August 8, 2018

"A young woman, well known to the New York City-based chattering class, has finally let loose with what she really thinks. 'The white race is the cancer of human history,' she says..."

"'... it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself.' Has this author discovered some new tweet from Sarah Jeong, the now-notorious new hire at the New York Times? Nope. The quote above dates back to 1967. It’s from Susan Sontag, the chic literary critic. Her words were mostly in response to the Vietnam War, but as we can see, her critique extended far further. We might also add that Sontag later said she regretted her quote—because it was insensitive to cancer victims...."

So begins James Pinkerton in "Social Justice Warriors Are the Democrats’ Electoral Poison/Those who don't denounce the politics of Sarah Jeong will crash and burn just as George McGovern did" (The American Conservative).

ADDED: From Sontag's book "Illness as Metaphor":
The cancer metaphor seems hard to resist for those who wish to register indignation....  D.H. Lawrence called masturbation “the deepest and most dangerous cancer of our civilization”; and I once wrote, in the heat of despair over America’s war on Vietnam, that “the white race is the cancer of human history.”

But how to be morally severe in the late twentieth century? How, when there is so much to be severe about; how, when we have a sense of evil but no longer the religious or philosophical language to talk intelligently about evil? Trying to comprehend “radical” or “absolute” evil, we search for adequate metaphors. But the modern disease metaphors are all cheap shots. The people who have the real disease are also hardly helped by hearing their disease’s name constantly being dropped as the epitome of evil. Only in the most limited sense is any historical event or problem like an illness. And the cancer metaphor is particularly crass. It is invariably an encouragement to simplify what is complex and an invitation to self-righteousness, if not to fanaticism.

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The Crack Emcee said...

I don't think whites are a cancer, just not very self-reflective and ahistorical - and with way too much of that left-over "Manifest Destiny" bullshit.

That some blacks think they don't have to listen to anything, either - just like white folks - comes as no surprise:

You all need to grow-the-fuck-up now.

Big Mike said...

Sounds like s great platform for Democrats to run on. All of them should sign onto it immediately.

sean said...

Actually, God punished Susan Sontag for that statement, by giving her cancer. I wonder what he will do to Sarah Jeong?

Mike Sylwester said...

The following link shows a huge collection of Sarah Jeong's tweets mocking White people.

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=36921

The New York Times recently selected Jeong to become a member of its Editorial Board.

Sebastian said...

"Social Justice Warriors Are the Democrats’ Electoral Poison/Those who don't denounce the politics of Sarah Jeong will crash and burn just as George McGovern did"

A bit of wishful thinking here. There are plenty of self-loathing whites willing to ride on the SJW bandwagon. There are even more nice and enlightened whites who can rationalize support for anti-white racism as proof of their own enlightenment, just as some rationalized a vote for the nice, smooth Obama as the more "pragmatic" choice that happened to demonstrate liberal-mindedness. Prog hegemony in the culture, the MSM, and higher ed complicates the #Resistance to the SJW transvaluation of values. Still, a McGovern-like backlash is unfolding. But it is and will be a close-run thing.

Fernandistein said...

It’s from Susan Sontag, a shallow, silly hypocrite. And also dead, I hope, but don't care enough to check.

dbp said...

Can I just point out, as an aside, that White is not a race? Caucasian is a race and it includes many quite swarthy people, including North Africans, Arabs, Persians and most Indians. It isn't just genetics either, Sanskrit and Latin share many words and grammar. I think anti-white is a stand-in for anti western civilization, but even that doesn't work: Asian nations such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore operate as rich western democracies and have hardly any Caucasians.

rhhardin said...

Evil is whatever harms absolute innocence.

Absolute innocence is never responsible for anything.

lgv said...

I'm surprised Pinkerton would write those things.

Cancer of human history? I don't mind the metaphor. It just doesn't fit. Absent white people, the evil of the world would be no different, just re-distributed between the other races.

Mike Sylwester said...

A lot of American Jews (e.g. Susan Sontag) spout anti-White hatred, because they think of themselves as "marginalized people" in a society dominated by oppressive White Gentiles. Such Jews identify themselves with the other ethnic minorities, which are mostly colored people.

The irony is that Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans.

These "marginalized" Jews are disproportionately successful in the society of oppressive White Gentiles.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Chromatic scale, wide spread literacy, germ theory of disease, scientific method, vaccines, antibiotics, universal suffrage, Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Cicero, The Iliad, electric guitar.

Mike Sylwester said...

In my above comment at 8:19, I inadvertently wrote the expression colored people.

I meant to write People of Color.

Please make the mental correction.

gspencer said...

Whites are the cause of the world's problems? And here I was listening to all these Muslims telling me/us that Islam was the solution to all the world's problems. I'm so confused.

Larry J said...

8/8/18, 8:06 AM
Blogger Sebastian said...
"Social Justice Warriors Are the Democrats’ Electoral Poison/Those who don't denounce the politics of Sarah Jeong will crash and burn just as George McGovern did"

A bit of wishful thinking here. There are plenty of self-loathing whites willing to ride on the SJW bandwagon.


I’ll bet good money that most whites aren’t inflicted with self-hatred and will vote accordingly.

Rick said...

Casual hatred of whites / men / western civilization has a long and prominent history on the left which is in part why Sarah Jeong feels comfortable expressing it and the NYT accepts it as legitimate.

Sebastian said...

"I’ll bet good money that most whites aren’t inflicted with self-hatred"

Dems don't need most. Just enough. They are close. Moving left is not as irrational as it was in the early 70s.

Of course, I hope they will crash as they did before.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

I think buwaya got it right yesterday when he pointed out the current culture wars are basically one set of white Americans attacking another set of white Americans. The privileged "elites" are interested in minorities only as weapons to be used to beat the uppity white masses into submission.

And Mike Sylwester is correct. I am startled by how many liberal Jews think of themselves as non-whites. Ironically, they are confirming the views of anti-Semites who argue that Jews are somehow a race onto themselves.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

The privileged "elites" are interested in minorities only as weapons to be used to beat the uppity white masses into submission.

Well yeah. But that's starting to bite them in the ass.

Jay Elink said...

dbp said...
"Can I just point out, as an aside, that White is not a race? Caucasian is a race and it includes many quite swarthy people, including North Africans, Arabs, Persians and most Indians. It isn't just genetics either, Sanskrit and Latin share many words and grammar. I think anti-white is a stand-in for anti western civilization, but even that doesn't work: Asian nations such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore operate as rich western democracies and have hardly any Caucasians."

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But....crack says whites are incapable of being historical, so....cut it out, will you?

Tina Trent said...

Susan Sontag was a boring hag. She wanted to write like Joan Didion and Norman Mailer but lacked the intellectual insight of the former and the adjectival chops of the latter. So she ended up with the morality of a Mailer and the preciousness of a Didion.

Not attractive, as I'm sure her mother thought.

Shouting Thomas said...

But how to be morally severe in the late twentieth century? How, when there is so much to be severe about; how, when we have a sense of evil but no longer the religious or philosophical language to talk intelligently about evil? Trying to comprehend “radical” or “absolute” evil, we search for adequate metaphors.

The answer might be to dump Marxism and return to "religious or philosophical language." It's still there.

madAsHell said...

There seems to be a writing style from which you can extract any meaning you want. Sort of like Obama.

Dave Begley said...

“Illness as Metaphor” is a valuable and great book. But, otherwise. She’s a loon.

The Crack Emcee said...

Jay Elink said...

"crack says whites are incapable of being historical"

Did not. (Jesus, such reading skills!):

I said they're "ahistorical" - NOT "incapable".

Next you'll be accusing me of calling you "Deplorables"....

Shouting Thomas said...

You might want to read Iceberg Slim's Pimp: The Story of My Life to understand the rhetorical games Crack is playing with you.

It's a great book, too. Something that has disappeared from popular literature (I think), the great male sexual adventure tale. Slim is similar in many ways to Henry Miller.

Temujin said...

The line from Susan Sontag to Sarah Jeong is short and straight intersecting most of what passes for the intellectual Left over the past 40 years. It's not a shock. But it is also not very intellectual- though it does make a lot of them feel very good about themselves, and gives them certain license to look down on just about everybody else. it'll keep working until people just look at them and laugh. They are ridiculous.

Quaestor said...

When did Sontag ever need an invitation?

Jay Elink said...

Crack: I said they're "ahistorical" - NOT "incapable".
******************************************************

Definition of ahistorical
: not concerned with or related to history, historical development, or tradition an ahistorical attitude; also : historically inaccurate or ignorant... an ahistorical version of events

IOW you offer a distinction without a difference, sir.

Tina Trent said...

Similar to Henry Miller? Do you mean that old copies of the book have that damp indefinable funk and you learn too much about the author's feelings of powerlessness in regard to his mother?

Only if it's available on Kindle.

Freder Frederson said...

These "marginalized" Jews are disproportionately successful in the society of oppressive White Gentiles.

Yeah, that's right! Rich Jews run the world and have never been oppressed. I read it in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

To bitch about Susan Sontag and Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets) is rich for a bunch of people who lionize Rush Limbaugh and think Alex Jones is being treated unfairly.

Why don't you clean your own house instead of worrying about mine.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

" Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets"

She wrote many, many tweets and the overwhelming majority of them were not replies to anybody. She's loud and proud about her hatred and bigotry.

The Crack Emcee said...

Jay Elink said...
Crack: I said they're "ahistorical" - NOT "incapable".
******************************************************

Definition of ahistorical
: not concerned with or related to history, historical development, or tradition an ahistorical attitude; also : historically inaccurate or ignorant... an ahistorical version of events


I don't see a word in there saying you can't change, either individually or as a group.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

:And also dead, I hope, but don't care enough to check"

I'm happy to report that this worthless racist cunt has been worm food since December 28th, 2004. Ironically, of Leukemia. Good riddance.

Rick said...

(who was replying to really nasty tweets)

This is a lie. The far left will excuse any offense in service of their narrative even if they have to invent the reason. Media control has convinced them they don't need to be factually correct they just need to advance a plausible, if theoretical, rationale and the media will never subject it to scrutiny.

Caligula said...

"There are plenty of self-loathing whites willing to ride on the SJW bandwagon."

Perhaps. Or perhaps there are many who will do so publicly, but then vote their conscience in the privacy of the voting booth.

As for evil, well, now that assertions that anything represents truth can only be mocked, it becomes difficult to find language with which to condemn even evil on the scale of a Pol Pot. (At least, this seems to have presented some difficulty to the censors who screen Facebook advertising.)

Is murdering a fellow-worker with a circular saw an evil act? Or, if some races or ethnicities are "a cancer" then perhaps whether this act was actually evil might depend on the race and ethnicity of the murdered and the murderer (for surely no one objects when cancers are killed by any means necessary, such as the traditional methods of cut, burn, poison?).


https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2018/08/08/roofer-accused-killing-co-worker-circular-saw-wisconsin/932878002/

Char Char Binks said...

(((Sontag)))

Richard Fagin said...

Call this bit of human behavior what you will; it's as old as humankind and may be understood as a desire for retribution. There are too many examples to list, but some notorious ones are Japanese treatment of conquered people and POWs in World War II, expropriation of white owned property in Zimbabwe and now South Africa. When people who are in fact or perceive themselves as oppressed take power from their oppressors, the desire for retribution often leads to barbarism by the same people or at least the desire for barbarism. The question is whether the oppressors can adjust the rights of the oppressed to include throttling the oppressed when they start actually engaging in barbarism. Are we prepared as a society to stamp out cop murders by Black Lives Matter? Are we prepared to throw genital mutilators in prison? Are we prepared to bring down the full force of the law on false rape accusers? If we don't deal with these issues now, we risk much worse when the oppressed figure out they won't be called to account.

Freder Frederson said...

This is a lie. The far left will excuse any offense in service of their narrative even if they have to invent the reason. Media control has convinced them they don't need to be factually correct they just need to advance a plausible, if theoretical, rationale and the media will never subject it to scrutiny.

Actually, this is more indicative of the right. You elected a president who cannot distinguish between fact and fiction.

Quaestor said...


I don't think whites are a cancer, just not very self-reflective and ahistorical - and with way too much of that left-over "Manifest Destiny" bullshit.

Ahistorical, eh? From my travels, I've gleaned the exact opposite. The Irish, the whitest of white people have awareness of historical perspective out the asshole. They're fucking drowning in it.

Sebastian said...

"She wrote many, many tweets and the overwhelming majority of them were not replies to anybody. She's loud and proud about her hatred and bigotry."

Correct. Going back years.

Check out Mike Sylwester's link upthread.

The notion that she was "just reacting" is fake-news BS.

The fact that progs feel a slight need to defend her in those terms suggests that, for the moment, they still care to gesture toward white "moderates" and sense that color-blind anti-racism still has some force in the culture.

But of course, no prog actually criticizes her for her actual views, and the NYT stands by her.

Mike Sylwester said...

Freder Frederson at 9:07 AM
To bitch about ... Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets)

I suggest that you peruse Jeong's many, many, many tweets mocking White people.

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=36921

Mike Sylwester said...

Freder Frederson at 9:07 AM
Yeah, that's right! Rich Jews run the world and have never been oppressed. I read it in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I suggest that your respond to what I wrote instead of creating a straw man.

tim maguire said...

"Democrats--electing Republicans since 1967."

buwaya said...

White people exploded out of Europe in the 16th century and conquered everything they could get their hands on for the next 400 years, which amounted to most of the world.

This was an awesome achievement. The fallout of all this is still ongoing.

One of my ancestors conquered what are now five Philippine provinces, another led the assault (leading a Filipino regiment) on the citadel of Saigon in 1859, founding the French colony of Indochina. All this quite late in the European colonial period. From my point of view this was glorious.

Colonies proved uneconomical however. The economic illogic of it (and nothing else) put an end to all the fun.

Conquer, or be conquered. Vae victis.

Freder Frederson said...

I suggest that your respond to what I wrote instead of creating a straw man.

I thought I did. But I will drop the sarcasm so you can understand my point.

To claim that because Jews are financially better off than average means they are not (or apparently never were) oppressed is staggeringly stupid. They also tended to be better off in Germany and Eastern Europe prior to the rise of the Nazis. That didn't help them much.

Marty Keller said...

Frederson said, You elected a president who cannot distinguish between fact and fiction.

How dare you, sir! I did not vote for Obama.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"To claim that because Jews are financially better off than average means they are not (or apparently never were) oppressed is staggeringly stupid."

What is "staggeringly stupid" is your insistence that that is what Mike Sylwester said.

Jews are not being oppressed in 2018 America.

Roy Jacobsen said...

Freder Frederson said:
...Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets)...

As has already been pointed out (and not rebutted by you) this is false.

...a bunch of people who...think Alex Jones is being treated unfairly.

I'm not sure who here thinks Jones is being treated unfairly. But his treatment is clearly not in keeping with the principle of free speech. He's someone I pay literally no attention to. But I object strenuously to deplatforming him on the grounds that, as far as I'm aware, nothing he has said has broken any laws.

Sebastian said...

"How dare you, sir! I did not vote for Obama."

The guy, after all, who fictionalized his autobiography.

But Trump, Trump!

RichardJohnson said...

Freder Frederson:
Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets)

Please document your claim.

Seeing Red said...

"'... it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations


They can give up antibiotics at any time and let Mother Nature eradicate them.

Seeing Red said...

And immunizations.

buwaya said...

The difference between a conqueror and his victim is a state of mind.
As Napoleon put it, the moral is to the material as three is to one. Or much more.

This is how Afonso de Albuquerque took Malacca in 1511, outnumbered 20:1 and facing 2000 cannon.

Many people, such as Jeong, want to keep you down, suppressing the "moral" portion of your inherent power.

Seeing Red said...

Trains, AC, refrigeration...

Freder Frederson said...

Please document your claim.

Here you go. But I don't know why I bother. You will dismiss it out of hand because it is Vox.

But I object strenuously to deplatforming him on the grounds that, as far as I'm aware, nothing he has said has broken any laws.

But apparently this standard does not apply to Sarah Jeong.

Rick said...

Actually, this is more indicative of the right. You elected a president who cannot distinguish between fact and fiction.

Even if we accept that this is true of Trump the conclusion is false. The left invented an entire social philosophy based on the premise that objective truth isn't relevant, is racist, and is less important than the left's beliefs (even when obviously false).

So even based on Freder's own criteria his assertion is wrong. Ultimately this is because he doesn't care about anything he pretends to be outraged over. This is simply a tool that in this moment is useful to attack a non-leftist.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Vox has now called for deplatforming dangerous extremist Candace Owens. This is going precisely the way those of us who dislike Jones but opposed censoring him expected it would go. Crack thinks that some impartial person or persons should decide who is "lying" and who is not and silence the liars. But impartial persons will not make that decision. The Left will. The Left cannot defend its' own positions and so seeks to silence the opposition.

Michael K said...

Field Marshall Freder is outdoing himself this morning in cluelessness.

Leave him alone.

He needs some time to wake up.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"But apparently this standard does not apply to Sarah Jeong."

I don't want Jeong to be censored or even fired. I'm glad she's out there as a representative of just what you people are.

Unknown said...

I'm sooo fucking tired of all the assholes attacking White people and Western Civilization. White people have produced a world of marvels, with less hunger and poverty than ever before in human history. I'll stake our record against the rest of the world in a heartbeat.

Unknown said...

Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets)

Bullshit.

Robert Cook said...

"IOW you offer a distinction without a difference, sir."

To the contrary; the distinction has a clear difference.

Unknown said...

Actually, this is more indicative of the right. You elected a president who cannot distinguish between fact and fiction.

You're the one who repeated a lie on this thread.

Jeff said...

I think anti-white is a stand-in for anti western civilization, but even that doesn't work: Asian nations such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore operate as rich western democracies and have hardly any Caucasians.
But many of the SJW don't much care for Asians, either. They don't seem to mind discrimination against Asians in college admissions today, nor did they seem all that upset a few years back when Al Sharpton went after a Korean grocer.
Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric has driven many Asians into the arms of the Democratic party, but this may be only temporary, as the Asian values of hard work, STEM education and high achievement don't really fit in the Democrat's coalition of the aggrieved. And even some black men are tiring of the SJWs incessant whining about things that don't matter.

Seeing Red said...

What did the Romans ever do for us?

gahrie said...

But apparently this standard does not apply to Sarah Jeong.

Apparently the standard applied to Jeong doesn't apply to Kevin Williamson or the tech writer the NYT fired earlier this year.

Rick said...

Freder Frederson said...
Please document your claim.

Here you go. But I don't know why I bother. You will dismiss it out of hand because it is Vox.


Revealingly this Vox article provides no factual support for the Jeong / NYT assertion her tweets were in response to others. Vox simply reasserts the Jeong / NYT defense while Freder simply repeats this process. In fact 90% of the article is about Quinn and Gunn hoping the reader transfers the facts presented in their support trigger general acceptance of the article without ever dealing in the facts of the Jeong case.

Everyone on the left from the NYT to Vox to Freder is simply repeating the assertion because they accept all left-supporting assertions without question, skepticism, or validation.

Infinite Monkeys said...

Seeing Red said...
What did the Romans ever do for us?

8/8/18, 9:59 AM


Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I just do NOT get this white guilt for things that happened in the past, over which you personally have had no control.

Now, if "I" do something awful, I should feel guilty. But to feel as if I am responsible for actions of unknown and unrelated people who existed in a different time and a different culture a hundred or hundreds of years ago.....is just crazy.

Comanche Voter said...

As it was in the beginning, it is now and ever shall be. That's a good start to describing certain conditions in the world. We will never run out of simpletons with fixed--but erroneous--ideas about how to solve things.

Just as there is (and always will be) real Evil in the world [a condition which most conservatives acknowledge and wrestle with in their world view) real stupidity is also always present.

Rick said...

I don't want Jeong to be censored or even fired. I'm glad she's out there as a representative of just what you people are.

Exactly. Jeong discredits the NYT, Vox, and left wing blog commenters.

It also means the next twittermob supported by this group will discredit them even more. People will point out the comments are made sarcastically or simply don't mean what the mob asserts while in response the usual suspects will invent whatever justification they need. Since this will convince no one but themselves their credibility will drop even lower.

Rinse, repeat.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

gahrie said...

But apparently this standard does not apply to Sarah Jeong.

Apparently the standard applied to Jeong doesn't apply to Kevin Williamson or the tech writer the NYT fired earlier this year."

A handful of MLB players, who are not exactly considered the thought leaders of the nation, were raked over the coals for idiotic racist tweets they sent out during their high school years. Susan Jeong's tweets, sent out when she was (supposedly) an adult with far more formal education than 17 year old Josh Hader, display no more intelligence or maturity than Hader's puerile jokes. His job is to stand on the mound and throw 98 mph fastballs. Hers is to shape the content of a paper long held up as the gold standard of American journalism.

Nonapod said...

I certainly hope the left collectively continues down this self destructive path in a very public way so that more and more voters see them for what they really are. Over time it becomes more and more difficult to hide their disdain for much of America. Their mask slips.

I'm sure they'll continue to mouth all the usual platitudes about being fair minded, being open to debate and open exchanges of ideas. But all the while they'll push for the silencing of dissenting ideas, both surreptitiously and openly. They'll lie to your face unabashedly. And if/when they're caught in a lie, they'll try to rewrite the narrative, reframe history, move the goalposts, they'll question clear facts, they will deny what's obvious. If that doesn't work they'll counterattack, they'll create strawmen, they'll attept to elevate fringe people and arguments to mainstream in order to tar their entire opposition with the same brush. They'll try to muddy the waters. Anything in order to win.

It's who they are.

But hopefully more and more people will begin to see the truth.

Crazy Jane said...


A racist is a racist is a racist. No excuse-making can paper over the fact.

Susan Sontag was brilliant, but she was not brilliant every day. Her perceived racism was white guilt, but nothing she said or did ameliorated the brutal facts of life for people of color in this country in her day. The real anti-racists were reaching out to other people, hiring them and sharing meals with them and encouraging their children. They're still doing so today.

The article's canvass of history is flawed and weak. What we have now are political discussions fueled by emotion and hysteria. That is why they lead nowhere. We reap what we have sown.

I don't read the New York Times as much as I used to do. Its business model is to preach to its choir, which it does very well, but which has diminished its credibility as a journalistic endeavor. It can't serve two masters, and it has made its choice.

Bill said...

Much of Susan Sontag's appeal was about the alliteration of her name. If her mother hadn't married Captain Nathan Sontag, she probably would have remained the far less resonant Susan Rosenblatt.

JPS said...

Dust Bunny Queen,

"I just do NOT get this white guilt for things that happened in the past, over which you personally have had no control."

Can I try to offer an explanation? (I usually agree with you, on a lot.) This is as close as I come to defending that idea.

I love this country in large part for the ideals set forth in our founding, and for the long, erratic, often painful, still incomplete process of trying to live up to them. As a sober critic put it, if I'm going to look at the good this country has done and say We did this, I don't then get to look at the bad this country has done (including betraying those ideals pretty profoundly in the case of blacks and American Indians) and say They did that; that wasn't me.

This doesn't work for race, for me anyway, because there is no accomplishment that I view as a white accomplishment and that I attach to by virtue of also being white.) Still, given that whites have not been persecuted in this country for being white, and that's part of our history, don't I have to own that too?

The question of the most just way forward is of course a complicated one. The easy way out, socially speaking, is for me to denounce myself, and do whatever the Left tells me by way of trying to set it right.

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William said...

Sontag presents an inverted form of white supremacy. Of all God's creatures, white men are clearly superior to all others in barbarity, cruelty, and sheer premeditated evil. The others aren't even close. The Mongols, the Brahmins, the Zulu, the Aztecs may have had their bad days and their little idiosyncrasies that caused their subjects some trifling moments of annoyance, but for truly evil behavior, you have to look to the white men. White men are the only people on earth smart enough, capable enough, and inventive enough to create real evil.

DanTheMan said...

Blogger DanTheMan said...
>>But I object strenuously to deplatforming him on the grounds that, as far as I'm aware, nothing he has said has broken any laws.

>But apparently this standard does not apply to Sarah Jeong.

Freder,

This is disingenuous on your part. No one is trying to deplatform Sarah. The objection is to her elevation to one of the largest platforms in the world.

That's not the same at all, and I think you know that.

The Crack Emcee said...

BTW - BRAWNDO HAS WHAT A BODY NEEDS

This message brought to you by blacks who think saluting the flag is a fucking joke if fraud is all free speech is now for.

gahrie said...

Still, given that whites have not been persecuted in this country for being white,

Not through lack of trying. And note the only person it is legal, and often mandated, to discriminate against today is a straight White male.

William said...

I'm fairly old. Prior to Sarah Jeong, I can't recall ever hearing a hostile remark directed at a young Asian woman because she was a young Asian woman. White people just aren't prejudiced against young Asian women. I suppose, though, if she keeps plugging away at it the will be able to gin some up.

buwaya said...

Unless you are going to argue with instruments and mathematics, all speech is lies.
And you have to be very careful with the instruments and mathematics. Even there its hard to "bend over backwards" sufficiently, to question your own findings, as Feynman requires.

The point of Free Speech is to permit speech, that is, persuasion.
One cannot avoid lies when one tries to persuade. If nothing else, one cannot present ALL the relevant facts, a whole, valid world view, a context, a perspective. One selects facts that suit, and ignores others that don't. Thats a great way to lie, the most common and clever way.

Free Speech is going to be lies. Nothing but, even if everything is "true".
Listen to everyones lies, and from them, if you can, determine a useful truth.

The Crack Emcee said...

gahrie said...

"And note the only person it is legal, and often mandated, to discriminate against today is a straight White male."

Hurts, don't it? I'm not kidding, being familiar with unfair persecution for the color of one's skin. I remember being turned away from a party in the L.A. Valley because I was black - they literally said "No blacks" - and my best white friend, walking me to the bus stop and not even waiting for the bus to come before returning. Imagine a lifetime of such slights. Getting socks every Christmas. Nobody visits you because of where you live.

You're lucky your time's been so short.

William said...

In Zimbabwe, the most notable victims of Mugabe's predations were not the white farmers but members of the Ndebele tribe. Mugabe killed tens of thousands of them. During the seventies, the Igbos effort to achieve independence was met with ruthless suppression and hundreds of thousands were starved and killed. Several hundred thousand people in Rwanda were killed by their neighbors. Their murders were up close and personal. Many were hacked to death with garden instruments by people they knew.......The interesting thing about all these deaths is that they occurred without any significant protest, so far as I can remember, by any black activist in this country.

The Crack Emcee said...

That was one of my cop buddies, BTW.

buwaya said...

Michelle Malkin wrote a book ("Unhinged", 2005) detailing the things said about her as a "young Asian woman" in US politics.

William said...

@Crack: I'm sure you've taken a few lumps, but there are sadder stories in the annals of mankind.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

JPS Said:


I love this country in large part for the ideals set forth in our founding, and for the long, erratic, often painful, still incomplete process of trying to live up to them. As a sober critic put it, if I'm going to look at the good this country has done and say We did this, I don't then get to look at the bad this country has done (including betraying those ideals pretty profoundly in the case of blacks and American Indians) and say They did that; that wasn't me.

This doesn't work for race, for me anyway, because there is no accomplishment that I view as a white accomplishment and that I attach to by virtue of also being white.) Still, given that whites have not been persecuted in this country for being white, and that's part of our history, don't I have to own that too?


Thank you for your thoughtful response.

I agree with you in that we have to look at both the good and the bad that people (all people) have done in the past. We have to recognize and acknowledge history and hope that by learning from it we don't repeat it.

Agreed that there is not a "white" accomplishment other than being a participant in the culture and society where you have been born and the building upon the accomplishments of previous people in that society. We stand on the shoulders of generations before us.

I can feel both pride and shame about the past.....NOT personal guilt because I am not guilty.

However, I disagree that we need to "own" the actions of the past to the extent that we feel personally responsible or feel guilty that we haven't been persecuted as "white" people. ** (see below) If we know about the past and do nothing to prevent those actions in the present or in the future...then....I suppose we own that failure and own that guilt. But....we will be long gone and dead, just like the old white guys in the past before we know what the future brings.

However, I bear no personal guilt or personal responsibility for the past or any guilt about my Irish/Welsh/Scottish white....genetic inheritance. I'm not about to wear a hair shirt and flail myself on the back for the "sin" of being white in a dominant white culture.

All we can do is try to change the present.

** White people have been persecuted. Not for being white, but for being the wrong ethnicity... Irish (for example) or adhering to the wrong religion...Quaker or Mormon. Persecution knows no bounds.

buwaya said...

Worse than Biafra, or even Rwanda, was the fallout of Rwanda, the collapse of what was then Zimbabwe.

Or the still ongoing chronic wars in South Sudan. Or Sierra Leone, or Liberia, or Somalia, or Eritrea, or ...

The truth is that there have been dozens of African civil wars since 1945. The body count is in the multi-millions. And they aren't over.

buwaya said...

Not Zimbabwe, sorry, Zaire.
No matter the troubles, Ndebele and agricultural collapse notwithstanding, Zimbabwe has gotten off easy (so far), by African standards.

Its not usual to see it that way, but there are levels of misery.

William said...

When D.H. Lawrence called masturbation the deepest and most dangerous cancer of our civilization, I think his words were probably directed against himself. He probably couldn't get any real writing done because he jerked off too much. In any event, I think masturbation was more a problem for D.H. Lawrence than it was for civilization. Something like this must have been going on with Susan Sontag. She probably had a low, intuitive grasp of what an evil bitch she was and projected that realization onto white people.

buwaya said...

A great movie, on civil wars and Africa - "Beasts of No Nation", Fukunaga

Roy Jacobsen said...

I said:
But I object strenuously to deplatforming him on the grounds that, as far as I'm aware, nothing he has said has broken any laws.

To which Freder deflected:

ut apparently this standard does not apply to Sarah Jeong.

On the contrary, I believe that exactly the same standard applies to Jeong: I do not wish her to be deplatformed.

And I'm glad that the New York Times has decided to drop all pretense and admit that they think that some forms of racism are OK.

buwaya said...

Its not usual to think of it that way, but that sort of anarchy and misery is close to the surface, nearby.

The Mexican Revolution has a romantic air to it, especially in Mexico. But the truth was grim. It was a Zaire-Congo level demographic disaster that went on for a decade. My father-in-law was a refugee of a late stage of it, the Cristero war in Jalisco.

There are heroes and music and trains, and armies that marched strategically about, capturing capitals. But the reality was tides and waves of anarchy, killing, massacre, starvation. And the whole business was finally resolved through assassinations of the warlords.

I recommend a novel, to get the feel of it, "Los de Abajo", Mariano Azuela, 1915, usually translated as "The Underogs". Mariano Azuela wrote it at the time, and he was an eyewitness. You could make a "Beasts of no Nation" out of that.

Fernandistein said...

President-Mom-Jeans said...
Ironically, of Leukemia


Too many white blood cells gentrifying the neighborhood, eh? I bet she caught it from white people.

TestTube said...

Crack Emcee:

You got socks for Christmas? Like, plural? Like, TWO socks?

I only got one sock for Christmas. If I was lucky, I got the other sock for my birthday.

I had a Summer birthday.

Howard said...

This is a typical Althouse post designed to make her readers feel comfortable to express their deep pain of anti-white oppression that they suffer through every day. Oh, the humanity

RichardJohnson said...

Freder Frederson:Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets)

RichardJohnson: Please document your claim.

Freder Frederson:Here you go (Vox). But I don't know why I bother. You will dismiss it out of hand because it is Vox.



I have looked at the Vox article. As far as I can tell, here are the only pieces of evidence that there have been nasty, racist tweets directed at her: On Thursday morning, Jeong issued a statement. As a female journalist on the internet as well as a woman of color, she is no stranger to harassment — as she herself noted before explaining that in the tweets being circulated as proof of her supposed “racism,” she had been engaging “in what I thought of at the time as counter-trolling.”

pic.twitter.com/4GfD2nGxwD
— sarah jeong (@sarahjeong) August 2, 2018


I have not seen any evidence in the Vox article that any of Jeong's nasty, racist tweets were made in specific response to a nasty, racist tweets.

For example, consider this tweet history: Sarah Jeong tweets
Nicole chung 26 Jul 2016: women of color are going to be the reason Donald Trump won't be president
sarah Jeong 26 Jul 2016: god I hope so.
Nicole chung 26 Jul 2016: he had a slight lead among white women last I checked. though it was smaller than Romney's over Obama w/ white women.
sarah Jeong 26 Jul 2016: I mean, I hope he gets defeated. ( and fuck white women lol)


In this series of tweets, there are no racist tweets- nor any misogynistic tweets- directed at Jeong. Yet Jeong comes out with a gratuitous, racist, misogynistic tweet. Freder's claim that Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets) is here without any evidence whatsoever.

Rory said...

It's more accurate to say, "It is [modern civilization] and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates [traditional] civilizations wherever it spreads...." The first civilizations to be overrun by the modern world were white, for instance Ireland, and they were mostly overrun because people in the traditional wanted to make some money and see their kids survive to adulthood.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I remember being turned away from a party in the L.A. Valley because I was black - they literally said "No blacks"

I remember being at a party and a black guy knocked on the door looking for help because his car was broke down. He assumed that the people in the apartment would be black because we were a playing a Bob Marley album. Boy, did he look taken aback. You know what we did? We helped him out. You know where that was? Georgia. Maybe you should move out of that racist shithole you live in.

AllenS said...

If Muhammad had discovered this country, the same thing (if not worse) would have taken place with the Natives that lived here. As far as that race from Africa, they still would have been brought to this country, and their descendants would still be slaves to this day.

tim in vermont said...

This is a typical Althouse post designed to make her readers feel comfortable to express their deep pain of anti-white oppression that they suffer through every day. Oh, the humanity

Typical Howard post designed to paint the Althouse blog as racist by throwing shit against the wall.

Roughcoat said...

Which translation of "The Underdogs" do you prefer?

You are of course familiar with the Anita Brenner's great "The Wind That Swept Mexico."

Also:

Maneuver and Battle in the Mexican Revolution, Vols 1-3

Howard said...

The blog isn't racist, just about 75% of the trumpist commentators

Howard said...

Althouse trolling you disgusting cucks

The Crack Emcee said...

William said...

@Crack: I'm sure you've taken a few lumps, but there are sadder stories in the annals of mankind.

I got a million of 'em - that's the point.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ron Winkleheimer said...

"Maybe you should move out of that racist shithole you live in."

Man, you guys can't read: I was a kid. How exactly was I supposed to pull that off?

Comments like that are why whites come off so shitty.

The Crack Emcee said...

AllenS said...
If Muhammad had discovered this country, the same thing (if not worse) would have taken place with the Natives that lived here. As far as that race from Africa, they still would have been brought to this country, and their descendants would still be slaves to this day.

That's all you guys can focus on - Africa. Takes all the heat off America, though Africa didn't claim to be like America.

Bullshit tactics anyone can see through.

Shameful.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

The narrative we've been fed all our lives is that the GOP is the "Daddy Party" - and Daddy's a mean bastard who doesn't care about your feelz. He just wants to be left alone so he can make more money - and don't think he's going to use it to buy you a pony, either.

The Democrats are the "Mommy Party." They'll kiss your boo-boo and make it all better. They'll protect you and care for you. They won't let you die on a sewer grate, unlike Daddy, who will step over you and tell you you shoulda gotten a job.

"Vote for us! We're the nice ones! The kind ones! The compassionate ones!"

Well, except the Mommy Party has gone psycho, like Kathleen Turner in "Serial Mom." Her favorite kids are out there now throwing black women out of restaurants, calling for white people to be "cancelled," rioting when conservative speakers show up at campuses, shooting up baseball fields, calling a Jew a Nazi. And Mommy not only smiles indulgently but applauds and eggs her favorites on. For a party whose core message is "we care and therefore we should run things" it's not a good look. Mommy doesn't look like sweet June Cleaver any more, but like Mommie Dearest, who is going to beat you but good with those wire hangers until you shape up.

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buwaya said...

Hi Roughcoat

In English I have an old one, a 1970s paperback. I will have to dig it out of a box.
Its probably the original English edition by Minguia. Which is free on Amazon Kindle btw.

Inga said...

“This is a typical Althouse post designed to make her readers feel comfortable to express their deep pain of anti-white oppression that they suffer through every day. Oh, the humanity.”

Sure seems that way. It makes me want to weep for white males. Will white males be able to cope with societal changes that are inevitable? Only time will tell.

Inga said...

“The blog isn't racist, just about 75% of the trumpist commentators.”

Where’s Langford Peel? This blogpost is a perfect platform for him to express his “love” for black and brown children.

The Crack Emcee said...

No one ever asks me what I like about whites.

You miss a lot that way.

Fernandistein said...

and fuck white women

I done that!

PhilD said...

The thing is that I admire the USA for having waged the Vietnam War. Perhaps not at the way is was waged not how it ended but because the USA was one, if not the only Western state do commit itself to unpopular but necessary cause. And it still is.
An upside down nazi (or nazi-like anyway) may have been 'in despair' over the Vietnam War but she certainly never was in despair in say the victims of Maoism (*) or over the nature of the North-Vietnamese regime and its doings.



(*) Though I remember her as the only 'progressive intellectual' who loathed the Pol Pot regime during its existence.

Jim at said...

Sarah Jeong (who was replying to really nasty tweets) - Freder

No. She wasn't.

There were a few cases in which she was responding, but 99 percent of it was racist shit. All by herself.

Stop lying.

tcrosse said...

When they say those harsh things about White People, they couldn't possibly apply to me. They must mean all those other nasty racists who aren't as Woke as I am.

Angle-Dyne, Angelic Buzzard said...

JPS: I love this country in large part for the ideals set forth in our founding, and for the long, erratic, often painful, still incomplete process of trying to live up to them. As a sober critic put it, if I'm going to look at the good this country has done and say We did this, I don't then get to look at the bad this country has done (including betraying those ideals pretty profoundly in the case of blacks and American Indians) and say They did that; that wasn't me.

But who does that? Who do you know who is a real life manifestation of this progressive straw man, who celebrates a cartoon version of himself and denies the ugly realities of the past? Never met 'im.

That whites are "in denial" about the history of this country is a progressive myth. What is the prog "proof" that this denial exists? That whites continue to honor and celebrate their ancestors, and that they disagree with progressives about how the injustices of the past should be dealt with - that's their "proof". Think reparations are a stupid idea, or that affirmative action programs took a wrong turn along the way? Think Jefferson was a great man and don't think the Jefferson Memorial should be re-purposed as a woke museum devoted to excoriating "white privilege"? Well, obviously you're disavowing the bad things about your history! Obviously you don't understand that slavery is an evil!

This is bullshit. Really stupid bullshit. Why are you buying into it when you claim to know that history is "complicated"? Did the Europeans cheat and mistreat the Indians? Yes. Was the European conquest of America a story of dynamism and heroism on the part of the conquerers, in which their descendants can justly take pride and celebrate? Yes.

The progs want whites to flagellate themselves for the former and memory-hole the latter. More absurd still, they want that only for whites. Non-whites may celebrate their conquerors and progs will not only tolerate their memory-holing of non-whites' misdeeds, but will positively encourage, nay insist on it.

This whole prog way of viewing the past is fundamentally absurd: it is not necessary for the rectification of injustice, and it is based on a conception of history and human nature that is false from top to bottom.

This doesn't work for race, for me anyway, because there is no accomplishment that I view as a white accomplishment and that I attach to by virtue of also being white.) Still, given that whites have not been persecuted in this country for being white, and that's part of our history, don't I have to own that too?

Meaning, what? What do you have to "own" regarding whites (qua whites) not being persecuted in this country? This country as a political entity was founded by Europeans (whites), and was organized according to their cultural and political preferences and prejudices, to suit themselves, just the way every other human group that ever existed has organized the societies they built.

Of course whites qua whites weren't persecuted. Who goes around persecuting and marginalizing and being "non-inclusive" to their own kind (as members of their own kind) when they set up political shop? Whites are supposed to feel bad about practicing injustices toward non-whites (which they've recognized and worked to rectify, unlike certain other human races we could mention), and now they're also supposed to feel bad about not persecuting themselves?

Absurd.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

tcrosse said...

When they say those harsh things about White People, they couldn't possibly apply to me. They must mean all those other nasty racists who aren't as Woke as I am. "

I posted Inga's picture here the other day:

https://pics.me.me/how-white-people-see-themselves-when-they-post-anti-white-29095820.png

Jim at said...

Althouse trolling you disgusting cucks?

For the love of gawd, learn the damn definition of the word you're using.

NeverTrumpers are the cucks in this little political shitshow. Trump supporters are not.

Quaestor said...

Only time will tell.

If history teaches anything "inevitable societal changes" are hardly ever what those who think they know what those "inevitable societal changes" expect. History is littered with the shattered futures foreseen by Malesherbes, Danton, Robespierre, Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Himmler, Pol Pot, Castro, Hugo Chavez, Hillary Clinton.

Just about the only visionary to foresee not in a glass and darkly was Geroge Orwell. Big Brother was born just a few days ago in Cupertino. Over in Mountain View, they've made a strong start excavating the Memory Hole. Inga will a natural for the red sash, don't you think?

Inga said...

Ironic how people here expect Crack to take responsibility for the wrongs that black people do, while refusing to take responsibility for the wrongs that white people do/have done.

It sounds almost like...hypocrisy and worse.

Quaestor said...

Ironic how people here expect Crack to take responsibility for the wrongs that black people do, while refusing to take responsibility for the wrongs that white people do/have done.

Cite an example, please?

Ron Winkleheimer said...

@Inga

Bullshit. I don't expect anyone to take responsibility for anything they did not personally do. You're the one pushing Identity Politics.

Howard said...

Blogger tcrosse said...

When they say those harsh things about White People, they couldn't possibly apply to me. They must mean all those other nasty racists who aren't as Woke as I am.


Not it at all. I assume the comments are directed to me and mine. The difference is that it's like water rolling off a (Howard the) ducks back. The whites that get hairball about it are just weak sisters who can't hack it, eg cucks.

Anthony said...

There are no races, only clades.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Man, you guys can't read: I was a kid. How exactly was I supposed to pull that off?


You had cop buddies when you were a kid? Who took you to house parties?

Drago said...

Inga: "Ironic how people here expect Crack to take responsibility for the wrongs that black people do, while refusing to take responsibility for the wrongs that white people do/have done."

Consistently backwards.

As expected.

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RK said...

"it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads"

The is a damning with faint praise to all of the other races.

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Howard said...

Blogger Inga said...
Sure seems that way. It makes me want to weep for white males. Will white males be able to cope with societal changes that are inevitable? Only time will tell.


The snowflakes who post here are a minority. No one real gives a shit. Too busy living the life to get pissed over nothing. Blogs and MSM exaggerate the extremes for clicks. Be sure to exite thru the Altazon Porthole if you wish to continue supporting a virtual tuskeegee syphilis experiment using trumpers as lab rats

Rick said...

Inga said...
Ironic how people here expect Crack to take responsibility for the wrongs that black people do,


Inga proves yet again her comments have no relationship to reality.

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Howard said...

Moon: I hope cucks like you stay off Highway 17

Howard said...

LA, as was in the 60's and 70's was a racist shithole. LAPD Metro cops had a license to kill blacks

Inga said...

“Be sure to exite thru the Altazon Porthole if you wish to continue supporting a virtual tuskeegee syphilis experiment using trumpers as lab rats.”

How exiting! I do shop on Amazon way too much, but I’d rather see the funds go to the sweet homesteader religious conservative family of 10 I follow on YouTube who also has an Amazon portal.

Inga said...

“How exiting! I do shop on Amazon way too much, but I’d rather see the funds go to the sweet homesteader religious conservative family of 10 I follow on YouTube who also has an Amazon portal.”

That family is white, BTW.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I have no doubt Crack has endured racism, I just don't see why I should be held accountable for it. Because I'm white? Well then, were in Identity Politics land. That's not where I want to be. I'm a "content of their character" kind of guy by nature. But, I've got a bad food and shelter habit. And I kinda get resentful when I'm told I have no call to be proud of what my ancestors did, but are responsible for all the evil they perpetuated. And I have a really hard time believing that someone who attended Stanford and Harvard and is on the NYT Editorial Board when she is less than 30 years old has less privilege than I do. The guy who grew up poor and joined the Army to help finance his college tuition to a state school.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Excellent post, Angle-Dyne, but I'll quibble a bit about this:

"Who goes around persecuting and marginalizing and being "non-inclusive" to their own kind (as members of their own kind) when they set up political shop?"

That misses the history of inter-white racism, which was quite popular until the Nazis discredited it. Scholar Jacques Barzun's first book, published in the 1930's, was an attack on the idea that the French constituted a separate race. Many English thought of the Irish as an inferior race; people here felt the same way about Slavic and Southern Italian immigrants.

I bring it up not to heap coals on the heads of WASPs, but to challenge the common idea that "whites" are somehow this homogeneous bloc of oppressors who have always lorded it over everyone else. One thing I hate about the "Whitey bad, non-white good" narrative is how it flattens and simplifies history. White tribes have marginalized other white tribes, just as Asians have done with other Asians and Africans have done with other Africans. It's human nature, not white human nature. This country is great because, despite the sorry history of slavery and discrimination, it holds out the promise that humans can transcend their own ethnic and racial backgrounds to become Americans before they are anything else. The left says "No, that's impossible. You are only a member of your tribe, nothing more."

Inga said...

“Bullshit. I don't expect anyone to take responsibility for anything they did not personally do. You're the one pushing Identity Politics.”

Tell that to the many commenters here who grilled Crack for the last two days on the wrongs that black people do/ have done, expecting him to take responsibility for them. Identity Politics were in full view by rightist commenters here.

Howard said...

Can't we all get along?

Rick said...

I hope cucks like you

It's interesting the proggies like to pretend they're interested in debate but reveal their only purpose is name calling. This seems an implicit admission they have no ideas to advance and therefore making these disruptions is the best contribution they can make to their political philosophy. In this at least they are right.

RichardJohnson said...

buwaya
The Mexican Revolution has a romantic air to it, especially in Mexico. But the truth was grim. It was a Zaire-Congo level demographic disaster that went on for a decade. My father-in-law was a refugee of a late stage of it, the Cristero war in Jalisco.

A neighbor's grandparents fled the Mexican Revolution. Consensus appears to be that 10% of Mexico's population was killed during the Mexican Revolution, so "Zaire-Congo level demographic disaster" is quite accurate. Noam Chomsky wrote a book about Latin America, which purports to inform us about all the bad things that Latin America has suffered since 1492: "Year 501: The Conquest Continues. Nowhere in the book does Chomsky mention that 10% of Mexico's population being killed during the Mexican Revolution.

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President-Mom-Jeans said...

"Ironic how people here expect Crack to take responsibility for the wrongs that black people do, while refusing to take responsibility for the wrongs that white people do/have done. "

Why don't you start, you fat old white cunt? I assume you have a bottle of bleach under the sink? Chug it down like your cheap box wine,to repend for the sins of your honky ancestors.

RichardJohnson said...

Howard:
@12:35 PM The blog isn't racist, just about 75% of the trumpist commentators
12:36 PM Althouse trolling you disgusting cucks

@ 1:59 p.m. Can't we all get along?


Your insults are indubitable proof that YOU have no interest whatsoever in getting along with others.
Ciao.

Roughcoat said...

buwaya:

I can't remember which translation I read, it was so long ago. But your comment made me curious so I went to Amazon and found several more recent translations. Among them the Pellon translation seems most promising; in his preface, Pellon says he was inspired in his approach by Cormac McCarthy's mixing of Spanish and English in his Border Trilogy novels. As a devotee of and one-time correspondent with McCarthy, I find that quite compelling.

Note that "The Wind That Swept Mexico" is now available for Kindle. I just purchased it.

Also check out Johnson's "Heroic Mexico" and T.R. Fehrenbach's "Fire and Blood."

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Rick said...

To the many commenters here who grilled Crack last night, ...Bullshit. I don't expect anyone to take responsibility for anything they did not personally do.

Grilling him is different that expecting him to take responsibility. I didn't see any evidence of the latter although I skipped most of the thread (Ritmo / Inga combos are particularly worthless). I did see people noting that those who believe in group guilt would have to accept that blacks share guilt for many things. This is an effort to convince someone that group guilt is illegitimate rather than trying to assign responsibility but of course Inga can't understand anything which might get in the way of an attack on someone she hates.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ron Winkleheimer said...

"You had cop buddies when you were a kid?"

Yeah. Then, they were kids who were still to become cops.


"Who took you to house parties?"

No,, we went to them together but only he was allowed in - and he still went.

Trying to flatter the white guy will NOT win you any points here.

Vance said...

Look, we all know that Howard and Inga would love nothing more than to bring back Auschwitz, this time for white people that aren't leftists. Funny thing about genocide and leftist terror: it always turns on its creators, though. Ask Robespierre.

buwaya said...

Hi Roughcoat,

I have Fehrenbach, I'm pretty sure.
Most of the Mexico stuff I have is from @20+ years ago, in boxes.

The Crack Emcee said...

FullMoon said...

"You were a kid in a racist shithole?"

I said it was the LA Valley. Think of the Brady Bunch house.

"I thought you were raised by multiple foster families.in -south central."

I was. That you find a contradiction there shows a paranoid and accusatory mind. Not healthy.

"Is that a racist shithole?"

It's filled with Mexicans now, so I wouldn't know.

"How many families anyway?"

They blur. Plus there were families you're close to, families you're not, then campground style facilities, dormitory style, etc.

"Was it black or white foster parent whipped you with the cord at three years old?"

It was my father. My real father. I'd lost the TV Guide.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Crack, you in no way communicated that you were a kid when this happened. But hey, keep digging that hole.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

You know, by saying something like "when I was a kid" or "before I reached adulthood" or "when I was a teenager."

Quaestor said...

Ironic how people here expect Crack to take responsibility for the wrongs that black people do, while refusing to take responsibility for the wrongs that white people do/have done.

What's not ironic is Inga's unfailing habit of spewing unsupported bullshit and then pretending no one notices the piles of diseased manure she leaves in her wake.

buwaya said...

I keep saying -

Your war, or war to be, is one between white castes.

Anyone not white (unless you mean the Chinese government) is simply in the background, an auxiliary, or a rhetorical mcguffin. No other organized group has trillions in assets or the numbers or the position to matter. This is a war between Wall Street (in its modernized version) and Main Street, and both are white.

Even in California the powers that be are white, no matter who they let into the legislature. Same in New York.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ron Winkleheimer said...

"I have no doubt Crack has endured racism, I just don't see why I should be held accountable for it. Because I'm white?"

No, because you're an American, just as your parents were for the Japanese we interned and their ancestors for the Natives that were killed. Quit being a pussy. The money ain't going nowhere.

"Well then, were in Identity Politics land."

Good Lord, whites invented race in this country. Quit acting like you're an innocent entering a new world. It's the one you stuck me with - hence, reparations.

"That's not where I want to be."

Join the club.

"I'm a "content of their character" kind of guy by nature."

In other words, you have never listened to more than one sentence of Martin Luther King in your entire lifetime. That's pathetic to base my life on.

"But, I've got a bad food and shelter habit."

Thank God reparations will come out of the Treasury and leave your preciously empty pockets alone.

"And I kinda get resentful when I'm told I have no call to be proud of what my ancestors did, but are responsible for all the evil they perpetuated."

No one has said that - it's a straw man you're beating blacks with - read our history of slavery and you'll find lots to be proud of, especially if you see it as I do. It's an incredible story whites run from because of their insecurities - not because they come off badly. I finished it more connected to the country than ever, and disappointed I was alone with this knowledge.

"And I have a really hard time believing that someone who attended Stanford and Harvard and is on the NYT Editorial Board when she is less than 30 years old has less privilege than I do."

So do I. She's kinda crazy.

"The guy who grew up poor and joined the Army to help finance his college tuition to a state school."

At least you didn't do it trying not to get killed, like I did.

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exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Not entirely OT: Just wondering, how many of those weeping over pictures of children in cages or denoucing ICE as racist terrorists give one good goddamn over stories like this?

"U.S. officials have arrested an illegal alien for multiple counts of rape after he tried to gain entry to the United States with a child he claimed was his daughter, a DHS official said in a Tuesday statement.

A DHS official noted that the illegal alien, Ramon Pedro, arrived with a young girl he claimed was his daughter at the Ysleta Port of Entry in Texas in mid-April.

After Pedro and his claimed daughter was hospitalized for tuberculosis testing in July, U.S. authorities discovered she was not only not related to him in any way but was being systematically sexually abused by him.

"In fact, the victim’s mother told her daughter to accompany Pedro to the United States and he would secure her employment," a DHS official said, adding that "on July 27, 2018, the Huron Police Department arrested him for multiple felony offenses for rape, oral copulation, forcible sexual penetration and endangering/causing injury to a child. He is currently detained in Fresno County Jail on a $310,000 bond."

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Can't we all get along?

I doubt it.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ron Winkleheimer said...

"You know, by saying something like "when I was a kid" or "before I reached adulthood" or "when I was a teenager.""

I did say "I remember" but - you're right - that wasn't clear:

I was a kid.

Scott M said...

You all need to grow-the-fuck-up now.

Granted, I'm not around nearly as much as I used to be, but when did this happen?

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Ron Winkleheimer said...

No, because you're an American, just as your parents were for the Japanese we interned and their ancestors for the Natives that were killed. Quit being a pussy. The money ain't going nowhere.

OK, let me see if I understand this statement. I'm not accountable for what my ancestors did because I'm white, something I had no say in, but because I'm an American, something I also did not have any say in.

Oh, and leftist have tried to convince white people to stop thinking of themselves as a cohesive ethnic group for about two generations now, they had in fact pretty much given it up, and now you want to revive it?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Quit acting like you're an innocent entering a new world. It's the one you stuck me with - hence, reparations.

Bull to the ultimate shit. I, personally, haven't stuck you or anyone with anything. I owe nothing. And, I especially owe nothing for the actions of dead people over a hundred years ago.


Thank God reparations will come out of the Treasury and leave your preciously empty pockets alone.


Crack seems to have this bizarre idea that the money in the US Treasury is grown on trees in some magical garden and harvested by glittering elves.

The money in the Treasury is from collection of taxes and selling debt: bonds that have to be repaid with MORE taxes. The Government takes our money right out of our pockets. The money that isn't spent for the common good is money that is taken away from the taxpayers. Reparations is blackmail for things that happened hundreds of years ago.

On the other hand IF we did allow 'reparations' can we get a promise that those who are demanding money will SHUT THE FUCK UP from now on? If so. Hell, Yeah. Reparations.

Scott M said...

What did the Romans ever do for us?

They bled us dry, the bastards...

Ron Winkleheimer said...

To rephrase to make my meaning clear, over the course of two generations or more white people had been educated to stop thinking about themselves as a cohesive ethnic group, and now for some unfathomable reason leftists want to reverse that.

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exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Full Moon said:
Ya know, comparing your comments to Inga,and looking at your'bio' for the life of me, cannot understand why you let her bait you with the stupid 'young choices' thing.
Inga is a moron when she is serious and unoriginal when she is not. She been identified a such for years, literally.

8/8/18, 2:53 PM

Well, thanks. To be fair, I lobbed the first grenades in that thread and Inga responded - well, exactly like you would expect Inga to respond. She certainly is unoriginal, which is probably why I have such a strong reaction to her - she's exactly like dozens of other comfortably off liberal white women I have known who have never had a thought that would be unapproved by the NY Times editorial board. I think years of listening to them have left me with a very low tolerance for reading the same shit online. And, as you know, it's not terribly difficult to refute her. But yeah, it can and does degenerate quickly and does the blog no good.

Angle-Dyne, Angelic Buzzard said...

exiled: That misses the history of inter-white racism...

No, I wasn't missing it, that's why I specified "whites qua whites".

DBQ had already covered the obvious fact that whites have been "racist" against whites of different ethnic groups, and it wasn't really relevant to my point.

Also, I also don't have any more patience with white groups pissing and moaning about how they were oppressed by Thurston Howell than I do with the reparations clowns. (The WASPS didn't like my people. So what? Why did they have to like them or associate with them? Looked at from the long, disinterested historical view of peoples and cultures, the nativists had a point about how people like my ancestors altered the natives' culture to the natives' disadvantage.)

It's a diversion from what's going on in the here and now and shows a lack of understanding. An Irish- or Italian- or whatever-American of the white persuasion presenting oppression credentials is just victim-larping, and is willfully missing the point about the virulent anti-white propaganda abroad in the land.

The Crack Emcee said...

Before I start answering people, I just wanted to put this set by the late, great Patrice O'Neal here, because, while he was a FOX News favorite, he was, still - like me and most blacks - nothing like you guys describe us.







exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Ron Winkleheimer said
"Oh, and leftist have tried to convince white people to stop thinking of themselves as a cohesive ethnic group for about two generations now, they had in fact pretty much given it up, and now you want to revive it?"

Remember that being an "ethnic" white was cool for a while in the '70's? That was around the time "The Godfather" came out. I remember the popularity of "Kiss Me, I'm Irish" (or Italian, or Greek, or Polish) buttons. One of the most improbable things about "All in the Family" is that it featured a blue collar Queens guy who was a WASP. They didn't want to put Archie's words in the mouths of any of those swell "ethnics."

Being Southern was also cool for about 5 minutes after Carter's election. Then came the 1980 election and all those cool salt of the earth Polish and Italian and Irish and redneck working class people went and let everyone by voting for Reagan. They all became racist whites after that.

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FullMoon said...

"You were Navy guy, right? After Viet era?"

Iranian hostage crisis. It's wild to watch that unfold over the years.

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FullMoon said...

"Miles Davis was your father, correct?"

No, Charles Mingus was my step-father. You've never heard of my father, but he, too, was brilliant.

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The Crack Emcee said...

Ron Winkleheimer said...

"OK, let me see if I understand this statement. I'm not accountable for what my ancestors did because I'm white, something I had no say in, but because I'm an American, something I also did not have any say in."

But we all have responsibility for. We really need to reinstate civics in this country.

"Oh, and leftist have tried to convince white people to stop thinking of themselves as a cohesive ethnic group for about two generations now, they had in fact pretty much given it up, and now you want to revive it?"

No. What part of "it's not because you're white" didn't you internalize yet - and why?

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FullMoon said...

"You were Navy guy, right? After Viet era?"

Iranian hostage crisis. It's wild to watch that unfold over the years.

8/8/18, 3:36 PM


So, 1980? 38 years ago. You about twenty then, so 58 now?
Hope you make it big soon so I can say I knew you when.
Course, anybody ask for intro, gonna have to say we are 'estranged' since you got famous.

The Crack Emcee said...

Dust Bunny Queen said...

"I, personally, haven't stuck you or anyone with anything."

No one said you did - personally.

"I owe nothing."

And no one will be at your door to get it, even if reparations are paid. Quit sounding stupid.

"And, I especially owe nothing for the actions of dead people over a hundred years ago."

That's why the government will pay and you can take your hostility and dark imaginings and go screw yourself while it happens.

Thank God reparations will come out of the Treasury and leave your preciously empty pockets alone.

"Crack seems to have this bizarre idea that the money in the US Treasury is grown on trees in some magical garden and harvested by glittering elves."

What you think "seems" to be happening isn't factual and can be ignored - so I will.

"The money in the Treasury is from collection of taxes and selling debt: bonds that have to be repaid with MORE taxes. The Government takes our money right out of our pockets. The money that isn't spent for the common good is money that is taken away from the taxpayers. Reparations is blackmail for things that happened hundreds of years ago."

And then there's the question of justice for U.S. Citizens tortured and abused for over 400 years, even after the country passed laws and told lies that whites would stop harassing us. You forget about that. Probably because ethics are NOT your strong suit, or in your heart. White women have ALWAYS been some of the most evil in this regard. Determined to get that last lick in. Always demanding more pain. And always always not responsible. Innocent little lambs.

"On the other hand IF we did allow 'reparations' can we get a promise that those who are demanding money will SHUT THE FUCK UP from now on? If so. Hell, Yeah. Reparations."

Whites always have a demand. They just can't let it go. You in charge, Miss Queenie, you SHO 'NUFF in charge!

Ron Winkleheimer said...

It doesn't really matter if its "not because your white." Leftist are using Identity Politics against whites. Strategically that's a bad move in the long run.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ron Winkleheimer said...

"To rephrase to make my meaning clear, over the course of two generations or more white people had been educated to stop thinking about themselves as a cohesive ethnic group, and now for some unfathomable reason leftists want to reverse that."

I'm not a Leftist and have connection to what they do. I've already said I think they manipulate blacks. Part of the reason why is white hostility on the Right makes it near impossible for blacks to join them. I mean, here I am with you, and look at you: My black friends don't want no part of this bullshit. Y'all sound crazy. You don't know rightfrom wrong. You abandon responsibility for the country as soon as it owes us money - which you don't want to pay - while demanding g we kneel for the flag.

You're a fucking terror.

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FullMoon said...

"I know your granpa and his brother worked for pretty boy Floyd 'cause you said so.Shortly after you said you had no family to tell you history. Lucky foy you to have recovered your abusive daddy today.Now you got fam."

Wait - you are seriously thinking you're going to interpret my ENTIRE LIFE through a few questions ON THE INTERNET?

My God, Man, you ARE insane.

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Inga said...

“My God, Man, you ARE insane.”

Precisely. He and a few others here. Out and out lunatics.

The Crack Emcee said...

FullMoon said...

"Well, if mom married mingus, her name and prior marriage prob on 'wiki so your dad there also.
Ever connect up?"

I hate to say this because, until I realized you were crazy, this was kinda fun. But, if you're seriously trying to trip me up - ON MY FAMILY HISTORY - by asking me questions online and then making assumptions to fill in the blanks to where you think (for some reason) I might be lying, well, that's not fun anymore, but just sad and pathetic and weird. Too weird for me.

Get help, FullMoon. Get help. I'm not responding to you again.

FullMoon said...

Wait - you are seriously thinking you're going to interpret my ENTIRE LIFE through a few questions ON THE INTERNET?My God, Man, you ARE insane.

What does my mental illness have to do with anything? I acknowledge and embrace my functional insanity. I work, pay taxes, don't hurt anyone, anymore. They all say I am OK. Every six months. No 5150, lately.
I am curious by nature, that's all. You already put your life out there. Just filling in the blanks for fun.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ron Winkleheimer said...

"Leftist are using Identity Politics against whites. Strategically that's a bad move in the long run."

Of course it is, which is why you tripping on it is silly.

FullMoon said...

The Crack Emcee said...

FullMoon said...

"Well, if mom married mingus, her name and prior marriage prob on 'wiki so your dad there also.
Ever connect up?"

I hate to say this because, until I realized you were crazy, this was kinda fun. But, if you're seriously trying to trip me up - ON MY FAMILY HISTORY - by asking me questions online and then making assumptions to fill in the blanks to where you think (for some reason) I might be lying, well, that's not fun anymore, but just sad and pathetic and weird. Too weird for me.

Get help, FullMoon. Get help. I'm not responding to you again.

8/8/18, 4:07 PM


WTF? What did I do? Am only repeating things you have said and wanting to fill in the blanks because you have had an interesting life and are almost famous. Now you all calling me names and making outlandish paranoid assumptions and accusations.
Not healthy..
Marcus Foster. Russell Little, Zodiac.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"Before I start answering people, I just wanted to put this set by the late, great Patrice O'Neal here,"

That guy was pretty damn funny.

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