June 28, 2018

A Trump conundrum: Is Crowley "slovenly" because he got his "ass kicked" or did he get his "ass kicked" because he is "slovenly"?

The quote (via CNN) from Trump's rally last night in North Dakota is: "A slovenly man named Joe Crowley got his ass kicked by a young woman who had a lot of energy. She had a lot of energy. I guess he didn't see it. They couldn't find him."

I don't think I've ever heard the word "slovenly" used as a political insult. I tend to think of the meaning as relating to physical appearance —"Untidy, dirty; habitually careless, indolent, or negligent with regard to appearance, personal hygiene, household cleanliness, etc." (OED) — which makes it seem like a gratuitous personal insult. But it also relates to activities: "Careless, negligent, or sloppy with regard to any activity" (OED).

And in that sense, it's exactly the right word, and the answer to the conundrum is that Trump meant to say Crowley lost because he was slovenly. He didn't see that his opponent had the potential to win, and he didn't take the trouble to fight her off, and now the Democrats are left with a candidate whose strength has not been tested.

So the meaning of the word was perfect, and the sound of the word was also great — poetry, even — Crowley/slovenly. Maybe there's a word for the type of rhyme where the second syllable is identical and the first syllable is a near-rhyme. In my mind, the "ly" falls away, and I see "crow" more clearly. Crowley eats crow. "Crow" and "sloven" — the sloven crow. Sloven Crow sounds so great, I'd like there to be a restaurant with that name. Or a rock band.

"Sloven" is a great and underused word. It takes me back to a poem I memorized in childhood: And the sloven, I declare/Never once has comb’d his hair...

132 comments:

Michael K said...

Why in the world did the guy send a surrogate to debate her?

She is a nut but he was a really bad candidate and deserved to lose.

The seat is almost certainly safe but this is a bad message for other districts.

OK with me, by the way.

rhhardin said...

Feminine rhyme

tcrosse said...

Why in the world did the guy send a surrogate to debate her?

Probably the same reason Hillary sent Chelsea to campaign for her in Wisconsin.

Freder Frederson said...

and now the Democrats are left with a candidate whose strength has not been tested.

If you think that a Republican can win that district (is one even running?), then I have a bridge connecting the two boroughs she will represent to sell you.

I lived in Kansas and was amazed (and disgusted) the first time I voted there and saw that the Democrats hadn't even bothered to run someone against Pat Roberts, it was just him and a Libertarian on the ballot.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

She's young and cute and... proggy in NY. Proggy in NY sells.

ICE is a terrorist group - that crap sells on the left.

Ann Althouse said...

Crowley should have paid attention to the old aphorism "80% of success is just showing up."

Freder Frederson said...

I was in NYC last week and there was a political ad for one of the districts. The Republican ran an ad that said he was pro-choice and pro gun control. Here in Louisiana you couldn't even get a Democrat to say that in public.

Curious George said...

#Freder Frederson said...
and now the Democrats are left with a candidate whose strength has not been tested.

If you think that a Republican can win that district (is one even running?), then I have a bridge connecting the two boroughs she will represent to sell you."

And that's what's awesome. The Dems are about elect a socialist. If I was the GOP I would put her in ads.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

You had one job.

Ann Althouse said...

Remember the time Trump declined to show up for one of the GOP primary debates?

tcrosse said...

Do slovens come from Slovenia ?

Henry said...

“Eighty percent of life is showing up"

20% is slant rhyme.

Hagar said...

27,000 votes cast out of a 700,000+ population has to mean about 10% of the eligible Democrat voters showed up to vote. This being New York, Crowley can run as an Independent in November and swamp the Bernie sis. However, it is going to cost Tammany a bunch of money and be hugely embarrassing besides angering the loony left nationwide.

Henry said...

I like the way Trump introduces non-ideological qualifiers into the discourse.

She has energy. He has energy. Energy good!

Curious George said...

Trump tweeted:

"Wow! Big Trump Hater Congressman Joe Crowley, who many expected was going to take Nancy Pelosi’s place, just LOST his primary election. In other words, he’s out! That is a big one that nobody saw happening. Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!"

Hahaha

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

The Dems are about elect a socialist. If I was the GOP I would put her in ads.

When will conservatives learn that socialism sells. People love the idea of government taking care of them. And when government does a good job they are very happy. People don't like when government does a poor job.

Look at the scandi countries. They are taxed about mid 40%. But they consistently rank as very satisfied with their government and life.

Use her in ads but concentrate on the negatives. Use her horrible antisemitism quotes. Try to split the Jews from the coalition. Paint the Dems as unhinged and dangerous.

If the debate is between Medicare for All and ever man for himself, the Dems will win every time.

Henry said...

There's a kind of sprung rhythm to Slovenly man ... Crowley.

That ... is where there's no rhyme or rhythm to speak of. Trump isn't that good a natural poet.

rehajm said...

Tradition with pub signs is an illustration of the name for those too illiterate or drunk. Sloven Crow is a good one.

AllenS said...

Either or, on the "slovenly" thing.

Sebastian said...

"Remember the time Trump declined to show up for one of the GOP primary debates?"

Yeah, I think so.

Dem candidate doesn't show up: there goes the candidate. Trump doesn't show up: there goes the debate.

whitney said...

And that pretty much sums up how the Democratic party treated Trump.

gspencer said...

Crowley was an all-too-typical downstate NY liberal, holding all the bein-pensant positions (even if they go against the Scripture which he was taught as a boy). A tax&spender, the Constitution-be-damned (despite his many oaths to obey it) Democrat. Who cares he lost. The bigger and more worrying concern is the person who'll be taking the seat he once called his. Her positions are frightening. And she represents the au-courant Democrat Party.

Darrell said...

Remember the time Trump declined to show up for one of the GOP primary debates?

You mean when Fox was going to ambush him with an Islamic activist and a Mexican illegal, both chosen and promoted by the RNC? Yeah, it really hurt him to hold his own event with veterans that outdrew the clown show.

Bob Boyd said...

And the sloven's chromosome
left him with a naked dome

rehajm said...

Look at the scandi countries.

They love their monoculture. When government yells, 'FREE ICE SKATING!!!' everyone yells, 'JEE!'

Upset their monoculture though and they're just as xenophobic as the next guy.

Loren W Laurent said...

Ocasio-Cortez the Killer.

Chuck said...

Right; "slovenly."

"Slovenly" is the way that I think of much of Trump's messaging. It's undisciplined; and from the Althouse-supplied definition of "slovenly," it's "untidy; habitually careless; indolent; and negligent..."

I was thinking of that early this morning as I listened to public radio liberals whine about how Roe v. Wade was doomed with the departure of Kennedy. I don't agree with that, but even if the old case were somehow reversed, I don't agree with what most liberals think about the future of abortion availability.

(I also thought about the odd possibility that Trump himself would be linked to Shera Beshard's abortion in the NDA payoff scandal.)

Anyway, they were quoting Trump's bloviating campaign promise that he would only nominate Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. What a stupid statement, by Trump. Trump can't extract such a promise; if he did, the nominated judge would effectively disqualify himself. It was a slovenly statement by Trump. One of a thousand or so slovenly Trump statements.

I don't much doubt that Trump will nominate a great replacement for Kennedy. And that if Trump doesn't screw it up, the nominee will be confirmed, probably 51-49. But Trump's legal and intellectual slovenliness just makes it harder. Just like stating a desire to order a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. Slovenly thinking. Particularly if you have a workable goal to legally put a halt to much legal and all illegal immigration. You just don't say stuff like that. It's slovenly.


rehajm said...

You mean when Fox was going to ambush him with an Islamic activist and a Mexican illegal, both chosen and promoted by the RNC?

Looking back that all seems like such a quaint and naive period. How cute were those rubes thinking the debates weren't staged by a corrupt MSM!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Crowley has the Hillary Syndrome.

Thought he had it locked because he had been there forever. Decided he was too "good" to have to debate or even show up for what he considered a novelty candidate.

Too mired in admiring himself and didn't even give it a good try. Taking the voters for granted as if he "owned" them.

I didn't pay attention to his campaign because ...meh.....but probably didn't offer any real policy positions or give any real reason to be elected other than...it's me and I deserve it.

Hillary redux.

buwaya said...

You don't want Republican ads against her.
No matter what silliness she gets up to or how much of a ditz she is.
Bad optics.

She is simply too young and too pretty (as politicians go). And female.
Any ad against her will be an ad for her.
And it isn't a seat Republicans can hope for anyway.

tcrosse said...

Nice talk for a guy whose wife is a Slovene.

Bay Area Guy said...

Viva La Revolucion!

This 28-year old woman exemplifies the current Democrat party. She was almost born yesterday, has no depth or understanding of history or business, is totally inexperienced and clueless, and doesn't understand how clueless she is.

If her ilk ever got power, we'd become Venezuela under Hugo Chavez.

To her credit, though, she is a hot Latina!

Crowley and his ilk are a notch above, but still too weak and ineffectual. In the revolucion, moderates like Crowley usually get sent to the firing squad by the militants, but after providing some decent service and a pleasant face on the struggle.

mockturtle said...

Look at the scandi countries.

Yes, lets. The 'good of the whole' is esteemed at the expense of individual rights. Individuality is discouraged, conformity rewarded. Our country was founded on different principles and is unique in its Constitution.

mockturtle said...

Nice talk for a guy whose wife is a Slovene.

Good catch, tcrosse! ;-D

Michael K said...


Blogger Ann Althouse said...
Remember the time Trump declined to show up for one of the GOP primary debates?


Yeah but who won that election ?

Hagar has a good point. That was really low turnout, like the vote that elected deBlasio.

Can Crowley buy enough votes ?

buwaya said...

Chuck has not yet realized that political messaging is a different order of things.

An examination of Aristotle's "Rhetoric" will, perhaps, help him distinguish the various modes and tropes, including the use of poetic language.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Chuck

Being slovenly in thinking is not the same as being undisciplined.

However the problem is in your perceptions. YOU perceive Trump as being undisciplined. The reality is that Trump is operating openly in a new way that is flummoxing and confusing to the persons (you) who yearn for a way that they understand. Chuck says The old ways please and get off my lawn. Sometimes being UN-disciplined is not a bad thing.

The disciplined chaos that seems to be Trump's modus operandi is not new in this world. It is just new in the kabuki theater that we have known as politics.

The disciplined chaos that you perceive is actually working because it has the element of surprise to those whose hidebound ways of thinking aren't able to keep up.

The old adage: There is a method in the madness.

mockturtle said...

And it isn't a seat Republicans can hope for anyway.

A strong Republican Latino might have a shot.

clint said...


Slovenly Crowley -- Perhaps assonance is the word you're looking for?

@Chuck said...

"I was thinking of that early this morning as I listened to public radio liberals whine about how Roe v. Wade was doomed with the departure of Kennedy. I don't agree with that, but even if the old case were somehow reversed, I don't agree with what most liberals think about the future of abortion availability."

Agreed on both counts.

Now, gun control... I saw something on HuffPost last night about how Kennedy's "middle ground" on gun control meant Heller's rejection of overt gun bans, but no restriction on states piling on restrictions like long waiting periods.

buwaya said...

"she is a hot Latina!"

Yes, and that counts for a lot.

Michael K said...

Chuck has brief moments of clarity but is mostly whining about the old GOPe rules of behavior.

If Candy Crowley had pulled that stunt on Trump he would have dragged her by the hair across the stage.

Figuratively, of course,

mezzrow said...

Sloven Crow sounds like the name of a character in a McMurtry novel.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Look at the scandi countries. They are taxed about mid 40%. But they consistently rank as very satisfied with their government and life."

The only countries where socialism works at all are small and ethnically non-diverse, with an inbred work ethic and shared values. That described the Scandi countries in, say, 1970. Since then they have made some free market reforms. It simply will not work in the US.

Mark Steyn has noted that one big problem with welfare states is that you need the birthrate of traditional societies to make it sustainable in the long run. You also need closed borders or the system will be swamped.

Bay Area Guy said...

My Grandparents grew up in the Bronx. FDR Democrats -- Ma stayed at home, raised 5 kids, Pa worked as a janitor at Brooklyn Army base. Never owned a house or a car. But lead good long lives. (Not a lotta divorce back then).

Of course, in the early 80s, they had to move outta the Bronx, as the borough started looking like Little Beirut with all those burned out buildings.

Chuck said...

clint said...

Slovenly Crowley -- Perhaps assonance is the word you're looking for?

@Chuck said...

"I was thinking of that early this morning as I listened to public radio liberals whine about how Roe v. Wade was doomed with the departure of Kennedy. I don't agree with that, but even if the old case were somehow reversed, I don't agree with what most liberals think about the future of abortion availability."

Agreed on both counts.

Now, gun control... I saw something on HuffPost last night about how Kennedy's "middle ground" on gun control meant Heller's rejection of overt gun bans, but no restriction on states piling on restrictions like long waiting periods.


But even the devoted shotgunner and hunter Scalia said that there was plenty of room for legislative regulation of guns short of the DC handgun ban...

Michael K said...

Since then they have made some free market reforms. It simply will not work in the US.

In the past five years they have been invaded by Muslim refugees looking for welfare and Sweden, which got most of them, is having real angst about the welfare state,

But after riots broke out here in Rinkeby, a short drive from the center of Stockholm, just days later, one local resident told CNN he thought Trump's comments were "spot on. I think everything he said is true."
The man, who asked not to be named, is the son of two immigrants who came to Sweden from Greece before he was born. But, he argues, immigration to the country -- and to his neighborhood -- has now gone too far.
"It is out of control. There is a lot of them, there is no place for them," he says. "The real problem is the refugees. They come here and think they can do whatever they want."


Harsh second thoughts are coming.

buwaya said...

Life isn't fair. Some people have natural advantages.
The best way to oppose a "hot Latina" is to let her embarrass herself, or to wait until she isn't so hot anymore.

daskol said...

Conundrum: it is neither. Trump can be a little mean to people who piss him off, and Crowley must have done so. That was pure revenge. Rubbing salt in the wound. He really, really doesn't like Crowley.

daskol said...

buwaya, you may be underestimating just how little people pay attention to what people do when they look as fetching as ocasio cortez. and she's only 28. that takes a lot of patience.

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daskol said...

and listen to her speak. she's not "embarrassing." not at all.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The best way to oppose a "hot Latina" is to let her embarrass herself, or to wait until she isn't so hot anymore.

Exposing her, eventual, over the top socialist rhetoric and some close up shots of the antifa type crazies who will be agitating at her rallies will go a long way to turn off the moderates of the Dem side and galvanize the appalled Repubs.

You don't need to beat up on her. She and her supporters can do all that heavy lifting themselves. All they need is more air time and exposure.

daskol said...

I know a guy named slovack. what a terrible name. reminds me of slovenly every time I see him, even though he's quite kempt.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck longs for a return to the old ways when everyone knew their place and Polite Republican's didn't stir things up too much so as not to irritate their Democrat/lefty/establishment betters.

That uppity Trump just keeps doing what LLR Chuck counsels strongly against...and then wins!!

LLR Chuck is not for one moment going to let Trump get away with all that winning at the expense of Chuckie's beloved dems.

I mean, Dick Durbin feels really really really bad right now.......

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Annie C said...

I saw some kerfluffle about her yesterday. Claims were that a person working for her campaign had run for office as an anti-semite.

daskol said...

DBQ, she's the real deal. she'll stay away from that stuff or at least make sure it doesn't stick on her. and I don't know if anybody even gives a shit about ideology anymore. certainly not most voters.

daskol said...

note that trump is buttering her up already.

daskol said...

who doesn't like being called "a young woman with lots of energy?"

he flattered her. he's flirting with her.

Henry said...

This is a single congressional seat in the Bronx and Queens. Ocasio-Cortez may hold it for the rest of her life.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

DBQ, she's the real deal. she'll stay away from that stuff or at least make sure it doesn't stick on her.

Perhaps. I don't know what the "real deal " is, and I didn't pay any attention to that campaign. She may be able to control herself. However, my bet is that her supporters won't be able to and that socialist/antifa type of support is what will resonate with the other voters who aren't travelers with her.

IF I were to be running a campaign against her...... Video of the crowds, crazy signs and the things surrounding her would be my focus No unwarranted personal attacks but snippets of her communist thoughts and the types of people who support her.

daskol said...

he's a fast-talking new yorker, and he comes up with this shit spontaneously. he may be some kind of genius. that's why I stopped worrying and learned to love trump. can't wait to hear other people's reasons. also the timing. very interested in the timing. people here have shared very interesting stories about that.

daskol said...

DBQ, that may work. trump is trying flirting first. that's sorta the nuclear option in politics. and it really isn't very civil, if you have nicer ways to get it done.

daskol said...

sorry, the nuclear option is trying to destroy her by linking her to everything ugly on the left. he's going for a nicer option first. let's see how she responds.

daskol said...

rhhardin said...
Feminine rhyme


she does have a great name

buwaya said...

Then you will just have to wait.

Anyone beating up on her is going to be about as effective as those idiots attacking Trump's wife and daughter.

daskol said...

hmm. 28 year olds now. smart, pretty ones. politics is changing. I can live with that.

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daskol said...

she's an outsider. she broke the NY dem machine. this is good news. nobody cares about ideology anymore, least of all a smart, pretty ambitious girl just breaking into politics.

Ray said...

She seems to be anti Israel, but a lot of Democrats are.

daskol said...

Crowley was a big deal. this is a big deal. Crowley was "slovenly" because races in this area are not competitive. ever. the machine is strong. it's showing it's weakness.

daskol said...

Ray, that's something to pay attention to. in local activist circles, Israel is worse than South Africa was. that's the milieu here. does she change her tune in Washington?

Ken B said...

“Fourth grade vocabulary.” That's some grade that fourth grade.

daskol said...

Ken, I think that's how he speaks at his rallies. to the "deplorables." twitter, I think, is for the, uh, intelligentsia, for lack of a better word. well, depending on the tweet. this one was to NYC dem machine: sucks to be you is the subtext.

Hey Skipper said...

[DBQ:]

Being slovenly in thinking is not the same as being undisciplined.

However the problem is in your perceptions. YOU perceive Trump as being undisciplined.

...

The old adage: There is a method in the madness.


I don't often agree with Chuck, but he has nailed it.

Trump is undisciplined to the extent he often unnecessarily encourages antagonism, or provides his opponents with defendable terrain.

For example, after the Janus decision, Trump tweeted something like "those unions are going to take it in the shorts".

Possibly, probably, true.

Problem is that he has provided the left (as predictably exemplified by the NYT today) terrain to defend: saintly unions.

However, had he said [Trumpian words I can't hope to imitate to the effect of Supreme Court slams those who think it is OK to make you pay for speech you hate. MAGA!] then the left would, instead of defending unions, would instead be having to explain why its OK to compel speech.

Too often Trump's slovenliness makes his own goals harder to reach.

Michael said...

Trump is keen on high energy. He personally has a hummingbirds heart grafted to his ass. Not big on sleep, would tire men half his age with his schedule.

As to the young Latina I advise leaving her alone. She is a nice person with nutty ideas and will hit reality's wall very hard and very soon.

Howard said...

Blogger Drago said...
LLR Chuck longs for a return to the old ways when everyone knew their place


Exactly. This is one of the primary criticisms of Trump by the MSM, as if politicians have been batting a thousand for the past 30-years. It's a perfect example of slovenly thinking that will get Trump re-elected.

EDH said...

Althouse: Crowley/slovenly. Maybe there's a word for the type of rhyme where the second syllable is identical and the first syllable is a near-rhyme. In my mind, the "ly" falls away, and I see "crow" more clearly. Crowley eats crow. "Crow" and "sloven" — the sloven crow. Sloven Crow sounds so great, I'd like there to be a restaurant with that name. Or a rock band.

By contrast, Melania is Slovanian.

Darrell said...

Too often Trump's slovenliness makes his own goals harder to reach.

Amazing, then, that he meets everyone of his goals, often exceeding them. Unlike "reasoned" losers like McCain and Romney. Say something nice about Obama, John and Mitt. Raise your hand if you agree global warming is our number 1 problem. Playing nice with the Left gets you more knives in the back.

Hey Skipper said...

Amazing, then, that he meets everyone of his goals, often exceeding them.

I am duly amazed. However, I suspect I would be even more amazed if he didn't seem to be putting unnecessary obstacles in his path.

Fighting two front wars is almost never a good idea. Presuming China, and its rampant disregard of WTO norms, is our biggest trade threat, why piss off Europe?

Hey Skipper said...

Amazing, then, that he meets everyone of his goals, often exceeding them.

I am duly amazed. However, I suspect I would be even more amazed if he didn't seem to be putting unnecessary obstacles in his path.

Fighting two front wars is almost never a good idea. Presuming China, and its rampant disregard of WTO norms, is our biggest trade threat, why piss off Europe?

Darrell said...

Throw your enemies off their game. Get them to self-immolate.
Let your allies know you are with them and against their enemies.
What's hard to understand?


On another note, the only thing Chuck could nail is his forehead. He's turned himself into Pinhead from Hellraiser over the last couple of years.

Francisco D said...

"Crowley should have paid attention to the old aphorism "80% of success is just showing up."

In the business world, 80% of success is going up on time. That is why many businesses struggle with millennials. They have their lives to live and showing up on time is not a high priority.

Millennials also seem to prefer very clear instructions from which they do not deviate. They do not seem to have the capacity for independent thought or ad libbing. Maybe that is because the educational system has been teaching WHAT to think rather than HOW to think over the past 30 years.

Hmmm. Sounds like a lot of modern leftists.

clint said...

Hey Skipper said...
"Fighting two front wars is almost never a good idea. Presuming China, and its rampant disregard of WTO norms, is our biggest trade threat, why piss off Europe?"

To get them to agree to a hard line on Iran.

The biggest problem with backing out of Obama's Iran deal is that the sanctions which brought Iran to the table in the first place were gone -- Europe was trading with Iran again. Taking a hard line on trade with Europe got the EU to (implicitly) agree that trade with the U.S. was much more important to them than trade with Iran.

If we also get lower tariffs on our goods -- like Germany offered last week -- that's a great bonus too.

Drago said...

Hey Skipper: "Fighting two front wars is almost never a good idea. Presuming China, and its rampant disregard of WTO norms, is our biggest trade threat, why piss off Europe?"

Because Europe has, with our stupid help, constructed trade restrictions and barriers that put the US at a permanent disadvantage, undermine international sanctions which undermines our foreign policy, abuses the NAFTA agreements to sneak products from Europe into the US market via Canada or Mexico, doesn't meet even the bare minimum defense contributions for NATO, etc.

Any other stupid questions you'd like to offer up?

Darrell said...

Why piss off Europe?

Because they have been getting huge US aid in the form of trade deficits while playing games of tariffs, subsidies, and trade obstacles and delays---while not paying their fair share for defense and security. They are the grandkids that cash Grandma's birthday check and don't even say "Thanks!." The US is not going to get hurt in a trade war more than the deficits that we've been incurring over the last several decades. If Europe loses the US market, they might as well commit suicide. The US is still the market maker for the world.

Big Mike said...

I was going to comment that Trump should avoid using that word since his wife is a Slovene, but tcrosse and EDH made the connection before me.

Not that there is anything slovenly about Melania, far from it!

Big Mike said...

If Candy Crowley had pulled that stunt on Trump he would have dragged her by the hair across the stage.

And not necessarily the hair on top of her head. Just sayin’

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mockturtle said...

Why piss off Europe?

Because it just feels good.

mockturtle said...

She seems to be anti Israel, but a lot of Democrats are.

Especially the Jewish ones.

Hey Skipper said...

[Darrell:] Because they have been getting huge US aid in the form of trade deficits while playing games of tariffs, subsidies, and trade obstacles and delays---while not paying their fair share for defense and security.

Yes, they have. No disagreement there.

But I keep thinking that Trump needs to read less Trump and more Clausewitz.

johnhenry100 said...

Several people have referred to Ocasio as "latino" or "hispanic" in comments here and on yesterday's thread.

This drives me up a wall since there is really no such thing. She is Puerto Rican. There are also lots of Mexicans and Cubans in the US. Each group tends to congregate in different areas. None of the three have much of anything in common. Not how they came to the US, not culture, not countries of origin. Mexicans, for example, tend to be primarily indian blood not much African. Puerto Ricans have little indian blood, lots of African. Neither have much Spanish (as in tracing back to Spain). Argentines have primarily German and Italian bloodlines. Those that aren't Indian and African, anyway.

I don't think there is dislike between the groups. But neither is there much affinity. About the only commonality is language and not even that after a 2 generations or so.

So can we call Ocasio Puerto Rican instead of Latino? I suspect that she knows little and cares less about Mexican-American and Cuban-American issues and that her focus is on Puerto Rican issues.

John Henry

mtrobertslaw said...

Tucker Carlson reported that during the campaign, she often argued that a white person should not be representing brown people. This might sound shocking to some but it is probably standard fare for the new democrat party.

johnhenry100 said...

Someone suggested that Crowley will run as an independent. I agree and offered to bet $5 on this yesterday. I went further and said that if he did, he would have the support of the party.

It is something that annoys the bejabbers out of me that this can even happen. It seems to me that when someone loses a primary (or in CH's case the general) they should have the good grace to shut up and support the winner. Some states (including NY? Anyone know?) have laws against this. All should.

Two recent examples were Murkowski and Lieberman. Both lost their primaries, both ran as independents, both were supported by the party over the actual nominee, both won and both were welcomed as their party's representatives.

This is despicable. In my opinion, both should have been shunned by the party in the general and even after.

One more reason why, if I lived in the upper 48 I probably would not even register to vote. The right to vote seems meaningless. Nothing more than getting people to put their stamp of approval on a corrupt circus.

Not to say our politicians here will not match any Chicago, NY or Detroit pol on the corruptometer. They will, though they mainly manage to stay out of the pokey. We do get them honestly, though. No shenanigans in our elections.

John Henry

Darrell said...

We are going to win any trade war--no doubt about it. And that's what the Lefties fear. Voters will wonder why the US never stood up before. When Trump said I am willing to eliminate all tariffs and subsidies the second you do, the other countries there shit their pants. Justin the Sparkle Pony threw an eyebrow. The jig was up.

langford peel said...

He can run on the Liberal party line. That as how Lindsey won his second term.

Trump is going to go down as the greatest Pro-life President in history.

God bless him.

Chuck and the lying so called "conservatives" hardest hit.

Marc Lowenstein said...

Anecdote of the Jar
BY WALLACE STEVENS
I placed a jar in Tennessee,
And round it was, upon a hill.
It made the slovenly wilderness
Surround that hill.

The wilderness rose up to it,
And sprawled around, no longer wild.
The jar was round upon the ground
And tall and of a port in air.

It took dominion everywhere.
The jar was gray and bare.
It did not give of bird or bush,
Like nothing else in Tennessee.

Earnest Prole said...

I don't think I've ever heard the word "slovenly" used as a political insult.

Wasn't it the go-to political insult for Steve Bannon?

johnhenry100 said...

Blogger Hey Skipper said...

Problem is that he has provided the left (as predictably exemplified by the NYT today) terrain to defend: saintly unions.

Actually, no. Not many people see unions as "saintly" and Janus doesn't even affect unions generally. It affects only govt employee unions. There are damn few people who see see govt employee unions as anything other than corrupt. If not legally, then morally.

So rather than providing the fascists with terrain to defend, he has provided them with a hill to die on and no reinforcements coming.

They will have to defend the hill to prevent mutiny of their members. But the more they try to defend it, the more most Americans will say "Fuck you, we have civil service, there is no need for govt unions at all."

They may die a glorious death defending the hill, but in the end they will die on it and few will care.

Appearance of chaos and disorganization? Perhaps. A method to his madness? Absolutamente!


John Henry

langford peel said...

I fully endorse the remarks of Senorita Chiquita Banana. A white man should not represent brown people. Brown people should have their own representatives. Their own restaurants. Their own neighbor hoods. The few remaining whites who used to live on Archie Bunkers block there in Queens need to move out and leave it to the beaners. They want to turn it into a shit hole like their native land. Leave them to it. NYC is lost to the normals.

It is a lost cause.

johnhenry100 said...

Blogger Hey Skipper said...

Fighting two front wars is almost never a good idea. Presuming China, and its rampant disregard of WTO norms, is our biggest trade threat, why piss off Europe?

And yet he now has the European automakers, primarily Germany, asking for zero tariffs on autos.

President Trump, at the G-7, asked for all tariff's to be abolished. This would be a start.

John Henry

Unknown said...

Neither. He's slovenly and he got his ass kicked, two unrelated things.

johnhenry100 said...
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johnhenry100 said...

Blogger langford peel said...

I fully endorse the remarks of Senorita Chiquita Banana.

Fuck off, you bigoted piece of shit.

John Henry

MaxedOutMama said...

Almost as if the man is a stable genius.

It did strike me as the perfect word, not just because of the exactness of meaning, but because it is a bit unexpected so it would have a deeper impact on people who understood the word. The more common modern American usage relates purely to appearance.

langford peel said...

Thanks John Henry. I know you live in Puerto Rico so you need to protect one of your own.

I just endorse her as a fellow bigoted piece of shit. She is bigoted against white people in favor of brown people. She thinks white people, white privilege and white supremacy are terrible things.

When in fact without white people and white supremacy she would still be on the island picking coconuts out of the tree and have six kids by the age of 15.

I just stick up for my own people. Something Joe Crowley forgot and now it is biting him in the ass. Just the way it is biting the Democrats in the ass when this Chiquita and Aunt Esther Waters and Keith Ellison are the heart and soul of their party.

Original Mike said...

”To her credit, though, she is a hot Latina!”

Meh. Her teeth are too big.

langford peel said...

White people have fled Queens and the Bronx. It is now filled with illegals especially in places like Corona. This baby banana is the perfect representative to bring shit hole county values to the Congress. They need representation too.

langford peel said...

Look on the bright side for the Democrats. When she is elected she can provide maid service at caucus meetings while Nancy Pelosi and other rich white ladies determine policy.

langford peel said...

I bet the wise latina cleaning up the used condoms and pancake derbies in Althouse's hotel room is just as qualified.

Viva la chuci chuci!

Earnest Prole said...

I just stick up for my own people.

I think it's called racial essentialism.

Darrell said...

When she drops her Socialist ideology, I will salute her.
Until then . . .

Earnest Prole said...

Speaking of slovenly as a great and underused word, there's also the related word slatternly.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

"”To her credit, though, she is a hot Latina!”"

You people all have some really low standards. That commie twat is a 6 at best.

Rabel said...

It's a majority Hispanic district. The attractive female Hispanic beat the pasty, fat white guy by 4000 votes in a 25,000 vote election.

It was a failure by the party to get out their usual voters. Why?

Bad Lieutenant said...

6/28/18, 7:54 AM
Freder Frederson said...
I was in NYC last week and there was a political ad for one of the districts. The Republican ran an ad that said he was pro-choice and pro gun control. Here in Louisiana you couldn't even get a Democrat to say that in public.

6/28/18, 7:55 AM


I think that was Bob Hugin (and where's his cousin Munin?) who is running against Menendez for NJ Senator.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Blogger buwaya said...
You don't want Republican ads against her.
No matter what silliness she gets up to or how much of a ditz she is.
Bad optics.

She is simply too young and too pretty (as politicians go). And female.
Any ad against her will be an ad for her.
And it isn't a seat Republicans can hope for anyway."

I want GOP ads with her.

The more sillier and ditzy she is the better, to a point we most likely won't approach.

Great optics for the greatest country in history.

Thank God she is so young, pretty, and not a "he."

All ads for her will be a reminder of why she exists outside of watering holes.

Only idiots can't understand why we are talking about a NY election; as if 'twere contained within that mere district (lol).

Read me Bu Bu, go back. Whether through logistics or gumption, the greatest country of All Time will not be defeated, not on our watch.

Guildofcannonballs said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew

America isn't exceptional like Greeks think Greece is exceptional, Bu Bu.

And Lee K. Yew too.

Guildofcannonballs said...

All this civil war bs is online only.

It always will be.

America is forever God willing, which He most certainly so far.

50-100 dead per day based on hate/politics is not a civil war,
Not to Americans. And I haven't even Seen that meager (but grim) stat actualized.

Civil War is more like, with our current pop., 10 or 20,000 dead per day. Let me know if you start to notice that, please, O well-read one.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Well, at the risk of obeying enemy commands, I'll say it:

The best dentist I ever had was a woman.

A real, bona fide, honest-to-God woman.

And perfect.

Small hands, greatness coordination-wise, extreme comfort patient-wise, knowledgable and cordial.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Kepler's Ledge, whcih none of you figured-out fucks never figured was;

Anytime numbers matter, all the infinite numbers (unknown infinite being here related to) supercede the known ones.

I'd have the Prince >>>> my KLNL vere that one.

What matters is behind the scene mastery (money) not numbers you think you are relat(e)able to in a meaningful way somehow by.

Guildofcannonballs said...

FOREWARNING:

Just because I've acknowledged arguments as, hardly not 1000% invalid, doesn't represent an endorsement of the 10000% wrongness.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"(as politicians go)"

No American would have allowed themselves to publish this level of debasement.

That ain't what we do, even in them dark, musty hills of Eastern Kentucky in Harlan County.

You might recognize Johnny Depp from those parts.

Guildofcannonballs said...

It matterered sp ,icj when Chrissy Hitchens soaid it so Krauthammerly.

It mattererd: it did.

It mattered.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

she's female and progressive. What's your problem?

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Jesus, listening to the cucks here preemptively surrendering to this commie ditz is real inspiring. Geez, how did you squishes lose twice to antiAmerican traitor Obama? It's so hard to have principles and ethics, and then people don't like you cause you don't have the same opinions as the progs... Shhhh, keep your stupid heads down, cucks. Don't say anything, the progs won't like it... Pathetic.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Agree with President Mom Jeans about the attractive quotient of the commie that. Hot latina? Compared to the wise latina, maybe. You fucking cucks are pathetic. Pa- Thetic!

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Hooray for Darrell@9:54AM- He gets it! Look there, pinky-lifters, that's what NeverCuck looks like!

hititandquit said...

Trotsky called Lenin a "slovenly attorney." The second word was the shiv. (But do translations from Russian count?)

Unknown said...

> The best way to oppose a "hot Latina" is to let her embarrass herself, or to wait until she isn't so hot anymore.

That didn't work with Trump...

If you study martial arts, and move has a counter.

> When she is elected she can provide maid service at caucus meetings while Nancy Pelosi and other rich white ladies determine policy.

If she just goes to Congress, then the same thing will happen as for the tea party representatives:

NOTHING.

She's only effective as a "master persuader".

Can she sell socialism?

Does she believe that stuff, or is she just using it to get attention? (the second is politically smarter)

She has the spotlight, does she have the talent stack to make something of the moment?

She is a bartender. Maybe some other skills.

Trump was a salesman and world's greatest brander, billionaire NY real estate, event promoter, and TV personality raised at the side of Roy Cohen. Trumps not a "True Believer", he did not win on ideology. (Obama is a true believer, a doctrinaire liberal conlaw prof).

Sure they both have "no political experience".

Can she sell?

glenn said...

Joe: “Vote for me and I’ll get you a welfare check or a show up job in the public sector”

Hot Latina “No thanks, Joe. I’ll just take your job and all your perks”

Pass the popcorn.