that they can unite the caucus, and they want to get the fight over [Ilhan] Omar out of the way....  Ms. Omar, a Minnesota Democrat and one of the first two Muslim women elected to Congress, has been fending off accusations of anti-Semitism for weeks...

“It’s not about her, it’s about these forms of hatred,” Ms. Pelosi said about the resolution. Tensions boiled over in a closed-door meeting of House Democrats on Wednesday that pitted older Jewish Democrats who want a forthright statement condemning anti-Semitism against younger liberals....
For another perspective, here's "The Democratic Inquisition has come after Ilhan Omar/But strong popular resistance is foiling attempts to burn her at the political stake" by Richard Silverstein (Al Jazeera):

Stuck in its old ways and almost taking dictation from the Israel lobby, the Democratic congressional leadership decided to make an example of Omar by preparing a resolution denouncing anti-Semitism and by implication, her. This is the Democratic Party eating its young....

Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Bernie Sanders have criticised the vicious campaign against Omar; other progressive members of Congress have also expressed their support for her. The New York Times, in a sympathetic report, noted the generational split between a younger generation of insurgents like Omar and older, veteran colleagues who started their political careers at a time when AIPAC held absolute control over these issues....

Today there is a countervailing force of progressive Democrats, Jews and non-Jews, who no longer take marching orders from the white, male, plutocrats of the Israel lobby. They have become strong enough not only to bring the likes of Omar to Congress but also to keep them there and grow their numbers.

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Earnest Prole said...

I prefer out-and-proud anti-Semitism because you then know who's the enemy.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Good news, Democratics. David Duke has come out in full support of Ilhan Omar(D).

Richard said...

The Democrats have morphed into the Labor Party. They are now openly anti-Semitic.

Bay Area Guy said...

Pelosi: “The president may think there are good people on both sides, we don’t share that view.”

Nancy Pants is just stupid. The Charlottesville episode OF COURSE had some good people on both side. Some generally think that Confederate statues should be torn down, because they evoke unpleasant memories of a racist South; some think Robert E. Lee and folks should remain as part of historical heritage. Some were violent Antifa mob actors spoiling for a fight; some were trouble-making white supremacists, perhaps even a few Neo-Klansmen.

But there's no doubt there were SOME good people on both sides.

Ken B said...

The Al Jazeera story is from another source, not another perspective.

rhhardin said...

I haven't checked recently but the remarks I read of hers weren't antisemitic.

Who knows what white supremacist means though. Rejection of identity politics, probably.

If you don't do identity politics, whites come out ahead, is the feeling.

Bay Area Guy said...

Also, when Omar starts using the phrase "Dual-Loyalties" in connection with support for Israel, most sober folks understand what she means.

Jewish Democrats of the World unite! You have nothing to lose but the anti-semitic leftists in your caucus!

The Godfather said...

If the Democrats won't condemn Omar's anti-Semitic remarks, then voters would be entitled to believe that the Democrats agree with those remarks. If I were a Jew, it seems to me that this would make me uncomfortable to support that party. I don't see why the Democratic leadership would want to risk alienating an important constituency -- unless the leadership regards anti-Semites as a more important constituency.

Lucien said...

If saying “All lives matter” can count as racist, then doesn’t saying “We condemn all religious hatred” count as anti-semitism?

traditionalguy said...

Hating All Jews because of rumors there are some bad Jews is demonic. No one hates all Italians or all French because of reports about the bad Italians or bad Frenchmen . Israel is the Jews who fight back. Hate them at your own risk.

Ken B said...

BAG
She is pushing the hoax that Trump was talking about neo Nazis when he was actually talking about both sides in the statues issue. She is exploiting a lie believed by her base.

Drago said...

Richard: "The Democrats have morphed into the Labor Party. They are now openly anti-Semitic."

The increasing virulence of anti-semitism from the left on campuses and in politics is in direct correlation to the increasing political and cultural alliance between the left/LLR's and islamic supremacism.

The evidence of which is manifest and irrefutable.

Unknown said...

You are missing the point. It is about free speech. It used to be, you said that, I disagree and here is why. It is now, you said that, you cannot say that.

Mike Sylwester said...

I don't care about Jews who vote Democrat.

I don't care if they are insulted by Democrat politicians.

Laslo Spatula said...

I don't know about what constitutes anti-semitism anymore.

I mean, I used to think I got it, but now I'm thinking I misunderstood.

Because if anti-semitism was as bad as I previously thought, I would think Jews would be leaving the Democrat Party in droves, being that they are obviously considered dual-loyalists there, and that the party can't even make a watered-down point about being against anti-semitism without backpedaling and saying that you need to speak out firmly against Islamophobia first.

Oh yeah: and blacks and the BLT sandwich.

Then, you even have your party's major presidential contenders speaking out for Ilhan Omar and her brave stance about those pesky Jews.

Me? I would feel like maybe I wasn't wanted, like maybe I needed to hang out somewhere else.

But, if the majority of Jews are okay with that treatment, then God Bless Them: they know better than me. I realize now that my understanding was wrong, and that this is all good-natured ribbing among friends and compatriots.

I guess I'll turn my attentions to cute cats that need homes and wayward Catholic schoolgirls in trouble.

I am Laslo.

Ken B said...

Really Hardin? Saying they “hypnotize” the world wasn’t anti Semitic?

mockturtle said...

This whole 'condemnation' demand is an infringement on free speech. Obviously I reject antiSemitism but I don't think being an antiSemite should be illegal or prevent one from being elected to Congress. If they start monitoring every remark for 'hate speech' we will be rebuked--or worse--for wrong-think. It's a slippery slope and we should stay off of it.

Bilwick said...

I saw the new Rolling Stone cover on "the New Face of Congress" or something, showing Pelosi, with Omar and AOC. (And someone named Jahana Hayes, whom I know nothing about, although I could go WAAAYYY out on a limb and guess that she's another statist.) Grest: statism AND anti-Semitism. I mean, if you're allied with a creature like Omar, you can hardly plead innocence. But maybe Pelosi isn't quite the evil witch she's given me the impression of being. (Operative word: "quite.")

Retail Lawyer said...

Democrats have an ongoing problem here. Omar is just getting warmed up and will not be quiet. She truly represents her constituents. America has imported a very hateful ethnic group and they have preserved their hate - it is part of their culture and it would be White supremacy to try to change it. Our rich mosaic . . . . bla bla. "White supremacy", by which they mean White people, are not the problem here. Not going to fool enough people for long enough, Nancy.

Stay tuned for much more of this.

Drago said...

"Because if anti-semitism was as bad as I previously thought, I would think Jews would be leaving the Democrat Party in droves, being that they are obviously considered dual-loyalists there, and that the party can't even make a watered-down point about being against anti-semitism without backpedaling and saying that you need to speak out firmly against Islamophobia first."

Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that only "cultural jews" vote in the majority for democrats.

Jews who are religiously observant have a much different view of things.

The good news is that for many lefty and LLR commenters on this blog history will reset shortly and "uncomfortable" topics such as this one can be safely forgotten.

Rob said...

The conversation I imagine is after Omar’s first all-about-the-Benjamins tweet, Pelosi telling her, "You may not realize it, but what you tweeted is offensive to Jews." And Omar replies, "Hold my beer!"

But I respect the Democratic Party. They want to be a big tent, in which both Semites and anti-Semites are welcome.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Today there is a countervailing force of progressive Democrats, Jews and non-Jews, who no longer take marching orders from the white, male, plutocrats of the Israel lobby. They have become strong enough not only to bring the likes of Omar to Congress but also to keep them there and grow their numbers.”

Indeed. We are Americans, are we not?

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Code:

"I see everything as an opportunity to bash Trump."

Drago said...

Nothing says "I love America" more than the full embrace of Farrakhan and out and proud anti-semites.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Inga reveals her true colors. Leftwing anti-Semite. and a racist. check.

Drago said...

There are some who look at America and its Jewish citizens and ask "why?".

I look at an America that is without Jews and ask "why not?".

Ilhan Omar and her islamic supremacist pals

Lucid-Ideas said...

Rahm Emanuel's letter called it what it was openly.

I dislike Emanuel intensely but he got it right on this one because his not running for re-election allowed him to say it.

She's and Tlaib are anti-Semites. Full stop. They've now seen that they're going to be protected and get away with it which means it will only intensify.

If I was a Jew I wouldn't walk away from the DNC. I'd run.

Drago said...

Dickin'Bimbos@Home: "Inga reveals her true colors. Leftwing anti-Semite. and a racist. check."

It's not really that.

It's just that on the Left Wing Marxist-Identity Totem Pole (sorry "Li'l Tomahawk" Warren!!) muslims rank higher than white jews.

So we see lefties on this very blog pretending that what is happening right in front of us doesn't exist at all because to "notice" it would require a response....a response every lefty knows full well they cannot deliver 'cuz Team Left.

J. Farmer said...

Frankly, I care about anti-semitism about as much as I care about racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, and Islamophobia. That is, not very much. The whole thing is little more than an effort to convict someone of thought crime. What matters is how people behave, what they do, and how they treat people. A good idea is not turned into a bad idea because an anti-semite (or a racist or a sexist or a bigot) expresses it.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga reveals her true colors. Leftwing anti-Semite. and a racist. check.”

The idocy of Trumpism on display. Are the Jewish members of Congress who won’t condemn speech also anti Semites? Do they hate themselves?

Jim Gust said...

Bret Stephens has an astute column on this subject:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/opinion/ilhan-omar-anti-semitism.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

n.n said...

Diversity or color judgments, including color prejudice, sex chauvinism, political congruence, age discrimination (e.g. selective-child), anti-nativism, etc.

Big Mike said...

Do they hate themselves?

Looks that way, doesn't it?

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

"I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans!"

Peace To All Americans is racist. Only some Americans deserve peace.

narciso said...

well except they wouldn't mind the elimination of Israel, which I don't think would matter much to Somalia, note the ritual denunciation of the kingdom, but not a word against Qatar, but that was the notes, she imbibed from her parents who part of said barre's entourage, tlaib is of Jordanian background, by way of Nicaragua,

Drago said...

"Are the Jewish members of Congress who won’t condemn speech also anti Semites?"

Look how "cleverly" a certain someone thinks that is worded.

What we are really talking about is Jewish members of Congress who want to condemn clearly anti-semitic speech being beaten down by democrat leaders because everyone knows how the dems/left/LLR's are fully aligned with the islamic supremacists.

Big Mike said...

@Jim Gust, let me know where I can find it without a paywall in front of it.

Drago said...

Remember, a certain lefty commenter on this very blog passionately defended The Women's March long, long, long after it was made public the Women's March leadership were totally in thrall to Farrakhan.

So, yes, a jewish member of congress (or poster on this blog) who openly sides with islamic supremacists who speak about jews as if they were not human are, indeed, anti-semitic.

By definition.

Leland said...

In other words, "This is an opportunity once again to declare as strongly as possible opposition to free speech by ordinary citizens".

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Me? I would feel like maybe I wasn't wanted, like maybe I needed to hang out somewhere else.”

Jewish American Democrat’s are intelligent enough to see what is happening here. It’s not even about her anti Semitic comments, it’s about silencing those you disagree with. Free speech and American values are more important than anyone’s hurt feelings.

Drago said...

"In other words, "This is an opportunity once again to declare as strongly as possible opposition to free speech by ordinary citizens"."

Nope.

It's an opportunity to declare as strongly as possible, using your own free speech rights, that anti-semitic speech and actions are wrong.

But the dems know they cannot do that, so they are policing themselves very effectively from a Marxist-Identity perspective.

Greg P said...

So, Democrats now reject "hate"?

So they reject anyone who attacks "whiteness"? Anyone who attacks "white males"? Anyone who attacks MAGA hat wearers?

If you attack someone who's eating their dinner in public, that is hate. Do Democrats reject that now?

Asking for a friend.

narciso said...

he practices that other handism, but a more virulent form is what you see in the uk, with Corbyn, and diane abbott, and a host of others,


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/opinion/ilhan-omar-anti-semitism.html

Drago said...

Inga: "It’s not even about her anti Semitic comments, it’s about silencing those you disagree with."

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Let that one sink in long and hard as you ponder what the left has been doing to disfavored groups around this nation in terms of free speech rights over the last 50 years.

Lydia said...

“Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.”

If I didn't know Ilhan Omar had written that, I'd have assumed it was said by Louis Farrakhan.

Greg P said...

Lucien said...
If saying “All lives matter” can count as racist, then doesn’t saying “We condemn all religious hatred” count as anti-semitism?

Lucien wins the thread

Drago said...

"If I didn't know Ilhan Omar had written that, I'd have assumed it was said by Louis Farrakhan"

Or any leader of the Womens March.

Or any islamic supremacist in Europe...or the Middle East....or anywhere else.

We have voluntarily allowed mass migration into this nation which included, purposely thru lack of adequate vetting, those that want to destroy this nation and "transform" it.

The desire on the part of the islamic supremacists to transform America is precisely why the left/LLR's have made common cause with them, because that's what the left/LLR's want to do too....as they happily tell us.

Greg P said...

Unknown said...
You are missing the point. It is about free speech.

Democrats are opposed to free speech for the Right.

That means they don't get any, either.

narciso said...

yes you've got the gist of it,

http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/07/labour-partys-response-anti-semitism-accusations-appears-confirm/

Lucid-Ideas said...

Mel Brooks once joked with Johnny Carson that in his estimation, roughly half of jews were "self-hating" jews. Jews and Judaism are not monolithic and there are in fact jews that hate Israel, Judaism, and their own identity.

You could make a logical argument that self-hating jews who hate other jews are the worst anti-Semites.

J. Farmer said...

Anti-semitism is a word, like racism, we should attempt to restrict from our vocabulary. It far too often tends to obscure more than it enlightens. Because like racism, anti-semitism has been stretched to basically mean "any criticism of Jews as a group." As Steve Sailer puts it, political correctness is a war on noticing. And yet, people notice that Jews do indeed dominate (in far excess of their proportion to the population) positions of power and influence (e.g. media, popular culture). They do disproportionately go into fields like law and finance. They do dominate in Nobel Prizes. They do practice a high degree of ethnic nepotism. There is nothing inherently wrong with noticing any of these phenomena and discussing the historical, cultural, and biological factors that explain them. You can also acknowledge all of this without having to resort to fringe ZOG/world government/Protocols of the Elders of Zion conspiracy claptrap popular among the Stormfront set and on the edges of the alt-right.

Big Mike said...

Where is the spirit of Judah Maccabee and his brothers when we need it the most?

Nonapod said...

From the outside it seems like the Dems are undergoing a transformation as a party, one that's taking them away from a lot of middle of the road voters. There seems to be a younger more hostile and radical group of leftists that are upending a lot of the old strutures.

The youth of today seem much more susceptible to socialist utopia fantasies than the older cohort. They want radical change and they want it now! And they seem unwilling to kowtow to the grand old fossils like Pelosi and Schumer. Would they settle for a character Biden as their candidate, an old white dude? Would they be willing to admit that some of their positions won't play well to the middle American voter? Do they want to beat Trump enough that they're willing to compromise? My guess is no.

But maybe I'm imagining things. Maybe I'm infering too much.

rehajm said...

She's a bigot and instead of making her live by their own rules they weaseled. Big surprise.

She can hang out with the governor of Virginia and the lieutenant governor, and...

Al Franken must me somewhere being pissed off.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“The updated resolution does make a more forceful statement against anti-Semitic tropes, with the second clause of the resolution using the verb “condemns” instead of “rejects” as in the draft.

But that clause also replaces anti-Semitism with “anti-Semitic acts and statements” — language designed to make clear that Democrats don’t actually believe Omar is anti-Semitic.

The updated resolution adds seven additional clauses in the “resolved” portion of the resolution. One “condemns anti-Muslim discrimination and bigotry” — language that seemingly defends Omar, who upon her swearing in this year became one of the first two Muslim women to serve in Congress.

Omar frequently deals with Islamophobia, such as a recent incident in West Virginia where protesters used images trying to tie her to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. She has received threats that her some of her colleagues worry will only increase because of the media attention over this resolution.

The last clause of the resolution “encourages all public officials to confront the reality of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, racism, and other forms of bigotry, as well as historical struggles against them.””

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/house-vote-broad-anti-hate-resolution-thursday-hoyer-says

narciso said...

the womens march is part of the triumvirate of the splc (the folks that doubted hirsi ali's ordeal) cair, the Qatari Wurlitzer of hamas,* and Sharpton's national action network, that in turn sponsored private maytag (chief phillips) little shindig on the mall, along with Daniel sheehan's romero institute, wrongway Corbyn, meets all the checklists from stb contacts to ira, plo and other outgrowth,s

Drago said...

Inga going to bat for an open anti-semite. In the very same way Inga went to bat for the openly anti-semitic Womens March leadership.

That pretty much says it all.

Nonapod said...

On Twitter David Duke declared Ilhan Omar "the most important member of the US Congress."

This is pretty amazing.

Drago said...

Meanwhile, of course, the left in Britain is going the same route:

"In response to the defections, Chris Williamson, an MP for Derby North, delivered a speech where he celebrated the defection of MP Joan Ryan, who left the Labour Party due to the party’s growing anti-Semitism problem. In explaining her departure, Ryan had reiterated, “The Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn has become infected with the scourge of anti-Jewish racism. The problem simply did not exist in the party before his election as leader.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/07/labour-partys-response-anti-semitism-accusations-appears-confirm/

Drago said...

"On Twitter David Duke declared Ilhan Omar "the most important member of the US Congress."
This is pretty amazing."

Actually, entirely predictable and inevitable.

The Left in the US and in the entirety of Western Europe have made their choice: islamic supremacism over historic western civilization and values.

Everything will be sacrificed on this lefty/Islamic Altar.

Everything.

narciso said...

six of one, half a dozen of the other, why did the labour party make him leader, because like Michael foot and tony benn in the 80s, it encapsulated who they were,

Bay Area Guy said...

Now, I do agree that the "condemnation game" is very tedious.

In a better world, you should be able to say stupid stuff every once in a while, without fear of being condemned and/or fired from your job as a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, anti-semite.

But that train left the station long ago. That's how the Left rolls. Roseanne Barr fired for stupid joke on twitter. Rolling Stone, Duke Lacross, Jussie Smollet all hoaxes to perpetuate this victimization/condemnation game.

So, if those are the new rules, well, let's make these lefty loons live up to them. Ms. Oman must be CONDEMNED for her anti-semitic statements!

Inga...Allie Oop said...

She can be condemned for her speech, but if you make certain speech illegal, Trump would be as guilty as Ilhan Omar.

Sebastian said...

"political correctness is a war on noticing"

Like, noticing that many Muslims are die-hard anti-semites?

It's gonna be interesting: many Jews care more about being liberal than being Jewish, so the party infiltration by the hard antisemitic left won't necessarily scare them away, but as progs truly take over, some will become politically homeless. Perhaps the first Jewish president, the one who moved the embassy to Jerusalem, can take advantage.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Inga - I wasn't talking about "Jews in congress" WE all know the left fall in line. Because leftist, first. - I was talking about you. You and your cut and paste idiotic loaded coded "Israel Lobby".

Drago said...

BAG: "But that train left the station long ago. That's how the Left rolls. Roseanne Barr fired for stupid joke on twitter."

For God's sake a simple rodeo clown, who always wore a mask of the person who happened to be President lost his job and career for wearing an Obama mask.

And the entire left/LLR cabal stood up as one and cheered.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Actually, entirely predictable and inevitable.

The Left in the US and in the entirety of Western Europe have made their choice: islamic supremacism over historic western civilization and values.


David Duke is on "the left" and has made a "choice" for "islamic supremacism?" Huh?

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Trump doesn't have anything to do with Ilhan Omar(D).

mockturtle said...

Displaying totalitarian attitudes like the Dems will not be our salvation. Two wrongs, as they say...

Drago said...

Farmer: "David Duke is on "the left" and has made a "choice" for "islamic supremacism?" Huh?"

David Duke, and hundreds like him, are "one-offs" who signify nothing.

You know that.

You should stop pretending you don't.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

David Duke swung his loyalties out the where they belong - the leftwing hate crowd.

He's home!

mockturtle said...

David Duke is on "the left" and has made a "choice" for "islamic supremacism?" Huh?

There has been for some time at least a casual alliance between White Supremacist groups and Islamist groups.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

David Duke, and hundreds like him, are "one-offs" who signify nothing.

That may be, but still explaining his motivation in terms of leftism and Islamic supremacism is incoherent.

Unknown said...

Democrats are against everything that everybody hates.

Got it.....

Quaestor said...

But there's no doubt there were SOME good people on both sides.

But fewer on the "tear down the statue" side. I remember even our Inga condemned the racism of Ilhan Omar and pronounced her unfit to serve on the HFAC.

J. Farmer said...

@mockturtle:

There has been for some time at least a casual alliance between White Supremacist groups and Islamist groups.

Alliance is probably overstating the case. If anything, they simply have an overlapping interest: an obsession with Jewish conspiracy theories and supposedly nefarious machinations. Duke also believes in stopping all Muslim migration into the US.

Drago said...

"That may be, but still explaining his motivation in terms of leftism and Islamic supremacism is incoherent"

I'm not explaining Dukes motivations...because who cares.

I've written over and over again about the alliance between the western marxist left and the islamic supremacists.

But we are talking about the jews again....which, like the topic of Israel, usually elicits some "strange" responses from you.

Drago said...

Farmer: "Alliance is probably overstating the case."

Nope. It's literally institutionalized in academia and in government, particularly in western Europe and now the the US.

See: Rotherham.

Known Unknown said...

Congressional resolutions are all mainly pointless theater.

Quaestor said...

There has been for some time at least a casual alliance between White Supremacist groups and Islamist groups.

Quite some time time, in fact.

Drago said...

"It will be fun, or troubling, depending on your perspective, to watch the generations work themselves out..."

Following Britain's Labor Party will provide some instructive insight as to how it will all "work out"....

Charlie Currie said...

I dislike speech codes. Don't go around supporting speech codes if don't want speech codes. They will destroy you.

This resolution, if it happens, will end up allowing the condemnation of speaking out against Islamist terrorism, while allowing the condemnation of Israel to defend its self from Islamist terrorism.

Drago said...

Known Unknown: "Congressional resolutions are all mainly pointless theater."

Making the House democrat leadership collapse on this even more striking.

buwaya said...

The FDR Democrats maintained majorities for many decades by keeping the solid Democratic South, which was more than a bit antisemitic, and racist besides. At the same time they had solid Jewish backing and increasing black majorities in the urban North.

Incoherence and hypocrisy aren't obstacles as long as there is something in it for everyone.
If someone is paying, no problem.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

I'm not explaining Dukes motivations...because who cares.

Well, you described the tweet as "entirely predictable and inevitable," and then I guess followed that up with a complete non sequitur.

But we are talking about the jews again....which, like the topic of Israel, usually elicits some "strange" responses from you.

No, I am actually perfectly consistent on this topic regardless of the victim group. It is you who seems to turn into an SJW only on this particular slice of identity politics.

walter said...

Can Tess Holliday et al get in on this anti-hate action?

Drago said...

Farmer: "No, I am actually perfectly consistent on this topic regardless of the victim group. It is you who seems to turn into an SJW only on this particular slice of identity politics"

Uh huh.

narciso said...

no this is way identity politics is supposed to work, that wasn't in the brochure, silversteins Qatari stylings are choice though

Quaestor said...

Congressional resolutions are all mainly pointless theater.

This one, however, is far from pointless, is it not?

If you really believe in the Flat Earth, eventually you will fall off the edge of the world.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Agree with Mockturtle on speech codes.

Also agree tho that this Omar person should not be on any committees.

Enlighten-NewJersey said...

Perhaps Omar is anti just about everything,including anti-American. What is this woman for other than welding power to take the money earned by people she doesn’t like in order to give to people she prefers?

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

See: Rotherham.

I don't see Rotherham as a product of an alliance between White Supremacist groups and Islamist groups. That would be a very bizarre construction. Rotherham was a result of political correctness taken to its absurd degree. I am an ethno-nationalist. Rotherham is pretty much the opposite of the kind of society I want to live in.

Anonymous said...

Bay Area Guy: ...some were trouble-making white supremacists, perhaps even a few Neo-Klansmen.

Or maybe not. While there are a few (marginal, powerless, broke) "white nationalists" out there, "white supremacists" are a product of hate-mongering pols' and msm propaganda departments.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Uh huh.

Devastating critique as always. But I guess that's what I can expect from someone who traffics in insinuation and innuendo.

narciso said...

now when al Jazeera absorbed current, it was hipdeep in black lives matter agitation, the ones initiated by Farrakhan, but then perfected by Sharpton and most recently mckisson and coates, with Gillum being the bullet we narrowly missed down here, fusion works much the same way with latinos,

gahrie said...

David Duke is on "the left" and has made a "choice" for "islamic supremacism?" Huh?

David Duke has spent most of his life on the Left and as a Democrat. He briefly became a Republican and ran as a Republican for president and that is all that anyone remembers. The Republican Party has denounced Duke repeatedly.

Drago said...

Farmer: "I don't see Rotherham as a product of an alliance between White Supremacist groups and Islamist groups."

Still at it eh?

Drago said...

Farmer: "But I guess that's what I can expect from someone who traffics in insinuation and innuendo."

Just keep playing dumb...

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“You and your cut and paste idiotic loaded coded "Israel Lobby".”

Where do you think I was quoting from? It’s the last paragraph of Althouse’s blogpost. Is Althouse guilty of anti Semitism because she quoted that paragraph? Try reading the blogpost.

J. Farmer said...

@gahrie:

David Duke has spent most of his life on the Left and as a Democrat. He briefly became a Republican and ran as a Republican for president and that is all that anyone remembers. The Republican Party has denounced Duke repeatedly

I agree that Duke has never been a significant force in the GOP and has mostly been used as a cudgel by the ethnic activism wing of the Establishment, but party affiliations is not always a proxy for one's political orientation. Larry McDonald, the Congressman from Georgia, had been a member of the Democratic Party his entire life, but it would be daft to describe him as on "the left." He was the president of the John Birch Society for god's sake.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Just keep playing dumb...

Make an accusation, refuse to back it up, and then double down. Did you get a hold of some kind of social justice warrior checklist?

Drago said...

Sure Farmer. Sure.

SDaly said...

Liberal Jews have really underestimated the danger of anti-Semitism among American blacks. They thought they could control it as a manageable problem. But then they went whole-hog for importing Muslims and other non-white people to support the Democratic Party, thinking they could remain in control. Now, in the "big tent" Democratic party, there is a sufficient and growing percentage of (1) actual anti-Semites and (2) "identities" that don't care about anti-Semitism (Hispanics, Indians & other Asians) that the very small (percentage-wise) Jews are becoming expendable.

Not very smart.

buwaya said...

In other words, many are worrying way too much about messaging consistency.
The error is in assuming that reason applies to surface manifestations.
These thing work in levels.

Beneath the overt, public messaging levels there are the real ones of interests, power and money. That's where reason really does apply. Cats and dogs will lie together, the lions will lie down with the lambs, if it pays.

Above that you don't have reason but rationalization. There are many very clever people currently putting much creative work into rationalization.

narciso said...

it's tim Blair's law, all left and right idiocy, eventually blends together,

narciso said...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/07/amber-rudd-apologises-calling-diane-abbott-coloured-woman/

J. Farmer said...

@SDaly:

Liberal Jews have really underestimated the danger of anti-Semitism among American blacks. They thought they could control it as a manageable problem.

See the New York Times go to great pains to cover the recent assaults on members of the Hasidic community without making a big deal about the fact that it's young black men doing the assaulting.

narciso said...

that's from may's mini me, who follows every self destructive two step, of her mentor,

Jim at said...

Indeed. We are Americans, are we not?

If you have to identify yourself as X-American this and X-American that, then you're nothing more than a tribalist looking to divide.

Which is very unAmerican.

rcocean said...

Republican: You're antisemitic.
Democrat: NO, you're antisemitic
Republican: Hardly, no one loves Israel more then me.
Democrat: Ha. I cried when Bibi came.
Republican: Well, and I cried - and touched his shoulder. I didn't wash my hand for a week.

Meanwhile, we can't get border security or a million other problems solved. What a clown Congress!

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“If you have to identify yourself as X-American this and X-American that, then you're nothing more than a tribalist looking to divide.

Which is very unAmerican.”

Not an original thought in your head.

rcocean said...

Maybe our Congressman could tell us how much $$$ - we have to give themm to pay attention to the USA and its problems.

narciso said...

no it's off a piece, bibi of course believes in the wall, an imperfect vehicle for the preservation of the wall,

rcocean said...

This the perfect thread for Inga and her friends. LOL!

J. Farmer said...

Theresa May has been a disgrace to British politics. Never mind electing a pro-EU europhile to manage Brexit, May should have stepped down after her disastrous decision to call a snap election, resulting in the Tories losing seats and forcing the government into coalition with the DUP. May is probably ensuring the future absence of Northern Ireland and Scotland from the United Kingdom. Of course, "Little Englanders" will be blamed.

J. Farmer said...

@rcocean:

Meanwhile, we can't get border security or a million other problems solved. What a clown Congress!

This a thousand times.

n.n said...

Democrats are Pro-Choice in principle. To their credit, they have remained viable and managed to abort the baby and have her, too. Here's to progress of the liberal kind.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Inga- you do realize you were quoting the article linked by Ann, but not Ann herself, right?
Or are you that stupid.

Shouting Thomas said...

Interestingly, Pelosi points to something tangible when it comes to anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic “statements’.

When it comes to white supremacy, all she’s got is “attitudes,” which of course are not tangible.

I wonder why?

Anonymous said...

narciso links to Amber Rudd apologises after calling Diane Abbott a 'coloured woman'"

Thanks for the comic relief, narciso. Christ, what a clown show. Can't we just hurry up and get to the serious show trials, when every one of the clowns participating in these farces will finally be put up against the wall and shot?

walter said...

Also in Mini-Soda, Ellison gettin' it done:
http://www.startribune.com/plasma-donation-company-discriminated-against-transgender-woman-lawsuit-says/506833132/

n.n said...

we can't get border security or a million other problems solved

Overlapping and converging interests. As well as super-constitutional gerrymandering that has placed Americans second, third, and further back.

chuck said...

I'm waiting for the Democrats to go big time after the Catholics. Dual loyalties, you know.

Jim at said...

Displaying totalitarian attitudes like the Dems will not be our salvation. Two wrongs, as they say... - MT

I'd agree with you, but the left needs to be bludgeoned by the very same rules they decree for the rest of us. That's the only way this crap is going to stop.

narciso said...

may had gove knife boris at the finish line, patel did the same to Leadsom, so she ended up like underwood, when the debris cleared,

Michael K said...

Incoherence and hypocrisy aren't obstacles as long as there is something in it for everyone.
If someone is paying, no problem.


“I have known a vast quantity of nonsense talked about bad men not looking you in the face. Don’t trust that conventional idea. Dishonesty will stare honesty out of countenance, any day in the week, if there is anything to be got by it.”

–Charles Dickens

Shouting Thomas said...

For God’s sake, Inga, the most boring, vicious, liar on this board who constantly repeats the lies about Charlottesville accuses somebody of not having original thoughts.

You cannot write a sentence without lying, Inga. It’s quite a talent.

Che Dolf said...

Nancy Pelosi: "If this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our commitment to our aid, I don’t even call it our aid, our cooperation with Israel."

Michael Tracey: "I defy anyone to seriously argue that this statement from Pelosi could constitute anything other than a declaration of 'allegiance.' No, she doesn't swear a formal oath, but she makes her eternal, unbreakable commitment to Israel 100% clear. Omar was right."

Browndog said...

Omar hates Jews because islam demands it. This has little to do with politics.

Charlie Currie said...

You can't import anti-Semites and not expect to get anti-Semitism.

You cannot import anti-Semites, settle all of them in one Congressional district and not expect to get an anti-Semitic Congressional representative.

This was planned and executed by Democrats. Very successfully, I might add.

Bay Area Guy said...

The Left LIVES for racial identify politics. That's their mother's milk. You find some corporate exec somewhere saying something stupid about blacks or hispanics or gays, BAM,you got protests, racial equality seminars, revamped HR policies, abject apologies, firing, and massive donations to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, NAACP or Southern Poverty Law Center.

It's a joke.

Unknown said...

Does this mean it's OK to say "All lives matter?"

alanc709 said...

I've never understood how the majority of secular jews, most of them left-wing, will tolerant and even condone anti-semitism. You really have to be a committed progressive to overlook such invective, because when the day comes, those same people will be seen first, and only, as jews. I've been there myself, but once I left college and actually saw the world, I turned 180 degrees from my previous views. In my view, Ilhan Omar should have been censured for her comments. To take this current watered-down action will only embolden her and her supporters to go farther.

mockturtle said...

I'd agree with you, but the left needs to be bludgeoned by the very same rules they decree for the rest of us. That's the only way this crap is going to stop.

Bludgeoned through the media, yes, and in the public square but not, please, by legislation.

alanc709 said...

I should mention, of course, that I qualify as a secular jew, since I seldom attend services.

Jim at said...

Bludgeoned through the media, yes, and in the public square but not, please, by legislation.

Sure. And I don't believe that's what's happening here. The left is running - or trying to run - a worthless resolution to cover their asses because someone on their side is making them look bad.

Jim at said...

Not an original thought in your head.

Snort. Says the cut-n-paste queen who can't even comprehend half the crap she cuts and pastes.

Stupid-American is your tribe ... with an overlap of the Arrogant-American.
Embrace it.

rcocean said...

Theresa May has been a disgrace to British politics.

Agreeance. But then a "remainder" should NEVER been in charge of exiting from EU. BTW, that's one drawback of the parliamentary system is you can end up with leaders that no one ever voted for.

Sometimes I think the Parliamentary system would be better for USA, then realize we'd end up with PM Mitch McConnell.

narciso said...

but even that is a step too far, we know that their neighbor sudan, has gone through a similar path,

jg said...

beating a dead "white supremacy" bogeyman to punish the jew-hating muslim
also, anyone who doesn't vote for us is white supremacist

narciso said...

I explained how that happened, but does anyone listen to zathras,

Bay Area Guy said...

"Theresa May has been a disgrace to British politics"

Probably, true.

But, have you seen the opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn? He's a vicious little socialist SOB, way more disciplined and focused than our Crazy Bernie Sanders.

Kevin said...

2016: All lives matter!
Pelosi: Black lives matter!

2020: Jew-hatred matters!
Pelosi: All hatred matters!

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga- you do realize you were quoting the article linked by Ann, but not Ann herself, right?
Or are you that stupid.”

You are that stupid. Here is what I said.

“Where do you think I was quoting from? It’s the last paragraph of Althouse’s blogpost. Is Althouse guilty of anti Semitism because she QUOTED that paragraph? Try reading the blogpost.”

Kevin said...

I like how she's censoring anti-Jewish statements, anti-Muslim statements, and pro-white ... attitudes.

I see what she did there.

Bay Area Guy said...

Latest version of the Democrat Resolution:

"We hereby condemn all hate speech everywhere by anyone. Charlottesville."

-- Speaker Pelosi and the Dems

walter said...

Has Omar hit the Mini-Apple-ous streets to suss out the Somali gang violence?

buwaya said...

"Jews are becoming expendable."

No they aren't. To risk offending, the truth must be said, that US politics runs on money.

PM said...

I saw Duke's statement as nothing more than the-enemy-of-my-enemy...

Big Mike said...

From satirical website the Babylon Bee: “Omar had been an enthusiastic supporter of the Green New Deal and wanted to save the earth, but then she noticed something very disturbing when looking at a map of the earth: Earth is the planet on which Israel resides.”

rcocean said...

But, have you seen the opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn?

Good God, what a loony! Every once and a while he'll say something I agree with because he's not part of the Establishment, but then he go back to being a dangerous nut.

Elect Him, and its goodbye England. He'll sign over the UK to Brussels faster than Holland surrendered to Hitler.

rcocean said...

If Liberals wouldn't constantly quote him, no one would know who David Duke is.

SDaly said...

Yes US politics runs on money (although I think the money-advantage trope is overstating things). But if you've got the voting numbers to control the Federal Gov't, you've got the world's largest ATM from which to reward supporters and direct spending that can be re-funneled to party support.

Big Mike said...

Anyway, Jewish Democrats will continue to support the Democrats with their donations and votes right up until Pelosi and crews load them onto the cattle cars. And even then they’ll blame us Republicans.

Scott Patton said...


"This is an opportunity once again to declare as strongly as possible opposition to anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim statements [and] white supremacist attitudes."

anti-Semitism
anti-Muslim statements
white supremacist attitudes

One of these things are not like the other.

Shouting Thomas said...

“We hate straight white men!”

That’s the cornerstone of Democratic policy.

It would be simpler to just say that.

Skeptical Voter said...

Pelosi delivers a diaper load of progressive pabulum---which smells strangely like cattle feed lot dust. You can "Depend(s)" on Nancy, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

Hagar said...

Ilhan Omar is sort of an AO-C from the Somali tribal community in Minneapolis and neither intelligent or knowledgeable enough to be an "anti-Semite." Pelosi wants their votes and those of other tribal communities around the country - Somali and any others feeling themselves similarly situated in this to them strange and foreign land.
It is just an unusually stark example of identity politics run amok.

Wince said...

"I see everything as an opportunity. This is an opportunity once again to declare as strongly as possible opposition to anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim statements [and] white supremacist attitudes." She took a shot at President Trump and his equivocal statements after the deadly white supremacist march in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017: “The president may think there are good people on both sides, we don’t share that view.”

Indeed, Pelosi is a racial opportunist. Has Charlottesville been repeated since? Or has that shit fizzled in the rear mirror with the last administration?

Part of the healing of racial wounds is to give everyone a voice. And a job. And to welcome everyone back in the fold.

Without naming names, Pelosi wants there to always be "bad people" on the "other" side to perpetuate the division she exploits as a means to power.

Amadeus 48 said...

There is a lot of confusion here.

Either you stand with Israel or you don’t. You either see Jews as the “other” or you don’t. Omar doesn’t stand with Israel, and she thinks of Jews as the “other.” She thinks a lot of other things about Jews, too, which we will undoubtedly hear about soon.

So we know what Omar is. What are her enablers?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Devastating critique as always. But I guess that's what I can expect from someone who traffics in insinuation and innuendo.”

Add to that, gross mischaracterization and outright lies. It’s propaganda.

Hagar said...

FDR formed and ran on a coalition of "the Solid South," northern Blacks, blue-collar "Big Labor," and Wall Street/Harvard billionaire liberal Jews.
But Pelosi is no FDR.

Bay Area Guy said...

Democrat Party Priorities:

1. Post-Birth abortions
2. Hate Israel
3. Green New Deal - stop farting cows.
4. Impeach Trump

J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

There is a lot of confusion here.

Agree about the confusion but not about what is being confused. The confusion, I think, is the peculiar American habit of requiring its elected officials to express obsequious fealty to a foreign power. The notion that you "either stand with Israel or you don't" is an obnoxious purity test that reduces complex questions to a foolish Manichean construction.

Hagar said...

Democrat Party priorities:
Get elected by hook or by crook.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

All self hating Jews apparently, eh?

http://jewswithilhan.org/?fbclid=IwAR1ymQ12Gk8UpPAYXq7WpMMe9tIW_FbMQxKS1QvRU145822LMf3NNA49WY4

“We Stand with Ilhan

We are Jews who stand with Representative Ilhan Omar. She has been falsely accused of anti-Semitism since tweeting that GOP threats against her and Representative Rashida Tlaib for criticizing Israel were “all about the Benjamins baby.” When asked to clarify who is paying members of Congress “to be pro-Israel,” Omar replied, “AIPAC!”

There is absolutely nothing anti-Semitic about calling out the noxious role of AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee), which spends millions each year to buy U.S. political support for Israeli aggression and militarism against the Palestinian people. As the NYC chapter of Jewish Voice for Peace summed up: “Accurately describing how the Israel lobby works in this country is not anti-Semitic. The never-ending smear campaign against Ilhan Omar is racism and Islamophobia in action.”

There is no denying that money rules U.S. politics, and that powerful lobbies from the NRA to the fossil fuel lobby to AIPAC play destructive, anti-democratic roles in our political system, wielding money for legislative influence. The pro-Israel lobby has played an outsized role in producing nearly unanimous congressional support for Israel. It has organized a national campaign to suppress Palestinian activism on campuses, made the Israel Anti-Boycott Act a legislative priority, and for decades has boasted about their power to make or break political careers. To point out this reality is not anti-Semitic.

Genuine anti-Semitism and the growth of white supremacy are indeed growing concerns in Donald Trump’s America. Omar and Tlaib, the first two Muslim congresswomen in this country’s history, are not part of this ugly growth of white supremacy. Instead, they are part of movements which seek to confront it. For that, and for their courageous support of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) campaign, they are being smeared by a racist and Islamophobic chorus, including the House Democratic leadership itself.

As long as the Israeli state continues to militarily besiege, economically choke, and incessantly dispossess the Palestinian people, and as long as it does so with the full backing of the United States government, we need to speak out against these crimes. We thank Ilhan Omar for having the bravery to shake up the congressional taboo against criticizing Israel. As Jews with a long tradition of social justice and anti-racism, AIPAC does not represent us. #WeStandWithIlhan”

MayBee said...

Hahahahaha!!

In reality, the Democrats don't believe they can expect a Muslim woman to *not* dislike Jews. But they can't do without the Muslim vote. So they came up with this resolution.

MayBee said...

Wow. Jews with Ilhan dot org. I bet they've been around a long time, and we should listen to them.

effinayright said...

Aletering what Rob said...
The conversation I imagine is after Omar’s first all-about-the-Benjamins tweet, Pelosi telling her, "You may not realize it, but what you tweeted is offensive to Jews." And Omar replies, "Hold my beer!"

But I respect the [Republican] Party. They want to be a big tent, in which both [Nazis] and [anti-Nazis] are welcome.
**************************************

Agree, Rob?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“The asymmetry of anti-Semitism, and the problem with the House resolution
Last weekend, as the outrage surrounding Omar’s comments grew, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) tweeted something equally, if not more, offensive. He blasted Jewish Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) for jumping “to Tom $teyer’s conclusion” — a reference to major Democratic donor Tom Steyer, who has a Jewish father. In essence, he implied that a Jewish rep is doing the bidding of Jewish money — a suggestion that Nadler blasted as “inane and anti-Semitic.”

Yet Jordan’s comments haven’t driven the national news cycle, or caused the House majority to write up resolutions condemning him. He just sort of skated by, part of a broader problem of Republican impunity for using anti-Semitic stereotypes. Indeed, one of the key differences between the United States and Britain is that in the US, anti-Semitic tropes are far more common on the right than the left.

Take House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who attacked Omar and Tlaib even before the latest rounds of controversy began. Last summer, McCarthy posted a tweet accusing three Steyer and two other Democratic billionaires of Jewish descent — George Soros and Michael Bloomberg — of trying to buy the midterm election.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/6/18251639/ilhan-omar-israel-anti-semitism-jews

Sebastian said...

Lefty Jew hatred is nothing new. Muslim Jew hatred is nothing new. The melding of leftism and Islam is, and so are the red-green coalitions emerging in the West.

As always, the Jews are the canaries. The rest of us will feel the effects soon enough. The Rotherham girls were only the first to get screwed.

But Jewish libs can also perform a useful service, if they have the guts: to stand up agains the insidious evil. Some Labour Party members have done that, Rahm is doing it. We will see if they have any backbone.

So, Rahm, what do your comrades have to do to make you change sides? Or do they have you chained to the cause?

FIDO said...

It is about her.

Pelosi wishes to change the subject

Michael K said...


I've never understood how the majority of secular jews, most of them left-wing, will tolerant and even condone anti-semitism.


They are secular and do not see themselves as Jews. In 1930s Germany there was no more secular and Germanophile segment of society than Jews. Many were Protestant or Catholic and many did not even realize they had Jewish ancestors. Many had been German officers in WWI. It did not save them.

Neo even has a post on it.

Bay Area Guy said...

@Maybee,

"Wow. Jews with Ilhan dot org. I bet they've been around a long time, and we should listen to them"

Heh - it reminds me of this weird cult in college, who used to pass out flyers on campus, "Jews for Jesus."

Rick said...

Inga...Allie Oop said... [hush]​[hide comment]
Jewish American Democrat’s are intelligent enough to see what is happening here. It’s not even about her anti Semitic comments, it’s about silencing those you disagree with. Free speech and American values are more important than anyone’s hurt feelings.


According to Inga criticizing people violates their free speech. It just doesn't get any stupider than this.

MayBee said...

Hahahahah! Yes! Democrats don't listen at all to Tom Steyer, except for the Jewishness. Why, Hillary Clinton only took Steyer's call because he's jewish.


Get out of here with this.

James K said...

Do those idiots in Jews With Ilhan even realize that AIPAC does not donate to political candidates? They do not endorse candidates. They also don't take sides on Israeli politics. Sure they are influential, but they are an advocacy group. Saying AIPAC "spends millions each year to buy U.S. political support for Israeli aggression and militarism against the Palestinian people" is, to put it mildly, misleading.

Bay Area Guy said...

The Dems in Congress have gone full Omar.

Never go full Omar.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“According to Inga criticizing people violates their free speech. It just doesn't get any stupider than this.”

A gross mischaracterization of my comment. Are you trying to compete with Drago?

Lydia said...

Eli Lake talking to a member of J Street gets right to the point here:

Disagreement over Israel policy is fine, but only one side of the debate at this point is questioning the loyalty of Americans who support Israel and that's not the right at the moment that is the left. So let's talk about what's going on. Nobody is saying that you're anti-Semitic because you're critical of Benjamin Netanyahu. I wrote a very critical column of Benjamin Netanyahu last week and nobody came out and said I was anti-Semitic. This is because there are plenty of ways you can criticize Israel but to question the loyalty of Israel's American supporters is a red line that this congresswoman has crossed and it should be renounced.

MayBee said...

Come on, Inga. I don't believe for a minute you don't see the different.

I mean, you could say......criticizing Trump is anti-Germanism. Or Anti-American. You don'l like his politics, so it's anti-whatever he is to say it. That doesn't work. Steyer and Soros have spent a lot of money tyring to get Democratic politicians elected. It has nothing to do with their religion.

I know you see the difference I know you do.

Big Mike said...

The notion that you "either stand with Israel or you don't" is an obnoxious purity test that reduces complex questions to a foolish Manichean construction.

Nothing complex about it. Nothing foolish about it, either, other than the person who made that comment upthread. Yes or no. Even or odd. Heads or tails. It's as binary a decision as you can get.

FIDO said...

Since we are all tribal now, I don't care. All I have to say is that Republicans don't let Muslims act on their violent impulses. Democrat impulse control is woefully and demonstrably spotty

Bay Area Guy said...

Somebody should ask Representative Omar (D-Minn) whether she thinks 9/11 was an inside job.

The correct answer would be "No."

She might be rattled enough to take the bait....

MayBee said...

She's Muslim, and you expect her to hate Jews. Period. You don't think she's capable of better. Because you are racist. That's it. Ta-da.

readering said...

Ok House votes to condemn anti-semitism. Next.

traditionalguy said...

There is no argument, only picking of a side or sitting on the fence, because hunting and killing Jews is the command of Allah in the Koran to all Muslims.Then they must wipe out the Christian sect of the Jews. Put your money down on the winner. But keep your powder dry.

J. Farmer said...

@Big Mike:

Nothing complex about it. Nothing foolish about it, either, other than the person who made that comment upthread. Yes or no. Even or odd. Heads or tails. It's as binary a decision as you can get.

What does it even mean to "stand with Israel?" Does that obligate us to do whatever Israel wants? Israel would prefer the US provide garrison troops in Syria. Does opposing that mean one is failing to stand with Israel? Not so binary. If it is really true that you either stand with Israel or you don't, then why do we even bother having an Israeli policy? Why don't we just ask the Israelis to tell us what our policy should be?

Matt Sablan said...

So #AllLivesMatter

Rick said...

A gross mischaracterization of my comment.

It's an exact summary of your comment. If your comments are so stupid your only defense is to pretend you didn't make them the time to reconsider is before you post.

Oh wait - I'm denying your free speech!

What an idiot.

Hagar said...

"You either stand with Israel or you don't" is the Jewish version of Somali tribalism.

rcocean said...

This just in: Congress has voted to condemn all forms of hate. Later, Congress will vote to change its name to the "Love Boat".

Unknown said...

Inga's just in here, defending Omar with all her little anti-Jewish might.

Here's a real quick question, Inga: Do you or do you not support the idea that Jews should be killed, like Omar does (as it is part of her religion)? Do you or do you not support Islam over the people of the Lord? And do you think that asking questions like this is "Islamaphobia?" Do you agree or not that Islam hates the Jews as a matter of religious belief, and that Orthodox Islam wants to kill the Jews at some point, although not necessarily now?

Do you support the goal of Hamas and the Palestinians, which is to erase Israel from the map and to murder all the Jews that live there? Is opposing this goal of Hamas and Palestine Islamaphobia? Should people be allowed to criticize and stand with Israel or is that bad?

Your answers are appreciated, please. Because this thread shows you fully defending Omar and her toxic hatred of Jews. Do you support her in that stance?

--Vance

buwaya said...

"although I think the money-advantage trope is overstating things"

Its not. Money matters.
Its how the Democrats turned out the vote in 2018 of course, but -
Its also the financing of the vast range of political institutions and organizations that effectively provide a host of people as permanent campaign staff on retainer.
And then there is the very expensive MSM with its constant messaging.
And beyond that, as you note, its how you influence people in government, through control of rewards (jobs and money) and sanctions (no careers, no money). This works on politicians, bureaucrats, and the private sector.

Campaign funding is just the tip of the iceberg.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“This is because there are plenty of ways you can criticize Israel but to question the loyalty of Israel's American supporters is a red line that this congresswoman has crossed and it should be renounced.”

Indeed. Strangely, on another thread Meade accused his fellow Americans of not being “American” because they may refer to themselves as “something” American. Is one not an American unless they claim to support ONLY America? My daughter calls herself Jewish American, in Meade’s eyes, she’s not his fellow American. Just because one supports another country or is proud of their heritage does NOT make them less American.

Big Mike said...

@Farmer, Israel has been facing existential threats for seventy years. It means we stay the fuck out of their way when they do what they need to do to survive.

effinayright said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
“This is because there are plenty of ways you can criticize Israel but to question the loyalty of Israel's American supporters is a red line that this congresswoman has crossed and it should be renounced.”

Indeed. Strangely, on another thread Meade accused his fellow Americans of not being “American” because they may refer to themselves as “something” American. Is one not an American in some unless they claim to support ONLY America? My daughter calls herself Jewish American, in Meade’s eyes, she’s not his fellow American. Just because one supports another country or is proud of their heritage does NOT make them less American.
**************

Oh fer fuck's sake: supporting another country is not the same as allegedly having dual/conflicted loyalties toward it and the US.

It's no different than when Al Smith, and JFK after him, were accused of having dual/conflicted loyalties to the Vatican and the US because they were Roman Catholic.

It was a canard then, and it's a canard now.

rcocean said...

I just want to say that the Holocaust was very bad. And I'm 110% against Hitler.
And I'm against "Hate".

Thank you. Please Hold the applause.

Fernandinande said...

Rotherham was a result of political correctness taken to its absurd degree.

The English white supremacists didn't want make the muslim rapists look bad, or cause the muslim rapists any trouble, and were afraid of being accused of being mean to muslim rapists.

Isn't that a working definition of a "white supremacist"?

Amber Rudd apologises after calling Diane Abbott a 'coloured woman'"

Diane Abbott is an uncoloured woman, or a "POUC", obviously as white as the driven snow.

rcocean said...

Is there anything braver than being against Antisemitism? I just read in the New York Times, that the KKK and American-German Bund are on the march.

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