People reports:
He started off by singing, “I wanna cry right now. Black man in America, you’re supposed to keep what you feel inside right now. And the liberals bully you and tell you what you can and cannot wear, where you and they can’t not stare. And they look at me and say, ‘It’s not fair. How the hell did you get here?’ Well…”Trump weighed in:
Wearing a Make America Great Again hat, he then delivered an unexpected speech in front of SNL performers like Colin Jost and host Adam Driver as some audience members booed. “Actually, blacks weren’t always Democrats,” he started. “It’s like a plan they did to take the fathers out the homes and promote welfare. Does anybody know about that? That’s the Democratic plan.”
Like many, I don’t watch Saturday Night Live (even though I past hosted it) - no longer funny, no talent or charm. It is just a political ad for the Dems. Word is that Kanye West, who put on a MAGA hat after the show (despite being told “no”), was great. He’s leading the charge!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2018
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The Apostle Kanye
Trump is right (of course) about SNL being (well paid) shills of the DNC.
The Apostate. Kanye/YE
So not so live then?
Seriously, is there anyone tuned in who doesn’t beleive the week will end with anything other than the media leading us and/or two ‘republicans’ to the media’s favored outcome?
Okay, it might take a few FBI Deep Staters, too.
It is unfortunate that SNL is all Democrat. Poking holes in the Holy Grail of the Democratic Party would be helpful -- and funny. But I doubt the audience would find the humor.
That’s some subversive right there.
Dead man walking.
Kanye is obviously a racist, sexist, homophobic, LGBTQXXX misanthrope that he should not be allowed to speak.
If he speaks, he should be sanctioned. There is no room for hate.
Democrats have not been this angry at Republicans since we freed their slaves,.
He likes fish sticks.
Haven't watched SNL in a long time
Gets him publicity, which entertainers always want, but still, it's kind of brave of him.
"...off the reservation"
Dems hate that any minorities they've long "cultivated" for support stop turning out to support them, but they REALLY hate it when popular and well-known minorities leave the res and in the process tell the others.
Remember when Kanye first announced his support for the Trump admin a few months back? They HATE him for this (dont forget all the Twitter flaming it caused)...
Just like a slave off the res...they can't let him bring news of freedom.
Kanye didn't go far enough.
He shoulda told the audience and the Althouses:
"So you want us to believe the women? Ask Emmett Till.
First they get the judge, then they come for you, n**."
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"For six decades, she has been the silent woman linked to one of the most notorious crimes in the nation’s history, the lynching of Emmett Till, a 14-year-old black boy, keeping her thoughts and memories to herself as millions of strangers idealized or vilified her.
But all these years later, a historian says that the woman has broken her silence, and acknowledged that the most incendiary parts of the story she and others told about Emmett — claims that seem tame today but were more than enough to get a black person killed in Jim Crow-era Mississippi — were false.
The woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, spoke to Timothy B. Tyson, a Duke University professor — possibly the only interview she has given to a historian or journalist since shortly after the episode — who has written a book, “The Blood of Emmett Till,” to be published next week.
In it, he wrote that she said of her long-ago allegations that Emmett grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude toward her, “that part is not true.""
The hive-himd brown shirt mob left will destroy you if you dare leave the leftwing loyalty resort.
Adam Driver is the ugliest "leading man" I have ever seen.
Ugh!
@Mike K So true!
The clip in the post is only part of it.
Some more:
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/09/kanye-wears-maga-cap-on-snl.html?m=1
Including responding to a comment Trump is a racist.
West’s father was a Black Panther.
A few more prominent negroes get off the plantation and the game is over for the Democrats
Right on a Michael K. To the liberals & Dems Kanye’s become just an uppity ni**er.
-sw
Fortunately he can afford excellent security.
A white black who didn't meet the diversity quota.
Ask Emmett Till. First they get the judge, then they come for you, n**."
Sex diversity is inclusive. Black, brown, yellow men are already censured as white. NOW, Progressives have set their sights on the white girl next door. Forward thinkers that they are.
That's what "speaking truth to power" actually looks like. The corporate owned and controlled media outlets in this country ARE power, if anything is.
Moynihan was on that 50 years ago, but he didn’t describe it as a plot.
And Moynihan was “deep state”.
More like an unanticipated consequence.
https://i.redditmedia.com/RyAa_34pTthVRtdMxFlwHEyxfTwxpHJ_QoyjBemi52k.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=9ce0cb5746915d7891ad18c0ad09354e
One of the things that turned Reagan conservative was the ridiculously high income tax rates he was paying in the 40's and 50's. The top media celebrities make many millions seemingly overnight, so they don't care, but you'd think the struggling/middling level would wise up. Must be the peer pressure.
They cut him off, a man of color, because they didn't like what he had to say? Well. Sounds like there's some serious unexamined white privilege up in SNL.
@Althouse, when Amazon sells a t-shirt that says "Democrats have not been this angry at Republicans since we freed their slaves", I'll buy through the portal. Let them know.
Thanks Michael K!
BTW has Joe Biden explained to Kanye that it's the Republicans that want to put Blacks back in chains?
Moynihan was in the labor department, then Nixon's domestic advisor and un ambassador, not really deep state.
It's a good thing nobody asks him about reparations, or else all this Right-Wing praise would disappear in an instant.
Believe me, I know.
when Amazon sells a t-shirt that says "Democrats have not been this angry at Republicans since we freed their slaves", I'll buy through the portal. Let them know.
I actually found a place that printed tee shirts in 2016., I had one printed,.
" Trump White House 2016"
Bernie Nut House 2016.
Hillary Big House 2016."
I wore it around my Bernie Bro daughter.
It's a good thing nobody asks him about reparations,
you mean sucking the white man's tit, Crack ?
You mean the white woman's tit, MK?
Actually, Crack will probably suck just about anything.
The display of support here is disgusting, since I know if he said one thing y'all disagree with, you'd turn on him - just as Democrats would. He's bi-polar, which doesn't help your cause either, considering you pounded him before for saying other things.
Basically, black people are having a debate, but y'all ain't part of it - but you still act and talk like it's all about you.
It's pretty ugly.
I would love for 20-25% of blacks to vote GOP. Fuck these left-wing poverty pimps.
And,Yes,if that were to happen, I would entertain some form of reparations for our dark skin brethren. Gotta give up the affirmative action, gotta give up the racial spoils system, and gotta give up the Democrat political plantation.
Let's make a deal!
"It's a good thing nobody asks him about reparations, or else all this Right-Wing praise would disappear in an instant."
When someone is right, they're right. When they're wrong they're wrong. It's not always one or the other. Sometimes, even Trump is wrong. (Can you believe I just said that?)
Char Char Binks said...
You mean the white woman's tit, MK?
Actually, Crack will probably suck just about anything.
See? One criticism and "Crack will probably suck just about anything."
Y'all ain't true about anything but white support.
Name me a single black person, before this, that any of you have openly supported this week.
I'll wait.
His father is Ray West, a former Black Panther, so it is not like Kanye West is not familiar with the Black Liberation Movement (now called Black Lives Matter).
His mother is an English professor, so it is not like he's a ghetto child.
Both parties are experts, now, in weaponized stigma - it's how they enforce ideological compliance. As Kanye said, bullying.
Both sides suck for that.
That's from Don Surber.
I heard a lot of talk about "love" and how bad Democrats are - even see a Trump hat - but not one word about how cool Republicans are.
That's for a reason.
Narayanan Subramanian said...
"His mother is an English professor, so it is not like he's a ghetto child."
That sentence, alone, would make most black people roll their eyes. I mean, what difference does that make?
Tim Scott, Clarence Thomas - any black that's not a leftist, I support.
The worst thing in the Republican Party are Republicans.
Put that on a t-shirt.
It's honest, too.
Bay Area Guy said...
"Tim Scott, Clarence Thomas - any black that's not a leftist, I support."
Just not without prompting and always online - nowhere most blacks can hear or see you.
There's no whites doing what Kanye does - going out and challenging people.
Just cowardly talk amongst yourselves of how much credit nobody's giving you for things you haven't done. Like make blacks feel comfortable around you.
Michael K said....
"you mean sucking the white man's tit, Crack ?"
That's when Kanye would've hit him over the head with a chair.
Crack, serious question: What should we whites do to make blacks feel comfortable around us?
@Crack Here are a few names of famous Blacks in the current news: Tiger Woods -- you must have missed the hordes of fans following him when he won, Serena Williams -- you must have missed the outrage over how she was treated at the US Open, Michelle Obama -- you must have missed how people are filling stadiums and paying huge ticket prices to hear her talk about her new book, King James, duh... and Shonda Rhimes and Viola Davis... and Beyonce and JayZ and Cardi B... I'm sure there are tons of football players and basketball players who are being discussed by fans but I don't follow those sports that so I can't name names.
I really don't know what you are talking about.
Allen West, Clarence Thomas, Condaleeza Rice, Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Walter E Williams. Shall I go on?
Oso Negro said...
Allen West, Clarence Thomas, Condaleeza Rice, Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Walter E Williams. Shall I go on?
Yes. That's a short list.
Not where blacks can see? You mean like when the state of South Carolina elected Tim Scott? The ballot box was too private? And the swearing-in ceremony too?
Weird.
@ Crack "There's no whites doing what Kanye does - going out and challenging people" How about: Donald J. Trump, Steve Bannon, Scott Adams, Milo, Ben Shapiro, James Woods, Roseanne Barr, etc., etc.
Oso Negro said...
"Allen West, Clarence Thomas, Condaleeza Rice, Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Walter E Williams."
Not only is it an (extremely) short list - there are literally millions of black people but you like seven? - but it's so ideologically stringent, I wonder if you like black America at all? Or does everyone have to conform to the Right to get there?
Condaleeza Rice.
Brilliant woman. I would donate and campaign for her if she ran for president.
Depicted as a thick lip parrot on Bush's shoulder by the cartoonist for the WaPo (may have been NYT.
Disgusting bastards.
Mr. Majestyk said...
"Crack, serious question: What should we whites do to make blacks feel comfortable around us?"
Stop opening conversations with talk of "sucking the white man's tit" or "plantations" or giving yourselves credit for what Kanye says.
That would be a start.
R.J. Chatt said...
I didn't ask about " famous Blacks in the current news" but this crew - here - and how they behave racially. I always have to be the one who brings up the fact Kanye is bi-polar, because these fools only see him as a political symbol, not a human being dealing with his personal issues publicly. Where were they when he was saying "George Bush doesn't like black people"? Calling him an idiot. Where were they when he was calling himself a "Genius"? Calling him an jackass - along with Obama. Now he wears a "MAGA" hat and he's the lightning rod of the Right?
Give me a break - he's still bi-polar.
And this crew still ain't no different, either.
R.J. Chatt said...
@ Crack "There's no whites doing what Kanye does - going out and challenging people" How about: Donald J. Trump, Steve Bannon, Scott Adams, Milo, Ben Shapiro, James Woods, Roseanne Barr, etc., etc.
Those are whites talking to whites - about blacks. They're not in South Central, or Harlem, shaking the trees for converts. They're hiding in plain sight.
Crack, You are here on a conservative leaning blog and complaining that not enough people here recognize famous Blacks on the Left -- that has nothing to do with race and everything to do with their ideas. I'm sure there are plenty of blogs where people are thrilled with Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Don Lemon, Valerie Jarrett, Keith Ellison, etc.
What are you asking for? Some kind of badge of approval for Blacks by Whites? Guess what? If you are looking for external validation you are missing a major lesson in life.
"Stop opening conversations with talk of 'sucking the white man's tit' or 'plantations' or giving yourselves credit for what Kanye says.
That would be a start."
Well, I personally would't using the "sucking" or "plantations" language quoted above. Not my style. It did not strike me as outrageous, but it is good to know how it made you feel. Confirms my aversion to that kind of language. I think the points can be made without those terms. On your last point, I don't think white people are giving themselves credit for what Kanye says. Folks were just agreeing with what he said.
What else?
Not caring about skin color but instead preferring political perspectives that increase opportunity and individual freedom now defines racism.
Birkel said...
"Not where blacks can see? You mean like when the state of South Carolina elected Tim Scott? The ballot box was too private? And the swearing-in ceremony too?"
I see Tim Scott as a miracle. You're going to need more than him - all of you will need a lot more in a nation of millions - to shake off the image you've made for yourselves.
And don't shoot the messenger: I'm here talking to you - the very thing I'm saying you're not doing.
So, after reparations are paid to every black person in America, what about the following generations?
A check for every baby?
Birkel said...
"Not caring about skin color when you know the country was built not just on it but on stigmatizing one group in particular - the one you still stimatize for dealing with these issues and facts - isn't helpful.
FullMoon said...
So, after reparations are paid to every black person in America, what about the following generations?
A check for every baby?
I know a comment isn't worthy of an answer when it's just nonsense with nothing to do with either what I've said or it's intent.
"Yes. That's a short list."
You didn't ask for a long list. You asked for "a single black person."
I'll give you exactly what you asked for and no more: John James
There have been studies on people's perceptions about how large is the black population of the US -- lots of people, apparently including Crack, think the number is 30-40% of the population, much higher than it is. Actually the percentage is closer to 12-13%. Hispanics are about 13- 14%, probably more if you count the illegals. But I don't hear Crack complainting that we don't talk more about famous Hispanics. Marco Rubio, Jennifer Lopez, I think I can name more famous blacks than Hispanics. But that's not good enough, never good enough.
"Those are whites talking to whites - about blacks. They're not in South Central, or Harlem, shaking the trees for converts. They're hiding in plain sight."
Interesting point. After the 2012 election, I thought the Republican party really needed to do outreach to blacks, as Crack suggests. In electoral college terms, I am not sure South Central or Harlem would be the place to start, as those states are so heavily Democratic that even reasonably successful outreach would not make a difference in the end. But I do think something along the lines Crack suggests is needed.
Crack, any ideas on how the Republican Party or conservative intellectuals could begin this process? How should they "shake the tree for converts" among blacks? I don't mean to be dense, but I am interested in what you might suggest.
I too blame Democrats for owning slaves. My people lived in what is now the U.S. but wasn't back then.
Not sure why I care skin color when ideas are what move me. You might not want me to care about race.
JAORE said...
Condaleeza Rice.
Brilliant woman. I would donate and campaign for her if she ran for president."
Agreed, and nice to hear - but she could still bend white's ears on what they don't "get" racially. Even she knows being respectable isn't enough. I've heard her say it. Why conservative whites don't repeat the things even conservative blacks say, in defense of the rest, is revealing of hearing what they want to hear - just like liberals. Which is why I say they're the same, but conservatives put the emphasis in different places. They lie and say they're colorblind, by attacking anyone who isn't - which has been the normal state in America. It's a childish ploy for attention, not MLK's dream.
Althouse wants me to care about female issues from her perspective.
Crack wants me to care about black people from his perspective.
I want freedom for all.
Those who wish to impose do so with permission or force.
Or not at all.
Choose.
She's a talented polymath, but her advice on the middle East was dangerously off point.
Diamond and Silk, Candace Owens -- they are Conservative Black women. Crack, have you listened to them? Are they ignored by blacks because they are black/women/Trump supporters? To me it seems like they are interested in living their best lives and being Conservatives offers the best opportunities to do that. You should probably direct your comments to them because I don't know what you mean by "Why conservative whites don't repeat the things even conservative blacks say, in defense of the rest, is revealing of hearing what they want to hear - just like liberals." Would they agree with you or not?
The Balkans, Ireland Lebanon we can throw in Kashmir if you wish, places that nourish a grudge in just the ways you suggest.
R.J. Chatt said...
"Crack, You are here on a conservative leaning blog and complaining that not enough people here recognize famous Blacks on the Left -- that has nothing to do with race and everything to do with their ideas."
Kanye said to use your heart and not your head. No, that's what you think I'm complaining about. Like you think this is a "conservative leaning blog" - y'all just gather here. Ann's all over the board, as am I. You see what you want to see, and demand we conform. I see people straining to pat themselves on the back for the words of a black man who, if I remember correctly, didn't say a word about Republicans in his entire rant. Where's all this We Did It shit coming from? You really think Michael K makes friends with American blacks online or off - or just with his cherished African students he can stereotype?
"I'm sure there are plenty of blogs where people are thrilled with Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Don Lemon, Valerie Jarrett, Keith Ellison, etc."
See, that's not what I'm talking about. You're ideologues - that's what I'm talking about. No different from that list.
"What are you asking for?"
The same thing Kanye is, that you can't hear.
"Some kind of badge of approval for Blacks by Whites?"
You sound like that would be outlandish: actually liking the people you call countrymen. I think that would be new and beneficial to the Right. They ought to try it.
"Guess what? If you are looking for external validation you are missing a major lesson in life."
We're still trying to get over SLAVERY and you think we got life all figured out? Whites should be cooler to us for no other reason than they're even more clueless than we are sometimes.
If that idiot is on my side, I'm on the other side.
R.J. Chatt said...
"Diamond and Silk, Candace Owens -- they are Conservative Black women."
That's a lie. Diamond and Silk were BLM until Trump ran - hardly conservatives. They're opportunists, milking it. When it's over, they're gone.
"Crack, have you listened to them?"
Clearly, better than you have.
"Are they ignored by blacks because they are black/women/Trump supporters?"
No, but because - like I'm saying about y'all - they hide where they don't have to face the music. Kanye goes out. I go out. Y'all stay where it's safe.
"To me it seems like they are interested in living their best lives and being Conservatives offers the best opportunities to do that."
You're cherry-picking people, and opportunistically grafting yourselves to anything that even remotely looks like what you're assuming to be true. That's weird.
"You should probably direct your comments to them because I don't know what you mean by "Why conservative whites don't repeat the things even conservative blacks say, in defense of the rest, is revealing of hearing what they want to hear - just like liberals.""
It's pretty clear: conservative blacks DO say things in DEFENSE of less conservative blacks that conservative whites IGNORE in favor of repeating the DOGMA their IDEOLOGY leads them to repeat endlessly.
"Would they agree with you or not?"
They'd have to talk to me - I'm pretty unique compared to them. Diamond & Silk are almost Mammy characters (that preference is not good for white's image, either) and Candace Owens has a stick stuck so far up her butt, I doubt many blacks would like her on general purpose. Myself included. So - hey - your hero.
It's a step-up, for you, I guess.
Leave me alone to enjoy my personal freedom = ideologue.
Do what I demand under threat of government monopoly power = ideologue.
Yet they are not equivalent things.
Cult = physicists who believe in 14-dimensional space-time.
Cult = people who believe a comet is a space ship that will take them to another planet so they kill themselves
Some cults are better than others.
Im sure he does because he doesn't rip off the Bandage and pour Carbolic acid he tries to find common ground, family sports other interests,
Birkel said...
"Leave me alone to enjoy my personal freedom = ideologue.
Do what I demand under threat of government monopoly power = ideologue.
Yet they are not equivalent things."
No, they're not, but whites made this little problem. See, they won't leave blacks alone - and they outnumber us - so we need the government to keep them off our back.
How do you solve that?
And look how well that strategy has worked, a Douglas/Washington plan was,probably a hard cell, but it's better than Dubois filosopher class/revolutionary vanguard one.
Birkel said...
"Althouse wants me to care about female issues from her perspective."
No, I think she wants you to care about them. That would be a start. Gaining some humanity.
"Crack wants me to care about black people from his perspective."
Wow. I just say to be our "fellow Americans", and you make it sound like a threat.
"I want freedom for all."
As long as you have more.
"Those who wish to impose do so with permission or force."
Here's another one who sees "enemies" everywhere. Good Lord.
"Or not at all."
It's Barry Goldwater's shit stain.
"Choose."
Flush.
Property rights.
Gun rights.
Free markets.
Free speech.
See, I would sell good or services to you, TCE, if your check clears.
No race involved.
My ancestors could not secure their property rights and were forced onto communist reservations.
So I start with that one.
narciso said...
"And look how well that strategy has worked, a Douglas/Washington plan was,probably a hard cell, but it's better than Dubois filosopher class/revolutionary vanguard one."
It's funny how you don't despise whites for that result, considering how much they were involved in the decision.
Whites not being cool plays a huge role in everything.
Birkel said...
"See, I would sell good or services to you, TCE, if your check clears.
No race involved."
Racist whites set you up well. Sorry I won't respect you for that.
It was a,hard sell because of jim crow, deindustrialization made it harder, social liberalism just threw an olive and shook it all up.
Care about you? No.
I care about those around me.
My humanity is not measured by your hobby horse.
Nice try.
You'll find no white guilt here.
All I want for you is procedural fairness under the law.
TCE,
I legitimately dislike you but would sell any goods or services you wanted so long as we both voluntarily agreed. I want no power over you and would surrender none of mine to you.
The system you want is one where I am not forced to care.
Birkel said...
"Care about you? No."
Then don't ask me to kneel with you under the anthem. You're on your own.
"I care about those around me."
We're around you, Moron.
"My humanity is not measured by your hobby horse."
No, it's measured by how human you are, and you fail. Almost daily.
"Nice try."
Effortless.
"You'll find no white guilt here."
See? Ideology. I know I have told Birkel a million times that no one wants his guilt. Has it gotten through - after a million times? No. He's still going on about guilt. It's dogma. Ideology. He's a parrot. It's tiring.
"All I want for you is procedural fairness under the law."
No, you don't even want that. You lie, Birk. Even to yourself.
I've worked most of my life in jobs dominated by Black-Americans. But I'm white! How could that have happened?
I've had racist remarks made to me by white people? How is that possible?
The Crack Emcee said...
"... whites made this little problem. See, they won't leave blacks alone - and they outnumber us - so we need the government to keep them off our back.
How do you solve that?"
Well, Crack, some problems you can't solve, you just have to try to manage them, as best you can. But I'm not convinced this is one of them. You say you want to be left alone? Where? Can I interest you in the Moon?
You know if I don't know You, we might get along, but your pigheadedness really precludes that.
Dave said...
"I've worked most of my life in jobs dominated by Black-Americans. But I'm white! How could that have happened?"
There's cool white people. And I know black dudes who ran entire schools from a single stairwell.
Ask the rest of these guys. You're no mystery to me.
Jupiter said...
"Well, Crack, some problems you can't solve, you just have to try to manage them, as best you can."
That's what using the government is.
"But I'm not convinced this is one of them."
If you're white, you might not see why that sentence is so funny.
"You say you want to be left alone? Where? Can I interest you in the Moon?"
Just think of that: blacks have to go to the Moon to escape white antagonism. That's a sad statement on white people.
Here is what I am saying Crack, you have lots of potential allies on the right. That is what Trump saw, and that is what Kanye sees. Make friends; you will have more real ones on this side.
Dave said...
"I've had racist remarks made to me by white people? How is that possible?"
It sounds like you have black friends or have shown a certain comfort level with us. That usually gets the other's dander up.
Can't falsify "you're no mystery to me".
Ok, tell me what you know about East Tennessee.
And after reading you, I now know why blacks have abused me over the years. They've had a lot of power over me in my adult life. It is not pleasant.
But hey, I could never understand your experience.
Dave said...
"Here is what I am saying Crack, you have lots of potential allies on the right. That is what Trump saw, and that is what Kanye sees. Make friends; you will have more real ones on this side."
I know - just don't mention reparations. That's their red flag that gives themselves permission to revert to the KKK at will.
But is it honest? No. They want me to lie for them. They want me to abandon my family, friends, ancestors, community - for them, who I know will turn on me on a dime. And they want me to accept them with David Duke, etc.. For my friends and family, etc.
Fuck them.
I would use such language, i find it beneath the dignity to do so, however I've heard certain words flow like a fire hydrant out of others mouths
And hey, Dave, no one's asking that of you to be friendly with us.
That's the difference.
Let me just clarify here Crack:
Black people in general are super cool. You, though, are an asshole.
I'm telling you, and I am not fucking around: the Right is now like that white friend desperate to be able to have a black friend. They (we) are starving to have blacks on our side. It's like Pennsylvania: why is it blue? It shouldn't be. We think that way because lots of people in Pennsylvania seem red like us. So why don't they vote the same. Well now they do. Things are realigning.
The the poor are moving right, while the rich are moving left. So, the right is primarily composed of poor whites? Yes? Yes.
We have more in common with the black man (yes being specific), than we do our Republican congressmen.
(Black women are a little different because they are only one step down from Rich, Elite, White, Ivy League Women on the victim scale. But most of them, unlike the aforementioned, do not milk it.
TCE thinks he knows people because reasons.
No experience the Other has can matter.
He judges and then says the guilt of the judges is not necessary.
He says we but doesn't know who we know.
He doesn't care about that stuff.
The system that is preferable for all is one in which people are not forced to care.
The Crack Emcee said...
Dave said...
"Here is what I am saying Crack, you have lots of potential allies on the right."
I've had lots of friendships on the Right. They don't prove any more durable than those on the Left. Ideologues are ideologues. Conservatives usually want permission to slag blacks - that's "freedom" to them. They also usually want to control things. I don't always want to be around whites like that. Any more than I'd want to be around blacks who are excessively tripping on whites - which don't usually happen unless white people show up. If they want to look through my cabinets for pork, we might not see each other again.
You're all nuts to me.
...guilt of the judged...
"That's their red flag that gives themselves permission to revert to the KKK at will"
Oh, I see now. It's war, and we are the enemy no matter what.
So, now, you have chosen the left, aka, socialism just as the feminists have. IOW...you are not really interested in helping blacks. Shit, I'm thinking now you are false flag KKK. Like you are really white power, Clayton Bigsby.
TCE cannot let go his ancestors.
Funny that they let you go.
I mean, they are dead and all.
Hard for them to have a hold on you.
They let go.
Reciprocate.
OMG ITS RIGHT IN HIS NAME!!!! HE IS A WHITE DUDE!!!
!!!111!!!1!1!
(deadpan) eleventy
Aaron mcgruder gets tiring, even on the garage vehicle called comedy central.
Everything he says looks like it is engineered to hurt blacks.
Doesn't he seem to say the most provactive things (troll perhaps is the word). Why?
Oh narciso, you're saying I'm giving him too much credit. I'm embarassed now. Occam's razor FTW.
I have never liked his music, and still don't. But if you want a picture of courage, it is him pulling out that hat in that venue. Its equivalent would have been Jeff Flake voting for Kavanaugh's confirmation Saturday morning and still going on stage at Global Citizen.
Dave said...
"Black people in general are super cool. You, though, are an asshole."
I take a bow.
"I'm telling you, and I am not fucking around: the Right is now like that white friend desperate to be able to have a black friend"
But we're desperate for justice - not friends. We're cool on friends. Deliver justice and we'll consider you friends, how about that?
"They (we) are starving to have blacks on our side."
Don't act like it.
"It's like Pennsylvania: why is it blue? It shouldn't be."
And you say I'm the asshole? Figure it out, Man.
"We think that way because lots of people in Pennsylvania seem red like us."
Blacks "on the plantation" are way more conservative than whites pretend.
"So why don't they vote the same."
You're the assholes. I left the Republican Party just since I've returned to this blog. That's 14 years as a Republican, then I finally got a taste of y'all (as close as I choose to come to anybody other than blacks lately) and it's enough to make me leave. That's what you guys do to the blacks you claim to want near you so desperately.
"Well now they do. Things are realigning."
You patronize me now. I've explained that's Trump, not whites or the party, but you guys like your fantasies.
"The the poor are moving right, while the rich are moving left."
Sigh. You guys are tiring.
"So, the right is primarily composed of poor whites? Yes? Yes."
More patronizing. Do you see how easily you turn people off?
"We have more in common with the black man (yes being specific), than we do our Republican congressmen."
You just don't want us to feel a sense of justice in our own country like you do. That's all.
"(Black women are a little different because they are only one step down from Rich, Elite, White, Ivy League Women on the victim scale."
Like I said, I'd LOVE to see you guys take some of this into the black community, on or offline, and see the reaction. You say it here and here alone. Cowards.
"But most of them, unlike the aforementioned, do not milk it."
Yeah, like Trump said, some of them are nice people. Sheesh.
Crack's black friends think he is cool, I am sure.
That's what it's looking like. I mean...Poe's Law.
On weekends I listen to Chicago progressive talk radio when I'm running errands. In the late afternoon there are call-in shows hosted by different black talk radio hosts. You can just sit there and listen to how a black listener talks to a black radio show host and how a black radio show host talks to a white listener and the different ways the topic of the day gets approached. A leading idea is that white folks are lying pieces of shit so you have to get past that. And there's plenty of leftist trash but that's not a waste of time because - get a sense of the next week's arguments. But, in relation to what Crack is always saying about how we can't hear him, you can simply listen to how [this part of] the black community speaks to each other. In other words, how is an argument constructed, what is considered persuasive, which part of on-going stories gets picked up on as significant, what are the presuppositions. To persuade, to talk to another person, one has to know these things. In these conversations I get the sense that Rahm Emmanuel is and always has been just another white con man; yet - I think to myself - they supported him over the other white con men, the Republicans. Why? I don't really know from listening.
Dave said...
"Oh, I see now. It's war, and we are the enemy no matter what."
WTF are you talking about? You're going off the rails. Badly mistaken.
"So, now, you have chosen the left, aka, socialism just as the feminists have."
I didn't say that - that you left to that conclusion is crazy. Are you crazy over there? That's a HUGE leap.
"IOW...you are not really interested in helping blacks."
WOW. Look at him go.
"Shit, I'm thinking now you are false flag KKK."
And you are nuts. Alex Jones fan?
"Like you are really white power, Clayton Bigsby."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Sure. On this blog for a decade. Undercover white power. Hilarious.
That was amazing.
I knew the Old Crack, and you sir, are NOT the Old Crack.
Good day.
wildswan, thanks for that, is what I meant but Crack has a big mouth and interrupted.
wildswan said...
"But, in relation to what Crack is always saying about how we can't hear him, you can simply listen to how [this part of] the black community speaks to each other."
I catch it from all sides. Stigmatizing me seems to be a national pastime, because I'm never going to fit anyone's version of a liberal, or a conservative - or even a black person - because I'm an American, which encompasses all of that, so ideologues are left to struggle on their own, of any color. I don't demand reparations because I'm black, but because I'm American, and for that reason they're overdue. If I'm not, then fuck off. I didn't defend the marchers in Charlottesville because I sold out, but because they're Americans, and they had as much right to march as I do. If they're not, they can fuck off.
I served. I know why. Do you?
Even when one tries to agree with you halfway, you go all Derrick bell, ciao.
Yancey Ward said...
"Crack's black friends think he is cool, I am sure."
They do, actually. They don't understand why I prefer to be alone. I've lost a lot of friends over the NewAge stuff - I'll walk away from blacks or whites who drop astrology into a conversation - but not the political stuff. Trump maybe, but not being a Republican. Whites care about that stuff more. Like I said, controlling. Seeing "enemies" everywhere. Paranoid outlook. My liberal female friends want to make sure I see them marching for this or that. My conservative white friends don't want to hear shit about this or that. My liberal black friends are just the same. My liberal white male friends have disappeared, mostly.
I spend a lot of time with Mexicans.
¿Qué onda nero?
This whole 'you don't like me [a black person!] so you must not like black people' bit is something a white SJW would pull. I don't like people who play the race card. They want to destroy the commons.
BTW, Kanye also makes really good music. Even if you're not a hip hop fan, worth giving him a listen.
Jonathan Graehl said...
"This whole 'you don't like me [a black person!] so you must not like black people' bit is something a white SJW would pull"
That makes it false, right? Because someone other than a conservative said it? Even if those conservatives spit racist doggerel most days? They stop when the bi-polar dude says something, but - when the ones with no mental problems speak - then they got a problem.
They're nuts, too.
daskol said...
"BTW, Kanye also makes really good music. Even if you're not a hip hop fan, worth giving him a listen."
BTW, they can't do that for two reasons: 1) Rap's not music - these racist whites say so daily. But they're not racist. They're our buddies. They say that, too.
2) Hip-Hop's not music, Rap is - Rappers say so daily. But we don't know what we're talking about. You're our teachers. We just don't listen.
Me especially.
narciso said...
"Even when one tries to agree with you halfway, you go all Derrick bell, ciao."
You're not trying to agree with me - you're trying to get me to buy a lie - that's a kind of coercion. Meaning you're even more full of shit.
When you're willing to make up for sins, then you'll be agreeing with me, and not until.
Two facts that seemed right:
1) TCE is an ass hole, and
2) TCE has lost a lot of friends.
One wonders how these two facts could simultaneously be true.
"...willing to make up for sins..."
...of third parties.
Hard pass.
Birkel said...
"Two facts that seemed right:
1) TCE is an ass hole, and
2) TCE has lost a lot of friends.
One wonders how these two facts could simultaneously be true."
It's amazing how creeps applaud Jordan Peterson for saying not to be agreeable, but his supporters diss anyone else who follows that advice. I don't need idiots around me, so losing "friends" isn't the loss you imagine.
It would be like losing you: no loss at all.
"Without deviation from the norm, Progress is not possible" — Frank Zappa
Of course, Birkel's smarter than him, and surrounded by more supporters.
"I'm not black but there's a whole lotsa times I wish I could say I'm not white...” (FZ) from "More Trouble Every Day"
I don't think that's changed since he wrote it - and he's dead.
99% of the time when I come here, Rap is not music, blacks are not smart, and most of us are barely human beings.
Now - Kanye speaks and that's all different?
Sorry, but I don't buy it, you're not "meeting me half way" but begging me to tell (and accept) a lie - about you - but, for me to say otherwise, would be of no good to anyone.
Half way between a demand for freedom and a demand to succumb to the power of the state?
Hard pass.
Birkel said...
"Half way between a demand for freedom and a demand to succumb to the power of the state?
Hard pass."
I repeat: there'd be no demand for the state without you and your pressure. Figure it out.
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I have figured it out.
I demand everybody without Native heritage depart my continent.
You are all guilty of an invasion.
This game is fun and easy!
Play stupid games.
Win stupid prizes.
The Crack Emcee said...
"You say you want to be left alone? Where? Can I interest you in the Moon?"
"Just think of that: blacks have to go to the Moon to escape white antagonism. That's a sad statement on white people."
I've been thinking about this, Crack. The Moon may not work out, it's actually pretty close to the Earth. Mars, maybe. Just, stay on your side of the asteroid belt, OK?
Jupiter said...
"I've been thinking about this, Crack. The Moon may not work out, it's actually pretty close to the Earth."
You left out the words "White people demand it" like in "Animatrix" when the robots take over.
It's all based on history, so we know it's coming.
Me: Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.
TCE: "I repeat: there'd be no demand for the state without you and your pressure."
I can see how advocating more freedom puts pressure on you.
/sarc
Birkel said...
"I can see how advocating more freedom puts pressure on you.
/sarc"
But you can't see how your idea of "freedom" is like Michael K's idea of what blacks should have done.
That we don't accept your shitty ideas is NOT a failing. That you don't recognize that is yours.
I do understand.
Freedom is slavery is I believe how Orwell might have written it.
https://literarydevices.net/war-is-peace/
And my advocacy for greater freedom becomes an advocacy for greater slavery in your mind.
You have so absorbed the rhetoric of your oppressors that you cannot accept more freedom.
At least you are a pitiable ass hole.
You can rant all you want, Homeless Man's Jesse Jackson, but we aren't going to give you any money. Beg Althouse for some, see where that gets you.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
"You can rant all you want, Homeless Man's Jesse Jackson, but we aren't going to give you any money. Beg Althouse for some, see where that gets you."
"Why won't blacks vote with us?" they wonder. Just horrible people.
Jupiter: I've been thinking about this, Crack. The Moon may not work out, it's actually pretty close to the Earth. Mars, maybe. Just, stay on your side of the asteroid belt, OK?
Mars and Earth are on the same side of the asteroid belt.
You'd think someone named Jupiter would know this.
SeanF said...
"Mars and Earth are on the same side of the asteroid belt.
You'd think someone named Jupiter would know this."
Yeah, that's right, Jup - now I got intergalactic back-up, Bitch. We keeping planets in orbit.
Get out of here.
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