May 2, 2018

"Yes, Donald Trump Is Making White People More Hateful/A new study finds empirical evidence of the 'Trump Effect.'"

So says The Nation.

Shortly before the 2016 election, [Brian Schaffner, a scholar at UMass Amherst,] randomly divided almost 1,200 non-Hispanic white respondents into four groups. He showed one, the control group, three relatively anodyne statements made by Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton during the course of the campaign. The second group was given the same three statements, and also shown an excerpt of Trump’s infamous Mexican rapists speech. A third group saw a different inflammatory statement, “Our great African-American President hasn’t exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore.” And the final group was shown all five.

Schaffner then asked respondents to say something in their own words about African-Americans, Mexicans, white people, politicians, the middle class and millennials.... The results were surprising. Respondents who were exposed to Trump’s comments about “thugs” in Baltimore weren’t affected by that inflammatory statement to a significant degree, but those who read his tirade about Mexicans were. They made significantly more negative comments about the groups in question than those who only saw more conventional campaign rhetoric. Eight hundred people were recruited to rate the comments on a scale from “very negative” to “very positive,” and Schaffner averaged out the results....

Schaffner’s own explanation is that Trump is giving respondents tacit permission to be bigots. “People aren’t always sure what the norms are in terms of what’s OK and what’s not OK to say,” he says. “There have been several psychological studies showing that people tend to take cues from their peers when they’re asked to talk about other groups. When they hear somebody saying something offensive about some group, then they basically say to themselves, ‘oh, I can say that because this other person said it so it must be OK.’ And I think something similar is going on here. People hear a politician who is running for president using this inflammatory terminology, and they think, ‘well, if a major party’s presidential candidate is using this language than it must be acceptable for me.’ So I think people are changing their understanding about what the norms allow for, or preclude, based on what they’re hearing from Trump.”
The Nation's headline is bad. I'm only seeing reason to think people became more outwardly expressive. Who knows when people are "more hateful"? You could feel a lot of hate but hold your tongue. Maybe the most hateful people keep it to themselves.

178 comments:

Achilles said...

The left is losing it. Trump has been better than I thought by a long ways.

Achilles said...

"Schaffner then asked respondents to say something in their own words about African-Americans, Mexicans, white people, politicians, the middle class and millennials.... The results were surprising. Respondents who were exposed to Trump’s comments about “thugs” in Baltimore weren’t affected by that inflammatory statement to a significant degree, but those who read his tirade about Mexicans were."


I actually laughed a bit to no one in particular. ;)

Unknown said...

Me: white guy (all my life), professionally successful, nearing my 61st birthday. I hate no one. Not Hillary. Not all the haters on the Left and Right. No one.

-sw

FIDO said...

Another 'scientific' paper proving that Conservatives are evil or bad people by the anti-Right Nation.

Yawn.

Generally it takes 2 weeks for someone to check their methodology and debunk them...which is printed on page 57, bottom of the page in 4 point type. Both sentences...while the Letters agreeing are covering three pages in the same issue.

What the Left is not getting is that their anti-Western culture Loud Mouths (who are a minority of actual professors...I think) make us now distrust the objectivity of these so called scientists.

And if we doubt their work, it has very little impact.

So keep up that two minutes hate.

Achilles said...

Schaffner’s own explanation is that Trump is giving respondents tacit permission to be bigots. “People aren’t always sure what the norms are in terms of what’s OK and what’s not OK to say,” he says.

I laughed again. ;)

The reaction to Kayne is showing everyone who the racists are and always have been.


Rob said...

When Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke out about what he (rightly) believed were injustices in America, other African-Americans were emboldened to do so too. Back then, that was a good thing.

William Chadwick said...

I guess the science is settled, then.

And it's to expected. It takes "liberals" to spread the love. Because nothing is more loving than coercion.

Bob Boyd said...

Did they try this to see what various Dem constituency groups would say about white working class people or Tea Party people or Trump voters after exposure to negative characterizations of them by Democrats?
I'm guessing they didn't.

Bay Area Guy said...

The Nation? The magazine that actually supported Stalin in the 40s and 50s?

I have a long memory.

Oh, as for this "Study," cough, cough, cough, confirmation bias, cough, cough, cough.......

Achilles said...

"Who knows when people are "more hateful"?"

That is easy Ann. If you don't give leftists more power over other people you are hateful.

BAG's point and TN's support of Stalin is right on point.

Why do you think they are using Stalin's favorite tactic to overturn an election result they didn't like?

MikeD said...

Saw this statement somewhere on web today (maybe insta?) too lazy to check! "Before the internet, everyone was as batshit as now but thought most other ppl *weren't* batshit, so most acted as non-batshit as they could. Once we could all see how batshit everyone else was, we gave up the old charade & now aspire to maximum batshittery"

Oso Negro said...

It’s imprtant to keep the left stoked so that when Mueller indicts Trump, there will be a shock wave of idiots to run into the guns of the right.

Jupiter said...

This makes me so mad I think I'll go burn and loot some stores. Anybody need new shoes?

Browndog said...

White=hate=Trump.

Millennial only read headlines on their iphone, and the subliminal messaging is quite effective.

Mike Sylwester said...

How much did this study cost, and who paid for it?

Achilles said...

Jupiter said...
This makes me so mad I think I'll go burn and loot some stores. Anybody need new shoes?

Why don't rioters ever loot gun stores?

oh.

Too bad about that.

Jupiter said...

Schaffner does appear to have demonstrated that when white people are exposed to Trump's arguments, they find them persuasive. Even in Amherst, a communist shithole if ever there was one.

Mike Sylwester said...

In the 2020 Presidential election, the Democrats need to flip the White underemployed working-class voters back to voting Democrat.

A key part of the Democrats' political strategy is to make lots of racism accusations against Whites.

Gospace said...

Right. But calling half the nation deplorables isn't hateful at all, it's just telling it like it is. Right?

Caldwell Titcomb IV said...

"almost 1,200 non-Hispanic white respondents " because only white people are bad ... and including non-white people might give the impression they had a something similar to a control group (gasp!), or, (oh the horror) might reveal that non-white people acted somewhat like white people, who are bad.

The Nation's headline is bad.

It was probably written by a white person. They're bad.

Darrell said...

The Left is now completely insane. Time for ECT.

BDNYC said...

A lot of crazy assumptions and sloppy thinking in that study.

Browndog said...

MikeD said...

Yes, it was Insty, and yes, normalizing abnormal behavior is one tool the left uses to destroy American society and will never quit. Ever.

rcocean said...

Yes, Conservatives HAVE gotten more hateful - toward assholes who write for the Nation, shitheads like "Jimmy" Kimmel. the MSM, and all the obstructionist anti-American Politicians.

And of course, toward the endless Left-wing race-baiting.

Bob Boyd said...

"Eight hundred people were recruited to rate the comments"

Who were these people? Where did they come from? What did he do to eliminate their bias?
We aren't told.

rcocean said...

Left-winger at Nation race-baits and finds a way to call people who disagree with him "Racist".

Wow, I've never heard that before.

Kristian Holvoet said...

Maybe the most hateful people keep it to themselves.

Ummm....

Twitter. CNN. Maxine Waters. Hollywood. WHCD. Kathy Griffith. Stephen Colbert.

Not buying it.

holdfast said...

Since Trump was elected, I've seem tons of White Lefties so overcome with Hatred of their fellow American that they were almost foaming at the mouth. I mean, look at all the hatred expressed towards Kanye this week!

rcocean said...

If you want to get serious about it:

A) I don't trust any Left-wing "Social Scientist" to do a objective study about Trump.

B) I bet the Leftist Prof was REALLY surprised when his study made Trump look bad. Bet he was DESPERATELY trying to conduct a study that would say the opposite.

C) His sample size is too small, the people aren't chosen at random, we don't know what the statements are, or how he proved his results, or whether anyone did an OBJECTIVE analysis of his findings.

IOW, its the typical "Social Science" bullshit.

rcocean said...

But Peeps are stupid. Just call it a "Study" and say its "Science" and they fall for it.

William said...

If that study is correct, why would not that same dynamic be at play with anti-Trump voters. They're exposed to an endless drum beat of hate and ridicule directed at Trump. Wouldn't such exposure make them hate Trump and his voters more ferociously?

MikeR said...

You need to examine the study carefully. If it is designed by biased people, and most of them are, they may make judgments that people are bigoted because they disagreed with some leftist cant.
This article talked about it, https://psmag.com/social-justice/is-a-liberal-bias-hurting-social-psychology, but there's a lot more by Duarte, who is an associate of Jonathan Haidt. A lot of these studies are wrong because they assume the politics of the studiers.

walter said...

Bob Boyd said...Who were these people?
--
Right..jumped out to me as well.

Also "non-Hispanic white respondents"

Hey..this sort of science would be cool to try with some of those choice Obama comments.

Fabi said...

Now, now, William -- there can be no such thing as hate directed at Trump and his voters.

Rory said...

Clicking through to the study, I can't find how the people were chosen. It says responses were limited to 242 characters, which implies online "interviews." The 800 raters of the comments seem to have been some sort of Amazon crowd-sourcing group.

Bob Boyd said...

If the comment raters were from UMass they probably would rate use of the words "illegal immigrant" as racist, xenophobic hate speech.

Tank said...

Projection.

Leftists always project.

Henry said...

Schaffner’s own explanation is that ...

There's the rub.

Bay Area Guy said...

Leftwing political algorithm:

1. If voted against Obama, then RACIST!

2. If voted for Trump, then RACIST!

3. If white, then suspected RACIST!

4. If Republican, then suspected RACIST!

5. If straight, then HOMOPHOBIC!

6. If straight, white, Republic, male, then QUADRUPLE RACIST!

sykes.1 said...

The left is openly advocating White genocide. Whites have to band together to defend themselves and their children. We will either get race war on a large scale or, if there is a merciful god, racially based politics. There is no going back.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

White wingers are very hateful, but they're much more uptight so they hide it better.

I think basically it comes out once they go into the voting booth and start wagging a finger and bopping their head from side-to-side like an African-American scolding someone.

Unknown said...

But I have been told for twenty years by the democrat media party that all republicans are racists already. So sod off. The democrat media party have always been bigots.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

White wingers are definitely anti-love, anti-kindness, anti-compassion. They basically think that if the government isn't holding people down in any way except monetarily - especially for the oligarchy/aristocracy, then people will become too nice for each other and somehow we'll all die. They literally fear excessive kindness as a likely source of national decline/national disaster.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

Yes, Conservatives HAVE gotten more hateful - toward assholes who write for the Nation, shitheads like "Jimmy" Kimmel.

How horrible that he wants other kids born with the same heart defect his kid has/had to be able to "afford to live."

You people have no idea how wretched and repulsive you show yourselves to be to people with normal values.

Bob Boyd said...

In another study, white lab rats were forced to read Trump tweets from smart phones which had been placed in their cages. The subject rats quickly became frenzied, tore apart the bars of their cages and verbally attacked lab personnel who were cornered and subjected to lengthy diatribes, streams of bitter invective and some squeaking noises.

walter said...

Wow PPPT,
Pretty impressive broad brush ya got there.
You left out wanting kids to get mowed down.

Birkel said...

When I am not called a racist, sexist and other -ist I just sit back and thank my lucky stars that Leftist Collectivists are so congenial.

So, about once a month.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

Wow PPPT,
Pretty impressive broad brush ya got there.
You left out wanting kids to get mowed down.


I don't think all wingers are that bad, but on the whole they were definitely ok with making sure kids and other vulnerable Americans die if they can't afford to get better.

Gun control/reform is popular, so you can't paint them all on that one, too. But unfortunately they think that the NRA is doing anything important other than protecting gun manufacturers and are therefore very resistant to any measures that will keep kids from getting killed. The amount of hatred some of them have shown toward a few of those MSD kids, despite the lifelong traumatizing horrors they had just lived through, is definitely a sign of lacking any basic human decency.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

When I am not called a racist, sexist and other -ist I just sit back and thank my lucky stars that Leftist Collectivists are so congenial.

So, about once a month.


Don't worry, Birkel. They disregard you about as much as you're likely to disregard every other American.

Jeff Roth said...

And all those more hateful white people are journalists and "artists".

Birkel said...

My local restaurant promises no MSD.

I like General Tsao.

Quaestor said...

The Left is now completely insane. Time for ECT.

Too expensive, and it contributes to carbon emissions.

Euthanasia.

traditionalguy said...

And then along came Kanye. He announced Emancipation of Blacks from mind control by black Plantation Overseers.

Anonymous said...

Ah Social "Science". Start with a conclusion then throw out anything that contradicts that conclusion and there you are!

rhhardin said...

Maybe people are just calculating risks more closely.

JML said...

I only just read the headline, and I do agree -- all my white liberal friends have become hateful a@@holes. OK, former liberal friends because I'm not one of them and they can't associate with me any longer, and in truth, I guess they always were a@@holes but didn't have to show it so much because, in the words of a former friend who is liberal, "...our team was in charge, so all was well."

cubanbob said...

The Left is always claiming Conservatives and Republicans are always current day Hitler's. Considering there haven't been mass murders of Leftists our American Hitler's are a very lazy bunch.

Robert Cook said...

"Trump has been better than I thought by a long ways."

Consider the source.

n.n said...

#HateLovesAbortion

The Cracker Emcee Rampant said...

As Mom used to say, "consider the source". I do love these little surges of hysteria, though. They seem to grow more intense whenever Trump has had a particularly good week. The complete, no-shit, anyone-can-see-it, crack-up of the Left cannot be far away.

The Cracker Emcee Rampant said...

Damn, Bob. Is your Mom from the Midwest?

chickelit said...

That’s the kind of suedo-science that chaps my hide.

Bob Boyd said...

It's too late to simply get rid of Trump. We'll also need to isolate the infected.

n.n said...

The Left is now completely insane. Time for ECT.

Too expensive, and it contributes to carbon emissions.

Your community PP offers humanitarian-approved methods for SC, cheap enough to reduce the burden of poor people, and certified to not contribute to the prophecy of catastrophic anthropogenic global cooling... warming... climate change.

chickelit said...

Blogger traditionalguy said...”And then along came Kanye. He announced Emancipation of Blacks from mind control by black Plantation Overseers.”

In one fell swoop West did more for race relations than Obama did in 8 years. But that’s why the left will have to destroy him.

Robert Cook said...

"Damn, Bob. Is your Mom from the Midwest?"

If you're asking me, yes. My dad, too. (They're both gone now.) My dad was born and raised in Evansville, Indiana, my mom born in Evansville, (delivered by the same doctor who delivered my dad), and raised in Newburgh, Indiana. My brothers and I were born in Evansville, (delivered by the same doctor who delivered both my parents), and we spent our early childhoods there, before the family moved to Florida.

Birkel said...

Robert Cook would put us all against the wall. Never forget that is what communist do.

But only always.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

They let the gun manufacturers, Oxy-Contin manufacturers and factory food industrialists and chemical manufacturers do the job, cubanbob. Although you're right - those folks target any American, not just "leftists."

I think the Republicans are pro-assisted suicide. They don't mind getting big business to assist in the mass suicides of many Americans.

rhhardin said...

The right is more hateful means that the right is hated more, in normal usage.

bagoh20 said...

"Trump is giving respondents tacit permission to be bigots."

Or to put it another less bigoted way:

Trump is giving respondents tacit permission to be politically incorrect.
Trump is giving respondents tacit permission to be honest.
Trump is giving respondents tacit permission to be courageous.

Robert Cook said...

Birkel, your wet dreams do get so tiresome.

FullMoon said...

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood !

walter said...

President Pee-Pee Tape said... don't think all wingers are that bad, but on the whole they were definitely ok with making sure kids and other vulnerable Americans die if they can't afford to get better.

Gun control/reform is popular, so you can't paint them all on that one, too. But unfortunately they think that the NRA is doing anything important other than protecting gun manufacturers and are therefore very resistant to any measures that will keep kids from getting killed.
--
Ah..this is PPPT when the meds are working.
Because back then in the moment..high density shit flingin'

Robert Cook said...

I think it's really the anonymity of internet that gives people the permission to be more bluntly hateful, and it becomes a habit, until they start expressing themselves that way all the time, everywhere. (People have always been hateful, it's just more visible now, again, via the internet.)

Birkel said...

Robert Cook,

Name the time communists took control and didn't mass murder people. Give one example, please.

FullMoon said...

Liberal Oregon is the only state where physician-assisted suicide is legal. The so-called "Death with Dignity Act"

Drago said...

That James T. Hodgkinson seemed pretty angry.

But then again, according to media reports, he never existed and his "misdemeanor" activity has long slipped from view and memory.

Two-eyed Jack said...

If you look at the paper (unpublished, but linked at The Nation), you will see that two rather arbitrarily chosen Trump comments are deemed sufficient to test the effect of Trump on attitudes to two ethnic groups and one generational group for control. The AA quote has no significant effect, but the Mexican quote makes people more negative and hateful to Millennials (also to Mexicans), and it works on both Clinton and Trump supporters!

Again: Trump "Mexicans are Racist" quote makes Clinton supporters hate Millennials! (Fig 5, p<.05)

Differences are in the single-digit range, so hate is kind of a +/-5% thing, I guess.

Drago said...

Birkel: "Name the time communists took control and didn't mass murder people. Give one example, please"

I can't wait for Cookie to explain how the mass exodus of Venezuelan citizens Cook's latest economic paradise/miracle into Brazil is really all about sharing the non-capitalist "wealth" between national neighbors......

Drago said...

""Yes, Donald Trump Is Making White People More Hateful/A new study finds empirical evidence of the 'Trump Effect.'""

Sounds like very solid empirical truth alright.....


https://newrepublic.com/article/135921/science-suffering-peer-reviews-big-problems

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778
"Most scientists 'can't replicate studies by their peers'"

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-replicated-100-psychology-studies-and-fewer-half-got-same-results-180956426/

William Chadwick said...

You know President Pee Pee is kind and loving by his generosity with other people's money, and by the way he makes love to the State. (Walter, too.)

Bad Lieutenant said...

"Yes, Donald Trump Is Making White People More Hateful/A new study finds empirical evidence of the 'Trump Effect.'"
So says The Nation.

Who would know better than the hateful, sheet-white Nation?

FullMoon said...
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Robert Cook said...

"Name the time communists took control and didn't mass murder people."

Why? What does that have to do with your wet dreams about me?

Birkel said...

Well, if you don't count 20% of the country murdered as "mass murder", sure.

But that definition doesn't hold blood.

The Cracker Emcee Rampant said...

"I think it's really the anonymity of internet that gives people the permission to be more bluntly hateful"

More precisely, social media. And the decline has been precipitous. Even in the mid '90's the gentlemanly McNeil-Lehrer School of Civil Debate still largely held sway. Now, it's yobs all the way down. Except at Althouse, natch. Except for Ritmo, natch.

gspencer said...

Gee, The Nation said that. I better get a second opinion. I'll try the Southern Poverty Law Center.

bagoh20 said...

Well, yes, I will cop to the hypothesis. Perhaps I do hate rapists and murderers even more now, becuase of Trump. I'm not sure what my problem was before, but I'm glad I'm over it. I was this close to inviting a couple of rapists and murderers to move in with the family.

I know that's what good leftists think I should do, and they almost had me convinced. They always tell me how such unfortunate people can be reformed with a little compassion and tolerance. I was always a little suspicious since they say that from behind their high walls, fences, and security guards. Who are they hiding from? Is it me, a lowly deplorable? Am I not redeemable?

Birkel said...

Robert Cook,
I can blame you for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of your beliefs. You can sidestep the moral implications. In fact, if you couldn't I doubt you could be a communist.

It is a BFOQ for a commie.

rcocean said...

Lets be honest.

We're all going to miss Trump when he leaves.

Love him or hate him, he's fucking interesting.

Robert Cook said...

But you have no idea why my beliefs are, judging by the things you say. I think it just makes you hard to imagine yourself a stalwart fighter against the commies.

rcocean said...

Hath not a Trump Supporter eyes? Hath not a "Deplorable" hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a Leftist is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?

The Merchant of Venice - 2018 Version

buwaya said...

"This makes me so mad I think I'll go burn and loot some stores. Anybody need new shoes?"

Florsheim Oxfords, black, Size 10 2E, if you would be so kind.

DanTheMan said...

>>"People aren’t always sure what the norms are in terms of what’s OK and what’s not OK to say"

Translation: We still have people who don't think they way we tell them to.



bagoh20 said...

BTW, who is this Trump person everyone is talking about? From what I've been reading, he must be some kind of powerful wizard or super hypnotist. I can just Google him and find out for myself, but this is usually a good forum to ask about obscure subjects, so.

William Chadwick said...

MikeD, the "bats**t" crazy quote you saw was on Instapundit today. Not sure if it came from Glenn Reynolds or some one else. You can see examples of what the quote was about by reading some of the posts from some of the stupider "liberals" posting on this thread. (And of course by "liberals" I mean "tax-happy, coercion-addicted, power-tripping government sniffers and State-shtuppers.") In fact I think one of the more deranged is an old "friend" of ours, the Toothless State Fellator, now writing under a more "presidential" pseudonym.

"I remember when 'liberal' meant being generous with your own money."--Will Rogers

Birkel said...

No, Robert Cook, I know you hold the communist view in your head and imagine yourself one of the good guys who would be a gentle despot. But the inevitable will happen if ever you and your fellow travelers achieve power.

The ghostwriter for Obama's biographies estimate 25 million killed. 10% of the U.S. population.

I believe him serious in his ambition.

Renee said...

As in white liberals.... ???

Earnest Prole said...

It's indisputable there's been a significant increase in hateful white rhetoric, but blaming Trump is like blaming a cough for a cold. Much of the hateful white rhetoric seems patterned explicitly on hateful black leftist rhetoric; it's as though whites are saying, "Screw it: if they're siding with Malcolm X's separatism over MLK's inclusion, so will we."

langford peel said...

Hateful white rhetoric is when white people stand up for their rights and refuse to bow down to political correctness.

It's when you call a spade a spade instead of an African American.

It used to be a free country.

Robert Cook said...

@Birkel: Oy vey! Get over yourself and your childish fantasies.

Comanche Voter said...

WTF is wrong with these people?

Birkel said...

My fantasies? You mean I am Bill Ayers?

Cool.

Jersey Fled said...

This reminds me of the one and only psychology course I had to take as an engineering major.

We had to design and conduct a survey on a topic of our choice. I forget exactly what my topic was.

Anyway, I was kind of busy with real courses that semester so I just made up all of the data. But I was smart enough to know what conclusions the professor would like. So I made sure my made-up data led to the right conclusion. I got a B. I would have gotten an A but I turned it in late.

You don't have to waste a lot of time selecting the right population or designing the questions to get the conclusion you want. Just make up the data! Nobody is going to check anyway. Not a Amherst or at The Nation.



Birkel said...

Hey everybody.

I am just a guy who lives in Obama's old neighborhood.

n.n said...

Is it me, a lowly deplorable? Am I not redeemable?

Shout out for color diversity.

Praise political congruence ("=").

Support redistributive change (i.e. minority capital and control) and the artificial green blight.

Sacrifice an unworthy, inconvenient, or profitable human offspring ("fetus", baby, whatever) at your community PP.

Social justice adventures (i.e. elective wars), mass abortion fields, Catastrophic Anthropogenic Immigration Reform (CAIR), trail of tears (a.k.a. refugee crisis), and righteous indignation... to secure natural resources, gerrymander the vote, welfare profits, and anti-native pogroms under a layer of press privacy.

Finally, purchase indulgences from the Pro-Choice Church, adhere to the twilight faith, and adopt the "secular" religious/moral philosophy of mortal gods who receive instructions from the twilight fringe and have only unreconciled intentions.

pacwest said...

But it's empirical evidence, so it's settled right? (Get me a pair of Air Jordans while your at it please).

Michael K said...

Anybody need new shoes?

Why don't rioters ever loot gun stores?


Why don't they ever steal work boots. Oh, I forgot. That's racist.

The Nation article; was that written after or before the annual Nation Russia cruise?

It just doesn't have the same zip as their Soviet Union cruises.

Michael K said...

You don't have to waste a lot of time selecting the right population or designing the questions to get the conclusion you want. Just make up the data! Nobody is going to check anyway. Not a Amherst or at The Nation.

Not at most Psychology departments either.

Drago said...

Rosie O'Donnell seems pretty angry.

And she's white....so I guess its all true.

langford peel said...

That reminds me they had that riot in Crown Heights and Crazy Eddie was able to keep their store safe by standing outside with job applications.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck seems pretty angry.

And he's clearly whitebread sandwiched between 2 slices of whitebread, so I guess its all true.

Robert Cook said...

""Screw it: if they're siding with Malcolm X's separatism over MLK's inclusion, so will we."

Except, before his assassination, Malcolm X was moving away from--or had renounced--black separatism, and the Reverend Elihah Muhammad. He left the Nation of Islam, partly due to his discovery of Elijah Muhammad's sexual improprieties...showing him to have strong and distinct ethics.

Drago said...

langford peel: "That reminds me they had that riot in Crown Heights and Crazy Eddie was able to keep their store safe by standing outside with job applications"

Job opportunities is the main reason why islamist supremacists kill people.

The obama administration said so, and if you don't believe them that's just racism. Straight up.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/state-department-spokeswoman-claims-jobs-are-key-to-defeating-isis

Well, job opportunities and global warming.

http://fortune.com/2015/12/05/terrorism-isis-climate-change-cop21/

Obviously.

Ron Burgundy voice: "It's science"......

We have much to learn from our totally not socialist don't you dare call us that democrat betters...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/385942-clinton-being-a-capitalist-probably-hurt-her-2016-election-prospects

LOL

Drago said...

Robert Cook: "Except, before his assassination, Malcolm X was moving away from--or had renounced--black separatism, and the Reverend Elihah Muhammad."

This is true. He got out into the greater world and found more complexity and nuance than he had allowed himself to consider prior to that.

Drago said...

The only remaining question now is how LLR Chuck will help drag noted whitey's Tester, Stabenow and McCaskill across the finish line.

It will be interesting to see how he and his lefty allies try to pull that one off.

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A pity.

bagoh20 said...
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langford peel said...

You see the job applications scared them away.

It was better than garlic for vampires.

Birkel said...

bagoh20,

Trump can be explained best by the equation

R + L = J < T

Drago said...

PPPT: "Gun control/reform is popular.."

Totally.

I would recommend a strong national campaign stressing more gun control.

I might even donate to that "popular" effort.....

I mean, how could I not? It's totally "popular". Like the logic of LLR Chuck.

And yes, I apologize for dropping LLR Chuck at your feet PPPT. You don't really deserve that and I'm sorry.

anti-de Sitter space said...

"The Nation's headline is bad. I'm only seeing reason to think people became more outwardly expressive."

As all Christians know, it's a love the sinner, hate the sin thing-y.

Like being a homo. It doesn't count against you until you start shoving yur dick in another dude's asshole.

As every good Christian knows.


Duh.


P.S.
The seculars say the same thing re a tree falling in the forest re the sound it makes. Sound works in mysterious ways, they say.

George said...

"Maybe the most hateful people keep it to themselves."

No, the most hateful people are the extreme left and the main stream media.

cubanbob said...

President Pee-Pee Tape said...
They let the gun manufacturers, Oxy-Contin manufacturers and factory food industrialists and chemical manufacturers do the job, cubanbob. Although you're right - those folks target any American, not just "leftists."

Like I said, lazy Hitler's. If they had but a modicum of work ethic and competence they would be at least as effective as Planned Parenthood and get taxpayers to pay in whole or in part.

AMDG said...

The SJW’s have been telling us that race, sexuality and gender should be the central organizing principle’s of one’s politics.

They should not be surprised when people (especially those who do not fell privileged take them at their word.

Achilles said...

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

Gun control/reform is popular, so you can't paint them all on that one, too.

Please run on gun control.

That needs to be the centerpiece of your 2018 election efforts.

And make sure to call everyone who disagrees with you racist. Repeatedly. Over and Over again.

Open borders, gun control, and calling everyone racist is a sure winner for you.

Achilles said...

The white people on CNN and MSNBC are frothing at the mouth. In the leftist bubble white people are pretty angry.

Birkel said...

As somebody who believes everything Ritmo/Brazilian/TTR types, I am strongly in favor of Democrats running on gun control, open borders, and increasing taxes.

Nancy Pelosi has my full support on Democrats running on those issues.

I figure that would flip 5 Senate seats and 20 House seats, giving Trump the mandate LLRs and Mueller have denied.

TestTube said...

On this subject, there is an event called BAHfest, or the The Festival of Bad Ad Hoc Hypotheses. The site is here:
http://bahfest.com/

Contestants strive to present the looniest pseudo-scientific theory. An example is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUw3s4evhTE

And the study Althouse references is sort of like this, but much less funny, and produced by people who really WANT to believe.

Anyway, enjoy the links.

Michael said...

Robert Cook
It appears some of the white residents of the very liberal upper west side are in a huff over the DeBlasio plan to fix education outcomes by shipping in sipome underperforming youths and shipping out some over performers.

Sad. Sometimes the revolution comes to you.

TestTube said...

Here is another good BAHFest lecture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh0XUZjRhO8

Michael K said...

"Crazy Eddie was able to keep their store safe by standing outside with job applications."

Work shoes are almost as effective,

Amadeus 48 said...

Alec Baldwin seems pretty angry. So does Elizabeth Warren. Eric Holder has a bug up his ass, too. And that Tom Steyer! Whew! That character from Univision--Jorge Ramos--he's a nutter. Joy Reid--ain't no joy in Joyville. George Takai hasn't been this angry since FDR threw his family in a concentration camp. Etc., etc.

I'd say Trump has done a pretty good job of riling up a broad cross-section of left-wing Americans of all races, creeds and colors. Who says he can't bring people together?

They need to cheer up. We're MAGA, baby.

Anonymous said...

So any "negative" comment by a test subject about a group was totted up as "hate."

Just like if I criticize any song by Beyoncé, I'm a racist.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

President Pee-Pee Tape,

I am amazed that you could write that when Alfie Evans is barely cold.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

Domestic Terrorist Achilles and Lazy Barstool Birkel are really running out of steam. At this point they sound like the tail-end ripple of a really long fart that's slowing down in frequency, but still has a couple vibrations left.

Why don't they run an ad of the MSD kids and put them behind crosshair targets? Can't they say what they really mean and show all the gun victimized kids that they'd like to shoot down? It seems that's what they're running on. That, and pricing the sick and indigent out of medical care.

At least they don't have an ideology, though. They just hate the poor, sick and vulnerable. Which is funny given how poor Achilles is and how empty a social life Birkel has and how tenuous his mental health is.

Birkel, how well do you think the word "hermit" describes you? Maybe Achilles can get you out of your basement and into the backwoods. You could even run around together shooting things. It would be a wanna-be survivalist's feel-good story of the year. Fantasize about the government going after both of you losers together. The outdoor conservative hermit and the indoor conservative hermit come together - the story of how two losers became best buds.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

You'll have lots more Evanses in America now that you've defunded their care, Thomson.

I don't agree with the NHS decision and think their model's far from the best, but if there was anything that could have saved the kid's life it would have been done. There's nothing in America that would have worked for him that they couldn't try there, but it's nice hearing from strange medical ignoramuses like you who chime in about a non-issue just because Trump made a stupid, demagogic noise about it - as a way to shift the discussion from what Jimmy Kimmel stuck up for and what the Republicans made it a point to de-fund. That's tens of millions of folks, lots of Alfie Evanses. But I get it, you only care about one. The one that Trump said some bullshit about.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

PPPT,

I think the Republicans are pro-assisted suicide. They don't mind getting big business to assist in the mass suicides of many Americans.

There aren't "mass suicides" in the US. There never have been. There are indeed a lot of suicides, sure, and the effective ones generally involve guns -- they are a hefty proportion of "gun violence" -- but they generally kill only the shooter and whoever he (it's almost always a he) decides to kill first.

Men use guns. Women use pills, and ordinarily flub that. I think it was Christina Hoff Sommers who wrote (after a UUAW article saying that women were more likely to try to kill themselves than men, while mentioning parenthetically that more men actually died) that men were five times more likely to kill themselves than women.

The only mass suicide I can remember in the US was the Heaven's Gate cult, a couple of decades ago. Before that, Jonestown, which of course wasn't in the US.

Earnest Prole said...

Except, before his assassination, Malcolm X was moving away from--or had renounced--black separatism, and the Reverend Elihah Muhammad.

Black radical separatists aren't so keen on that version of Malcolm X.

narciso said...

This is a really smart fellow:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43974078

Yes the dept of education, the broward county schools the sheriff's dept And the fbi out a bullseye on them.

narciso said...

True but his branch of the nation of Islam turned out more wahhabis whereas Farrakhans was more Arab nationalist, due to Libyan finding.

Michael K said...

I see the human scroll button is up.

narciso said...

Speaking of stark raving:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=375095

narciso said...

The other thread has a break downn about the conduit for the dossier Daniel Jones who wrote the misnamed Senate report on interrogation

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

PPPT,

Listen to me. Alfie Evans' parents had gotten him Italian citizenship. There were Italian doctors eager to work on his case. The NHS first cut off his oxygen, then argued that the flight might damage his health, so forbade the family leaving the country. A country where the absence of oxygen was guaranteed to damage his health. As it did. To the death.

I haven't heard a word that Trump has said about Evans, incidentally.

but if there was anything that could have saved the kid's life it would have been done.

This is self-evidently untrue. As I've said before, sending the child to another state would have cost the NHS exactly zero. There was the possibility of life-saving treatment, and the certainty that the UK wouldn't allow it.

narciso said...

They have a health system crafted out of the sick twisted mind of George Bernard Shaw, death panels anyone?

narciso said...

It's a rather wretched affair specially when contrasted with the celebration over Prince louis

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walter said...

With every momentary PPPT apex, a lengthy nadir follows...

Billy Hill said...

Michelle Dulak Thomson, they took Alfie Evans off life support, expecting him to die without it in a few hours. When he refused to cooperate, they withheld food and water for more than 36 hours. We will never know if he could have been helped in Italy, but they were at least willing to try. That's the exact opposite of the approach taken by his own government, and anybody who says otherwise is either delusional or a liar. And for the record, if Donald Trump even mentioned this case either before or after Alfie Evans passed away, I'm unaware of it. But nothing that he might say either for or against would change my rapidly declining opinion of the British government.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...
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President Pee-Pee Tape said...

There aren't "mass suicides" in the US.

Except by policy. Suicide, aforethought - as it were.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

A country where the absence of oxygen was guaranteed to damage his health. As it did. To the death.

Now it's time for you to listen to me. As I said, I disagreed with the NHS decision. I don't endorse/agree with the NHS system in general. But if you think there's a medical way possible to reverse a brain that became a vegetable, then you might as well be a creationist.

This is self-evidently untrue. As I've said before, sending the child to another state would have cost the NHS exactly zero. There was the possibility of life-saving treatment...

The "possibility" of reversing vegetable-brain is nil. If you want to tend a garden, try that instead. Lots of vegetables you can keep in there - and at zero to little cost. But you need to stop pretending that that's a great reason to kill off a lot of Americans by pricing them out of the insurance market. Only a ninny believes that the kid you're talking about has anything to do with why you should pull the plug on that many Americans. But ACA-haters long since lost any sense of rhyme or reason for what they say. They're stuck in the 2009 Sarah Palin "criticism" and can't update any opinion as to what's actually at stake. You looking to "pull the plug" on CHP kids who need Medicare, too? Sounds like it.

hombre said...

The kid didn’t have “vegetable brain” when he went in, only after “ treatment.” But thanks, Doc ppp. It’s always enlightening to hear from the professionals.

hombre said...

PPPT WROTE: “But ACA-haters long since lost any sense of rhyme or reason for what they say.“

Really? So noticing that the huge increases in health insurance premiums in Arizona, my state, and elsewhere, can be tied to Obamacare makes us ACA haters just as noticing that illegals from Mexico commit a disproportionate number of crimes makes us racists.

Very sound thinking. Do carry on.

gadfly said...

Trump is giving respondents tacit permission to be bigots.

In my case, I am bigoted against Donald Trump for a million reasons but I didn't seek his permission, tacit or otherwise, first.

And with profound apologies to the late Andy Griffith (God rest his soul): I don’t know, friends, to this day what he is a-doin’ there, but I have studied about it. I think it was that it’s some kindly of a contest with hisself, where he can take other peoples money and do his insultin' without gettin’ knocked down or steppin’ in somethin’.

PB said...

BS. trump is exposing the left as racists, anti-semites, and bigots.

PB said...

Folks, this is what self-loathing looks like. You are so disgusted with yourself or your failures that you strike out wildly to shift blame and make yourself feel better.

Bad Lieutenant said...

MDT said: I haven't heard a word that Trump has said about Evans, incidentally.


I seem to recall President, or was it Candidate Trump, stepping in on the Charlie Gard issue which was very like this. With the same result. When England wants to kill a baby they kill a baby good. So I guess he stopped wasting his time. He's got a country to run, he can't watch every foreign sparrow fall.

Bad Lieutenant said...

gadfly said...
Trump is giving respondents tacit permission to be bigots.

In my case, I am bigoted against Donald Trump for a million reasons

Because you want to seem stupid and ugly? What is it with the biggest jerks on the web picking Greek statues as their avatars?

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

It's an old dream of censors that if people are never exposed to certain words and ideas, they never have bad thoughts; conversely, as soon as one asshole is permitted to shoot his mouth off, a fascist movement begins to grow. It's a short stretch for intellectuals to think their words are all-powerful: I have to get this piece published in the Nation in order to save ... well, the nation. Leaders probably follow opinion more than they lead or shape it.

Narayanan Subramanian said...

How do the numbers break if marked D or R?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

If you are not on the "left" you are hateful, according to the haters on the left.

Molly said...

I think this is Trump's "infamous Mexican rapists speech".

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best," Trump said on June 16 [2015] when announcing his candidacy for president. "They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they’re telling us what we’re getting."

Michael said...

Molly

And, again, Mexicans are not a race.

MadTownGuy said...

I wonder what would happen if somebody would run the list of hate incidents from the studies against this database: Fake Hate Crimes.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Every time I think that it is over the top to advocate for the helicopter provided death of leftists, along comes Bitchmo to remind me just how prudent a policy that would be.

What a better world it would be with Alfie Evans alive and Bitchmo just a splatter on the ground.

Herb Bitman said...

If there is, at all, a rise in White Identity (hateful seems to be a default judgment by liberals) it has more to do with the Left's increase in identity tribalism than with Trump. Trump is the natural result of an identity movement created by the Left to push everyone into tribes based on their ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation. Whites are the bad guys - the group that the most self-identified groups are eschewing as evil. This forces some white people to feel that they have to choose the tribe they belong to. It's the opposite of the E Pluribus Unum this country was founded on. It's no longer "Out of many, one", it's "Out of one, Many" and it's pitting factions against each other and ripping this country apart. Trump isn't the cause - he's the product of this movement.

Sam L. said...

I'm guessing it's white Democrats getting more hateful.

Char Char Binks said...

“People aren’t always sure what the norms are in terms of what’s OK and what’s not OK to say,”

People like Shaffner think it's better to be a lying weasel and a pussy who won't speak his mind unless others approve.

Also, Trump didn't say of Mexicans "they're rapists". He said they were sending "their rapists". Undoubtedly, some of "their" rapists have crossed the line.

CJ said...

I'll cop to being more hateful toward the Left. They have shown their true colors with the Antifadda attacks and their commentators all over media calling for me and my family to be genocided/attacked.

I've definitely become more hateful toward the Left because I now understand what they plan to do to us, and it scares me.

I haven't ever been racist or said a cross word to anyone of any color unless they deserved it, and I've certainly never said a racist thing to anyone, ever.

Actually, having typed that out - I'm more fearful than hateful. I don't hate the Left, I'm scared to death of what they will do to me when they retake power.

Jim at said...

Yeah. It's Trump who's making white people more hateful.

The guy who spent eight years shitting on 'typical white people' had nothing to do with it.

Jim at said...

"Trump has been better than I thought by a long ways."

Consider the source.
- Cookie

No. Consider the alternative.

Rusty said...


"What a better world it would be with Alfie Evans alive and Bitchmo just a splatter on the ground."

Poor little guy. At least when he was alive he stood a chance. Now there is no chance. And the ritmos of the world revel in the progress. The same tired sixties radical leftism that has become..............tiresome. Someone elsde always has to sacrifice . Never the left.

President Pee-Pee Tape said...

The kid didn’t have “vegetable brain” when he went in, only after “ treatment.” But thanks, Doc ppp. It’s always enlightening to hear from the professionals.

Do "professionals" allege malpractice without any evidence... just because?

I can see now why you had to retire.

Martin said...

Trump isn't a racist and he doesn't say racist things---what he does, which the PC police cannot stand, is tell their targets that you don't have to just roll over and take their insults. Because if the victims of PC ever start talking back and regain some self-confidence, the game is up. THAT is the biggest threat out there.

These days I find myself frequently remembering what Harry Truman said when asked about him "giving 'em hell." He said, "I just tell the truth and they think it's hell."

That's Trump, on this kind of stuff. Yes, he gets small, inconsequential stuff wrong and then doubles down, which feeds the meme that he lies, which is true on trivial things. He does have an ego problem and I think sometimes he hurts himself. But on the big stuff, he often says what others know to be true but haven't dared to say.

Robert Cook said...

"No. Consider the alternative."

Yep...equally awful. That's why I voted for someone other than either of the two major party candidates, (as I have for 20 years). Every four years Americans are given a choice between Shitty 1 and Shitty 2...which is no choice at all.

Robert Cook said...

"Actually, having typed that out - I'm more fearful than hateful. I don't hate the Left, I'm scared to death of what they will do to me when they retake power."

"Retake power?" WTF?! When have "the left" ever been in power in this country?

(The Dems are not "the Left," bub. They're the slightly-less-right wing of the American Uniparty.)