February 12, 2019

Whose is bigger? Trump versus O'Rourke.

In El Paso last night, according to The Week:
About 30 minutes into his rally, Trump said he had been challenged by "a young man who's got very little going for himself except he's got a great first name. ... So we have, let's say, 35,000 people tonight, he has 200 people, 300 people — not too good," Trump claimed. "That may be the end of his presidential bid." He said later that 10,000 people were inside the stadium. Donald Trump Jr. also tried to mock Beto's crowd size.

Trump's audience inside the coliseum was 6,500, at capacity, El Paso Fire Department public information officer Enrique Aguilar told the El Paso Times. "It might be 10,000 with the people outside," watching on monitors. The rally O'Rourke spoke at, following a mile-long march, drew at least 7,000 people, The Texas Tribune reports. Bloomberg's Jennifer Epstein says that's an undercount....
El Paso police estimate a crowd of 10,000 to 15,000 for the anti-Trump, anti-wall, pro-O’Rourke march and rally tonight.
Well, so I guess Beto better run.

170 comments:

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

"Estimate"

J. Farmer said...

Ah, that thrilling aspect of American politics where two sides fight over who's got a bigger crowd. Can we just force all the male candidates to submit dick picks and get it over with?

Gilbert Pinfold said...

iI you look at the video shot around the crowd while Beto was jumping up and down delivering word salads, you can see that the crowd on the softball field was 1000, absolute max. You can't put a crowd of the claimed size on a softball field and have that much obvious empty space. So inflate his crowd, push him to run, and he'll be crushed in the general election.
Oh, and as an official in the sport, I weighed him in as a lightweight rower at the Eastern Sprints. He was Robert O'Rourke then, and Robert O'Rourke now.

mccullough said...

Beto trying to step on Trump’s dick.

Trump wants Beto in the race. He’s more interesting than The Senators.

He would likely win by sweeping the White Woman Dem vote. Beto the Boyfriend.

Mike Sylwester said...

How will this whose-is-bigger competition continue if one of the Democrats' girl candidates wins the nomination?

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Bob O'Rourke for Open borders!
Free flow of gangs and drugs! No Sovereign border. Get border jumpers Democrat voter ID, STAT.

Henry said...

Maybe Trump was claiming the anti-Trump crowd as well. Anti-Trump is still about Trump.

Limited blogger said...

Beto couldn't beat Lyin' Ted, hows he gonna beat POTUS?

Kay said...

J. Farmer said...
Ah, that thrilling aspect of American politics where two sides fight over who's got a bigger crowd. Can we just force all the male candidates to submit dick picks and get it over with?
2/12/19, 9:39 AM


We’re getting pretty close to the era in which one way or another all politicians and prospective politicians’ genitals will be available to search and view online.

Amadeus 48 said...

He has a great smile and a wisdom that transcends experience. Beto for America!

Browndog said...

200-300.

There are actual pictures.

Drago said...

Gilbert Pinfold: "If you look at the video shot around the crowd while Beto was jumping up and down delivering word salads, you can see that the crowd on the softball field was 1000, absolute max."

Correct.

Actually reviewing photos from all angles demonstrates that clearly.

However the lefty "journalists" know that their base, like Inga and LLR Chuck, only read headlines and will believe what they are told.

Just like the nationwide lefty attacks on the Covington high schoolers who were set up by lefty activists and lefty/LLR media and threatened with violence and death for them and their families...the lefty liars didnt expect all the other actual video to so completely demolish their lies so quickly.

Cant wait for the lawsuits.

Nonapod said...

Realistically I think Beto missed his chance. At this point I think there's too many women running for a patriarchal penis haver to slip in. The new Dem party is a gynarchy.

bagoh20 said...

"Well, so I guess Beto better run."

Yea, if all the people there illegally can vote.

Henry said...

Actually reviewing photos from all angles demonstrates that clearly.

Everyone's an expert.

The lefty pundits have compromised the El Paso police, too!

Drago said...

Farmer: "Can we just force all the male candidates to submit dick picks and get it over with?"

I would recommend we not do that as someone might be..uh...circumsized..and I have a feeling you might have a very negative reaction to that.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Trump can’t keep his lies straight. “35,000” then slips and tells the truth, “10,000”.

Beto didn’t have to lie or exaggerate crowd size.

Amadeus 48 said...

I got a BuzzFeed story from a friend last night. Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) is thinking of entering the race. America holds its breath...

Drago said...

Henry: "The lefty pundits have compromised the El Paso police, too!"

Are you really arguing that leaders and spokespersons of heavily democratic city police depts that have a mayor publicly attacking Trunp WOULDNT spin the estimates?

Naive much?

Henry said...

I always get a kick out of conspiracy extrapolation.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

My guess would be that "journalists" are lying.

roesch/voltaire said...

Trump lies and exaggerates his size again but then the fire department checks in with the facts--Beto is bigger.

Drago said...

Inga: "Beto didn’t have to lie or exaggerate crowd size."

He knows he has the entirety of the legacy media in his side and they will do the lying for him.
Division of labor.

Dave Begley said...

WaPo and the NYT needed to hire drones to count the Beto crowd.

Drago said...

Henry: "I always get a kick out of conspiracy extrapolation."

Thats good. Categorize spin as a conspiracy.

Nicely done.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Browndog said...

200-300.

There are actual pictures.


Link, please

Amadeus 48 said...

I actually had dinner with a guy last night who thought it was a good use of his time to record and then watch the side-by-side broadcast of Trump and Beto in El Paso. Yeah, that would be interesting...not.

Drago said...

Henry circa 1995: its a conspiracy to conclude the Clinton white house spins the news.

AlbertAnonymous said...

Who fucking cares?

This leftist media’s insistence on “fact spinning” (TM) everything Trump says and does because Orange Man Bad is proving his “fake news” and “enemy of the people” monikers.

James K said...

This all started when the MSM tried to mock the crowd size at Trump's inauguration with pictures from well before the ceremony actually started. Not that anyone would expect a town with 98 percent Democrats would turn out for a Republican as they would for the Lightbringer (tm).

mccullough said...

A Trump-Beto matchup is what the US wants. Would be great entertainment. Trump knows it most. I think he’d enjoy losing to Beto.

Amadeus 48 said...

Yeah Beto is right there. How much did he defeat Cruz by? He must have stepped on him.

Wince said...

"Bad Optics"?

Whose idea was it to have O'Rourke deliver his speech in front of a tall chain link fence as a backdrop?

Commenters, please link some of those crowd photos being talked about above.

Nonapod said...

With all the people "thinking about running" at some point it might be easier to list the people who aren't thinking about running. Even if a campaign is clearly doomed from the jump I assume that part of the motivation probably has to do with all the money that can potentially be fleeced from gullible Dem donors. All that money that can be used for.... expenditures.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

I would recommend we not do that as someone might be..uh...circumsized..and I have a feeling you might have a very negative reaction to that.

Oh Drago, once again brandishing his perfect social justice warrior credentials. Of course, I've been up close and personal with a circumsized penis my entire life. Of course, I oppose routine circumcision of male children. The US is the only western country where it is widely practices, and we owe that mainly to Dr. Kellogg (of the corn flakes) and his rabid anti-masturbation agenda.

Drago said...

I was thinking yesterday that all of AOC's political and media pals were covering for her ridiculous and insane Green Deal nonsense, but Henry has shown me the error of my ways.

Those AOC fans werent spinning and trying to limit the damage of her insane plan. They just really all believed she was set up by evil republicans.

To think anything else could possibly explain the actions of AOC's pals is to engage in conspiracy thinking.

Thanks Henry!

Drago said...

Whatever you say Farmer...

"From Jerusalem to the sea"....

Amadeus 48 said...

J. Farmer--what are you talking about? Are you headed for that old joke? You know, pleasure for the man? Pleasure for the woman? Correct answer: to keep the hand from slipping off.

Howard said...

Isn't there a pill you people can take to cure your chronically debilitating low self esteem?

Amadeus 48 said...

Latest estimate from the EL Paso police: Beto crowd was over 100,000.

I made that up.

Drago said...

Howard: "Isn't there a pill you people can take to cure your chronically debilitating low self esteem?"

This is an interesting new line of attack. The others clearly arent working out (too much -reality- keeps popping up).

Still, I wonder why you might have thought this would be a successful hook. Or is it just a drowning man will lunge at any potential lifeline?

Chuck said...

6,500 people at the Trump rally, with 10,000 outside.

7,000+ people at the Beto rally, with many more around the scene.

And about 150,000,000 registered voters who think that both are ridiculous, getting far more attention than the two groups deserve, and not getting anything done.

Incidentally; I don't think that this story will be on tonight's Very Special MAGA Edition of Hannity!, so I'll share the link with all of you:

Trump Supporter Attacks BBC Cameraman at El Paso Rally.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Whatever you say Farmer...

"From Jerusalem to the sea"....


That's not my quote, and I've never said it. But please keep attacking straw men; it seems to be the only way you can function in the conversation. Just like a good SJW.

J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

J. Farmer--what are you talking about? Are you headed for that old joke? You know, pleasure for the man? Pleasure for the woman? Correct answer: to keep the hand from slipping off.

Going to have to be a little more specific in the "what are you talking about." Also, I don't know what joke you're referring to, so no it's probably not what I was headed for. Care to share it?

wendybar said...

Here ya go....
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2208054562567353&set=basw.AbqhyH_jEZ3xI3fXVpKsvPRGvhW9tt81ooaWVkvss_ZFmrxmIgIayP3ciHpp97e_Bvr-EftCucaauCOxCCtvBo7ef5EdfKJ1Jt2X0pPrDm1PNOlIvZCB4VxZtkysbaIe4kEmZ3ZAnVP_3-zpfs5rTER0ccJ2nwwjCSBbL7DzSldQ8g.2208054562567353.2088696864541522.10216871548493670.725643094231167.2047665845526299.10218180887058715.2359025644122930.2248139115506522.10218578558563100&type=1&opaqueCursor=AbrjH_8KXfYty0lvjwhm0ZVinymE09qAxM23UBCCFop_5BobyoFs6SIZ5v5O7YSbVePLzymeOKgQQFsvpxFKbCu3jMIQ_DqEAPm_IT3iXXuHDLOg1A2IjMbgP0snSlQXQMEMAObw8ViRHnKdNed4Vs_YXLLvI6PG1vRryQ1DX8FnrHgIwLNd3k8SDF6D3oxqYYGb4RW-CCYlYpG1fub4p0qmTyA0-M0DeyXUV41F8zP-7dqw9ZebR1RAdyz0gb97tOAbOwbuexcf85zBWpEhA68GD4ka4JxXePOujPrI0AUKJV6QkJG-R-5nIoBckA5nr66FwrkVNQU6UT9jSLOiwdQhsDgr5puskm_83y-
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Drago said...

Farmer: "Just like a good SJW."

Yep, the "sjw" thing should work gangbusters. Perhaps improve your messaging coordination with Howard.

I have to believe a SJW-Low Self-esteem ploy could be effective if executed properly.

Still, I sense that another piece is required for ensuring success. I just cant put my finger on it. Ill let you and Howard know if it occurs to me.

In the meantime, good hunting.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Yep, the "sjw" thing should work gangbusters. Perhaps improve your messaging coordination with Howard.

SJW playbook: don't engage on the facts or the merits of the argument just accuse your opponent of operating from some kind of irrational bigotry.

Sound familiar? If the shoe fits.

Amadeus 48 said...

Discretion forbids me from sharing this too graphically, but when I heard it, it was a version of a Polish joke in which various teams of scientists attempted to determine the evolutionary cause of the shape of the male member. After spending millions, the team from the Britain determined that the shape was to benefit and give pleasure to the male. The team from France after spending millions determined it was to give pleasure to the female. The team from Poland spent ten bucks for coffee and determined that it was to keep the hand from slipping off.

Henry said...

I wonder what the El Paso Police Department thinks about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez abd the Green New Deal?

Current press release:

"MALE ARRESTED AFTER STRANGLING FAMILY PETS"

Browndog said...

@ALX on Twitter has all the photos you need.

I can't link them. Don't be lazy. Go look.

Howard said...

Blogger Drago said...

Howard: "Isn't there a pill you people can take to cure your chronically debilitating low self esteem?"

This is an interesting new line of attack.


Exactly my point. I make a joke about you people litigating relative event crowd sizes no one else on the planet cares about and you view it as an attack. I didn't think squids were so thin skinned.

Nonapod said...

wendybar, use html tags to link stupid big URLs like that. Like so

<a href="insanely long ass URL goes here">some text<a>

here's your link

traditionalguy said...

Speaking of crowds, where are Hillary and Obama spending their time these days.

Ralph L said...

The male domestic cat has a barb on his penis that stimulates ovulation in the female, so her second lover (I was going to use a rude alliteration here) may have a better chance at fatherhood.

Mike Sylwester said...
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wendybar said...

Thanks Nonapod!! I am computer illiterate still!!

rehajm said...

There are actual pictures.

Link, please


Yah- where are the pics? I see a couple of videos- one shows only Robert and Annie Leibovitz (she's bad with money) and one video shows what might be a crowd 20-deep, like high school gymnasium sized. If you're gonna brag about your dick you need to back it up. Dick pics or it's tiny.

Mike Sylwester said...

Nonapod at 10:34 AM
"insanely long ass URL goes here">some text

The end should have the character / before the a

Annie C. said...

I was going to read all the comments on this post, but I am just so discouraged, I'm not going to read and just post this.

Lately is seems all the comments turn into Chuck sticking his nose in and being a child, or Drago bringing Chuck up with the "careful, don't want to upset LLR."

I'm just plain tired of it and don't want to read anymore. There was a movie when I was a teenager called "Maybe I'll come home in the spring." That's the way I feel about now. As fascinating as I find all of you, especially Althouse and Meade, the whole Chuck thing is too intrusive.

Browndog said...

Trump Supporter Attacks BBC Cameraman at El Paso Rally.

I can't wait for the media to identify him. Or not. In the same way they have no interest in identifying the med student in the KKK outfit.

Yes, I really want to know who this guy with the sales tag still on his MAGA is.

Nonapod said...

Glad to help, wendybar.

BTW, I just noticed I didn't close the anchor tag properly, it needs a slash. It should be:

<a href="insanely long ass URL goes here">some text</a>

Mike Sylwester said...

Annie C at 10:44 AM
Lately is seems all the comments turn into Chuck sticking his nose in and being a child, or Drago bringing Chuck up with the "careful, don't want to upset LLR."

The solution is delete all of Drago's comments picking on Chuck, but Althouse and Meade won't do it. Maybe Drago contributes a lot of money to the blog.

I like Chuck's comments, and I like Drago's comments except for the picking-on-Chuck parts.

If Chuck leaves the blog, I leave the blog too.

Ralph L said...

I like Drago's comments except for the picking-on-Chuck parts
Not much there to like.
I try to SOB both and a few others.

Drago said...

Howard: "I make a joke about you people litigating relative event crowd sizes no one else on the planet cares about and you view it as an attack."

Relax.

How about "offering" vs "attack"?

Drago said...

Sylvester: "Maybe Drago contributes a lot of money to the blog."

Well thats just great. Thanks for planting that seed.

Drago said...

Thanks to Mike Sylvester's creative noodling, I am going to have to triple-up on the paper route/lawn mowing businesses.

Ralph L said...

I once thought Drago and Chuck were the same person just trying to annoy everyone else. I'm still not sure. SOB means scroll on by.

What did Chuck say to piss off Meade?

Annie C. said...

Nah, I like most of Drago's comments until he starts on Chuck and then Chuck comes in and I'm sorry, but Chuck just pings my creep meter at about eleventy. He gives me the willies.

Howard said...

You got me Drago, the wall cave by Nancy has crushed me and now all I have are personality attacks.

Fernandinande said...

Trump's audience inside the coliseum was 6,500, at capacity, El Paso Fire Department public information officer Enrique Aguilar told the El Paso Times.

El Paso Fire Department public information officer Enrique Aguilar is incorrect: The El Paso County Coliseum holds 11,000 people when they're not using the court, which they weren't.

Howard said...

Chuck is the Meadhouse loss leader they love to hate.

Howard said...

Oh, cool. Trump wins by a foreskin

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“He knows he has the entirety of the legacy media in his side and they will do the lying for him.
Division of labor.”

So the Fire Dept. is part of the legacy media according to Drago.

LOL

Fernandinande said...

Besides, aren't "Fire Department public information officers" supposed to be black women?

rehajm said...

Chuck is the Meadhouse loss leader they love to hate

Heh. Chuck sucks but makes up for it in volume...

Howard said...

Fire departments are unionized and unions are part of the ms(13)m government media complex. You really need to listen more to Dr. Michael Savage, Inga.

Drago said...

Howard: "You got me Drago, the wall cave by Nancy has crushed me and now all I have are personality attacks."

Everyone already knew the dems wouldnt cave.

That's the entire point of the exercise: offer to compromise and give dems what they want in key areas, dems refuse, open the govt to give both sides more time, dems dont budge even though the American people want compromise, etc.

Then: after literally everything else has failed (as predicted), National Emergency time.

This so obvious and transparent I am a little concerned you arent picking up on it.

Meade said...

"Maybe Drago contributes a lot of money to the blog."

No if, buts, or maybes.

Darrell said...

69,000 people signed up to be here. Now the arena holds 8,000. And thank you, fire department. They got in about 10,000. Thank you, fire department. Appreciate it. But if you want to really see something, go outside. Tens of thousands of people are watching screens outside.

247 Beto Babies, a.k.a. Pancho Vanilla's Posse Vomitas.

Beto attached himself to several groups that were holding countermarches/gatherings, including a womens' march

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Howard said...

The Nat'l Emergency card... just as I have forseened

Amadeus 48 said...

I don't know enough about Chuck's background to have an opinion about what he is doing here, but I note the following:
1. I don't know anyone else who thinks the way he does, but we are all unique.
2. His mission here appears to be to disparage Trump at every opportunity and to create opportunities to disparage Trump. Inga does the same thing, but she is very clear about who she is and where she stands.
3. Chuck has many interesting insights in addition to his Trump mania.
4. Once in a while Chuck ticks off Meadhouse sufficiently (probably by trying to hijack the discussion) to get a metaphorical punch in the nose from with Mead or Althouse.
5. Drago has many interesting things to say, but he needs to lay off his Chuck/LLR mania.
6. All this focus on Chuck is tedious. Let him have his say and if you think he is false-flagging, ignore him.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

It is curious that the media are not showing Bob's big crowd.

Drago said...

Inga: "So the Fire Dept. is part of the legacy media according to Drago."

LOL

"Fire Dept's" dont offer public comments.

Fire Chief's/Fire Dept leaders/Fire Dept Public relations officials make public comments...and they all, everyone of them in El Paso, report to the mayor.

Darrell said...

Bye, Mike!

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Whoa, some Trumpies were very excitable at his rally last night.

Where is Achilles to accuse lefty grandmas like me of violence?

Howard said...

MAYOR DEE MARGO (R), EL PASO, TEXAS: Well, I've said for months, if you want to learn about the border, you need to come to El Paso.

Chuck said...

I want this to be clear to Meade, Annie C. and all other readers.

Prior to this comment, I had posted exactly one comment on this page. It addressed the subject of the post, and I included a link to another story about the El Paso rally.

I did not attack or even mention any other commenter. I did not mention Althouse, or Meade.

Drago said...

Howard: "The Nat'l Emergency card... just as I have forseened"

LOL

You and about 150 million other Americans have "foreseen" this.

Next up for Seer Howard: Predictions of Spring following Winter.

Also, Howard has discerned the Patriots have a clear advantage against the Rams.

Also, either a republican or democrat will win the next Presidential ekection.

Im on pins and needles waiting for the next unique insight...

....I have my broker on speed dial...

Howard said...

Thanks Inga:

Excitable Boy
Warren Zevon

Well, he went down to dinner in his Sunday best
Excitable boy, they all said
And he rubbed the pot roast all over his chest
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy
He took in the four a.m. show at the Clark
Excitable boy, they all said
And he bit the usherette's leg in the dark
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy
He took little Suzie to the Junior Prom
Excitable boy, they all said
And he raped her and killed her, then he took her home
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy
After ten long years they let him out of the home
Excitable boy, they all said
And he dug up her grave and built a cage with her bones
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Fire departments are unionized and unions are part of the ms(13)m government media complex. You really need to listen more to Dr. Michael Savage, Inga.”

Yep, in Drago world.

Howard said...

Drago: you forgot Golden State Warriors Three-Peat

gilbar said...

so...
The President of the United States said... o we have, let's say, 35,000 people tonight
The Representative from Yorktown Heights said... in like, 12 years, the world will end

One of those is considered to be an Outright fabrication, and the other is considered gospel
How about, one is an estimate (correct within an order of magnitude), and the other is a WAG?

Drago said...

Howard: "Drago: you forgot Golden State Warriors Three-Peat"

As a nuggets fan Im trying not to think about that.

Drago said...

Inga thinks that others are like her and thus thinks appeals to "authority" or "celebrity" carries weight.

Its easy to understand why she is a lefty.

Drago said...

Inga: "Whoa, some Trumpies were very excitable at his rally last night."

"Marines Testify About the “Antifa Mob” They Say Attacked Them in Philly"

Hispanic Marines attacked and called nazi's and white supremacists by typical white lefties.

Snip: "According to the Marines’ testimony, they were touring historical landmarks near Front and Chestnut streets when suspect Thomas Keenan approached them. Godinez testified that Keenan asked them “Are you proud?,” to which Godinez remembers responding “We are Marines.” Torres said that he remembers Keenan asking “Are you Proud Boys?,” an allusion to one of the alt-right groups behind the rally, and one that Torres said he didn’t understand. “I didn’t know what Proud Boys meant,” he said.


The suspects hide their faces from the cameras in the courthouse on Thursday.

Whatever Keenan said, both Marines testified that Keenan, Massey, and approximately ten other people — men and women, some masked and some unmasked — then began attacking them with mace, punches, and kicks, and calling them “nazis” and “white supremacists.”


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.phillymag.com/news/2018/12/13/marines-assaulted-philadelphia-keenan-massey-antifa/%3famp=1





Achilles said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
Whoa, some Trumpies were very excitable at his rally last night.

Where is Achilles to accuse lefty grandmas like me of violence?


You are too much of a coward to be violent.

You cheer on your violent friends. Like when you said scalise deserved to get shot because he supported the nra.

Just like the few hundred Beto supporters attacking the Trump piñata.

The leftists know that their supporters are stupid idiots who will suck up whatever lies the wapo feeds them and will participate in violence against people who get in their way.

SayAahh said...

Trooper York got the axe.
This blog comment section will never be restored to its former level of intelligent and interesting reading until the axe also falls on Chuck.
Tolerance is being confused with suicide.

Meade said...

"Chuck is the Meadhouse loss leader they love to hate."

Ha! But there is no hate for Chuck here. Annoyance, yes. His own stated purpose here is to smear President Trump. I don't care for that at all. If we're going to have to take it, it seems fair to dish a little back. We all could stand to take a vacation from time to time. And that includes Chuck.

Yancey Ward said...

The media published only narrow-angled shots (shots taken from within the crowd with no wide perspective) of Beta's rally and Trump's rally (see the El Paso Times for a brilliant example)- that is always a reliable tell about the size of the crowds. We saw this repeatedly during the 2016 election, too. However, you can always find wide-angled shots of Trump's rallies taken by either the Trump staff or the attendees who are smart enough to find a great spot from which to give a wide perspective- there are always dozens of such shots taken by his fans at every rally he has held in the last 3 years.

The Facebook picture linked above is the widest-angled shot of the Beta O'Rourke rally I have been able to find, and even it is fairly narrow-angled, but not as bad as all of the photos in the mainstream media stories I searched through just a few minutes ago. Based on the Facebook photo, and what I could see of the ballpark in it, I would guess O'Rourke's crowd was under 2500 people- the march itself I have no photos at all I could rely on because their perspective was way too narrow.

I have a simple rule I follow that is almost 100% accurate- if the journalistic media publish only narrow angled photos of crowds, you adjust the conservative speaker's reported crowd up by a factor of 3 and the liberal speaker's down by a factor of 3. Based on this, I would guess Trump's crowd was 15,000-20,000 inside and outside combined (I base this, too, on the Trump fan photos that are much wider angled both inside and outside), and that the Beta's crowd was 2,000-4000 maximum, and I only go that high for Beta because I have literally no photos that are truly wide-angled from any source and can't judge the march itself at all.

Kevin said...

Remember when Hillary was drawing HUGE crowds?

Good times.

cubanbob said...

Beta The Gigolo is going to win over the Democrat voters who voted for Trump? Or is it going to be Willie Brown's Bimbo? Or one of the gaggle of wannabe Communists? Or are they going to run again with that old grifter, criminal and traitor Hillary? America has choices!

Yancey Ward said...

In short, if the Beto rally was anywhere close to half the size of Trump's, the media would have tripped over themselves to prove it with an actual wide angled photo that captured the edges of the crowd itself. When they don't do this, and we saw this repeatedly for Hillary Clinton's rallies in 2016, you can take it to the bank that they are inflating the crowd size. You only need to go back to Kamala Harris' presidential campaign announcement for the perfect example going the other way- that day the media were quite happy with wide-angled shots of the crowd because the crowd was really quite impressive.

Darrell said...

Remember when Hillary was drawing HUGE crowds?

Yeah. Fifty or sixty, at the end.
But no one saw trouble.

Ann Althouse said...

"... got the axe. This blog comment section will never be restored to its former level of intelligent and interesting reading until the axe also falls on..."

I don't know what you mean by the "axe" metaphor, but there are only 2 or 3 commenters we keep out by constant deletion, and nobody you're talking about is in that category. People who used to be here and you don't see anymore have left on their own, and you can look to them from explanations about why they left. Sometimes it's that their vanity was hurt, sometimes it's that they wanted me to do something I wouldn't do, and sometimes they've just moved on to other things. Who knows?

I know one commenter left because another commenter made fun of the way he fawned over his son and I wouldn't delete the fun-making. That's what I mean by "vanity was hurt."

Another left because he liked to enter into a new post, change the subject, and get commenters to talk about his idea and not mine. When I overcame my aversion to censorship enough to choose to delete this kind of hijacking, which I could see was intended to undercut my work and exploit the platform I'd created, he left. Fine with me. I didn't "axe" him. I just began deleting threadjacks that happen at the top of a thread and other things I call "bad faith."

Achilles said...

Chuck said...
I want this to be clear to Meade, Annie C. and all other readers.

Prior to this comment, I had posted exactly one comment on this page. It addressed the subject of the post, and I included a link to another story about the El Paso rally.

I did not attack or even mention any other commenter. I did not mention Althouse, or Meade.



For the racist violent disingenuous Chuck, history starts with the current post.

Ralph L said...

That March for Life video Althouse posted was amazing. I wonder how the numbers compared with the civil rights and anti-war protests of the 60's, though the US population was considerably smaller and poorer (esp. Black people and college age) then.

We're going to hear "cult of personality" a lot the next 6 years.

Darrell said...

Trooper York had that clothing store, didn't he? Or am I confusing him with someone else?

The person with the clothing store, somebody's closet, left to reduce his social media footprint when the store was getting new exposure/financing/media attention. He didn't want his comments here to ruin that.

Chuck said...

Meade said...
"Chuck is the Meadhouse loss leader they love to hate."

Ha! But there is no hate for Chuck here. Annoyance, yes. His own stated purpose here is to smear President Trump. I don't care for that at all. If we're going to have to take it, it seems fair to dish a little back. We all could stand to take a vacation from time to time. And that includes Chuck.


Again; and I think you already know this, Meade, I regret using the word "smear" in relation to Trump. I regret it because a precise definition of "smear" implies untruth in the attack on someone else. I do not ever wish to utilize untruths in any attacks on Trump. I want the truth to ultimately bring down Trump, under legal processes.

So, for about the tenth time this year; I regret using the word "smear" in relation to Trump. I wish that I hadn't used it. I have never used an untruth or a fabrication against Trump in any comment, and I have no intention to do so in the future.

I misused the word "smear." Just like Ann Althouse did, on January 18, 2018.

magamamma said...

Did anyone cover at Beto's rally the pinata of Potus that the illegals were beating to death.

Ralph L said...

Trooper's store was Lee Lee's Valise in Brooklyn. I believe it catered to full-figured women, so this may be the wrong thread.

magamamma said...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/ During Beto’s rally his supporters waved Mexican flags and beat a Trump piñata in the head during the Beto rally.

Classy.

Achilles said...

Chuck said...

So, for about the tenth time this year; I regret using the word "smear" in relation to Trump. I wish that I hadn't used it. I have never used an untruth or a fabrication against Trump in any comment, and I have no intention to do so in the future.

Do you regret your racist comments about Ben Carson?

Do you regret your threats of violence against various posters here including me?

Do you regret calling Baron Trump autistic?

You hate it when your mask slips and it becomes obvious to everyone you are not what you say you are.

You are Inga and Ritmo's favorite "conservative" for obvious reasons.

Darrell said...

Lee Lee's Valise, somebody's closet. Tomato/tomatoe.

The point about leaving still stands.

Drago said...

Durbin Cuckholster: "So, for about the tenth time this year; I regret using the word "smear" in relation to Trump. I wish that I hadn't used it. "

Not remotely believable.

You have positioned yourself as a legal beagle and whiz kid who knows and understands more than other commenters while simutaneously putting yourself out there as a paragon and the epitome of precision in language.

No, "smear" was precisely what you meant.

Your mistake was to inadvertantly make your true intentions, purpose and tactics clear. Thats what you regret.

There is no putting that Truth Genie back into the faux conservative LLR-Bottle.

Static Ping said...

The stupid thing is the media lies to me so often that my first reaction is to believe Trump.

My second reaction is not believe anyone without further evidence. And I am not sure if I believe anyone for further evidence at this point.

This is a very sad state of affairs.

bagoh20 said...

If bagoh20 leaves this blog, then I do too. He's the only reason I come here.

Chuck said...

Achilles said...
Chuck said...

"So, for about the tenth time this year; I regret using the word "smear" in relation to Trump. I wish that I hadn't used it. I have never used an untruth or a fabrication against Trump in any comment, and I have no intention to do so in the future."

Do you regret your racist comments about Ben Carson?


I have met Dr. Carson, outside of a Detroit courtroom where he had given expert testimony as a defense expert in a medical malpractice case. I have written about that history in these comments pages long ago, and I said that Dr. Carson was "brilliant." I think that Dr. Ben Carson is an extraordinary surgeon and an extraordinary man. Which places me in contrast to Donald Trump, who said of Dr. Carson, "He was a doctor, perhaps an OK doctor, by the way. You should check that out too. We're not talking about a great [doctor]. He was an OK doctor..."

What you are referring to was an insult that I aimed at Trump, not Dr. Carson. When Gina Haspel was nominated by Trump to be the Director of Central Intelligence, I endorsed her nomination and said that she was a credible candidate. I mocked Trump's nominating abilities by calling out "Dr. Ricky Bobby for Veterans Affairs or Dr. Ben Carson for Department of Black People." Dr. Carson, a superbly trained and preeminent surgeon (notwithstanding Trump's insult) had no experience in government and especially not in the Department of Housing and Urban Development.


Do you regret your threats of violence against various posters here including me?


No. At least not such as I wrote them. Thanks for asking and have a nice day.


Do you regret calling Baron Trump autistic?


I did not do that. I have written many times that lawyers hired by the Trump family have denied that Barron Trump is autistic, in a threatening letter that they sent to US Weekly magazine, after US Weekly did a story about others' reporting on Barron Trump.


You hate it when your mask slips and it becomes obvious to everyone you are not what you say you are.


Here I am, setting the record straight on another one of your dumb posts. I don't even get excited when you have suggested that if Trump is taken out by the Department of Justice or an impeachment, that there may be civil war. Because I don't take you seriously most of the time. So I've given you more than your due today. You're welcome.


You are Inga and Ritmo's favorite "conservative" for obvious reasons.


Thanks!

Drago said...

Smear Merchant Chuck: "Here I am, setting the record straight on another one of your dumb posts."

With another smear/lie, or the smear-lie-"truth"

And how is one to know?

And no, you were not insulting Trump with your racist Carson posting.

You were attempting to lie and transfer yout racist post/thought on Trump.

Which aligned perfectly with that days far left talking points.

So, once again, your comments that day betrayed your pitch perfect far left/smear alignment.

Just like every other day before, and everyday to come.

Darrell said...

Chuck puts words in Trump's mouth and that makes Trump look stupid.

That should be Chuck's epitaph.

Darrell said...

Or Chuck's license revocation defense.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“You are Inga and Ritmo's favorite "conservative" for obvious reasons.”

Um...no. Meade is my favorite conservative.

Drago said...

Chuck is now lying about his previous smears.

Who didin't see that coming?

Drago said...

Inga: "Um...no. Meade is my favorite conservative."

Geographic advantage.

Unknown said...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-beto-o-rourke-el-paso-texas-wall-n970256

Video shows Beto backdropped by a FENCE. Why is it there? Aesthetics? Protection, traffic control?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

And Meade knows he was being a meanie to Chuck and tried to smooth things over. Now how can anyone not admire that? Meade has a soft heart. Maybe that’s one of the things that made Althouse marry him?

dreams said...

Run, watch the metro/betosexual run.

narciso said...

Chuck is very exciteable about low hanging fruit,

http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/12/political-journalists-are-trying-to-gaslight-america/

Chuck said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
“You are Inga and Ritmo's favorite "conservative" for obvious reasons.”

Um...no. Meade is my favorite conservative.


There you go!

Congratulations, Meade. You earned it. I'm proud of you.

FullMoon said...

PSA for new and casual readers;

Chuck said...

"I am afraid you are mistaking me for someone who has an interest in fair treatment of Donald Trump. I'm not your guy. I am interested in smearing him, hurting him and prejudicing people against him."

Jim at said...

Until 2020, 304-227 are the only numbers that matter.

narciso said...

so we focus on minutae:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/02/12/genuine-alliances-secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo-in-budapest-hungary/

Jim at said...

As fascinating as I find all of you, especially Althouse and Meade, the whole Chuck thing is too intrusive.

Just scroll on by. There are still good comments in each thread.

Drago said...

Its important that Fullmoon continue posting LLR Chuck's full Smear Merchant declaration whenever LLR Chuck attempts to lie about his true intent.

Read all of Chuck's quote and it is clear that the use of the word "smear" was no accident.

That complete quote demonstrates conclusively an entire philosophy, an entire approach designed to achieve a specifc pro-left/dem objective.

That exposure however betrays Chuck's purpose which hurts Chuck's efforts.

So Chuck lies about his smears.

He has to.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“So Chuck lies about his smears.

He has to.”

Drago lies about liberal commenters loving Muslim extremist terrorists and MS -13.

Drago said...

Infanticide Democrat Inga: "Drago lies about liberal commenters loving Muslim extremist terrorists and MS -13."

You advocate for their unrestricted entry into our nation.

Drago said...
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Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Infanticide Democrat Inga...”

Now Drago lies about me and infanticide. Yawn, what else is new. Drago your schtick is old and worn out, even conservative commenters here are sick of it.

Drago said...

Nancy Pelosi said MS13 machete murderers had the "spark of divinity" while advocating for infanticide post-birth abortion...but calls republicans deplorables.

Inga thinks she can comtinue to hide what the dems stand for.

She cant.

Nor can Chuck.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga thinks she can comtinue to hide what the dems stand for.”

Only in your twisted mind. I still have hope that there are conservatives here and elsewhere who haven’t become merely barking dogs for Trump.

Drago said...

Inga: "Now Drago lies about me and infanticide."

Multiple democrat controlled states have passed bills allowing infanticide and democrats in multiple other states are attempting to pass similar laws.

And you support the dems. In fact, you said dems would save the nation.

But not those babies...

Drago said...

Reality quiz for Inga:Does New York now allow for the killing of a baby born alive?

Yes or no?

Dont worry: we know you wont dare to answer.

And NY isnt the only state controlled by dems that voted for this.

But hey, Im sure you will make the baby comfortable first...




Meade said...

FullMoon said...
PSA for new and casual readers;

Chuck said..."I am afraid you are mistaking me for someone who has an interest in fair treatment of Donald Trump. I'm not your guy. I am interested in smearing him, hurting him and prejudicing people against him."
--------------------------------------
It's worth including the date Chuck made that vow/comment: 3/4/16

And now dishonest, ill-tempered, waspish, hypocritical Chuck claims the blogger made an equivalent misuse of the word January 18, 2018, nearly 2 years after Chuck misspoke using the word "smear." It's as if he believes no one will take the trouble to follow his link to see for himself just how disingenuous and smeary Chuck behaves. If only he could be honest, he might as well come right out and say: I am afraid you are mistaking me for someone who has an interest in fair treatment of Ann Althouse. I'm not your guy. I am interested in smearing her, hurting her and prejudicing people against her.

A vacation from this blog for Chuck is long overdue.

Drago said...

Inga has wisely hightailed it outta here knowing she cannot truthfully answer about democrat infanticide bills.

Chuck said...

Meade back on the 19th of January, Althouse commented on her "Smear" blog post this way:

Ann Althouse said...
Why I used the word “smear”:

1. For metaphorical vividness. It went with “shit.”

2. Because even assuming he said it, which maybe he didn’t, I think it was taken out of context and portrayed as racist in a way that was viciously out of proportion. There was an intense effort to destroy him.
1/19/18, 9:01 PM


And that is sort of why I used the word "smear." For metaphorical vividness. I wanted to convey my personal rage at Trump, for being a Truther, a Birther and a Vaxxer. For being a liar of almost incomprehensible range. And an all-around asshole.

And as you well know, Meade, I have NEVER made any such references to Althouse. Few readers here more regularly single out specific posts by Althouse for praise, than me. Others in her commentariat think that I am sucking up to her, my praise has been so effusive on occasion.

And as always, I remind you (as Althouse knows) that my issues here are not a personal, or personality issue. My issues here are purely "Trump" issues. And the insane, reactive responses of many of your Trump-fan commenters. I say that, Meade, because as Althouse knows, I had a long and very quiet history of commenting here before the presidential campaign. Few commenters here remember me from before that time. Althouse will remember, since she had an innocuous "Chuck the commenter" tag for me, dating back many years. My private correspondence with Althouse was friendly; I suggested a few blogging topics to her; she thanked me; I wrote to her congratulating her on specifics of her blog posts; and I respectfully disagreed with her on some technical legal issues. Very respectfully. And that was all pre-Trump. Ask her about it.

Your comment Meade, putting words in my mouth about Althouse is wildly inappropriate.

Chuck said...

And here is another Althouse comment. One that I think is important, which bears re-posting because I agree with its terms and its general sentiment. This was Althouse just two days ago, responding to a commenter who tried to badly characterize Althouse and who did it unfairly (and I know how that feels):


Ann Althouse said...
"Perhaps. But then why are you willing to believe CBF's lies? Why did you say that Kavanaugh was too perfect? Why did you wait until months after Kavanaugh's confirmation to say you would have confirmed him? Why did you criticize Sandmann and never criticize Phillips?"

I listened to the testimony in the normal way that you ought to listen to testimony, which is not pre-believing that it's "lies" (or truth).

Almost everything you've written there is infected with distortion and misunderstanding. You ask me why, but why are you willing to say those things about me? You're basically lying about me, so I don't regard you as a person who values truth.

Quote something I wrote, and ask me about it. Treat me with decency, and I will take the trouble to respond. Otherwise, just withdraw your careless remarks and apologize.

2/10/19, 12:13 PM


Link to that page of comments is HERE.

It is a really great rule, for any comment that is not aimed at the substance of the main blog post. "Quote me, and then ask me about it."

And in my case, for all of you MAGA fans; "Quote me completely, in context, and provide a link... Oh, and don't keep repeating old quotes from me unless you have a new question about it that I haven't already answered."

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga has wisely hightailed it outta here knowing she cannot truthfully answer about democrat infanticide bills.”

If Drago isn’t obsessed with Chuck, he’s obsessed with me. I had a phone call and some other business to take care of. Drago likes to imagine things.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck: "and that is sort of why I used the word "smear." For metaphorical vividness."

LOLOLOLOLOL

Supposed legal beagle and self-annointed language precision maestro Chuck is now attempting, by my count, his FIFTH attempt (maybe more?) at explaining away his brief moment of honesty.

His stories, like AOC's and Hillarys, just keeps getting worse and worse.

And then Chuck decides it would be a good idea to drag Althouse into it in an astonishingly greasy and smeary way.

LOL

Unbelievable.

Drago said...

Inga: "I had a phone call and some other business to take care of."

Oh, so thats why you never answered the question, eh?

Wink wink

tim in vermont said...

Considering that O’Rourke has been one of the world’s most successful gigolos, my money would be on him.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga: "Now Drago lies about me and infanticide."

“Multiple democrat controlled states have passed bills allowing infanticide and democrats in multiple other states are attempting to pass similar laws.”

I’m not the state of New York, nor am I multiple Democratic States ( name which ones). I don’t blame you for the utterances of Gomert or the other lunatic, what’s his name Steve King.

Also Drago, you misrepresent everything, so how can I take what you claim seriously? Go find the wording in the New York Law, quote the parts you take issue with and then it can be debated.

gilbar said...

okay, i'll stop constantly posting the definition of the word SMEAR. Here's another definition

Kinsley gaffe
"A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth – some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say.".

Clearly, our LLR was Not supposed to say that he was "afraid you are mistaking me for someone who has an interest in fair treatment of Donald Trump. I'm not your guy. I am interested in smearing him, hurting him and prejudicing people against him."

FullMoon said...

For the new or casual reader. Chuck predicted big loss if Trump nominated. Chuck, like Inga, would rather see the country in turmoil and be able to say"I told you so", than to graciously accept reality and move on.

Chuck will frequently use the "I dint do nuffin;" defense when teased good naturally by regulars. Chuck is the neighborhood dog that poops on your lawn. Every once in awhile, he is just passing by, but because of past transgressions, he gets hosed anyway. In fact, some jovial commenters metaphorically keep looking out the window, waiting for the cur(or the bitch) to pass by.

All in fun.

Chuck said:
My point, and my question to all of the Trump fans is this: Trump as the Republican nominee will result in Hillary Clinton winning the Presidency of the United States and holding that office until Justice Scalia is 85 years old. Hillary could nominate replacements for Ginsburg, Breyer, and one or two Republicans. We could end her term with a Supreme Court comprised of six young liberals who might serve for 25 years.

Climate change is a joke, compared to those prospects.

If Trump is the Republican nominee, Hillary Clinton wins by 350 electoral votes.

Howard said...

Chuck: Thank You for your patronage!,

The Management

Gk1 said...

Static Ping beat me to it. The MSM routinely lies about everything Trump says or does to the point I don't even bother looking into it. I'm sure it wasn't even close the POTUS easily outdrew a local, losing, senate candidate. Overall that's not good so many people are tuning out the media. Trump will probably do something authentically terrible and there will be no way of knowing. It was pathetic enough I have to go to foreign news sources to find out what is going on in my own country but it shouldn't be this way.

FIDO said...

Well, I was mildly interested in this, so I looked for actual images.

AND...I came across this: A twitter post by a Gromer Jeffers, Jounolist. He estimates 4,000 in the entire 'March for Truth'.

But that doesn't matter. He mentioned a Linda LaMotte who 'drove 12 hours' to get to this event. Ms. LaMotte, who drove '12 hours' probably came by bus...and I doubt it was empty.

Ms. LaMotte was standing in front of a RACK of ready made anti Trump and 'March for Truth'™ merch.

Like Ms. LaMotte, no doubt it, like Beto's crowd size, sprang fully formed from the earth and not because of Astroturfing.

So this makes the whole 'crowd size' thing moot. Twelve hours of driving means 'from outside Texas'. Ergo, inorganic.

FullMoon said...

Ms. LaMotte was standing in front of a RACK of ready made anti Trump and 'March for Truth'™ merch.

After many mocked the pre printed anti Trump signs, next rally had many "handmade" anti-Trump signs. All on same size poster board and same size handle.
Probably made by homeless drug addicts under lefzies control.

FullMoon said...
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FIDO said...

Back in 2004, Bush had a rally in my home city and I brought the boy so both of us could see a president.

We waited in line for 2+ hours. No one was bussed in. Traffic was a nightmare.

The Party was giving out tickets. The venue was not 100% full, but had tens of thousands of people.

So I will believe the media when they show some sky shots of crowd sizes and not before. They already own HELICOPTORS. Why aren't they taking informative pictures?


Silly me. This presupposes that they are actually interested in INFORMING vs Scratching Inga's Itch.

Big Mike said...

Trump wins because Trump always wins.

And no, I am not yet tired of all the winning.

Drago said...

Inga: "I don’t blame you for the utterances of Gomert or the other lunatic, what’s his name Steve King."

You routinely call all Trump voters deplorables, traitors and, in the past, nazi's.

You routinely lie about democrat policies and leaders (Inga famously argued leaders of the Women's March were not anti-semitic...right up to the point that the dems had to walk away from those crazies).

Drago said...

Inga: "I’m not the state of New York, nor am I multiple Democratic States ( name which ones)."

Actually, you are.

Leland said...

Thanks WendyBar for the images. The local news in Houston gave size estimates that match the photos. Hundreds for Beto, Thousands for Trump. It was an interesting topic to me, because Beto really needed to out do Trump on his home turf to suggest he had a viable campaign. I'm absolutely sure that is why Trump chose El Paso this time.

gilbar said...

Linda LaMotte who 'drove 12 hours' to get to this event

so, i asked Google maps for directions from Los Angles to El Paso, anyone care to guess the time?
11:54

Tommy Duncan said...

Blogger Drago said...

"Chuck is now lying about his previous smears.

Who didn't see that coming?"


Inga?

narciso said...

that's a long trip:


http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/12/andrew-cuomos-approval-rating-sinks-to-all-time-low/#.XGL5Scj3vJU.twitter

SteveR said...

People knew there were limited seats inside and that you had to get tickets. They also knew it was a crappy place for parking and it was not a nice day outside. Apples and oranges with Panco Vanilla’s deal. People in El Paso’s views on the wall align with their vote for presiden

chickelit said...

Chuck is merely a Mitt Romney proxy, daring to say all the goofy and distempered things about Trump that Romney is afraid to say in public. Chuck and Romney are related somehow through a Michigan connection. Prove me wrong.

Birkel said...

The interesting thing not yet mentioned:

If Beto really outdrew Trump, then that means Beto is more significant than anybody had imagined. That would mean Beto is a legitimate challenger to Kamala Harris. Does anybody believe those possibilities likely?

The press is in an interesting bind. How do they attack Trump without elevating those they defend, like Beto?

And does Trump understand that he is elevating second and third tier candidates to increase the chaos? All by himself, Trump is pushing Operation Chaos on the Dems, if so.

Ponder that.

DeepRunner said...

Still don't get how a dude who is not Hispanic uses a Hispanic name.

I guess it's sorta like Bill Clinton being the first black President. Or Elizabeth Warren being Native American.

alanc709 said...

Inga...Allie Oop said...
'Trump can’t keep his lies straight. “35,000” then slips and tells the truth, “10,000”.

Beto didn’t have to lie or exaggerate crowd size.'

Because you and the press will do that for him