Althouse: "We had candid conversations with Sarah as part of our thorough vetting process, which included a review of her social media history."

August 3, 2018

"We had candid conversations with Sarah as part of our thorough vetting process, which included a review of her social media history."

"She understands that this type of rhetoric is not acceptable at The Times and we are confident that she will be an important voice for the editorial board moving forward."

From "NY Times Responds to Right-Wing Tantrum Over New Writer’s ‘Anti-White’ Tweets" (New York Magazine).

Can I just give this story my tag "civility bullshit"? If I do that, will you know what I mean and know what my position on the Sarah Jeong question?

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Unknown said...: There is so much hypocrisy and "civility bullshit" in this hire and the NYT's defending of same, one hardly knows where to begin.

But as others have said, if you want more Trump, this is how you get more Trump.; 8/3/18, 6:06 AM
rhhardin said...: It's fine with me. Maybe she'll be entertaining.

Op-ed anything you want.

Not into hurt feelings as even interesting, except as it applies to distinguishing good zingers.; 8/3/18, 6:06 AM
campy said...: The rhetoric is not acceptable, but the sentiment behind it certainly is.; 8/3/18, 6:09 AM
tim maguire said...: We're torn between our oft-stated principle that people shouldn't be fired for ranting on social media and our basic sense of justice that a person should be judged at least in part by their own standards.

But hey, if The Times wants to throw another 100,000 votes Trump's way, who are we to stop them?; 8/3/18, 6:11 AM
rhhardin said...: It's like using a croissant as a dildo. It makes a mess, and it doesn't get the job done.

- Veep, somewhere

Taking offense is that croissant. What you want is a zinger.; 8/3/18, 6:12 AM
FIDO said...: That is probably worth 50,000 votes for Republicans in PA, MI, WI, and AZ.

But the Times probably knows their audience: self loathing middle aged white women who dislike men in general, particularly if married.

And gay men, but they get a 'white' pass.

There are 2 billion Asians in the world, many pretty tech saavy. They couldn't find ONE who didn't have a multi year history as a racist.

And unlike Sulu, she doesn't own any 'Japanese Internment' pass. She doesn't get a Coolie Pass.

She is a South Korean who went to HARVARD.

And a racist.

The Times has lost all credibility and moral authority regarding racism and civility. But pretty blatantly this time.; 8/3/18, 6:15 AM
Kevin said...: When the NYT does it, it’s not racism.; 8/3/18, 6:16 AM
rehajm said...: Zingers™ would make a mess, too. Maybe if it was frozen?; 8/3/18, 6:16 AM
Ralph L said...: It was bad judgement to respond to the kooks or even care, but snowflake training.; 8/3/18, 6:17 AM
Kevin said...: In other news, these people STILL have no clue how Trump got elected.; 8/3/18, 6:17 AM
lgv said...: It's OK, she's different now. All is forgiven. Good thing she didn't use the n-word in a racist rant. That can never be forgiven, or can it?

They did not call the Williamson protests "left wing tantrums", which just indicates what they really think. The bullshit is when places like the NYT and CNN pretending to have any objectivity. I stare at CNN and Fox News side by side every morning. The absurdity of CNN started during the Clinton News Network period during the election run-up and has only switched to anti-Trump after the election. It is not a news station. It is a tool of the DNC. The same for the NYT.; 8/3/18, 6:18 AM
David Begley said...: So the NYT tolerates racism as long as it is aimed at white people. Worse than Fake News.; 8/3/18, 6:19 AM
rhhardin said...: Zingers are objectivity. They're good or they're not.; 8/3/18, 6:20 AM
Ann Althouse said...: "We're torn between our oft-stated principle that people shouldn't be fired for ranting on social media and our basic sense of justice that a person should be judged at least in part by their own standards."

I use the "civility bullshit" tag to sum it up: I see the game is happening over there, and I decline to play.; 8/3/18, 6:20 AM
Ralph L said...: Miss "Closer Look at those Breasts" makes a tweet in the article.

They can't deal with tit for tat.; 8/3/18, 6:22 AM
rehajm said...: Won't white guys in tech hate her- i.e. won't tech hate her? She can write all the op-eds she wants but it not like anyone is going to take her calls...; 8/3/18, 6:23 AM
rhhardin said...: There's no double standard for zingers.; 8/3/18, 6:23 AM
David Begley said...: Wondering if this new hire was discussed in the recent WH meeting between POTUS and Pinch, Jr.; 8/3/18, 6:25 AM
rhhardin said...: I use the "civility bullshit" tag to sum it up: I see the game is happening over there, and I decline to play.

You're missing the part you're still playing - namely that offensiveness is a social problem in the first place.

They may be playing the civility bullshit game but everybody's still agreeing that incivility is a problem rather than a resource.

Look at all the talk of double standards. It's not a standard in the first place.; 8/3/18, 6:27 AM
William said...: I can deal with the sarcasm, but the hypocrisy of the thing draws fingernails across the blackboard of my soul.; 8/3/18, 6:33 AM
Trumpit said...: sarah jeong is like donald trump & kim jong un had a baby = sj

Rocket Man & the dotard are on a suicide mission for themselves and their regimes. They have nothing but contempt for their subjects, and only seek to live in the lap of luxury for themselves and their worthless families. We have no choice, but to totally destroy their regimes.; 8/3/18, 6:35 AM
h said...: This is “hatred of a person or persons because their race is different from your own.” Some object to using the term "racism" as a shorthand for this. But it certainly does not reflect well on defenders of these views.; 8/3/18, 6:36 AM
Tommy Duncan said...: This is just confirmation of what we have known to be true. The only thing new is the overt nature of the confirmation.; 8/3/18, 6:36 AM
The Bergall said...: What the hell is wrong with these people?; 8/3/18, 6:39 AM
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...: The NYT needs to reflect on the left wing tantrum they've been throwing since November 2016.; 8/3/18, 6:40 AM
Henry said...: The word "tantrum" is the shiv. Ah, those happy go lucky headline writers.; 8/3/18, 6:41 AM
FIDO said...: This is just confirmation of what we have known to be true. The only thing new is the overt nature of the confirmation.

I think it will be news to a lot of people who looked the other way.

But it is good they reveal their biases. At least in this ONE instance they are honestly informing the nation about something.; 8/3/18, 6:41 AM
TRISTRAM said...: So what happens when Trump goes in a rally 'Lets talk about the media. They want me to be nice to them. The NY Slimes. Here is what their newest reporter thinks about us. {reads some tweets} They want me to say they aren't bad people. Do you think I should?'

At least we know where her biases are, and can apply a the appropriate discount to everything she says.; 8/3/18, 6:42 AM
Ralph L said...: It's perfectly OK if she identified as white.
If she wanted to mock, she should have attacked Koreans.; 8/3/18, 6:43 AM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: nilay patel
✔
@reckless
We are proud of the work that @sarahjeong has done at The Verge, which reflects her brilliance and empathy for everyone around her. All of us stand by Sarah; digging for old, out-of-context tweets in bad faith to drum up outrage is bad for the news and society at large."

It's perfectly fine when it's done to white mlb players though.; 8/3/18, 6:43 AM
William said...: Years ago, I remember reading some studio executive explaining why the villain in his crime dramas were always businessmen or corporate types with an anglsaxon name. They were, he explained, the only people you could cast as villains without causing some kind of backlash......I used to think that casting white people with such backgrounds was, in a left handed way, a compliment to the esteem in which such people were held. But maybe not. Several generations have now absorbed movies and tv shows where the absolute worst human beings on the face of the earth are white men with MBA degrees. I think a lot of people really believe this.; 8/3/18, 6:44 AM
Owen said...: Prof A, “civility bullshit” works just fine. It captures a lot of meaning about what is going on and your relationship to what is going on. I think it can be condensed to “CB” as its usage increases; and it will.

I am actually pretty OK with the Times defending its decision to keep Ms. Jeong on as an exciting new thought leader and maverick speaking truth to angry old white guys like me. What she has done, and what the Times has validated, is destroy any residual force in the accusation of racism. “Racist” is no longer a thing; it’s not even a word. When she or her crew throw that term at me, I will be glad: it tells me that I’m over the target.

Another aspect of her hire is that she will soak up increasingly-precious resource at the Times: a salary and benefits and column-inches (yes, I date myself with that term!) that would otherwise be available for somebody with something important to say; somebody who might argue the Progressive case with real weight and wit. Instead we are playing against this feral child. It should be fun.; 8/3/18, 6:45 AM
tim maguire said...: Ann Althouse said...
"We're torn between our oft-stated principle that people shouldn't be fired for ranting on social media and our basic sense of justice that a person should be judged at least in part by their own standards."

I use the "civility bullshit" tag to sum it up: I see the game is happening over there, and I decline to play.

Then perhaps your civility bullshit tag is sometimes used too flippantly. No one on the right is calling for civility.; 8/3/18, 6:45 AM
gspencer said...: Hypocrisy writ LARGE. Makes sense, I suppose. The left is so good at it.; 8/3/18, 6:50 AM
Kevin said...: It has been slowly dawning on me that white genocide isn’t an unfortunate side track or distraction from the left’s agenda; it IS the left’s agenda. It is becoming apparent that it is their most important goal. I have very little faith that people are going to wake up on time to stop it.; 8/3/18, 6:53 AM
William said...: It's been argued that Hitler was in some way a manifestation of the German soul. It's also been argued that the slaves on Jefferson's plantation were a truer representative of who the man was than his Declaration of Independence......Can we not argue that the Kim dynasty is in some way a manifestation of the Korean soul, and that Ms. Jeong partakes of that spirit. See the way the game is played.....I'm being sarcastic, but I'd sincerely like to congratulate Ms.Jeong for not being named Kim or Lee. Only in America can a little Korean girl grow up and not have such a name.; 8/3/18, 6:55 AM
Owen said...: Kevin: “white genocide...”. You have a point. I view the Times’ decision to double-down on stupid and protect a bitter half-wit, as evidence of desperation; that they are losing so badly that they don’t even know they’re losing. But an alternative view is, no, they are so close to sweeping the field that they can showcase hateful mediocrity without suffering any loss; in fact, it encourages other hateful mediocrities to rally to their banner and will further demoralize their enemies.
I can’t be sure which interpretation is better. The smoke of battle is too thick.; 8/3/18, 7:00 AM
Chris of Rights said...: I'm not asking for her to be fired. If the NYT wants to hire her, that's fine. I merely express my belief that no news organization with an ounce of journalistic integrity would hire this woman. If the NYT chooses to hire her, then I can only reach the conclusion that they do not have an ounce of journalistic integrity.

Also, I'd point out that there's no significant difference between what she has tweeted and what Rosanne Barr has tweeted. If anything, Jeong is worse.

Not that I care about Roseanne either. Never watched her show. Never respected her as a person. Nothing has changed for me with respect to her at all.; 8/3/18, 7:02 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: I read her bio.

Despite the fancy diploma, she is completely unqualified to write about tech.

She's a gender studies idiot.

Apparently, she was hired to argue for quotas in tech. Because competence doesn't matter.; 8/3/18, 7:02 AM
MathMom said...: I'm a white girl. If I had a twitter feed like hers, I would be unemployable.; 8/3/18, 7:04 AM
Trumpit said...: It’s true that Trump still, on occasion, poses as someone who champions the interests of ordinary working Americans against those of the elite. And I guess there’s a sense in which his embrace of white nationalism gives voice to ordinary Americans who share his racism but have felt unable to air their prejudice in public. - Paul Krugman on racist Trumptards; 8/3/18, 7:06 AM
TrespassersW said...: I'm glad the Times hired her, and that they're defending her.

They've laid all their cards, face up, on the table.

How does that phrase go? "Do you want more [something something]? This is how you get more [something something]."; 8/3/18, 7:07 AM
whitney said...: Hasn't the times had a bunch of Articles recently with the racial slur "Becky" in the title?; 8/3/18, 7:09 AM
Ray - SoCal said...: Part of the reason I avoid going to the movies, is how the villains are almost always White, in a Spider-Man movie you had a White gang. Blacks are are almost always portrayed as the Magical Negro and/or the computer nerd. I’m very tired of how anti White normal types, Hollywood is. The criminal / bad guy is usually the White business person. It’s become sillier and even counter productive. It’s become such blatant politicizing of their product, that I’m just walking away from it. I don’t need to pay to be propagandized too, and made to think the right way.

I view this lady’s attitude, as the same political correct bs that infects Hollywood.

It’s wrong.

The argument that since Whites hold power, it’s impossible to be racist against them is an insult to all the poor and working class Whites in the US. I view it as insane, and amazing people publicly think this way.

It will be fun when Trump uses this to shiv the media. I’m looking forward to that.; 8/3/18, 7:11 AM
Ken B said...: Yes, we will. It's cruel neutrality: you approve both of firing Quinn for lesser outrages and of not firing Jeong.

But you forgot a tag: double standards. It's the Times which set the standard by firing Quinn.; 8/3/18, 7:13 AM
Ray - SoCal said...: The double standard on how this lady is treated vs Roseanne is breath taking.; 8/3/18, 7:13 AM
Comanche Voter said...: Ms. Althouse you have used two words where one will do. The "civility" part of that phrase is superfluous.; 8/3/18, 7:14 AM
Sebastian said...: @rh" You're missing the part you're still playing - namely that offensiveness is a social problem in the first place.
They may be playing the civility bullshit game but everybody's still agreeing that incivility is a problem rather than a resource."

Correct. Progs are done with civility. Incivility is a resource, but then, according to the Universal Theory of Progressive Instrumentalism, everything is.

Anyway, in view of the the NYT's forthright defense of incivility, on entirely specious grounds, you need an incivility bullshit tag.; 8/3/18, 7:16 AM
Rick said...: It's fine with me.

Me too. Nothing could discredit the NYT more than revealing its support for racism.; 8/3/18, 7:17 AM
PJ said...: Sarah is “Formerly Deplorable,” a category whose membership is defined exclusively by the Left. Nobody cares whether she has actually been re-educated, or even whether she duly reported to the camp; what matters is that the gatekeepers have pronounced her forgiven. Someone like Sarah, who has never been associated with the Right, can move directly from Uncategorized to Formerly Deplorable without ever being categorized as Deplorable. Once you’ve been tagged Deplorable, the bar to get into Formerly Deplorable is much higher, though it has occasionally been accomplished by people like David Brock. For most people who have once been publicly associated with the Right, such as Never Trumpers, the highest practically achievable category is Tolerably Deplorable. But the gatekeepers encourage them to keep trying.; 8/3/18, 7:22 AM
Ralph L said...: The criminal / bad guy is usually the White business person
When he isn't military or police.; 8/3/18, 7:27 AM
Fernandinande said...: Pro Tip!

When you write "Go back to Russia you dog-eating gook" be sure to use the hyphen, because clarity.

"Only in America can a little Korean girl grow up and not have such a name."

Perhaps a Jew name qualifies her for labor at the Jew York Times.; 8/3/18, 7:27 AM
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...: Shame the world was flooded with piss and this woman was the only tech writer clinging to a tree branch. The NYT had no other options, you see.; 8/3/18, 7:29 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: Better to focus on what this portends from the Times, which is a front page campaign for quotas for women in tech.

The parasites have Big Tech in their crosshairs, and they think that there is no end to the blood sucking.

Who's going to do the real work?; 8/3/18, 7:30 AM
Matt Sablan said...: What was out of context in her tweets? She just up and started being racist. She didn't reply or @ people.

How did the NYT respond to the maccacca controversy? I'm guessing they didn't forgive justify and forget. Racism either is or isn't tolerated. For the NYT though apparently the right kind of racism is. Or should I say the left kind.; 8/3/18, 7:32 AM
SDaly said...: This is another crack in my wife's longstanding support for the Dems. I showed her the tweets, and said, she's talking about me -- and you, and our kids. They hate us all. She was actually becoming upset by the time I got the kids.; 8/3/18, 7:32 AM
Leland said...: I've read several people denouncing complaints as mobs trying to score a scalp and threatening the first amendment. I support freedom of speech and freedom of association, so the NYT is free to hire racist bigots like this lady. However, I'm also free to recognize the NYT as a platform for racist bigotry. Those defending this bigotry ought to be shamed.; 8/3/18, 7:33 AM
SDaly said...: Althouse - how do you distinguish civility bullshit from criticizing racism?; 8/3/18, 7:35 AM
LincolnTf said...: She perfectly embodies the hateful, bigoted Left that the NYT relies on as a customer base. She'll be there for decades.; 8/3/18, 7:36 AM
Phil 314 said...: Always smart to hire someone who has already violated your HR policies. That way they learn about public apologies and “frank discussions”.

As long as you’re not having sex with those white guys to get a story, we’re good. (And even then...); 8/3/18, 7:37 AM
Trumpit said...: "Perhaps a Jew name qualifies her for labor at the Jew York Times."

You'd prefer the gas chambers for those pesky Jews, wouldn't you, Fernandistein. You outed yourself as the lowlife hater that you really are, and a longstanding admirer of the Nazis' Final Solution. Even Trump isn't as deplorable as you are.; 8/3/18, 7:39 AM
Laslo Spatula said...: As far as female Korean comics go, she is funnier than Margaret Cho.; 8/3/18, 7:41 AM
Mike Sylwester said...: On July 5, 2017, the Motherboard website published an article titled Students Lose Acceptance to Harvard Over Racist Memes.

The article was written by Sara Jeong.

The article includes the following passages.
=============================================

A big envelope arrives in the mail: it's a college admissions packet! You're going to college! You do a little dance. You tell your parents. You all cry. And then you join the Facebook group for the class of 2021.

If you graduated high school this year, you may have gone through this very same process alongside hundreds of thousands of other incoming college freshmen. And if you're one of a very tiny, select minority, you got accepted to Harvard. Congratulations! Unless you're one of the ten (or more) students who just got their acceptance rescinded for posting offensive memes on Facebook.

According to the Harvard Crimson, the official college newspaper, about a hundred students from the official Harvard College Class of '21 Facebook group joined a private group chat for only posting memes. From there, an even smaller splinter group was formed for more "R-rated" memes, which I guess is what the kids these days call super racist content. In order to get into the "R-rated" group—which was at one point titled "Harvard memes for horny bourgeois teens"—students had to post something edgy enough inside the regular meme chat.

The Crimson reports that the memes in the splinter group made fun of "sexual assault, the Holocaust, and the deaths of children." One joked about lynching a Mexican child, calling it "pinata time."

[....]

Does posting incredibly offensive content under your real name mean that you're not smart enough to go to Harvard? Is there some kind of special irony in the supposition that this would have never happened if Harvard dropout (and this year's commencement speaker) Mark Zuckerberg hadn't created Facebook? And now that Harvard is policing memes, is the withdrawal of admission on the basis of shitposting going to become a national trend? I'd rather not consider the answers to these questions, but unfortunately, time will probably tell.; 8/3/18, 7:45 AM
SDaly said...: Rape is against the law.

Blacks who rape whites are prosecuted.
Whites who rape blacks are not.

Normal person: Doesn't that violate equal protection?

Althouse: "Civility bullshit!"; 8/3/18, 7:45 AM
FIDO said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/3/18, 7:46 AM
Henry said...: Phil 3:14 said...
Always smart to hire someone who has already violated your HR policies

The New York Times are the Houston Astros of newspapers.; 8/3/18, 7:47 AM
Fernandinande said...: Another racist dog-eating gook writes in Slate that white people are bad, but with the standard flimsy phrases "the existing racial structure that serves to keep white people in power" and "white fragility is real".

I'd expect better from someone who was named after a monster in a Godzilla movie.; 8/3/18, 7:52 AM
gilbar said...: Zingers represent Everything that is Good and Great about the Whole World, and the UNITED STATES of AMERICA in particular. Praise be to GOD that some food engineer realized that you could put frosting on Twinkies . Think of how dull and tasteless life would be without Zingers. GOD Bless America, and GOD Bless the Hostess Corporation!; 8/3/18, 7:54 AM
gilbar said...: Oh, and you KNOW what makes Zingers even MORE Delicious
That's Right
ICE COLD WHOLE MILK!!!; 8/3/18, 7:55 AM
Ralph L said...: SDaly, look at her tagged CB posts. Unfortunately, they're in reverse order, but you'll see you've got the wrong end of the stick.; 8/3/18, 7:55 AM
Hagar said...: Ambitious young woman on her way up the greasy pole. Former personae easily shed.; 8/3/18, 7:56 AM
Henry said...: Astros management:

We are excited to welcome Roberto Osuna to our team. The due diligence by our front office was unprecedented. We are confident that Osuna is remorseful, has willfully complied with all consequences related to his past behavior, has proactively engaged in counseling, and will fully comply with our zero tolerance policy related to abuse of any kind.

Osuna's lawyer:

My client is not remorseful; 8/3/18, 7:58 AM
SDaly said...: Ralph L.

No, I don't. I've followed and read her since, literally, one month after she started blogging.; 8/3/18, 7:59 AM
Henry said...: Steven Wright: “I went down to the 24-hour grocery. When I got there, the guy was locking the front door. I said, 'Hey, the sign says you’re open 24 hours. He said, 'Yes, but not in a row.”; 8/3/18, 8:00 AM
Ralph L said...: Gilbar, Dolley Madison bakery created the Zinger--using Peanuts. Hostess bought them out.

I preferred Tastycake Krimpets and chocolate Twinkies. They tasted the most synthetic. Mom always made us drink (2%) milk with them.; 8/3/18, 8:01 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: The other "blue check mark brigade" that came to her defense with the old "reverse racism isn't a thing" and "those are just old tweets bullshit weren't practicing civility either. They were circling the wagons. The NYT is racist and stupid for hiring her. She is a mirror image of Hitler, and perfectly reflects the anti-white racism of the East. The Koreans think they are superior to all other races, just above the Chinese. It endemic. It is racist.

The stupidest thing Progressives have done this century is insist that White Identity matters and encourage talk of White Genocide. You can't honestly shriek about Trump playing verbal footsie with supremacists in Charlotte and then proclaim yourself aligned with people who want to exterminate whitey. Now the NYT and Sarah "Adolph" Jeong have 60% of the country absolutely certain that the Media hates us and wants us to die off. Way to start a race war NYT! By the way, people who want to exterminate the People are colloquially known as "enemies of the people."

So you are making the other Sarah (Sanders) a hero too for refusing to bark the way the Media wants her too. Yes we feel like the Media wants to be my enemy. They say so. So the NYT and Trump agree on this point.; 8/3/18, 8:03 AM
gilbar said...: Gilbar, Dolley Madison bakery created the Zinger--using Peanuts. Hostess bought them out. I thought that was the case: Obviously GOD BLess the Dolly Madison Corp too!
Chocolate Twinkies Are pretty damn good too!; 8/3/18, 8:04 AM
Ralph L said...: If I do that, will you know what I mean and know what my position on the Sarah Jeong question?

Apparently not. I took it to mean she was criticizing the hypocritical critics (in the NY article) of the critics of Jeong. But you could be right and I'm wrong.; 8/3/18, 8:09 AM
I'm Full of Soup said...: We should definitely Keep letting immigrants come here whose offspring, for some reason, seem to hate the country. I.E. Linda Sarsour, Sarah, Jeong.; 8/3/18, 8:09 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: Blacks who rape whites are prosecuted.
Whites who rape blacks are not.

Black on white crime isn't happening. It's almost non-existent.; 8/3/18, 8:15 AM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: "The stupidest thing Progressives have done this century is insist that White Identity matters and encourage talk of White Genocide. You can't honestly shriek about Trump playing verbal footsie with supremacists in Charlotte and then proclaim yourself aligned with people who want to exterminate whitey. "

Well, white people do have a lot to answer for. They founded Harvard and the New York Times.; 8/3/18, 8:15 AM
Tommy Duncan said...: Increased transparency is one of the recent changes in the behavior of the left.

Bernie made it OK to be openly socialist. BLM and La Raza made it acceptable to be openly racist. Antifa made violence mainstream. Now the NYT makes hatred and bias a job requirement.; 8/3/18, 8:19 AM
SDaly said...: Shouting Thomas, I know that. It was a hypothetical.; 8/3/18, 8:19 AM
Kevin said...: “white genocide...”

When the Jews and others are putting the “Nazis” in the ovens, it will receive glowing coverage by the NYT.; 8/3/18, 8:20 AM
robother said...: This does put Harvard's policy of limiting Asian admissions in a better light.; 8/3/18, 8:25 AM
Chris N said...: Knows pretty much nothing about tech? Check

Is a ranting and popular SJW from a category vaguely associated (by morons) with tech? Check

Welcome aboard. Guardian, here we come!; 8/3/18, 8:26 AM
Michael said...: Shouting T

"Black on white crime isn't happening. It's almost non-existent." I believe you have this backwards. Otherwise come to Atlanta for reeducation.; 8/3/18, 8:28 AM
TRISTRAM said...: As Iowahawk tweets:

Q: how can you tell if a tweet is racist?
A: it depends, true racism can only come from a position of power.
Q: how can you tell if it’s from a position of power?
A: when the tweeter doesn’t get fired for it.; 8/3/18, 8:28 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: Yes, that should have read:

"White on black rape isn't happening. It's almost non-existent."; 8/3/18, 8:32 AM
Ralph L said...: I thought you were being sarcastic, Shouting.
This CB stuff is very confusing.; 8/3/18, 8:43 AM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: This silly woman doesn't realize that as far as Google is concerned, she is actually white:

"This is part of a phenomenon I have long observed, under the label of “how the Asians became white.” It’s not just that Asians are being treated like whites for purposes of race preferences, with some institutions deliberately setting lower standards (or creating a “plus factor,” which is the same thing) for black and Hispanic applicants than for Asian and white applicants — instead, people sometimes actually call Asians white (mostly unconsciously, I suspect)."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/29/how-the-asians-became-white/?utm_term=.d28a2411582c; 8/3/18, 8:48 AM
buwaya said...: Its war.
Bullshit serves as ammo too.; 8/3/18, 8:50 AM
TRISTRAM said...: Connecting this story with Jim Acosta, Protester from CNN:

To paraphrase Glen Reynolds:
I’ll believe they aren't enemies of the people when the people who keep telling me they aren't enemies of the people start acting like they aren't enemies of the people.; 8/3/18, 8:50 AM
I'm Full of Soup said...: Ralph L:

Mmmm Tastykakes - my favorite are the chocolate Tandy Takes.; 8/3/18, 8:51 AM
Big Mike said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/3/18, 8:54 AM
Critter said...: NY Times: They are who we thought they are.

One more step along the path to becoming an angry version of the Onion.; 8/3/18, 8:55 AM
robother said...: I assume Ann's Civility Bullshit tag is related to Mollie Hemingway's observation:

"Seeing lots of people rush to enable the established system where rules apply only to conservatives, and not to liberals. Not the best way to serve conservatives in particular, or civil society in general."

Kevin Williamson (and NR people in general) seem to knee jerk themselves into this role every time.; 8/3/18, 8:56 AM
Unknown said...: Objecting to racial insults makes you right-wing?; 8/3/18, 8:56 AM
narciso said...: nothing to hear there

http://fortune.com/2018/08/03/sarah-jeong/; 8/3/18, 9:01 AM
Rick said...: The first is that, as Splinter News’ Libby Watson notes, Jeong’s tweets were clearly jokes, not policy proposals.

Here's the newest defense, apparently jokes cannot be racist. Our culture seems to be evolving literally overnight into whatever the craziest leftist in the debate needs it to be.; 8/3/18, 9:01 AM
Oso Negro said...: @ Althouse - it’s great that in this case you are not willing to play. Is there ANYTHING the New York Times can do that will make you unwilling to pay?; 8/3/18, 9:01 AM
narciso said...: even decent Russian oligarchs hires, are spotty

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/ny-times-journalist-sarah-jeong-racist-tweets-white-people-trolls-verge-a8475596.html; 8/3/18, 9:03 AM
Mike Sylwester said...: My comment at 7:45 did not link correctly.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/newbkw/students-lose-acceptance-to-harvard-over-racist-memes; 8/3/18, 9:03 AM
narciso said...: yes she's yelling at clouds, ignore that

https://hollywoodlife.com/2018/08/02/who-is-sarah-jeong-new-york-times-writer-anti-white-tweets/; 8/3/18, 9:06 AM
Anonymous said...: The only thing surprising about any of this is that there are still white people out there who are only now beginning to dimly perceive that "our" institutions - guv, media, cultural, educational - are staffed by people who hate them and want them dead.

Understandably - "We hate you and want you dead and wiped from history" *is* awfully subtle, and its meaning open to interpretation by any thoughtful, fair-minded person. Better to stamp that 10 millionth foot-stamp about the hypocritical left and its double standards. That'll bring 'em around. (Just be sure to tell everyone that you're not racist like those nasty lefties while you're at it.)

Though I guess the above type is a slight improvement on the gormless whites who've let the media convince them that a handful of waddling tiki-torch bozo-nazis are the greatest contemporary threat to our safety, rights, and freedom.; 8/3/18, 9:10 AM
Trumpit said...: "white genocide...

When the Jews and others are putting the “Nazis” in the ovens, it will receive glowing coverage by the NYT."

The president, his cohorts, sponsors, and jockstrap supporters are the "Nazis" currently in power who are killing people in droves. They must be stopped.; 8/3/18, 9:10 AM
TRISTRAM said...: The thing is, most of the time you can ignore the crazy things Milton says, but there is a chance he really means it when he says he is going to burn the building down. 'S how I feel about young Ms. Sarah.; 8/3/18, 9:15 AM
Ann Althouse said...: "Ms. Althouse you have used two words where one will do. The "civility" part of that phrase is superfluous."

You're misreading the phrase. "Civility" is the subcategory of bullshit. It's bullshit on the topic of civility. I say that these demands for civility are always bullshit, which seems to be what you too are saying in perceiving redundancy. But the reason it's not redundancy is because there's a lot of bullshit that's not about civility, and my tag doesn't apply to bullshit in general.; 8/3/18, 9:20 AM
Ann Althouse said...: Civility could be a decent value, but I'm not seeing anyone talking about it where it is genuinely an end in itself or an across-the-board, viewpoint neutral standard. That's why I engage in the hyperbole of saying it's ALWAYS bullshit.; 8/3/18, 9:22 AM
Big Mike said...: “She understands that this type of rhetoric perfectly normal at The Times and we are confident that she will be an important voice for the editorial board moving forward."

What they really mean.; 8/3/18, 9:22 AM
Nonapod said...: There's a rumor going around that Trump may read some of her Tweets at a rally tonight. That'd be something.; 8/3/18, 9:22 AM
MikeR said...: Nothing to do with civility. The woman seems to be a despicable racist. Pointing that out is not a "tantrum". And it shouldn't take a right-winger to want her fired. If she's on the editorial board of the NYT then the NYT is okay with despicable racists.; 8/3/18, 9:25 AM
SDaly said...: Very few people are complaining about the lack of civility. They are complaining about unequal treatment of the speakers based upon their race.; 8/3/18, 9:27 AM
narciso said...: but as I've illustrated they are all, to a man and woman, I can't wait to see rolling stone's take, snorfle,; 8/3/18, 9:28 AM
rhhardin said...: The point of civility is that it's fake. It has no real form.; 8/3/18, 9:28 AM
Sam L. said...: "Can I just give this story my tag "civility bullshit"? If I do that, will you know what I mean and know what my position on the Sarah Jeong question? "
Abso-damn-LUTELY.; 8/3/18, 9:29 AM
rhhardin said...: The woman seems to be a despicable racist.

She's arguing against trolls but doesn't know how to do it yet. Opposite troll doesn't ever work.

Saying that even East Asians, who are smarter than whites, want to move to countries run by whites and not East Asians, would be a good opening shot against her, if you wanted to upgrade her argumentation style.; 8/3/18, 9:33 AM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Well, she also sent out a tweet saying she'd like to fire Tom Friedman and she also hates Krugman. So actually, I'm really rather happy when I contemplate what a pleasant work environment the NY Times has created for itself. It's like tossing a bunch of alley cats in a sack.; 8/3/18, 9:33 AM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: it reminds me of the SNL skit about the "All Drug Olympics"

why not quit the 'civility bullshit' and just go full-bore?; 8/3/18, 9:33 AM
Birches said...: What's worse than the racist stuff is the tweets and old articles people are finding that show how smart she thinks she is. She's a terrible writer. The NYT should be embarrassed. I predict they will be in the coming months.; 8/3/18, 9:34 AM
Lucien said...: Since the NYT knew what Sara Jeong was before hiring her it will be fun to see what happens if anyone ever accuses her of racial harassment.

I also can’t wait to read her take on whether Amy Wax should be barred from teaching Civ. Pro.; 8/3/18, 9:35 AM
rhhardin said...: Say that whites are known for their ability to compete and yet cooperate, which makes their organizations work. Where we need really smart technical people, we hire East Asians.

What's her reply?; 8/3/18, 9:35 AM
rhhardin said...: Gradually sneak in western values by showing their value in arguments.; 8/3/18, 9:37 AM
Ralph L said...: So who is shitting bull-fully: those attacking Jeong/NYT, those defending/excusing her, or both chickens and eggs?; 8/3/18, 9:38 AM
Lucien said...: How is a white person working alongside Ms. Jeong situated differently than a woman working alongside James Damore would have been?; 8/3/18, 9:38 AM
rhhardin said...: It's so much better than just saying your mother was a comfort woman.; 8/3/18, 9:39 AM
rhhardin said...: He who fling mud lose ground.; 8/3/18, 9:44 AM
mandrewa said...: The far left is never that far from genocide.

There is no obvious reason why 'left' has to mean racist, but I think in actual fact it always does. To correct myself I don't mean skin color but rather that there is always a group of people that the left really, really hates that is defined by birth.

And I don't mean 'racist' in some small or normal sense, or in other words what is more or less true of everyone, but a pervasive, foundational sense, where it pervades their thinking, and it can't help coming out implicitly all of the time.

And they seem to be unaware of it. Even as they demonstrate the most extreme racist thinking, they seem to have no self-awareness of what they are doing.; 8/3/18, 9:47 AM
rhhardin said...: The left are children, is all.; 8/3/18, 9:49 AM
rhhardin said...: Lord of the Flies.; 8/3/18, 9:49 AM
Mike Sylwester said...: I suspect that Jeong was drunk when she wrote those tweets.; 8/3/18, 9:50 AM
Lawrence Person said...: More of "It's not racist when we do it!"

But we shouldn't let this little dust-up distract us from the more important point that no one in the entire world gives a rat's ass what the New York Times editorial board says about anything, ever.; 8/3/18, 9:51 AM
alan markus said...: Nonapod said: There's a rumor going around that Trump may read some of her Tweets at a rally tonight. That'd be something.

He should do it. One thing that rankles the Trump supporters I know is his Tweeting - wish he would just shut up with that. And like me, I don't think they use or understand Twitter.

He should read those Tweets, and then cap it with: "I Tweet so that you don't have to."

Like Tim Maguire said in the opening comments, another 100,000 votes Trump's way; 8/3/18, 9:52 AM
Nonapod said...: This person strikes me as an edgelord. I don't know (or care) if she actually believes the nonsense she's posted, but either way I suspect the intention was to be provocative.

That said, I'm glad she was hired by the NYT. I hope the NYT continues to prove how out of touch they are. I want them to drive their ship right into the rocks at a faster rate. I hope they hire Louis Farrakhan as a contibuting editor.; 8/3/18, 10:03 AM
Big Mike said...: @Lawrence Person, if only that were totally true. If the Times ran an editorial advising their readers to bash racist Trump voters (and to the Times there is no other kind!) with a baseball bat, then by COB next day the sporting goods stores would be sold out of bats. Hell, even Althouse thinks that the Times publishes news instead of propaganda so blatant it would embarrass Goebbels.; 8/3/18, 10:11 AM
buwaya said...: Balfegor touched on one thing yesterday that is pertinent.
There is indeed a species of Asian arrogance which these tweets seem to be at least influenced by.

Or to be more specific a North-Asian (and occasional Subcontinental) arrogance.
You see it in US schools with a heavy Asian presence. The Chinese/Korean (and some others) kids have a certain attitude, towards everyone else. They absolutely know they are a cut above the rest, and if someone not of their kind is in their league it surprises them.; 8/3/18, 10:12 AM
Drago said...: Nonapod: "That said, I'm glad she was hired by the NYT. I hope the NYT continues to prove how out of touch they are."

Indeed.

I want the lefties to continue to wear their fascism on their sleeves.
I want the CNN Fake News crew to continue their antics.
I want LLR Chuck to continue exposing what he is really all about (not that he needs to provide any more evidence!)
I want the fake conservatives (Kristol/Max Boot, etc) to continue their open and passionate support for all things lefty/dem.

Transparency helps and forces everyone, now with full knowledge and understanding what everyone is about, to choose sides.

So we know exactly who is who.

As Buwaya and many others have argued, this is indeed a "cold" war with increasingly "hot" aspects and it must work its way through its inevitable conclusion.; 8/3/18, 10:15 AM
Laslo Spatula said...: I have read comments that state that you need to read her quotes in context.

I think they work better in the context of schoolgirls in some 80s Molly Ringwald High School movie…

“I don’t think our History teacher likes me, Sarah…”

“Doesn’t like you? You’re the All-American white girl, Molly. Me, I’m the Korean girl in class. He probably, like, blames me for Vietnam.”

“But you get all ‘A’s in his class…”

“That’s just because he knows that if he gave me a ‘B+’ my parents would come down here and make his life miserable.”

“You know, I kinda wish my parents would do that kind of thing for me.”

“It’s an Asian thing, Molly. Our parents get crazy about grades and shit like that.”

“The only thing my parents get crazy about is remodeling the kitchen.”

“It must be so boring to be white.”

“I guess.”

“Our teacher doesn’t know what’s coming: I have three younger sisters right behind me, and they’ll all be taking his class.”

“Sometimes I wish I had a brother or sister…”

“White people have stopped breeding, Molly. You’ll all go extinct soon. This was my plan all along.”

“Very funny.”

“Oh yeah. And my sisters are meaner than I am. I am reasonably sure one of them will make our teacher cry.”

“I don’t know. You already needle him pretty hard…”

“Oh man, it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men.”

“Have you ever thought about, like, being nicer to some of our teachers?”

“I’ve tried, but it doesn’t work. I open my mouth to politely greet one of them, but an unending cascade of vomit flows from my face.”

“Ewwww.”

“Speaking of vomit: have you ever noticed that it’s mostly the white girls who go bulimic?”

“I never thought of it that way.”

“White girls are funny. You won’t see Korean girls throwing up their food, or, like, going to a tanning salon so they look like they’ve just got back from Hawaii even though we’re all in Ohio in November.”

“I’m a red-head: I don’t tan, I burn. I avoid the sun whenever possible.”

“Yeah. Everyone knows white people are genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins.”

“So now I’m a red-headed white goblin-troll-thing. Wonderful.”

“I don’t think either of us are going to get to be cheerleaders, Molly…”

I am Laslo.; 8/3/18, 10:19 AM
Kevin said...: "And they seem to be unaware of it. Even as they demonstrate the most extreme racist thinking, they seem to have no self-awareness of what they are doing."

Yep, just like their go-to insult for any man they disagree with is that he's gay. (see, Putin's cockholster, et. al.); 8/3/18, 10:19 AM
bagoh20 said...: But she has white friends, so...; 8/3/18, 10:22 AM
bagoh20 said...: This is like Ebony magazine hiring David Duke. Aren't most of her bosses, old white guys?; 8/3/18, 10:27 AM
walter said...: Blogger Matthew Sablan said...
What was out of context in her tweets? She just up and started being racist. She didn't reply or @ people.
--
Ah..well..that can be explained by...by..errr

Hey,
This new improved NYT continues to impress.
Yes, Trumpit..she will be in good company with Paul Krugman; 8/3/18, 10:27 AM
FIDO said...: From what someone else dug up, Madam Jeong used to like herself some White Meat. It seems she found a bad piece and since then, well, she seems to have sworn off the stuff.; 8/3/18, 10:31 AM
PM said...: It's just a corporate business decision. The NYT needs a younger reader/subscriber. They can frame it as 'giving voice to blah blah, but it's simpler than that.; 8/3/18, 10:33 AM
walter said...: "It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover? A first-pass answer is never… So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight." Paul Krugman of the New York Times the day after the election; 8/3/18, 10:39 AM
FIDO said...: How is a white person working alongside Ms. Jeong situated differently than a woman working alongside James Damore would have been?

I am sorry you are unable to see the difference, but I will happily outline it for the hard of thinking.

To wit:

James Damore advanced an argument that women might, all on their own, prefer to do NON Tech stuff. A revealed preference.

But as a matter of principle, he liked women, wanted to marry, or at least bang women, and enjoyed the company of women as a matter of course.

Sarah Jeong has clearly stated that she hates White People and that their suffering gives her a great deal of pleasure. That we smell like wet dogs, are useless and that she hopes they die off REAL SOON.

But using Standard Lefty Bullshit comparatives, yes, I can see where saying women might not like tech is EXACTLY like hoping all white people die...if one is an idiot or a liar.; 8/3/18, 10:40 AM
Gabriel said...: Did anyone notice that NYM cited only two of Jeong's tweets?

If anyone was getting their information solely from that article, they would not have seen the actual tweets that are causing the problem.; 8/3/18, 10:43 AM
Drago said...: Gabriel: "Did anyone notice that NYM cited only two of Jeong's tweets?

If anyone was getting their information solely from that article, they would not have seen the actual tweets that are causing the problem."

Iowahawk: "Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving."; 8/3/18, 10:50 AM
Balfegor said...: Re: mandrewa:

And they seem to be unaware of it. Even as they demonstrate the most extreme racist thinking, they seem to have no self-awareness of what they are doing.

I think you need to distinguish between what they say and what they think. I'm pretty sure Sarah Jeong knows she's a racist, and is comfortable with that fact. I mean, in my experience confronting Koreans when they say racist things (generally just to tell them "Don't say that in English, you fool! Use Korean!"), a common retort is, "But it's true!" I mean, when they're writing in English, sometimes Korean racists are forced to back down due to outrage. And sometimes international outrage prompts them to apologise even when the original remarks were in Korean. But by and large, my impression is that most Koreans still aren't particularly troubled by racism unless it's racism against Koreans.

This nonsense about only cracking racist jokes in response to racist harassment is just a fig leaf. They have to say something, and it doesn't matter whether it's remotely credible. The point isn't to justify or explain, but to come up with a face-saving excuse for the Times. Just has to be something, and this is good enough.; 8/3/18, 10:53 AM
Balfegor said...: Incidentally, for a sample of classic Korean racism that probably would not have been excused by the NYT, take a look at that first link, which excerpts a couple tweets from SNSD songwriter Jenny Hyun:

Compared Floyd Mayweather to an "ungrateful ape."
Called African-Americans "disgusting, violent, arrogant, and stupid."
Wrote: “We don’t know what it’s like with them not here. But imagine a world with NO BLACK PEOPLE. All the tension in every aspect of life would be drastically improved without them around. And ONLY them.”

(I, uh, I think she probably lived through the 1992 riots); 8/3/18, 10:58 AM
Howard said...: Whites are categorically exempt from being victims of racism. Because of our mostly 1% status in the current world, we are not allowed to lack confidence and self assurance. Therefore, whatever this woman said automatically gets a pass. Those of you whinging about it are by definition snowflakes; 8/3/18, 11:17 AM
n.n said...: NYT asks people to tone it down, be more tolerant, be more diverse, and less political.; 8/3/18, 11:26 AM
Drago said...: Good times, good times...all the way back in 2008.

But Trump really started it all in 2015!

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D74Xs1VuYAE; 8/3/18, 11:27 AM
Sebastian said...: @buwaya:

"Balfegor touched on one thing yesterday that is pertinent.
There is indeed a species of Asian arrogance which these tweets seem to be at least influenced by."

Hey, hey, I think that was yours truly.

I believe Balfegor made the related, also valid and generalizable, point that criticism of "whites" in tech is really veiled anti-Asian racism.; 8/3/18, 11:32 AM
gilbar said...: thank you lazlo!
Now i have to dig out my dvd of 16 candles. That's the funniest movie EVER!

"Where am i?"
"I'll tell you Where you are, if you tell me WHO you are?"
"I'm farmer Ted"
"Your in front of my family's church"
"Your family owns a church?"; 8/3/18, 11:32 AM
Doug said...: Ray said: Part of the reason I avoid going to the movies, is how the villains are almost always White, in a Spider-Man movie you had a White gang. Blacks are are almost always portrayed as the Magical Negro and/or the computer nerd. I’m very tired of how anti White normal types, Hollywood is. The criminal / bad guy is usually the White business person. It’s become sillier and even counter productive. It’s become such blatant politicizing of their product, that I’m just walking away from it. I don’t need to pay to be propagandized too, and made to think the right way.

Madison Avenue is SOOO guilty of this, too. The bad guy in every home security system TV commercial is a white guy. Seriously - do you think people who are in the market for technology to protect their homes and their families are worried about idiotic WHITE guys?; 8/3/18, 11:48 AM
buwaya said...: You certainly could realistically use white villain masterminds, for the sake of theater. Most of them in the real world, that have serious resources amd networks, are actually white. Anyone who isn't white, in that world, is a flunky.

Consider who actually runs things in the US, and the global economy. In Asia you do get plenty of non-white criminal masterminds, but their ambit is limited.

Petty criminals are another matter.; 8/3/18, 11:56 AM
buwaya said...: Lots of them even look like they should be villains, George Soros say, but many others too, most of them no doubt perfectly fine fellows in spite of their sinister aspect.; 8/3/18, 12:02 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: David French misses the point: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/sarah-jeong-twitter-controversy-anti-white-racism-exists/
French says that white racism is different (and worse) than non-white racism because white people have more power than non-white people.
But people are individuals, non aggregates. A non-white racist has power over some whites, just not the white people French identifies with. How would you like to apply for a job where one or more Sarah Jeung's are on the hiring committee? Or require some assistance from Sarah Jeung, city or county bureaucrat?
Ms. Jeong is a member of the NY Times editorial board. This is a position of power; she literally decides what words can be printed in the nation's paper of record. Racism without power is racism without consequences. Nobody cares about it.; 8/3/18, 12:02 PM
MayBee said...: Seeing all these tweets from Jeung, I feel like she is the same as Louis CK, masturbating right in front of us.

We need a term for this Tweetsturbate? Mastweetbate?; 8/3/18, 12:10 PM
langford peel said...: Protect freedom and slap a reporter today. Or at least throw something at them. Publish their home address or where their children go to school.

Do it to them before they do it to you.

This slant eyed cunt is a perfect representation of their elitist ilk.

The press is the true enemy of the American People.; 8/3/18, 12:27 PM
FIDO said...: She was tweegging herself.; 8/3/18, 12:29 PM
The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...: The NYT will shuffle her out of the building soon enough, but they can’t be seen to be caving to conservative outrage right away.

There seems to be a lot of assumption in these comments that prog Whites don’t care about Jeong’s comments. They certainly can’t say so out loud (indeed, they must say quite the opposite) but that doesn’t mean they haven’t internalized her distaste for them. She’s probably too clueless to twig to it now, but I’d bet that her future at work involves a whole lot of passive/aggressive sniping and back-stabbing.; 8/3/18, 12:41 PM
The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...: Get a lone Prog comfortable in the company of conservatives and just watch the pent-up racist resentment flow. Invariably, it’s the conservatives who will be shocked and uneasy.; 8/3/18, 12:45 PM
walter said...: Being so plugged in and all, she didn't think to delete them?; 8/3/18, 12:49 PM
langford peel said...: You would think she would be better at tweets since the chinks are so successful with their fortune cookies.; 8/3/18, 12:57 PM
FIDO said...: There seems to be a lot of assumption in these comments that prog Whites don’t care about Jeong’s comments. They certainly can’t say so out loud (indeed, they must say quite the opposite) but that doesn’t mean they haven’t internalized her distaste for them. She’s probably too clueless to twig to it now, but I’d bet that her future at work involves a whole lot of passive/aggressive sniping and back-stabbing.

At least Thomas Friedman, with his well established Yellow Fever, knows enough to keep his distance.; 8/3/18, 12:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Lewis Wetzel: David French misses the point: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/sarah-jeong-twitter-controversy-anti-white-racism-exists/

Of course he does.

French says that white racism is different (and worse) than non-white racism because white people have more power than non-white people.

Of course he does.

Groveling eunuch, er, "principled conservative" that he is.; 8/3/18, 12:59 PM
Martin said...: "Right Wing Tantrum"?

Another 50,000 votes for Trump in 2020. Ka-ching, ka-ching.; 8/3/18, 1:13 PM
Ralph L said...: that doesn’t mean they haven’t internalized her distaste for them.

They'll convince themselves that it was performance art.; 8/3/18, 1:14 PM
Bates said...: If I say “fuck this shit” it should be allowed to stand as an internet post. You should have an “overly sensitive” dial on your browser client that lets you set the temperature of what you see on the web. Raw or over cooked. The many billion dollar information monopolies should be to add a smell variable as a content standard to every threaded post. But they are too cheap. They don’t want to have the conversations that competition brings.; 8/3/18, 1:23 PM
Jim at said...: I read this comment elsewhere, and am using it here because it's perfect:

She was born in South Korea. 38K mostly straight white men from America died so she could grow up in a free country. She went on to get degrees from Berkley and Harvard Law School and now sits on the NYT Editorial Board. If it wasn't for straight white men she'd be prostituting herself out in N. Korea for some bread.; 8/3/18, 1:25 PM
narciso said...: She's quite a piece of work:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/03/nyt-sarah-jeong-cop-men-tweets/; 8/3/18, 1:32 PM
Anonymous said...: CE Rampant: There seems to be a lot of assumption in these comments that prog Whites don’t care about Jeong’s comments.

Prog whites in general, perhaps. A lot of 'em are just politically left-leaning, not mentally ill people suffering from terminal racial/ethnomasochism. But white co-workers at the NYT? I doubt it.

They certainly can’t say so out loud (indeed, they must say quite the opposite) but that doesn’t mean they haven’t internalized her distaste for them. She’s probably too clueless to twig to it now, but I’d bet that her future at work involves a whole lot of passive/aggressive sniping and back-stabbing.

From whom do you think people like Jeong picked up the white-hating ideology that she expresses so freely and confidently? The older versions of her white co-workers, that's who. Sure, the anti-white bullshit that she's no doubt been marinating in her entire educational and professional life was very likely added to an already existing racial bigotry that she picked up at home, but she'd have learned to keep that homelier sort of prejudice to herself if all her white peers weren't rotten with the hate-whitey poison themselves. I doubt that any white person capable of a normal healthy reaction to Jeong's racial hatred has been hired by the NYT for anything in at least 20 years. They hate "white people" at least as much as she does.; 8/3/18, 1:34 PM
Roughcoat said...: Asians generally think they're superior to everyone else, including other Asians not of their respective ethnic groups.; 8/3/18, 1:35 PM
Michael Fitzgerald said...: People who write racist comments should not be allowed online.; 8/3/18, 1:46 PM
buwaya said...: "The older versions of her white co-workers, that's who. "

That whole milieu of the MSM seems like its an antechamber of hell. Everyone is a lost soul.; 8/3/18, 1:48 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: Blogger Roughcoat said...
Asians generally think they're superior to everyone else, including other Asians not of their respective ethnic groups.
Wait a sec! Aren't most ethnic Asians non-Christian? How can that be, when we know that Christianity is responsible for all racism? Hitler was an altar boy, you know.; 8/3/18, 1:54 PM
Balfegor said...: Re: Althouse:

Civility could be a decent value, but I'm not seeing anyone talking about it where it is genuinely an end in itself or an across-the-board, viewpoint neutral standard. That's why I engage in the hyperbole of saying it's ALWAYS bullshit.

I think don't think civility can be a neutral standard -- civility is always subtly weighted in favour of the status quo, and in favour of those in power. Not overwhelmingly, but on balance, that's the way it goes. I still believe what I wrote here some years ago, that incivility is more problematic for conservatives who want to preserve a traditional society buoyed up by unwritten rules, than it is for liberals who are happy to tear everything down and build a terrible new world on the ruins of the old.

Trump isn't a conservative in that sense, obviously -- he more of a revolutionary. And conservatives have made common cause with him not because he's one of them, but because his vision of the world leaves them a place to live, while his opponents are bent on their extinction. I said:

A conservative activist flouting traditional etiquette is a species of hypocrisy, a hint to the observer that his commitment to the ideals he professes is weaker than his desire to win.

I still think that's true, but it turns out a lot of conservative activists were desperate to win after all. The decent world they wanted to preserve is already dead.

At this point, my impression of basically all instances of the Right complaining about racist outbursts from Leftists is that they're undertaken largely for strategic advantage, and responded to in kind -- there's no shared understanding about what is inside and outside the bounds of decency anymore. The progressive Left is happy to insist on absurd rules that racism against Whites is by definition not racism. But forcing them to talk about and defend people like Sarah Jeong (or Sarah Silverman, or James Gunn) is -- strategically -- a way to expose progressives to the mob, and force a redefinition of the bounds of polite discourse through public outrage.

Because at this point, the Right are still the rebels, operating in an environment where the people who have the media megaphones and control the schools are inventing new rules of etiquette, e.g. that enforcing laws against illegal immigration is racist, so you mayn't advocate for that in polite company. If the bounds of polite discourse have been drawn by your enemies so your beliefs are rude, you really can't conduct a civil debate anymore.; 8/3/18, 1:54 PM
buwaya said...: " the chinks are so successful with their fortune cookies."

Fortune cookies are American. Much copied across the world in Chinese restaurants, but they aren't traditionally Chinese.

From the Wiki, and the controversy of the origin was current in the 1980's, a San Francisco- Los Angeles dispute. Also note these were Japanese-ish, not Chinese-ish, originally.

"Makoto Hagiwara of Golden Gate Park's Japanese Tea Garden in San Francisco is reported to have been the first person in the U.S. to have served the modern version of the cookie when he did so at the tea garden in the 1890s or early 1900s. The fortune cookies were made by a San Francisco bakery, Benkyodo."

The Golden Gate Park Japanese Tea Garden is well worth a visit btw. We used to go almost every weekend. However, they do NOT serve fortune cookies of any sort anymore.; 8/3/18, 1:55 PM
buwaya said...: " The decent world they wanted to preserve is already dead."

This is the fundamental truth, which many still resist.
The only way through to a restoration of a world of "decency" is by an overthrow of the current world.

Which will be extremely destructive.; 8/3/18, 2:00 PM
Rabel said...: Here are her new co-workers on the Editorial Board.

They decided to leave her in Seattle and let her work from there. That's probably the only wise decision they made in this entire imbroglio.; 8/3/18, 2:01 PM
buwaya said...: "If the bounds of polite discourse have been drawn by your enemies so your beliefs are rude, you really can't conduct a civil debate anymore."

This is why US politics really is at an end. You don't have normal politics, but war.

There is no argument, there is no horse-trading, there are no debates even in traditional venues for intellectual debate.; 8/3/18, 2:05 PM
buwaya said...: There is no way to salvage any of your institutions.
It really is a case of having to revert to the year zero.; 8/3/18, 2:08 PM
Ralph L said...: She jumped into the UVA rape hoax, too.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/08/03/flashback-new-york-times-bigot-sarah-jeong-defended-uva-rape-hoaxer/; 8/3/18, 2:09 PM
Balfegor said...: Re: Roughcoat:

Asians generally think they're superior to everyone else, including other Asians not of their respective ethnic groups.

I think there's actually a difference between Asian Americans. My experience is that Asian Asians (or really, Koreans and Japanese) assume that White people must actually be really smart on average. I've seen threads on 2chan (a Japanese BBS) where commenters are marvelling that in the US the rank order of test scores is Asians > Whites > Blacks, because they thought for sure it would be Whites > Asians > Blacks. I've also observed that they're sometimes anxious about systems that decide everything by tests, and often want a more subjective, holistic evaluation process in the sadly mistaken belief that this will help them, not hurt them.

Asian Americans, on the other hand, know that those subjective, holistic assessments are massively weighted against Asians, because the whole point of them is to help Blacks, Hispanics, and the stupid children of rich Whites. Asian Americans have also had White classmates, and watched them struggle, and seen how Asians who were average students back home can turn into academic superstars once they come to the US. Asian-Americans tend, in my experience, towards much more racial triumphalism than Asian-Asians, at least on the West Coast.

I think there's also much more of a concern about letting down the side in front of the wogs among Asian-Americans than there is among Asians who -- after all -- have grown up in environments where both the top of the class and the bottom of the class were Asian, and where all the jobs, both elite and menial, are performed by Asians. I probably feel this a little differently -- perhaps more acutely -- than pure-blooded Asian-Americans, because I've long had a sense of inferiority on account of being half-White, a colonial cringe, if you will, like an Anglo-Indian. But that's what I've perceived.; 8/3/18, 2:11 PM
Drago said...: Michael Fitzgerald: "People who write racist comments should not be allowed online."

2 questions:

1) Who gets to decide?

2) Why are you picking on LLR Chuck?; 8/3/18, 2:28 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: I operate scientific research equipment in real time for a living. My customers are usually scientists or grad students. I once overheard a fasciating conversation between a Chinese (female) grad student (I believe she was from Singapore) and a Midwestern American male grad student. They were peers, working on the same project & were comparing backgrounds.
The Midwesterner was from a small town and had gone through public elementary and high schools. He said that in his family and community no one had ever expected him to do more than work in a factory or become a logger or whatever. The tide he had had to fight against to become a grad student at a prestigious university was that no one pushed him. His home town people weren't terribly impressed at what he had accomplished. The Chinese grad student described a regime of constant pressure to succeed by her family and community. They had invested heavily in her education and the schooling was brutal. Study was 16 hours each day, and she had to pass frequent tests designed to cull the slowest, least disciplined students from each cohort.
I would guess that they had similar IQ's. Entirely different backgrounds, and they ended up in the same place. Maybe there is something to be learned from the fact that they held their conversation in English, not Mandarin.; 8/3/18, 2:28 PM
buwaya said...: There is a degree of triumphalism among overseas Chinese in Asia.
In the Philippines and Singapore for certain.

There are also Asians and Asians, that aren't Chinese/Korean.

Filipinos and, I understand, Indonesians and Thais (that aren't actually Chinese or Chinese-mestizos) are not triumphalist. Granted that even in the US they aren't academic superstars - solidly in the "white" zone.

US-Indians are also interesting. They range from the humble to the snooty.
Indians can be remarkably snooty.; 8/3/18, 2:31 PM
buwaya said...: "Maybe there is something to be learned from the fact that they held their conversation in English, not Mandarin."

China had its chance, in the 15th century, to get a head start in the overseas imperialism business. It had the resources and technology to do it. China was a contender. But this was deliberately quashed by imperial policy.

Everything else was the result of the European imperial explosion of the next century, when Europe sent out ships across the globe to take everything they could. And they did, easily.
The struggle between European empires decided whether the language was to be English or Spanish or French.; 8/3/18, 2:37 PM
Char Char Binks, Esq. said...: So solly, so solly. No speakee Engrish!; 8/3/18, 2:38 PM
walter said...: https://sarahjeong.net/blog/page/1/; 8/3/18, 2:44 PM
Sydney said...: Maybe I am incredibly naive, but I can't believe a graduate of Harvard Law tweets out such drivel.; 8/3/18, 2:58 PM
Howard said...: buwaya puti the alien is on a role parroting putinbots sewing discord and division.; 8/3/18, 2:59 PM
Big Mike said...: I see that the editorial staff of “The Verge,” where Sara Jeong worked before being hired by the Times, has weighed in, arguing — on the basis of zero point zero evidence — by arguing that this entire issue is all fake outrage ginned up by Internet trolls. I think that says a lot about the bubble they, and she, and the Times inhabit. If those clowns can’t see why we heterosexual male honkies fon’t take kindly to someone wishing we were dead, then they’re a bit out of touch.; 8/3/18, 3:08 PM
Big Mike said...: @Sydney, why not? Look at Barack Obama.; 8/3/18, 3:10 PM
Balfegor said...: Re: Big Mike:

I see that the editorial staff of “The Verge,” where Sara Jeong worked before being hired by the Times, has weighed in, arguing — on the basis of zero point zero evidence — by arguing that this entire issue is all fake outrage ginned up by Internet trolls.

I don't think it's fake outrage . . . but I also don't think people are really all that outraged. I think it's more like rubbing a puppy's nose in its mess after it's soiled the carpet. She's obviously a racist, and it's low-hanging fruit: a useful "teachable moment" for everyone looking, to remind them that anti-White racism is real and the media are full of unapologetic racists.; 8/3/18, 3:11 PM
Roughcoat said...: Imperialism was a global phenomenon. In the 14th-16th centuries especially all the strong powers on earth, including those in pre-Colombian Meso- and South America, engaged in violent aggressive expansionism. European expansion was perforce directed overseas because they had no place else to go, the expansionist peoples of Central Asia (e.g., the Mongols, Turks, and many others) who were pushing relentlessly westward, had seen to that. Europe at the start of the Age of Overseas Exploration was comparatively downtrodden, continually and constantly battered and buffeted and otherwise beaten upon by Asian/Central Asian peoples, a pattern that had been in place since the days of the Roman imperium. Han China, even after forswearing overseas exploration and expansion, was continually undertaking to push its borders westward (and southward as well, hence its thousand year occupation of Vietnam), until they themselves fell victim to Manchurian imperialism. Of course the vast and frequent population movements by steppe peoples, e.g. the Germanic Volkswanderungen that ultimately destroyed the Roman state, were reaction to turmoil in East Asia. Asians came at Europe repeatedly and violently, with fire and sword and virulent pandemics that laid waste the continent and wiped out vast numbers of people.; 8/3/18, 3:14 PM
Michael Fitzgerald said...: @Drago 1) On this blog, it appears to be John Henry, Francisco D, and Oso Negro moderating the content for unacceptable words
2) I don't make the rules, I just apply them indiscriminately.; 8/3/18, 3:17 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: The late Bernard lewis implied that Asian people had no talent for the nation-state. From the ME to China, their political states have been based on the idea of maintaining and expanding dynasty, not republics or even empires.; 8/3/18, 3:25 PM