January 8, 2019
At the Backflip Café...
... keep your spirits up!
I know Trump is going to speak tonight, but I'll deal with it in the morning. Talk all you want here in the café. Go crazy!
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For those who participated in yesterday's post entitled The controversy of the moment involves AOCs advocacy of a tax rate of 70-80 percent on very high incomes, which is obviously crazy, right?, John Cochrane has a post today with his analysis of Krugman's argument:
Krugman on optimal taxes
Cochrane addresses Krugman with many of the same points made by the posters here. It's an easy read and not all that wonkish...
It as also interesting that a lively debate was still being had at the post and after nearly 300 comments the thread had not devolved into mush.
Well done everyone- thanks!
I have, in the last couple of days, read calls for impeachment as calls for some sort of divorce. The standard is not "high crimes and misdemeanors," it is "irreconcilable differences."
Now I see this reflected all over the place. So, do we stay together for the kids or get on with our own lives?
So the House impeaches the Motherfucker. Absent the votes in the Senate to remove Trump, what then?
Then Trump gets re-elected
tcrosse: in my divorce theory, impeachment is no longer a political act. It is a statement to the M*********er. I think that there will be a lot of long talks over glasses of Chardonnay, some tears, but I am not sure what happens. I assume that this spins on until the election.
The divorce is really a red/blue divorce. We will no longer be able to think of ourselves as an American people. People simply will not think that way. We will be a more tribal society that will fight for an equitable division of power. Perhaps like Lebanon.
Lots of reds live in blue states and can't really move and vice versa; and so I don't think the dispute is irreconcilable, yet. Because there are so many making compromises every day even if these compromises don't make the news.
The most dangerous "jobs" in America involve women being in the vicinity of a Kennedy or any random african-american male prostitute in the domicile of a large democrat donor.
You can blame the division completely on the left. The crap that was not only said but tolerated and never addressed by its respected leaders against W. Obama had it, but never from the same level of respected conservative leaders as the left allowed for W. Add to that the vitriol and the
(Stupid Blogger.xom) Add to thay the vitriol and "if you oppose Obama on anything its because you are racist" shit, and regular people on the right had enough. The main issue that pushed it ober the top amd led to Trump being elected? The cake baker case brought by those two assholes in Colorado. THAT woke up amd brpughtnout the right to fight all the fuckersNJ om the left
tcrosse said...So the House impeaches the Motherfucker. Absent the votes in the Senate to remove Trump, what then?
The Left obviously hopes that Trump will resign like Nixon did. Oh and they want to see him extend personal apologies to Rosie O'Donnell, Barack Obama, and every illegal alien. past present and future. They also wouldn't mind if Trump personally divested his holdings and donated the money to worthy black & Palestinian causes.
Its important that Trump lay out some details of the horrific NancyPelosi/Inga/LLRChuck/OpenBordersCrew "spark of divinity" murders.
Lol. Back to that snorting thing he does. What’s wrong with him?
Trump's speech needed more name calling.
So that is why he went on TV to make a speech in prime time? The same emotional manipulation that works so well with the Trump Cultists, not so much with the rest of us. Same old, same old, half truths and scary stories.
He's going on winning over women. No entertainment value in that.
"Stark" is the adjective being used for Trump's message everywhere, huh.
I missed the first two minutes. All the personal attacks may have been in that segment.
That was a lot less momentous than I thought it was going to be.
I eagerly await the definitive listing of the lies and half-truths.
CNN’s John King is so, so dishonest. The people murdered by illegal aliens would still be alive BUT FOR the illegal’s presence in this country. Proximate cause!
And Americans must face the fact that the Dems are the party of drug dealers and drug users. If the border was secure, fewer opiates would enter the country and more Americans would be alive today.
Was the steel fence rather than concrete wall thing and olive branch?
*an
"I eagerly await the definitive listing of the lies and half-truths."
Did he say 'good evening'? Because WaPo stands ready to prove it's not.
Ann’s correct. Trump’s address was weak. The Dems will accept more crime and dead Americans in return for the votes of illegals via Motor Voter.
I want the House to impeach President Trump, because then the Republicans will be able to use discovery rules to compel DoJ and FBI to provide information and documents that they continue to conceal.
The Senate trial would reveal in detail how DoJ and FBI concocted their "investigation" of imaginary collusion between Trump's campaign staff and Russian Intelligence.
Furthermore, the Senate trial would reveal the kind of information the FBI collected about the Trump campaign and what was done with that information.
Sounds like children blowing whistles outside the WH.
Well, I expect there will be a number of cartoons tomorrow depicting Pelosi and Schumer as some version of "American Gothic."
Mike
The new AG should appoint a Special Counsel. Comey, Hillary, McCabe et alia need to be indicted.
All the fact checks are up but no transcription.
Best speech ever.
Durbin Fanboy Chuck: "Back to that snorting thing he does. What’s wrong with him?"
LOL
Thats all our LLR's got tonight!
Not a good night for Team Dem/LLR/OpenBorders
A 30+ft. wall through El Paso will block the view when they are having a revolution in Juarez, but if built with concrete will shield the citizens of El Paso from most of the stray gunfire.
Chuck's best hope at this point to help pull the dems fat out of the fire is to simply fabricate some more fake quotes.
Media Matters/TheBulwark should have had enough time by now to crank some out.
That was a terrible speach. All emotion and little logic, and easy to identify as such. Throw in a few facts about the financial and civil costs. People can relate to that much better than fear.
Not that Schumer and Pelosi were much better.
I'd say this was Move One. Trump made a Case for national security (crime and drugs) and made a Case to which bleeding heart liberals should listen (abuse of women and children). Maybe there's no chance the liberals will listen but The Case Was Made on TV in front of everyone. Then Move Two, To Be Continued Tomorrow in a meeting at the White House. We're 3 days from Move Three, the first missed paycheck which will bring screams of anguish. Move Four is Congress Does Nothing. And, unless I'm mistaken (which has definitely happened but not I think today), Move Five is Build The Wall.
"Well, I expect there will be a number of cartoons tomorrow depicting Pelosi and Schumer as some version of "American Gothic."
-- You don't know how glad I am someone else saw that.
Polosi and Schumer's responses don't correlate to what Trump said.
I would score the speeches
Schumer: Terrible
Trump: Robotic
Pelosi: Terrible + Robotic
So Pelosi wins.
I wonder: Would Trump sign a CR that just provided salaries for federal workers?
I mean, that's a huge part of the budget, so he'd lose A LOT of leverage in hurting #TheResistance (and the innocent government civilians/second order economic impactees) to pressure Democrats... but it would take away one of the biggest thorns in his side too.
"Polosi and Schumer's responses don't correlate to what Trump said."
-- No real way for it to do so, since they probably didn't actually hear it while they were preparing. They dismissed it at the start with, basically, "He's a liar who probably lied to you again, so, let's just all accept that, and move on."
rhhardin
He's going on winning over women. ...
Good point. I think that Trump's speech mostly tried to change women's opinions about the subject.
“Maybe there's no chance the liberals will listen but The Case Was Made on TV in front of everyone.”
What “Case”?
The Case he made was the same one that Trump Cultists were already convinced of. He convinced no one else. This has been a huge loser for him, massive. Limbaugh and Coulter will spank him tomorrow.
Having watched Shumer/Pelosi I get the idea that the shutdown is really hurting dems with their base.
PDJT asking people to call them will probably scare them even more.
I'll bet $2 that the Dems cave. PDJT will probably give up something meaningless for window dressing but he will get the money to build a wall/fence/slats/physical barrier.
John Henry
I still say the major problem is on this side of the border. Enough instances of the Constitution being flouted by the states "legalizing" this that and the other - marijuana, registering illegal aliens to vote, enrolling them in welfare programs, establishing "sanctuary" cities, prohibiting state and local officials from cooperating with federal officials, etc. and so on, and on - without the Federal Government calling them to account for this, will serve the Democrats' aim to show that pesky old Constitution is outdated and needs to be repealed and replaced. They never have liked it and never will.
That's kind of right Hagar. I think the biggest thing to stop illegal immigration would be enforcement of things like e-Verify and actual punishments for people hiring illegals and a crackdown on sanctuary cities by withholding government funding.
But, no one's really got the stones to do that.
They keep talking about PDJT shutting down govt for years. Bernie Sanders is on now with this line.
I wonder if they realize how many of us see this as a feature rather than a bug.
Weeks, months? Sounds good to me.
Years?
Sounds even better.
John Henry
There is no rational reason that Congress cannot be sending piecemeal budgets for things that are actual priorities. Instead of viewing The Budget as a single, omnibus, unreadable doorstopper -- maybe... treat it like a series of discrete payments for goods and services?
Does, for example, the National Park Service NEED to be married to border funding?
Schumer did say "we can welcome illegal immigrants and refugees without compromising security."
I think the statement that our priority is to "welcome illegal immigrants" is a potential weak point, because in general this is what Rs accuse Ds of doing.
"Well, I expect there will be a number of cartoons tomorrow depicting Pelosi and Schumer as some version of "American Gothic."
I couldn't put my finger on it til I read your comment. Spot on.
I didn't watch it live, but on delay on YouTube. Does someone have a link that isn't polluted by the so-called "fact checks" -- some of which were transparently false and misleading.
SSchumer said "Welcome illegal immigrants"?
Freak show.
No, but this is a straightforward "pissing contest."
Pelosi kind of let her slip show when she said the Constitution holds her "equal to the President."
That only happens after the President and Vice-President are both dead, but she apparently does not want to wait.
I found Pelosi's idea to 'pass the budget and then we'll talk' to be persuasive.
When we have a Republican president, Congress is co-equal to the President.
When we have a Democrat president, the President should rule with a pen and a phone to get around an obstructionist Congress.
LOL eeeeek! holy crap
Schumer is from New York and DeBlasio - "Big Bird" - just announced NYC will welcome all illegal aliens to the City free health care system.
O Mike - are you kidding? Like 'we have to pass the budget so we can find out what is in it?'
Big Mike,
It's a game of strip poker, and Pelosi is offering to "talk" if Trump will agree to strip down to his shorts first.
Those don't appear to be Chihuahua puppies. Anybody got an idea what they are?
The flipping dogs - what they don't show you is the torture.
@Hagar, where you responding to my comment before I posted it? Or were you responding to some other Mike?
Has anyone else noticed how weak Schumer appeared next to Pelosi? And has not this been increasingly so for some time now?
Oops! Apologies Big Mike; it was Original Mike's post that set me off.
“Pelosi kind of let her slip show when she said the Constitution holds her "equal to the President."
That only happens after the President and Vice-President are both dead, but she apparently does not want to wait.”
There are three co equal branches of government. The Executive, the Judicial and the Legislative.
You never heard of this before?
I think the biggest thing to stop illegal immigration would be enforcement of things like e-Verify and actual punishments for people hiring illegals.
I heard an idea, 6-8 years ago. If you get caught hiring an illegal, the Govt forces you to pay for their Green Card. I guess they are relatively expensive. Sounds like the right kind of incentive.
Inga agrees with me. Don't cha, Inga?
The left are so insecure about Hillary losing to Trump they need to tell themselves that Pelosi is basically the real president. Just ignore Pelosi's old rich incoherence, and the wall around her home.
"You never heard of this before?"
-- I mean, I tried explaining this during Obama's tenure, but he had a pen and a phone.
There are three co equal branches of government. The Executive, the Judicial and the Legislative.
You never heard of this before?
1/8/19, 9:05 PM
Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, not the head of the entire Legislative branch. So she is not equal to the President.
I see Inga is still painfully stupid.
I think the party's over for 45.
I thought the speech was effective. Trump raised the dead. A couple of corpses appeared shortly afterward to rebut it.
I think the party is over for America. The leftwing machine will crush us. That's the goal.
+ Leftists eating their own. Jew Hated alive and well on the radical left.
You can be gay, intern in the Obama White House, work on Barack Obama’s reelection campaign, and serve as the Silicon Valley fundraising director for the Clinton presidential campaign in 2016, but if you also happen to be Jewish and support the existence of Israel, hard leftists want you gone, as 29-year-old Manny Yekutiel found out the hard way when he opened a café/bookstore in San Francisco’s Mission District
The Hopeless Hoax Dossier True believer Inga: "There are three co equal branches of government. The Executive, the Judicial and the Legislative.
You never heard of this before?"
We thought we had, then all of a sudden obama started legislatin' like there was no tomorrow! And then Judge Roberts started rewriting laws on the spot!
Bur lets take Inga at her word: Nancy Pelosi is the co-equal of Trump.
Then what is Mitch McConnell?
Does he get to be a co-equal too? And if so, why didnt Inga bring this up during the obama admin when, apparently, Ryan was equal to obama?
LOL
We already know why Inga and LLR Chuck toss this stuff out there.
And its hilarious.
A great speech is all about delivery. Trump cannot deliver a speech. His specialty is flame throwing in ways that are unexpected by a politician. But this was not the venue or moment for a flame being thrown. This was his moment to state what should be the obvious case for national security, and he failed to do so with a monotonous, detached reading of a weak script. Don't they have any writers in this White House? This should have been a layup.
As for the Chuck & Nancy Show, does the nation really need a rebuttal for every speech Trump gives? Did we have rebuttals to Obama? Anyway- Chuck and Nancy may have said some things but I could not tell. I was too transfixed on how they looked. They put a whole new level of 'eep' in Creepiness.
Chuck and Nancy pretend to care about border security, then act like brats as they address the issue with their condescension and hypocrisy.
Chuck and Nancy want border security too, they won't give in to Trump because they are the ones throwing the tantrum. Assholes.
"I was too transfixed on how they looked. They put a whole new level of 'eep' in Creepiness."
American Gothic, 2019.
The dems and their LLR allies are probing to see if Trump will fall for the same trick they used on HW Bush re:no new taxes.
The dems and their trained LLR lap poodles still havent figured out they arent dealing with a John "how may I surrender to you today" Kasich-type LLR.
Did you know that Kasich's father was a mail carrier?
That might explain why Kasich is so happy to be carrying water for the dems today...
"I was too transfixed on how they looked. They put a whole new level of 'eep' in Creepiness."
Yeah, that was not a good mark or camera level for Chuck and Nancy. Really odd. But you wanna know what was really creepy? Trump's constant sniffing.
There are three co equal branches of government. The Executive, the Judicial and the Legislative.
Is Mitch McConnell Pelosi's co-equal? Is each Justice a co-equal? What about Pence? He's second in succession. Where's his co-equal power? There must be 13 co-equals by Inga logic: 9 Justices, the titular head of each House, and Trump. I'm not sure if this flies, Inga. It's certainly never taught in civics.
I think you know, and I think Pelosi knows, that there are 3 co-equal branches of Government, but that the power is is unequally vested within these branches.
Really odd. But you wanna know what was really creepy? Trump's constant sniffing.
Betcha that Alec Baldwin picks up on that this Saturday. That's how predictable and unoriginal that show has become.
good video, keep it up
Hillary Clinton Retweeted
Hillary Clinton
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3h3 hours ago
Want to fight back against Trump's ridiculous address tonight?
Send some support to organizations that help kids at the border.
The only border crisis we're facing is the inhumane detention of kids that has already led to the deaths of two children.
They look like papillons.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Verified account @AOC
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Jon Meacham
“Build a wall of steel, a wall as high as Heaven” against immigrants.
- 1924 Ku Klux Klan convention
We know our history, and we are determined not to repeat its darkest hour.
America is a nation of immigrants. Without immigrants, we are not America.
Schumer and Pelosi translation: We refuse to negotiate as long as we feel pressure to offer concessions. After all, we never negotiated in good faith before and we'll be damned if we start now.
Anybody learn anything substantive from the speech and rebuttals? Me neither.
"America is a nation of immigrants. Without immigrants, we are not America."
Trump did not argue against immigration.
And AOC has apparently never bothered to take a ferry over to Ellis Island. European immigrants to America did not just step off the boat and waltz merrily into the country. They were processed and medically examined and a certain number were refused entry, mainly for health reasons.
If Trump declared a National Emergency, it would seem...abrupt to the American people.
In this speech
1) He laid out the humanitarian case
2) He laid out the abuses done by some illegal immigrants
3) He outlined the security threat
4) He outlined the hypocrisy of Schumer and Pelosi at changing their stance. Most telling: "They used to be 'for this' until I got to be president". He makes this look like a personal smear by them on him.
5) He noted that the Democrats live in Walled Communities. His best line: "We do not have walls because we hate the people outside of them. We build them because we love the people inside."
Now the lumpen proletariat has had a small wake up call by making this address and the vast majority who have totally missed the government shut down and the dispute can now think about it.
This was aimed at the Right and the Middle since the Left and Chuck refuse to countenance any contrary ideas.
In the State of the Union, this will be a big part and the image of Democrats sitting on their hands when he lays out some undeniable problems will be very bad optics.
In a month, he has more leeway to declare a national emergency. I wonder how that ties with the present position of that dreaded caravan everyone was talking about until it reflected badly on Democrats.
From this point forward every murder, every instance of manslaughter, committed by an individual not legally in this country, should weigh on the conscience of every Democrat.
Except Democrats do not have consciences (c. f., Inga, Trumpit, et. al ).
Candace Owens
Verified account @RealCandaceO
1h1 hour ago
The most important part of the #TrumpAddress was his reminder that those most negatively impacted by illegal immigration are Black and Hispanic Americans.
From abortion to open borders, never forget that rich white Democrats ALWAYS fight for things that hurt minorities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwb9-OlQimc
Boy George - I'll Tumble For Ya
@walter, limousine liberals like Chuck need a steady supply of people willing to perform maid service on their McMansions and mow their lawns for peanuts. Best of all, from their perspective, is that they can abuse the illegals because to whom are they going to complain? ICE?
For Democrats the Wall is like repealing and replacing Obamacare was for Republicans — a platform to run on in the expectation you’d never really have to do anything about it for real.
"I'll Tumble for you", according to several Brit friends of mine, in the LGBT community meant that a guy (or girl) would be willing to be a 'top' or 'bottom' for someone. Hence the "tumble".
DWAYNE TAYLOR · 5 years ago
I did not watch Trump or Schelosi - China did. If Trump caves to Dems - China will figure Trump will crumble during their negotiations too.
Gov. Mike Huckabee
Verified account @GovMikeHuckabee
1h1 hour ago
Was this a Democrat response or a hostage tape?
chickenlittle said...
I didn't watch it live, but on delay on YouTube. Does someone have a link that isn't polluted by the so-called "fact checks" -- some of which were transparently false and misleading.
**********
It's just SOP for the Lamestream Media.
Anyone remember when CNN did a split-screen of George w. Bush giving a speech on one side, and a display of supposedly contemporaneous stock market rises and falls on the other?
AS IF investors, brokers, whatever could instantly buy or sell based on what GWB had said just an instant before. Pure bullshit. Especially since the numbers rose and fell erratically while he was speaking.
I'm tellin' ya....come the counter-revolution, these media people will be first to be put up against many walls.
I thought that was The Marketing Division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation?
2 desiccated Dems exhumed, the mummy's curse is real
Heh, remember what happened to the scc?
I assume the whitehouse site has it unfiltered
Speaking of putting the eep in creepy, try looking into Chuck Schumer's eyes while Pelosi talks.
My kids were not impressed with his delivery, even the proto-Republican.
Schumer and Pelosi...if Snorting Trump seemed rather low energy, they looked like someone was pointing guns at them! Schumer had a marginally better delivery but this is not saying much.
The speech had to make the emotional appeal because the declaration of a "National Emergency" is the stick, not the carrot. Implied in the entire speech is that Trump will act if Congress refuses. It was smart not going into bloodless details about finances and such. I can't remember an address this short and to the point from any president.
https://cis.org/Camarota/Can-Wall-Pay-Itself-Update
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Elizabeth Landers
Verified account @ElizLanders
6h6 hours ago
I asked @WillHurd if he found the @VP persuasive in the caucus meeting today:
“I’m sure he did to some,” he said adding, “I was just on the border. If something is a crisis why are you not paying the people that are taking care of the crisis?”
My daughter is pretty liberal.
She asked me 'how much would it cost for the fence?'
I told her $75 per person (I assumed that the actual price tag was $25 billion, not the initial $5).
She got a face and said 'That's it? I'm worth more than $75'.
So don't dismiss the fiscals here. The actual cost for the $5 billion is $15 per person. A lock set for my door probably costs more.
Sure..but that thinking only works until she is called Raaaaaciiiissst!.
Well that made my day as I was working on Obama healthcare regulations reporting at work, nauseating. Go Mr. President. I see Barry just happens to be over at the Sony Open thingy, kissing babies even. Swoon.....
No Borders, No Wall, No USA at all!
--Chuck and Nancy.
Go fuck yourself and the rest of your death cult.
Althouse believed her Media "experts" that Trump would flip.
The rebuttal is high comedy. They after the support of serial killers, I'd guess.
Six american flags. Not enough.
That was the most disciplined speech I've seen President Trump make. He stayed on message, and the message was strong for anyone with any common sense: The people that we, the legal citizens of this country, have elected to represent us, need to do their job and protect us from those who would come here illegally and victimize American citizens.
The sad fact is that Democrat politicians care more about illegal aliens who they hope will eventually become Democrat voters than they do about American citizens who are being robbed, assaulted, raped and murdered by the thousands by illegal aliens who have no business being here in the first place. Democrat politicians think that you can't make a Democrat voter omelet without breaking a lot of eggs. That's not "fear-mongering"; that's a fact.
I didn't see the Schumer/Pelosi response, but I didn't need to. I know they were lying because their lips were moving.
I can think of so few other instances where a few murders are minimized as statistically insignificant by Democrats. School shootings are considered worth drastic changes and any cost if it saved even one life. But, "oh, only a small handful of MS-13 got into the country. It isn't worth the expense! And it might not help either way!"
I mean. They might even be right. But the rank hypocrisy of it rankles a bit.
Found the Schumer/Pelosi response. Their lips were moving.
The hilarious memes about their speech that are making the rounds are better than their speech itself.
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As to the "sniffing": I have many allergies that affect my sinuses as well as a slightly deviated septum in my left nostril. Over the years, this has led to me developing a "nervous habit" of "sniffing" when it isn't even necessary. Like many nervous habits, I do it almost subconsciously but people notice it, occasionally offering me a tissue. I have to concentrate to not do it.
My take on Trump's sniffing: he might be experiencing what I do, except on a presidential level.
THEOLDMAN
If they don't do backflips they'll be food for pit bulls.
Same old, same old, half truths and scary stories.
List them.
In detail.
Or shut up.
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