January 19, 2019
"CNN anchor John King asked on Friday if it matters that taxpayer dollars are being used to pay for Karen Pence's housing and Secret Service protection if the vice president's wife is teaching at a private school that seeks to exclude LGBTQ students and staff members."
Sometimes I read something that gives me an instant headache. A literal headache. This was one of those times. The article is in The Hill.
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The media has gone full R-word.
When standards don't matter, any justification is viable.
No it does not matter. You don’t get to cherry pick where she gets protection, nor of you get to presure her through the sevret service...
It was surprising to me CNN dummies didn’t try to work an angle on Trumps recall of military aircraft, like through some judge in Puerto Rivo or something...
Excluding LGBTQ people is part of the secret service protection.
Lol. Instant headaches? Yeah, you have at least a couple posts that do that to me every day. Including the first one from this morning.
No matter. More people (including taxpayers) are opposed to Karen's (Pence's "Mom") bigotry than would be ok with having their taxes used to protect her for it. The question might have been technically unfair, but this elitist's lifestyle and grifting off that service/funds is inherently unfair.
Do presidents get secret service protection when they go to church?
I heard on MSNBC that the Border Patrol's practice of separating children from parents is kidnapping.
PPPT drinks his morning kool-aid, and graces us with his inanities yet again.
This is CNN!
Nothing more needs to be said.
Proof that there is such a thing as a dumb question.
Ann mentions a headache and Ritmo appears, It's magic.
More people (including taxpayers) are opposed to Karen's (Pence's "Mom") bigotry than would be ok with having their taxes used to protect her for it.
That's not a fact, it's an opinion.
Liberals are constantly projecting their own insane bigotry, hatred and prejudice on normal people.
PPPT is still auditioning for the next Gillette commercial.
Is it OK to spend tax payer dollars on rich rich rich wealthy leftist Pelosi and her family?
So we know that Pence's christianity makes a bugbear out of homosexuality. What does it have to say about calling one's wife, "Mother," as Pence does to his own?
Just curious.
Also, what does it say about a man with such poor self-control that he prohibits other women from being around him alone?
Are you now or have you ever been a Christian, associated with a Christian, or associated with a Christian school?
Is it OK to spend tax payer dollars on rich rich rich wealthy leftist Pelosi and her family?
Pelosi has an elected office and is 2nd in the line of succession to the president. Not some moron parochial school flunky teacher who has to sign a contract on how to obsess over penis vagina problems in order to teach art.
"... bugbear out of homosexuality..."
In my lifetime, gay men ignited a global epidemic with their irresponsible sexual behavior, thus proving that the Biblical injunctions against homosexual were ground in fact.
36.9 million dead from AIDS. Costs in the tens of billions.
Yeah, some bugbear.
You're stupid and malicious, Ritmo.
The extreme bigotry of the Pences give me a headache too. How "Christian" of a school to ban gay kids. Can you imagine what it must be like for a gay child to be told he is not welcomed in his community.
Evil.
I would be upset if an VP spouse taught at a madrassa. This is no better.
I would be upset if an VP spouse taught at a madrassa. This is no better.
Ritmo's malicious stupidity seems to be contagious.
Of course, Bill and Ritmo and working on the big lie... that there was a campaign of persecution that accounts for all those dead gay men of my generation.
Those tens of thousands of gay men died of AIDS, Bill and Ritmo.
You're just liars.
The persecution and martyrdom myth is a fucking lie.
In my lifetime, gay men ignited a global epidemic with their irresponsible sexual behavior, thus proving that the Biblical injunctions against homosexual were ground in fact.
Oh, right. Fact. So the bible told us what we know about the HIV virus and how to prevent and survive indefinitely with it through protease inhibitors and other antiretrovirals? Which edition of the bible are you reading, doofus? I'm curious if it can teach us how to avoid the much bigger epidemic of cancer.
Did the bible also tell us that some super-righteous select few will have t-cell mutations that prevent them from ever getting AIDS, as the science shows? Man, their burnt offerings must have been like very well-received by the Almighty!
Or else maybe they just showed their faith by going along with the suggestion that they sacrifice their son, as Abraham did.
Idiot Ritmo,
People, even in ancient times, could observe that the practitioners of anal sex died first and that epidemics seemed to emerge from their midst.
You know, they could observe the obvious.
Tom-Tom should be in favor of sprinkling holy water around CDC labs so that their scientific research will be extra specially bible-based!
Watching your impending senility take place in public is amusing, Tom Tom.
This may be the single most absurd thing ever uttered at CNN. And that's saying something.
Dear John King: It is not a constitutional requirement that all citizens to believe in SSM. Furthermore, there is a statutory duty to protect Mrs. Pence.
You know, they could observe the obvious.
Yes. Ritonavir, atazanavir and lamivudine are very obvious things. The ancient Hebrews had recipes for making them along with what to do with the frankincense and myrrh that they slaughtered their goats with.
The ancient Romans, Idiot Ritmo, observed long before the discovery of bacteria that public health depended on clean water and toilets.
Ever study this shit, Idiot Ritmo?
The Roman Empire invested huge sums in public water and toilet projects.
They, unlike you, Idiot Ritmo, were capable of observing the obvious.
There is an evil undertone to all this, as pointed out by the Benedict Option guy. In King's view, separation of Church and State means that churches that refuse to perform gay marriage ceremonies should get no police protection. The First Amendment is turned from a shield for free practice of religion into a sword against religion.
The ancient Romans, Idiot Ritmo, observed long before the discovery of bacteria that public health depended on clean water and toilets.
They also loved using leaded pipes to carry that water and poisoned themselves to insanity and apparently the downfall of their republic and empire.
Interestingly enough, that seems to be yet another one of their unlearned lessons that your political hacks in congress would like to repeat. Most recently, with mercury! Go mercury!
I wish CNN was a standalone public company. It would be shorted into bankruptcy. Just like Sears.
Actually, this time it's Trump alone who wants to increase the mercury in your water and air. Over the objections of even the old coal plant operators he pretends to serve as if it were the only industry in America.
So, Idiot Ritmo, you've now admitted that advanced study in microbiology is unnecessary to make the connection between playing in shit and epidemics.
Thanks.
Why do you behave like such a fucking jackass?
It doesn't 'seek to exclude'; it DOES exclude.
And good for them. F all this tolerance and equality nonsense. Some people aren't interested in 'tolerating' perversion and degeneracy, no matter what the current zeitgeist requires. Tell the weirdos to go teach somewhere that does want them, like, oh I don't know, EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY.
Actually, this time it's Trump alone who wants to increase the mercury in your water and air.
Those CFL lightbulbs foisted by the looney left dispersed a lot of mercury as well. Thankfully, they're dying out.
Those CFL lightbulbs foisted by the looney left dispersed a lot of mercury as well. Thankfully, they're dying out.
Here's a lesson in making sense 101.
This would be a stronger point if you weren't using it to defend Trump's unprompted (by industry or science or anyone) effort to increase mercury emissions into our water and air directly.
But it seems you are, you see. So no one rational listens to it.
Although I'm sure you can find an industry or academic department that takes your very special "I know you are but what am I!" arguments very seriously.
So, they are saying that she shouldn't be allowed to live with the VP? That they should be forced to break up?
Fun thought. If, GOD forbid, John Kerry had become President; would people have had a problem with His wife owning a good sized chunk of the Heinz industry?
Heinz sells TO foreign governments, Heinz buys FROM foreign governments
----Emoluments Clause, anybody?
Teresa Heinz is also the furniture (chair) of The Heinz Endowments, which grant more than $60 million a year to organizations like:
Bible Center Church, Inc.
Fishes And Loaves Cooperative Ministries
Holy Family Institute
Jewish Federation of Greater Pittsburgh
i stopped when i got to the J's; but seriously: would we have wanted someone that supports groups LIKE THAT, on the Government dole; living in Government supplied housing??
Why does everything always have to come back to/down to feces with Shouting Thomas.
Shouting Thomas is Throwing Feces.
I wonder if he would pose this same question if she were Muslim. Somehow I doubt it.
Of course they wouldn't, they still dont harp on the fact that Omar married her bros and all the craziness of tlaib.
Are you now or have you ever been a Christian, associated with a Christian, or associated with a Christian school?
Exactly. Will our present situation someday be equated with the HUAC era? Or, more likely, will our totalitarian future be lauding this period of Inquisition as the age of Enlightenment?
Exactly. Will this era someday be equated with the HUAC period?
No. McCarthy was an irrational, obsessive drunk and his fellow McCarthyites were just as far off the deep end. So in this way they actually have much more in common with the Pences and their fellow travelers than they do with those who criticize their 16th century superstitions.
For a so-called scientist, you often come up with some very outlandish and irrational assertions.
Maybe you follow Christ-based science, as well.
This reminds me of how devout Muslims say things about flies not spreading disease due to Quranic verses. Just a weird source document for your first principles, empirically speaking.
I don't see the problem with a private religious group, as the Post writes, having its employees agree with "religious beliefs that seek to exclude homosexual and transgender applicants, including that marriage can only be between a man and a woman."
And it makes sense for the school "to refuse admission or kick out students if the activities of either the student or their parents or guardians go against the biblical lifestyle espoused by the school. This includes 'condoning sexual immorality, homosexual activity or bi-sexual activity, promoting such practices, or being unable to support the moral principles of the school.'"
Remember, folks, this is a kindergarten through 8th grade school. Kids at that age shouldn't be having "homosexual activity or bi-sexual activity."
Put it another way, if she was teaching art at a madrassas, would she be criticized? And wouldn't they have exactly the same standards?
As much as I like to think of myself as a rational person, I must say that I am very grateful for Karen Pence. The penis vagina problems of teaching Christian art are numerous, and I for one am glad that she is alive and well and working in Virginia to make sure we stay mindful of them!
I heard that taxpayer money goes to welfare recipients who dont like gay and trans people! End Welfare!
I read that and my head exploded -- LITERALLY!
As far as I know, vaginas are rare in art. No labia either.
Maybe the feeling was that guys will sin to the art.
"As much as I like to think of myself as a rational person,..."
'Ritmo, party of one...'
No. McCarthy was an irrational, obsessive drunk and his fellow McCarthyites were just as far off the deep end.
Even so, in the end, they were proven to be right.
PPPT: Pence isn't afraid of harassing a woman alone with him. He just doesn't want some undercover wacko MeTooer like Blasey Ford or Avenatti's ho setting him up.
Here's a good one for the "Literally" meme: MSNBC’s Chris Hayes tweeted Thursday night when that now-discredited BuzzFeed scoop on Michael Cohen was first published that “Nixon was literally impeached”
The new Muslims in Vongress hate Jews and gays, especially Jewish gays. Does King think they shouldn’t receive their federally-funded salaries and benefits?
Pence’s wife isn’t shooting up gay nightclubs.
When is King going to insist that the Muslims in Congress denounce and repudiate the verses in the Koran that he pretends aren’t there?
King is a coward.
When did wondering aloud become news?
If you have to question, you don’t know.
If you don’t know, you’re not informing your audience.
If you’re not informing your audience, you’re no longer in the news business.
Bill Peschel observes: Remember, folks, this is a kindergarten through 8th grade school. Kids at that age shouldn't be having "homosexual activity or bi-sexual activity."
Of course they shouldn't. The fact children in elementary schools are taught that LGBTQ behavior is normal is reprehensible. It is social indoctrination of the worst sort.
Oh, right. Fact. So the bible told us what we know about the HIV virus and how to prevent and survive indefinitely with it through protease inhibitors and other antiretrovirals?
PPP posted this but it is not meant for him. I dont care about him.
But for others that do like to learn things, it is an excellent lead in
Go to Leviticus, read the dietary laws. No shellfish no pork. Separating dairy from meat. Now think about 5000 years ago. No refrigeration. Think about pork. Why is the minimum cooking temperature required TODAY? What did science 5000 years ago tell them? Of course there was no science. Just Gods laws. Arbitrary. But not. Laws based on 19th century science. How can that be?
How about turning water into wine? Whats the big deal? Guess what? Drinking water wasn't prudent. Did the science tell them that? Or God?
People observe that if you eat pork you can get sick. That's science.
Pence isn't afraid of harassing a woman alone with him. He just doesn't want some undercover wacko MeTooer like Blasey Ford or Avenatti's ho setting him up.
Right. I'm sure that's what his bible-centered view of everything in life informed him to think.
It's standard practice for male physicians to have a female staffer present when examining female patients.
All the people that care about iowan2 should exult his ability to note that ancient Hebrews, as stupid as they weren't, apparently still didn't have the ability to make relevant science 2500 years after their heyday.
But of course he's welcome to visit the Technion or Weizman Institute and ask their descendants about how scripture scientifically proves homosexuality to be... what's that scientific term? Oh yes, an "abomination." Perhaps their next papers should set about proving such a thing.
In any event, I'll believe his implication on the modern-day applications of their "science" whenever he demonstrates his adherence to kashrut. He'd be the first pious skullcap-wearing "iowan" most of us cosmopolitan folks have ever heard of, but hey. I'm always up for surprises. Evengelicals and other flyovers take their pretensions to Judaism very seriously these days. Or perhaps he's got his own lubavitcher community in Ames, complete with an eruv around the cornfield in which he lives.
mockturtle said...
"Of course they shouldn't. The fact children in elementary schools are taught that LGBTQ behavior is normal is reprehensible. It is social indoctrination of the worst sort."
Well, this is where the issue arises. If homosexuality is innate, then it is an affliction, a birth defect, and its sufferers deserve sympathy, though not necessarily indulgence. The contrary proposition is that it is a choice, a surrender to temptation, like smoking only worse. I confess, I have a hard time believing this. Certainly, if homosexuality is a temptation, I have had no difficulty in resisting it. And like Oscar Wilde, I can resist anything except temptation.
It will probably turn out to be either a spontaneous mutation or, more likely, an infectious agent, and it will be possible to identify homosexuals before they are born. Then the only people in America with homosexual children will be Christians.
Tcrosse observes: It's standard practice for male physicians to have a female staffer present when examining female patients.
And we know that this is solely to prevent the toxically male physician from yielding to his uncontrollable lust at the sight of female genitalia. ;-D
PPT... "You are a fluke of the universe and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back".
The universe laughs because anthropomorphization.
Fertilized eggs with human DNA are not alive because inconvenient.
Lefty thinking is fun to follow.
(And thanks to those who copy the stupidest P3T comments so I can laugh at them.)
Leftwing cultists are certainly a more awkward and deviant community that Christians.
Why are we forced to pay their way?
Take a poll. I doubt most Americans want Tax payer dollars spent on rich rich rich ultra-wealthy wall around her home and she can pay for her own damn flights and her own damn security- Pelosi.
Trump isn't taking a presidential salary.
F Pelosi.
Triple P creates the strawman and slays it.
Exactly why I specifically said I would be ignoring his idiocy. My audience is those that practice cogent thought.
As progs scorch the culture, Althouse cries at pictures of boys they exploit and gets a headache from the propaganda they emit.
The Democrats are the Party of God. No, really they are. What are the two most religious demographic groups in the US? Blacks & Hispanics. How do they vote? Democratic.
Thus, I heartily approve of this Christian bashing by the Left. I heartily approve because I want to see the secular whites who infect the media & academia wake up one morning & find out that their candidates can't even get elected dogcatcher anymore because their minority voters have deserted them. If they keep this shit up, it'll happen, too.
Geez, Democrats! Gays 1.7% of population. Blacks -- 6%. Latinos --- 7%. Do the electoral math on the Christian-bashing, willya?
John King--not enough wattage in the cottage. I put the IQ at about 80. After all, half are above 100 and half are below 100.
BUMBLE BEE seems to be endorsing intelligent design. What a surprise.
I like your formulation YH. Popularity makes for reality.
Since when did this become the standard right-wing religion? Since they figured out that America never had a strongly supported anti-democratic tradition and that if you're going to lie to the people as much as conservatives do you might as well whip them up into a frenzy with the types of fears that spur populist sentiment?
Jupiter @11:23: Pedophilia is also as old has history and is prevalent in every society. That doesn't make it normal. Are some born with this propensity? Who knows? Even if they are, it's still not normal. While I agree that some perversions [between consenting adults] should be tolerated and legal, they need not be embraced and should not be celebrated.
While I agree that some perversions [between consenting adults] should be tolerated and legal, they need not be embraced and should not be celebrated.
LOL.
CONTROL THE CULTURE!
DO THIS WHILE SOMEHOW MAINTAINING FREEDOM!
Your government culture minister is ready to meet you at your convenience.
One wonders which "perversions" mock turtle would embrace and which she would make everyone else not embrace. Do tell, mock. It's important for us to understand the personal basis for your sympathies in order to understand you, and by extension the basis behind your strange political demands.
@PPPT,
Do I think that the post-Marxist left has a chance in hell of stopping themselves from going over the cliff in their cheerleading for statistically insignificant "deviant" sexual practices? No, I don't. I think for the left now sexual deviancy has taken on "saintly" attributes, with the deviant possessing a moral consciousness that is seen to surpass the rest of us cis-het mortals.
The Pomo-Left can no more walk away from its support of LGBTQWhatever issues than a devout Catholic can from a theology of intercession.
The LGBQTQ... = transgender spectrum was already politically congruent ("=") by virtue of labels and class.
Lol. "Cheerleading." You're hilarious.
Who defines what is "deviant?" I'd love to hear that one. I mean, seeing as how sexuality is primarily a private affair - apart from the ritual of public celebrations regarding the choice of mutual life partners - it's hard to see which public authority figure is going to be selected to instruct the public on "proper" private sexuality. It's an interesting problem for your tribe of self-appointed prudes, prissies, perverts and prim-and-proper police to put into practice now, isn't it? And yet, I fully expect the next administration that's more right-wing than Trump's to appoint just such a position. Someone's got to balance out King Donald David's debauchery with the kind of lecture that gives his Evangelical base the shivers!
The left is just practicing the logical extension of privacy, tolerance, compassion and decent treatment of others regardless of irrelevant differences - just as it's always done and just has been the only practice that has ever gotten society anywhere in the last 400 years. Whatever baggage you're talking about OTOH, well, that's your business. And your shrink's. I can't speak to it. If you can't/won't figure out the source of your own insecurities, don't expect me to endorse them and enforce them on anyone else.
connection between playing in shit and epidemics
That and the digestive tract, vulnerable to breaches, that facilitates transferring viruses and other antigens. A "polygamous" lifestyle only increases the risk.
@PPPT,
The left is just practicing the logical extension of privacy, tolerance, compassion and decent treatment of others regardless of irrelevant differences - just as it's always done and just has been the only practice that has ever gotten society anywhere in the last 400 years
Oh, yes, the blessed Left. Always on the side of good morals. See, you sound exactly like a church lady -- "I'm just doing good works".
Sadly, these are the same sentiments out of the Left that it mouthed while murdering 100 million people in the 20th C.
If you wish to peddle the fantasy that you are on the side of the Angels, well, knock yourself out. But, no one outside of your wing of the asylum believes that.
Oh, yes, the blessed Left. Always on the side of good morals.
Certainly as of the last 400 years, of course. As I said.
Sure, there may have been a point to enforcing female chastity or anything outside of monogamous heterosexual procreation in the days before paternity tests and oral contraception made the concept of mistaken paternity and inheritance intolerable, but those days have long passed. You should take a look at the memo on that one.
See, you sound exactly like a church lady -- "I'm just doing good works".
Ahh... looks like, "sounds like..." As Machiavelli said about appearance instead of realities. You're doing a good job of not rising above what he'd expect of a nice sheep like yourself.
If you can find any significant left-wing movement gaining elected office in America that is advocating anti-democratic tyranny of the sort of 20th c. movements that defines your single solitary concern in life, post a link on it. Until then I'll be happy to focus on real-life problems and dangers - such as repeating the same right-wing experiments of the 1920s and early 2000s that gave us worldwide depressions and the rise of nationalism and Hitler in the first place, let alone the strengthening of his communist adversaries we had no choice but to ally ourselves with in order to defeat him and his fellow sometimes genocidal uber-nationalists.
What I recite above is standard and easily defended historical reality. Call it a fantasy or asylum belief all you want. You're the one on the side that believes Reagan single-handedly defeated the same Soviet Union that was bound to be unsustainable anyway, right?
Right-wing worship of aristocracy and economic deregulation --> global depression --> rise of nationalism and genocidal imperialism --> WWII and the countervailing Soviet alliance. See? You guys were the ones who gave us Stalin, after all!
@pee-pee tape
So now, being Catholic is being a bigot.
None of this First Amendment "freedom of religion" bullshit.
gotcha, pee pee.
"The left is just practicing the logical extension of privacy, tolerance, compassion and decent treatment of others regardless of irrelevant differences - just as it's always done and just has been the only practice that has ever gotten society anywhere in the last 400 years."
Descendants of the kulaks and the zeks in Stalin's gulags are not available to comment.
Neither are the descendants of Mao's Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, because they too are dead, having been consigned to work themselves to death in China's hinterlands.
You're an asshole. And with you it's assholes all the way down.
And let's not forget Pol Pot's Cambodia, once a land of smiling, happy people---until he murdered a million of them.
What a fucking jerk you are.
They also loved using leaded pipes to carry that water and poisoned themselves to insanity and apparently the downfall of their republic and empire.
A common myth: but false. Oh, the Romans used lead in their aqueduct piping — but they weren't poisoned by it.
Why not? In the first place, Roman aqueducts and water systems, unlike those of today, generally did not employ spigots and hence the water ran continuously.
There were thus no extended period(s) of time during which the water sits stagnant in close proximity to the enclosing pipe — thereby eliminating any notable opportunities when lead could be transferred to the water. Instead, water ran quickly through the system and then out of it.
Moreover, Roman water was typically quite “hard” so that promptly, soon after installation of the piping, minerals would congeal on its inner surface, quickly forming an impermeable layer walling off further contact with the lead.
Both effects combine to lead (pun intended) to the conclusion that Romans were not especially lead-poisoned by their water.
I'm more concerned about adults that know the sexuality of elementary school children, and if their sexuality is out and proud at that age; I would want them excluded from the my child's classroom at that age. I understand we can't let boys be boys; but can we at least let children be children without sexualizing them?
Excellent point, Leland.
I see that Resident Poo Poo Tape is on constant rewind again...
...making more Trump
Michael McNeil; thanks for the history lesson. I had heard about the theory that lead in the water doomed the Roman Empire, so it's nice to read a detailed explanation why it wasn't so.
Wait. The vice presidents wife is teaching art at a christian school?
Why that's outrageous!!
Social Justice Warriors Assemble!!!!!
Surrounded by morons.
We need to probe this more deeply. Some journalist (hah!) should force Mr. King to explain precisely what the grounds would be for pulling the Secret Service coverage. Is there some statute? Some constitutional provision? What is his analysis? etc.
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