Scott Adams apologizes for believing @CNN about the Covington Catholic Boys fake news. With coffee. https://t.co/Izg0tq4YkB— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 20, 2019
... because I realize that my idea of what happened — which you're jumping on me about in the comments to the previous post — was influenced by listening to what Scott Adams said about it yesterday...
So do I need to apologize for believing Scott Adams? Not exactly. My post — "The man in the middle" — is carefully written based only what I know, which is what I'm always doing around here. I wasn't a tube channeling what went through Scott Adams from CNN. I protect myself from that sort of thing. But the way in which I wrote around my lack of knowledge was influenced by what Scott Adams said yesterday, and he's apparently backing off from all that.
I can't watch the first video yet, because it's a live-stream until he gets done and I entered after the relevant part.
By the way, one thing that I'm actively trying to avoid and that I'm wary of in other white people is a patronizing, sentimental attitude toward Native Americans.
UPDATE: The live stream is over now, so I'm watching the new video. First, Adams observes that on the very day when MSM were observing their own screw-up over the BuzzFeed fake news about the Mueller investigation, they were falling into another fake news story. Next, Adams admits, "I totally got taken by it," and begins what he calls "an extended explanation/apology."
He says he's now seen "extended video" and declares everything CNN reported to be "absolutely fake news." And it was the "worst kind" of fake news, because "They didn't even get the good guys and the bad guys right."
Adams believed, based on the CNN reports, that the "Native American man was awesome," because he came between 2 groups of antagonistic youths and "de-escalated" a conflict, and he called them "assholes." Scott refrains from repeating the a-word in the new video, substituting the word "jerks." Now, he says, based on longer video, "That is completely not what happened."
The most important thing that CNN did not report, Adams says, is that the African American group — the Black Israelites — were being "flat-out racist." On the extended video, you can hear them calling the Catholic schoolboys "crackers" and (repeatedly) "school shooters."
The Black Israelites denounced Democrats as "racist." "You didn't see that on CNN," Adams laughs. The black protesters were, Adams says, "overtly anti-white." "They were also anti-gay" and "used anti-gay slurs," and the Catholic schoolboys "spontaneously and unanimously pushed back against an anti-gay statement" — "They were offended." The Catholic schoolboys were smiling, "didn't look angry," and "were all well-behaved," Adams says.
CNN presented the elderly Native American man as coming between the 2 groups of youths, but, Adams says now, that "definitely didn't happen" — "He was just kind of doing his own thing... He was causing trouble. He was not looking to stop it. He was very obviously looking to cause trouble... He looked like he was escalating the situation, not de-escalating." [ADDED: I have now watched that part of the video, and I have nothing to say about what that man had going on in his head.]
Adams now interpret the boys as seeing the old man as "all part of the fun." "They were just sort of dancing around because he was dancing around." Adams stresses that the old man approached the boys — got "in their faces." The Catholic schoolboys "did not back up," which is what created the viral video image from which the fake news was manufactured.
Adams notes that CNN still has the story in fake form on its front page "Teens in Make America Great Again hats taunted Native American elder" and I'm seeing that now, at 11:30 ET:
According to Adams, in the extended video, you see a large group and only about 10% of them have MAGA hats, and, more importantly, they do not taunt the man. I guess CNN isn't afraid of libel suits.
Maybe Adams is worried about libel suits. He says, "I'm going to do a full 180 on you.... This is the most complete apology you're ever going to see from anybody. I couldn't have been more wrong about this group of kids. These kids kept their composure, stayed on the right side of every issue, avoided trouble, and never lost their smiles." But he still thinks "It was a mistake to wear their MAGA hats in public, because you know that's going to cause trouble and it probably did."
AND: Let me quote EDH (from the comments in the previous post):
Most of the kids seemed to be chanting with the drum beat, albeit in an irreverent way, but more jocular than threatening.I'll embed the 1 hour and 45 minute video, which I clicked on and watched less than a second of before clicking off:
That's why I'd like to see what's on either end of that edited video clip, especially the genesis and termination of the encounter.
And who was the president that said "I want you to argue with them. Get in their face"?
I may watch it eventually.
OKAY: I've watched the key part of the video, and I think this is a whole lot of nothing. The men making the video remind me of religious ranters I've seen in Madison many times. Ordinary people just ignore them, and that's what I'm seeing in the video. The Catholic schoolboys group is large, and they seem to be taking in the free speech forum and doing some sort of cheers on their own, widely separated from "Black Israelites" group. Then the Native American guy enters the space and walks up to the schoolboys beating his drum. The schoolboys react by bouncing along with the beat in a way that seems to welcome the man and include him in their boisterous fun day out in the public square. Shame on the adult professionals who latched onto this as something to make into the big issue of the day. Total fake news. I ignored this yesterday, but my ignoring something doesn't have any effect on the total amount of noise. So I have to speak up and rephrase my silence into words: This is nothing.
AND: The man holding the camera narrates, accusing the schoolboys of "mockery" and so forth. But you're a fool if you watch the video and see what he's telling you to see. It's a microcosm of fake news, and big media responded and amplified.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 492 Newer› Newest»There's such a thing as false light defamation and this looks like it to me. I try to initially withhold judgment on stories like this because so often they turn out to be fake news. I think this example is especially contemptible because these accused boys are barely even teens. They are one step out of childhood. No wonder they didn't understand the situation.
wwww: "I was called anti-semitic. I believe the commenter lied deliberately, and not due to a reading problem."
Laughably false.
I specifically pointed out that my comment related to the March for Chicks.
Explicitly.
But lefties dont do "explicit" anymore.
All said it is not a nothing story, but another example of the incivility of our times.
There would be less incivility if people just did what the Left told them, with no backtalk.
There is now an active on-line campaign to get these kids blacklisted from colleges.
No way this country rights itself without bloodshed.
Birkel I think the incivility extends to the fundamentalist preachers and the Youth Catholic and other wise, but not Nathan Phillips.
R/V polishes off an oldie but goodie “All of the assholes are on the other side!”
Did you learn that in your philosophy book club of the preternaturally intelligent?
And of course, Trumpit has to show up and spread his absurdities. Can only be a matter of time before PPPT chimes in. Just for the record, the Catholic boys did nothing wrong, the propaganda machines have done their due diligence and promoted the false narrative. The antisemitism, racism, intolerance and promotion of violence all emanate from the progressives, as usual.
There would be less incivility if people just did what the Left told them, with no backtalk.
They were supposed to scatter like a flock of chickens before his awesome authenticity and terrible swift tom tom.
r/V: Yes it seems Nathan Phillips and other Native Americans took their planned drum /song performance and stepped between the antagonistic Black fundamental bible preachers and the teens to calm things down, but as Phillips said in an interview he felt block and intimidated by the youth.
Yeah, that seems to be the latest prog revision making the rounds after it became apparent that their first effort at vicious slander might not have been completely successful.
And it is interesting to note that Covington Catholic Diocese stated, "We condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students. All said it is not a nothing story, but another example of the incivility of our times.
As an example of just how craven and irresponsible school administrators and Catholic progs can be, yeah, it's "interesting".
And to prove I'm not biased, I will still root for the Chiefs today against the Patriots. To quote the Wicked Witch: "What a world"
Getting caught out twice in a week has take its toll even on Trumpit, who goes Godwin on us. That’s projection Trumpit, brownshirts made their name bringing violence to otherwise peaceful demonstrations. Any disinterested person can see who is bringing the discord here.
wwww.... sorry, but your comments that a teacher needed to tell the students to "come here and calm down" and "rowdy behavior" DO suggest that you think they exhibited bad behavior. There is no basis for that, and acting as if the kids behaved badly but that's the teachers' fault doesn't change the essential accusation that the kids misbehaved. They. Did. Not.
The boys are being Kavanaughed.
I do agree with Althouse, even down to the bold This is nothing!
What is not nothing is that it is being broadcast across America, not just “fake news” but an outright lie.
Just a point of clarification: Trump is NOT a trumpeter, although he is most certainly a big prick.
I've heard about' Jewish guilt '
Is there also ' Catholic guilt '
so is the "march for life" weekend.
Catholic school kids show up in DC.
performance art agitators
dress up
(Did Indians practice abortion?)
and arrive seeking confrontation.
They run over to the MAGA hats to get in someone's face
They really wanted someone white in a MAGA hat to push them back...
But they had to settle for a mona lisa smile - some viewers see smirking white privilege, some see natural embarrassed reaction to public confrontation - does the kid from KY know this is a setup?
One clip makes the news, add in a factoid that is a Vietnam Vet (there for the wall, right?)
And you get get everyone to DENOUNCE... mayor, catholics, Althouse, Adams, and the lefties can run wild on privilege...
But there was more video... whu oh!
I will still root for the Chiefs today against the Patriots.
Patriots? You mean the “Pats” the Gillette Nancy Boys? Or should we call them the Gillette Nagging Scolds?
As of right now, every top entry for this topic under Google News / US still headlines that the Covington boys are at fault.
This is the first time in history that a group of people "mobbed" and surrounded a man simply by standing still.
Attack on Catholics battle space prep for anticipated Amy Coney Barrett nomination?
s there also ' Catholic guilt '
There's always been Catholic guilt. Now there's presumptive Catholic guilt.
Blogger Fred Drinkwater said...
As of right now, every top entry for this topic under Google News / US still headlines that the Covington boys are at fault.
Right. This stuff is difficult to fight when the other side owns the media and the non involved people don’t even consider the possibility that we are being fed a line of total bullshit by partisans of one side.
Don’t worry though, there will be compensating errors. Right? Right....?
"This stuff is difficult to fight..."
The unbearable asymmetry of bullshit.
I still love how they claim Nathan Phillips was a Vietnam Vet, and tell us he is 64. He must have enlisted prior to 1972, when he was 18, which makes him a baby killer, doesn't it? Not to mention that our troops were out of Vietnam by 1972, except for using airpower to assist South Vietnam during the Easter Offensive.
This is something.
That something however is not boys behaving badly.
Breaking - a pack of women who are too afraid to fly are calling out all those evil catholic boys as rapists. Avenatti is their lawyer. Next on CNN.
Incidentally, all those folks streaming over our southern border are not a bunch of Presbyterians and Lutherans.
You're still interacting with another human in a way that is immoral.
Nobody is behaving "immorally" toward you, 4-dub. (You can delete your own comments so nobody can check what you said 'til the cows come home, but nobody has to take your word for it about what you allege other people wrote; we can see for ourselves.)
A blog thread is not the appropriate place for you to be working through your emotional issues. It's certainly not "immoral" for you to do so, but it is damned juvenile.
Rule #1: Never accept a CNN report at face value. Never. Same goes for the rest of them.
Char Char Binks: "This is the first time in history that a group of people "mobbed" and surrounded a man simply by standing still."
And said nothing....while smiling....and nodding along with the drumming....
So, you know, obviously they are nazi's in training.....
#LeftyLLRRules
August 11, 1972 was the day the last ground combat troops left Vietnam. Air Force, Navy, and support troops,remained. Don't know when the last troops were sent there.
He could easily be a "Vietnam era vet," which practically demands to be shortened to "Vietnam vet."
Ann,
Based on the history of media misrepresentation, especially the past three years with Trump, you should have been more skeptical about this.
Althouse never goes to the next step.
What did this man want to achieve? A lying distortive video? Was he trying to egg someone on to hit him so he could be the perma-victim? What happens to those doxed kids now? Since it is 'nothing' Althouse, like Pilate, can wash her hands of caring of the consequences of these lies.
Same as Christine Blasey Ford. What are the consequences of her statements to her? She is half a million dollars or more richer! What are the consequences for Kavanaugh? Althouse has no fucks to give for him and the damage CBF did and tried to make worse.
That is not equality. That is 'one side gets to lie and always gets a mulligan', Madam Althouse.
roesch/voltaire
And I think you wish to smear young people for no damned reason except your sick politics
Agree to think you're an ass hole.
"You don't get that close to protesters."
Define "protester". Isn't everybody involved here a "protester" of one sort or another?
Define "close to". If I'm standing in a public place, minding my own business, and somebody starts hurling insults at me, or pushes into my personal space and starts banging a drum, what should I do? Run away? What if there isn't any "away", because hostile people are coming after me?
Not sure, I agree, he could have been in Vietnam, but how likely would it have been he enlisted, completed basic training and was assigned to a unit in Vietnam, all while turning 18 in the year 1972. Even if his birthday was January 1, it's at best unlikely.
The sad state of our media is the Chuck Todd type of denial. Almost everything the media reports now starts with an Anti-Trump bias and bleeds from there.
hiccup
Even when they are caught red-handed - they still deny their pathetic bias.
You don't get that close to protesters.
I guess they were supposed to run as he approached.
"I think the incivility extends to the fundamentalist preachers and the Youth Catholic and other wise, but not Nathan Phillips."
Funny, it seems pretty clear to me that Phillips and the "Black Israelites" (or whatever they call themselves) were being very uncivil, and the high school kids were attempting to either a. mind their own business or b. defuse the situation.
wwww thinks standing stationary is bad behavior.
I hope you like the world you are building for your own kids.
May they never practice not just WrongThink but also not WrongStandingThereMindingTheirOwnBusiness.
Absolutely awful propaganda you support.
Blogger wwww said...
"sorry, but your comments that a teacher needed to tell the students to "come here and calm down" and "rowdy behavior" DO suggest that you think they exhibited bad behavior."
I'd call it uninformed or ignorant or teenage behaviour that should have been guided by a adult. It's not unusual for a group of teenagers to act immaturely. That's why adult supervision is important. This was not a sports arena. It was the Lincoln Memorial. You don't get that close to protesters. You avoid conflict in strange cities. Your chaperones help minors avoid conflict and dangerous situations.
And, yes, I do believe they were too rowdy at the Lincoln Memorial but that's a very minor issue. A good chaperone would have calmed them down and prevented them from interacting with crazy-seeming protesters. There are people yelling on street corners in WA DC and yeah adults have a responsibility to prevent minors from interacting with them.
The adults failed to protect these children. It's obvious they failed. Video has gone viral that is hurting these children. Just 1 parent who had said, "hey let's back up here. Let's give some room. Let's walk over here as a group away from the protesters." That chaperone would have changed the entire dynamic and prevented that video. I do not think adults were present. These kids were on their own in a confusing environment.
Beyond everything else, the lack of supervision by adults failed the students because WA DC is not a safe city. These kids were from out of town & not familiar with the dangers of the city.
Should Trump invite the Covington boys for cookies and milk summit?
People being blamed for shit they didn't do.
You leftists have no idea what's coming down the pike if you keep this up.
None.
I specifically pointed out that my comment related to the March for Chicks.
I explained why the March for Life was so significant to me, and you constructed the comment to mean that I was talking about that other march.
You claimed I was talking about that march when I wrote about the March for Life. I wrote a sincere comment discussing the importance of the March for Life, why it's significant for minors, and why i was upset by this situation going viral. Another commenter wanted to know why I cared so much about the incident and I clearly stated the MARCH FOR LIFE.
You said I was anti-semitic. You said I was talking about the woman's march. You are LYING. Or you did not read my comment, in which I discussed the March for Life several times. It was at the very top of my comment where I listed why I was so concerned about this incident.
Which is it? Did you LIE? Or did you neglect to read my comment? I'm sick of your dishonest behaviour.
I hope the boys take Robert Barnes up on his offer to represent them.
1;48 PM was a quote of wwww.
wwww said...
And really, the absurdity of the situation got to me. All of my comments were about this situation. It had nothing to do with the women's march. All of my comments had to do with the March for Life. The LIE was so absurd. I wanted to know if he had a reading issue, or if he was deliberately lying.
I don't understand people who act in such a manner. Really, I don't get the lying and adolescent dominance plays on this blog. It's confusing to me what you get out of it.
I also don't understand the swearing and the cruelty. I mean, you all are anonymous but it still defines who you are. You're still interacting with another human in a way that is immoral.
1/20/19, 12:56 PM
A charging foul is a common form of an offensive foul. The referee will call a charging foul when the offensive player runs into a defensive player who has already established a position on the floor.
Bet the blacks were mighty impressed by that Indigenous rhythm.
BOOM-boom-BOOM-boom-BOOM-boom.
It’s not fair to argue with R/V. He is so many levels above us in intelligence, as he himself avers from time to time, that we troglos don’t really even understand the stuff he is saying. Above him is Guildofcannonballs, who may be communicating from a parallel universe accessible only to the most towering intellect.
If Nathan Phillips is 64, when did he serve in Vietnam?
No doubt he didn't serve in Vietnam. His version of events, linked to by CNN, are a gigantic pack of lies as shown by the videos. The guy is a scam artist.
There is now an active on-line campaign to get these kids blacklisted from colleges.
Limiting their choices to the sane colleges might be doing them a favor. I wouldn't go back to my school, as it is and I am now.
"I go back and forth about what I ought to do"
On an unmoderated forum like this blog, you are inevitably going to get unkind comments, pretty much no matter what you write. If the comment is from someone with a history of writing low- or no-value comments, the only real thing you can do is just ignore them. Some people (including me) find value in the Blog Comment Killfile extension – once installed and used properly, comments from low-value commenters don't even show up. It's not perfect – it only works when you view comments from the blog post's main page, not the comments page – but it's a lot better than nothing, IMHO.
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#MeToo, Ralph L.
4-dub:
Honestly, it's something I'm wrestling with as a Christian. It's why I delete. Should I be interacting with people who act in a way I find to be dishonest?
You don't strike me as being more honest than the people you're slamming here. (Your reasons for your delete frenzies, in particular, come across as dishonest.)
More confused, maybe. Emotionally overwrought and thereby prone to misreading those people's remarks, maybe. Maybe, as a Christian, you should wrestle with *that*.
It seems, to be morally consistent, I ought to do the same in other arenas of life.
Ya think? I mean, if so many people here are as satanically evil as you seem to think.
There are many good people on the blog, but there are some who are dishonest, cruel and nihilistic in their behaviour.
Maybe. Or maybe you're just being a pharisaical git?
If I was Hillsdale College, I would offer these kids scholarships.
"those whites should be more respectful of our nation's Disingenuous Peoples groups"
If you idiots would give me a mere $2,000,000 I could recreate this 100 times and guarantee
"colorblind" don't sound so pretty no more to not only whites, but the Progs pushing themselves.
49 States. CA not MN this time.
$2,000,000.
"I'd call it uninformed or ignorant or teenage behaviour that should have been guided by a adult. It's not unusual for a group of teenagers to act immaturely. That's why adult supervision is important. "
Adults have to follow them eveywhere they go? The kids said they were told to meet at the Lincoln Memorial to board the bus. I don't see the problem.
This is part and parcel with not letting kids walk to school, not letting kids play at a park near their home, etc. It produces immaturity.
I think some of these commenters are too hard on Althouse and Rod Dreher and Scott Adams. I'm pro-life, I've been in that March many times, I knew that I had never seen the kind of behavior that was being alleged. Yet I thought it might have happened. I interpreted the first video as the voiceover and the captions wanted me to. And I was horrified. Yes, I did look around for an explanation, yes I did find the longer video and the first early explanations before I said anything. So the first thing I said: "Another day, another lefty lie." But relatives and people I know were in that March that day, they go to Catholic schools, they wear MAGA hats. I had every reason to look for an explanation before I spoke. At the time I thought Althouse was being pretty reasonable because she wasn't leaping in with anti-Catholic comments or being visibly gleeful at a chance to bash prolifers.
It's just no use demanding that Althouse be a partisan hack; it won't happen for either side. "Althouse is being insufficiently partisan to satisfy the more ardent spirits on both sides who read her" is always going to be an available topic. Maybe it should be a new keyword? "Insufficiently partisan".
That said, yes, this seems like battle space preparation for Amy Coney Barrett (RBG is not coming back!! or not for long). And it seems to me, the lies are getting bigger and bolder but as they get bigger they get more flimsy.
GuidoCannabis, you got it, bud.
Let us know where to send the check.
The school should be glad to have a boy who stands his ground politely against a space-invading, noisy, and probably smelly old man backed up by a TV camera and a chick with a ring through her nose.
truth telling =/= partisan
"It's just no use demanding that Althouse be a partisan hack; it won't happen for either side."
Very well said, wildswan. And absolutely true.
wildswan,
Your first instinct was healthy skepticism.
That is the standard we want Althouse and Adams to abide.
Every now and then each will fail and we will mention that failure.
Not Fake News.
This is Propaganda.
Read Pravda for news.
Read Izvestia for truth.
Beware the mild mannered Green Grocer.
wwww: "I explained why the March for Life was so significant to me, and you constructed the comment to mean that I was talking about that other march."
Again, laughably false as my first comment did not specify which march and my immediate next comment explicitly called out the March for Chicks.
You are now heaping lie upon lie in order to gain.....something I suppose.
Not a great couple of days for the lefties and their fake news, so I guess all that is left for you little exposed fascists is to simply stack the lies up as high as a.......wall.....
As I have said so often, it is a propaganda system.
It will use whatever material it can find, and if there is nothing it will invent it.
There is no arguing with it.
This all is just throw-weight. Anything will do.
The effect comes from volume and velocity.
The expensive part is creating and maintaining the machine that gives you volume and velocity.
There is no such thing as laws or morals or ethics or manners or philosophy in this. Propaganda systems are made for wars. Which is what you've got.
But what happens when the media becomes so deeply partisan toward the Left that a proper level of skepticism and respect for truth becomes indistinguishable from partisanship toward the Right?
Cause here's a hint: the media passed that point decades ago. We are well past the point where any assumption that the media is anything other than pure false propaganda for the Left requires active bias in favor of the Left.
I never worry if I believe Althouse has interpreted a story incorrectly because she has established a long and consistent track record of absorbing new facts, reevaluating her earlier takes and then correcting the record regardless of whose ox gets gored.
In a very real sesnse, and you dont have to agree with every opinion she has, when it comes to factual matters Althouse is easily in the top tier of reputable news and analysis sources.
Birkel: "Beware the mild mannered Green Grocer."
May a billion more Havels emerge....
Now the line is that the boys are guilty no matter what because white people vs brown people.
buwaya is right. Soon they are going to be dragging Trump off to jail while Hillary cackles and crows.
It does not matter if you are correct.
It does not matter if you have every law and justice itself on your side.
It does not matter if you are the sinned-against and not the sinner.
You cannot win an argument if you cannot win a war.
If you are overwhelmed you will be conquered, enslaved, reprogrammed or exterminated, as is the historical rule. Then you will simply be incapable of an argument at all.
The fate of the American Indian should be a lesson. Vae victis.
@Meade:
"carefully written based only what I know, which is what I'm always doing around here
"Sorry. After the CBF fiasco, no one around here buys that anymore."
“I think you are mistaken""
Sorry, Meade. I suspect you and I, having a cold beer somewhere, could agree on most things, but not this.
In dealing with Kavanaugh, Althouse was not "careful" and did not draw conclusions based "only" on what she "knew."
It was eye-opening for many commenters here, and we said so at the time. That cannot be undone.
But it does help to put the current episode in perspective. After Althouse fell for an egregious misrepresentation, she declared the kerfuffle "nothing" instead of forthrightly apologizing; after participating in the defamation of innocent victims, she paraded her superior capacity for sympathy and careful writing instead of exhibiting a smidgen of shame.
Indians are purposefully taciturn. You'll never know what they're thinking.
Tank immediately commented that this was fake news. All too convenient + CNN.
Obama did encourage the "Argue and get in their face." To his credit that's a lot better than what is happening.
*Fire alarms when someone says something a leftist doesn't want to hear.
*Antfia fascists in masks and bully sticks
*media lies and half-truths spinning anti-Trump narrative
"The adults failed to protect these children."
Don't worry wwww I'll protect the fuck out of you.
I just did, before the fact in fact.
Refugees will too, because they know how great your soul is, and how much you hate racist racism. There is no problem your hatred of racism can't solve, but be wary of failing to condemn the racistly racists, otherwise Climate Change will not stop.
And climate change is bad, so America needs at least 70% of people that look like you do wwww so we don't manchange our climate, which is right where we are 100% certain it should be without any alterations by man (nor God).
Nobody is upset over the cray cray racist garbage spewing from the folks who happen to be brown.
I too laughed because it sounds like standard crazy urban street theater we've all heard out of the mouths of crazy people. But yes - the white boys are guilty guilty guilty.
Jesus is coming and he will kick white cracker ass. I learned that today.
Believe.
@Althouse: "It's a microcosm of fake news, and big media responded and amplified."
Yes. For a reason.
This is nothing..... except where is your apology for your crap article. Seems to be missing...That is something
Trump is a phenomenon. He is the sort of unusual person that breaks larger processes, force-starts new ones, and whose hand writes what thereafter cannot be erased. Its the "great man" view of history, with the caveat that "great men" are rare. Things go as they do due to larger processes, and then a "great man" comes along and, for a while, things get strange.
The thing about "great men" though is that they usually come to a bad end. They are often reactionary to a great process. They are often a very temporary respite, a speed bump. They are Stilicho and Aetius, Skanderbeg and John Hunyadi.
I responded to a facebook post with a conservative site's video of the event - it was poo-pooed of course. "You can't believe anything from that site." Then I showed a different video from a libertarian site and suggested it be watched in context to see the Native Man walk up to the kids - crickets. I just linked this blog post as well. I suspect there will be no response. We can't disrupt the narrative, after all. I'm waiting to see if anyone unfriends me over it.
There is now an active on-line campaign to get these kids blacklisted from colleges.
Their lives must be destroyed by the leftwing Marxist fascist brownshirt machine.
tim in vermont said...
buwaya is right. Soon they are going to be dragging Trump off to jail while Hillary cackles and crows.
Perhaps, but I don't think there will be joy in Hillary's life, even with this. I think she is old and bitter and can't let go of what she was denied.
Will the school's administration be punished for rushing to judgement against its own students? I hope some parents are outraged and not cowed.
Hillary is irrelevant. We are observing larger processes, any individual involved (save for the exceptional, the "great man", of which at the moment in the US, there is only Trump), is just another particle in the flow. If not the Clintons it would have been some other. The Clintons are not unique.
Its (almost) always a mistake to obsess about individuals. It is a failure of perspective.
Ralph L,
I hope the parents bankrupt the school that would not protect students from lies.
There is now an active on-line campaign to get these kids blacklisted from colleges.
and in addition, the doxxing, etc.
Is this the "nothing" that Ann referred to?
(please not: "the incident was nothing-- I never said the repercussions were nothing)
Lefties Collectivists like AOC want the whole loaf.
There is no compromise with such people.
Given power they will kill or be killed (maybe even metaphorically, if we are lucky).
Compromise with such people gets you 3/4 to their goal: domination by them.
The stakes are clear and no amount of bargaining changes that fact.
Here we are, the institutions that protected us largely broken.
Fuck!
I never worry if I believe Althouse has interpreted a story incorrectly because she has established a long and consistent track record of absorbing new facts, reevaluating her earlier takes and then correcting the record regardless of whose ox gets gored.
In a very real sesnse, and you dont have to agree with every opinion she has, when it comes to factual matters Althouse is easily in the top tier of reputable news and analysis sources.
I agree she is better than most news sources and is far less partisan than most of the line up at CNN.
This is not a particularly high or noteworthy bar.
However I continue to question and resent these one sided choices. She lost her reputation with me over the Kavanaugh hearing. When we don't know who is telling the truth, we have well established principles for dealing with such a legal issue. She TAUGHT this! And she refused to apply them with her laughable 'cruel neutrality'.
Which makes her a soft partisan, not a hard one. But still a partisan. If RBG kicks it, look for ZERO neutral analysis on the positives of the candidate and see broad benefit of the doubt offered to the critics and character assassins. She did it against Kavanaugh because 'abortion'.
Why would she stop now?
It is valuable to the liberal consensus to make an example of these boys.
The campaign to hound them, interfere with their futures, is what we have seen expanding and extending greatly. Its gone from the top ranks to the middle, and down to technical workers, to college kids, and now schoolboys. Expect a lot more.
If they can be made to suffer it would be especially valuable to the liberal consensus if they are "innocent". If they can freely persecute the innocent, they can induce people to pre-emptively shut up and cower.
wwww makes this argument well, probably inadvertently. Pre-emptive surrender of public spaces out of fear. Cowering.
Nobody is asking Althouse to be a right wing hack. She's a University professor for Christ's sake. It's virtually impossible. Anybody who has read this blog for a short time knows that's not who she is. Some of us just get disappointed when ego gets in the way of true neutrality. The criticism, at least by me, is a call for some self-reflection. We don't want blind agreement, but we also wish we could avoid blind contrarianism.
"Some of us just get disappointed when ego gets in the way of true neutrality. The criticism, at least by me, is a call for some self-reflection."
Like when a guy brags about getting many hundreds of thousands of dollars of med bills paid by insurance (w/, odds are, tons more big dough costs paid (e.g. by medicare) before the coffin), but then he cries like a wee baby cause some procedure cost a small number of thousands? Self-reflection.
Got it.
I live in Guatemala. The place is lousy with Native Americans. There is nothing special about them.
"I mean, that's as good an interpretation as any other, and I believe in giving people a sympathetic reading before jumping to the negative. "
Please give this a sympathetic reading and as good an interpretation as any other, you are a disengenous lying cunt who happily piled on to destroying those boys life, just like you did with Kavanaugh, and then threw a fit when confronted with the truth. Eat shit.
adSs,
I am glad you are here to run other people down for the cause.
Do it to the people you know in meat space.
You have the right of this argument so really get in their faces.
Hoping spring comes early this year so many of the commenters can get outside, get some sunshine and Vitamin D. Several of them need the stink blown off them.
What did you expect, honesty from the left? Of course it's out of hand, they can't admit the truth without indicting themselves.
Birkel, you are so right.
People who orchestrate hatred against others need to be called out, and criticized, and sued.
The MSM and their lackies who tried to rouse a lynch mob against these young people should be shunned until they repent and change their ways.
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If anybody cares about other false propaganda used against Trump.
Apparently, Twitter is cool with doxxing under-18 kids.
protests and counter-protests go on almost daily in DC, and the different parties often mix it up and get in each other's faces. Expect it if you go to protest.
Why should Native American Drummer Guy expect/deserve anything different?
The 'soft bigotry of fallacious nobility'?
Native Americans are no better than anyone else, and are just as worthy of critique as any culture.
Why should they expect, or be expected to be exempt from anything different anyone else experiences?
How was this confrontation any less routine than any other?
Why is 'punishment' even considered?
Catholic school boys = mob.
There you go. The collective fascist left have their target.
Haha I love all the comments removed by the author. Mine was removed and all I said was...no this is not nothing. It's pushing basically a lie and trying to ruin the lives of kids. Yes kids. You should be ashamed
"Haha I love all the comments removed by the author."
I kept screwing up a link, thus the removal.
The point is to rouse a Leftist mob.
If the Right resists a Leftist (actual, real, physical) attack the story will be about Republican violence.
If the Right does not fight back, the Left wins and more attacks follow.
That is the propaganda working as designed.
The people running the propaganda believe they are winning.
They are winning.
Now, what can be done from here?
Updates and apologies going out to the Catholic boys.
Will Steve Uhr apologize? Or at least admit his reliance on CNN or other leftwing sources of "news" is a mistake?
If the kids were guilty, it would be something.
When it turns out the kids are innocent, it becomes "nothing".
Why isn't the false accusations against the kids "something"? Why are the only possible outcomes "the Right is guilty" or "nothing"? When does the Left actually get punished for something? Anything? Ever? Even knowing that the kids are innocent, they are still the only ones being doxxed and being blacklisted from schools. What possible set of circumstances sees the perpetrators of this massive lie getting that kind of treatment? In my 50 years I've yet to see it happenm. Ever.
The leftwing media (the media) assume anyone wearing a MAGA hat must be guilty of something. Even an unjust smile.
Two things worth adding here:
1. The Black Hebrews or Black Israelites are far weirder than some here seem to realize. They're not Fundamentalist preachers, they're a group of black Americans who claim that they are the only real Jews and that all the other 'Jews' in Israel and the rest of the world are knowing frauds who are trying to steal their identity. In other words, beyond even Farrakhan in assholistic lunacy.
2. Those suggesting that the school group should have walked away to avoid confrontation should remember that there were hundreds of thousands of people in D.C. that day and hundreds of chartered buses picking them up at the end of the day. (You don't take a yellow schoolbus from Kentucky to D.C.: the seats are way too hard and they don't have toilets.) The boys were waiting to get on one bus out of hundreds in town, so they had to be at that particular place at that particular time if they didn't want to be left behind.
Qwinn,
I answered just above your question.
Conservatives must accept the reality of propaganda.
That is where we are.
"Will Steve Uhr apologize?"
I doubt he knows. CNN and Twitter are still pushing the lie.
Dr. Weevil is right on both points, except he doesn't go far enough on the first point. The Black Hebrews are violently homophobic (which may be why they shouted that the Catholic high school kids were "faggots," pederast priests protected by Pope Francis, and all). I would feel very sorry for Chris Althouse Cohen if he found himself surrounded by them.
maybe there will be a "Cruel but not Neutral" Rat at the Cafe tonite...
...where you can talk about anything you like, as long as it isnt exculpatory
The complicity of the leftists in the mainstream media, winked and nodded at by pretend "cruelly neutral" leftists like Althouse in attempting to get these kids expelled and their lives ruined when they didn't do anything other than happen to be white and conservative, is absolutely disgusting. If there continue to be no consequences then eventually there will be real consequences.
I wouldn't shed a tear if one of these innocent boys or their families took out the smear merchants lynching them. If I was on a jury, I would find them not guilty.
"Chris Althouse Cohen"
Jonathan Althouse Cohen?
I notice that the batshit NR article Paco linked is now "page not found".
Lol. Rich Lowry penned a limp-wristed "whoopsie!":
" Anyway, if not a hoax, this at the very least was not what it initially seemed. I deleted my original tweet and we also took down a strongly worded post by my colleague Nick Frankovich that relied on the incomplete video. It’s another reminder — even for an old hand like me — that it’s best not to make snap judgments and to wait for all sides of a controversy to have a chance to be heard."
You'd think they'd know better by now regarding *any* story involving "white guys in MAGA hats".
Maga hats should be outlawed and anyone wearing one should be doxxed, harassed, lied about, ruined, and destroyed. Celebrate the leftwing mob and CNN.
New York Times v. Sullivan is about public figures. These boys were not public figures. The libel doctrine you are thinking of is inapplicable.
I hope that means the boys can sue the asses off the MSM. Did the Duke LaCrosse team ever sue anyone?
Who do you think the Black Israelites hate more? Women or white boys?
Big Mike:
After I hit 'Publish' I realized that a better comparison to the Black Hebrews is Fred Phelps.
This is just liberals salvaging what they can from the propaganda patrimony they inherited from the Kavanaugh hearings .(My spell check still won’t recognize that name! It’s almost like the twat in charge of approving new names has dug in her Birkenstocks.)
rough being a catholic guy, eh?
If you arent getting raped by some pedo priest,
it's media-rape during a confirmation hearing or class field trip
It occurred to me, given her experience with drummers in the rotunda, that the Professor would have more skepticism for the drummer
tim in vermont: "This is just liberals salvaging what they can from the propaganda patrimony they inherited from the Kavanaugh hearings."
Indeed.
The lefties and their LLR Cuck-ies go full insane smear-y lefty (Col Jessop: Is there any other kind?) And then lie their teeth off about it later as they simultaneously move to the next lie.
PPPT (Kavanaugh), Inga and LLR Chuck (everything) are perfect examples of that.
"I notice that the batshit NR article Paco linked is now "page not found"."
Ha! Rich Lowry doesn't seem to realize that the Internet is forever. (Though this does lose all those delicious comments calling Nick Frankovich a pussy.)
like the knife scene in 'Crocodile Dundee',
too bad the boys werent in the marching band.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=crocodile+dundee+knife+scene&docid=607989818013843541&mid=8A24B57461E9BF4087328A24B57461E9BF408732&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Who are we as a society when we are willing to malign a child in international news based on a facial expression and a hat?
Realize the fight:
The Left wants total political power BAMN and will not compromise.
We are all eggs for their omelette.
Their propaganda aims toward their goal and fairness is of no matter.
So I have to speak up and rephrase my silence into words: This is nothing.
What the boys did was nothing. What the media and other left wing activists is both monstrous and perfectly consistent with their principles and behavior.
Bigger shame on the WASHINGTON POST
"Phillips, on the other hand, is an adult, and he repeatedly lied about what happened to the Washington Post, which was utterly taken in by him and reported everything he said uncritically."
Nathan Phillips Lied. The Media Bought It.
Sydney - people who supported the victims of the lies against the Duke Lacrosse team got the viciously unethical prosecutor Nifong fired and disbarred. The evil woman who lied about them: well, later on, she was jailed for murdering someone and killed herself in jail, I think. The nasty professors at Duke who condescendingly rebuked the innocent young men, for racist or other leftist hive-think reasons, without knowing the facts - well let us just say that nobody really thinks that they have lived lives of honor, and I doubt they respect themselves all that much.
There may have been a settlement, I am not sure if there was.
In the present case, Rich Lowry, Rod Dreher, Scott Adams, Nick Frankovich (not on his own, but through his boss), and Professor George of Princeton have all issued embarrassing apologies. The poor old man with the drum, if he is not senile, cannot be proud of his thoughtless and unkind behavior. How would he like if if the tables were turned? He wouldn't, the poor little old man, nobody would.
Also, several twitter blue check personalities who have intentionally and specifically called for violence against the slandered children have either deleted their accounts or deleted their potentially criminal calls for violence, and some of them are afraid they will probably have to spend money on criminal defense lawyers, because realistic attempts to solicit violent criminal acts are, quite often, substantive crimes (I don't think any blue-check twitter user will be prosecuted, but I also think that people who call for violence against children should at least worry about having to hire a criminal defense lawyer), so there's that.
Employee at CNN still has this up.
Reza Aslan(D-CNN) pedals fake news, wants to punch teens.
can you imagine some smart-ass'd blue-blooded dowager going up to a group of
native Americans and start banging away on her well-tempered clavier?
Reza Aslan's tweet (he asks if anyone has ever seen a face more punchable than the face of the child victim of the old activist's rudeness) does not call for violence.
It merely shows that he, Reza Aslan, is a creature with deep hatred in his heart.
And that is not against the law!
These boys innocently endured vile abuse from homophobic black racists, a smear campaign by the LSM, and were subjected to doxxing, threats of violence and death. All this because a video showed them simply standing while a professional grievance-mongering Indigian took an opportunity to get some more oppression from Whitey. For this they were thrown under the bus by their own church -- loco parentis, indeed!
AA's reaction: "This is nothing."
Wow.
Stephen Cooper:
Poor old man with a drum?
What? That professional agitator is just 2 years older than I am. He's perfectly aware of what he is doing - attacking a chosen target that he is confident will not fight back violently.
I've been following Althouse and occasionally commenting here since roughly day one.
I'm not really expecting to see an apology from her.
But until I hear that there's been one, I'm done. Sayonara.
Drummer activist nutjob did his bang the drum protest in front of Trump Tower in 2017.
Remember - being morally right is more important than being factually correct.
i do not believe it was nothing.
I believe the part CNN went with was an intentional hit job, orchestrated to go viral, and apparently very easy to line up.
It was effective enough even Cool Scott Adams was hot (and wrong)
we are being manipulated by people who have gotten really good at this stuff, like the ghost twitterer that first raised the AOC dancing video as being annoying to conservatives, it goes viral and that poster dissappears.
stay frosty and #mAga
Fake News was fallen for and vigorously defended again by the usual suspects
And supposedly I’m a stupid one for believing Trump on some things? Or not buying what the FBI and Hillary’s campaign was/is selling?
How many who fell for it are still waiting for your $2500 savings from Obamacare?
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-covington-catholic-bonfire-at-the-stake/
Rod Dreher highlights Hollywood Producer Mark Green's comments promising to never forgive:
Michael Green
✔
@andmichaelgreen
Plus side: A face like that never changes. This image will define his life. No one need ever forgive him.
This reminds me of various sports reporters like Mike Lupicka who pride themselves on promoting the far left activism given any public opportunity. Since they dominate the media the left manufactures these opportunities whether it's Duke / UVA false rape accusations or Nancy Pelosi pushing through a Tea Party protest trying to provoke a response and then lying about getting one when her provocation didn't work. Every decision the left media makes or act they undertake is political. That is their first and only priority.
My response to Reza Aslan's question: the eponymous David Hogg.
The poor old man with the drum, if he is not senile, cannot be proud of his thoughtless and unkind behavior.
I don't think this is accurate. He marched into the middle of the high school group intending to provoke a response. His ally was intentionally filming the interaction which means the drummer was a full participant in the deception.
Fred - I feel sorry for the guy, sue me.
He is clearly old, and even if only two years older than you, I certainly hope and trust you look a lot less decrepit than him. There must have been a time when he did not want to be a fool who says stupid and ignorant things, and I am sure he was once young, and did not want to grow old and acquire that ugliness on his face that people with little love in their hearts always have acquired at his age. And, on top of it all, he seems very unhealthy.
By the way I have lived in the DC area for decades and decades and in the days before omnipresent videocameras I used to regularly tell people like that, to their face, that their conduct brought dishonor on them. Sometimes they were surprised that someone would have the courage and love for a stranger to call them out on their lack of love, typically they just gave me a nasty suspicious look. Poor creatures! One cannot imagine their mothers being happy at what they have become, and one cannot help hoping they will one day become genuine people, with normal hearts of normal sinners, rather than the agents of targeted hatred that they have allowed themselves to become! Whatever injustice they have seen, no matter how much they want to hurt others with their words and actions, one hopes that they will become, if only for a day, decent people without prejudice and hatred in their heart, while they are still living on this earth!
So yes, I want the best for the guy, whether or not he is a real Vietnam vet.
I hope CNN gets sued out of business.
I also hope Ted Turner ends his days homeless. Whether he still is affiliated with CNN or not, I don't know or care.
The original CNN story said the black guys were teaching the bible
The guy is a front for the Left's propaganda machine.
He's an NPC, not a 3D person.
CNN still hasn't retracted their propaganda piece.
Rick - I hear you. I could be wrong about a lot of things. I know I sound arrogant but I am actually humble, and I have a lot of friends who have done bad things, and with the exception of those who have done deal-breaker bad things - for example, I stopped contact with one friend because he would not stop driving drunk - with few exceptions, I can't really tell people (among my friends and acquaintances) with good hearts from people with less-good hearts. And there are so many people seeking media attention for bad reasons - who can tell which of them are more redeemable than the others? So I assume they are all losers, seeking the grace of God, but without as much seeking in their heart as they need .....
It would be, for me, the sin of pride to claim I could read people's hearts, that is a gift reserved for better people than me.
We expect this kind of pure propaganda by the Professional Liars at CNN, but it was sad to see how the March officials, the Diocese and their school threw them under the bus without even investigating. Pathetic.
Fred - I feel sorry for the guy, sue me.
I feel sorry for those he lied about and victimized.
AA's reaction: "This is nothing."
They're just embryonic splooge stooges who were probably on a way to a party where they were going to get black out drunk and run rape trains anyway.
WTF. We grown ups should be Abe to tell the soul motivation of people we meet by watching them. Trial lawyers do it easily.The story is how brainwashed so many people are by years of FaKe News in media. White southerners immediately know whom is a racist. They are the mentally screwed up dumb ones, and color of skin is not how you read that . In this case the Indigenous tribe guy has the Demonic glazed over eyes repeating the canned lies narrative. The white boys are normal and mentally healthy. Look in their eyes.
It would be, for me, the sin of pride to claim I could read people's hearts,
You don't have to read hearts, understanding their actions is sufficient.
All the conservative leaning people who make excuses for the Leftist Totalitarians are
A.L.S.O.
part of the problem.
The Left wants complete, total, totalitarian power.
That’s history. Especially 20th century history.
I went through 12 years of Catholic school, and while I know my fellow Catholics tend to split their votes etc etc, I have to assume that the constant anti-Catholic bigotry expressed by Democrats at the highest levels and their media spokespeople has to have an non-zero effect on the Catholics whose votes matter in the upper midwest, where they're easily close to half the population (as opposed to 1/4 or less in the rest of the country, and also older and whiter and therefore are more likely to vote).
"It's just no use demanding that Althouse be a partisan hack; it won't happen for either side."
It's just a coincidence that she always assumes the best of one side and the worst of the other.
Fred - I want God to show him the evil he has done.
Do I want him to suffer any more than he obviously already has?
Only if he willingly takes on such suffering in repentance. If he is willing to repent, I do not want him to suffer any more than he already obviously has ---- I mean, look at him. That is no more the picture of a happy man than Lurch or Uncle Fester! Who wants Lurch to not be happier, or Uncle Fester, if they ask God's forgiveness, and for God's help in making up for the harm they have done? Not me, for sure.
Rick - Good point. If any of those kids get expelled from their school, I will gladly cut them a check to help pay for tuition at a better school until they graduate.
If the nasty old guy asks for cash to support his evil causes, I will not send him a penny.
I can't read hearts, but, as you say, I can understand actions.
Yeah, Stephen Cooper, you are part of the problem.
That "Black Israelites" tribe was Ham-ing it up.
Let's not spread more hate. We are not like them.
Love this from one of the left wing Twits. That's right, you're not like them. They were peaceful protesters and decent people while you're part of a hatemongering propaganda machine.
Some on the liar left are saying a red hat is like a white sheet.
So if you wear a maga hat - you're a KKKer.
Yep.
Birkel, maybe your pal Paul McCartney can give you good advice in how to be attractive to the grandmas of the world.
Just kidding. Read a few lines in the Book of Proverbs, my young friend.
Prayer is the first recourse of the real warrior.
May you, one day, also be a warrior!
This world will be a better world because of real warriors, not phony ones!
We are lynching people right and left - those horrible anti-Hillary Trump supporters.
Birkel, I think some anti-Western loser posted, claiming to be you, at 6:26 PM.
If so, feel free to have the last word: if not: God bless you, and may God make you strong some day.
Here's a video clearly showing what the boy in question was calmly putting up with. He deserves a medal.
Instead he gets this:
"This MAGA thug and his friends from @CovCathColonels in KY, should be identified and denied all work in perpetuity." from Kurt Eichenwald.
But ... before you have a PMS moment and rag on people like me who pray for the Victory of Good,
real Birkel or Fake Birkel at 6:26:
for the love of God, spend some time praying to God that your side of the struggles will be blessed with his Blessing.
Yeah, Stephen Cooper, take the air of my superior garbage and put it right back up your ass from where it first came.
You're part of the problem.
You'd rather be a slave to the people who attack Catholic kids in hats and threaten violence.
But don't turn over the tables of the money changers.
Fucking Pharisees are the worst.
“You leftists have no idea what's coming down the pike if you keep this up.
None.”
Oh shut your pie hole you ignorant gnat. Do you think any leftist gives a damn about your stupid threats? You’re probably the biggest pussy in your neighborhood.
Render unto Caesar and all that stuff, right?
If they want power to destroy some decent Catholic kids just stand back and let Caesar have his day.
Best that those kids not be fed on a Saturday if it means having to work on a Sabbath.
I remember some philosophical debates along those lines that I read somewhere.
Pompous Christians are at least more useful than evangelical atheists.
And that is nice, for you.
Fake Birkel _
you poor man.
I am a slave to nobody, and you know that.
As God is my witness, I know that I have fought harder against evil than people who talk like you ever have, and I pray that someday you too will understand what it takes to be the man who is a man whose children respect him, whose countrymen are proud of him, and who has suffered and fought for that which is good. I have no idea what kind of pain you are in that makes you say such foolish and vicious things, but I have prayed for people who were in greater pain than you, and Prayer always wins.
Real Birkel -
Feel free to have the last word.
And Fake Birkel, where was your promise to write a tuition check?
Where were your stories about confronting evildoers, as I have done so many times?
Crickets, Fake Birkel, crickets ....
Hahahaha, this entire thread is hilarious. Outrage over outrage! Oh the outrage!
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Inga laughs when the leftwing media lies.
INga ... Allie Oop said " I am laughing.
Well, laugh on.
There are billions of people in this world and every once in a while someone expresses outrage.
Do you always laugh?
Of course not, if you are a decent human being.
Birches rightly felt outrage, and said what he had to say: he did not laugh, and I respect him for that.
I respect you too because I know what it is like to he an intense person, with an intense view on subjects about which most people are not intense.
God loves us all, Inga Allie Oop, and ponder this:
Have you ever tried to make God laugh?
If not, why not?
I have, by the way.
Go ahead and laugh at that, if you want.
God loves you just as much as he loves anyone else, and he rejoices in good-hearted laughter.
Trust me, my poor young friend.
Leftists laugh when their liar machine spreads more lies. It's for the common good.
Inga, just laugh with a good heart, just once, with love for all:
The angels themselves will rush to hear that beautiful sound, and will grant any good-hearted prayer of invocation you choose to invoke for anyone for whom you feel good-hearted affection
Inga's rapey grandsons are gonna care when they're accused.
Inga sure won't.
Inga kisses the boots of Black Hebrew Israelites. It gets her wet.
The Catholic kids just learned a hard lesson in Fake News.
Fake News, by the way, converts more democrats into republicans than anything else by a wide margin.
@Rabel — amazing. Was that a tweet from Pulitzer awarded Kurt Eichenwald? Such an evil expression.
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