September 23, 2018

"Deborah Ramirez, a Yale classmate of Brett Kavanaugh’s, has described a dormitory party gone awry and a drunken incident that she wants the F.B.I. to investigate."

A new article by Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer in The New Yorker.
The woman at the center of the story, Deborah Ramirez, who is fifty-three, attended Yale with Kavanaugh.... The New Yorker contacted Ramirez after learning of her possible involvement in an incident involving Kavanaugh.... She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident. In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty. After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections....

“We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby...

A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.”... She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”...

[A]fter several days of considering the matter carefully, she said, “I’m confident about the pants coming up, and I’m confident about Brett being there.” Ramirez said that what has stayed with her most forcefully is the memory of laughter at her expense from Kavanaugh and the other students. “It was kind of a joke,” she recalled. “And now it’s clear to me it wasn’t a joke.”

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sane_voter said...

Given this shitshow, can you imagine if RBG or Breyer kicks the bucket in the next year?

steve uhr said...

Is there anyone who doesn't believe the allegations against Kavanaugh who also doesn't believe all of the following:

1. All the allegations of rape/sexual assault against Clinton are true
2. All the allegations of sexual assault against Moore were false
3 All the allegations of sexual assault/groping against trump were false

I expect to hear crickets ...

Arashi said...

I have the perfect solution to this horrible situation. In order that no woman is ever treated badly by the rapey/ muderery men ever again, from now on, all women will remain indoors most of the time, but on the rare occasions when they are allowed out, they must be in the company of a male member of their immediate family, and then only while covered from head to foot. They cannot drive, vote, hold a job, etc.

If something happened 30 plus years ago, that did not involve murder, that you did not make a police report about at the time, and where the statute of limitations has long since headed south - just shut the hell up. Keep it to yourself. Get medical help. But don't talk to the newspaper, write a letter to your congress person, talk to ronan farrow. Just shut up. Even if it is a conservative, even if it is a liberal. If it happened like two years ago - Okey Dokey - shout it from the roof tops.

YoungHegelian said...

@Ingachuck'stoothlessARM,

The Puritans didn't shrink from sex."

Then the sex wasnt too hot


Actually, by the standards of the time, not true.

We have many surviving letters between couples & diaries from the time. They are often very frank in their discussion of their sexual desires for each other.

The Puritans were very hostile to expressions of sex outside of marriage, expression of any sort. But, within the bonds of marriage, they expected & encouraged a robust expression of physical love.

I think the big difference between the sexual mores of high church Europe & the Puritans was that high-church society as a whole was much more accustomed to a wink & nod for both early pre-marital sex & for discreet adultery. But, all the Christian Churches thought that once married, couples should bang away lustily at each other. For example, while Roman Catholicism believed in clerical celibacy, it was (& is) a grievous sin for a spouse to deny the other "marital congress". One cannot unilaterally declare oneself to be living a life of Holy Celibacy within the bonds of Matrimony.

Darrell said...

It was either Kavanaugh or Eddie Murphy. She always gets the two confused.

Ken B said...

Uhr
If you can write a coherent statement without inverted reverse double negatives please do so, and then we can see what point you are trying to make.

Sloanasaurus said...

This is a total smear job. I don't believe the Ford Story either. Its hard for me to believe that Ford told no one about the incident, and then suddenly remembered it all during a therapy session 30 years later. Why wouldn't she tell her friends to stay away from Kavanaugh, Judge... etc..? What kind of person is she. She didn't tell anyone back then because it never happened. No one remembers it?

Back to the Rameriz story. She claims to remember all of a sudden 35 years later that Kavanaugh dropped his pants at a frat party, and now all of a sudden she is a victim of a horrific incident of bumping into his junk. Its a total smear job. She also claims she was totally drunk at the party. Unless this was the only party she ever attended in college, there is no way she remembers any actual details about any party 35 years later. Its just not a believable story. Oh and shes also a social justice warrior. Don't forget that.

The media likes it because they can say - there is a "pattern" of sexual misconduct. And then lie to people about the stories. But, its really a pattern of the democrat smear machine in overdrive.

It is sad to see that this is where we are in politics.

My guess is that Kavanaugh will be confirmed within two weeks. I can't see the republicans caving on this one. Too much at stake.


Laslo Spatula said...

From the internets:

"Michael Avenatti, the lawyer representing adult-film actress Stormy Daniels, on Sunday tweeted an email sent to Mike Davis, the chief counsel for nominations for the Senate Judiciary Committee, in which he claimed he is has evidence that Kavanaugh engaged in "the targeting of women with alcohol/drugs to allow a ‘train’ of men to subsequently gang rape them.”

Is Avenatti possibly confusing this scenario with a film from one of his other clients?

I am Laslo.

Narayanan said...

Does he need to show up at all?
Does he have back bone to say ... I refuse to demean myself anymore answering such questions.

Wince said...

Kavanaugh should come to the hearing dressed like Bob Guccione with the open shirt and he gold chains.

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steve uhr said...

ken -- I'll dumb it down for you. The allegations against the democrats are true. The allegations against the republicans are false. Just curious if anyone believes otherwise. As for me I haven't made up my mind on Kavnaugh and believe the other three are guilty.

Darrell said...

With roughly 60 million Lefty/Democrats and 60 million illegals, you'd think the Democrats would be able to find more than a few women that would say Kavanaugh is into tentacle sex.

fivewheels said...

These accusations against Kavanaugh are very hard to believe.

The accusations against Clinton are not hard to believe at all, and many are confirmed.

I don't think there were assault allegations against Moore. I tend to believe the accusations of barely-legal weirdness that are not actual crimes.

I don't know the details of anyone pursuing specific allegations of groping against Trump, but I 100 percent believe he has inappropriately groped women in his life. Absolutely.

So?

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

let me try again:

The Puritans didn't shrink from sex

"then why were the New England Protestants so short??"


Laslo Spatula said...

What are the odds that Ford drops out of testifying on Thursday now that the media attention has moved on?

Her job is done.

I am Laslo.

Darrell said...

On a positive note, Ford can now fly to Hawaii for a well deserved vacation.

Big Mike said...
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Big Mike said...

Someone has to say it: now I know what a true cock-and-bull story is. Bull as in bullshit, of course.

YoungHegelian said...

Did you know that Kavanaugh wrote a pornographic novel under a pen name that details the erotic undertakings of a judge whose choir boy exterior hides the heart of a 24 carat pervert?

It's called "Fifty Shades of Black Robes".

Laslo Spatula said...

It's like Russian Roulette, but with the gun pointed at someone else's head.

There's gotta be a bullet in there somewhere.

I am Laslo.

Unknown said...

The notes and calendars strange? In the age before social media and FB, that’s how people chronicled their lives. Like scrapbooks. Not strange to me- My sister kept a diary and notes on everything from 6th grade on. When she ran out of notebooks she wrote on post-it notes. Every aspirin, vitamin she took, every appointment, every party, every encounter, every guy and every date she ever had. So I believe it. They are in my garage - 46 years worth. She was a Mensa member and collected baseball cards for 20 years. Me? Not so much.

Sloanasaurus said...

I read somewhere that Rameriz claims Kavanaugh "exposed himself to her without her consent."

So if you go to a drunken frat party, aren't you giving consent for being exposed to something like that? If someone pukes on you at the frat party is that battery, or did you give consent to possibly being puked on.

I recall going to a party where some chicks pulled down their tops at the entry way as part of the welcoming committee. Were they exposing themselves to me without my consent? Maybe if I think hard enough about it, after 6 days I will remember one of them was Sonia Sotomayor.

Now, its totally bogus that this story is actually true - i.e. that Kavanaugh was doing the exposing. But, still being exposed to someone's junk at a frat party shouldn't be a surprise. That's why the story is so stupid. Perhaps Ronan Farrow never went to such a party, but he is a rich Hollywood elite type. I am sure they go to nicer parties. So Ronin writing this story was like a guy from Manhattan writing about life in Nebraska. Just sayin'...

sane_voter said...

Avenatti is also stating:
"Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him."

I have a feeling Avenatti may have a few skeletons in his closet that are itching to come out.

steve uhr said...

As for the social calendar defense, I remember in college hanging out with friends with nothing to do, someone would say there was a party at X's house that night we would always write it down in our calendars before going.

Arashi said...

Avenatti is off his meds and needs an intervention by the people close to him that care. But there aren't any people so inclined so he gets quoted by CNN a lot.

YoungHegelian said...

@steve uhr,

someone would say there was a party at X's house that night we would always write it down in our calendars before going.

Uhhhm, how about having a calendar as a way of proving that when Ms Ramirez says that you were flashing your dick at a party in a Yale dorm, your calendar shows you were back in Bethesda visiting Mom & Dad. Or, at least somewhere other than Yale.

This really isn't difficult....

Bay Area Guy said...

I feel bad for Kavanaugh and his family. But he needs to fight back with a Clarence Thomas-like "high tech lynching" where he blasts the Democrats for being the gutless, low-rent smear artists that they are.

No sane adult cares about 36-year old high school and college antics. The Dems will next scour junior high antics to find dirt on their opponents, but if they're President (Bill Clinton) rapes a lady or their DNC co-chair (Keth Ellison) physically assaults his girlfriend, not a peep.

Fuck 'em, I say. But Memo to Brett: ya gotta fight back to regain your name. These Dems will use any tactic - fair or foul - to sink your nomination.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

"Nope" Kavanaugh said, as he checked his calendar. "Thursday's out--
gotta dick-waving that nite. Let's see...Friday...no good. Attempted rape lined up.
Actually, the whole rest of the week I'm booked-- me and my buds are arranging gang rapes. Sorry"

PhilD said...

Well, that's for sure. Benny Hill will never be admitted to the Supreme Court, in fact, no British comedian ever will.

Laslo Spatula said...

Ford was almost raped and killed.

Ramirez had a penis pushed in front of her face.

Other women were targeted by Kavanaugh with alcohol/drugs to allow a ‘train’ of men to subsequently gang rape them.”

As someone might write:

'I've got to admit that if I had to say right now, who is more likely to be telling us what is closer to the truth — no stakes, no burden of proof, just who is more likely — I'd have to say them.'

Amazing that no one ever noticed all of those Bartles&Jaymes wine-cooler stains on the cream-colored carpet?*

(*I'm being era-appropriate. Chicks digged that shit in the 80s.)

I am Laslo.

PhilD said...

"the targeting of women with alcohol/drugs to allow a ‘train’ of men to subsequently gang rape them.”

He is describing the UK islamic 'grooming gangs' so beloved by the Left.

FullMoon said...

Gonna go out on a limb and suggest if a guy is prone to whipping his dick out , a lot of people will have heard about it.

MB said...

1. Most of the allegations of misbehavior against Clinton are true, but fall short of assault. Only harassment has been proved. Clinton may have assaulted someone, but it hasn't been proved. Maybe the FBI should investigate.
2. The allegations against Moore are completely false.
3. The allegations of groping against Trump are credible, but the groping may have been consensual. There are no credible accusations of assault.

wildswan said...

This is what has been happening to men in colleges under Title IX. No one much has been paying attention and so it has spread out from there. Maybe men who have been accused of rape and convicted in a Title IX hearing on the uncritically accepted testimony of one or two bitter woman could write in to the Senate and describe the kangaroo court session that devastated their lives. Then the public would see that this awful anonymous unreal accusing by women "recalling" what happened when they were drunk sometimes months after the fact is something that is done fairly often in the universities but only to college men before this. So that this attack on Judge Kavanaugh is really exposing a practice which is ripping apart lives every year in the colleges. And now these Afficted, as they called them in Salem during the witch hunt, are emboldened and looking to get judges. This is what happened in the Salem witch hunt. First it was a few and obscure who were accused and then the Afflicted kept accusing more and more and the group included one minister and then there were hundreds in jail and hundreds accused - including prominent ministers and the wives of prominent politicians. So I am very sorry for Judge Kavanaugh but I see now that in the end some decent person not in college was going to go through this because these Title IX accusers, were always going to look beyond the colleges. And they'll look beyond judges to Senators and politicians. I'll laugh when Jeff Flake is accused and then all the idiots who think they can let this happen to Brett Kavanaugh and it won't happen to them.

FullMoon said...

Avenatti is also stating:
"Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him."


Uh-oh. Does that explain why nobody but Ford remembers it?

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

how will the Left dispense the blame to others when the unintended consequences kick in?

liberally

CWJ said...

uhr,

I notice that some people here are showing your request more respect than a lame hypocrisy trap deserves.

mockturtle said...

On the news tonight they showed some candlelight vigils for Ms. Ford. They looked like witches' covens.

Bay Area Guy and others are right about fighting back. The GOP seems especially timid concerning women--especially the screechy, sociology/psychology types with three names. It's embarrassing to see them cower under these truly silly allegations.

sane_voter said...

If doing stupid things in high school is disqualifying, everyone should be disqualified.

sane_voter said...

Kavanaugh and the GOP have to fight back with all they have. If he withdraws, they will then come after him on the CCA. This is a cock fight, and only one cock will come out the other side.

I am not Laslo.

readering said...

Remember he denies it so all the it's hs/it's college does not help him.

readering said...

He's a judge. What does he have to fight with? All he can do is answer questions under oath or refuse to answer. It is poetic justice for his aggressive approach to sexual inquisition against WJC 20 years ago.

Yancey Ward said...

The detail about someone describing what Kavanaugh did by name is clearly a lie given the rest of Ramirez's story. You can't be unsure it was Kavanaugh at any point in the last 30 so years, and then suddenly recall that it was said. It is the sort of detail a really, really bad liar would make up think it makes the story believable in some way.

These people are truly sick.

YoungHegelian said...

@readering,

It is poetic justice for his aggressive approach to sexual inquisition against WJC 20 years ago.
>
What sort of perversions was the World Jewish Congress up to 20 years ago?

That one just slipped by me, I gotta admit.

Not Sure said...

@readering, The point is that 35-year-old charges about random hs bullshit are not going to be documented. When coupled with a presumption of guilt, they grant women veto power over any male nominee for any position.

Perhaps you see that as a feature.

Bay Area Guy said...

I wonder if Chief Justice John Marshall was ever asked if had ever whipped out his schlong in the college dorms. I'm sure the Free Masons had some rockin' colonial-era parties.

Yancey Ward said...

This is going to be a test for the Republicans in the Senate. The right thing to do is to go ahead and confirm him unless one of these women can produce corroboration for their specific charge- something missing in both stories. If Kavanaugh is voted down on this evidence, there is no point in ever appointing another man to the court if you are a Republican president- literally no point at all- they will all face the exact same tactic. The only reason this wasn't deployed against Gorsuch is that his appointment came in Trump's first months in office, and deploying it then would have just been met by, perhaps Kavanaugh, but then with women candidates- in other words it simply wouldn't have stop the confirmation.

It won't stop it here, either- Trump will select a woman who will be confirmed in the lame duck session if Kavanaugh is forced out, but a line needs to be drawn here if you ever hope have another man selected, and I suspect this is going to be true for both parties, not just Republicans.

Yancey Ward said...

I find it interesting that Ramirez named two men, but asked The New Yorker to not identify them. This sounds to me like she named them, but they wouldn't confirm the story to Ronan and Meyer, so they needed to hide the names.

readering said...

I guess you really are a young Hegelian.

MaxedOutMama said...

By Tuesday they will have gotten Stormy sobered up enough to come on the news and say that she now recognizes Brett Kavanaugh as the man who threatened her if she exposed Trump!

I'm waiting for Tuesday. That should be fun.

The culture wars, folks. It has begun.

Mark said...

they will all face the exact same tactic

Eventually they yell wolf in a crowded theater once too often that people start ignoring it.

readering said...

Yeah lots of middle aged professional women lined up for suicide missions against Supreme Court nominees. Men too, since it short list includes women and, who knows, maybe a gay man or two.

M Jordan said...

The outrage I am feeling towards Dems is off the charts. Truly despicable behavior. Smear is too nice a word.

Usually when my outrage breaker trips, it signals a bigger breaker tripping in society at large. Maybe we’re nearing the point when someone says, “Senator, have you no sense of decency?”

Mark said...

Remember that what pushed a lot of people over the edge to vote FOR Trump was the Access Hollywood ploy. In time, these tactics blow up in the Dems' faces.

bagoh20 said...

What offense by a high school girl would make her ineligible for the court 36 years later?

What accusation would without proof other than a man said so?

Equality my ass.

Yancey Ward said...

It isn't a suicide mission, readering, not even figuratively. That is the thing- there isn't any real downside for Ford or Ramirez. Their reputations are raised with basically half the country, and the other half doesn't matter- it isn't like that half was giving them anything to begin with- all they have are words of derision, which they will never read or listen to anyway. That is why the Republicans need to draw a line- an unsupported accusation won't be determinate- it is the only way make sure such processes don't draw liars like flies to shit.

readering said...

Those women are stick figures to you.

Yancey Ward said...

Ramirez's story is really funny- she plays it like she is so very reluctant to tell this story, but here is the question I have- how did Ronan and Mayer find her in the first place? She can't be all that reluctant if she reached out to Ronan and Mayer, which she pretty much would have had to do?

bagoh20 said...

If the Dems succeed with this and of course then try it again with the next candidate, how will that play in November for them? Maybe we need a few more. This latest way of getting rich quick will make sure plenty of victims will be available to help the Dems self-destruct.

Trumpit said...

"Whatever happens, Trump will still get his pick is right."

Whatever happens, Trump will still be a prick is right.

LilyBart said...

Are Democrats embarrassed by this accusation? They should be.

Yancey Ward said...

They are liars, in my eyes, readering. Their stories literally sound made up by any rational reading, but they won't suffer any consequences, even if they are ever, by some miracle, proven to be liars. You seem to be saying that it is a risk in telling these lies- what is the risk here? My opinion, or the opinion of 150 million Kavanaugh supporters, are irrelevant to Ford and Ramirez. There is no legal jeopardy here, either- no one can prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are lying. They can tell these lies will basic impunity, and they know it. The Senate needs to draw the line that it won't be listened to without basic corroboration. It now appears that Ramirez has as much testimonial support as does Ford- none. If Kavanaugh is voted down on this, it will be repeated again and again- guaranfuckingteed. Republicans will start doing to the Democrats' nominees, too, but the Democrats are probably smart enough to confirm anyway. I doubt the Republicans are that smart.

LilyBart said...

To call this story flimsy would be too kind. It doesn't need to be even remotely believable -the Senate Dems and their supporters will all pretend to take this as a serious accusation. These people have sunk lower than I ever imagined they could.

bagoh20 said...

Why are the personal standards for men so much higher than for women?

Maybe the same reason they are for sports, military, cops, and most everything else.

As Althouse has said, you can only point out the differences between men and women if it makes women look superior.

Yancey Ward said...

Ronan and Mayer contacted dozens of people, and could find no one, not even Ramirez's best friend at that time, that could offer any corroboration, including the people Ramirez claimed as eye witnesses to the flashing. No one remembered it but Ramirez.

Critter said...

As usual, Democrats have overplayed. I hope this drunk is subpoenaed to testify on Thursday. Let the American people see if they believe such people. Good god. She only knew what to think after six days of coaching by a Democrat operative?

Watch for this whole episode to boomerang on Democrats in the mid terms. Turnout by Republican/Trump voters will surprise.

bagoh20 said...

The actual evidence available makes this accusation pure bullshit. The Flat Earthers have a better case. Read this:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/four-reasons-the-new-accusations-against-kavanaugh-are-weaker-than-fords/

BUMBLE BEE said...

As you can see in this blog, dems don't give a flying fuck about procedure, law, or fact. Because like your hostess here has demonstrated, it's about "feelz". Not only do the trolls here demonstrate inability to pose cogent arguments, their frame of reference is, "nuh uh to your uh huh". The best they can do! What don't Americans understand about "Any Means Necessary?".
Ds play chess Rs, checkers.

readering said...

YW: patience. Let it play out. Thomas was confirmed and he was a blatant liar to my eyes and ears. As I have written before, I am predisposed by very similar backgrounds to hope the best for Kavanaugh. I also believe the next associate justice, male or female, will be a hard right product of Federalist Society farm team.

Yancey Ward said...

Does any part of this make any sense to anyone?

"The New Yorker contacted Ramirez after learning of her possible involvement in an incident involving Kavanaugh. The allegation was conveyed to Democratic senators by a civil-rights lawyer. For Ramirez, the sudden attention has been unwelcome, and prompted difficult choices. She was at first hesitant to speak publicly"

What part of this displays reluctance? What part of the attention is unwelcome? Seriously, we are supposed to believe this poor woman was suddenly put under a microscope by powers outside her control. Just fucking once, I would like one of these "discovered" accusers boldly state that they eagerly came forward all on their own initiative. This lying about how they never wanted any of this, and how it was all out of their control is demeaning to any reader.

bagoh20 said...

Where was Kavanaugh when the McMartin Preschool kids were subjected to animal sacrifice and sexual abuse?

Yancey Ward said...

Thomas was confirmed because Hill likely was lying- even some Democrats in the Senate understood that much, and Hill's story was more plausible than Ford's and Ramirez's, at least at the time of the hearings- they got less so as more was learned about Hill afterwards. I think it is a near miracle that Thomas got confirmed. I don't think it will take a miracle for Kavanaugh to be confirmed, but it gets harder the longer this goes on, and the danger I see is that he isn't, and it will be open season on any male nominee, especially any Republican nominee. I want to see the Republicans in the Senate to show they understand this- I don't think they all do.

PackerBronco said...

I hear that Kavanaugh was in the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina, engaging in cannibalism. I didn't witness this myself of course, but I'm 100% sure that I heard about it.

readering said...

YW you must be a big fan of Stormy Daniels.

Clyde said...

More lies. Democrats are despicable. And that's no lie.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The Hillary Lost Butt Hurt party continues... apace.

bagoh20 said...

Breaking news! Brian Williams claims he was raped by Kavanagh in a crashed helicopter while fighting off ISIS attackers who seemed to be friends with Kavanaugh, calling him "Bret al Yaleti".

PackerBronco said...

This needs to be restated:

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Blogger wildswan said...
This is what has been happening to men in colleges under Title IX. No one much has been paying attention and so it has spread out from there. Maybe men who have been accused of rape and convicted in a Title IX hearing on the uncritically accepted testimony of one or two bitter woman could write in to the Senate and describe the kangaroo court session that devastated their lives. Then the public would see that this awful anonymous unreal accusing by women "recalling" what happened when they were drunk sometimes months after the fact is something that is done fairly often in the universities but only to college men before this. So that this attack on Judge Kavanaugh is really exposing a practice which is ripping apart lives every year in the colleges. And now these Afficted, as they called them in Salem during the witch hunt, are emboldened and looking to get judges. This is what happened in the Salem witch hunt. First it was a few and obscure who were accused and then the Afflicted kept accusing more and more and the group included one minister and then there were hundreds in jail and hundreds accused - including prominent ministers and the wives of prominent politicians. So I am very sorry for Judge Kavanaugh but I see now that in the end some decent person not in college was going to go through this because these Title IX accusers, were always going to look beyond the colleges. And they'll look beyond judges to Senators and politicians. I'll laugh when Jeff Flake is accused and then all the idiots who think they can let this happen to Brett Kavanaugh and it won't happen to them.
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Yancey Ward said...

I don't really care about Stormy Daniels at all, readering. Daniels, to her credit, doesn't lie about being reluctant to tell her story, true or not, but then she isn't claiming sexual assault, either. Daniels is at least refreshingly honest about what she is attempting to gain with her story. These accusers against Kavanaugh start off with the lie that they are being forced into the public spotlight against their will- that is bullshit on steroids- only a moron would believe that. If they are in the public spotlight, it is because they chose that path, otherwise you would have never heard from them.

Yancey Ward said...

With Ramirez's story already falling apart, I guess we will have to see who Avanetti has lined up- I suspect it is the same sort of unsupported accusations. Perhaps Avanetti's client will up the ante with full on rape accusation, or perhaps murder.

PackerBronco said...

I bet Neil Gorsuch is breathing a sigh of relief tonight. This would have been him a year ago if the Dem smear machine had gotten their act together in time.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Dems have chapter and verse in drunken behavior. You've seen every manifestation possible on TV and in movies. Understand what your hostess has posted about "closure". One need not present a coherent, believable thought. With today's thought processes, (see also $15 dollar fast food worker demands), joe bag o' doughnuts doesn't have to work toward an understanding of things. It's all over Tee Vee, laid out for em.
Obamaphones are the smartest thing his administration deployed. Of course the "underemployed" need Phones to "seek work", and oh, angry birds.
Do you really believe the co-author of the Dodd-Frank bill possessed the business acumen to "Represent the film industry"?
Ds play chess, Rs play checkers.

Yancey Ward said...

They no doubt debated whether or not to this to Gorsuch- I bet there were accusers standing ready to go into action, but the order went down to keep the powder dry since Trump would eventually just respond by selecting a woman instead since he had all the time in the world in the Winter of 2017. The calendar is not as favorable to Kavanaugh, though- if they can stop Kavanaugh, the Democrats are that much closer to winning the Senate and stopping all of Trump's selections. However, stopping Kavanaugh won't be enough- they will have also stop someone like Barrett in the lame duck- a much harder task, I suspect than a male nominee.

I do admire the Democrats ruthlessness- they play to win, and they clearly understand that rules are losers in politics.

Yancey Ward said...

And on Gorsuch, it is quite likely that Ford was ready to do this to Gorsuch in 2017, but was held in reserve.

BUMBLE BEE said...

College level drunken promiscuity is as firmly ensconced in America's mind. How could anyone resist that temptation? Crucial concept to the METOO stratagem. As buwaya has demonstrated, this is entirely a whiteboard project.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Just takes time... and billions of disposable income.

Josephbleau said...

Laslo, your 10:46pm very apt. A perspective of genius.

Yancey Ward said...
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BUMBLE BEE said...

BTW, Do you think Michelle's caucasian hair ever got criticized. Her "makeover" points to a stab at 20/20. Watch for replay of 2008 crisis, I could be wrong.

Yancey Ward said...

It is like Russian Roulette with a Glock.

Yancey Ward said...

If, for example, Chuck Schumer were accused by Ramirez, and all the witnesses Ramirez claimed would support her story declined to do so, and not one other witness could be found to support Ramirez's account, do you think The New Yorker print it? I am not saying they would not run a story critical of Schumer like that, but would they do it on only the accuser's word? I don't think so. Does anyone?

Trumpit said...

If a drunk Kavanaugh tried to rape young girls, and put his erect penis in their faces and demands that they "kiss it," what will he do once he on the Supreme Court? Whichever party he rules in favor of will no doubt have to suck it; the losing side will no doubt be raped by him. Clarence Thomas will surely do the same if Kavanaugh is on the high court. Stare decisis will become scary dicks you must face. The Supreme Court will become the Kavanaugh kangaroo court. The female litigants will throw their panties at the justices during oral argument even at the lesbian ones like Justice Sam Alito.

Darrell said...

Who can accuse you? Any woman (or man) with spatial or temporal proximity to you at each discrete moment of your life. Neighborhood, school, work, travel, etc. That can be proved or shown (picture). The story of abuse is only limited to the accuser's imagination. There can not be any blowback for the accuser unless she doesn't keep her plans to herself and her lefty attorneys.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Trumpit's inner thoughts surface. See my earlier comments.
Thanks Trumpit! Timely thoughts... and I use the word "thoughts" loosely.

readering said...

YW Disappointed you left for crazy town.

FIDO said...

I await a suddenly silent Althouse to come out with a post 'cruelly neutral' to state that Kavanaugh is done, while applying absolutely zero of her logic skills to the incredibly weak testimony from both of these most likely lying women.


I recall an anecdote I read in a cop book. These girls were 'kidnapped' in the middle of busy streets at noon, surrounded with people, and a day or two or three later, with a satisfied 'glow' would 'escape' their captors.

One girl brought a rape accusation against a young man but when the cops looked at the evidence, where the event happened in a public place, during the busy time, where she didn't say a word demanding help...they brought this back to said accuser and asked her about it. "So were you really raped?"

"No...but can you get him to marry me?"

Hmm.

Althouse will be amazed when no one believes women any more when they abuse their credibility so thoroughly. But that is what happens when one is so 'cruelly credulous'.

Unknown said...

Kavanaugh turned in his social calendar for that summer. I wonder what he was doing on the FFFFFFourth of July?

Lewis Wetzel said...

Who would have guessed that kavanaugh had raped so many of Stormy Daniels' personal friends in the early 1980s, especially since they were sometimes so young that they had not been born yet.

Narayanan said...

This is not merely SC nomination fight ... For all the marbles ... They are laying IEDs to remove all Republican appointee from federal judiciary.

You've lost already if you don't know that.

readering said...

You know that with McCain's death Republicans control the Senate, right?

Laslo Spatula said...

It IS kinda fun to watch NeverTrump Kavanuagh fans like Kristol and Goldberg get a taste of what their new comrades are like.

Maybe Kristol can invite Ford and Ramirez on a cruise trip.

Sure, they may have stories thirty years later, but Kristol would probably be dead by then.

And a dead Democrat, at that, so: all good.*

(*not meant as 'good that a Democrat is dead -- meant as he will have finally joined the party, and will be remember in a better light despite the accusations).

I am Laslo.

BUMBLE BEE said...

So when did these females quit drinking to blackout? Science shows alcohol consumption to this level serves to advance sociology majors test scores.
So many dicks so little time. How to keep track. Ladies?
Did these females ever quit drinking to blackout? Who is most likely opioid addict?
Like with the school shooters, party affiliation is the tell.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Victims or volunteers? Recruitment for Yale!

Darrell said...

So far, both females have a Soros connection. But maybe all Democrats do these days.

MD Greene said...

bleh said:

I sat out 2016 because I hated both Hillary and Trump. Now I want to vote.

This is my #metoo.

Fourth-wave feminists need to decide whether women, including teenagers and college students, are capable of taking care of themselves or whether they are poor, weak, downtrodden beings who need to be sheltered 24/7 from the predations of men, almost all of whom are evil misogynistic predators.

They're making the rest of us look like a bunch of weak sisters. I resent it.

Bad Lieutenant said...


YoungHegelian said...
Does anyone ever ask the question that if Kavanaugh is to be weighed & found wanting for his juvenile behavior then maybe we should judge these accusing women as being drunken sluts for their juvenile behavior?

The answer to that is, Ford and Ramirez shall, regrettably, never be appointed to the Supreme Court. Focus on the fact that Kavanaugh is innocent of these claims.

Let me make it simple for you and for all. What I tell you three times is true:


Kavanaugh is innocent.
Kavanaugh is not guilty.
Kavanaugh didn't do it.


Bad Lieutenant said...


Blogger FIDO said...
I await a suddenly silent Althouse to come out with a post 'cruelly neutral' to state that Kavanaugh is done, while applying absolutely zero of her logic skills to the incredibly weak testimony from both of these most likely lying women.



She would have to pretend it was her kid. Not the gay one. She might defend Meade I suppose, or her ex, but the boy is what would get her attention. What would be fun: put either or both of these accusers in a room with K's parents.

Bad Lieutenant said...


She would have to pretend it was her kid. <-- in order to be fair to K.

Rick67 said...

In a perverse way I am beginning to understand a little what many Democrats experienced after the 2016 election. When the next morning they were angry, depressed, kvetching about how they didn't want to get out of bed and go to work. I am starting to feel genuine anger. A significant number of Democrats are demonstrating that they will do absolutely anything and go to any length necessary to hinder the opposition and retake control of the direction of our society.

What stands out most in my mind is Senator Hirono saying on CNN that the presumption of innocence must be seen in the context of how the accused might decide certain cases. I do not ever want to hear these same people say they have principles. They do not. There is only the Cause.

Temujin said...

With 322 previous comments, I don't have much to add. This is insanity. If the drums are going to beat loudly, let's start with an actual current accusation that comes complete with an actual police report. Stop this bs from high school with no actual location, time, place, or people- just an accusation. Now we have a penis in face routine from college? Well hell. Who didn't do that?

Dems are mad. And I don't mean angry, although they are constantly that, too.

Temujin said...

In the immortal words of Bill Clinton..."Kiss it".

traditionalguy said...

The Dems are desperate. Kavanaugh will sail through to confirmation. But the 25th Amendment for Trump's stable insanity is coming up next. Pence is warming up.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Rob McLean said...
...aaaaand that's all, folks. K is toast.

9/23/18, 8:24 PM
...
MayBee said...
COME ON.

9/23/18, 8:25 PM


The best thing for the mental health of the nation would be for a current D No vote to flip to Yes, saying, I might not like what I think are his views, but the lying must stop.

Don't worry, I'll run out of crack soon...

sinz52 said...

As I posted on social media,

I was trying to be fair where Ms. Ford was concerned. I wanted to reserve judgment until we could check out her testimony before the Senate committee.

But now the Dems are trotting out the same ploy again and again with other women: Wild but vague charges, totally unsubstantiated by eyewitnesses or evidence.

The Dems are exploiting the fairness of folks like me to get what they want. They're making patsies out of the rest of us.

Grassley should hear Ms. Ford out. If her charges do seem plausible, he ought to ask the FBI to investigate.

And then he should declare a moratorium on any more unsubstantiated charges. After Ms. Ford's testimony, ONLY hard evidence (photos, VCR videos, police reports, semen samples) should be accepted--if the Dems have any.

FIDO said...

This should be judged with yes or no questions:

"Ms. Ford, do you have a police report substantiating your claims?"

No

"Do you have a specific date or location?"

No

"Do you have any witnesses who will corroborate the events which you state took place?"

No

"Did you have any injuries?"

No

"Do you have any friends you confessed this occurrence to at the time?"

No


"Did you remember these events before 2012?"


??

"Did you say that you would stop at nothing to stop Kavanaugh from getting nominated?"


Yes


"Have you flown an airplane in the last three years?"


Yes


And yet, 'cruel neutrality' leads some persons to believe this story because 'her husband said she was upset.


Let me tell you, as a husband for more than a quarter century, KNOWING she is upset is easy.

Knowing WHY she is upset is outside of our ability and job description.

And a woman 'interpreting' her upset by fourth person reporting...is THAT evidence, Professor?

No.



MayBee said...

I would love for men to start filing complaints agains women who flash them.

mockturtle said...

They're making the rest of us look like a bunch of weak sisters. I resent it.

"Victimhood is powerful"

Michael K said...

Blogger readering said...
You know that with McCain's death Republicans control the Senate, right?


You know that the appearance of a mouse can stampede a herd of elephants, right?

Cato Renasci said...

Just not credible.

MayBee said...

They're making the rest of us look like a bunch of weak sisters. I resent it.

I totally agree, Crazy Jane.
This idea that women can't lie, can't be safe around men, and can't answer questions about "their story" is the opposite of empowering. How wonderful the woman who lied in her Facebook post about the Ford allegations used that word.

Unknown said...

Blogger The Vault Dweller said...The more I hear stories like this, the less and less I care about the #metoo movement..."

The more dreck thrown out the more Ford's 'testimony' is degraded.

CStanley said...

They're making the rest of us look like a bunch of weak sisters. I resent it.

I totally agree, Crazy Jane.
This idea that women can't lie, can't be safe around men, and can't answer questions about "their story" is the opposite of empowering. How wonderful the woman who lied in her Facebook post about the Ford allegations used that word.


I’m starting to feel that the invention of new pronouns might have some merit after all, because I’m having a hard time identifying as the same gender as these people.

Larvell said...

If you drew a Venn diagram of (1) women who are traumatized by the thought of seeing or touching a male penis before marriage, and (2) women who like to get s**t-faced playing drinking games with a bunch of college guys in a dorm room, would the circles actually overlap?

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Laslo Spatula said...
It IS kinda fun to watch NeverTrump Kavanuagh fans like Kristol and Goldberg get a taste of what their new comrades are like.


I wouldn't say "fun" but it's been interesting, for sure. My favorite is that after saying mean idiots like Trump and Trumptards are wrong to attack the Media & call them "the enemy of the people" (since so many of those Media assholes are their friends & help attack Trump) they now have to shift and try to point out how stupid and unethical that same Media is...but without engaging in "populist" or Trump-style attacks. They can't QUITE thread that needle! What burdens they are.

walter said...

Zach said...I mean, your main source can't identify the man for sure. Six eyewitnesses categorically deny the story, and a close friend says she never heard the story before.
Can you really run a story this defamatory with such terrible sourcing?
--
Sadly..that's rhetorical.

ken in tx said...

This story sounds like it was inspired by a Dancing Bear act at a bachelorette party.

walter said...

Larvell,
Exactly..doesn't pass the smell test...(as hesitant as I am to use that phrase re this).

Trumpit said...

The Supreme Court will become the Kavanaugh Kangaroo Kourt (KKK). The first major decision that will be overturned won't be Roe v. Wade as many fear, but Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation that was an illegal freeing of 3,000,000 slaves under cover of the Civil War depriving slaveholders of their rightful property. Trump will be emboldened to deport all 50,000,000 Afro-Americans back to the shithole African cuntries that they were kidnapped from. @Rhhardin will heartily approve of this because blacks have low I.Q.'.s and high unemployment numbers and he routinelly gives "proof" of it on Althouse. Clarence Thomas is proof positive of a black idiot on the Supreme Court one must admit. Justice Thomas may think he has a lifetime appointment, but wait until his stupid black ass is kicked out of the cuntry. Trump will fill the vacancy with a solid KKK member like David Duke.

The Times They Are A-Changin'
Bob Dylan
Come gather 'round people wherever you roam,
And admit that the waters around you have grown,
And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'... etc. etc.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=dylan+times+changing+lyrics&qs=AS&pq=dylan+times+changing&sk=AS1&sc=7-20&cvid=5C742317883D41CDA6D3EA4D21B02D75&FORM=QBRE&sp=2

walter said...

She gets up and pours herself a strong one
And stares out at the stars up in the sky
Another night, it's gonna be a long one
She draws the shade and hangs her head to cry
She wonders how it ever got this crazy
She thinks about a boy she knew in school
Did she get tired or did she just get lazy?
She's so far gone she feels just like a fool
My oh my, you sure know how to arrange things
You set it up so well, so carefully
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things?
You're still the same old girl you used to be
You can't hide your lyin' eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes
There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes
Honey, you can't hide your lyin' eyes

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

I don't care. These are eleventh-hour accusations of things that supposedly happened decades ago. If Kavanaugh did these things and got away with them, good for him.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

I want to know if RBG ever touched someone's boob, or vag, or a woman's butt. I want details, because that would be HOT!

MacMacConnell said...

"According to the story, it took her six days to get her story down." Six days and 35 years to get her story down. It took 35 years for Ford to remember.

Not only has the Left and "Party of Science" discovered multiple genders, they've found a cure for Alzheimers.

MacMacConnell said...

I will not testify in a car.....
I will not testify near or far....
I will not fly in a plane...
I will not testify on a train...
I will not testify here or there...
I will not testify anywhere...
I will not testify slow or fast...
I will not do it first or last...
There's nothing more for me to say...
Because I cant remember anyway

NotWhoIUsedtoBe said...

Not much to add, other than #metoo will now be opposed by half the country.

This is the beginning of the end for the movement.

readering said...

Hah!

readering said...

According to New Yorker author the Ramirez story had been circulating for months among Yalies and was picked up by a number of people in press and in government but she only recently agreed to talk to the New Yorker herself.

readering said...

Now I read 600 female Yale grads over five decades signed statement in support of Ramirez. WTF.

Tomcc said...

"dormitory party gone awry"; I've been to a few of these parties- there is no syllabus.

Yancey Ward said...

Walter asked:

"Can you really run a story this defamatory with such terrible sourcing?
--
Sadly..that's rhetorical.
"

Read the story- The New Yorker inserted an out against defamation- the writers write that their story is that the Democratic Party is taking this seriously. In other words, Farrow and Mayer are reporting on the Democrats in the Senate and what they think of Ramirez's story, and as such must report the story and their efforts to corroborate it. In other words, if they get sued, they will mount the defense that they are only repeating what Democrats are saying.

Yancey Ward said...

And are any of those 600 Yale grads actual witnesses, readering? I mean, surely they could get millions of signatures if they put it up online. And you call me insane....Sheesh!

Jim at said...

Keep pushing it, leftists.
Keep it up.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

"600 female Yale grads over five decades signed statement in support of Ramirez."

How many of them know Ramirez? How many of them know Kavanaugh? How many of them can't be wrong?

If you laid 600 female Yale grads end to end...

Jim at said...

I remember in college hanging out with friends with nothing to do, someone would say there was a party at X's house that night we would always write it down in our calendars before going. - Uhr

Good for you. That means when some paid, leftist bitch comes out with a bunch of made-up shit about you 35 years later? You have an alibi. Unless, of course, you married her.

Jim at said...

It is poetic justice for his aggressive approach to sexual inquisition against WJC 20 years ago. - Readering

And there we have it. Kavanaugh was doing his job with regards to a President who had a knack of sticking cigars up the yahoos of 21-year-old interns, therefore he must be destroyed now.

Baseless smears = poetic justice

I used to think you were one of the more reasonable leftists to post here.

Night Owl said...

If you laid 600 female Yale grads end to end...

...you'd be exhausted.

(couldn't resist)

Bad Lieutenant said...

readering said...
YW: patience. Let it play out. Thomas was confirmed and he was a blatant liar to my eyes and ears. As I have written before, I am predisposed by very similar backgrounds to hope the best for Kavanaugh.


True, he's as white as you are.

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