Althouse: "When they gas the young ones, they literally cry out and squawk for their parents. The adult geese are slaughtered."

June 17, 2018

"When they gas the young ones, they literally cry out and squawk for their parents. The adult geese are slaughtered."

"It’s horrific. When they call it a goose roundup it doesn’t sound so bad. But what they are doing is cruel and unnecessary.... I get it. People who use the parks don’t want goose poop everywhere. But I don’t think those people are saying, ‘Hey. Let’s kill the geese.' We can deal with the problems geese create this year and then take more preventive steps next year to ensure no geese have to be killed. My organization is willing to help out. I’m confident lots of other people will, too. I just want to do the right thing."

Said Mary Telfer, executive director of Alliance for Animals, quoted in "Madison moving forward with annual geese kill/Goslings found in city parks are gassed; adults are slaughtered" (Isthmus).

99 comments:

cubanbob said...: I didn't see in the article an alternative proposal that doesn't kill the geese. Is there one? Can the geese be relocated somewhere where their presence isn't a nuisance?; 6/17/18, 2:49 PM
MikeR said...: Delicious.; 6/17/18, 2:50 PM
Mark said...: Can the geese be relocated somewhere where . . .

. . . other predators can kill them?; 6/17/18, 2:51 PM
rhhardin said...: Separated from their parents.; 6/17/18, 2:52 PM
rhhardin said...: Letting dogs run loose takes care of the geese and has other benefits too. Like the dogs become socialized to human strangers and other dogs.; 6/17/18, 2:53 PM
tim maguire said...: As an example of what Ms. Telfer is talking about:

Eric Knepp, superintendent of the city parks division, estimates that close to 200 geese will be euthanized this summer.

No, they won't. They will be killed. The tendency towards dishonesty, even here, is telling.; 6/17/18, 2:53 PM
Twelve said...: I had to kill a rabbit recently. I didn't like doing it. I visualized an animal rights activist in place of the rabbit and got through it ok.; 6/17/18, 2:55 PM
Big Mike said...: I get it. People who use the parks don’t want goose poop everywhere.

Damn right!

But I don’t think those people are saying, ‘Hey. Let’s kill the geese,’

I suspect that they are.

The only nonlethal alternative I've ever seen is to turn loose some border collies to chase the geese off, and do it daily until the geese decide to go elsewhere on their own. But some goslings will be left behind and have to be euthanized anyway (if the collies don't kill them first).; 6/17/18, 2:55 PM
rcocean said...: Its a Goose Holocaust.

Never Again!; 6/17/18, 2:55 PM
rcocean said...: Its so terrible about the Geese.

He said;

while eating a chicken sandwich.; 6/17/18, 2:56 PM
Tommy Duncan said...: In the fall 45 years ago I watched the Wisconsin DNR chase a huge flock of geese off Green Lake. I asked why they were doing it. The reply was that Green Lake has famously clear water. The geese poop about half a pound each day. A flock of 10,000 put 5,000 pounds of poop a day in the lake.; 6/17/18, 2:57 PM
tcrosse said...: Ask the City of Milwaukee about Gertie the Duck; 6/17/18, 2:58 PM
rcocean said...: If you'd just shot a couple geese at the beginning. wouldn't the rest have flown away?

Now instead of 10 Dead Geese, we'll have 200.; 6/17/18, 2:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Hypocritical environmentalists. Leave the Geese alone. Be happy there are so many of them. Spend some money on restoring some of the marshland that has been filled around the lake for things like baseball fields.; 6/17/18, 3:00 PM
Cleve said...: PETA and their ilk seem to believe that animals not killed by humans live a full, productive, fulfilling life and in their old age go to animal hospice where they die peacefully as as choir sings "Kum Bah Yah".

No, sorry; they die of disease, starvation, or thirst, or are violently killed by predators. No pleasant alternatives.; 6/17/18, 3:01 PM
Narayanan said...: Have they talked to local chefs about adding to the menu after archery event?; 6/17/18, 3:03 PM
rcocean said...: What is this?

"Kill the Animals Day" at Althouse?; 6/17/18, 3:03 PM
David Begley said...: No, it is not horrific. Geese are not human. Real life is not like Disney.

These people are loons.; 6/17/18, 3:03 PM
Tommy Duncan said...: I should add that I have helped my daughter and her husband clean up the yard of their lake home after geese had taken up residence while they were away. Mike Rowe could have filmed a "Dirty Jobs" episode.; 6/17/18, 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Since Ann didn't watch Sunday TV I recommend you all watch the video of Chris Wallace interviewing Trey Gowdy today LINK.; 6/17/18, 3:05 PM
Sebastian said...: So?

Anyway, if they don't like gas, let's use the geese guillotine.; 6/17/18, 3:05 PM
Roger Sweeny said...: Most every animal in nature has many more offspring than can survive and reproduce. A litter of six for five years means 30 offspring for a pair of wolves. A steady population means 28 of them fall by the wayside There will always be many, many animals who will be "euthanized" naturally--by starvation, disease, cold, predators.

Human parks and lawns mess with nature and cause population explosions of geese. Killing the excess is making things more natural. What does the Alliance for Animals have against nature?

Seriously, the idea that every creature born--or hatched--should survive is a very human one that nature flouts all the time.; 6/17/18, 3:07 PM
rcocean said...: Has anyone had Canadian Goose?

I assume its not very good, since I never hear about anyone eating them.; 6/17/18, 3:08 PM
MadisonMan said...: Let's talk about killing the squirrels that are eating the unripe cherries on my tree.

Would love to "euthanize" both squirrels and chipmunks.; 6/17/18, 3:10 PM
Anonymous said...: The best way to eat Canada Goose is filet the breasts , marinate them in soy sauce. olive oil and a clove of garlic, then grill them as you would a steak making sure to keep them rare. Absolutely delicious.; 6/17/18, 3:10 PM
Seeing Red said...: If you want to get rid of the geese stop protecting them. Change the stats or federal law. I think the federal law to protect them was written 50 years ago. Good intentions, but things change.; 6/17/18, 3:12 PM
Trumpit said...: Wear a hat to prevent being hit by goose poop. It will make the hat industry (in China?) great again. We're not talking about ugly ducklings, were talking about Mother Goose. I would make the park a goose sanctuary. It's the geese's park, and you are just a visitor. Can we please coexist with our furry and feathered friends? Thou Shall Not Kill is a Commandment not a suggestion. Furthermore, do not kill the goose that laid the golden eggs. We forget that piece of wisdom at our own peril.; 6/17/18, 3:13 PM
exhelodrvr1 said...: So what?; 6/17/18, 3:13 PM
Seeing Red said...: The state or federal law; 6/17/18, 3:14 PM
WK said...: First they came for the geese and I did not speak our because I was not a goose. Then they came for the loons.....; 6/17/18, 3:15 PM
Seeing Red said...: It's the geese's park,

Not if they’re Canadian. Are they legal?; 6/17/18, 3:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Canada Geese have been successful in reproducing since both parents raise the Goslings and they are extremely aggressive defending them. A goose's wing span is around 5 feet and they weigh 15 lbs or so. Scare the hell out of you if they attack.

Gosling survival in one WI study was about 67% which in the world of waterfowl is high. Duckling survival rates are thought to be about 25-30%.; 6/17/18, 3:18 PM
Wince said...: Blogger Khesanh 0802 said...
The best way to eat Canada Goose is filet the breasts , marinate them in soy sauce. olive oil and a clove of garlic, then grill them as you would a steak making sure to keep them rare. Absolutely delicious.

"I thought it was a family secret?"; 6/17/18, 3:21 PM
wildswan said...: The only solution she proposed was to hire a person to go around shoveling up the bird poop. The poop shoveller idea has possibilities. We could make it a community service assignment for Federal white collar crime - shovelling up bird shit and carrying it about till he/she/it/they finds a place to put it. Rewriting and changing the applicable EPA/State/County/Town/Park regulations, if necessary. And one day, Hillary, Jimmy the Weasel and all the old gang show up and...; 6/17/18, 3:23 PM
NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...: cubanbob said...
I didn't see in the article an alternative proposal that doesn't kill the geese. Is there one? Can the geese be relocated somewhere where their presence isn't a nuisance?

Yes, there is. Basically get rid of any bodies of water on your property and the geese will leave. Of course, that could get a whole other group of enviro-whackos worked up and maybe start an enviro-whacko civil war. So, not killing off the geese and making some popcorn sounds like more the way to go.; 6/17/18, 3:24 PM
pacwest said...: Lake Hood in Anchorage Alaska, the busiest float plane lake in the world, has a island in the middle of it that the geese nested on. Geese and planes are a bad mix of course, so they put some pigs on the island. Pig ate the eggs, geese didn't nest there anymore. Problem solved.

Not sure of other places, but in Anchorage the geese are thick on the golf courses, and there's goose poop all over the fairways. Sculled a 3 iron on #7 tee once. One less goose.; 6/17/18, 3:26 PM
Molly said...: This is pretty awful.

There must be more humane approaches.; 6/17/18, 3:30 PM
Molly said...: (eaglebeak)

Oops, that Molly comment was a MollyEaglebeak comment.

And now, seeing my second name, you see why I am so concerned.; 6/17/18, 3:31 PM
Diogenes of Sinope said...: Slaughter them, eat them.; 6/17/18, 3:31 PM
madAsHell said...: Then they came for the loons.....

....and then they came for the two-onies.

Canucks!!; 6/17/18, 3:33 PM
Bill, Republic of Texas said...: In an apartment I lived in many years ago we had a goose invasion. The apartment people but a fake decoy in the lake. It was an alligator. His head above water with red eyes. No more geese.; 6/17/18, 3:35 PM
ceowens said...: I'm sure I have posted this before but in New York, in September you can shoot 15 Canada Geese a day.

As an aside, henceforth, whenever Trumpit posts, I will shoot a squirrel in her name.; 6/17/18, 3:39 PM
Narayanan said...: Stop letting Canadian immigration officials from coming here and telling them not to come north.; 6/17/18, 3:48 PM
Original Mike said...: I was on New Zealand’s South Island a couple of months ago. Was surprised to see a flock of Canadian Geese pooping up a storm by a small, remote pond. I guess they are introduced. Pretty much everything in NZ is.; 6/17/18, 3:54 PM
Original Mike said...: Blogger MadisonMan said...”Let's talk about killing the squirrels that are eating the unripe cherries on my tree. Would love to "euthanize" both squirrels and chipmunks.”

The chipmunks have been particularly destructive at our house this year. I have been culling the herd.; 6/17/18, 3:57 PM
Tommy Duncan said...: Blogger rcocean said...

"Has anyone had Canadian Goose?"

Our family Thanksgiving always includes wild goose. It is delicious if you like dark meat.; 6/17/18, 4:02 PM
Trumpit said...: "As an aside, henceforth, whenever Trumpit posts, I will shoot a squirrel in her name."

You shoot defenseless little animals because you know that if you came after me, your goose would be cooked.; 6/17/18, 4:05 PM
Meade said...: Canada Goose. Canada Thistle. Canada Dry. We should’ve built a wall years ago. 8 ft deep X 8 miles high coast to coast.; 6/17/18, 4:08 PM
Roughcoat said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 6/17/18, 4:12 PM
Roughcoat said...: I recognize the need to cull animals when their populations grow too large for their habitats. But I don't like it. I don't have to like it. I wonder about a world where culling is necessary. I wonder about a world where "nature red in tooth and claw" is the normal order of things; where the circles of life are savagely wrought via the predator-prey dichotomy. I wonder about a god who created such a world. I'm Catholic, I'm allowed to have doubts.; 6/17/18, 4:16 PM
Freeman Hunt said...: I am definitely saying "Let's kill the geese."

It used to irritate me to no end to see a particular fat, obnoxious goose barking around at a local pond where there'd often be people fishing for their dinners. "Why doesn't anyone eat that fat, horrible goose?!" Maybe someone finally did. Haven't seen him in a while.; 6/17/18, 4:17 PM
ceowens said...: Trumpit, that's one.; 6/17/18, 4:19 PM
Original Mike said...: ”I wonder about a god who created such a world.”

There is a simple explanation...; 6/17/18, 4:20 PM
Roughcoat said...: There is a simple explanation.

No, there isn't. It isn't at all simple.; 6/17/18, 4:24 PM
n.n said...: One in five (or close) children go to bed hungry.

Don't gas. Scalp to keep them edible.; 6/17/18, 4:27 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Khesanh 0802 said...
The best way to eat Canada Goose is filet the breasts , marinate them in soy sauce. olive oil and a clove of garlic, then grill them as you would a steak making sure to keep them rare. Absolutely delicious.

6/17/18, 3:10 PM

Are you speaking from your own personal experience? My understanding is that the flesh of Canada geese is rank, presumably because of their diet. The goose that one gets at the market is not a wild Canada goose.

I wonder about a world where culling is necessary.

Culling is totally unnecessary. The geese will absolutely die one way or another. In whatever misery of predation, disease or hunger, plus their possible negative effects on other wildlife. But at least our hands will be clean, I suppose.; 6/17/18, 4:44 PM
Bruce Hayden said...: Well, the goose couples are now showing up with their families of micro-geese. Soon to be mini-geese, or goose Pate, depending on how well they dodge traffic on the highway. The little ones are hard to see on the road, but inevitably, they have their parents looking out for them. So, if you see a pair of geese in the middle of the highway, figure that they are shepherding their flock across, because normally they just fly off, and rarely play chicken with the cars and trucks, like some other species. Somehow, they don’t seem as bad in NW MT, as when I lived in W NV, or by Fort Collins, in CO. Wonder if it is mabe because we have so many species of predators around. Even saw a fox by the House last week. But also have coyotes, and all the bigger ones (except that brown bear, wolves, and mtn lions don’t usually come in that close). The attrition of the young geese seems quite a bit higher than the average mentioned in the article.; 6/17/18, 4:44 PM
Original Mike said...: ”But at least our hands will be clean, I suppose.”

Not if we attempt to picnic at the park.; 6/17/18, 4:58 PM
Rusty said...: Blogger rcocean said...
What is this?

"Kill the Animals Day" at Althouse?"

Not all of em. Just the tasty ones.

rcocean said...
"Has anyone had Canadian Goose?

I assume its not very good, since I never hear about anyone eating them."

Yes. They're very tasty. My friend makes a delightful breakfast sausage from their tasty flesh.
And it's Canada Goose. Not Canadian. Canada is the proper name.

If you want to get rid of resident geese extend the season and the bag limits. In a couple of years the numbers will be manageable.
The Illinois DNR instituted a special 5 day 5 CANADA geese per day in September its done a lot to thin the local numbers.; 6/17/18, 5:05 PM
The Godfather said...: Our ancestors, the first humans to come to the Americas, killed off the mammoths, the horses, the ground sloths, and most of the rest of the megafauna, in a few generations. We have blood on our hands, brothers and sisters. A few hundred geese are nothing!; 6/17/18, 5:09 PM
Trumpit said...: "I am definitely saying 'Let's kill the geese.'"

You have no sense or sensibility. This adaptation of Jane Austen's book is for children between 3 & 6, and for insensitive clods like you.

https://www.amazon.com/Jane-Austens-Sense-Sensibility-Adaptation/dp/1719186146/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1529273128&sr=1-4&keywords=sense+and+sensibility+for+children; 6/17/18, 5:09 PM
rhhardin said...: Immanuel Kant proposed a distinction between human beings and animals at the opening of a longish essay on education. He said that baby animals, unlike baby humans, don't cry, because if they did, some wolf or wild animal would get them. But they do cry, of course, and quite often a wolf or even a wild animal does get them, and I do not bring this up to be disrespectful of the mighty dead, but to suggest that most of the time when a philosopher starts a discussion by distinguishing between people and animals, it is prudent to skip that part.

A philosopher's mistakes about animals are like anyone's mistakes about animals, of no real significance unless something follows from them, but when something does follow from them it is wise to watch carefully, because mistakes with things following from them can be tricky guides.

- Vivki Hearne _Animal Happiness_ "Wittgenstein's Lion" p.167; 6/17/18, 5:25 PM
Francisco D said...: It's all about phylogenetic privilege.

If geese were higher up on the scale than humans, they would find us a nuisance. That is, if they did not find us tasty.; 6/17/18, 5:37 PM
Milwaukie Guy said...: All the parks around my house have a goose problem, if problem is defined as shitting up the parks. I like to think letting bow hunters have their way once a week would do a world of good. Even though I have a small herd of chickens, I like to think the geese would leave a space where the humans are regularly killing them.

In Oregon we spend millions of dollars every year to help the salmon. I have been a volunteer for over ten years working on my local watershed to help all the flora and fauna.

There are about 100 California sea lions hanging around the Bonneville Dam and Willamette Falls. They eat a significant number of salmon waiting by the fish ladders. After trying relocation, the state has the authority to shoot them at Bonneville and are looking for federal authority to do the same at the falls.

But when they shoot them at Bonneville, they trap them and shoot them behind the barn, so to speak. The rest of them don't know that Joe hasn't gone back to Malibu. WTF?

I don't really know about geese, but I'm sure the mammals are smart enough to know when the humans are going postal on them. If not, just shoot them all. Maybe this 100 are the only ones that know about the Columbia River.; 6/17/18, 5:52 PM
Fritz said...: Clearly Madison needs to reintroduce wolves.; 6/17/18, 5:56 PM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: I'm OK with the city putting all the geese and all the raccoons into one cage - winner take all. But that's just me.; 6/17/18, 5:59 PM
Milwaukie Guy said...: Beloved ARM, Yes!

I see MPR uses the same cage I trap and drown raccoons. Damn chicken killers.; 6/17/18, 6:04 PM
rcocean said...: I wonder about a god who created such a world. I'm Catholic, I'm allowed to have doubts.

Hey, I just talked to God. He's going to try to live up to your standards.

Maybe, God'll be in touch.

For Direction.; 6/17/18, 6:17 PM
rcocean said...: I feel sorry about killing Geese.

I like them. Even when I was a kid and they tried to push me around, steal my bread, and aggressively hiss at me, to protect their young 'uns.

BTW, its easy to put them in their place. If a Gander gets too aggressive, just grab him by the throat and twirl him around a couple times.

They get the message.; 6/17/18, 6:21 PM
Freeman Hunt said...: Trumpit, are you a vegetarian? If so, I can respect that. If not, save it.

Is there a Canada goose hunting season? Could that take care of it?; 6/17/18, 6:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Pigs with wings. Kill them all.

Every city park should close for an hour in the early morning once a week so the groundskeepers can shoot every goose on the place. This can be done with perfect safety using #2 birdshot, which is harmless beyond a hundred and fifty yards or so.; 6/17/18, 6:28 PM
Michael K said...: A golf course outside Chicago used to use a border collie to chase the geese but the city ordered them to stop.

Apparently the city idiots are now PETA representatives. I liked it when the guy got the People Eating Tasty Animals web address.

It was some heavy conspiracy to get it away from him.; 6/17/18, 6:34 PM
Jaq said...: Oil the eggs. Suffocate the goslings before they hatch, but they will still sit on them, but then they will feel forlorn.; 6/17/18, 6:54 PM
Matt said...: Tear the baby geese limb from limb and then cut the heads off.

Way more humane. And then they can tell the mommy geese how brave they are.

The daddy geese can be killed however.; 6/17/18, 6:56 PM
Jaq said...: Way more humane. And then they can tell the mommy geese how brave they are.

Yeah, they should suffocate them in wombs so nobody would have to hear them cry for mommy who isn’t going to save them!; 6/17/18, 7:00 PM
Jaq said...: Never point out a liberal’s inconsistency of thinking, it just makes them huff and ask you a rhetorical question.; 6/17/18, 7:01 PM
Jaq said...: In which we test the limits of parody.; 6/17/18, 7:11 PM
Seeing Red said...: Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t one of the issues WI has with Lake Michigan water quality is too much bird poop? Not necessarily caused by goose poop....; 6/17/18, 7:14 PM
BUMBLE BEE said...: Recommendations on the cooking of goose as described above are spot on. Third generation goose hunter here. Canadas are not everyone's favorite flavor, but they are a gift from god to the nearby Ojibwa tribe. Geese foul the bodies of water they take over. They foul the parklands they take over. Goose shit can contain many harmful pathogens for the kiddies to play in after it dries. They are aggressive towards other waterfowl, often driving local ducks off. Geese return to their birthing place to birth the next generation. The only cost effective alternative to hunting is to raid the nest and shake the eggs vigorously in springtime. You'll not see the protesters of the cull out there next I'll guarandamntee that.; 6/17/18, 7:20 PM
Michael said...: Solution: border collies. Probably expensive, though.; 6/17/18, 7:30 PM
BUMBLE BEE said...: BTW, many golf courses get depredation licenses from the DNR, and tour the course with shotguns as part of their regular maintenance on their closed days. That is, the rural ones.
Bow hunting is usually a crippling kill done by poachers and delinquents round here. Nothing is more "humane" than a 12 or 10 gauge with BB shot. For the pearl clutchers, wildlife doesn't retire to Boca Raton or Hilton Head to "pass in their sleep", most time being ripped apart and eaten alive by wolves, foxes or coyotes. Humane ain't in the syllabus.; 6/17/18, 7:33 PM
BUMBLE BEE said...: Swans are often most effective in the reflecting ponds around local corporate HQs. Many swans are "wrangled" for just that purpose. Thriving business.; 6/17/18, 7:35 PM
ceowens said...: Trumpit, that's two.; 6/17/18, 8:06 PM
Trumpit said...: Milwaukie Guy, You're a bloodthirsty savage as are many of Trump's deplorables. I would lock you killers up if I could. Is a diet of bread and water considered "cruel and unusual?" If so, I'd recommend vitamin-fortified bread, but no Perrier. I would also defang you killers by taking away your weapons. The comments show that the deplorable right-wing trolls are out in full force to contaminate the blog.; 6/17/18, 8:39 PM
Birkel said...: Shotguns are the preferred method.
Kill them all.
Let Trumpit sort them out.; 6/17/18, 8:57 PM
ndspinelli said...: Alert General Hayden.; 6/17/18, 9:00 PM
Jaq said...: Trumpit is right, of course and as per usual. You guys don’t understand that killing an unborn baby is completely different than killing a baby goose because you don’t want to have to pick goose shit out of your golf cleats!; 6/17/18, 9:10 PM
Jaq said...: Sorry, culling a fetus.; 6/17/18, 9:11 PM
Original Mike said...: ”Goose shit can contain many harmful pathogens for the kiddies to play in after it dries.”

Trumpit don’t care bout no stinkin children.; 6/17/18, 9:19 PM
Anonymous said...: @Bad Lieutenant Lots of personal experience. The damn things are too big and hard to pluck and roast whole, and the legs are usually pretty tough so filleting the breasts and cooking them like a steak is a great way to go when you have any number to clean. Whoever told you Canada Geese don't taste good is the probably the same guy that doesn't know how to cook venison so he'll tell you it's no good either.

MN has instituted a special early September season in the Twin Cities and other areas of high population with a limit of 5 birds per day. I know there is also a special early and late season in Pierre, SD to cull the flock there as well.; 6/17/18, 9:20 PM
roger said...: Milwaukie Guy, You're a bloodthirsty savage as are many of Trump's deplorables. I would lock you killers up if I could. Is a diet of bread and water considered "cruel and unusual?" If so, I'd recommend vitamin-fortified bread, but no Perrier. I would also defang you killers by taking away your weapons. The comments show that the deplorable right-wing trolls are out in full force to contaminate the blog.

This is parody, right? contaminate You mean with goose crap?; 6/17/18, 9:24 PM
Anonymous said...: One other thing: Geese are big grazers they eat grasses of all kinds. That's part of why they like parks, football fields,etc.

They also eat grains and insects. In my experience snow geese can be pretty tough and unappetizing, but people in Arkansas will tell you they make great eating. With any wild game so much depends on the cooking (keep em rare!).; 6/17/18, 9:27 PM
Stan Smith said...: A work colleague of mine used to subscribe to a documentary dvd collection, one of which was about a UK environmental group that was upset about the grey squirrels invading the red squirrel habitat. Their environmentally friendly solution? Kill the grey squirrels!; 6/17/18, 9:31 PM
Original Mike said...: ”MN has instituted a special early September season in the Twin Cities and other areas of high population with a limit of 5 birds per day.”

The Cities? Really? I wish them luck.; 6/17/18, 9:35 PM
ceowens said...: Trumpit - three.; 6/17/18, 9:41 PM
Michael K said...: The comments show that the deplorable right-wing trolls are out in full force to contaminate the blog.

Says a loony left wing troll. Where the fuck did you come from ?

Did someone leave the alley door unlocked?; 6/17/18, 10:06 PM
Michael K said...: Sorry, roger. I didn't scroll up to see it was trumpit, the usual looney tune.; 6/17/18, 10:08 PM
Milwaukie Guy said...: Savage for killing geese to keep the parks clean, raccoons to protect the chickens or sea lions to protect the salmon runs?; 6/17/18, 10:41 PM
n.n said...: Several dozen assault scalpels would relieve the burden and feed hungry children.; 6/17/18, 11:28 PM