Scott Adams apologizes for believing @CNN about the Covington Catholic Boys fake news. With coffee. https://t.co/Izg0tq4YkB— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 20, 2019
... because I realize that my idea of what happened — which you're jumping on me about in the comments to the previous post — was influenced by listening to what Scott Adams said about it yesterday...
So do I need to apologize for believing Scott Adams? Not exactly. My post — "The man in the middle" — is carefully written based only what I know, which is what I'm always doing around here. I wasn't a tube channeling what went through Scott Adams from CNN. I protect myself from that sort of thing. But the way in which I wrote around my lack of knowledge was influenced by what Scott Adams said yesterday, and he's apparently backing off from all that.
I can't watch the first video yet, because it's a live-stream until he gets done and I entered after the relevant part.
By the way, one thing that I'm actively trying to avoid and that I'm wary of in other white people is a patronizing, sentimental attitude toward Native Americans.
UPDATE: The live stream is over now, so I'm watching the new video. First, Adams observes that on the very day when MSM were observing their own screw-up over the BuzzFeed fake news about the Mueller investigation, they were falling into another fake news story. Next, Adams admits, "I totally got taken by it," and begins what he calls "an extended explanation/apology."
He says he's now seen "extended video" and declares everything CNN reported to be "absolutely fake news." And it was the "worst kind" of fake news, because "They didn't even get the good guys and the bad guys right."
Adams believed, based on the CNN reports, that the "Native American man was awesome," because he came between 2 groups of antagonistic youths and "de-escalated" a conflict, and he called them "assholes." Scott refrains from repeating the a-word in the new video, substituting the word "jerks." Now, he says, based on longer video, "That is completely not what happened."
The most important thing that CNN did not report, Adams says, is that the African American group — the Black Israelites — were being "flat-out racist." On the extended video, you can hear them calling the Catholic schoolboys "crackers" and (repeatedly) "school shooters."
The Black Israelites denounced Democrats as "racist." "You didn't see that on CNN," Adams laughs. The black protesters were, Adams says, "overtly anti-white." "They were also anti-gay" and "used anti-gay slurs," and the Catholic schoolboys "spontaneously and unanimously pushed back against an anti-gay statement" — "They were offended." The Catholic schoolboys were smiling, "didn't look angry," and "were all well-behaved," Adams says.
CNN presented the elderly Native American man as coming between the 2 groups of youths, but, Adams says now, that "definitely didn't happen" — "He was just kind of doing his own thing... He was causing trouble. He was not looking to stop it. He was very obviously looking to cause trouble... He looked like he was escalating the situation, not de-escalating." [ADDED: I have now watched that part of the video, and I have nothing to say about what that man had going on in his head.]
Adams now interpret the boys as seeing the old man as "all part of the fun." "They were just sort of dancing around because he was dancing around." Adams stresses that the old man approached the boys — got "in their faces." The Catholic schoolboys "did not back up," which is what created the viral video image from which the fake news was manufactured.
Adams notes that CNN still has the story in fake form on its front page "Teens in Make America Great Again hats taunted Native American elder" and I'm seeing that now, at 11:30 ET:
According to Adams, in the extended video, you see a large group and only about 10% of them have MAGA hats, and, more importantly, they do not taunt the man. I guess CNN isn't afraid of libel suits.
Maybe Adams is worried about libel suits. He says, "I'm going to do a full 180 on you.... This is the most complete apology you're ever going to see from anybody. I couldn't have been more wrong about this group of kids. These kids kept their composure, stayed on the right side of every issue, avoided trouble, and never lost their smiles." But he still thinks "It was a mistake to wear their MAGA hats in public, because you know that's going to cause trouble and it probably did."
AND: Let me quote EDH (from the comments in the previous post):
Most of the kids seemed to be chanting with the drum beat, albeit in an irreverent way, but more jocular than threatening.I'll embed the 1 hour and 45 minute video, which I clicked on and watched less than a second of before clicking off:
That's why I'd like to see what's on either end of that edited video clip, especially the genesis and termination of the encounter.
And who was the president that said "I want you to argue with them. Get in their face"?
I may watch it eventually.
OKAY: I've watched the key part of the video, and I think this is a whole lot of nothing. The men making the video remind me of religious ranters I've seen in Madison many times. Ordinary people just ignore them, and that's what I'm seeing in the video. The Catholic schoolboys group is large, and they seem to be taking in the free speech forum and doing some sort of cheers on their own, widely separated from "Black Israelites" group. Then the Native American guy enters the space and walks up to the schoolboys beating his drum. The schoolboys react by bouncing along with the beat in a way that seems to welcome the man and include him in their boisterous fun day out in the public square. Shame on the adult professionals who latched onto this as something to make into the big issue of the day. Total fake news. I ignored this yesterday, but my ignoring something doesn't have any effect on the total amount of noise. So I have to speak up and rephrase my silence into words: This is nothing.
AND: The man holding the camera narrates, accusing the schoolboys of "mockery" and so forth. But you're a fool if you watch the video and see what he's telling you to see. It's a microcosm of fake news, and big media responded and amplified.
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Enforced communism under the law on the various reservations.
It's worse than hatred.
I'm wary of in other white people is a patronizing, sentimental attitude toward...
No diversity. No color judgments.
By the way, one thing that I'm actively trying to avoid and that I'm wary of in other white people is a patronizing, sentimental attitude toward Native Americans.
This identity politics bullshit is your baby, Althouse.
I don't give a fuck about it. I don't give a fuck about your pretense that I should defer to you and kiss your ass because of your bogus claim to being oppressed because you're a woman.
You're the problem. You need to dump this entire load of Marxist bullshit you carry around.
Living in that Marxist feminist college environment has corrupted you, not me.
That patronizing attitude exists for quite a few groups.
Blogging in double, triple, quadruple negatives now. Didn’t believe what Adams didn’t believe he believed but now you believe he believed he didn’t believe.
Too meta for me. Is no one interested in straight exposition?
Here, I'll help you.
Here's a line of patronizing Marxist feminist bullshit for you to dump, Althouse.
Stop using the term "misogyny," when what you mean is "disagreement with Marxist feminist ideology."
This is a vicious, mindless, patronizing tactic on your part, pretending that disagreement with your Marxist feminist ideology equals hating all women.
I regard it as malicious arm twisting.
By the way, one thing that I'm actively trying to avoid and that I'm wary of in other white people is a patronizing, sentimental attitude toward Native Americans.
Except for assuming that in a conflict with White boys the Indians are the victims of course.
Here is different side of the story.
"If someone walks up to you and bangs a drum in your face, are you guilty of harassing the drummer? You might be if you’re white and wearing a MAGA hat. Just a day after rushing to judgment about a BuzzFeed story that claimed President Trump had instructed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress — a story Robert Mueller’s own office subsequently debunked, the blue-checkmark media elite had a new instant narrative to promote. It was a tale perfectly tailored to liberal biases: white Catholic teenagers in MAGA hats had harassed an old and frail Indian veteran during the March for Life, which was also the date of an Indigenous People’s March."
https://spectator.us/liberal-punch-child/
And this.
https://twitter.com/matthewschmitz/status/1086850957567315968
I have to wait an additional hour for it to show up as an .mp3 at scott's blog.
I'm not following the controversy. It's quite possible for white high school kids to act like assholes. It's quite possible for media people to luxuriate in their hatred of white high school kids who act like assholes and to minimize the assholery of left wing activists. This is the kind of news that drives me to watch too much Netflix.
Guilty of being white.
I don't patronize indians, I mock them. Actually aimed at the sentimental indian idolizers. The culture has always been ridiculous.
Indians out and about in the US culture are fine. Assimilated, you could say.
It might make sense to "bring yourself" to watch videos before making ridiculous comments about them.
I think anything valuable in indian culture has already been long ago appropriated.
It looks to me like it was the white kids who were getting harassed.
As to Shouting Thomas, “well that escalated quickly.”
Swearing undercuts logic, it does not bolster it.
More perspective.
"It was the Native American protester who harassed the boys and the boys stood by peacefully."
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/mainstream-media-caught-another-lie-trump-supporting-students?fbclid=IwAR3Q5zjJqdfHStuh1OHrR0nfwFW1ZDtQym0pMaHq1x2FuEkjFqxtHoJ-ohY
So do I need to apologize for believing Scott Adams? Not exactly. My post — "The man in the middle" — is carefully written based only what I know,
Is it so difficult to say "oops, sorry I jumped to a conclusion based on what other people were saying about a video I did not watch."
You carefully wrote you were touched by the charity of the lawyer describing the boys as only rambunctious.
The women's march was covered by the Hack press. March for life - not.
The women at the march were mostly a motley assortment of Jew hating Linda Sour-sore types, and angry entitled tattooed rainbow-haired haters with chips on their shoulders and victimhood in their hearts.
Althouse is steered by hot buttons. Young males behaving badly is one; not so much behaving badly in general but specifically as the threat to women that's implied.
"Swearing undercuts logic, it does not bolster it."
What does this "logic" you mention have to do with anything? Look at how people reacted to the latest bit of BuzzFeed "fake news." Quite a few of them still tried to pretend it was true even after Mueller spiked the story in a way he's never done before
The days of debate and discussion are over. This is basically just war without guns where all that matters is beating the other side.
Mike
The corrupt liberal media doesn't even try to report honestly.
The corrupt liberal media are after clicks. It's a business. They don't actually care beyond staying attuned to the best audience holding power.
It's not patronizing, it's exploitation of the groups as agitprop.
"I don't patronize indians, I mock them. Actually aimed at the sentimental indian idolizers. The culture has always been ridiculous."
Yesterday, I patronized an Indian by helping him dig out his Toyota pickup after it was trapped by what the city snowplow truck scooped up on and around it. He told me I was "very kind." I could've argued with him but decided to instead thank him and let it make my day.
And...
https://twitter.com/beyondreasdoubt/status/1086799372032061441
They don't really have feelings for them, patronizing or not...
None of the evidence matters. Just like the idiots who still believe Kavanaugh was a human rape machine and Bush stole the 2000 election, MSM will repeat and reinforce the lie of the harassing racist MAGA kids
So do I need to apologize for believing Scott Adams? Not exactly. My post — "The man in the middle" — is carefully written based only what I feel, since I deliberately made no effort to find out the actual facts
Fixed that for you.
I know, I know — virtue smoke signaling.
I cannot cue the start, but watch this video starting @3:00.
Scott explains the context the media completely COMPLETELY neglect to report.
Scott Adams is the best thing going these days. He takes the media as a business, for understanding stuff, and gets an audience.
This is not the the first time the media ha concocted a false narrative confirming their biases. Nor will it be the last. In this instance, young Catholic males were involved at a pro-life rally, so the press did not need to know anything more to conclude who the bad guys were.
Anyone who takes CNN seriously a a news source is a fool. They are polemicists, nothing more nothing less.
This gentleman seems to have bad luck with white people but good luck with the media:
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/native-american-claims-racial-harassment-by-emu-students-dressed-as-indians
At this point, why does anybody believe anything CNN says? They've squandered 100% of their credibility on Trump-Russia.
Some of us have been laughing at them since the Eason Jordan days in 2004 or whenever his famous quote was (about reporting Saddam Hussein's lies in order to retain access).
The media itself has become a giant clown car. This process has been ongoing for a long, LONG time - I read a book by James Fallows of The Atlantic, published in the early-mid 90's, about how broken the news business was then ("Breaking the News"). And he is, obviously, no conservative.
25 years later, it's gotten worse, exponentially - so bad that to take it seriously is to fill your head daily with lies and innuendo, while leaving out crucial context that you have to supply yourself with judicious news source curation and research.
Good job. Never apologize. It's like you're taking lessons from Trump
Today, I'll go out with my snow shovel and see if I can find a random Madrileño to patronize.
I guess CNN isn't afraid of libel suits.
And hasn't been unfortunately, since Sullivan was decided.
@EDH, hilarious and apt. (And watch the video that follows for additional—albeit off-topic—hilarity.)
its funny I saw this on a yahoo video feed last night and naturally assumed it was just horseshit because then it was also trending on CNN. Any story that aligns with liberal jerk off fantasies are almost 99% false. The fun part is its fallen apart by the time it reaches Althouse by Sunday morning. Thank god other people at the rally also have cell phones and video'ed the entire incident to provide much needed context because we can never trust the liberal media to do that.
Maybe Adams is worried about libel suits.
Or maybe, unlike certain other people, he is willing to admit he is wrong when he is wrong, and apologize for being wrong. I understand how this could be confusing to you.
It's a curious thing. I didn't watch any of the video, but my initial belief when I read who the parties were involved turned out to be pretty much as it actually was. The white kids from the religious school were respectful, fair, and good natured. The minority factions were openly racist and homophobic toward them, and the press would lie about it. It's not exactly a new revelation of how these parties act. I guess it depends on where your biases, stereotypes, and prejudices lie. I'm pretty proud of mine. They seem to do their job of informing me accurately before the facts are available. YMMV.
It was a mistake to wear their MAGA hats in public, because you know that's going to cause trouble and it probably did.
Those damn deplorables, stirring up trouble again by insisting they have the right to free speech. I guess they should have worn their "fuck the police" and pussy hats instead.
Episode 382 just disappeared from the Scott Adams blog. I assume an updating in progress.
One should not believe anything the main stream media says. Ever.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
If you don't really embrace cruel neutrality, being the man in the middle is just virtue signalling.
Seems to be gone from the periscope page too.
It’s a mistake to quietly exercise your first amendment rights by wearing a hat that the democrat propaganda media outlets have determined is a bad thing. I call bullshit on that.
1. The Omaha Indian guy is 64. He's an Elder in the Omaha Tribe but not elderly.
And he did go looking for trouble. He's a professional agitator. He camped out on the Mall during the AIM days.
2. I heard the Black Israelites call the boys "future school shooters."
3. I'm assuming that the Black guy was calling the boys "fags." Having attended an all boys Catholic school, I'm used to that.
4. The boys would act the same way at a basketball or football game.
5. Story up that the boys might get expelled. Many in the administration of Catholic schools are very liberal.
"I guess it depends on where your biases, stereotypes, and prejudices lie. I'm pretty proud of mine"
Same here. I first read about this whole bit of agitprop this morning, and as of this moment it looks as though my pre-judged snap conclusions on it have been 100% correct — if anything, it looks as if I'm not being biased enough.
If Nathan Phillips is 64, when did he serve in Vietnam? If he joined at 18, that was 1972, when we had already pulled our troops out.
Via politico
GOP senator: Trump’s ‘straw man proposal’ not meant to become law
Time to coin a logism ‘straw man in the middle’ to mean ' I want to start a different conversation.'
Wear your MAGA hats with pride and courage, Americans. It helps to identify the cowards, creeps, bigots, and scumbags who support the democrat party in its goal to subjugate our nation and citizens.
Many in the administration of Catholic schools are very liberal.
I'm actually more mad at the school and diocese for pulling an Althouse than I am at the media for lying.
"carefully written based only what I know, which is what I'm always doing around here"
Sorry. After the CBF fiasco, no one around here buys that anymore.
It's what you now that ain't so that's the problem.
It's so much nicer to be able to riff on the man in the middle than to confront the actual propaganda head on.
Which you do sometimes, in which case we do appreciate it.
IMO, you don't need to apologize. Who would you apologize to?
You reacted to the news. And when the news was corrected, you corrected. That's how it's supposed to work. Maybe a little more skepticism up front, but that's no big deal.
Meade@10:19AM That needs a rimshot!
IMO, you don't need to apologize. Who would you apologize to?
Well she could start with the Covington kids for assuming the worst about them, and then us for insisting that truth doesn't matter.
We already know the media will take any drop of bad light on Trump or GOP and amplify it.
We already know that the media will take any negative reality about any leftwing democratic group and ignore it, or down-play it.
Journalism.
"I could've argued with him but decided to instead thank him and let it make my day."
Did you give him a rat sticker?
Virtue smoke signaling. Toppest of keks, Meade.
To me, the idea that this could have been avoided if only the boys took off their MAGA hats is purely specious reasoning, and a fine example of the moderate vacillating between food and poison. The white people in this video were obviously on their best behavior, and the others obviously were not. Just because thuglets have been accepted into academic babysitting does not mean they should actually be there. If anything, wearing MAGA hats only emphasizes that the Trump movement is fundamentally much more decent than their enemies, who hate their fellow Americans almost entirely because of their identity- that is, race and religion.
But he still thinks "It was a mistake to wear their MAGA hats in public, because you know that's going to cause trouble and it probably did."
A progressive predisposition to diversity is why American conservatives rarely advertise their views, on lawns, on bumpers, etc.
Gahrie - It appears that some Catholic laypeople, and perhaps a cleric or too, wittingly or unwittingly participated in the serious sin of calumny, which, in plain English, equals taking irresponsible delight in pointing out the faults of others.
It appears they may have done so out of laziness and ignorance; but there may have been some malice, too, and maybe some evil envy of the youth and good health of those they criticized, and maybe racism, and maybe just plain orneriness.
it is Catholic doctrine that, if the calumniators willfully and knowingly sinned, and do not repent of their sin, they will not be forgiven by God, who forgives almost everything.
It is particularly dire because the victims of the calumny were children, and the Bible teaches that cruelty to children is very very bad.
So pray for them.
You can't wear a MAGA hat because it would provoke the party of tolerance. And antifa is a social organization promoting such tolerance.
"It was a mistake to wear their MAGA hats in public, because you know that's going to cause trouble and it probably did." -- Adams
Jesus H Christ. I wonder if he sees women/girls wearing short shorts, and no bra that it will eventually cause trouble and turn into a rape.
The video shows 3 African Americans speaking their minds and in doing so, offending some native Americans.
That does NOT fit the Democratic News Media narrative.
“It was a mistake to wear their MAGA hats in public, because you know that's going to cause trouble...”
Wait, wait, I know this one....
The guys were asking for it because of how they dressed!
Yeah, I think that’s right. It’s similar to rape victims. They’re asking for it when they dress a certain way!
No, no I’m pretty sure I heard screeching about women being able to wear anything they want anywhere they go and have no responsibility for anything that happens. They’re not asking to be raped. Men need to check themselves and be better men. I learned that from a Gillette Ad.
So what could it be? Why are they boys bad for wearing MAGA hats, why should they have known trouble might start and choose not to wear the hats, but those damn girls always getting raped and stuff, just because they dress like sluts... I know I am not allowed to say “it was a mistake to wear that in public because she knew what was going to happen”.
Ugh this stuff is so confusing. Maybe I need to go back to ROOM 101 for re-training...“
To add one short comment - if the laypeople and clerics who lied about those young people knew they were lying, the sin was not calumny, it was the sin of deceit and lying, not calumny.
I try and I try, but I never manage to be sufficiently cynical.
> Seems to be gone from the periscope page too.
Adams said that he removed it.
Did you give him a rat sticker?
Beware of fanatical animal rights activists triggered by inanimate ink blots on bumpers.
What can you really say? Why was Scott Adams - who's talked again and again and again- for over 3 years on how CNN is "fake News" - taken in by CNN?
This is what ALWAYS amazes me. How many times to you have to be fooled before you finally stop believing the MSM on certain topics?
Basically ANYTHING on the MSM that shows conservatives, Christians, Republicans, men, etc. in a bad light should be treated with extreme skepticism.
For example, if you looked into it, you'll discover that Rep. Stephen King was completely MISREPRESENTED in what he said. He NEVER supported "White supremacy". But the House Republicans took away his committee assignments. Why? Not because of the fake reporting - McCarthy isn't a gullible fool. No, they hate King because of his anti-immigration stands -which displeases the Koch Brothers & the big Republican Donors and the Chamber of Commerce.
More tolerant left"
"At the very least name them and shame them so they won’t become the next Brett Kavanaugh"
Skipped ahead a bit.
Around 1:20 someone says "Christ is coming back to kick your white cracker asses."
You cannot make this stuff up.
"Listen to him because you might lose your scholarship."
FullMoon, above, posted a response by one of the boys who was there. And, yes, they were repeatedly called "faggots" and one of their Black classmates was harassed for attending that school.
Diversity! Tolerance!
Sure, the media has slandered these boys and is trying to get them expelled and to ruin their lives, but let's not forget, it's being done for the Greater Good.
I haven't checked the American Conservative Magazine - but this is the kind of thing that Rod Dreher goes to town on.
He LOVES to go into hysterics and join every liberal lynch mob against Trump, Catholics, or Conservatives. Then after 2-3 hysterical columns decrying Racism/Trump/Etc. he issues the inevitable update or postscript apologizing for believing the MSM - but reaffirming that while they got the facts wrong - the MSM was correct IN SPIRIT.
The Catholic Church has too much blood on its hands already. I wonder, how many of the child rape accusations against the church involved male priests assaulting female children?
Anyone who gets any information from the mainstream media who then treats that information as factual deserves what he(she) gets when that information turns out to be wrong.
If I've learned nothing else since the beginning of the Øbama years, it is that the media is not to be trusted —— no way, no how.
Be skeptical my friends; always be skeptical.
I watched the video.
The man with the beard* says "they're taunting him with their hats." Again with the hats. I have a a red cap which is easily mistaken for a MAGA hat, even though it is not. When I do wear it, it does trigger certain people from a distance. Should I stop wearing it?
__________________
*He thinks those strands of grey in his beard impart wisdom to his look, but really, it looks more like the dried juice of something he ate. Disgusting. He should buy some Gillette product.
The democratic hack press got their story. That is - young white boys with MAGA hats are racists with menacing smirks.
Nothing else to see.
Black Isralities actually sound kinda cool. They may be sincere religious cranks or they maybe a money-making outfit.
Run around saying offensive things and hope some dumb white "crackers" attack you or get the police after you - then sue their ass off.
To repeat for the Fake News CNN-MMDNC-Hack-Maddow Loyal leftist lie-believers> you know who you are.
Ann said:
"OKAY:
I've watched the key part of the video, and I think this is a whole lot of nothing. The men making the video remind me of religious ranters I've seen in Madison many times. Ordinary people just ignore them, and that's what I'm seeing in the video. The Catholic schoolboys group is large, and they seem to be taking in the free speech forum and doing some sort of cheers on their own, widely separated from "Black Israelites" group. Then the Native American guy enters the space and walks up to the schoolboys beating his drum. The schoolboys react by bouncing along with the beat in a way that seems to welcome the man and include him in their boisterous fun day out in the public square. Shame on the adult professionals who latched onto this as something to make into the big issue of the day. Total fake news. I ignored this yesterday, but my ignoring something doesn't have any effect on the total amount of noise. So I have to speak up and rephrase my silence into words: This is nothing."
The men making the video remind me of religious ranters
This popular portrayal is what likely motivated Adams's temporary bout of diversity.
rcocean wrote: No, they hate [Rep. Stephen] King because of his anti-immigration stands -which displeases the Koch Brothers & the big Republican Donors and the Chamber of Commerce.
That bears repeating and amplification.
My CNN 3 day rule saved me a bunch of time and nuisance. Wait three days before reading or examining a news item. By then the jackasses at CNN and other news outlets will be fact checked and I might get some inkling of what really happened.
These idiots sell trust then do stupid things like this.
Insane crazy angry leftist Neo-Marxist Females with chips on their shoulders ranting and raving while spewing intolerant hatred and fake victimhood + a good dose of Jew-Israel hate Sour-Sore = Democratic hack press love.
Maybe this will be a lesson to the Catholic kids. You behaved like good little Liberals and what did it get you?
Yeah, that' right - you got smeared as Racist/bigot/homophobes.
White kids need to understand. The Liberal MSM doesn't hate you because of what you say, they hate you because you're white & Christian.
Learn it, live it, accept it.
CNN got their pro-democratic lie story. They will not correct it.
rcocean you are so right about Rod Dreher! I have noticed the same thing the last 2 years. He repeatedly keeps falling for the same lefty spin and then belatedly "apologizes" after he's effectively dumped on Trump but no one is that gullible in real life. Is he part of the NR conservative cruise ship navy?
Who doesn't love American Indigian "music" and their song (they only have one that I know of).
The boys are guilty only of being white and male. The jury has ruled.
"This is nothing."
From the woman who also wrote:
"I am touched by the charity of "They were rambunctious.""
Prog propaganda works. That's not nothing.
Could anyone have imagined a few years ago that the expression "Make America Great Again" would be some kind of radical and offensive speech? We have deconstructed ourselves right out of a home, and we stand naked against the elements.
You wingnuts need to listen up. The important thing is don't be passionate.
"And he did go looking for trouble. He's a professional agitator. He camped out on the Mall during the AIM days."
Can you link to something reliable that gives background on this man?
I don't care if he's a Native American activist from way back. That doesn't explain what he had in his head as he walked up to the boys. For all I can see, he wanted to greet the boys and give them a beat to dance to.
"For all I can see, he wanted to greet the boys and give them a beat to dance to."
I mean, that's as good an interpretation as any other, and I believe in giving people a sympathetic reading before jumping to the negative.
Gk1 :
Dreher is not the only one who knee jerks the worst of Trump or conservatives or MAGA hat wearers.
Guy Benson is another one- you'd think he'd learn from his liberal radio show co-host, the far left dopey lib Maria Harf, who never yields an inch to conservatives and never ever criticizes a Dem.
Prog propaganda works. That's not nothing.
An expose of progressive culture and the partisan press.
Full @11:05:
Christ, that petition and those comments. Virtue-signaling is crack cocaine to those people. Reason, prudence, basic decency cannot stand in the way of their getting their next hit. (The followers among them, that is. Among the instigators there are stone-cold sober people who know exactly what they're doing and why.)
They'll destroy everything - communities, families, and finally themselves, probably - to stay high.
"And hasn't been unfortunately, since Sullivan was decided."
New York Times v. Sullivan is about public figures. These boys were not public figures. The libel doctrine you are thinking of is inapplicable.
Man, do I hate fake legal advice.
Gk1: ...but no one is that gullible in real life.
I think Dreher is.
We're doomed, Trump might buys a little more time.
It's easy to make an Indigian weep. Just throw some litter near his feet and watch a single tear run down his high cheekbone. I may do that to Lizzie Warpath.
CNN has not gotten much right in the last 24 hours. To say nothing of the last 24 years. Just who goes to that network for a straight story on anything? If you know someone who does, you should intervene. If you like or love the people you know who watch CNN, it's up to you to help them rejoin reality.
"I mean, that's as good an interpretation as any other, and I believe in giving people a sympathetic reading before jumping to the negative."
Fair enough. I can't read the WAPO article 'Native Drummer Speaks...' What did Phillips say? Was it true?
"This is nothing."
I suppose so, from 30,000 ft.
Nothing to see from here, let's get back to preaching deep thought, precision, and neutrality.
Well, now I know why wwww deleted all her comments last night. To steve uhr's credit, he left his comments up (though he may still trying to figure out how to click on the Adams clip).
Interesting that the Native American "Man in the Middle" didn't walk up to the Black Israelites chanting racist homophobic hate speech to de-escalate the situation with his drum. Guess his survival instincts from being a drummer boy in Vietnam kicked in.
Very late to this scrum, having ignored this story for the obvious reasons. But now that I'm reading about it I wonder why it is that these young men has been routinely and seemingly universally referred to by their religious affiliation.
I think if the facts hadn't come to light then by today they'd start being routinely referred to as the Young Kavanaughs.
We were being told last night that the boys behavior was disgusting and depressing. What's depressing, in the light of day, is here is a group of boys who behaved admirably (how often do you hear that?) and they are being trashed. What a horrible example to set, you adults who did this.
Shame on you lefties.
In DC, one encounters the Black Israelites every so often at the Galley Place Metro entrance. Bizarre, amplified ranting with overtones of violence. They behave as if members of a cult, but I'm not sure if they follow a charismatic leader or are just freelance conspiratorialists.
So a bunch of old men released their toxic masculinity on young boys?
Even if these Catholic boys didn't do what they were portrayed as doing, they're still guilty because they're Catholic. And boys. And taking part in a pro-life march.
Two blog posts and over a hundred comments make me think this is something.
Just change some nominal identities, and see how it works. Make the students a gay student group, or the Indian a White guy in a suit, or a biker, or make the black group into white guys wearing MAGA hats. It changes everything, becuase tribes.
the boys were doing school chants when approached by the drummer
here is a statement from one of the boys
https://twitter.com/AClementsWKRC/status/1086822521012473858
this story is collapsing as fast as the Buzzfeed story. Journalism is dying fast
Ann Althouse said...New York Times v. Sullivan is about public figures. These boys were not public figures. The libel doctrine you are thinking of is inapplicable.
Man, do I hate fake legal advice.
Was it applicable to Brett Kavanaugh?
"I believe in giving people a sympathetic reading"
Sorry, after the Kavanaugh fiasco no one around here buys that anymore.
Some exercise in sympathy here, declaring the false, unjust, public denigration of boys for obvious propagandistic purposes "nothing."
It troubles me that someone comments without watching even the original truncated video. The media, of course, mischaracterizes even the edited video- nothing the boys did amounted to anything to really criticize because the video doesn't even show you who got into who's face- the assumption that it was the old man standing his ground is baseless absent more information. And, of course, more information showed it was the other way around.
The media don't even try to pretend to look for the truth any longer- they just lie even when it can be easily proved as such. I can't imagine having so little respect for my own reputation.
If Gillette needed to contrast well-behaving men with bad ones, they could have used the full video here, and the contrast in shaved good guys versus bearded evil is perfect. What more could you want?
Althouse said..."This is nothing."
This is not nothing (though maybe I'm misunderstanding what your "this" is). This country is being torn apart by partisan strife. Here we have the mainstream media (e.g. CNN) throwing fuel on the fire. Like they do everyday.
So I think we would all be wise to ignore any stories from CNN going forward. They have proven completely unreliable.
I'll say this about MAGA hats. I do not even wear other red baseball hats in the DC area. I did once and for some pretty nasty insults hurled my way until I turned around and explained the hat was for a video game.
This is nothing.
Major international news organizations falsely accusing some kid(s) of "mobbing" some old guy because they're racists influenced by Trump isn't nothing.
If there is any controversy - the hack press will make sure the right people are vilified. The truth does not matter. The truth can be smothered under an avalanche of narrative & bullshit.
If it is nothing, is Adams' fussing about the blacks and natives going after white Christians also fake news?
Or, was Adams correct re the aggression of blacks and natives v white Christians? Hence something.
Imagine how the media would have played this if the old man had been white wearing a MAGA hat while playing a banjo, and boy were black attending a Black Lives Matter march. Does anyone think the media would have characterized the edited video the same way?
"Is he part of the NR conservative cruise ship navy?"
Dreher was up for a "reasonable conservative" slot at the WaPo/NYT but had to decline because of a family issue that kept him in LA. But Yeah, he's part of the "Cucks Ahoy" crowd.
And I just looked and once again we get another Dreher Apology:
"Last night before bed, having only seen those shorter videos, I retweeted a condemnation of these boys. Now I regret that, having seen the whole video, and observing how left-wing activists — some of them Christian — are seizing on this ugly incident to discredit the March For Life, a massive annual event protesting the murder of the unborn."
Well that proves Scott Adams is a conservative. A progressive/leftist would never apologize.
Apologies for the cross-posting, but since we now have two parallel threads going:
"But politically most interesting is the reaction of Althouse and feminist women like her. Here, she first buys the prog line, then claims she presented the truth as she knew it, and then gets all defensive when called on the BS. Part of of it is a personal quirk: being a diva means never having to say you're sorry. But part of it is political: even Althouse, who likes to think of herself as the rational woman in the middle, is easily swayed when the right buttons are pushed. Sure, sometimes she resists--she is not the easy prey progs count on, to her credit. But her reactions show how progs play on her sisters' feelz."
Progs know a fair number of women will fall for the Blasey Ford propaganda, will cry at images of boys in the Gillette propaganda, will find charity in anti-Catholic anti-male propaganda. They know some of those women also pride themselves on their capacity for sympathy. Look for more stories to exploit those sentiments.
I like how it went from being too terrible to even watch (with "rambunctious" being charitable) to nothing. Did you notice when that happened? Kinda like how CNN or MSNBC always handles these "screw ups".
Blogger Matthew Sablan said..."I'll say this about MAGA hats. I do not even wear other red baseball hats in the DC area. I did once and for some pretty nasty insults hurled my way until I turned around and explained the hat was for a video game."
My Dad died a little while ago. I wear his bright red Plumbers Local 167 baseball cap because it reminds me of him. I've gotten nasty comments around Madison from people who thought I was wearing a MAGA hat. Shitty people.
It's basic leftwing propaganda.
The leftwing media need to keep the non-thinking loyalists in a constant state of outrage.
A MAGA cap on a Native American would be beautifully meta.
So, when was the last time there was an MSM story discreditable about a leftist that turned out to be completely wrong?
They have to ramp up the fake news when either the real news makes Republicans look good or the real news makes Democrats look bad. For instance, the real news about the BuzzFeed "bombshell" is that it was a lie, and that made a whole lot of Democrats look bad. Also, hundreds of thousands of people participated in the Right to Life march, peacefully, which made them look good and made the people who hate them look bad.
bagoh20 said...If Gillette needed to contrast well-behaving men with bad ones, they could have used the full video here, and the contrast in shaved good guys versus bearded evil is perfect. What more could you want?
The racial optics are all wrong here. Gillette badly wanted to denigrate white men, so this video won't work.
Points for effort though, bagoh20.
The Catholic angle is useful for Senators Hirono and Harris.
This is battle space prep for May Coney Barrett.
Good bye, RBG.
The left MUST use propaganda to ruin and shame-vilify a simple message like "Make America Great Again" because it worked to beat poor entitled Hillary and her mega-wealthy donors (many of whom are in the hack press)
Althouse said..."AND: The man holding the camera narrates, accusing the schoolboys of "mockery" and so forth. But you're a fool if you watch the video and see what he's telling you to see."
This was my take last night when we were urged to go look at the "depressing", "sickening" video where "punks" were mocking a Native American. Even in the selectively editted video my reaction was "Huh?".
New York Times v. Sullivan is about public figures. These boys were not public figures.
George Zimmerman was a public figure, so I figure that phrase means "somebody the progs especially want to murder". These kids meet that standard.
Completely off-topic, but do you think, like I do, that Tsitsipas is a right-handed tennis player?
Blogger Derek Kite said..."My CNN 3 day rule saved me a bunch of time and nuisance. Wait three days before reading or examining a news item. By then the jackasses at CNN and other news outlets will be fact checked and I might get some inkling of what really happened."
That's great advice.
Typical comment on SF Gate( San Francisco Chronicle) this morning:
"That smirking garbage pail kid needs to have his skinny white behind kicked. I hope he gets doxxed and this follows him around until he's 40."
SF Chronicle comments
"Did you give him a rat sticker?"
I was afraid that might be one exchange too many. Besides, it's not like he offered me a beaver pelt or human head effigy pot or anything. Sadly, as we all know by now, assimilation can be a long slow process.
I did however shout, after putting all my weight behind his rear bumper, his tread finally hooking up with pavement and he began to drive away—“Geronimo!“"
I like how it went from being too terrible to even watch (with "rambunctious" being charitable) to nothing.
One thing that I'm actively trying to avoid and that I'm wary of in other white people is an inability to admit error.
"the NR conservative cruise ship navy"
As bad as Dreher can be, this article must surely be the most massive black hole of cuckservatism in the whole cuckservative universe:
The Covington Students Might as Well Have Just Spit on the Cross
'Snake saves frog from drowning'
Sorry, Professor, but no sale.
Even the still photo they use show that the boys gave Mr. Phillips plenty of space and their faces and body language are in no way threatening.
Especially the young man facing Mr. Phillips; his expression is that of a young man trying to look pleasant and attentive to his elder in a confusing situation.
So I have to speak up and rephrase my silence into words: This is nothing.
No it's not. It is a deliberate attack on White catholic schoolboys that you contributed to. You should be condemning and attacking the activists and the MSM for the attack.
buwaya tells us all the time about the coordination of the propaganda machine.
And here we have a story engineered to negatively portray Catholics.
buwaya informs us that false propaganda may be better than true propaganda.
False propaganda can break the will of the other side.
The falsity hardly matters.
The coordination matters.
We are - all of us - the Green Grocer.
Not Sure said...
"A MAGA cap on a Native American would be beautifully meta."
I like!
If you do not understand the Green Grocer reference:
https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/the-power-of-the-powerless/
I like how people on the Left are all up in the "smirking" kid's grill, berating him for being a little shit, wanting to wipe that smug look off his white, privileged face, yada.
And yet - they embrace the smug, smirking David Hogg...
What is Hogg up to these days anyway?
Face it.
Ann wants to be deceived.
She doesn’t like the people who support trump. She actively looks for reasons to hate.
Now she wants to move on. Nothing to see here. Leftists delete their comments and pretend they weren’t looking for reasons to hate.
Change the skin colors of everyone involved. Change the MAGA hat to a Star of David.
Then you see who the leftists actually are.
The women’s march is led by people actually pushing the final solution. Crickets from the leftists.
Only the names change.
Birkel said...
“buwaya tells us all the time about the coordination of the propaganda machine.
And here we have a story engineered to negatively portray Catholics.“
The Supreme Court is in the balance.
Just standard prep.
I think you know what is going on though.
Can we get an Native-American rat sticker now?
This too.
"What makes a liberal want to punch a child?
The progressive media doesn’t care about what really happened when it has white boys in MAGA caps to hate"
https://spectator.us/liberal-punch-child/
"Native American?"
Nope. No more native than the Europeans.
As real context reveals, the democratic media narrative collapses.
From your link, dreams...
"The narrative assumed that the Covington boys had surrounded Philips and stood right in his face, grinning in silent insult. When a second video seemed to show that it was in fact Phillips who had approached the teens, it received even less attention — much as those few voices of caution about BuzzFeed’s fable were ignored by the true believers. But there are more videos, including one that’s nine-minutes long and provides a great deal of interesting context."
Sebastian said...
carefully written based only what I know, which is what I'm always doing around here
"Sorry. After the CBF fiasco, no one around here buys that anymore."
I think you are mistaken. But her archives are right over there in the sidebar. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Ann concludes: "It's a microcosm of fake news, and big media responded and amplified."
So true. So far I see no corrections running in the Washington Post, USA Today, NPR, or NYT, all of which ran with the story. That is the real story and it needs to be covered. It's so sad.
more...
The videos appear to depict more than one engagement between the Indians and the Catholic teens, and without knowing which happened first, and what circumstances led to the first encounter, it’s hard to form any conclusions, if fairness is your objective. Maybe the teens chanted ‘Build the wall!’ or something else at the Indian activists, which prompted Phillips to approach them. But so far, there’s no evidence to support that scenario, only the words of Phillips and his associates. That hasn’t stopped blue-checkmark media figures like former CNN blatherskite Reza Aslan from not only branding the teens as racists but in Aslan’s case musing about inflicting violence on them:
Someone who works at CNN calls out the kids as being punch-able.
Paco: As bad as Dreher can be, this article must surely be the most massive black hole of cuckservatism in the whole cuckservative universe:
The Covington Students Might as Well Have Just Spit on the Cross
Criminy. I would have thought that there was no way any degree of cuckiness displayed in the National Cuckservative could surprise me, but this made my jaw drop.
"I was right"
"It was nothing" <--- you are here (that's the best she can do)
"I was wrong"
The shots of the boys in the end made me cry.
More from Dreams' link:
(thanks)
"Rhetorical questions about punching kids? Imagine the response of Aslan’s professional friends if he’d asked that about, say, one of the high schoolers campaigning for gun control after the Parkland, Florida shootings. Or imagine Aslan saying that about any teenager who’s not wearing a MAGA hat. Nonviolence and protecting children don’t apply when you’re an enemy to the woke, enlightened left."
Well, these cocksucking lefties had their fun, got on the tv. Now the kids have to go back to KY and face the PC bullshit which will be ladled out by Althouse like clergy at the boys school who will let CNN decide their fate. In no event will they get off with no punishment.
Boys will be boys. No fucking more.
And did the Lakota "people" even have drums and how would our pro Lakota victim Indian know how they played them. Some horseshit "oral tradition" or just made up from watching the tv? Their "culture" did not involve notating music. Or anything else for that matter.
More from Dream's link. Which is excellent.
"And another double-standard bears mention, as well: watch the rest of the nine-minute video with the Covington teens after the encounter with the Indian activists. Also on the scene are a group of Black Hebrew Israelites, a crackpot sect that takes this occasion to spew gay-baiting rhetoric at the Covington teenagers. This part of the Covington’s teens’ experience in Washington, D.C. has somehow gone unmentioned in most media, and the social justice enforcers on Twitter have not paid any attention at all to the hate explicitly vented here — certainly nothing like the outrage lavished on the Phillips-Covington incident.
But try to imagine for a minute that instead of black separatist leader ‘General Yahanna’ (for it seems to be he) asking teens, ‘You proud of sodomy? You look like a product of sodomy!’, someone in a MAGA hat saying that. Do you think it would get a little more coverage? Do you think Reza Aslan would start fantasizing about tossing punches? I can tell you for damn sure he’s not going to punch General Yahanna, and not just for reasons of political correctness. It’s a lot easier to bully high-school student than angry militants.
"Can we get an Native-American rat sticker now?"
I found this on the internet:
"If Rat is your Animal Totem;
You are easy going and happy. You are a social animal as well as disarmingly honest, frank and easy to get along with. You are highly co-operative with others in joint endeavors. You have a tendency to wear your heart on your sleeve – however you are also able to maintain self control. You have the gift of foresight and know how to use it successfully for your own benefit. You are cunning and shrewd in business and are unafraid to defend yourself in any situation. You love a good challenge so that you can vanquish another obstacle. You are a wise adviser to your associates and you teach others to appreciate all the things around us."
@Althouse, when you first put this post up I was thinking “non-apologetic apology,” even with the update. However I think your two ANDs and the OKAY, you seem to have reverted to your favored neutral stance.
Note for you, Althouse, with applicability to Adams: if CNN says that Ann Althouse is alive and well and living in Madison, check your pulse and call up your GPS coordinates. The alleged journalists at CNN, the Times, the Post, etc. lie regularly and routinely. Is there a point when you internalize that reality?
But then you wrote this: “I believe in giving people a sympathetic reading before jumping to the negative.”
No, you don’t. You may think you do, but you don’t. The Catholic kids from Kentucky are just the latest instance where you slipped up.
> I believe in giving people a sympathetic reading before jumping to the negative.
What sympathetic reading did you give the school boys with Trump hat?
Did you project any sympathetic "maybe" for them?
Monkey brains jump to fight or flight on visual symbols
"hat" vs "Indian costume"
sheepish grin vs blank look
told "vietnam war vet"
Missed threatening blacks and counter protestor agitator with camera man in tow
" give them a beat to dance to" Did you give it a five or higher Ann? I would give it a 2, no lyrics, not even an uga uga or do-wop.
'
maybe they will all go to Duke and be on the LACROSSE team
(btw, why are whites allowed to play this game?)
It is not lies.
It is propaganda.
Lies is too narrow a focus.
Expand the boundaries for a 10,000 foot view.
Meade said...
Sebastian said...
carefully written based only what I know, which is what I'm always doing around here
"Sorry. After the CBF fiasco, no one around here buys that anymore."
“I think you are mistaken. But her archives are right over there in the sidebar. Feel free to prove me wrong.“
Ann fount CBF “credible.”
She found “I don’t remember the day or the house or who was there 30 years ago and everyone I named says I am a liar” credible.
Ann wants to be deceived. She is a sexist bigot.
I have been called worse repeatedly by people like Ann for far less all my life.
Until people like Ann grow up and learn some self awareness we are all forced to suffer from a MSM and a popular culture, driven by people who hate our country, that feeds on her sexism and bigotry.
"The Catholic kids from Kentucky are just the latest instance where you slipped up."
it's a bad habit of hers
Yes it seems Nathan Phillips and other Native Americans took their planned drum /song performance and stepped between the antagonistic Black fundamental bible preachers and the teens to calm things down, but as Phillips said in an interview he felt block and intimidated by the youth. As I looked at the scene, the MAGA youth seems smug and sees to refuse to let him pass. And it is interesting to note that Covington Catholic Diocese stated, " We condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students. All said it is not a nothing story, but another example of the incivility of our times.
We've got to look for the structural causes of these youths' insolence.
They were in DC for the so-called "March for Life," clearly inspired and encouraged by the Catholic Church to believe in the superior morality of their hopelessly misogynistic views. They are mere dupes, pushed into wrongthink by the world's foremost white-male-dominated organization, one that has sought to manipulate people for over two millennia. Their school will try to, um, whitewash the church's role by denouncing these youths, but the real enemy is clear, citizens.
Let's not get tunnel vision. This blog is great and Ann Althouse is amazing.
roesch/voltaire and wwww continue to think the fault might lie with the Catholics.
Never mind the video evidence, I say!
#Sad
The remaining pearl-clutchers are advised not to watch the Chiefs game tonight.
White Christian males?
They'd probably get attacked as being racist and violent just for standing there.
Oh, they did.
The Covington Catholic Diosese will look way deeper into this than into allegations of butt fucking priests. You can count on that. This is a blessing, a nice diversion.
Birkel I think the incivility extends to the fundamentalist preachers and the Youth Catholic and other wise, but not Nathan Phillips.
Anonymity makes cowards courageous. Too bad it doesn't give them sanity or wisdom.
Bullying is the penchant of brownshirts, Schlumpeters, and other ruffians. I can't say "trumpeters" because that refers to the musicians, who aren't ordinarily bullies, although they do blow Trump's horn. Throw in some antisemitism, racism, or your basic prick behavior and someone may get hurt, or 6,000,000 may be exterminated. I wasn't referring to the Jews who died in the holocaust, but to wildlife killed on a daily basis by sadistic rednecks, hunters, and trappers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Botti
http://www.lifedaily.com/10-of-the-most-famous-trumpet-players-of-all-time/
Merriam Webster definition of prick used above: 5) slang, vulgar : a spiteful or contemptible man often having some authority
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