Said Nancy Pelosi, quoted in
"Pelosi Says House Will Condemn All Hate as Anti-Semitism Debate Overshadows Congress" (NYT).
She took a shot at President Trump and his equivocal statements after the deadly white supremacist march in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017: “The president may think there are good people on both sides, we don’t share that view.”
Democrats are confident that they can unite the caucus, and they want to get the fight over [Ilhan] Omar out of the way.... Ms. Omar, a Minnesota Democrat and one of the first two Muslim women elected to Congress, has been fending off accusations of anti-Semitism for weeks...
“It’s not about her, it’s about these forms of hatred,” Ms. Pelosi said about the resolution. Tensions boiled over in a closed-door meeting of House Democrats on Wednesday that pitted older Jewish Democrats who want a forthright statement condemning anti-Semitism against younger liberals....
For another perspective, here's
"The Democratic Inquisition has come after Ilhan Omar/But strong popular resistance is foiling attempts to burn her at the political stake" by Richard Silverstein (Al Jazeera):
Stuck in its old ways and almost taking dictation from the Israel lobby, the Democratic congressional leadership decided to make an example of Omar by preparing a resolution denouncing anti-Semitism and by implication, her. This is the Democratic Party eating its young....
Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Bernie Sanders have criticised the vicious campaign against Omar; other progressive members of Congress have also expressed their support for her. The New York Times, in a sympathetic report, noted the generational split between a younger generation of insurgents like Omar and older, veteran colleagues who started their political careers at a time when AIPAC held absolute control over these issues....
Today there is a countervailing force of progressive Democrats, Jews and non-Jews, who no longer take marching orders from the white, male, plutocrats of the Israel lobby. They have become strong enough not only to bring the likes of Omar to Congress but also to keep them there and grow their numbers.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 498 of 498Farmer, Don't be dense. Democratic leaders ceded authority to the mob today. The point of today's resolution was to support Omar and avoid accountability for her anti-Semitic rants. Omar won because Democrats who should know better cowered. Omar and her lunatic supporters are in charge. AOC already sent a fundraiser warning the Israeli lobby and their dirty money are targeting her. They can't help themselves, though I doubt they have any comprehension of the historical forces they are playing with.
"Does that give the Gazans right to attack Israelis has legitimate combatants in an act of war?"
Gaza is currently governed by Hamas.
"The short term goal of Hamas was to liberate Palestine, including modern-day Israel, from Israeli occupation. The long-term aim sought to establish an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea."
So I'll ask you to rephrase the question.
@Birkel:
J Farmer loves his fairy tales.
Let's skip over the massed forces of multiple countries.
Plans for attack were being discussed by the cabinet in the Knesset weeks before either Nasser's troop movements or the closing of Strait of Tiran. If you want to be so opinionated on the subject, you should at least pay it the courtesy of trying to know something about it rather than rely on tired sound bytes you seem to have memorized yuears ago. Israel's primary concern at this time was an attack on Syria and Jordan. But it feared that such an attack might draw in the Egyptians. Nasser had previously been criticized for failing to aid Jordanians and Syrians. Read Moshe Dayan on the issue of Israeli-Syrian border clashes.
One reason may have been popular disbelief that there had been premeditated collusion before the invasion. For many years after 1956, the British, French, and Israeli governments vehemently denied that they had collaborated in planning the invasion. The Israelis steadfastly claimed that they had launched their attack to preempt an imminent and overwhelming attack from Egypt. The fact that there had been a great deal of tension between Britain and the Israelis while the Suez invasion was in progress made these denials plausible.
For his part, Nasser, although he privately gave Eisenhower credit for forcing the British, French, and Israelis to withdraw, failed to capitalize on the potential US public relations windfall that the situation had given him. Worse, his silence allowed Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev to claim credit for Eisenhower’s accomplishment, in the process creating an impression that the USSR had a much closer relationship with Nasser than it really had.
-- https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol51no2/the-art-of-strategic-counterintelligence.html
@Big Mike:
A small, highly inbred coterie of historians (in the sense of sharing talking points among themselves and shunning those who challenge the politically correct view) agree that something is well known when it is nothing of the sort
I must admit, I am amused at how critical you are of historical research you seemingly know nothing about. Michael Oren's Six Days of War was a huge commercial success and spent weeks at #1 on the New York Time's best sellers' list. He is not a highly inbred coterie of historians but rather a very prominent Israeli figure who published a book highly favorable to the Israeli side.
I have a "man in the street's" knowledge of what was going on at the time. I am not interested in second guessing from fifty years later
Right. Who needs archival documents and interviews with the actual participants. You once heard something on the evening news half a century ago. And as everyone knows, nothing new about an historical event ever comes out after it happened. You're a a bad joke.
Israel was justified in what it did and King Hussein was stupid. Jordan paid the price. Too. Bad.
Just keeping repeating your mantra with your hands clasped over your hears. praying no empirical knowledge enters to challenge your theological certitudes about an event whose basic facts you are almost wholly ignorant of.
@Birkel:
How racist was Woody Woo, J Farmer?
Who gives a fuck? 2+2 still equals 4 even if a racist says it.
Sure, the amassing of those forces must be ignored.
That seems prudent.
How racist was Woody Woo?
Sure, I should accept the relative value of two opinions of truth as equal.
And here are the words that make the difference:
All things equal.
As soon as I realize those things are unequal I must be more discriminating against the one with known bias.
To dootherwise is to ignore reality.
You are bad at logic, J Farmer.
I could argue that America started the war with Japan and that the attack on Pearl Harbor was just a pre-emptive counter in response to the American blockade of Japan.
Would such an argument seem disingenuous?
Why was there a blockade? Because of the rape of Nanking?
You pretend at equivalence to feed your preferred opinion.
It makes you susceptible to trickery.
Trying to help Muslims and Jews to get along seems a low priority for the US government.
@Birkel:
Sure, the amassing of those forces must be ignored.
Plans for the war had been away for weeks before the troop movements even began. As I have said repeatedly, and as you have steadfastly ignored (since you're almost totally ignorant on the subject) is that Israel's war aim, well documented in Israeli sources, was to prevent the Egyptians from interfering with a planned attack on Syria. It was not to prevent an imminent Egyptian attack. Your free to repeat that fiction as much as you like, it won't make it anymore true.
You are bad at logic, J Farmer.
But using guilt by association to accuse someone you disagree with (without having ever considered a word they've written) of racism is the epitome of sound logic. You're wading into joke territory here, Birkel.
"I am amused at how critical you are of historical research you seemingly know nothing about."
Years of laughable UN Resolutions targeting Israel, along with anti-isreali propaganda from American intellectuals, where anti-Semitism has become fashionable... has taught me to be cynical of anything critical of Israel.
It's the same effect we see with the hysterical attacks on Trump - the haters have immunized him from legitimate criticism.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to fisk every historical tome on the 6 Day War. The ones that blame Israel I regard the same way I regarded Althouse's "obvious" link about battery capacity for windpower - I assumed it didn't support her position and that it was a biased pro-wind source, and I didn't bother to check. Laslo did, and confirmed my suspicions.
I know that's frustrating, but there it is.
There is so much anti-Israel drek infesting intellectual circles these days that I reflexively discount any criticism of Israel by the "experts".
Can you really blame me?
Why were all the forces so easy to destroy?
Why were the opposing forces gathered so tightly?
Yeah, it's me ignoring reality.
@Fen:
I could argue that America started the war with Japan and that the attack on Pearl Harbor was just a pre-emptive counter in response to the American blockade of Japan.
Certainly if you're going to support the kind of preemption deployed by Israel in the six day war, I don't see how you could avoid supporting Japanese preemption on the basis of its own self-defined security interests. No, I don't believe the "Roosevelt forced Japan to attack as a pretext" argument, but America did take a number of foolish blunders that did increase the likelihood that Japan would resort to a military solution. The most consequential was probably to force the British to abrogate the Anglo-Japanese Alliance in 1923.
Plans for attacking prepared in advance?
The War College has lots of 'splaining to do.
I'd bet we have plans to attack Canada.
And French ballistic sites.
@Birkel:
Why were all the forces so easy to destroy?
Why were the opposing forces gathered so tightly?
The forces that were destroyed were primarily aircraft. Are you honestly asking me why aircraft were "gathered so tightly." Israel's initial airstrikes on the first day were aimed at Egypt's air force, not troop deployments. The Israelis had been preparing for the attack for sometime and had already achieved the ability to fly as many as four sorties every day. Israel was already widely recognized by 1967 as the dominant military power in the region, and Israeli intelligence had correctly predicted that they could achieve their stated aims within a matter of days.
@Birkel:
Plans for attacking prepared in advance?
The War College has lots of 'splaining to do.
Not merely plans but preparations. The attack was discussed in early May 1967 before any Egyptian troop movements or the closing of the Straits of Tiran. Stop being so purposely obtuse. It's tiring.
Yes, larger and more formidable opponents are treated differently under the reasonableness doctrine.
Israeli was small and relatively weak (45 years ago).
American in 1941 =/= Israel in 1967
Imagine the ignorance required to trivialize the relative positions.
Or the malice.
Plans in advance of your admitted Egyptian troop movements!
And you?
An apologist?
@Fen:
There is so much anti-Israel drek infesting intellectual circles these days that I reflexively discount any criticism of Israel by the "experts".
Can you really blame me?
Yes, actually, I can. There is a huge documentary record from various sides available, and many good and fair minded books have been written on the topic. You don't need to rely on "UN resolutions" or "American intellectuals." Both books I have talked about here are by Israeli historians and commentators. And if you don't want that, there are huge archives of the primary documentary evidence available online.
The way to judge a piece of work is by the weight of its evidence and the strength of its argument, not on its conclusions. Rejecting any work out of hand that is critical of Israel is not a good recipe for being informed on the subject.
Wait, so I should pity the side that wanted to win but couldn't?
Come to my house and fist fight me.
Same sympathy.
Leftist Israelis hired by Leftist Woody Woo Center...
Totes trustworthy, conservative J Farmer.
@Birkel:
Plans in advance of your admitted Egyptian troop movements!
And you?
An apologist?
When you actually possess more than a thimble full of historical knowledge about the subject and stop relying on the same stale, cliche talk radio/cable news sound bytes you've been relying on, then we can discuss the issue intelligently. Until then, you are free to continue pulling things out of your ass to your heart's content. You can't cite any actual sources for your belief, but you believe it nonetheless because it's what you want to believe. And believing something for no other reason than wanting to believe it is about the most pathetic reason for believing something I can think of.
J Farmer,
I relied on you and your "troop movements" comment.
Be more precise or kindly go to hell.
Your choice.
You @ 10:30 PM by Althouse's clock.
J Farmer, were you not the legitimate author of that comment?
If you think Israel in 1967 wasn't fighting for it's life, I suggest you look at a map. It's about 9 miles from Netanya to the former (1967) west bank border of Jordan. A Jordanian army could cut Israel in two in minutes. Only a fool would believe otherwise.
@Farmer, most modern historical research is bogus. People make decisions at the time based on what they see in front of them at the time. I do not regard you as arguing from an honest perspective. You are at best anti-Zionist, but more likely anti-Semitic.
As to your assertion that the Knesset was making war plans in advance of the Six Day War. Big. Yawn. Every country works up contingency plans for all sorts of contingencies. I imagine that somewhere in an old filing cabinet in the Pentagon is a war plan for what to do if Canada tries to annex Vermont. So what?
@Birkel:
Wait, so I should pity the side that wanted to win but couldn't?
What are you some kind of girl? What do I give a shit who you pity or not?
Come to my house and fist fight me.
I tried to arrange that once before, and you pussied out. Remember?
Same sympathy.
A better analogy of the Israeli situation would be if I showed up to your house in the early hours of the morning, kicked your door in, shot you in the head, and then said I was acting in self-defense because I was worried you might leave your house one day in the indeterminate future and attack me. Your family would totally buy that justification, right?
No, I do not remember that.
If you want a go, we can meet at your local gym.
Happy to join you.
Good luck.
Oh, and as I said above:
Mass on my porch with weapons with your friends.
Any time.
We won't have any more arguments.
@Big Mike:
@Farmer, most modern historical research is bogus.
But catching a few minutes on a segment of the nightly news that you claim to remember from 52 years ago is more than enough to have a valid opinion on the matter? Please stop embarrassing yourself.
I do not regard you as arguing from an honest perspective. You are at best anti-Zionist, but more likely anti-Semitic.
This old canard? How about telling me what information I got wrong or why my arguments is false or illogical? Apparently you can't, so instead you rely on some supposed divination of my motives for why my arguments can't be trusted. If I said that Germany bore primary responsibility for the cause of WWI, and someone said, "I do not regard you as arguing from an honest perpective. You are at best anti-German," would you consider that a very useful critique? As best I can tell, the only basis you have for not considering my perspective "honest" is that it disagrees with your own.
As to your assertion that the Knesset was making war plans in advance of the Six Day War. Big. Yawn. Every country works up contingency plans for all sorts of contingencies. I imagine that somewhere in an old filing cabinet in the Pentagon is a war plan for what to do if Canada tries to annex Vermont. So what?
These were not merely war plans that some strategist cooked up at a military academy in the past and stuck in a filing cabinet. Active plans were being engaged to launch a military campaign. The civilian leadership was a bit nervous, the military was encouraged, and the only big debate was over when it should be launched.
Imagine active planning against current aggressors.
Heaven forfend!
“The president may think there are good people on both sides, we don’t share that view.”
It is astonishing that the Speaker of the House believes that there are a significant number of law-abiding, tax-paying Americans who, based solely on their political beliefs, are "not good people."
The embrace of hatred as a motivating force for the democrat base has now been officially endorsed by the Democrats at the highest levels.
@Birkel:
Imagine active planning against current aggressors.
Heaven forfend!
Whatever ahistorical delusions you need to feed yourself to keep your small mind chugging along is a-okay with me, Birks. I am happy to bring this yet again fruitless interchange to a close.
Yeah, guy.
It is my inability to understand.
Your gym address must not appear on GPS directions.
@Birkel:
It is my inability to understand.
It's not your inability to understand, it's your total lack of knowledge. But as is well known, not knowing anything about a subject has never impeded you from having a strong opinion. Must've been that grit you learned eating government cheese and wondering who daddy was.
In response to anti-Semitic comments by a freshman house member, the Democrats authorize a resolution condemning the right for its anti-Semitism.
Got it. No need to say more, is there?
No, you shitty individual, I know who my dad is.
But your inability to answer my queries is telling.
Why were all those weapons in one place?
I was poor and grew up rough as hell.
I was not a bastard.
I'd place money at 2 to 1 that my baby sister could beat you down.
@Birkel:
Why were all those weapons in one place?
Hmm...why were Egyptian aircraft parked in Egyptian air fields? Let me think. The answer must be there somewhere. Oh, I know, ask your daddy.
I was not a bastard.
Good for you. I'll put a gold star next to your name.
Well, we got that settled. I'm standing with Israel. Omar can do whatever she wants.
Pelosi has the same problem with her caucus that Boehner had with his conference.
The support of the US Jewish community should be up for grabs, but I don't think that will happen.
Yeah, there you go.
Equate poor with infidelity and bastards.
That's a great way to win.
Now explain why those weapons were massed at the border.
Full contact gym is named what?
@Birkel:
Now explain why those weapons were massed at the border.
Those weapons were not "massed at the border." That's just something you pulled out of your ass again.
Uh huh.
Neat-O.
@Birkel:
Uh huh.
Neat-O.
Yep. Spend some time becoming minimally familiar with the basic facts, and then you might have an opinion on the subject worth listening to. Until then, let's bring this to a close. Goodnight, sweet dreams, and godspeed. Hugs and kisses, Birkel.
Well, we might if you knew fuck-all.
Not much hope.
What was that gymnasium address?
Target maps?
What are they?
@Birkel:
Well, we might if you knew fuck-all.
Not much hope.
Apparently I know significantly more about the topic than you. You haven't been able to contradict a single fact I've stated.
And there is one thing I do know with certainty: don't crap out kids you can't take care of and then expect the taxpayers to clean up your mess. But in mommy and daddy's defense, they probably were expecting you to end up as a brown stain on the mattress.
Bless your hateful heart.
I dispute the centralization of Egyptian targets, which signal an attack.
Your devolution to personal attack is noted.
How embarrassing for you, logic man.
@Birkel:
There is no point in trying to have a conversation with an attention-seeking prick who refuses to argue in good faith, is purposely obtuse, and is not even minimally familiar with the subject at hand. I have made my case, I have made it over and over again, and you have not refuted a single point I've made. I'm more than happy ending it here and letting the record speak for itself. So now please fuck off. Thank you.
The Jews have been around for 3,000+ years.
They are the only tribe, or nation, or civilization, or whatever you want to call it, that has been around for 3,000 years. The ancient Egyptians, the Minoans, the Attic Greeks, the Hittites, the Sumerians, even the roman -- all gone.
1939-1945 the most militarily powerful nation on the earth tried to wipe out the relatively small number of Jews in all of the world. They couldn't do it, and were wiped out instead.
I think I'll stick with the Jews.
Dems should call this
THE JUSSIE SMOLLET ACT
as its conflated with so much hoax hate...
Somali invader brings the shithole with her
Caught building up her anti-joo case to CAIR (Muslim Brotherhood) delight
Dems make a bill against white supremacy...
PERFECT!
If Dems condemn "Islamophobia"
Does that mean they back everything Islam stands for?
Dems and Muslims both hate Christians (latest excuse is that Christians are "anti-trans") - they have that in common...
Imagine if Trump spewed this "Joo Bankers control the world" nonsense
Dems could not pass a bill fast enough
"Joo Bankers control the world" nonsense.
Jew... White privilege.
Diversity.
Planned/Clinical cannibalism.
Selective-Jew... child.
Inspired by Nazism, Maoism, Stalinism, and a vast array of left-wing philosophies. Here's to [unqualified] progress.
I must admit, this thread certainly flushed out some thoughts some people might now want to admit in public.
Then again, maybe they would.
Maybe the House could run another worthless resolution and pop up an on-line poll.
"might NOT want to admit in public."
I officially announce myself as Scottish-American.
She is gonna do it again soon
and never stop
Her madrassa training demands it
If only she felt safe to share all she really believes with us
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@Farmer, OTOH I am not amused at you at all. The history of the Six Day War is not the only history that has happened in the world. When I look at modern historical research in areas tha I do know, and see exactly the opposite conclusions reached, I drill down to see what I missed. So far it is what the modern historians missed, chiefly by starting from a position and ignoring or downplaying facts not congenial to their hypothesis and cherry-picking face that are. Why should I believe you aren’t doing the same? On other topics in long ago threads I have seen you play this game, cherry-picking facts to fit your contrarian hypothesis, but on the topic of the Six Day War you are suddenly honest? Uh huh. Suuuuurrrrre.
Blogger Birkel said...
Let's skip over the massed forces of multiple countries.
Frankly, if a million armed Canadians massed on the US border, I would expect 20 million US citizens to amass in defense.
If a million armed Canadians massed on the US border, would we even notice?
BAG,
"on this issue, I'm not a big fan of the UN "
And there are issues where you are??? Peacekeeping in the Balkans, maybe? Or in Congo/Rwanda?
If it weren't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.
Oso Negro,
We might not notice a million Canadians but I hypothesize we would notice they were armed. That's not an overly common thing in Canada, I expect.
J Farmer,
You pretend to be a clear thinking conservative. But you've uncritically adopted the thinking of Leftists. You're a confused ball of smug.
As for refuting anything you allege, I know that will never be possible in your mind. You are impervious to contrary thought. Your smug creates an impenetrable defense. If only the Egyptians had your defenses, their massed machinery might have survived.
CT said - worth repeating
Farmer, Don't be dense. Democratic leaders ceded authority to the mob today. The point of today's resolution was to support Omar and avoid accountability for her anti-Semitic rants. Omar won because Democrats who should know better cowered. Omar and her lunatic supporters are in charge. AOC already sent a fundraiser warning the Israeli lobby and their dirty money are targeting her. They can't help themselves, though I doubt they have any comprehension of the historical forces they are playing with.
Just to reiterate:
"So just to be clear: A Somali-American Democrat engages in repeated anti-Semitism, and Democrats pass a resolution that condemns "white supremacists"
Why is it that people would rather re-fight the Six Day War than pay attention to what is on the end of the fork?
"Rejecting any work out of hand that is critical of Israel is not a good recipe for being informed on the subject."
Many people don't want to be informed about a subject if it will undo their preexisting beliefs and show them to have been wrong.
Who wants to bet Omar is a Holocaust denier.
Someone at CNn should ask her.
I'm dismayed only 23 Republicans voted against this charade.
The rest were too cowardly to be seen as "voting against hate".
Paco Wove:
I was trying to get to the truth.
I agree with Robert Cook.
Now let's talk about how socialism kills people, reduces freedom, makes average people poorer, and leaves those in power richer than Croesus.
@Birkel:
As for refuting anything you allege, I know that will never be possible in your mind. You are impervious to contrary thought. Your smug creates an impenetrable defense. If only the Egyptians had your defenses, their massed machinery might have survived.
No, you can't because you are uninformed on the topic. If by smug you mean knows more than you, then I am guilty as charged.
Is this a thread where we can talk about AOC's political party, Democratic Socialists of America, chanting about the state of Israel being removed from the maps? Chanting in favor of genocide, I suppose.
"From the ocean to the sea, Palestine will be free."
That was the exact phrasing. There is video.
sarc
Trump is responsible, I just know it.
/sarc
@Big Mike:
Why should I believe you aren’t doing the same?
I never asked you to believe me. I suggested books and gave you two links to online archives of the documentary evidence. Go read and reach your own conclusions. But you're not claiming to be agnostic on these historical questions. You apparently have strong opinions on the Six Day War despite the fact that you're almost wholly ignorant of the issues at hand. You're criticizing historical research you know nothing about and tying yourself into a ball of incoherence in the process.
If I wanted to be lectured about what Leftist professors believe, I could take literally 95% of liberal arts college courses. Appeals to those authorities as you please. After all, it gives you the answer(s) you prefer.
“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.” ― Ronald Reagan
And you following where they want you to go. Because you want it too.
Paco Wove:
Why is it that people would rather re-fight the Six Day War than pay attention to what is on the end of the fork?
A honest assessment of the origins and causes of the Six Day War are far more consequential than some junior congresswoman's dumb tweet. I think all this brouhaha about "hate" is dumb kabuki theater. And I thought the exact same thing when they were going after Steve King for "white supremacy."
@Birkel:
If I wanted to be lectured about what Leftist professors believe, I could take literally 95% of liberal arts college courses. Appeals to those authorities as you please. After all, it gives you the answer(s) you prefer.
Michael Oren is not a "leftist professor," and I provided lengths to the documentary evidence. But again, never let being complete ignorant of something stop you from having a strong opinion about it.
p.s. You shouldn't be so down on leftists considering it was their social welfare policies that put food in you and your irresponsible parents' mouths. Where would you be if the left had not been there to subsidize your parents' irresponsible sexual behavior?
Irresponsible? You know so precious little. Yet, you do amuse me.
@Birkel:
Irresponsible? You know so precious little. Yet, you do amuse me.
Right. Shitting out a kid and then asking the taxpayers to feed him is the height of responsibility.
Populist and socially liberal party in the Knesset?
Yeah, that professor guy who won a LA Times history award is loaded with conservative bona fides.
I hear it's all the rage for the LAT to reward conservative writers.
And then have Harvard and Princeton hire them.
About those massed machines, do tell.
You do enjoy your insults.
I see how charitable you are.
@Birkel:
About those massed machines, do tell.
There weren't any massed machines you fucking moron. Go get some facts and then maybe you'll have an opinion worth considering.
You do enjoy your insults.
I see how charitable you are.
Considering that my family worked and paid the taxes that put food in your mouth because your daddy forgot to pull out, perhaps you should just say "thank you" and be on your way.
Petty and vicious.
You're a bit see-through for all your blather.
I do enjoy the careful construction you maintain.
Embrace your hatred.
@Birkel:
Embrace your hatred.
Oh, Birkel, I don't hate you. I pity you.
No need.
My life is excellent.
I want for little.
J. Farmer knows what J.Farmer knows. He tells me, huffly, "That is a completely warped understanding of the Six Day War and the issues that were at stake in that conflict. At no time was there an intent, explicit or otherwise, of "wiping out the Israeli state and its Jews."
Well, let's see. From CAMERA http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/threats.asp
"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." – Nasser, May 27, 1967
Cairo Radio Statements:
May 19, 1967: "This is our chance Arabs, to deal Israel a mortal blow of annihilation, to blot out its entire presence in our holy land"
May 22, 1967: "The Arab people is firmly resolved to wipe Israel off the map"
"We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants and as for the survivors – if there are any – the boats are ready to deport them." – Shukairy, June 1, 1967, speaking at a Friday sermon in Jerusalem
Substance is nice but won't move the needle.
No reason to beat one's head against a wall.
I go a different route.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
“Genetic Jewish ancestry" simply is a way of saying that someone who may or may not be Jewish has had some actual Jews among their ancestors. It doesn't make them Jewish, any more than someone who has had some coal miners among their ancestors makes them a coal miner. Get a grip.”
I’m sorry you don’t understand science or genetics. Inheriting black lung is impossible, inheriting Tay Sachs isn’t.
3/7/19, 8:24 PM
Inga, shayna punim, you are purely sandpaper tonight, on raw nerves whose feelings you, frankly, do not feel.
Every Jew, half-Jew, 1/32-Jew, religious Jew, nonreligious Jew, secular Jew, atheist Jew, Vienna Jew, Berlin Jew, Londin Jew, understands this much better than you.
Unless they see fit to lie to you, e.g., you are about to wish them into the cornfield, they all will agree that Judaism is by matrilineal descent at birth, or by covenant after birth. None of us is having Jewish children except by a woman who is Jewish.
You literally don't understand. But an interesting parallel is how the Cherokee Nation, finally, made it clear that even the esteemed Elizabeth Warren would have to shut up and go away from them at least.
What you really need to understand that this is a problem for "you," inasmuch as "you" identifies "Left" or Democrat" or "Mary Sue Policy Generator and NPC Virtue Threader." I.e., "you" will lose political and social power, which you crave beyond, and associate with, every other value. My sincere advice to you which I wish you would take even though it's not in my political interest is: Halt maul!
Actual Jews realize or will realize that yes, they mean YOU. That is, you mean US. Pure-blood or mischling, we're all destined to the same boxcars, early train or late train. Or our children's children.
What it is is, if you keep talking like this is not a thing, more Jews are going to hear you. Your current and future voters, campaign volunteers, donors are going to hear you. Eventually Haim Saban is going to hear you. Tom Steyer I suppose will never hear you. There are always rats, aren't there? But I know people who are hearing you. To them, it's a problem.
Jews are nothing if not effective problem solvers.
How would Jews solve this problem?
I gitta go,friend in crisis.
Right. Shitting out a kid and then asking the taxpayers to feed him is the height of responsibility.
More than you're capable of, apparently.
@Jon Burack:
Well, let's see. From CAMERA http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/threats.asp
Yes, Nasser was a blowhard who made threats against. Israel made threats against Egypt and had made neutralizing Nasser a top priority going back to the Suez Crisis of 1956. Yitzhak Rabin had said in 1967, "Our objective is to give Nasser a knockout punch. That, I believe, will change the entire order of the Middle East."
Nasser was selling belligerent talk to a domestic audience because he was coming under a great amount of criticism for being insufficiently supportive of Jordan and Syria and because he was seen as too preoccupied with rapprochement with the West. The Egyptians had absolutely no hope of delivering such a defeat to Israel. Uzi Narkiss referred to the Egyptian forces as a "soap bubble, one pin will burst them."
@Nichevo:
More than you're capable of, apparently.
Uhh...okay?
Apologies for and sympathies for Nasser.
Nothing of the like for Rabin.
Imagine a pattern.
Biases are funny.
As for me and mine, I am going to assume that blustery talk is a possible future and I'm going to fuck you up before you have a chance to get the better of me.
My personal rules for guys I won't mess with (in various degrees, taken as a whole)
1) Did you grow up on a farm?
2) Do you have three or more older brothers?
3) Are you 6'4" or better and 275# or more?
4) How many state championships in individual sports did you win?
5) Are you a current professional athlete?
Basically, if you are a 6'6" 280# lumberjack from a family or 9 who won 3 state wrestling titles and fights for a living, I might not be your huckleberry.
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