BBC reports.
On the subject of Nauru, here's a report in The Guardian from a couple days ago, "'Begging to die': succession of critically ill children moved off Nauru/Girl refusing food and water the latest out of dozens of children referred for transfer by medical staff."
A girl suffering “resignation syndrome” and who is refusing all food and water has been ordered off Nauru by an Australian court, as a succession of critically ill children are brought from the island.
At least three children have left the island since Thursday, and reports from island sources say at least three more children, as young as 12, are “on FFR” – food and fluid refusal....
“Before she got sick, she was the best-performing student,” a source familiar with the girl and her condition told the Guardian. “She had a dream to be a doctor in Australia and to help others. Now, she is on food-and-fluid refusal and begging to die as death is better than Nauru.”
The girl told her Australian advocate: “I can’t live in this island anymore. I hate everything and everyone around me. I hate to go outside. We left our country to have a good and better life, but we faced the worst life ever, the life which forced us to end it.”
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Manipulative much.
This is a relatively cheap operation by the globalists to destroy the worlds borders.
If the people pushing this, Ann, gave two shits about these people they would support strict border enforcement.
But they don’t care about anyone other than their feelz.
You weep, George Soros snickers.
You are a smart person Ann.
What happens when these kids are allowed to move to Australia because they are not eating and drinking?
The girl told her Australian advocate: “I can’t live in this island anymore. I hate everything and everyone around me. I hate to go outside."
So teenage girls are the same the world over.
It’s for the children.
Baghdad is coming to life.
Regime change is cheaper.
Wow, never thought I'd see the BBC or the Guardian pushing crudely manipulative refugee sob-stories, attacking a sovereign nation that has the audacity to maintain rational, non-feelz-based, non-BBC/Guardian approved refugee policies.
Really, that's not something you see every day.
Sounds like those that told her she could settle in Australia lied to her...
"If the people pushing this, Ann, gave two shits about these people they would support strict border enforcement."
What would a border wall around Australia look like?
Maybe just a lot more saltwater crocodiles?
Ann Althouse said...
What would a border wall around Australia look like?
Maybe just a lot more saltwater crocodiles?
You are better than that.
It looks like a boat trip back to wherever she came from.
Ann, it would look like the Pacific.
Patrick Henry said...
Sounds like those that told her she could settle in Australia lied to her...
They hope not.
The goal of the globalists is to tear down the countries that have escaped widespread poverty.
They cannot abide a population where 90+% of the population does not live day to day dependent on the aristocracy/
The solution is obvious: Wealthy nations and especially the wealthiest among those nations must open their borders and doors now to allow the resettlement of the poorest in the world. Who will go first? asks the little red hen.
"They can either return home, be resettled on Manus or Nauru, or go to a third country...."
or,
remain where they are to be soon eaten by the resident saltwater crocodiles, the crocodilian with the worst attitude of them all.
It is much easier to manipulate the poor. There is a market for poverty, if you think you can be one of the rich.
Feudalism has an appeal. The castles had walls.
It's the disparate impact of population distribution and attempt to maintain selective social welfare benefits.
If you remove the gospel of s w b, open border is the moral outcome.
I wonder on the country of origin,
and why the court decided not to disclose this...
There are two groups of people who want open borders.
One group knows what they are doing and is bent on returning the world to the state of poverty it existed in before the US and capitalism raised over a billion people out of poverty.
The other group is dumb and just wants to feel morally superior to other people.
This dynamic dominates the left.
It's not clear if Soros is going for host-parasite stasis or Hayek free open society.
For that matter Hayek was not clear either as he was European.
"They found that people from Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic (WEIRD) societies — who represent as much as 80 percent of study participants, but only 12 percent of the world's population — are not only unrepresentative of humans as a species, but on many measures they're outliers."
Daintree, north of Cairns, has some important birds, specifically the double-wattled cassowary. And his ilk.
Maybe just a lot more saltwater crocodiles?
Not needed. Everything in Australia tries to kill you. Sidney Funnel Web spiders, redbacked spiders (a nastier cousin of the American Black Widow that enjoys hiding under toilet seats), blue-ringed octopi, a whole bunch of snakes ranked among the most venomous in the world, fresh water sharks, box jellyfish, and more.
@Althouse, I'm not sure what you don't get about the right, no make that the obligation, of a country to enforce its borders?
Oh, dears. She's living in a place where she is free from serious fears. But it's too damn depressing. She only wants to be a doctor, you know!
The new PM of Australia is Scott Morrison, who was the minister who came up with and implemented the successful plan to stop the imvasion boats. I suspect he's not going to bend too much now.
Children at the border.
Get out the hankies.
“We left our country to have a good and better life"
This is the tell: they are not "refugees," they are "migrants."
And here's the other tell, about the Guardian and other migrant enablers: they don't even want to mention the country.
This discussion is over.
The fact that Trump is hammering illegal immigration running up to the midterms ensures our victory. There is no sizeable constituency for open borders and it will be the topic that drives this midterm. It was always a small group of globalists in DC and a few dupes in the electorate.
They lost.
September will be dominated by the battle between Trump shutting down DC over the wall and the globalists.
The number of COC traitors in the Republican Party will be halved at least next term.
Don't get on a boat, plink your countries leadership.
Rather than die of suicide on an island, die as a patriot by taking the bastards with you.
It's your country!
America needs to help these refuges by backing their needed revolution.
We should send Green Berets to train them, else ISIS will.
Ann Althouse said...
"What would a border wall around Australia look like?"
"If the boat was carrying asylum seekers, it would be the first successful landing by such a vessel in Australia for years...."
It would look like that.
As long as the corrupt governments of the world , e.g Mexico and Central America, can dump people into the USA and otherwise blame us for allowing it, they will have zero incentive to stop it or reform. With the demand for drugs and cheap labor creating a substantial incentive in and of themselves, its the perfect situation for globalists.
At some point, everything, everywhere, will reach a crappy equilibrium but for now its just approaching chaos.
Ted Cruz was correct in 2016 that if it were lawyers, doctors, accountants (and maybe even law professors) illegally crossing the border and depressing wages, that shit would have stopped immediately.
Can you imagine going to law school and collecting 150-200 thousand in student loans to find out a Mexican was doing your job for 60% of the previous salary with no demand for benefits?
Trump might want to threaten to let in 100,000 foreign attorneys under temporary work visas to make the point. And he could give special waivers into the federal bar, too.
Immigration reform in lieu of emigration reform for diverse reasons not limited to color.
Every Honduran and Salvadoran entering this country should be trained in combat, and sent back to their country to foment revolution. Even the women and kids.
The kids can wear suicide vests.
If we don't do it, ISIS will.
From a cursory Street View™ examination, Nauru looks like a tropical paradise with lots going on, probably mostly tourism from Oz. There are hospitals, bars, hotels and an international airport big enough for passenger jets. While there is a certain claustrophobia associated with living on an island, Nauru doesn't look like a bad place at all. The girl is suffering from teenage self-esteem issues, and the Guardian wants it to be a civil rights issue.
Birkel said...
Trump might want to threaten to let in 100,000 foreign attorneys under temporary work visas to make the point. And he could give special waivers into the federal bar, too.
Nah, if you really want to teach the left a lesson; 100,000 foreign college professors and administrators.
Funny place, Australia. They are a wealthy, sparsely populated Western democracy surrounded by very poor, over populated, politically corrupt Asian nations, yet they manage to control their borders without becoming literal Nazis. I have been assured by America's best & brightest that that is impossible.
As the local ecologies around the world begin collapsing--a result of overcrowding, resource depletion, pollution, climate change and so on--there will be increasing numbers of people fleeing where they're from to go someplace else. Those living in "someplace else" won't want (and probably won't be able, past a certain limit) to absorb and accommodate these refugees, and they will be repelled, with violence. As systems start breaking down and resource depletion becomes a global problem, violence will spread and we will find ourselves in a World War or world full of separate wars. Small distinction.
The next decades ahead will be a clusterfuck. There won't be any winners.
The problem with those countries they come from is not the leadership, or rather its leadership and social system are consequences of deeper problems.
There is a lot of truth in the saying that a country (usually) gets the leadership it deserves.
In the case of the Australian "boat people", the last I saw most were from the Middle East and South Asia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Syria being at the top.
"The next decades ahead will be a clusterfuck. There won't be any winners."
That sounds like an unbearable situation. Have you considered resignation syndrome as a solution?
Robert,
The local ecology has f-all to do with it. This idea is truly ridiculous to anyone actually from these places.
In almost all countries agricultural production and productivity is way up and diets are improving - or, at least, food is tremendously more plentiful. This is plainly evident to one who has seen the change, even by simply walking through a rural town, over the last fifty years. It really in incredible how former luxuries have become staples.
The biggest reasons for the flood of immigration all have to do with technology.
Tech creates expanding populations, vastly larger than those of a century before. Tech disemploys subsistence farmers, due to increases of labor-productivity, in many places creating vast rural unemployment. These people move to the cities where they acquire ambitions - and the developed world is the ultimate "city" in a glibal sense. Tech provides information about the world, such as the possibility and methods of emigration. And tech provides the means to emigrate, to get to a developed-world airport or border with minimal risk.
So that's what happened to those people who said they'd move to Australia if Trump was elected.
Australia doesn't need a wall. It has a moat. A great big beautiful moat.
Technology is part of it, especially previous immigrants that let those back home know of a better life abroad.
The world has also become a richer place and transportation cheaper, so the poor now can afford to immigrate.
People smugglers are not cheap, especially to Australia.
”Australia doesn't need a wall. It has a moat. A great big beautiful moat.”
Yep, and it demonstrably works.
Robert Cook said...The next decades ahead will be a clusterfuck. There won't be any winners.
China has a 95% chance of not being a clusterfuck by the time they come off the curve around 2040, imo. They’re doing everything right, if you’re them, not us.
From the Guardian article-
>...the Nauru government has defended the safety of children on the island.
“Children of refugees and asylum seekers on Nauru have access to education, health services, welfare, good accommodation and a range of social services provided by the Nauru and Australian governments. Nauruan children grow up happy and healthy on our island. Activists [are] playing politics and distorting facts,” the government said in a statement.
“Media reports about children of refugee and asylum seeker families in Nauru are false. None are in detention. They live with their families in our community alongside Nauruan children. To suggest any child is in danger just because they live in our country is offensive.”
When the San Andreas fault goes, we will be begging for people to repopulate the desert.
Call them the "fault" generation. Groovy...
Robert Cook said:
"As the local ecologies around the world begin collapsing--a result of overcrowding, blah blah blah"
Your premise is incorrect. Population growth is slowing globally. Peak human population is expected at 8.7 billion about 2055, a mere 37 years from now. Current population is 7.6 billion. Do you think that current technological trends will be able to accommodate food production for an additional 15% of our current population over the next 37 years? Obviously the answer is yes.
Taiwan and Japan are resource poor island nations that through innovation, freedom, and capitalism (but I repeat myself) have managed to make themselves prosperous. Is there any reason why other countries could not do the same?
"...The next decades ahead will be a clusterfuck. There won't be any winners."
Yes, there will be. The Chinese are working really hard to try and be winners by then. I think they will largely not make it. They will grow old before they grow rich. But I suppose they can be some old winners.
About half of the American population is working to make our country a winner in this. And about half of the American population is trying their best to put those people down.
I suspect that countries that manage to keep a strong culture are the ones best positioned to come out as winners in your scenario.
"Australian 'boat people,', the last I saw most were from the Middle East and South Asia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Syria being at the top"
Gee, what could be the common denominator?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpM8qk3t52A
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Blogger buwaya said...
The problem with those countries they come from is not the leadership, or rather its leadership and social system are consequences of deeper problems.
There is a lot of truth in the saying that a country (usually) gets the leadership it deserves. “
Most of those countiries are following the same economic ideas that the rising stars of the Democrat Party wants for the US. Only, when they destroy our economy, there won’t be any place for us to go.
Hmm. The Guardian (the “Grauniad”) writes a weeper about would-be illegal immigrants to Australia who get sent to Nauru. Teenager gets the sulks and stops eating. Althouse appears sympathetic. Another one bites the dust.
Crying babies at the border!
I suspect some of the detainees have a problem being around Nauruans vs being around Australians. Or perhaps not being around those communities of their compatriots in Australia.
Racism and xenophobia work in both directions, majority->minority and minority->majority.
Well, at least they have plenty of food.
By measure of mean body mass index (BMI) Nauruans are the most overweight people in the world
"Does this boat look illegal?"
Probably a bunch of men hiding in mangroves to avoid being sent to Manus.
Man..what a mess.
Althouse is very clear about the attempts by the White House and its allies To use the Mollie Tibbits murder to change the subject from Manafort and Cohen. I don’t think she made the same point about how the Dems and their allies used Crying Babies at the Bordrr to turn the IG’s report into a one day story.
Cynicism will become our national religion. I don’t care about any Crying Babues at the Border stories. This is the Grauniad’s attempt to muddy up the new Aistralian PM.
An unanswered question remains. What part of your hard earned money is their fair share?
Typos= fat fingers on iphone.
The plight of the Babues is rarely, perhaps never examined.
"Taiwan and Japan are resource poor island nations that... have managed to make themselves prosperous. Is there any reason why other countries could not do the same?"
Because other countries aren't full of Chinese and Japanese? That'd be my first guess.
OK Paul Ehrlich.
Or should I say Thanos?
cheaters can starve themselves
Shaman who claimed to have supernatural control over crocodiles is dragged under water by crocodiles.
We, here in "The New World", could stop this - if it weren't so amusing.
Speaking up for my spirit-animal -
Crocodiles are noble, magnificent creatures.
Indeed, they are sometimes worshiped. Naipaul wrote a piece on sacred crocodiles.
"The Crocodiles of Yamoussoukro" about an ancient crocodile-cult in the Cote d'Ivoire.
Its in the New Yorker archives (piece is from 1984), if you are a subscriber.
Otherwise its in his eclectic collection "The Writer and the World".
Interestingly the "shaman", or rather crocodile-keeper of the crocodile-cult of Yamoussoukro, nominally a Muslim, whom Naipaul met, was also eaten by his charges a few years ago.
What a croc!
[Robert Cook:] As the local ecologies around the world begin collapsing--a result of overcrowding, resource depletion, pollution, climate change and so on ...
That sounds like a pull quote from the Club of Rome's "Limits to Growth" published in the mid-1970s. It was very sciency, using models and computers and math and stuff.
And was, nonetheless, completely, epically wrong.
For just one example, every UN population prediction in the last 40 or so years has over-estimated actual population growth. I was in Africa a couple years ago. Our tour guide was from Zimbabwe. Aside from the predations of AIDS, which continues, he made a point of mentioning that over his lifetime -- he was in his mid-40s -- family size had gone from about 6 children to 3, and continues to drop.
If the rest of the world follows the demographic transition in the west, humanity will be extinct in about 300 years.
Are adults starving themselves to get off Nauru?
If it's so depressing, why only children doing it?
It's a tactic to get the whole family in, and the children pay the price. That doesn't say much for the family. Why not return to their original country? What WAS their country? Why won't the paper say?
Can we have some skepticism? That's what I come here for.
The tougher the enforcement of the border, the fewer people who try to get in. Then there's less suffering overall. The most humane thing to do is to keep people out consistently.
Australia doesn't have 300 million people and a history of assimilating immigrants. It would be a completely different country within a generation if it had open borders. It seems to me that the people living there now have some say in whether they want that. If you want open borders, then be honest about the consequences and justify them.
"Taiwan and Japan are resource poor island nations that... have managed to make themselves prosperous. Is there any reason why other countries could not do the same?"
One of the most important things I read when first studying economics: If natural resources were the source of human wealth, Japan and Switzerland would be poor, while Brazil and Mexico would be rich.
"Because other countries aren't full of Chinese and Japanese? That'd be my first guess."
Gunnar Myrdal: We have no poverty in Sweden.
Milton Friedman: We have no poverty among Swedes in America, either.
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